Standard Range vs Long Range Model 3 (Oct 2022)
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I have a 2021 SR+. Love it.
Two things you didn’t mention:
1) If you get the 18” wheels, you actually get two wheel options for the price of one! You can leave the plastic aero covers on to maximize range, or you can pull them off and reveal a set of decent looking wheels underneath. It’s even possible to remove/replace those covers as you like.
2) There is a large segment of the population for which the extra several thousands of dollars (it was plus $10k for the LR when I got mine, $16k more for the P model) is a deal breaker.
I get annoyed when I see TH-camrs treat that price difference as a small decision. It isn’t. Also, to shoot the more affordable option dead before it’s even left the starting gate makes no sense at all. “Hey, if you’re going to get a Tesla, it HAS to be the LR/P, otherwise it’s a waste of money”
Wrong.
I have driven my SR+ up and down the West Coast (Portland to San Diego), and across the US from CA to KY. Family trips (2 adults and 2 teenage boys), and solo trips. Not once have I wished I’d spent the extra $10k. (Hint: Never in the 50+ years of driving fast have I ever had a bikini clad super model waiting for me at my destination, holding a 5’ trophy, a dozen roses, and a supersized seven-figure check. Never.)
Everyone has to decide for themselves. But I’d certainly encourage TH-cam reviewers to build up the advantages of more economically priced EVs. There’s nothing wrong with not having bleeding edge tech, materials, features, and specs. They can still be practical, useful, durable and reliable transportation. In other words, what the vast majority of people want and need.
Amazing point of view. I agree.
If I could sell my LR RWD and purchase a SR for the same amount I would be tempted to go that route to get all the upgrades. Having taken several long road trips the SR Model 3 would have made those trips with no issues.
Bravo! Couldn't of said it any better.
Well said
I completely agree with you. However, this reviewer bought a standard range and spent quite a lot of time talking about the range issues. He only touches on it a few times, but LFP batteries are likely to be far preferrable for a good ownership experience with less degradation over time.
Owned both and I feel the handling in the rwd was better. Felt lighter. My favourite would be a long range RWD with an LFP battery. Around 375 miles per charge would be perfect.
These videos are very informative. I appreciate the time and research Drew clearly puts into them. Thank you Drew for the great informative content!
When it comes to range, I like seeing the battery percentage than the actual miles left. I don't want to feel anxious when the battery starts degrading eventually 😋
Unfortunately some companies don't even currently give you the option
The miles left is a lie anyway.
The battery percentage is also just an "estimation". It's not factual.
@@Carguytct not on my chevy volt it isnt. in fact, it usually predicts 27 miles, and because it always computes based on efficiency, i get at least 27 miles every time. i wish every ev calculated miles like this
I agree. The car will direct you to stop intermediately so you wouldn't be doing the full 350 miles to a charge, BUT you could. You don't have to stop at the destinations they suggest or stop charging when the car suggests you to stop. Another 70 miles of driving and in some areas you can pass several superchargers. I know it's not great to charge up that way all the time and route planning could get a bit more complicated but I still think the long range is worth it.
Thank u… I am literally on the same boat as u thinking about rwd vs awd. U helped me stick to my rwd.
Been through all the same research and had the same thoughts in my head. U helped solidify it.
This is by far ..one of the best videos I seen and answers every question I had on model 3 vs rest on real world driving and usage. BTW I ordered Standard RWD , saved $8k at least
Definitely can’t go wrong with either, I chose long range because it really does make a pretty big difference with road trips with the range and faster charging. Also the speed difference is crazy even though the standard range is still very fast.
Are you going to buy the performance boost for your long range? Making it a performance without brakes, rims and spoiler?
@@HermanWillems it only gets half way to the speed of the performance, not all the way
@@HermanWillems ya I got the acceleration boost.
yeah agree, I bought the LR for more than just range. I wanted all wheel drive, better sound system, and faster. To me that was worth the extra money.
We just did a 650km round trip (403 miles) in our 2021 SR+ with the LFP battery
Range wasn't an issue at all, we stopped for food and the restrooms while supercharging
The Model 3 RWD is crazy efficient. Averaging 203 Wh/mi in my first 3,000 miles, with about half of it being highway miles. This actually slightly exceeds the rated EPA range. Wh/mi will no doubt increase with sub-freezing temperatures and snow tires.
As I have seen from tests. The RWD in winter will be as efficient as other EV's in the summer hahah
Great video bro this is exactly what I was looking for
Amazing video! I completely agree. I wish I could have ordered the standard range. However, my main reasons to ordering the LR was exactly what you mentioned. I live in New England and also drive a lot for work.So I need the range and the loss of range in the winter is huge. Also having all wheel drive is almost a must come the snow and ice months.
I am a old, ex hot rodder car guy. Getting the MP3 performance was my choice and I am loving it. Doing a 0 to 60mph drag next to a hell cat dodge with 500hp and blowing them away is pure joy! I do envy you battery cuz we have about the same range. I have only charged to 100% twice and went on a trip right after reaching 100% but daily I only charge to 75%. I get free electricity where I live here in So Calif and have only charged a few ( maybe 10 times at super chargers and then only charging from 12% to 70% in about 20 or 30 min. I live in the desert but coming out to 29 Palms there is a very fun twisty section of road and coming up that twisty hill in performance mode always puts a big smile on my face. Gotta love teslas!
Super helpful! Great thoughts and so practical. Thanks!
Dude! I loved the straight talk that you dropped in this video! (12:00-13:00 mark) So logical!
Great video, i didnt think about the difference between the LR and SR as impractical for my driving habits. Thank you for the video!
18:41 that moment right there was the money shot! The last couple of seconds before the sun completely hides behind the horizon 😊
Really good video and thoughts. I bought a long range 3 weeks ago and was thinking of making a similar video. I was thinking I was glad I got the extra range, but I drive more than 100 miles a day. What you said makes a lot of sense. It comes down to your own lifestyle and how you need to use the car. I will say that as a car guy, I appreciate the added speed and premium audio of the long range. Not sure it’s worth the extra $ for everyone, but those factors helped me rationalize it.
Anyway, both versions of the car are phenomenal. Thanks for the content!
Probably the biggest factor for those of us in colder climates would be winter range anxiety. In that case the LR may be worth the extra money. Plus living in an EV desert charging can be few and far between so that plays into the decision process. I would like to think the SR would be enough until I think about the winter range then I start second guessing.
Real simple yardstick to consider, just like buying any electronic device with memory or storage is to buy the most you can reasonably afford. I think the LR is the sweet spot of the Model 3 lineup, offering the most range, fantastic premium sound system, and most importantly AWD. Love my '21 LRM3. I went with the 18's for ride comfort and all weather tires. Added bonus I can switch out the Aero covers for Rimetrix Orbitals (what I have now), or the 18" UberTurbines covers which I am waiting to be shipped.
Great video. I am getting my 2023 Standard Range in 2 days!!! LOVE that LFP battery. And everything else. The standard range rocks!! 🙂
It's been 11 months since your comment. Can you provide an update? How do you like your car now? Pros/Cons Likes/Dislikes?
Ditto to the comment above, how is it?
Drew is absolutely correct when your budget is tight. My first Tesla in 2017 had only 240 mi range and I never had a problem.
It was replaced with a 400 mi model S and I only charge once or twice a week. When our Lucid arrives next month with over 500 mi range, charging probably is only once a week. Imagine in 2024, Aptera will deliver a 1000 mi EV.
Thanks! You helped me to make decision.. you are so right about charging and distance
Extremely helpful video especially on comparing the batteries and range. I thought I wanted a long range or performance model but with the additional discounts available (waiting for Tesla) on the standard model dropping the price to around $38k. Add to this a $2000 additional discount directly from NYS and the $7500 fed rebate makes a standard range M3 including 8% state tax out the door about $31k which is thousands less than the other M3 options because of discounts and rebates on the standard range. Thought I was going to wait for the refresh but now thinking I don’t see how you can go wrong so I thank you again. 👍🚗
Very helpful! ✌🏻
Thanks for the info, very good points and insights
Got my 2023 RWD Model 3 a month ago. Came super fast less than 2 months! Love this car. Even with higher pricing I’m glad I did not pay the extra money for the LR. I’m in FL so I did not need the AWD as well. RWD LFP rocks! Just wished they gave us that premium sound package! Other than that it’s a great vehicle!
This is very good detailed info on SR vs LR, thanks for that and many potential as well as existing Tesla owners can learn something. Demographics from Statista show the largest group of the population is from 25 to 40 years of age and the second largest is 50 to 65. Those groups together are the largest and most likely drivers. It makes good vehicle manufacturing sense to target that combined group and Tesla is clearly headed there with the SR Model 3. They will very likely build a Model Y with LFP battery packs as that is proving to be the most popular vehicle in their line. Just some thoughts on where the SR and LFP are headed. Cheers.
I bought the Model 3 RWD white on white a month ago. Three days after I got it, I went on a road trip. It was the perfect trip. I'm glad I did not buy the AWD model. I'm retired, so I don't have to drive it to work, and once a week I don't drive at all.
Great info Drew and great job on the video presentation. No EV for me yet, but what you say on standard range makes sense. I can’t see me making more than 2 trips a year that would require multiple stops to get to a destination. Over 100 in a day would be well over normal.
Interesting video! I have a 2020 standard range plus and have seldom wished for more range. I sure wish the LFP battery had been available when I got mine tho as I can tell you definitely have more usable range than mine. Probably the main reason that I kind of wish I'd payed the extra for long range or performance is just having all the features like footwell lights and fog lights and just for a bigger wow when I hit the accelerator with while giving demo rides😄
I also have a 2020 SR+ but since I’m in Germany I got the LFP battery. I don’t have the heat pump or any of the other refresh options so the only difference between our cars is the battery. It’s true I love the peace of mind the LFP battery gives me, but it also has its downsides like Andrew said. My regen on cold days is practically nonexistent, and I can’t supercharge as fast. So don’t beat yourself up too bad, it’s not ALL rainbows and butterflies with LFP. I mean you drive a Tesla. That’s pretty awesome:)
I purchased a standard range model 3, because on the Big Island (Hawaii) to go around the island is about 250 miles and the highest speed you can go legally is 60 miles per hour and this is only in one spot (Saddle Road). For me this just makes sense. If someone needs more range and wants to go really fast by all means pay the extra $6000 dollars.
Sorry about the error in math. Should be $16000.
Omg I just started this EXACT thread on an owners group of Facebook. Stay out of my head 🤣🤣🤣 no, seriously. Thanks for the content.
Great and very detailed video!
This is great to discuss. I don’t think many realize this. Personally I think the less you spend on a Tesla the better of the deal is and greatly tapers off as you spend any bit more.
I got a 2023 M3 SR and the experience is 95% of every other model. Not as fancy stereo, not as fast, no dedicated video card like in the S/X.
The pros: travel time using SC is negligible. You still get fast charging from 20-80%. Can sit at a full charge and you’re always getting your moneys worth out of the battery. Less degradation over time and after supercharging. It has current hardware and cameras and can do FSD just the same. Acceleration from 30-70 is extremely fast and fun. You can get just as cool hubcaps to match the more expensive rims while not getting short life performance tires. It also is less complex if repairs ever become an issue.
The best part, the standard range is 12k cheaper, plus after your federal rebate and state rebate you’re under 30k.
It’s kind of a no brainer.
Great discussion with actual facts and considerations not just emotional numbers.
I think you failed to mention the all wheel drive and how long it takes to charge the same amount of miles. How long does it take the ion battery to charge to 100 from 20% at a v3 super charger?
Got a 2018 mid range model 3 and it has about 229mi of range and I drove my car from LA to Vegas with only one charging stop. I rarely road trip but when I do I'm glad it's still reliable. On average I drive less than 40mi a day. No regrets on my decision to buy it and still happy till this day.
I keep my cars over 6 years and take around 20 road trips a year for family and vacation. The range is a must with weather changes. Totally worth it. I know too many owners that hate low range.
With the LFP the RWD makes a lot of sense.
The all wheel drive does come in handy for winter, but not sure it's worth the extra these days.
It is quicker though, and charges quicker.
Excellent video! I do my Tesla test drive next week. I am considering M3SR or M3P for the $10K+. The idea of 0-60 in 3 secs is very appealing but probably not very practical for me. My driving style is basically "Old Guy" for the most part. I work from home. I do take multiple road trips a year. The appealing points on SR are LFP battery, RWD, 400lbs less, more efficient & the cost. I guess the test drive will help me make my decision? Coming out of a 13 yr old Camry V6...which I "thought" was pretty peppy! haha
My job requires me to fill up 3 times a week. So the LR made the most sense. And it’s great peace of mind when stuck in traffic. (Of which LA, 405, San Diego are regular routes)
But being stuck in traffic gives you near unlimited miles of range..? No peace of mind needed there.
Being stuck in traffic uses almost no range. Unless you drive 250 miles a day you don’t need LR
@@davidkaplan5517 I know. “Piece of mind” was for my initial range anxiety
Hows the rwd handles in the rain ? and for daily commute to work do we need charge it to 100% or 80 % for a longer battery life ?
Thankyou I needed to hear this. I’ve driven the Rwd model 3 and the performance and I liked the performance but the rwd was totally enough power for me and the range is plenty but I wanted the performance so that when I say I drive a tesla and people wanna know if it’s fast I can say I beat hellcats. When i’m reality I don’t wanna beat them i don’t need that. A sub 6 second 0-60 is fast enough for me lol it still handles well it still has great power when you’re already rolling. It’s only slower noticeably off the line.
Do you have a problem with unlocking the car sometimes when your iPhone is in low power mode? I noticed I would have to turn on the screen for it to work or even unlock it through the app
does the SR will get the same feature? like same numbers of speakers? does it come with fog lights? was just curious I know we know that a lot of features have been taken out everytime if a new Year model comes out like the Sensors on the bumpers etc.
Almost every day I drive up a long steep canyon. Energy consumption is double the normal rate (about 600 Wh/mi). Does Tesla offer any information on how continuous high loads affect the battery? Is there any limit on how high of a continuous load can be handled by the battery cooling system?
My bf got a Midrange back when those were available, it was like a $5k difference or something between that and the LR, and he regularly tells me he wishes he'd have just gotten the LR. He also drives like 80 miles a day and his MR is fine for that, he just wishes he had a bit more range available
Totally agree. I opted for the SR+ which in the uk has a 305 mile range and it’s more than enough for all of my needs. I initially did order the LR for pretty much the same thoughts you mention but I cancelled and reordered the RWD and it was by far the most sensible decision. Yes 1.6 seconds faster to 60 would be fun but in the real world usage how often do you need to do that? Certainly not for £7k more. 👍
Thanks for this video. I'll be ordering (and maybe getting) my Tesla sometime in the next few weeks and have really been debating with myself over which one to get. I really like the idea of longer range and AWD, but it seems the range really isn't that much different. The higher end sound system would be nice, but as I mostly listen to audiobooks and old time radio on my 100 mile a day commute the extra sound quality would be lost one me.
It's also interesting that apparently the LFP battery is more stable over the long run... I keep my cars for a long time, as in my 2015 Mustang has 255k on it and my Jeep XJ about 600k.
And as of the end of November 2023 the difference in price is $7000.
I think I'm going to be getting the cheap one!
I haven’t charged the SR for 3 days now . Battery is at 65%. I normally plug in every night at home with the Mobil charger . Still have not needed to Super charge . Maybe I will plug in tomorrow on day 4 . It’s perfect car for florida Commuting.
You forgot 2 important diferences, mainly applied to cold weather countries: driving on ice/snow, battery performance (affecting the same but you have a larger buffer). Apart from it after 28k driven only once I did a stretch impossible for the SR (400km at 130km/h) and where adding an extra stop would mean a 30 min detour on top of the charging.
Great points
Aside from the range i am wondering if AWD makes sense in a place where it snows for around 3 to 4 months in a year..or a set of winter tires be ok? Is it safe for a RWD on snow??
I ordered a standard range 3 yesterday but decided to splurge on FSD. It will provide enough range for everything I do. I would have preferred a RWD Model Y, but they don't make it RWD anymore and adding FSD to a Model Y that only comes AWD was just too much money. I figure FSD or something like it will be the norm in a few years, so I might as well have the fun of watching it develop. I considered a used RWD Model Y, but it was hard to find FSD and then there was the issue of how the battery had been maintained and the cost of the used cars was about the same as new. I have owned a Volt since 2012 and have no fear of battery failure as it simply has not been an issue, despite all these winters being Canadian. It has been a wonderful car and still works as designed. Tesla is the only company who understands that a holistic approach is the only way forward to electrification.
You get dual motors i.e greater tork and better soundsystem in the LR too not only the battery... faster charging too not only the larger battery
great video, you are very smart and intelligent. i like your thought process and mindset. you make many great points and arguments. thank you
In terms of accelaration does it make a huge diff? I tested a LR in Bern last week, but i feel i need to test the single motor as well. Its 31k - SR and 40k LR - For me, the price difference is quite big, as I want to take the 19 inch wheels as well
RWD and LFP battery. Excellent discussion.
I’m considering buying a used model 3 standard RWD. Do they all come with iron phosphate batteries?
You didn't event mention the performance difference or the sound system between the long range and standard range.
Is the sound system also different in standard version from LR?
Thank you so much for this video.
I know which one to get. SR it is!
How bout the RWD and AWD? Does it impact the driving experience ie spirited driving? Really hope to get some advise cos I'm from Malaysia and it's the first time Tesla has come onto our shores
Wish they'd give us the premium sound package in the rwd
Does this mean you have to stop 13 times between Fort Worth and Denison Texas if it charges you up to the next station
This is one of the best and honest reviews/perspectives I’ve seen in a while. Thank you.
I keep hearing “$6,000-$7,000 more” for Long Range, when in fact RWD is priced at $46,990 and LR is priced at $57,990. That’s $11,000. I ordered RWD on 9/16 with edd 12/3-1/14/23 based on LFP chemistry and saving $11,000. Yes, the LR is faster to 60 in 4.2 seconds, but how fast do you need to go on your daily commute ?The RWD is also very fast and probably faster than what most people are already driving. Test Drive both and one might find the RWD is plenty fast. I’ll take less battery degradation over time with RWD and just add a 3rd party subwoofer for
I have a rwd and wanted to add a sub, where can we get one installed?
How do you find subwoofer?
I also would like to know
SR also doesn’t have subwoofer. So the sound system is better on the LR as well
Great perspective. Only thing i like about the long range is the fact that it has AWD, much better music system, and much higher acceleration. Not necessarily the range part as you mentioned.
I just bought a 2023 RWD just before the price drop. It would've only been 4k more for a LR after the price drop. I would've gladly paid 4k for AWD, sound system, and faster acceleration. But at the time I purchased, it was 12k more which is an easy no.
@@tylerwiesner7128 Same here
Rural roads here, it’ll have to be AWD for the 4-7 days a year it will really matter. 🤷♂️
Does the standard range come with upgraded speakers?
An excellent summary, I had a lot of information about LFP vs CPA Batteries but I didnt know LFP lasted more, I plan to keep a decade the car, so this is important, I have a Decision now and I agree with you
great points!
I got my LR for performance, AWD, range especially during those cold winters. 🥶
I opted for the LR back in 2019. But back then LFP wasn’t a thing and given that I was living in upstate NY. I personally don’t know anyone who bought the standard range and wish they had more. But I do know people who traded a Tesla for a different brand with similar range and while they don’t miss the range they do miss the network.
In EU many TM3 have tow-bar.
LR is better for bad roads & towing with the AWD, plus extra battery matter more when towing.
Took delivery of my rwd a couple weeks ago and I do wish I sprung for the long range for the speed only. Skipped the 2k red paint and it would've been a 7k difference
Is that the Oroville Dam???
I agree with you and just got a standard range version
I'm debating a lr v sr lenning for the sr Thanks for the video.
excellent information
what about the performance difference??
Excellent job I like both sides of the argument…in a productive matter…peace
Great video!!!!
In New Zealand the long range is to expensive to qualify for the $8625 clean car discount. So that’s a major factor here.
i would like lfp and awd, wonder how long i will have to wait to get that
Problem is it would be way too heavy.
Only reason I’m hesitant to get SR+ is the cold upstate weather.. it gets soooo cold
Battery range can get reduced by 30% in cold weather or more. Just have an outlet at home or have a supercharger on route for longer trips!
Love the logics
When you said "my gas car can go 400 miles", I felt that bc that was the only reason I wanted the LR
Thanks so much for your insight.
I lost my AWD LR in a flood (RIP) 😢 but I can confirm that I was charging the car pretty often, mind you I was always speeding everywhere… lol so yeah, your driving style will definitely influence how much range you’ll get out of it.
I’ll definitely consider the SR and save my money now that I’ve watched your video.
I’m undecided 😢
Sigh….. I charge my car every 2 days. The range is HORRIBLE. Either wait for the LR to come down in price or just get the new one with the better battery.
@@iliamarielugo what model do you have?
@@cheetah2882 the Standard Range
@@iliamarielugo do you regret the long?
Great video, I agree w you on the 100% SR vs 80% LR range are not a big of difference. However, RWD vs AWD and the acceleration are huge difference between these 2 trims. But is that worth the $9k difference? It wasn't for me, so I got a 2023 SR when I bought it in Oct. But with today's -$7500 credit before the end of the year, I'd go for the LR if I were to pick up a new model 3 today for the price.
Do you regret buying SR?
@@cheetah2882 like I mentioned, I did not regret it then, but with today's pricing, obviously I would have get a LR today as it's still cheaper than what I paid for the SR then.
I got it for the AWD. I live in Canada and the snow is a factor
Im considering about about getting a model 3 and I’m torn between the long range and normal. Right now, the difference between them is about ~3 for used ones. I commute from SD to LA quite often and I don’t have a home charger so I think the long range might be better
I think in your case, the LR is better. You can go longer before having to charge, since you cant charge at home. Which one did you end up getting?
For me the standard range has more range than my Mountain Dew powered bladder. For me the choice of long range was more about the dual motor for the 4WD and the punchier acceleration.
How bad is this standard range battery in cold weather? If it’s really bad I’d be screwed in winter time.
What happens if I don’t drive my 2023 SR w/ LFP for an extended period of time? Like 3-4 months? It’s losing about 1% charge every two weeks.
Rear wheel drive?
Only for warmer climate region.
With the LFP battery charging to 100% is for battery calibration. This is because LFP batteries keep a mostly even pack voltage except right near 0% and 100%. Since battery state-of-charge percentages rely on voltage to identify battery levels, this creates a problem. Tesla solves this by reaching the 100% level regularly and calibrating the battery each time. For best battery health you will have a slightly better result by charging to 80%, however you should still go to 100% at least every 2 weeks to keep the battery calibrated.
The LR I felt was the best bang for your buck with increased range, better sound system, fog lights, All wheel, faster, better in the cold ( I live in Canada), faster charging. I won’t mention floor Matt’s lmao
The RWD is for sure a better value
@@JesusisKing2000 awd was worth 6tk to me
@@JesusisKing2000 def not... just look at the sales. You cant even buy a new one right now
It’s not better in the cold. It is terribly inefficient in cold just like SR is. Unless you drive over 125 miles a day it doesn’t matter.
@@SandKraken long range is 12k more
I drive 200-250 miles a day how close is Tesla to a 400 or 500 mile range?