Ive been watching the vidoes of Moe Norman and instruction fr Todd. Today was the first I had a chance to go to the range AND IT WAS AMAZING. I'm 68 yrs young & didnt take up the game til 40. I had 5 yrs off due to 3 back surgeries( fusion). I didnt think I'd ever play again . But when I swung the club it was like Moe said "SO SIMPLE "!! The ball when right where i was aiming with more distance. Thank you Todd for teaching this!!
Played my first 18 holes after the Academy in Tempe. Score was 92 on a cold blustery. Great score for me(100) has been the usual for past ten years. The real difference was that I actually felt some control over the round. Now, I understand you real golfers will say, and I appreciate it, “ How can you feel in control at sixteen over par?”. It was some control where’s there had been little or no control and I am seventy.
I was striking the ball very inconsistently. I was trying different techniques and at one point I couldn’t hit the ball straight. I kept getting recommended videos from TH-cam about Moe Norman. I started to watch them. I loved listening to Moe and his antidotes but never thought I could totally change my golf swing. I have a garage with a net to hit into. I set my stance as close to Moe’s and pure’d the first ball I hit and 80 percent of the next balls. The other 20 percent were well stuck and went straight. My swing is 70 percent Moe’s and 30 percent my own. I’ve always had difficulty hitting my long irons and now I hit them without any distress. I feel just as Moe has said that the club balances me. The single plane golf swing makes my golf swing so simplistic. I only think about my grip, my set up, bringing the club back and firing at the ball. I hope to meet Moe in heaven so I can thank him for changing my life.
Heres a Moe secret . On your down swing make sure the butt of the club goes to your belt buckle and pivots from there .Tremendous speed and you will hit great straight shots . Took me a long time to work this out but now what a difference .
I think your explanations about Moe's method are very accurate. I was lucky enough to see Moe do his flawless clinic up close in Ontario a few times. One thing that helped me finally get the timing right was my neck. If you look at Moe his head is really dug in to his shoulders. His ears are at the top of his shoulders. I always had my head up, with stress in my neck muscles, once I just relaxed my neck and let my head drop into my shoulders like Moe, then I could stay light and relaxed in my shoulders even at the top. Mow was always a bit cryptic and I really think the Turtlenecks were telling us something. I do the turtleneck set up and it finally clicked. Also you have to watch the video Todd does on Moe's grip, that is mandatory viewing.
Moe really keeps his upper right arm connected to his torso. It comes off very slightly at the top, but it returns on the downswing. It limits the length of his backswing somewhat, but it really keeps the club close to the same plane. I see a bit of this upper right arm connection in some of the pros who are considered to have short backswings: JB Holmes, John Rahm and Tony Finau.
I love this video. Moe dispelled the teaching myth of the 1980's that the shaft should be parallel to the ground and pointing at the target at the top of the backswing. Very few people can pull that one off. Moe's swing is really good for Seniors who also enjoy food as Moe obviously did. (LOL)
My first round after 30 days swinging in my dining room was an 84. Missed an ace by an inch twice in one swing. Putted for eagle pin high on a 510 yd par 5, but left it 9 feet short for a 3 putt. Chipped one in from 65 ft down side hill on the 18th. All with my father in law on his home course. The previous two rounds were 106 and 107. I'm looking for a 70 this summer, which sounds absurd somewhat, but I think it could happen. Thank you Moe, Todd and Tim.
The only thing I disagree with here is your initial line drawn through Moes shoulders making them open. You have it going through the right center shoulder through the left scapula or left shoulder blade. That makes his shoulders look much more open than they are. He is much more parallel than that line.
I've measured the shoulders with a sensor on the torso. Drawing lines doesn't show the torso position. Yes, the torso is open at address. The shoulders appear closed but the front of the arms is not the torso. The torso is open.
I've been doing Moe's swing for about a month. Saw a video of my old swing last night. Oh man, I'll never go back. I used to be a 7 index. Looking forward to see what happens. I'm doing some shots now on golf course and I'm like, "Man, I've never done that before", or my consistency to the green is much better. And I'm just getting started with this. Thanks Todd. I hope to meet you some day.
Hey mike. Been doing moe for 20 yrs. Just make sure when you start your down swing to pull with the left side as much as you push with the right. When you do that your arms and hands will rotate as they should. When you finish your elbows will point to your target
Watch wrists on the right video. The down swing on the leading arm is dominating (pulling) then once he twists his wrists on impact, then the trailing arm becomes dominant and leads on top.
This showed how important set up is which allows the inward turn to be achieved with great ease and simplicity. i was influenced by this video and improved my backswing / played a few holes this pm and was v pleased with a much smoother backswing
Excellent video. I've never seen Moe from above. However, I'm going to nit-pick in good spirit: Moe has turned his shoulders *more* than 90 degrees. If he's stopped his turn at 2:14 he would be 90 degrees. But he turned beyond/past that point, which makes his rotation greater than 90.
Nice job.. Great video... Only thing I wish we could see Moe's entire unstopped swing all the way thru (view from above).. To see what it looks like.. Then go into the breakdown.
hi, was looking at Moe swing, and with him standing farther away from the ball, and arms extended, would he need more flatter lie of clubs? I saw from another video that he used thicker grips. I think the concept of his swing is awesome.
The first line drawn through his shoulders isn't even close to correct. The big thing I get from this view is how he is set up with his weight on the back foot, and how early he shifts his weight to his front foot before starting his arms down. This is likely why he gets away with setting up so far behind the ball, I'm betting if you could measure that forward motion pre downswing it would be the same as the distance he is set up behind the ball. If he set up close to the ball with that forward weight shift he would hit it thin every time. It's a sway eliminator. He sets up where you would sway to.
Your second line of his shoulder is not in line , Not sure what you are drawing but his shoulders ball joint to joint is parallel to his target line . I saw Moe in a seminar say he swung under him self , not around my self .
Scapula line (between) Points left of the target. The front of the arms shoulders, points right of the target. The shoulders do not point at the target address. It’s not based on the lines I drew based on the data I’ve taken measuring the body with 3-D measurements.
It looks like a traditional classic swing to me. Right side bias, full hip turn on the backswing (with left heel detachment), free release, and a full finish. Looks a bit like Hogan to me, but the few idiosyncrasies, like extended arms, wide stance, club behind the ball (which was a natural response to the right bias) and his finish (which makes no difference because the ball is long gone) are just that, unique to him based on comfort and personal build. But you can see the leg drive, the inside takeaway, free hip turn, flat trail heel through the ball (one massive reason he was so accurate) and free release of the clubhead indicate to me that this is rather traditional (1930s-1950s style swinging). I'm not sure his idiosyncrasies are there for any particular purpose, as Nicklaus, Hogan, and Nelson had their styles, and people tried to imitate that, rather than their fundamentals. Really traditional here imo, I'm not seeing the style as being relevant to his fundamentals.
You should watch the Down the Line View of Moe and you see the Single Plane Position, different than 99 percent of golfers and the Main reason for his genius.
I am not sold that this is Moe in the top view frame! If it is, this was far from his standard set up! Shoulders are far too open and the trail arm is out of position! Moe advocated that his lead shoulder was already in his swing, in other words closed to the line in relation to the trail shoulder! Where do you see this in the top view frame?? Or am I totally wrong??
Garth. HIs shoulders are closed at address where his right shoulder is into his turn as he described however, his torso is open. There is a difference between the TORSO position and the SHOULDER position since they are not the same. This is where many get confused thinking that the shoulders are closed whereby they are simply the arms in front of the torso which is rotated slightly open.
@@garthdownton8645 Moe was smart enough to know when you get older those hips do not turn and fire like young men/women...plus those slightly open hips at address can help an older person get through the ball.....100% different then Tiger Woods hips firing....
The hips do not need to fire like younger people attempt to do! I am 62 , if had known at 22 how to swing as I do today I would be scratch on any course! Even with serious health issues at my age I can make a golf ball squeal! I hit the further and straighter today then at any other time! Firing the hips has zero to do with my swing! Correct hip sequence to allow firing to occur, yes! It is everything!
Ok. Well, if you lower the hand, you lower the shoulder. When you lower the shoulder you tilt. When you tilt (sideband) the torso opens. So you are correct, the tilt of his body opens the shoulders.
Forgive me but I’ve never heard of a Sandy Andy. Is that the equivalent of a sand wedge? And was approach wedges available in mows time? If so did he use one? I’m seeing if I can leave mine out of the bag or should I keep it in. Thanks for your time sir.
Love Moe videos. He had a specific intention with his ball and made it happen. Never really had any issue figuring out biomechanics. We’ve had its explanation for decades, haven’t we? (Homer Kelley) Be careful about warning people off about pursuing knowledge because some may have trouble explaining it. Doing so enables lazy people who want rationalizations to avoid responsibility for their swings. Moe was anything but lazy. Let’s honor his memory by boycotting golf lessons, shall we?
This is funny because I took a playing lesson from a single plane instructor that worked with Natural Golf years ago....he said Moe was shown a video of his swing, like this that showed his rotation, and Moe Said " that is not me, I swing like a pendulum" He told Moe, no Moe you have rotation in your swing....Moe still said that was not him in the video??? Moe could hit a ball straighter then anyone but he could not tell you why....
It's not unusual that Moe couldn't explain his swing. Most superior performers can not explain their ability because it has become so innate that the feelings do not match the reality. What Moe felt and what he actually did were very different which is why proper analysis is necessary if you plan on modeling his movement.
@@ToddGravesGolf Thank you for reply...I was one who used Graves DVD's and training aids to learn this swing...I did go out and take a couple lessons from a gentleman that actually worked for you and "Natural Golf" many great stories....I was very happy with the results as he was able to adjust my understanding of this swing from what I "Thought I learned from the DVD's" very minor tweaks... I am in my 70's so did not expect to reach that single did-get... I can tell you we did find I had to strengthen the left hand grip (right handed) as I had played years that way and just could not square the club face with the "Graves" model grip....I have shared your book and recommended your programs and training aids to many a partner who ask what the hell kinda of swing is that....4 hole in ones using "Garves Methods" in less then 2 years says it all.....wish I would have learned this when I was starting out 30 some years ago when I could hit the ball longer......
As some one who is self taught on the Moe Norman swing and then had over 100 lesson on the conventional swing I can say that I get what Moe is saying . I don't feel like I am rotating compared to a coventional swing where I feel like I am really twisting .I just feel like i am sliding laterally .
The putters I last saw him play with were C-Grove Putter that was shaped like a Ping Answer. It looked like this www.golfgrinder.com/news/equipment/yes-golf-re-introduces-c-groove-putters/
He had a brass center shafted putter . It kind of looked like a discus if you cut it in half ( not as big obviously ) with the shaft inserted dead center of it .
@@ToddGravesGolf you're the first person I've heard mention the yes c groove putters! I've had mine for years and absolutely love it. I use the tiffany which may be a newer mode since wasn't listed in the link. Just cool that someone else has heard of c groove
@@ToddGravesGolf ...people's comments about Moe's swing...about rotation of the club. anytime something moves from a pivot point....it causes rotation. The club is swung in a circular motion...rotation.
that's because its a video of Moe, shot from a Cherry Picker 30 years ago. I didn't shoot the video. Is there any better video of Moe overhead that you know of?
You are not, mo normal, you are not Ben hogan, you are not Sam Snead, you are not Bobby Jones, you are not, jack, you are not, Arnold, you are not tiger. How about, going to your local, golf place and find a certified teaching pro? Find who you are, your brain knows what to do . Seriously, I bet you look at this dudes videos, and you got hit balls and play and after 9 you already messing up bad, you know why? This are bandages, you want to learn take real lessons, from real pga teaching pros, not some dude who think he knows what mo was feeling, that is just stupid, no one knows what you are feeling.
Well. Hard for me to understand the vitriol of so many sad people on TH-cam however, From what I can tell, You are one of the reason TH-cam exists, so people with no experience can have an opinion. No I am not Moe Norman but I am Todd Graves, who teaches Moe Norman's swing because I understand it better than anyone on earth. Thanks for your opinion, but you might do a little research and learn that I have been teaching for longer than most of pros that teach in your local golf shops, on the golf channel or wherever you think they exist. Good luck with your conventional swing.
Dude, his shoulders are not open at the address based on this video. He even starts his address a foot or so behind the ball which would make his shoulders parallel or closed at address.
Dude. As I have mentioned many times, Shoulders (Front of the Arms) and Shoulder Blades are very different. In this video I am discussing SHOULDER Blades.
Thank god for whoever had the foresight to film Moe from this angle before he passed away. That was quick thinking
Ive been watching the vidoes of Moe Norman and instruction fr Todd.
Today was the first I had a chance to go to the range AND IT WAS AMAZING. I'm 68 yrs young & didnt take up the game til 40. I had 5 yrs off due to 3 back surgeries( fusion). I didnt think I'd ever play again .
But when I swung the club it was like Moe said "SO SIMPLE "!! The ball when right where i was aiming with more distance.
Thank you Todd for teaching this!!
Played my first 18 holes after the Academy in Tempe. Score was 92 on a cold blustery. Great score for me(100) has been the usual for past ten years. The real difference was that I actually felt some control over the round. Now, I understand you real golfers will say, and I appreciate it, “ How can you feel in control at sixteen over par?”. It was some control where’s there had been little or no control and I am seventy.
I was striking the ball very inconsistently. I was trying different techniques and at one point I couldn’t hit the ball straight. I kept getting recommended videos from TH-cam about Moe Norman. I started to watch them. I loved listening to Moe and his antidotes but never thought I could totally change my golf swing. I have a garage with a net to hit into. I set my stance as close to Moe’s and pure’d the first ball I hit and 80 percent of the next balls. The other 20 percent were well stuck and went straight. My swing is 70 percent Moe’s and 30 percent my own. I’ve always had difficulty hitting my long irons and now I hit them without any distress. I feel just as Moe has said that the club balances me. The single plane golf swing makes my golf swing so simplistic. I only think about my grip, my set up, bringing the club back and firing at the ball. I hope to meet Moe in heaven so I can thank him for changing my life.
Heres a Moe secret . On your down swing make sure the butt of the club goes to your belt buckle and pivots from there .Tremendous speed and you will hit great straight shots . Took me a long time to work this out but now what a difference .
You will achieve this if you use your legs in the right way / make sure the butt of the club etc is meaningless / how do you achieve this?
I think your explanations about Moe's method are very accurate. I was lucky enough to see Moe do his flawless clinic up close in Ontario a few times. One thing that helped me finally get the timing right was my neck. If you look at Moe his head is really dug in to his shoulders. His ears are at the top of his shoulders. I always had my head up, with stress in my neck muscles, once I just relaxed my neck and let my head drop into my shoulders like Moe, then I could stay light and relaxed in my shoulders even at the top. Mow was always a bit cryptic and I really think the Turtlenecks were telling us something. I do the turtleneck set up and it finally clicked. Also you have to watch the video Todd does on Moe's grip, that is mandatory viewing.
Moe really keeps his upper right arm connected to his torso. It comes off very slightly at the top, but it returns on the downswing. It limits the length of his backswing somewhat, but it really keeps the club close to the same plane. I see a bit of this upper right arm connection in some of the pros who are considered to have short backswings: JB Holmes, John Rahm and Tony Finau.
You nailed it Jim. I tried this on the golf course and it works.
I love this video. Moe dispelled the teaching myth of the 1980's that the shaft should be parallel to the ground and pointing at the target at the top of the backswing. Very few people can pull that one off. Moe's swing is really good for Seniors who also enjoy food as Moe obviously did. (LOL)
Moe's position at the top in the right frame is superb, just fantastic!
My first round after 30 days swinging in my dining room was an 84. Missed an ace by an inch twice in one swing. Putted for eagle pin high on a 510 yd par 5, but left it 9 feet short for a 3 putt. Chipped one in from 65 ft down side hill on the 18th. All with my father in law on his home course. The previous two rounds were 106 and 107. I'm looking for a 70 this summer, which sounds absurd somewhat, but I think it could happen. Thank you Moe, Todd and Tim.
The only thing I disagree with here is your initial line drawn through Moes shoulders making them open. You have it going through the right center shoulder through the left scapula or left shoulder blade. That makes his shoulders look much more open than they are. He is much more parallel than that line.
Agree, from what I've learnt/read. Square setup and clubhead 12 inches behind ball will automatically put shoulders into a closed position.
I've measured the shoulders with a sensor on the torso. Drawing lines doesn't show the torso position. Yes, the torso is open at address. The shoulders appear closed but the front of the arms is not the torso. The torso is open.
@@PaulGPhotography The torso is open (shoulder blades). The front of the arms is pointing to the right (closed).
A good analysis of Moe's swing as performed in this video! He was a crafty character!
I've been doing Moe's swing for about a month. Saw a video of my old swing last night. Oh man, I'll never go back. I used to be a 7 index. Looking forward to see what happens. I'm doing some shots now on golf course and I'm like, "Man, I've never done that before", or my consistency to the green is much better. And I'm just getting started with this.
Thanks Todd. I hope to meet you some day.
Hey mike. Been doing moe for 20 yrs. Just make sure when you start your down swing to pull with the left side as much as you push with the right. When you do that your arms and hands will rotate as they should. When you finish your elbows will point to your target
Watch wrists on the right video. The down swing on the leading arm is dominating (pulling) then once he twists his wrists on impact, then the trailing arm becomes dominant and leads on top.
This showed how important set up is which allows the inward turn to be achieved with great ease and simplicity. i was influenced by this video and improved my backswing / played a few holes this pm and was v pleased with a much smoother backswing
Excellent video. I've never seen Moe from above. However, I'm going to nit-pick in good spirit: Moe has turned his shoulders *more* than 90 degrees. If he's stopped his turn at 2:14 he would be 90 degrees. But he turned beyond/past that point, which makes his rotation greater than 90.
Jake Mitchell true.
Great Moe Sir. Great movements.
Nice job.. Great video... Only thing I wish we could see Moe's entire unstopped swing all the way thru (view from above).. To see what it looks like.. Then go into the breakdown.
This is fantastic! Thank you!
I like the Moe style. It is only good for a few people who really appreciate how a good golf swing actually works.
Thanks for this great film!
That rotation looks like 100 degrees to me!
hi, was looking at Moe swing, and with him standing farther away from the ball, and arms extended, would he need more flatter lie of clubs? I saw from another video that he used thicker grips. I think the concept of his swing is awesome.
very good vid
Awesome explanation !!!
The first line drawn through his shoulders isn't even close to correct. The big thing I get from this view is how he is set up with his weight on the back foot, and how early he shifts his weight to his front foot before starting his arms down. This is likely why he gets away with setting up so far behind the ball, I'm betting if you could measure that forward motion pre downswing it would be the same as the distance he is set up behind the ball. If he set up close to the ball with that forward weight shift he would hit it thin every time. It's a sway eliminator. He sets up where you would sway to.
Actually, the line measures the shoulder blades, not the shoulders. When measured the shoulder blades are up to 20 degrees open at address.
How to know the torso angle, I only can see shoulders angle from the top
How the heck did he not hook or at least pull the ball with the ball that far forward in his stance?
Your second line of his shoulder is not in line , Not sure what you are drawing but his shoulders ball joint to joint is parallel to his target line . I saw Moe in a seminar say he swung under him self , not around my self .
Scapula line (between) Points left of the target. The front of the arms shoulders, points right of the target. The shoulders do not point at the target address. It’s not based on the lines I drew based on the data I’ve taken measuring the body with 3-D measurements.
Hola donde podría encontrar material en español de la técnica de Moe Norman?
Amazing
It looks like a traditional classic swing to me. Right side bias, full hip turn on the backswing (with left heel detachment), free release, and a full finish. Looks a bit like Hogan to me, but the few idiosyncrasies, like extended arms, wide stance, club behind the ball (which was a natural response to the right bias) and his finish (which makes no difference because the ball is long gone) are just that, unique to him based on comfort and personal build. But you can see the leg drive, the inside takeaway, free hip turn, flat trail heel through the ball (one massive reason he was so accurate) and free release of the clubhead indicate to me that this is rather traditional (1930s-1950s style swinging). I'm not sure his idiosyncrasies are there for any particular purpose, as Nicklaus, Hogan, and Nelson had their styles, and people tried to imitate that, rather than their fundamentals.
Really traditional here imo, I'm not seeing the style as being relevant to his fundamentals.
And mind you, his younger swing was much different to his older self. Much more athletic, simpler, and reflected Hogan in many regards.
You should watch the Down the Line View of Moe and you see the Single Plane Position, different than 99 percent of golfers and the Main reason for his genius.
Todd can you please do a video on and after the impact follow through because that's where I'm having problems
I keep pulling my shots left probly from trying to overcook it and add too much power
Showing exactly where the club should finish across and around would be priceless
In regards to balance
LovE MOE, A Great man.
What did mo win on the pga tour?
Todd the shoulders rotate more than 90 degrees.
He is in an open position but not as crazy as the red line. The red line is drawn from the right shoulder to the left hip.glute.
I am not sold that this is Moe in the top view frame! If it is, this was far from his standard set up! Shoulders are far too open and the trail arm is out of position! Moe advocated that his lead shoulder was already in his swing, in other words closed to the line in relation to the trail shoulder! Where do you see this in the top view frame?? Or am I totally wrong??
Garth. HIs shoulders are closed at address where his right shoulder is into his turn as he described however, his torso is open. There is a difference between the TORSO position and the SHOULDER position since they are not the same. This is where many get confused thinking that the shoulders are closed whereby they are simply the arms in front of the torso which is rotated slightly open.
Thanks for the reply. The set up I have is considerably different!
@@garthdownton8645 Moe was smart enough to know when you get older those hips do not turn and fire like young men/women...plus those slightly open hips at address can help an older person get through the ball.....100% different then Tiger Woods hips firing....
The hips do not need to fire like younger people attempt to do! I am 62 , if had known at 22 how to swing as I do today I would be scratch on any course! Even with serious health issues at my age I can make a golf ball squeal! I hit the further and straighter today then at any other time! Firing the hips has zero to do with my swing! Correct hip sequence to allow firing to occur, yes! It is everything!
That first red line you drew on his shoulders was so far off. Wow
Off of what?
Hi Todd - Moe’s Shoulders appear rotated because his right hand is lower than his left hand.
Ok. Well, if you lower the hand, you lower the shoulder. When you lower the shoulder you tilt. When you tilt (sideband) the torso opens. So you are correct, the tilt of his body opens the shoulders.
thanks
Go Moe.
shoulders are open but no where near that much, line is not in right place, they are only slightly open
Can any one tell me weather or not moe had a A wedge or gap wedge in his bag?
Crystal Davis Moe had a wedge, gap wedge and a Sandy Andy bunker club
Forgive me but I’ve never heard of a Sandy Andy. Is that the equivalent of a sand wedge? And was approach wedges available in mows time? If so did he use one? I’m seeing if I can leave mine out of the bag or should I keep it in. Thanks for your time sir.
I’m sorry mr. graves I meant lob wedge not gap. I know gap and A are the same
Notice how Moe's body is facing the ball on impact. I tried this at the golf course and the ball goes straight.
at 1:40 Im not so sure you know where the shoulders are..
I have measured every body part. The two dimensional graphics on the screen do not represent the 3D motion of the body.
Funny seeing the word 'Rotation and Moe Norman in the same sentence. Like oil and water.
All swings have rotation. How you start AND the amount and how you tilt and rotate is the secret to Moe's swing.
Love Moe videos. He had a specific intention with his ball and made it happen. Never really had any issue figuring out biomechanics. We’ve had its explanation for decades, haven’t we? (Homer Kelley) Be careful about warning people off about pursuing knowledge because some may have trouble explaining it. Doing so enables lazy people who want rationalizations to avoid responsibility for their swings. Moe was anything but lazy. Let’s honor his memory by boycotting golf lessons, shall we?
This is funny because I took a playing lesson from a single plane instructor that worked with Natural Golf years ago....he said Moe was shown a video of his swing, like this that showed his rotation, and Moe Said " that is not me, I swing like a pendulum" He told Moe, no Moe you have rotation in your swing....Moe still said that was not him in the video??? Moe could hit a ball straighter then anyone but he could not tell you why....
It's not unusual that Moe couldn't explain his swing. Most superior performers can not explain their ability because it has become so innate that the feelings do not match the reality. What Moe felt and what he actually did were very different which is why proper analysis is necessary if you plan on modeling his movement.
@@ToddGravesGolf Thank you for reply...I was one who used Graves DVD's and training aids to learn this swing...I did go out and take a couple lessons from a gentleman that actually worked for you and "Natural Golf" many great stories....I was very happy with the results as he was able to adjust my understanding of this swing from what I "Thought I learned from the DVD's" very minor tweaks... I am in my 70's so did not expect to reach that single did-get... I can tell you we did find I had to strengthen the left hand grip (right handed) as I had played years that way and just could not square the club face with the "Graves" model grip....I have shared your book and recommended your programs and training aids to many a partner who ask what the hell kinda of swing is that....4 hole in ones using "Garves Methods" in less then 2 years says it all.....wish I would have learned this when I was starting out 30 some years ago when I could hit the ball longer......
As some one who is self taught on the Moe Norman swing and then had over 100 lesson on the conventional swing I can say that I get what Moe is saying . I don't feel like I am rotating compared to a coventional swing where I feel like I am really twisting .I just feel like i am sliding laterally .
his shoulders clearly rotate
Todd
Did Moe ever have any putter head designs he favored?
The putters I last saw him play with were C-Grove Putter that was shaped like a Ping Answer. It looked like this www.golfgrinder.com/news/equipment/yes-golf-re-introduces-c-groove-putters/
He had a brass center shafted putter . It kind of looked like a discus if you cut it in half ( not as big obviously ) with the shaft inserted dead center of it .
@@ToddGravesGolf you're the first person I've heard mention the yes c groove putters! I've had mine for years and absolutely love it. I use the tiffany which may be a newer mode since wasn't listed in the link. Just cool that someone else has heard of c groove
No argument from me.
Djaikdid
Sorry, but you can't swing a golf club without having rotation...It is a thing called Physics.
Pike Evans what are you referring to?
@@ToddGravesGolf ...people's comments about Moe's swing...about rotation of the club. anytime something moves from a pivot point....it causes rotation. The club is swung in a circular motion...rotation.
That’s a terrible overhead view compared yo your other vids
that's because its a video of Moe, shot from a Cherry Picker 30 years ago. I didn't shoot the video. Is there any better video of Moe overhead that you know of?
@@ToddGravesGolf hahaha
You are not, mo normal, you are not Ben hogan, you are not Sam Snead, you are not Bobby Jones, you are not, jack, you are not, Arnold, you are not tiger.
How about, going to your local, golf place and find a certified teaching pro?
Find who you are, your brain knows what to do .
Seriously, I bet you look at this dudes videos, and you got hit balls and play and after 9 you already messing up bad, you know why?
This are bandages, you want to learn take real lessons, from real pga teaching pros, not some dude who think he knows what mo was feeling, that is just stupid, no one knows what you are feeling.
Well. Hard for me to understand the vitriol of so many sad people on TH-cam however, From what I can tell, You are one of the reason TH-cam exists, so people with no experience can have an opinion. No I am not Moe Norman but I am Todd Graves, who teaches Moe Norman's swing because I understand it better than anyone on earth. Thanks for your opinion, but you might do a little research and learn that I have been teaching for longer than most of pros that teach in your local golf shops, on the golf channel or wherever you think they exist. Good luck with your conventional swing.
Dude, his shoulders are not open at the address based on this video. He even starts his address a foot or so behind the ball which would make his shoulders parallel or closed at address.
Dude. As I have mentioned many times, Shoulders (Front of the Arms) and Shoulder Blades are very different. In this video I am discussing SHOULDER Blades.