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Mizuno JPX921 Forged vs Ping G425
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มี.ค. 2021
- Mizuno JPX921 Forged vs Ping G425 last in the mini series comparing the G425 vs the JPX921 range. Allowing you guys to get an understanding of which iron would probably best work for you.
Two very different Feeling irons and normally suited for Golfers at differing points within the handicap range.
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Great comparison here and I loved how you threw in the HM pro to further compare, those 2 brands are exactly what I love and are what are in my bag with Ping G410 driver and JPX 919 Forged irons.
Great comparison Jay! Would’ve liked to see Ping i210 vs. JPX 921 Forged.. think this is a better head to head based on the handicap level each club is designed for which is low to maybe mid (scratch to maybe 10 handicap) and besides these are the 2 I’ll be going to compare next year when i go for my custom fit. Also, The G425 is more geared for a mid to high handicap player, although I wouldn’t mind giving them a try
All things being equal, does Ping get the nod because of the hydro Pearl finish and the better wet spin retention?? This might be might my deciding factor between the two
I currently game a set of Ping G700s and they behave very well for me. (mostly) I've also kept my set of Mizuno Comp EZ from 1999 because I loved the feel and sound of them.
Wow Dave EZ.... Going back in the day 😊
Extremely thorough! Thanks so much.
Glad it was helpful! 👍
I went from the ping g irons to the 921 forged. Loved them but struggled with the 4 and 5 irons. Traded them in for the 425’s.
Much easier to hit for me.
Nice review. It would be nice to see your comparison of the Wilson Staff CB and the Mizuno 921 Forged. Wilson seems to be the low cost Underdog of forged clubs right now, and they follow a traditional loft across the irons. I'm also very curious which of the two is more forgiving.
Great review, I love both clubs I have a set of JPX-EZ's that replaced a set of Ping Zing iorns, the one thing I do like with the Pings I have is there is no forgiveness and you must learn to hit the ball properly. For pure fun and enjoyment the JPX are amazing. I am going to the 425s now to work on my stopping power, the JPX just seem to overshoot a bit much. Will I keep my JPX's you bet great guest set and still enjoyable.
Love the content! How would you say the JPX 921 Forged lines up and compares to the Ping i525?
Watched this the other day just to confirm the JPX forged were the way to go… with the 923 release the 921 price has fallen massively making them a BARGAIN. Beautiful clubs too. Great review 👏🏼👏🏼
Dude I just hit mine for the first time today. Buttah. Picked em up on sale for $850 couldn’t pass it up
@@JamminWithJer £500 for me
Any chance the 3124 spin on the 425 was a misread by the launch monitor. 7 mil high isn’t great but I don’t think it’s 3000 less rpm bad. I only ask because I recently went on Trackman and occasionally the spin number would appear in an italicized font. The fitter told me that was a misread in spin and the different font indicates that number was estimated.
HM Pro looks to be the winner overall 💪
thanks Jason nobody can say your videos not in depth! WOW love all this data I think feel is most important to me but my miss is toe side?
Both these will work then Mark, the other HM and HM Pro models are also very good off the toe if not even better. The HM Pro though takes it in the looks stakes and would also be a good option for a blended set with the JPX921 Forged.
Great content. Thanks for sharing :)
My pleasure, although it took me ages to edit, should have less graphics on screen and it wouldn't take no where near as long 😊
I would like to see a comparison between the 425 and i500.
Hi Graeme, wow they are 2 different irons, it'd be like the G425 up against the MP20 HMB. Possibly a bridge too far from a comparison standpoint. But if there is enough call for it I'm happy to oblige 👍
@@AskGolfNut i game the i500, but you will see that on the 13th of April anyway..!!
Love the Mizuno irons
They do make some great golf clubs. The Hot Metal Pro is my favourite overall of the JPX921 range for balancing looks, feel and performance.
These are always excellent reviews. One question: have you considered bending lofts to make them all equal? The data would then be truly comparable.
May be so but then golfers never play them at those lofts so trying to get the most common lofts used within a certain iron set is generally why we always test them at that number. 👍
Good point, well made though 👍
@@AskGolfNut Well if you're not comparing apples to apples, then why compare two models at all? I don't understand why people request comparisons of iron models when they don't have the same loft/length specs. Maybe you could try one video where you bent lofts to be the same and see what your viewer response is. Just a thought. Keep up the good work. I particularly like the mishit data - gives a great idea of real world results.
But the Srixon ZX4. Phenomenal
I enjoyed that 👍🏻
I’ve got 921 forged and agree they feel nice.
Have you done any data gathering on blade forgiveness? Ie When you have done videos that show the diagrams with 100% middle of face, 95% low toes etc.
I saw one on HMB, Forged, HM but would be interested in MP20 or equivalent.
I ask because of a video recently of Mark Crossfield swinging left handed with a blade and a GI iron. Surprising results!
Hi David, to be honest anyone who understands truly the dynamics of loft and forgiveness within that context wasn't surprised. Remember that most of the things you hear by manufacturers and TH-camrs is marketing..... Loft trumps everything, strike is the most important thing and loft for loft game improvement irons aren't much if any different to Blades. Only assist in launch when loft comes off 👍👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for your reply.
Why do you not have the club face efficiency with the images of the face and the percentages? You did it on some of your other comparisons which were great.
Hi Philip, it's because due to UK lockdown, I'm the only ones to have hit the clubs. To give an accurate understanding of how the club face works I need a variety of speeds, face to path angles and strikes. Until I'm able to have multiple datasets it would unfair to Ping to give potentially either overly rewarding or overly critical results based on incomplete data.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
If you hit hard, generate a lot of club-head speed be careful buying the new hollow Pings 425's.
I've seen half a dozen fellas crack theirs clean through the face ... was amazed to see this - gob smacked actually! Not a club for hard hitters. I
considered buying my new set in the Pings but after a few sim try's, and real grass hits while being watched by the pro at my club driving range trying both out (I also looked at the new Srixons).
I was advised not to buy the Pings by 4 pro/fitters as I'd have a chance to crack them. I bought the Mizuno forged 921"s with stiff shafts, and they are a superb club for my mid handicap (14). Great feel great distances being achieved great sound great quality great control and forgiving.
Hi Philip thanks for the comment. Personally I haven't seen any failures to date from anyone I've coached of fitted although in comparison to the World I understand my sample is tiny. In that though are some 120+ mph swingers ..... Maybe isolated but always keen to know any potential disturbing trends... If this was the concern though there are a few manufacturers who would have gone out of business already 😊
@@AskGolfNut yes mate I’m sure the failures were few. Ping is such a top notch brand. I too was very sceptical when shown the cracked clubs. It was too, from about 5 fitter/repairers so that would equate to thousands of sets sold by them in Australia so that’s few fails. I said to the pros that surely these guys hit something other than a ball or must by extremely strong to do this to a club. Some said they swung hard ie 120 plus speed others said same as me at around 105 110.
It’ll be interesting as this newer club gets some time behind it to see if we see anymore denting and cracking. They’re beautiful clubs for sure and I had my heart set on them too. But after hitting a few brands as I mentioned the Miz’s were so good and a bit cheaper too. I do use the ping 425 max drivers in my set and they’re superb dogs. Enjoy your clear logical analyses reviews. I’m watching your tutorials too and they’re helping. Next time I’m in the old dart I’ll message you👍
Quick question or two. If slicers (strong faders :) close the face enough, would you also need to aim right? Another idea which I will test next time, you did a video for seniors where you told them to put the right foot backwards to aid the backswing. If strong faders did this it would make it harder to swing out to in and force them (us) to swing straight. Yes/No?
Thanks, keep up the great work!
Hi Roger, technically you are correct. In my coaching, depending on the consistency of the golfer at being able to deliver the technically slightly out to in "wrong" path, I would actively encourage them to understand the potential of them aiming for their miss. If they are hugely out to in or in to out then I would suggest to work on a change of path as it would be quite daft to aim 15 degrees right or left 😊
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hi, thanks for that. As we're talking irons, I'm 57 and suffer from lower back pain and at the moment sciatica as well. When striking ahead of the ball the body movement forwards to move the low point involves bending the right knee which is painful with sciatica at full swing speeds. Question is this, rather than translating left to hit after the ball, can you move the ball backwards and strike from a neutral position as you would if hitting a long iron off a short tee? It would allow you a measure of control over the distance you hit after the ball and I assume the mechanics of the two would be almost identical. Cheers.
Good series of reviews - thanks.... I have MP18 SC and want to move to JPX for a bit more help with the longer irons.
Would you blend from Tour in the PW, 9.... 8 & 7 in the Forged then 6 & 5 in the HM Pro? What impact on the clubs is there when you start adjusting loft weaker to blend them in ? (The lofts in each set don’t flow so you may have two 7 irons or two 6 irons unless you adjust loft through a fit). So many questions but can’t get a fitting just now obviously. Cheers
Hi FordF, if you look on my channel I have a video called something like 'Most Aggressive Blended Set Possible' where I have a total JPX921 range in one bag in if I remember correctly the exact specs you are looking for 👍
No comparison Mizuno is in its own class .
Couldn't possibly comment through fear of seeming biased 😁
The Mizunos if you're a sweeper. The Ping if you're a digger.
I am truly a digger...greens keepers fear me LOL
So hot metal pro is more forgiving than forged? I thought it was the other way around?... which is the most forgiving out of all three models is another question I got. And great videos by the way
The HM would be the most forgiving, then tied between the G425 and HM Pro and finally the Forged.
Thanks for the kind feedback 👍
@@AskGolfNut g425 is more forgiving than HotM
Great reviews on these! I'm thinking about getting the g425s and getting the g425 crossover as my 4 iron. Would the crossover be more forgiving than the regular 4 iron? What do you think? Thanks
The Crossover would definitely be much more forgiving than the standard G425 4 iron. It's designed solely in mind for that one purpose where the 4 iron has to blend with the rest of the set.
The Crossover is quite large and always has been. If you like seeing lots of club by the ball then the Crossover will be the one for you 👍
@@AskGolfNut thank you souch for the info, im currently playing jpx850 forged and looking for a little more forgiveness and maybe a few extra yards, my strike miss is usually on the toe side of the face so I think the 425s would be a good choice
Also the HM and HM Pro have the same toe biased help equally as good as the G425 so I'd suggest if possible giving them both a test 👍
Not a good comparison should be Hot Metal not Forged both are different with feel. I play JPX hot metal and compared to 425 steel.Great comparison because not accurate when u test a metal with a forged big differences
Couldn't agree more Wayne, that's why I said the very same thing during the start of the video. I have done the video you suggested very recently so by all means go back on the video list and watch that one.... Hope I didn't get a dislike 😊😊👍
Must admit just don’t like the forged , look too long in the blade, I also prefer the look of hot metal pro in the mid to longer clubs
Mizuno are just beautiful
Couldn't comment through fear of sounding biased 😊
How accurate does the GC quad estimate the L and R off line compared to what you are seeing with the ball flight?
We've done fun tests in the past where we put a poor guinea pig out on the range and fire balls at them and shout when quad says bang on........ Inevitably they have to move out of the way 😀
Cut a long story short, if you take away atmospherics.... Do it on a windless day.... The Quad is pin point. It was one of the reasons why I'm using one over a trackman 👍
Thoughts on a Jpx 921 Forged combination with Hot Metal Pro? ... 4 and 5 HMP and 6-PW/GW Forged?
Hi Chris in my set of JPX921 that I used to showcase modern day blending I had JPX Fli Hi for a 4iron, HM Pro in 5 and 6, Forged in 7 and 8, Tour in 9, PW and GW.
As long as you spend the time in getting the lofts correct then they can be a great set makeup 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks, Great feedback! I definitely need to get into a fitter this spring
Hmm Im noticing quite a bit of difference between the 921 forged in this video and the MMC comparison video in terms of lower spin spin and more distance. Why do you think that is? Just swinging differently that day? What am I missing?
Completely that Kenny, that's why it's so so important to compare or test on the same day as us humans perform differently every time we wake up 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for answering. My issue is I play the jpx 900 tour. I love them but I don’t play as much so I thought I’d go forged 921 for more forgiveness. I had a few swings last night and it’s a 10+ yard difference.(7i) I hit a high draw just to see how far I could get it to go and it was a 190 yard carry. Any suggestion on what I should demo for similar forgiveness but not as strong a loft? Everyone loves distance but I’m used to my 7i going 170 with a regular swing. 180-185 seems so far for a 7i!
How about weakened off MP20 HMBs. Forgiving, with the feel easily equal to the Forged but able to bring the distance back to being sensible 👍
@@AskGolfNut ok I’ll check it out. I have a 2i hmb now. It doesn’t love my miss but I’ll try the standard irons and see how it goes. Thank you, good sir.
Is your miss on the toe side?
Where would p790 sit in between this test?
The P790 would sit between the MP20 HMB and the I500. The Players Distance bracket 👍
Which out of the 4 had the softest feel?
Definitely the Forged feels the softest 👍
Why does the Chromoly stop at the 7 iron?
Basically after the 7i the loft gets to a point where deflection doesn't allow the Chromoly to work in its desired way. Face technologies work best with lower lofts, and as a result you don't get a sudden drop off when moving from one face technology to another at those lofts 👍
@@AskGolfNut Okay, understandable but then there must be a gapping issue between the thin face technology of the 7 iron to the standard face on the 8 iron, it could be as much as 15-20 yards. I play these clubs and the chromoly face does carry a long way
PXG 0211’s vs G425??
Just need to get hold of the PXGs 👍
why tf are you comparing these 2??
Because I genuinely had a lot of people requesting it.
Sigh.........Commenting before watching