VW ID4 v Tesla Model S 3 X v Audi E-Tron v Hyundai Kona v Kia E-Niro Range efficiency and charging
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Taking a selection of family sized Electric Vehicles on a comparison convoy. A true side by side test of efficiency, range and charging speed.
VW ID.4 first edition (not max)
Audi Etron 55 Quattro
Tesla Model 3 Long Range, S85 and X X75D
Hyundai Kona
Kia e-Nero
How fast can they recharge to get home race?
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Recharged to get home;
1st. 7 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR
2nd. 16 minutes - Audi e-tron 55
3rd. 16 minutes - Kyundai Kona
4th. 19 minutes - Kia e-Nero
5th. 19 minutes - VW ID4
6th. 44 minutes - X75D
7th. 57 minutes - 2014 Tesla S85
Recharged to replenish ALL used.
1st. 27 minutes - Audi Etron 55
2nd. 35 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR
3rd. c. 48 minutes - VW ID4
4th. 60 minutes - Hyundai Kona
The rest didn’t quite replenish. Too slow/had to leave etc.
Kia e-Nero stopped after 60 minutes at 92%
Model X stopped after 54 minutes at 91%
S85 stopped after 57 minute at 84%
Most expensive car to refill: etron £14.98 to charge to 100%
(I spent more in the shop 😂💁♂️)
The Tesla can draw more power at a superchargers than at these pumps vou did mention it but it is important to note
@@alanrickett2537
That's only if they're working.
Cost to recharge, to cover energy Christchurch to Gridserve 159miles.
Outbound trip typically done at home on off peak power, so around 25% of the following costs.
Gridserve currently charge 24p/Kwh
Kona - 33.28kWh used = £7.99 (64kWh useable battery)
M3 - 34.79kWh used = £8.34 (71kWh useable battery estimated)
Niro - 35.20kWh used = £8.44 (64kWh useable battery)
ID.4 - 44.66kWh used = £10.71 (77kWh useable battery)
MS - 47.90kWh used = £11.49 (76kWh useable battery estimated)
MX - 52.548kWh used = £12.61 (71kWh useable battery estimated)
eTron - 56.95kWh used = £13.67 (85kWh useable battery)
Tesla Model 3 LR: 4.76 miles / kWh. 324 miles theoretical range.
Hyundai Kona: 4.7 miles / kWh. 306 miles theoretical range
Kia Niro: 4.3 miles / kWh. 289 miles theoretical range
Volkswagen ID4: 3.6 miles / kWh. 274 miles theoretical range
Audi eTron: 2.9 miles / kWh. 237 miles theoretical range.
Tesla model X 75: 3.17 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range
Tesla Model S85: 3.46 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range
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@£15 it's not much cheaper than running a Q7 diesel.
Take a long time to recoup the premium paid for the EV.
@@Robert-cu9bm true, but at home using off peak tariffs, it'd be a lot less, typically 5p/kw, so only 20% of the above prices, for the outbound trip.
RICHARD, that was the best pragmatic, fact based overview. Excellent Job. It should become legendary in the assessment of current EV options. Very well done. I watched on tv, but came online to comment. Thank You. Your business deserves to continue to prosper. The right pitch at the right time in an evolving market of confusion.
Yes, I agree. Its pitched at the correct level for most people, and his subject matter and content is different to most channels.
Thank you! We learn each time. Will continue to do more and improve!
@@RSEV It's really great to see a truthful apple-to-apples test. A range test taken on the same day with all the vehicles together, and no crazy stuff like climate control off, as after all the automatic climate control is a big part of a vehicle's efficiency!
Great job.
@@RSEV have you tried a similar thing in an SR+ model 3? How much different are they efficiency wise to the LR?
@@jonathansmith5850 sr+ more efficient. Have managed 220 miles in one. Could go further with more effort.
Thank you all. That was the best most helpful review/test I’ve ever seen. Your honesty,knowledge and enthusiasm shine through. Very informative and helpful.
A++! You and your team at RSymons always produce AMAZING video content! I look forward to watching new uploads. Thank you for your passion, enthusiasm, and attention to detail you give to the EV community! 👍🌟
Great test! Thanks to all of you for your efforts spending a day helping us make sense of EV charging. 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
This is what ive been looking for in testing. Thank you.
This has to be the most practical and informational video I have seen about using an EV in the real world. Brilliant stuff. I can now see a possible place for an ID4 in my life based on price vs living with one.
That really was a great real world example, thanks Richard, I've seen a number of your videos now and love your style and down to earth'ness sir! It validates my choice even more now, my lovely Red LR Model 3 arrives in November (hopefully!) and given the results shown in this video I've made the right choice! It would have got home first, and cost the least to recharge, just what I wanted 😃
Great result for almost all cars. I am super happy with my Tesla Model 3 LR from 2021. Best car I ever had and I can really recommend it.
Glad to hear it, I'm buying one within the next 6 months. You got the Performance Upgrade?
@@MrGamingCookie no. Maybe, but I think its plenty fast already.
Good to hear. How do you find getting in and out of a low saloon seating position? (I have a bad back).
I got the standard and regret not getting the long range !! Tempted to upgrade
@@oceanfroggie I have the M3 Performance and I'm pretty tall, so I have my seat very low. I do use the easy-entry profile though, which lifts my seat up and forward as soon as I put the car in park. Don't know if that'll help with your back, but it does make getting in and out a bit easier.
Go for a test-drive and check it out if you can. It's free.
Just so you know, I think the ionity chargers have two formats for different battery types. If your battery is on a 400V architecture, the maximum it can deliver is 150kw. It's limited to like 350amps as far as I remember.
Therefore ANY car (every Tesla uses 400v batteries) with a 400v architecture, the maximum speed an ionity charger can give is 150kw ie: 400v X 350 amps= 140kw. Why? This is because the amperage is limited to ~350amps. The cables can't take anymore. The reason Tesla V3 superchargers can take more amps is because those are specially designed cables with liquid cooling so that the cables don't overheat and melt.
If you want Tesla's 250kw V3 chargers, they are the fastest way to charge a Tesla because they can deliver more amps. 400v X 600 amps = 240kw
The only time those ionity chargers can deliver 350kw is when the car has a 800v architecture. Think Porsche Taycan. Because 800v X 400amps = 320kw. HOWEVER, here's the caveat, Porsche suddenly dropped the 350kw from their marketing when they realised they couldn't provide it. It was maxed out at 270kw which is funnily enough 800v X 350 amps= 280kw.
Note: the amperage again capping out 350amps because the cables can't take more irrespective of 400v or 800v architecture
Note 2: volts X amps = power. That formula explains It all.
Yep, with superchargers even the older x and s would be charging at over 100. This test is stupid and I guess it was to promote the etron. Model 3 would probably charge at 250 easily with v3.
CCS 2 Standart allows up to 500 A charging so ~200 kW on a 400 V System
Tesla model 3 is 350V and charges at 250kwh, model S is 400V and charges at 190kwh. The cooling method is more important than voltage
@@odisy64 kwh...you can kick out the h, does not belong there.
and the original comment is correct, the limit with most chargers is amperage and he was talking about ionity chargers, you will only get around 140kw with teslas at most ionity chargers. The higher figures are only achieved on Tesla Superchargers V3. Not a matter of cooling.
@@tzarcoal1018 without proper cooling you aren't allowed to charge at high rates. Charging speeds are heavily dependent on factors such as cooling and battery type. How do you think the model 3 was able to achieve faster charging times than the model S and X despite those cars having larger more expensive batteries.
Really top video guys!👍. A great test. Nice to see the kona is still up there.
I’ve started hitting the like symbol before I watch your videos ! Excellent work brother .
Excellent video! You are really producing some very interesting and professional content now. Well done!
Thanks for another great video great test ! Well done 👍
Edmunds could learn quiet a lot from that test setup instead of comparing cars with 20° difference in temperature :D
Eh? Confused. How different are these results from Edmunds?
@@Ashes3123 The results really aren't what matters or what I'm talking about, but (thought that was obvious) the test setup which is what allows conclusions to be made for the customer.
I can’t believe I first saw your video 3 years ago. The cars and figures are still relevant. 😊
Best electric review I've seen so far. Great work! 👍⚡⚡⚡💪
Thank you for making the video, very helpful info.
Richard love watching your tests, real life data well presented. Thanks
A superb episode. So much detail that is relevant and presented with enthusiasm. 👍
Great test, great test, great test....
As.....you constantly were humble enough to constantly relate battery charging rate to temperature, onboard software, preheat AND COST of amount of total charge.
All great cars, but showed that if you were time poor, say a 10-15 mins charge, and wanted cost efficiency, the Model 3 LR is clearly the best and next release getting better again and cost of ownership as good or better than anything competitive.
And second hand EV are going to be great value for money over the next ten years.
VERY USEFUL.....top test and report.
Terrific comparison, well done!
Excellent video and info! Certainly makes good sense to charge up to when the charge slows down then make another stop then doing a full charge depending on your trip length. Definitely makes you look at things differently than a gas car.
Nice video comparison and great to see them all compared so directly. One thing to note, the e-Niro is not just different in aerodynamics than the Kona Electric, the e-Niro is also a bigger car with a longer wheelbase, which has an impact on range.
What an excellent way to visualize the differences between the cars in regards to the consumption, range and charging! Very well presented too. 👌 (For anyone in the market for the e-tron quattro, please note that it is possible to lower the consumption and make it even more comfortable by choosing the 20, or even 19-inch wheels, which are both 255 wide, instead if these 21-inch 265 wide, non staggered.. 😬)
A very informative video for anyone considering an EV and, as pointed out, the data is as close to real world as you can get. Keep the great video content coming.
Thank you. ☺️
Great video and absolutely love all the stats (though needed my glasses on to read them at the end... lol...!)
That prolonged Audi charging rate is off the scale...! Amazing.
Let's just hope other EV manufacturers cotton on to the benefits of that.
You guys are rocking the content. I’d definitely consider you for a my next EV after my 28kWh IONIQ but at the moment that’s suiting our needs perfectly
That's the right test. Car and charge combination to set the travel time in perspective.
A lot of work put in for all of this. Great job eliminating all the variables from other tests I've seen. This was very helpful. The Model 3 is so efficient it's crazy.
Did you noticed that te Kona as te exact same efficiency (mi/kwh) as the Model 3? I think that makes it an even more impressive car given the price difference between them.
Really great work guys and thank you for putting this together. My takeaways are I am super impressed by the efficiency of the Hyundai as it actually matched the Model 3 - an excellent EV for the money it seems. Once again I'm a bit underwhelmed by the ID4 - its a ground up newly designed EV and its efficiency is only slightly better than a 7 year old Model S. I would have expected clear water between it and the old Tesla. Maybe its something VW can tweak with software revisions but its a surprise to me that its not better.
Great comparison, really good to see, we will be taking delivery of our Audi e tron in a couple of months, I didn’t realise the Audi charged so well back to full. Good to know on those longer journeys, can’t wait to take that bad boy out n about. Great vids keep em coming.
Congrats. I’m picking up my e-tron 55 Sportback next week! This video only confirmed that I made the right choice. You can just top up anytime and know you have to wait shortest of any EV. Plus you get the comfort and build quality of a true luxury car.
I am looking forward to a comparison with the KIA EV6 in autumn 2021
Richard thanks for uploading, maybee the most interesting EV test I have seen. New sub here! Please continue with tests like this. Would be amazing to see Ioniq 5 and Kia EV 6, I think the Hyundai brand is no 1 EV car maker now
You Are poor man. Cannt u see Porsche og Tesla?
I really like your videos and this one is sooo good. Thank you all guys, take all those cars and compare them side by side shows nicely how are EV getting better and better. Only thing I don't get.....why you charged up untill original percentage state? Every car has different consumption and size battery so one percent means totally different thing in each car. So obviously you have to charge big etron to 95% to cover distance that Model 3 covers on 65%. Only thing that really matters is distance charged per time in my opinion.
Great vlog and test. Really shows different performances to what’s important to a buyer. Never thought about charging times before. Very valid point. Thank u. (Trevor)
A fantastic test - and wonderful to see my old home town!
Your videos are great. All of them.
Excellent video, really enjoyed the cars and data
Great video, thank you!!
Awesome video, well done! 👏
This test makes so much sense. A very well designed comparison of seven vehicles. The viewer can be the judge based on which vehicle attributes are most important for their needs. I was impressed with the fast charging which offset running efficiency in several cases. My main takeaway was this video demonstrates that we have a large number of capable electric vehicles on the market today. A secondary takeaway was that it appears the operating support behind the UK charging system is more developed than the non Tesla systems in the US.
Great thorough tests!
Great video.. nice summary table stats at the end... I have Kia Niro EV (as it's called in 'the states')... Nice to see it's just slightly less efficient than its sibling Kona Electric.
Nice video without an overkill of information, brilliant promotion for EV's!!
So good, the top 5 are all about the same since after several hours of driving everyone needs a fifteen minute break anyway. And even in our gas car we always time leaving on long trips to align with our first meal so in an EV that covers the charging time.
Great video! Keep up the great work :)
Your videos are great. Very interesting to watch.
Thank you
Thanks for the Video. Interesting indeed.
Great vid, would be nice to see the actual cost / car for the trip, I feel people have a good understanding of the mpg implications of different cars but not miles/kw.
Thanks, another interesting vid.
Astonishing video, only 1 thing I wished you thought of is to include the numbers on the video while explaining, it would be much easier to pause and compare instead of replay multiple times the sections of the video. I am talking about the consumption before the charging process.
Was one of Richard's first comparison videos, delivery of data has been improved on his later videos.
This was great. Well done 👍
I wish you guys had your hands on a new Y. Soon!!
Thanks for the detailed explanation! I-Pace ev400 is missing, unfortunately.
Very informative video, great presentation of data. Thank you!
Thank you. Will work on more...
Great video but definitely invest into looking at how you could do on screen graphics and tables when you talk about the ranges, averages etc. Tricky to remember the first car when talking about the last.
Perfect. Thanks.
excellent video! Thank you so much! Like many people said/wrote already here in the comments, excellent test setup, great information through the actual physical comparison between the cars, in full view!
One thing I would be interesting in, but maybe I've overlooked that bit, is the weighed distribution of the cars relative to their battery size, translated to total cost at the charge station?
It feels though that the etron is the most advanced brute forcing its way to the number one spot, the long range is highly efficient with its energy, and on a day to day basis, to have a 7 minute charge is almost petrol time...
I wonder what the cost would be for a car with a smaller battery capacity, sans brute forcing, charging like the Kona or e-niro and given the fact they are smaller batteries, even though slower, have to refill less and due to their efficient motors their operating costs can be significantly lower? It still took "only" 20 or so minutes to recharge to get home (a full hour though to get fully replenished though, you'd do that at home I suppose).
On long journeys the etron would be your best, though most expensive, company to get you at your far away destination. The long range perhaps would offer slightly less frequent recharging requirements? Come and think of it, that might be a whole new strategy game to play with these cars, which tactic to use to get there first, and there being a 1500 mile trip for instance?
Thanks again mate, impressive stuff!
Really interesting video. Have yet to make the switch to EV's but a comparison like this with real world conditions certainly helps. Also encouraging to see the charging infrastructure improving, here's hoping companies like Gridserve are able to roll these out nationally which'd certainly make the switch to EV more appealing for me personally. New subscriber based on this video alone. Keep up the great work!
Make the change you wont regret it.
@@rodden1953 It'll take a lot to get me out of my B9 S4, but excited to see the offerings to coax me and others in the months and years to come. Approached Audi a few months ago regarding a used, competitively priced e-tron 55 but sadly couldn't make the numbers work. Still looking and I'm sure there'll be something one day.
These videos just keep getting better 👍
Thank you ☺️
Great video, keep up the good work! 👍🏼
Thanks!
Great comparison, really detailed info at the end.
Would be really interesting to have the battery size, car weight, cost when new and add the beyond zero buffer as this differs between manufacturers.
Comparing the efficiency to the weight would be interesting to see if that is always the contributing factor.
Excellent presentation. Well done to all involved. A good level of detail without being too geeky about it 👍
Thanks ☺️. Still things we can do better but learning and improving and we’ll continue to do more if that’s what people wants
@@RSEV Absolutely. You have the EV experience to cover a lot of the finer details that journalists either don't know about or don't want to focus on, so your videos tend to be well balanced. Although I can tell you love the etron! 😉 I love mine too!
excellent video, subscribed
Given some people are asking nearly as much for an old Model S as you would pay for a new Kona I don't see the old Tesla as great value as a used EV. Shame you didn't have a Model 3 SR+ on the trip, it's the more commonly available small Tesla and it would have been interesting to see where it fitted in the group.
great work team
Thanks! 🤝🎬
Edmunds should take note on how to actually compare EVs. Same route, same speed, same day.
Most excellent video!
Great video a lot of time and effort went into that for sure. Impressive how fast etron charges. I know some might moan saying “ EV charge quicker so better to do small stops” but we still stick out model 3 on a 50kw if we stop over lunch as feeding a 7 year old lol the car charges too quick 😂
All very interesting, however I suspect that most users would use home charging overnight to top up the battery rather than a public charger when time and expense is not an issue.
Use the public chargers to go to 60-80% or enough to get to a final destination charger.
Great episode.. would like EQC in the mix . Do worry Audi aggressive charge curve may resukt in degradation?
This was a great video, thank yoiu
Cheers for kind comment 🤝
Here from carwow, love this channel!
Cool thanks and welcome. We do what we can around or during our daily work so far from professional but we try to have fun and inform
Great work! Haha, obviously the Nissan Leaf is out of this one. 😆 You can see the improvements in battery technology throughout the years.
Thanks for lending carwow your Tesla ❤️
In my ID.3 user manual it says to not use fast charge on a daily basis and to also not charge over 80% unless it's really necessary. All of this considerably reduces the battery life on the long term.
Isn't 10% of 50, 5 meaning 55%? Seriously, great video again Richard, becoming quite a fan of your stuff. I have a Model Y on order and am seriously looking forward to it.
A fantastic report. Tesla’s Supercharger network and ability to pre warm or cool the battery pack to optimise charging speed on a longer journey is hugely advantageous and in the wider world very little known. Roll on Richards Model Y long term test!
The best video on EVs in youtube period.
Thanks for lending Mat the cars Richard.
Just subscribed from watching this video. Really enjoyed it. The e-tron charges like an absolute beast, but I have often wondered what the long term cell degradation might be like on the e-tron, compared to other slower charging EV’s.
Since there is a buffer of about 13kwh...I don't think anyone will see a decrease within the first 8 years ans more...the buffer will hide it
Great test and very fair. I really liked the test that charged to enough to get back. The reality is that I and most people would charge back up to 90% and have some lunch or a coffee etc, so the Audi for me would work better as a long range car due its faster charging speed and lack of tapering. Of course the Audi and Porsche for that matter, use the same architecture and have a buffer in the battery to prevent degradation at fast charging speeds. Cannot wait for more Gridserve centres to open up this year.
Did you charge the Teslas at ionity ? Just to put into perspective another run with just one more recent Model S/X with SC (v3 preferred) would be nice to understand whether that makes a difference.
I think this might be the best FULL EV car channel
Previously owned a Model X, and currently own a Model 3 and Model Y. At SC stations, I've never seen such low kW at those SOCs. Just odd to me that it would be so much less at these stations.
Another really helpful video, especially as I am about to make the jump from a 2016 BMW 520d to (probably) an ID.4 for BiK reasons. Thanks guys - I'm feeling more confident with switching, thanks to these long-range tests you're doing ;-) !
Be interested to see how the current pence per kWh compares now with the recent increased electricity costs. I've owned a tesla and it has lots of positives but my major concern with every EV is the ever increasing cost at home which is often multiplied at stations.
Very interesting, I wonder if the Audi might suffer from accelerated degradation charging so much faster. With the usual caveats of rapid charging being only occasional and the larger buffer it has.
This is an excellent test, but it would be much better if you compare the same cars but all brand new or at least all the same year, to get a better idea who is the best.
I have been watching the ev market for a couple of years now. Looks like I will be pressing the button on a Kona Premium with the 64kwh battery. This suits our needs really well. It might not look the greatest but when you are inside you don't have to look at it! 🤣
Great program. Very good to compare this way. Please add more lists an graphs during the video creating even more value. Just subscribed. Great quality to watch on my 80" 4K TV. Sound also is great. Thank you.
Cheers. Trying to improve each time. 🤝
Excellent comparison video, it shows once again how good Tesla is, but that others aren't so far behind. So 350 kW chargers are still at 24p/kWh? Way to go Gridserve then! we need more of these throughout the country.
It also shows how terrible the old Teslas are and why they had to fully refresh them.
@@Psi-Storm The only reason why we have the 'new' Teslas is because the old ones were popular, bought. Even to this day, they're still pretty efficient and competitive, although not top level anymore.
Was there any reason the iPace wasn’t in the test. Would be far more similar to the Etron and model 3
From a price and performance point of view. Would have been really interesting to see how it would have stacked up.
Good video none the less
Excellent comparison, good to know ups and downs of each car. It would be nice to know how much did it cost to charge in pens per mile driven.
And Kia driver apparently cannot park the car in the dedicates space.
Excellent stuff thumbsup! 👍 Would be great to see Model 3 SR+ included in future tests, this model is so often overlooked. Thanks.
Will do. I don’t get press cars so it’s literally what I happen to have in stock at the time etc. (Or who is happy to volunteer their time/car to help!)
We’ll keep them coming...
@@RSEV sure understood. Thanks I can imagine it’s quite a job to organise. The end result was definitely worth the effort though.
It really shows how much of a bargain the Model 3 actually is, you get dual motors, great accelleration, you get long range and quick charging.
One thing to remember is that the Model 3 both charges quickly, as well as it goes far. And it does so with a smaller battery than most of its competitors in the same range bracket and that also means its cheaper to charge.
On top of that, you get the supercharger network, where it charges even quicker than in this test.
And also with the supercharger network, you can just drive entire europe without knowing the languages and different charging networks everywhere, so I drove from Norway to Denmark and Germany, no issues whatsover, you just plug the car in a supercharger and its ready :-) (the trip was before Korona should be noted!).
Would you recommend buying a used Model 3 long range as we cannot afford a new one so it would be about 2020 Model Year - We had preordered a brand new Renault Captur Etech Engineered at 29,500 GBP but its been delayed twice now - my only concern is extended warranty and repairs as the Renault (Due to us ordering it late December has a 5 year / 100k warranty) and a Tesla Model 3 would already be at 30 - 40k miles for a similar price.
@@RobertDodge did you check if Tesla stocks inventory vehicles? Then you might have extended warranty too.
If you get a heatpump Model 3 it will go further per charge, but even the older ones go quite far on a charge.
Yesterday charged an SR3+ at 150+kw up to 40%. 170 miles in 25 mins. Not bad for a 40k car.
RSymons: Start your engines!
Engines:
Tumbleweed...
To me the id4 looks like a really good all round family car. Decent range, practical, lots of space, reasonably affordable and VW build quality. Think VW will have trouble making enough of them to keep up with orders.
Nope they made too many and aren’t selling. Lol 😂
i more think that the vw cars have a bit of a worry with people still unsure since there was a lot of software problems this has people on edge.
and that many people still suffer from work problem and with covid issue returning in eu may have put people off buying
Good video , if I had the money it would be a choice of either the model 3 or the kia, shame the model Y not in the UK yet