Tesla Model 3 Range Test - 3 Years Old (SR+)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 เม.ย. 2023
- As it's now had it's first MOT, I thought it's time to see if it's lost any range in a real (ish) world test!
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"and that's why we kept it" pretty much sums it all up.
My Tesla M3 LR was delivered August 2019. It's my driving school tuition car used daily for learner driving lessons. No discernible battery degradation whatsoever. Awesome car.
Can I ask - no offence meant? There's a driving instructor near me who uses a Kona EV and I've always wondered how the students make the change from passing in a modern BEV to their (probably) 1st car as a 10 yr old, 1 litre runabout with a load of miles on it? I'm guessing also, it would have to be an auto box if they pass in a (technically) automatic car?
@@computerbob06 No offence taken! Learner drivers passing the Practical Driving Test in my car will be issued an Automatic Full Driving Licence. They won't be permitted to drive a manual transmission car. However that hasn't made any impact on demand. Increasing numbers of 17 year olds have zero interest in the antiquated system of transmitting power to the driven wheels of a car through two bits of metal slipping on each other and a gearbox. As for first cars, they're simply going on to drive diesel and petrol automatics, but quite a few have acquired used Renault Zoe's, BMW i3's, Nissan Leafs etc. The main complaint from learners practicing between driving lessons in Mum or Dad's automatic car is that their family car is noisy, smelly, clunky and they have to keep using the foot brake all the time. "Bob! I'm so glad to be back in your car!!" Maybe it's because this is Cheltenham, but surprising numbers of parents sign up their son or daughter for driving lessons with me because one or more of their family cars is already... a Tesla.
I have never understood why newbies aren't taught to drive in an automatic. Day One they have to cope with all the road-craft they need to learn ... and a clutch! Even if they need a licence to drive a manual I think it would be a lot easier/better that the initial lessons are in an automatic.
@@ecok Thank you for your comment. What I find slightly depressing is the number of Driving Instructors who tell me, while we're waiting at our local Driving Test Centre for our pupils to return on test, is that driving a BEV or automatic ICE is "not proper driving"!
@@B0BHW Fossils !
I have driven EV's for seven years here in Norway, and of course the range goes down drastically in winter, especially with temperatures of -28c! You say how it is Andy, the battery longevity fear factor and range anxiety are now out of the window and reassuring for people switching to Electric. When EV's first came on the market in earnest not that long ago, no-one really knew how long these batteries would last. Most EV owners that keep their cars long enough to find out got a very positive surprise!
Hardly out the window. Lets face it these cars are still new. A 10 plus year old car is still a new car for many people. I will reserve judgment until these cars are 15 plus years old
@@stevebeever2442 ... do you really want to wait 15 years to find out?? Life too short as it is...
@@MrLongraphics Find me an EV with 200+ mile range for under £2500 and i'll gladly purchase one now. Not everyone is as privileged as you
@@stevebeever2442Spot on. The price tags EVs carry are absolutely ridiculous. It's all very well waxing lyrical about how amazing they are when you can afford one (let's not forget the wage difference between the UK and Scandinavia.) i would 100% buy an EV if they didn't cost silly money, but until then; petrol cars all the way.
@@Yelluz
You won't be buying a new BMW then?
Or a "new" anything?
smh
Interesting video. I too have a Model 3 SR+ with 55K on the clock. I live in Scotland and I felt some of that cold weather you experienced. I had a trip mid-April into Perthshire and it let me do a similar test to yours. I used to think of the car as a 200-mile car. I'm starting to think of it as a 180-mile car - and that's fine. 230-240 in the best of summer weather. A lot less in winter. In its early days, I was doing a lot of business driving to and from Skye in the middle of winter - quite rough conditions - and I saw on occasion that the car's capability could easily get into the 150-mile range. Thank heavans for the Fort William Supercharger!
I normally use the percentage display for the battery but on this recent trip, I had a look at the mileage display at 100%. When the car was new, that display would say 235 miles. In the first 10,000 miles or so, that dropped to around 220. On this occasion, it claimed 207 miles. If that has any bearing, it's claiming that over 55k, the battery has dropped by 11%. I think I'm seeing the standard phenomenon of a drop of 10% in the first 50,000 miles then a leveling off beyond. I routinely charge at home to 90%.
Awesome! Thanks for this. Great videos as always.
I am one of those looking at the minute, so great timing cheers
Great video mate
Great result. For more geeky sciencey and accurate results you can use the battery degradation test option in the cars service menu it’s the one Tesla use to test and is weather independent
Cupra Born here - just spent a long weekend in Ripon (Yorkshire) from the Lancashire west coast, did 191 miles (with 32 left in the tank) from a 100% charge.
The interesting thing was, leaving Ripon, driving through Yorkshire we were getting 3 miles/kw (not enough to get home) so the satnav reprogrammed a charging stop - BUT when we hit the sunlit uplands of LANCASHIRE consumption improved significantly and we ended up without a charging stop on 4.2 miles/kw 😂.
ps. Ripon and the surrounding environs is actually a really nice place to visit 😁.
Countless thumbs up to you Mate, best winter review of this car yet. Well Done!
Love your videos, I'm across the pond in America.
I’ve driven my BMW i3 for almost 60,000 km. I think I originally remember seeing a maximum range of 224 km when I got it. I now see a maximum of about 216 km. It has been about that for the last two years though. I am not even slightly concerned. The wheels and doors of the car will fall off before the battery ever becomes an issue.
I still expect 100+ miles on electric from home in my 60rex in summer, but the first 4 miles at least are free as I am on a hill, 80+ heading home. It is a 2015 with 70,000 miles, so if I were you I would not worry about your battery for a few years. (Rex very sparingly used) I better not mention winter mileage as I like comfort mode).
Ah you were in Perth! Charge Place Scotland - fantastic!
Well done great video
Thanks Andy!
Great vid mate
Easiest way to track degradation in a tesla is to look at the indicated range at full charge. It's not perfect, but it's a good ballpark. On that basis i am down from 540km to 508km in 28 months and 30k km. About 6% loss.
Thanks. Useful video. I got my Model Y standard range last month. I get 5+ miles per kWh driving locally and just under 4 on a recent work trip from Essex to Cornwall and back. Rained most of the two days and also had the heating on so happy with that.
It will go down to about 3.3 in the winter when it's cold. I get 4.8 in summer and 3.5 in winter in a one year old BMW i3s.
my battery reads 100% SOH on my kona after 2.5 years and 21k miles. early spring range on a journey like yours would be similar efficiency 4m/kwh but ive got an extra 14kwh to play with. But I guess i'd been over the otherside of the car park stressing about a charger not working well!
cant fault it, guess your channel probably helped me take the leap in 2020 to get an EV so thanks for the confidence.
Come to Wales. Public Superchargers up and down and suitably placed for a round trip on them alone!
I've been looking at getting a kona. Will it do 200 miles mainly motorway? Thanks
15month old Peugeot e- expert van, 46,000 miles on the clock, no degradation, no loss of range, no issues! It’s done a lot of rapid charging too.
Were you staying in Lochcarron this time? We stayed there in mid December last year for a week, in a lovely wee cottage just along from the Health Centre/Care home off the branch in the road at the west end of town. Great wee town, cafe, bistro and handy fir runs up the Applecross pass, to Kyle and Skye etc. We stop at Kingussie to walk our doggies, loos etc and sometimes Dingwall., Golspie from Kinross, or just bash on. My 2020 Ioniq gets about 160m in winter and still 190m in summer. Great video mate!!
We bought a late '19 Long Range in January and just took it for our first 'real' long drive over the Easter break. It now has 54k on it, and from 100% we drove 195 miles to our destination and we still had 27% remaining. Didn't use the heating all the time but we certainly had it on for periods during the drive. Suspect mine hasn't dropped either
Depends on the speed you did. If you get these numbers with an avg of lets say 50-55mph (under 100km/h) then it's bad. But at 65-70 its much better.
@@AERONOOB I'm in the UK mate, don't drive at 55 lol
I have a BMW IX3, it is 18months old, done 35,000miles, and no difference in battery performance at all. Very happy with the EV, bought as a work car due to lots of miles to make it a bit easier on the pocket in fuel. Will be sticking with EVs for the future. I too do some good long range journeys from Lincolnshire, down south, across to Ireland via Scotland, 80% charging at home, but have not had many issues with charging network on the road at all, just about planning ahead, and having a back up plan incase any charger issues along the way.
great video
Our early 2020LR is on 40300 miles, it indicates 290 miles @ 100% which is down from 308 when brand new. I very recently managed 301 miles with 7% remaining at about 10 degC ambient. Degradation not really noticeable.
Great video as always. But it might be worth noting that the chargers that were not working (in Perth), were the crappy Charge Place Scotland chargers, if they were Ionity, Instavolt, MFG or Fastned then I'd be fairly confident in them working.
My only issue is finding an Ionity that is available!! We arrived at the Stafford charger and there were 6 cars in front of us waiting! Shocking! Granted I could have gone 10 miles up the M6 to an MFG and pay 3 times more per kw (but my Yorkshireman instinct kicked in). Consequently we got home home with 5% left and continued 30 miles of errands using diesel power (urgh).
I was in the Perth bus-depot and car park where the Tesla chargers are located a few days ago and there are rows upon rows of new chargers together with a huge solar canopy currently being commissioned. Of the original DC chargers you mention and seen in the video only one remains functional and is not cordoned off.
Crossing Kessock Bridge there were 6 indoor superchargers just to your right, about half a mile away, inside the multi-storey car park.
Great range test. Model 3 SR + is an absolute beast for a 3 year old EV! No pre heat amazing
I currently have an Enyaq 60 from 2021 and have not noticed any drop either. The build quality is excellent also which would be my main concern going to a Tesla (interior squeaks and rattles would drive me batty!) not the battery. The supercharging network is a huge attraction and since the used prices have dropped I would be very tempted to go for a used model 3 long range when I come to change cars.
What squeaks and rattles, that is ancient history. My last Model 3 and current Model Y have been faultless
Yep. Ours is 3.5yrs old and going great. Daughter’s 6yr Ioniq 28kWh the same. Summer/warm weather achieves stunning results for both cars. Charging on a journey for the Ioniq is appalling compared to Tesla. Both cars are charged daily on outdoor 3 pin sockets, via the supplied granny chargers at 2,2kW/10amps, for daily driving. Electric driving is superb.
Just seen your range test I have 2021 sr+ live in Devon. Could you give me the link of the place you stayed in Scotland please.
Great video. For future vids could you put the car range on the Tesla screen at miles rather than percentages? Would be interesting to know what the car thinks it has range in miles.
Tesla don't show an active range prediction in that way, it just shows SoC% remaining X the WLTP range. If you want an intelligent prediction you have to look at % remaining predicted in the nav.
I have the same car as yours. When it's been fully charged, what range does the car say the 100% state of charge equates to (before you start driving)?
Happy with my SR+ since 2019.
Warranty repair of frunk latch, after malfunction and not opening after 3-4 months.
Warranty replacement of rear window, after tiny crack in the corner.
Warranty repair, passenger side sun shade latch.
Recently: squeaky front right wheel. I've just requested service; expecting warranty repair.
Only feels like 5 minutes since you said you were getting a Tesla. How time flies.
2019 SR+ w 75k mi in the US. Range and charging are never a worry. But, I was surprised to experience a drop off of power recently on the bottom of the pack. I know my car has 15-18 miles beyond zero. Tesla has stated it and I have experienced below zero a few years ago with no issue. So, I thought I had built up experience with what my car does and when the onboard range/charging alerts can be ignored to reach destination. Now, when I have single digits, the car will not maintain at 40-50 mph. I recently had to put on my hazards and limp to the supercharger. I won't ignore the suggestions again.
echoes my experience too, with a Dec 19 M3P (no noticeable change in range)
It just works! (Have you been watching Paul Hibert recently? 😊)
good video, as always. I bought a 3.5 year old standard range plus just before Christmas 2023 and have found the range a bit grim. Daily 80% charge gives me about 140 miles, which is way less than the web site stated 254miles at 100% charge. Ok I live in Scotland and I have the blue flake on the screen every day since I bought the car, but I still expected better range than this. Hopefully once summer hits the North East of Scotland the range will increase dramatically. 😁
140 would be nice! 3yr old SR+ refresh, with heat pump, bought a month after you. 1st proper road trip last weekend. Newcastle to London and back. Chill mode, cruise control (73), 17c ish outside... I got 120 miles going from 100-20% on the first leg, and the rest of the trip didn`t get any better till I hit the London 50/20 zones. At least the car was very comfy and the charging stops were easy, all 5 off them.
Great informative video. 3 year old tesla model 3s are going for almost half the price of a new one. Did you still get the same charging speeds I mean can you get 200kw from supercharger?
It's the same as it was from day 1.
I have a question. I want to buy a Tesla M3 and was already ready to order but now it looks like there will be a new M3 released this year. The current one seems well established, all problems have been ironed out and after a few test drives I have to say it's a lovely car. However, the new Model is gonna have all the new tech. It could mean some niggles, but I guess it will hold it's value better over time? I really don't know what to do.
Buy now, or wait?
Ok “” 190 miles and how much does cost you to charge it to full from Tesla charging point ?? Please can you explain ,,,thanks
Have see a few 2014 Model Ss on autotrader for Sale with about 199k on the clock. Anyone know what the range might be today?
I had to take my ID.3 to the shop and they gave me an ICE car as a loaner. In two years I had forgotten what it was like to drive a non-EV, and it wasn't a pleasant memory: noisy, smelly, clunky, poor acceleration, no regen, poor driving experience all together. The only thing it has going for it is longer range, but the 250-450 km I get from mine is enough for me. When you go EV, it can be hard to go back.
we have a Zoe and an alfa still prefer to drive the alfa
I have read to calibrate your battery go 100% to 1% every so often. This levels off the battery cells so they are full charge.
I can't believe you've had it 3 years. Remember when you first got it to replace the leaf. You were really excited to get it. If they made that a hatch and not a saloon I'd have considered one. Not willing to pay extra for a Y
To befare, from the glimps we got that looked like Gridserve was replacing the old Ecotricity chargers!
Its there on the screen at 5.05. Total energy for trip 43 kWh which you worked out as 95% of battery capacity so your battery has a capacity of 45.26 kWh. A battery degradation of about 10%.
recognize that road very well. not at all ideal conditions and cold and wind will have made a dent in range (just as it would in an ice car)
Good stuff. Just hope my eNiro is just as good after 3 years.
No change in our Kona after 4 years and 55k.
@@toad008 That’s reassuring. We bought the Kia at a stretch and aim to keep it 10 years+. So far the most refined car we’ve owned, much nicer that our Volvo V70.
Our Telsa Model 3 LR AWD has 76,000km and the range is down from 500 to 478 probably a little more since we have't callibrated the battery/BMS in almost 1 year
Good stuff. Just incase anyone thinks you had to have a squeeky bum experience, there was / is Tesla Charging in Aviemore just off the A9 if you had wanted to charge for a short stint.
My 2019 SR+ (45k miles) is very similar to yours, minimal degradation 👍🏻
im looking at buying a 2019 tesla 3 ...... what should i be paying ?
You would have the Aircon on if this was done today haha
I haven't been watching your videos for long, can you tell me, does this have the resistive heater or the heat pump?
This older model will have a resistive heater. The heat pump came in 2021.
My M3 from Fremont has about 5-6% degradation after 72.000 km, 5% in the first 20.000km.
My Model Y MIC has no measurable degradation after 73.000 km.
Those British electrons are more stout than the ones here in the USA. 2018 Model 3 LR. 24k miles. Tires properly inflated with N2. Wheel trim installed. Have an indicated range of 284 miles. Commute 182 miles Monday morning and Friday afternoon. Have had to stop and charge some days as indicating less than 10% on arrival which leaves me no margin for error and I don’t want to chance getting stranded.
The M3 SR+ has lithium iron phosphate battery pack, although lower capacity and energy density than the LR, it benefits from being able to go past 0% because the computer has to guess the range (instead of being able to measure the voltage like on a nickel cobalt aluminium battery) and the software errs on the side of caution. Also, you can always (and should to help the software calculate range more accurately) charge to 100% and go to a deep discharge without degrading it as much as the other more energy dense chemistries.
You are incorrect. This is an older SR+ which does not have a LFP battery pack. Only cars after November 2020 had LFP in the UK and the SR+ ended as a Model one year later. The replacement has the title Model 3 RWD which continues with the LFP battery. The other two Model 3 variants (Long Range and Performance) do not use an LFP battery pack.
The best I've managed in the 77.4kw EV6 RWD so far is 318 miles mixing A roads, B roads and Motorway arriving with 6%. Average temp outside on day was 11 degrees. One occupant no luggage.
No noticeable degradation in my Model 3 Performance (purchased September 2019). Not a high mileage driver though. Only done about 11,000 miles up to now. I try to look after the battery as best I can. Very rarely charge it above 65% or let it drop below 30%. DC fast charged probably no more than 7 or 8 times per year on average. Of course I will charge it to 100% before leaving and run it down to about 10% for the occasional long journeys.
Usual Scottish weather sorry about that as a scot I apologise. So you were up at Ullapool. Aviemore has Tesla chargers 😉👍
Battery degradation doesn't seem to be a problem in most cars. I sold my 5 year old Model X a couple of months ago and it seemed to have the same range (give or take) as it had when new, throughout the year. I now have 2 MGs (1 new, 1 nearly 3 years old) and the 3 year old has exactly the same range as new. It's my guess these cars will outlive me.
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@@dimopoulos13 I have an MGZS which is now nearly 3 years old. It's very comfortable and well made. It has a range of 150 miles of local driving. My new car is an MG4 extended range and has a range of 320 miles, which I use on long trips. The car is well made and more aerodynamic giving it better performance. They are both better made than the Tesla. The MG4 only costs £240 a month. Both cars cost nothing in maintenance. I have solar at home so during the summer there is no cost for charging.
Is $ 36950 a good price for a tesla 3 long range model qith 26000 miles??
I have a 3 year old M3 LR with 65k on it the most I have ever seen for range is 308 miles when new, it is now showing 288 at 100% a loss of 20 miles I have supercharged it a lot sometimes twice a day and at least twice a week so not too bad about 6% auto headlights and wipers are still comically bad though
my LR has 5% official degradation after 38000km which is standard BUT it had only 77.3 kWh accessible from the beginning, not the official 78.8kWh. so I actually really only lost like 2.5%.
and ALL batteties degrade, impossible not to. that is simply chemistry.
if you do not see it on the range that might be due to optimisation. but use scanmytesla and you see the real degradation ;)
The LFP's should barely degrade. They should be rated for about 5000 charge cycles before falling below 85% vs 1500 for your and my standard LithiumCobaltManganese type.
what matters is how far you can drive, and so long as that stays about the same, it's all most people will care about
What I love about Electirc cars is not wasting a bunch of energy while sitting in traffic or parking lot with AC or heat on.
SR+ or drivers edition as RW drive only! Super cheap second hand now still 200miles range & a great drivers care super cheap to run and minimal issues great car with the superchargers none better!
WOAH there, Andy...!
Just hold on a minute...
What happened to all those newspaper reports stating categorically that you'd have to get an entire replacement battery after 3 years...??????
I'm shocked... I thought you'd have simply thrown the car away by now - what magic is this...? 🤣
Just seen the video title and not watched the video yet. I’m guessing that it hasn’t lost a single mile
What was your average speed?
Does the satnav come with live traffic , and if so did it correctly predict the roadworks and 40 min delay ?
An interesting info, satnav does plan using live info from Google maps, but if you do not have premium subscription, it will not display live traffic on the map (but it takes it into account, just hides from the user). At least in my experience.
Yes. And where i live every road has red traffic jam highlight. On mototorways/dual carriageways you can see which carriageway has the traffic jam.
@@Malcolm61 do you have premium connection?
@mjcamp01 Yes . Also FSD. So stopping at traffic lights.
What was the consumption, have you noticed getting less power out of the battery, no white boardy, no likey!
Consumption is in the video. Big screen.
My 2023 LFP RWD standard is getting about 130-150 miles in city, houston weather 100F is this right? I have ac on all the time but dang its raged 272miles .
It's probably using the ac to prevent the cabin overheating. Or Sentry mode is on all the time when parked up. (see my other vid on this)
@@ElectricVehicleMan i turned both off
@@henryherrera9111 Charge it to 100%. Then record the mileage to confirm what it’s doing.
@@ElectricVehicleMan charged to 100% and calibrated will come back and post ending mileage
My Oct 2019 SR+ with 65,00kms on the clock - so less than yours - has lost nearly 15% sadly. I am in Queensland Australia so no winter driving conditions here. I would be troubled driving 300kms with a fully laden car now even with temperatures above 20C. Arriving with 2% isn’t relaxing.
Lots of high temperatures where you live?
Not surprised
My first MOT is coming next year. Not sure where to take it. Any suggestions?
I just took it to my MOT place I've always used.
Same price. 3 yr old Model 3 SR+ (or) 2017 Model S Dual Motor!?
Up near me .... odd today, its 20+ :)
Always find your videos super informative. Can i ask a couple of questions about your car, please: do you have the wheel hubs on or off? Have you added any accessories that are useful (rather than just bling)?
My 2019 M3P 41k miles. Says range is 277 miles 7% lower than new.
Highly accurate, approximation!! 😂
Why'd it stop at 97% with "charge complete"? Does it ever get to 100% any more? You've done about 40k miles right? Mine will still charge to 100% "charge complete". It's 2 years old but only done 10k miles! Mine is also a California model 3. Not the LFP battery. Mine was built a month after they did the refresh and added the heatpump - I think that would have added maybe 10-15 miles to your winter range.
Depends on DC charger. Some of them have a low amperage cutoff from what I have seen. But Tesla supercharger usually is very flexible.
I thought I’d maxed the charge to 100% for the journey on the slider setting but must have just been close. Stopped at 97%.
Normally have it at 80% at home.
Did I hear you say none of the chargers were working in Perth apart from the Tesla ones?
Yep. The golden standard for reliable charging as usual.
Imagine this test in a different brand, except when you get there at 5 percent, the stalls are not working. Wouldn't be as laid back a review as this then would it?
They are building a decent sized charge hub there right now so hopefully better soon.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan Regrettably, I have never had the confidence to go outwith my Fiat 500e's worst possible scenario round-trip range of about 120 miles and my Chargeplace Scotland card remains unused after 15 months.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thank you for the info as I was unsure if I had misheard you.
Were the Ionity and BP Pulse chargers 2 miles up the road not working either?
Or was it just the Charge Place Scotland ones (in the same park as the Tesla ones)?
The exact spec of the car would be useful?
Heat pump? LFP? Made in China or US?
I’m nearly sure it’s not the LFP battery, as they were only in M3 SR at the back end of 2021. It will be a China made car. Heat pump? Don’t know
@@michaeli160954 it’s over 3 years old. (2020)
China wasn’t making anything back then.
No heat pump either.
You can tell if it's got a heatpump by the chrome. If it's chrome around the windows and chrome handles it's old version without heatpump. The trim went black around the same time as the heatpump became standard. LFP is last 2 years only.
I just bought a 70 plate which is being delivered at the end of the week , it has 164k miles on the clock although it’s not been a taxi due to having just one mot . I will be happy if I can achieve 160 miles from it .
How fast were you going? Looked quite slow.
A9 is strict ave speed cameras. 60-70.
My car had to have a replacement battery today. I prepared myself for the cost but was able to get some discount.
Grand total was £84.59. Happy to have finally fixed the starting issue with my 29 year old Volvo. :)
Curious how many timing belts have been replaced on that 29 yo car.. Oil changes. Transmission fluid changes. O2 sensors. Fuel filters. Water pumps. Mufflers. Catalytic converters. Fuel pumps. 12V batteries. Alternators. Voltage regulators. Spark plugs. Caps and rotors. High tension wires. Fuel injectors or injector cleanings. Fuel level sending units. Accessory drive belts. How much fuel has a 29 year old Volvo burned?! How many stops at fueling stations?
Lol
@@matthewprather7386 Oh tell me about it. A few years ago, I went through some of the old service invoices and had forgotten about some of the stuff but let me see if I can recall for you.
Timing belt interval is 70k, car has currently done just over 306,500 miles so there have been 4 cam belt changes and you always do the water pump at the same time on that engine. The last two of them I've done.
Clutch friction plate twice. Gearbox changed after one bearing failed. Lost count of the suspension wishbones. Suspension top mounts. Rear shocks twice. Lost count how many brake discs and pad sets. Alternator voltage regulators failed, this was a fun one as it also boiled up the 12V battery. Neighbours asked why I didn't just change the car and I said "because for less than £30, I can just change the slip rings and fit a new regulator!". Pain in the ass job though as to get to it, the power steering pump has to be removed first.
AC compressor changed.
Front to rear main fuel pipe twice (these are a ridiculous price at over £100 new).
Fuel pump, I think I'm on the third?
Head gasket once. Entire PCV system once.
If I recall it's on the third exhaust but first catalytic converter.
I've had to restore the front leather seats, they now need doing again *sighs*.
First O2 sensor, second fuel filter. I think it's on the fourth battery, memory vague now.
Oil change interval 10k, so thirty of those.
It was converted to run on LPG at 112,000 miles, the LPG injectors are about 200k past service life but went obsolete so it just keeps going as it is.
There's other stuff that I've long since forgotten about but I figure that even if I allocate £500 per year on maintenance, that's cheaper than buying a new car on finance.
Funny thing is that it's now rarer than my 48 year old classic car!
So to the sentimental bits... It's the first car that my wife and I bought after we married. We took our long since departed golden retrievers for walks with it. Our first child was taken home from being born in it... And the second child. It has an integrated child seat which the salesman showed us which we figured we'd never keep it long enough to use.
Not only are both children able to drive it, in a year or two the first grand child will be eligible to use the same seat that his father sat in.
It costs next to nothing to run to be honest and I'll spend far more than the car could be sold for to keep it running and this then brings in the economics...
Several years ago I was doing 16,000+ miles per year just commuting and on LPG spending about £2400 on fuel per year. Servicing is done by me so other than tax and insurance, those were pretty much my costs at that point.
My post was a little tongue in cheek because this is just one of my cars but as you can see, it's a family member more than just a car. It has its knocks and scrapes and I need it for next weekend as my daughter and I will be at an event involving lots of mud and it's either take the old Volvo or something else and much as I would love to take our Tesla Model Y, the white interior probably isn't the sensible choice. :)
So you see, we spent many years playing a mix of bangernomics with older cars that just do what they do so I'm very sympathetic to those who can't afford EVs or just have a use case where an EV doesn't suit. The old Volvo pulls the trailer all day, it's not great at economy but it'll do it. I've yet to tow the trailer with the Tesla to discover just how bad a box trailer will spank the efficiency but my need is only local trips for that now anyway.
We bought the Model Y after much deliberation, more than anything was the grandchildren thing as we wanted a car with up to date safety features as the next newest car is over a decade behind.
The second factor was simply because we wanted to and we can.
The Volvo only does about 1000 miles per year now but it's the simple utility of the vehicle that is supreme. I can get a 3m kitchen worktop inside with the tailgate closed. Chuck a ladder on the roof bars (I didn't get them for the Model Y, seen videos and stories of cracked roofs). I can throw anything in the back and not worry, or park or in this countries stupid car park spaces (supermarket and train station where nobody seems to give a shit) and not worry about anyone dinging it any worse than it already is. I love diving the Model Y too, it's just a different experience altogether of course.
I can also be found on Geoff Buys Cars channel responding to the anti EV narrative ;)
@@djtaylorutube Volvos are great! I’ve had a couple! And from your list, many but not all of the maintenance items would be eliminated were it an EV…
@@djtaylorutube Lol @ the size of the post coming from the litany of maintenance and repairs.
But you are only meant to use 80% charge on a daily basis. So range on daily is more like 150 miles ? 130 if you drive it normally, not slow?
Silly question, are you driving more than 150 miles on a daily basis? If you are, then you charge again to 80% ish and carry on!
Use what you need! It's only leaving the battery sat at 100% for days which will, if you do it regularly, result in any noticeable degradation. The LFP batteries are much more resilient in this respect.
Took test drive in standard M3 3 years ago. This is the same range I got hence on my 24 hours test run.why I did not buy it. Just did not suit my stupid 200 mile return commute .
Would now consider M3 LR with prices having come down.
You were correct. I love my "old" SR+ but a 200 mile commute would just be on the edge even in good weather. The new RWD replacement for the standard range that is the current new equivalent would do it but the LR is the obvious choice.
4.5hrs to do a 3.25hr journey. Travel up there all the time and this just adds to the fact that EVs arent for me. Not only do I have to spend an extra hour on the road doing 50 in a 60 (unlikely you can overtake all the slow cars on the A9), you then have to charge for 30 mins or so. I'd be home near Edinburgh on one tank and you'd still be 2hrs away. Perhaps we should do a ICE vs EV comparison video
Are you factoring in the roadworks at Perth on the A9? That took nearly an hour.
@@ElectricVehicleMan yes. They’re variable and a pain. But just doing 172 miles at 50 average versus 60 is about 35-40 mins difference so it’s at least an hour longer without roadworks or a charge
I don't understand why you have to do 50 in a 60?
I stayed at the speed of everyone else.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Your video showed that the Tesla required you to stay at 50 or under to reach the destination. up until Inverness, the road from Strathcarron is a 60 so time would have been lost there - And with the A9 speed limit south of Inverness for the trucks at 50mph, that's what most people do, they sit behind a long queue of traffic at 50 for very long distances, it causes frustration and accidents so the locals tend to overtake and keep the speed up. So on average, when I get stuck behind the OAPs etc, my average is
@@idfisher It said that I had to do 50mph but I didn't as I was doing a test. I know what I can get from the car and they're always (understandably) pessimistic to ensure you get there.
Going slower than everyone else wouldn't be a test.
In this example, I did the same speed as everyone. Had I stuck to 'eco' driving then I'd have arrive on prob 10%.
A relative’s just bought a 3yr. old Model 3 P, on 29,000mi. Not sure what he’s getting to the kWh, for his 50/50 motorway and large town driving.
Bigger battery but less efficient overall so not a huge amount more range unless very delicate with the throttle! If you "enjoy" the car the range won't be much different to the SR+ despite the bigger battery!
Is this a 60kwh LFP battery?
No.
In my standard range plus I aim for 2miles for every % so 200 mile range still after 3 years
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Here in France, as of today, you can buy a Tesla model 3 with 621 km of range for 42290€ - less than a Renault Megane E Tech. Delivery in May / June. In terms of range per Euro this makes it cheaper than my MG 4.
Second hand long range for 42290?
Is your M3 a HP model?
What on earth is an HP model? His is a California build RWD / SR+ that's "pre refresh" with no heat-pump. Oh you mean HeatPump! Haha! As it's pre-refresh it doesn't have one.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Teslas (+ other EVs) are calibrated with some spare capacity overhead to compensate for battery degradation? So they will report 100% capacity for several years until the overhead is lost, then you'll finally see the reported capacity start falling, despite the real capacity falling from the outset. N'est-ce pas?
Whatever keeps the customer happy.
So it’s a bad thing to keep stated range for as long as possible. 🤔
@@ElectricVehicleMan I guess it might stop customers suing for their almost new car having less range than advertised.
@@R.-. Do you actually know a typical tesla degradation curve?
Not true. All EVs have protected buffers but this doesn't conceal degradation.
A bit naive to do one run and conclude no battery degradation now and no worries for the future. Did you take into account the top and bottom battery buffers designed to hide battery degradation? Also the change in driving style brought on by 3 years of ev driving where you are constantly aware of the battery depleting. Also to say car has a range of 200 to 210 miles is pushing it when it struggled in reality with171 miles.
The battery buffer at the low end is not designed to hide degradation, it provides a buffer for the vehicle and the driver if the car is run down to 0% SOC.
Why not choose the warmest day and see what the maximum mpw is possible and then on the coldest day so people can get an accurate account of what ev life is like .