I have been wanting something this in-depth for a while. This is so detailed and I fully understand and helps me understand more and more. You are an awesome teacher Keep these in depth videos coming!
Brilliant, I have adopted the same setup by trial and error, and watching many video’s of Moe! His exaggerated demonstrations of what he felt in the swing are priceless. Thank you for keeping his legacy alive.
Great stuff Todd! I always go back to the grip you showed in previous videos and the right hand hammer feel. For me, the driving a nail into a vertical board on the left side really helped me from coming over the top. In fact when coming over the top I never hit one left and had a big slice. When doing the hammer drill I quit coming over the top and started hitting draws......sometimes hooks lol. You do very good instructions that are easy to understand.
Todd, I used to control the elbow. It felt as if my shoulder was coming down but it wasn’t. Struggling the other day on the course, I slowed my swing down, concentrated on keeping both feet down past impact, and rotating down (internally). It “felt” as if I was rotating around my right leg being miles behind the ball through impact and that I was barely swinging the club. I parred the last two holes on the course in pouring rain. Thanks again for all you do for the game of golf!
Great video the visuals are terrific can 't wait to try it out a t the range! FYI if the elbow is sunny side up, the shoulder joint is externally rotated. I f you pronate the forearm like a topspin tennis forehand the shoulder would be internally rotating from an externally rotated starting position. Keep up the great work!
I do love the video and I tried what you speak of, but I must say that, when you talk about the Right arm, you are 100% describing and demonstrating an externally rotated shoulder and a supinated right forearm
You know what.. I don’t know why I strayed away from this method and tried to go back to traditional swing. I’ve been struggling ever since. Starting today I’m re-entering single plane swing and I’m going to keep with it. It just seems better and more consistent. Why would I want to swing any other way? And you are such a great teacher and one who PROVES his method right in front of us time and time again.
Great explanation Todd, been waiting for something a little more in depth on this subject from you , thanks very much , my game has improved so much from learning this swing. I'm hitting the ball further than I think I've ever hit it! Please come to the UK and provide us a school for a week !!!!
Yup, 100% spot on. The trail arm must maintain those angles at the elbow and wrist, otherwise all the power would be released too soon. Moe mentioned Ben Hogan several times, as they both had similar trail arm dynamics (late release). This type of late release uses the body rotation to square the clubhead more so than most other swings. Ben hated hooking the ball, so this was his anti-hook method, and Moe was similar in this regard. By today's standards, this is a throw back swing to a time gone by, but guess what? You'll be far more consistent and less injuries. You may give up a little yardage compared to today's hard push off the ground with the lead leg, but for me the fatigue factor is better. Excellent content!
Great lesson. 100% best way you have ever explained (without saying) the NON ROTATIONAL trail hand. I for one struggled many rounds hitting perfectly straight shots right of the green trying to force the trail hand to not rotate, holding it so solid the lead hand could not quite square up. It took a former Natural Golf instructor (and another $125) to have that pointed out to me.
Todd this wasn't to complicated . Can re-watch over & over . This is your best video to help over the toppers. It gives me a different mind set to shallowing the club .sunny side up & right elbow in near body are easy to concepts to remember.
Bought your book a year ago. I tried to copy it detail by detail to little success. Then I just adjusted the concepts to my needs and bingo. I appreciate you bringing the Moe single plane swing to the public. I went from a 12 handicap to a 3 in one year. Putting is the last monster I need to slay then after 10 years I will finally be a scratch golfer.
I'm new to single plane and my biggest issue is over the top shots. I can even see my toe dig in instead of a nice flat divot. As you say in the video, I try to feel more tilt and tuck my arm so I might be artificially fixing my issue. This video helps me to know what I really need to do to fix my over the top path.
Man Todd...Every Golfer Should Watch this Particular Video of your Fab series to the Mechanics of Squaring the Club face up to Impact.. And once you Understand this and put it into Practice They Will as I will Finally Hit Better and Better Golf Shots Using the Method you have shown in this Video.. Brilliant Series Todd Many thanks from an avid Uk Follower.
This is exactly what I needed to see and hear with my transition issues. I don't think you can get too detailed with the kinesiology of Moe's swing, but maybe that's just me. Can't wait to send in my next video!
Can’t wait to hit balls tomorrow. I have been following your process, but not gripping my right arm/hand in the position to lock in internal rotation of right forearm. Just took several swings inside and it feels locked in and POWERFUL. Thanks for the biomechaical details in this video.
Great video. This makes it so easy to return to the correct position at impact. Thanks for the detail. For me this is the missing piece that caused me to swing over the top
Fantastic description Todd! The opposing forearms and exaggerated lateral motion are main ingredients in keeping the club head square to target longer (Hogan also did both). There are many videos showing that Moe didn't keep the head square as long as he aspired to but even an inch more through the ball makes the difference between an average golfer and an extremely good golfer.
I think I asked that question a few months back about the elbow pits opposing each other. It's helped my takeaway and at transition it makes it almost impossible to come over the top. Thanks for clarifying it Todd. Great video.
Notice that his left shoulder lifts up slightly and then stabilizes at impact, essentially looking like that shoulder is the final pivot point. I was having some consistency issues until I focused on stabilizing at the shoulder just before impact. So far it’s given me much more consistent straight shots.
This is exactly what I do which may explain why I’m so accurate. I purposely tuck my right elbow into my side which results in a very short backswing, but extremely accurate.
interesting that when you demo in slow mo, your elbow is against the body but at full speed is isn't, and neither was Moe's. It's not abaout the elbow position, it's the position of the trail hand on the club, as you mention.
The club face in that still frame is so wide open, all the 3D/4D systems now show that every player that’s ever been any good are positive rotating the forearms on the way down, the forces applied to the club+gravity/centrifugal force/momentum, all balance out to get the proper positions every golfer wants
In an attempt to fix my own swing. What I’ve found is very similar to the way you explain the trail arm. Like skipping a rock across a pond. This does shallow the club, prevent over the top, and the trail hand bent back provides shaft lean, not flipping. I’ve been working on trying to get my weight on my front foot to get ball first contact on all shots from the ground. I noticed you promote both feet staying on the ground. How much weight distribution do you have on both feet at contact? Is there anything you think is wrong with my theory of weight forward to hit ball then ground, versus hitting behind the ball?
Watch the top of the right shoulder… it should not roll out but under without changing the spine as the left shoulder moves around and up… Todd, can you comment on the top of the shoulders? I follow you, Porzak and Chris Hudson… my swing is really progressing… I chose the technique that fits the lie…
I'm not sure if you answer this question but for all the people watching your video, "how many golf balls would a person need to hit in order to achieve even 50% of the movements explained in this video. You will definitely need to watch youself on video and slow it down to understand the pivitol points on each part of this golf swing. my best guess would be 10,000.
I actually don't recommend always hitting balls to learn motion. Like learning to dance, or play the piano, I would learn the positions and then the motion. Then add sequence and then hit balls. If you actually had the discipline to learn the swing in that order, it would reduce the time and number of balls needed. But most dont have the discipline to learn it correctly.
You got the trail arm internal/external crossed, making this a bit confusing to follow. Internal trail arm rotation is pronating/over the top and external is supinating/under. The first explanation at 2:17 is correct, but then you reverse the terms after that. Otherwise a great video!
I seem to believe that not having the tilt, it can lead to crappy swing results. When I set my tilt up, it feels really exaggerated. If I don't have that feel, then I can easily come over the top, and hit a crappy shot. When I have my tilt correctly, what I seem to see is keeping my lead arm over top of back swing, and on down swing, my lead arm remains on top of my right arm, with my trail arm staying below.(right handed)
you have it the exact opposite, internal and external of the trail arm. You need to fix it! and not delete my post just because you messed up. Plus from elbow down it's supination and pronation.
@jaydubeck3435 you're absolutely correct. He needs to review his anatomy. As someone who has a Kinesiology degree, this video is super confusing with all the wrong descriptions
My right arm (left hand swing) externally rotates 90 degrees past square no matter how I match your tilted setup posture, so my lead arm rotation rotates 180 degrees from internal to external. I must have more external rotation flexibility than you and others you are teaching? Actually I can rotate my right arm 270 degrees, 180 degrees internal rotation from club face square to ball and 90 more degrees past ball. So this requires perfect timing to have lead arm external rotation square at ball contact.
This is soooooooo unfair that you are giving away all of these awesome “secrets” to all these “I am new to single plane” golfers on here!! They should have had to have waited twenty years like us who are not new to single plane and have sat at your feet forever; life def ant fair!!! 😂
I have been wanting something this in-depth for a while. This is so detailed and I fully understand and helps me understand more and more.
You are an awesome teacher
Keep these in depth videos coming!
I’ve watched dozens of your videos and this one is the best I’ve seen yet. Fantastic insight to a topic many golfers don’t put enough emphasis on.
Creat breakdown Moe would be proud
Brilliant, I have adopted the same setup by trial and error, and watching many video’s of Moe! His exaggerated demonstrations of what he felt in the swing are priceless. Thank you for keeping his legacy alive.
Best explanation of sunny side up yet!
Great stuff Todd! I always go back to the grip you showed in previous videos and the right hand hammer feel. For me, the driving a nail into a vertical board on the left side really helped me from coming over the top. In fact when coming over the top I never hit one left and had a big slice. When doing the hammer drill I quit coming over the top and started hitting draws......sometimes hooks lol. You do very good instructions that are easy to understand.
Todd,
I used to control the elbow. It felt as if my shoulder was coming down but it wasn’t. Struggling the other day on the course, I slowed my swing down, concentrated on keeping both feet down past impact, and rotating down (internally). It “felt” as if I was rotating around my right leg being miles behind the ball through impact and that I was barely swinging the club. I parred the last two holes on the course in pouring rain. Thanks again for all you do for the game of golf!
Great video the visuals are terrific can 't wait to try it out a t the range! FYI if the elbow is sunny side up, the shoulder joint is externally rotated. I f you pronate the forearm like a topspin tennis forehand the shoulder would be internally rotating from an externally rotated starting position. Keep up the great work!
I was just going to add that as well. The trail arm is externally rotated and stays in this position but otherwise more excellent stuff!
I do love the video and I tried what you speak of, but I must say that, when you talk about the Right arm, you are 100% describing and demonstrating an externally rotated shoulder and a supinated right forearm
But I tried what you're saying and the results were fantastic
You know what.. I don’t know why I strayed away from this method and tried to go back to traditional swing. I’ve been struggling ever since.
Starting today I’m re-entering single plane swing and I’m going to keep with it. It just seems better and more consistent. Why would I want to swing any other way? And you are such a great teacher and one who PROVES his method right in front of us time and time again.
Great explanation Todd, been waiting for something a little more in depth on this subject from you , thanks very much , my game has improved so much from learning this swing. I'm hitting the ball further than I think I've ever hit it! Please come to the UK and provide us a school for a week !!!!
Yup, 100% spot on. The trail arm must maintain those angles at the elbow and wrist, otherwise all the power would be released too soon. Moe mentioned Ben Hogan several times, as they both had similar trail arm dynamics (late release). This type of late release uses the body rotation to square the clubhead more so than most other swings. Ben hated hooking the ball, so this was his anti-hook method, and Moe was similar in this regard. By today's standards, this is a throw back swing to a time gone by, but guess what? You'll be far more consistent and less injuries. You may give up a little yardage compared to today's hard push off the ground with the lead leg, but for me the fatigue factor is better. Excellent content!
You break down and explain things very well! Thank you!
Great lesson. 100% best way you have ever explained (without saying) the NON ROTATIONAL trail hand. I for one struggled many rounds hitting perfectly straight shots right of the green trying to force the trail hand to not rotate, holding it so solid the lead hand could not quite square up. It took a former Natural Golf instructor (and another $125) to have that pointed out to me.
I just love the detail. Every time I watch this something "else" just "clicks" - thanks. Keith Els
Very good stuff. More "Geek Out" education on the SP Moe swing please. I enjoy it so much.
Todd this wasn't to complicated . Can re-watch over & over . This is your best video to help over the toppers. It gives me a different mind set to shallowing the club .sunny side up & right elbow in near body are easy to concepts to remember.
Bought your book a year ago. I tried to copy it detail by detail to little success. Then I just adjusted the concepts to my needs and bingo. I appreciate you bringing the Moe single plane swing to the public. I went from a 12 handicap to a 3 in one year. Putting is the last monster I need to slay then after 10 years I will finally be a scratch golfer.
I'm new to single plane and my biggest issue is over the top shots. I can even see my toe dig in instead of a nice flat divot. As you say in the video, I try to feel more tilt and tuck my arm so I might be artificially fixing my issue. This video helps me to know what I really need to do to fix my over the top path.
Man Todd...Every Golfer Should Watch this Particular Video of your Fab series to the Mechanics of Squaring the Club face up to Impact.. And once you Understand this and put it into Practice They Will as I will Finally Hit Better and Better Golf Shots Using the Method you have shown in this Video.. Brilliant Series Todd Many thanks from an avid Uk Follower.
That's a great video, Todd. Brings a lot of clarity.
Fantastic video!! Thank you for explaining that. That has been a missing piece.
This is exactly what I needed to see and hear with my transition issues. I don't think you can get too detailed with the kinesiology of Moe's swing, but maybe that's just me. Can't wait to send in my next video!
Can’t wait to hit balls tomorrow. I have been following your process, but not gripping my right arm/hand in the position to lock in internal rotation of right forearm. Just took several swings inside and it feels locked in and POWERFUL. Thanks for the biomechaical details in this video.
Thank you! Been working on the trail arm position and this helps alot, great explanation!
Great video. This makes it so easy to return to the correct position at impact. Thanks for the detail. For me this is the missing piece that caused me to swing over the top
Fantastic description Todd! The opposing forearms and exaggerated lateral motion are main ingredients in keeping the club head square to target longer (Hogan also did both). There are many videos showing that Moe didn't keep the head square as long as he aspired to but even an inch more through the ball makes the difference between an average golfer and an extremely good golfer.
I think I asked that question a few months back about the elbow pits opposing each other. It's helped my takeaway and at transition it makes it almost impossible to come over the top. Thanks for clarifying it Todd. Great video.
I gave up for the last 2 x years. But I am now going to give this great advice ago. 👍 thanks 👍
Notice that his left shoulder lifts up slightly and then stabilizes at impact, essentially looking like that shoulder is the final pivot point. I was having some consistency issues until I focused on stabilizing at the shoulder just before impact. So far it’s given me much more consistent straight shots.
Good explanation of rotation
Great explanation
This is the lag move ! I’ve been working on . If you don’t have back hand proper impossible to hit longer clubs well and consistent
Thank you
Excellent
Omg! I went out and middled straight shots one after the other. Unbelievable! 😱🤯🤫😛
GOLD!!!!!!
This is exactly what I do which may explain why I’m so accurate. I purposely tuck my right elbow into my side which results in a very short backswing, but extremely accurate.
interesting that when you demo in slow mo, your elbow is against the body but at full speed is isn't, and neither was Moe's. It's not abaout the elbow position, it's the position of the trail hand on the club, as you mention.
I love it. "this is going to be complicated" so cinch up your jock strap" 😂😂
I wish you had someone here in San Antonio I really need to have my swing checked
We do that online every day. I coach 99% of my students remotely.
Excellent 👌🏽
The club face in that still frame is so wide open, all the 3D/4D systems now show that every player that’s ever been any good are positive rotating the forearms on the way down, the forces applied to the club+gravity/centrifugal force/momentum, all balance out to get the proper positions every golfer wants
Thanks!
In an attempt to fix my own swing. What I’ve found is very similar to the way you explain the trail arm. Like skipping a rock across a pond. This does shallow the club, prevent over the top, and the trail hand bent back provides shaft lean, not flipping. I’ve been working on trying to get my weight on my front foot to get ball first contact on all shots from the ground. I noticed you promote both feet staying on the ground. How much weight distribution do you have on both feet at contact? Is there anything you think is wrong with my theory of weight forward to hit ball then ground, versus hitting behind the ball?
Awesome tip as always but I couldn't help but get bothered by saying the trail arm stays "internally rotated" when it's actually in external rotation
Not crazy! 👍🏼
Gr8 stuff
Do you ever experience both elbow aches especially at the tennis ball area?
Amazeballs
Watch the top of the right shoulder… it should not roll out but under without changing the spine as the left shoulder moves around and up… Todd, can you comment on the top of the shoulders? I follow you, Porzak and Chris Hudson… my swing is really progressing… I chose the technique that fits the lie…
I'm not sure if you answer this question but for all the people watching your video, "how many golf balls would a person need to hit in order to achieve even 50% of the movements explained in this video. You will definitely need to watch youself on video and slow it down to understand the pivitol points on each part of this golf swing. my best guess would be 10,000.
I actually don't recommend always hitting balls to learn motion. Like learning to dance, or play the piano, I would learn the positions and then the motion. Then add sequence and then hit balls. If you actually had the discipline to learn the swing in that order, it would reduce the time and number of balls needed. But most dont have the discipline to learn it correctly.
You got the trail arm internal/external crossed, making this a bit confusing to follow. Internal trail arm rotation is pronating/over the top and external is supinating/under. The first explanation at 2:17 is correct, but then you reverse the terms after that. Otherwise a great video!
How high does mow tee the ball thanks i know mow is great but how does he keep from slices
There is an assumption that internal and external are understood. You should explain those in detail at the start. Especially for the lead (left) arm.
I seem to believe that not having the tilt, it can lead to crappy swing results. When I set my tilt up, it feels really exaggerated. If I don't have that feel, then I can easily come over the top, and hit a crappy shot. When I have my tilt correctly, what I seem to see is keeping my lead arm over top of back swing, and on down swing, my lead arm remains on top of my right arm, with my trail arm staying below.(right handed)
At the impact zone
Releaser : Tiger, McIlroy
Holder : Dustin, Trevino, Moe Norman
Mr Norman said its like the right hand is slicing a loaf of bread in half iirc
you have it the exact opposite, internal and external of the trail arm. You need to fix it! and not delete my post just because you messed up. Plus from elbow down it's supination and pronation.
@jaydubeck3435 you're absolutely correct. He needs to review his anatomy.
As someone who has a Kinesiology degree, this video is super confusing with all the wrong descriptions
It looks hook proof, but is slice proof???
How much for your time? I really want to get better with this swing
Email me toddg@gravesgolf.com
My right arm (left hand swing) externally rotates 90 degrees past square no matter how I match your tilted setup posture, so my lead arm rotation rotates 180 degrees from internal to external. I must have more external rotation flexibility than you and others you are teaching? Actually I can rotate my right arm 270 degrees, 180 degrees internal rotation from club face square to ball and 90 more degrees past ball. So this requires perfect timing to have lead arm external rotation square at ball contact.
u dont use moes grip, why?
The right arm is in external rotation, not internal.
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I see the Hogan similarities…
This is soooooooo unfair that you are giving away all of these awesome “secrets” to all these “I am new to single plane” golfers on here!! They should have had to have waited twenty years like us who are not new to single plane and have sat at your feet forever; life def ant fair!!! 😂
I know
Great golf info but horrible communication. Needs to keep it simple. Simple instruction what to do.
Moving along you're droning TM wasted info
Talk way too much
its free way too much.
Excellent