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- Is It STILL WORTH IT? Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS Flight Controller Joystick, Throttle, & TFRP Rudder Pedals Review. 5 Years Later Is It Still Worth It?? Is this the best Joystick and Flight Control system for Microsoft Flight Simulator, X-Plane, DCS World, Elite & Dangerous, Star Citizen or Star Wars Squadrons?
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00:00 - Intro
00:11 - T16000m FCS - Is It STILL WORTH IT?
00:53 - T16000m Buying Options
01:06 - Thrustmaster T16000m FCS Joystick Review
02:11 - Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle Review
03:41 - Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedals
04:44 - T16000m FCS - Is It STILL WORTH IT TODAY?
05:24 - Recommended Flight Simulator Joysticks
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I would just like to mention a small thing, while the x56 looks better and has more metal (looks more premium) its actually quite worse for the money, I absolutely recommend looking into more reviews rather than taking this exact advice as the x56 still has lots of issues... idk everything who owned both says the t16000m is a much better option than the x56 lol
This is true
This also allows for a Hosas setup instead of Hotas which is better in every scenario except realism in planes
Thank you for this.
One's a Saitek...the other isn't. Really don't need to go any further than that lol. Regardless of the fact that Logitech bought up a shitty company owned from Mad Katz.
A year late here but i have an x55 and when a buddy got the 16000 i noticed that the Throttle of the X55/56 is a lot better, however the stick on the 16000 felt so much nicer. No springy center and it has a far bit more deflection, was really surprised by how nice that stick felt, a bit light but so smooth
Thanks for the 2021 review. Just getting into flight sims and it's great to see a review on the longevity of the product.
No problem you welcome glad i could help! And welcome to flight sim!
You should check out space sim’s, I’m currently addicted to Star Citizen
Oh man i love star citizen !
What's your favorite Flight Sim Joystick?
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Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle Controller | amzn.to/2N42MXM
Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedals | amzn.to/31i8F6C
Logitech G Pro Flight X56 Rhino HOTAS | amzn.to/3s1KTHA
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IMPORTANT! Calibrate the axis often. It fixes the jittering problem. Except the yaw axis of the joystick.
notes: this is a 8 way hat.
3:03 There's a mod to fix that.
thanks for the feedback and yes I am aware of the mod
@@BluGames what's it called?
What´s the name of the Mod?
@@PintOsnildo Panzer V3 for TWCS
I've been using the T-Fligth Hotas X for about 7 years and I never had any problems with it. The benefit that joysticks gives you is the ability you can use it for Many types of flying until you actually find the one that you like the most.
Yes i agree thanks
that analog joystick on the front of the throttle is amazing for Elite. map it to thrusters for forward/back and left/right and landing pads become awesome
I have this and I’ve never seen any joystick more refined and high resolution, smooth!
+1 for the sticktion mod (3D printed sleeves and linear bearings). Has given my TWCS new life, and saved me from upgrading my throttle for the foreseeable future.
Very informative review, thanks for this!
Thank you for the review!
Thanks for your review!
Started with this joystick, great for p3d, fsx, if you're a beginner. Changed to the Thrustmaster Warthog not so long ago, quality is impecable. Definetly worth the price.
Been 2 weeks now with the 1600m,I fly on p3d Love the fact that is ambidextrous so I can be the fo and captain in an airbus
Really recommend the Fcs flight pack
trust me a rudder is a bliss during crosswind landings and a must if you are looking to fly commercially . Way better alternative than the thrustmaster tca officer pack airbus edition .
I got the throttle ball-bearing mod off of Etsy, it's awesome. However, I have had the Stick for a couple years now and dealt with the twist sensor issue several times. I don't use them that much overall, but the twist acts up in cases of regular use (playing something hard for several weeks/months). I would take it apart, alcohol clean and oil it to get it to work again.
I had a T16000 FCS until the yaw sensor failed. It went back under warranty and I got the Warthog throttle and stick.
I
had the linear bearings mod on my throttle for removal of the sticktion.
I LOVE the Warthog for DCS, but I'm seriously considering getting another T16000 FCS for Elite Dangerous -I think the setup is easier to handle.
BTW, I have the replacement slew sensor in my Warthog, so it's like the T16000's.
Nice review!
Thanks for your super video. Which one would you recommend for drive helicopters like in Battlefield?
Thanks for the review that helped me to decide. Greetings.
Glad i could help!
Great video. Thumbs up and I subscribed.
You made my life much easier. Thanks!
I bought the whole T.1600 Pack for 200€ a few days ago and I am very happy with it!
Nice!!!!
Quick question. I want to set this up for a mech game that was designed around the PS4 controller in mind. Do you think it's possible to get this thing to work on that game?
Great video ! Some question: this joy works on WINDOWS 10? AND IN PS4 ?
I want to use with ELITE is the right thing ?
I've been playing Star Citizen for 5 years now with mouse/keyboard and I'm looking to finally get a HOTAS. I keep hearing conflicting reviews of the T16000M and the X56. One person says the TM is better build quality. Another says the opposite. One says the buttons on the TM feel cheaper than the X56, and another says the opposite.
Org mates keep saying just get a VKB Gladiator, but I don't think they do a HOTAS and I don't want dual sticks. Can you mis-match a VKB joystick with a TM throttle? Does that work? Or does it cause compatibility/setup issues?
I'm holding off on making an impulsive purchase. I generally don't do a lot of combat flying. So I don't need something for elite pilots, so I'd rather not spend the money if I don't have to.
If I could get some advice I'd appreciate it.
Dude as a beginner would u recommend a stick or yoke?
Is a stick and throttle all enoguh or I need a rudder?
there are vids on cleaning the z axis of the joystick, its pretty easy to take apart and clean it, brings the sticks back to life!
My boi i have it for msfs2020 and Im having a blast in 32nx best pedals too
This is a pretty cool video!
Love to see, of all who does a review of any joystick they play srar citizen 🤘
I am going to be getting this to play old DOS mech games! I'm excited
You have to apply silicon grease on the 2 guide shafts. Easy fix fort smoothness!
Mine have worked flawlessly so I kept them as backup once I got my Virpl setup. Great video good sir.
I haven't seen Virpl mentioned in any reviews. So now I'm curious! What's your take on it? Looks to be priced in the Logitech X56 range.
Can you use this with cloud gaming on your phone with Nvidia GeForce Now Streaming Service?.
I'm trying to play Elite Dangerous and X4:FOUNDATIONS.
The review was absolutely amazing but I would have enjoyed steady cam during those opining shots but other then that it was perfect and even that didn’t bother me very much
Is it compatible on the Xbox? I just got MSFS and I am looking for a joystick.
I just bought the set. I'm so happy.
Hi, I would like to buy my first ever HOTAS system (Joystick+Throttle). I'm planning to play space sims or games like Arma 3 (with jest and helis). Should I buy the T16000 or should I go with the Logitech x52? Are there other solutions? I have about 150€ (180$). Thanks!
My Thrustmaster throttle packed up shortly after it was delivered. I now depend on the joystick slider. Mercifully, the rudders - which can’t be used without the throttle if the latter is dead - can be connected using a converter connect. And that’s how I survive with the Thrustmaster.
I wanted to know how does the thrust reverser system works in the t16000m throttle ?
You can fix the Rudder jitter by taking some Rubbing alcohol on a que-tip and dabbing it into the area. (make sure the USB is not connected) In my case, I would dab some of the alcohol then move the unit back and forth. Dabbing all around the paddle axis to get the sensor in there cleaned of debris. There is also a video on youtube to clean the twist issue that plagues the joystick. I was able to bring my malfunctioning throttle and joystick back to life after about 5 years of use.
Thanks alot. I saw the joystick video also
I've had mine for over three years and they are still going strong. Love this hotas but at today's inflated prices it is harder to recommend as the price difference starts to shrink between this and some of the higher end hotas sets. I'm just happy I picked them up at $99 and I hope prices soon drop back down to normal .
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I bought about 2-3 years ago the bundle that contains the joystick , the throttle controller and the pedals but i didnt find that usb adaptor and when i connect the pedals to the throttle controller , flight simulator doesnt recognise them. Is there any eshop that i can buy this adaptor??
Hello there, I purchased the same joystick and I am experiencing an issue where it gets stuck if I press it in the upper right corner. Is this a normal occurrence or is it a defect? Thank you for any assistance.
Adapter T-Rj12 works with this rudder pedals froms this box? wondering to buy adapter for this pedals.
what are your thoughts on the logitech x52 hotas? regular version not the pro. compared to the T16000 hotas. I love space sims and mechwarrior games. the x52 is locally available for a bit less cost wise. I appreciate your videos I trust your reviews they seem honest and on point ! thank u
put a tiny tiny drop of silicon grease on the metal rods and they should be working like factory new but dont use to much 2 tiny drops on each rail one up one down you slide it a few times and your good to go
have you considerd GraphitePowder for the rails? A very light dusting/brushing might ammend those finite issues.
Bad idea. Graphite powder is conductive so not good in electronics...
What is the console you used
Man I got the Honeywell yoke as a gift and I'm new to MS Flight sim 2020, the experience sucks. using the keyboard and yoke still struggling. What other piece can I add to make the experience a little better
I have warthog set up and an x56, the 16000 gets all the use for elite dangerous due to ergonomics and particularly the throttle being ergonomically good for my hands.
I also prefer the T16000 for ED - seriously considering getting another - mine went back after yaw sensor failure and I got the Warthog.
I just bought this bout a week ago on Amazon and its like they shipped a used one? in a busted box. Plugged in the joystick and its like the camera automatically spins to the bottom left. tried calibrating it and it still happens! only time it stops is when I use a software called TARGET and load a specific profile for a game.. maybe its driver related?
Can you play racing games with it?
Just asking im going to get one of these . Do you know how to get rid of the twistable function???
U would need to unmap it in the game control settings
Did you try to lubricate the rails :). That should help with sticksion...
which one has a smooth middle??
I have an old saitek x52proand throttle will that be better than thr airbus for dcs
X52 or 16000m. Which one shall I buy
I have the thrustmaster setup of 3 stick,throttle and rudders however I can get my rudder pedals to read on my pc therefore I cannot use them. What’s my problem? What’s your suggestion?
Can anyone help me with this?
Nice video!
Thank you
Im wanting to run a joystick and throttle to run on No Mans Sky for just flying around. Would this be good for that?
Yea it would
Ah, is that why I suck at inflight refueling in DCS. I didn't think it could be possibly be me.
I'm a noob. Is the side to side on the joystick for yaw the same as using rudders?
The twist from side to side is the best option to use for yaw control
I am one of had the problem with the twist jaw, I'm unable to repair it.
@01:45, you can adjust the analogue axis response curves in TARGET to give you super responsive center for fine movement. Game specific profiles can be saved too meaning you won't have to repeat a calibration each time you play a different game.
Can also increase the throttle paddle deadzone to remove jitter.
How to do that?
Maybe there's a way to mount the rail-riders on bearings?
if i were to play star citizen with this, can i play with one stick? or do i need 2? im sure i only need one
edit: also do i need the pedals to play a game like dcs or war thunder? or can i just use the stick and/or throttle?
U can use just 1 solo stick. But for flight sims i recommend u eventually get pedsls
For the TWCS throttle there’s a tiny 3d printed piece and new berrings you can purchase for a smoother less sticky throttle.
Elaborate
@ccsj its top secret! one can tell others about the fix, but to mention any useful information on what that product is or how it fixes the issue would result in severe punishment such as death by stoning!
I've had mine for a ... few years now. I'm an F-15 buff and I like how the throttle is more F-15ish than F-16ish.
I wish I hadn't thrown out my Suncom set back in 2004 tho.
But I like it for the most part, for my budget. When I can afford better I'm getting the F-18 setup since it's identical to the F-15C controls.
So o want to use it for warthunder the flight stick works but the throttle dosnt work when i move it forwards or backwards it dose nothing
Definitely worth it. I bought them and I am very happy. And like you I use the throttle with my right hand.
Niiiice thanks for watching
I’m pretty frustrated with Thrustmaster. Just had my third T16000M joystick fail for the same reason within a couple months after the warranty expires. They all failed for the same reason. The twist or yaw axis failed. My most recent one failed at about the 15 month pint after purchase. The other two about the same. I’d like to know if this one or any others lasted longer. If you do a search you will find this is a common problem with all their joysticks that twist for yaw. It really is a shame because up to the point they all failed, they were awesome. Probably the best out there. You might wonder why I bought a third after two failed. Honestly I was hoping to get a fluke yin’s that might last longer I didn’t, I only use my joystick for flight sims and a. A light to moderate user. I waited 45 minutes yesterday to talk to their tech support. They said there was noting they could do and not really interested in what I had to say. Once again up to the point they fail, they are awesome. There are several videos how to fix the problem. I’m going to try and fix the one that just failed but do not have high hopes. If you are considering anything Thrustmaster, buyer beware. It appears the T16000 is the same design packaged here with a throttle.
@@charlesbreeze6762 I am sorry to hear that.
does anyone know if this is good for fighter jet sim? (ace combat 7 etc). TM hotas 4 is out of stock everywhere in my country and only this one was available.
Bro, thx for the review. Still i have a question...
On Star Citizen...
How did you solve this issue regarding the Speed Limiter on the Hotas? Via a Deadzone? To me its impossible, because the Hotas is full front/fullback... We don't have a Center position, right? Hand to put the Hotas manually to the center omg this is terrible... Its so annoying when i need the Trusters only, but when placing the Speed Limiter to a level, my vessel starts to moves forward or backwards. Hopefully there is a solution :-)
I actually use 2 joysticks for star citizen. I dont you use the throttle for that exact reason
@@BluGames okay, thank you for your respons.
So you're not using the Hotas at all? Dual stick only? If it is, that's a shame, because I like to use them both.
So, after all to play Star Citizen in the verse, we can't use the "Hotas" of the T16000m FCS because the Hotas can't be set into the center, right? Hmmmm, this means to me to solve this issue, to just set the T16000m FCS Hotas asside, and buy me a X56 or a Virpil type of Stick & Hotas, because I like to fly with the Hotas only like it is when flying in a real jet of gunship real. Pretty a shame but it is how it is
I don’t remember where but somewhere on the internet there is a video about how to create a tactile detent using 2 small magnets. Looked relatively easy to do.
I've had mine for about 2 years. It doesn't get daily play. Maybe a few times a month. Casual flight sim here. After about 6 months I noticed the light on the joystick would be lit even when I wasn't using it. Then I started noticing my plane was drifting ever so slowly nose down. Had to learn about dead zones to fix that in game but the stick is still messed up. The throttle sticks exactly like the video says otherwise it's a great throttle. If you can afford something better I would recommend something else.
I can’t afford something else sadly
The throttle sticking before moving is potentially caused by the torque created between moving part and the base. This propably due to the stick being moved on a straight path rather then a circular path, causing a jam until you get from strong static friction (jam) to a much lower sliding friction (proper function).
Long story short: while pushing the throttle up, could you try to create a small torque (pulling the finger side of the stick up, resp. pushing the palm side of the stick down)? It's for science :)
All the problems with stickage can be fixed by fine tuning. For price to what you get thrust is hands down the winner. They just need to make them more durable and out of metal not plastic
that would bump the price quite significantly
Thanks. I was going to buy this because of the price.
Good and fair assessment! 👍
My 2cts.: Throttle has excellent usability, especially the analog stick and placement for index finger is just perfect. Biggest issue with the throttle is the sticky rail system though.
Joystick has durable plastic and good sensor (same as TM Warthog btw), but has IMO way to less controls on the stick itself (just 1 coolie hat and 4 buttons). Cheers!
as long as the throttle on the warthog doesn't just die for no apparent reason you'd be set LOL
Nice review, thanks. Could you recommend an online ground school? I saw in a recent video that you're currently attending one. Thanks.
Yes. “Pilot Institute” & “Angle of Attack”
@@BluGames Great. Thanks a lot.
No problem!!
Yo bro i had a question where i can’t find the answer anywhere, can you connect these rudder pedals with a saitek/logitech pro flight yoke?
These rudder pedals come with a usb connection. So you u can use any joystick you want
@@BluGames Thanks!
I bought the Airbus sidestick and found an offer for the Rudder+thrust+sidestick t16000 and it made me return the airbus sidestick. It is fancier but it has the same functionalities.
As a beginner piloting small aircrafts, it is enough.
Where is there a reverse thrust button for the thrust master tcws throttle?
No reverse on this throttle. You will have to map a button command for reverse thrust
Great stick special for the price definitely best for price and if you look to try hosta ifor first time i use it for starcitzen the thrusmaster mfd are good as well
What about the x52 set?
Thanks for the in-depth review, I am just staring out on DCS & MSFS using PS4 controller and considering delving deeper in flights (fighter jets) If I can purchase a brand new T16000m without the kinks you mentioned would be great.
Yea its a huge upgrade from a ps4 controller. I did the same thing
@@BluGames Thanks so much! 👍🏻
100% agree with Blu! I absolutely love my T16000M -- for the price it is unbeatable and has been incredibly reliable for myself. I've had mine for probably about the same time as Blu and have had zero issues with it. I will agree with the sticky-ness of the throttle, however with a little maintenance using Nyogel 767A lubricant it works better than ever. I'll go as far to say I prefer it over my Thrustmaster Warthog, that sits quietly in the box in my closet. Probably will get some eye rolls but after learning and becoming comfortable with the T16000 it is extremely hard for me to transition to another setup. Regardless I know I'll be utilizing the T16000M until she decides to give up on me. Any new simmers; this is hands down the best bang for your buck you can get on the market.
okay thanks for this. i think ima buy this when i have the money
is the performance still good?
@@Endorzan Hey man i just got 2x of the t16000M joysticks with the thruster and pedeals. glad to see all the great reviews! how's your joystick holding up? i see alot of people encounter the yaw problem..
My yaw still works fine today on the joystick. But not so much on the throttle
@@starley1807 hello, havent bought it yet ;D appreciate that you come to reply ;), so if i buy the flight sim i should buy this?
It's a great setup at its original retail price, but at the current markups? I'm pretty sure I'd go for a Gladiator NXT for a stick right now, since it's either the same price or cheaper(!) for higher quality. The "basic" TECS throttle VKB has coming out will probably beat out the TWCS at marked-up prices when it's available, for similar reasons. *IF* the prices on Thrustmaster gear ever come back down to earth -- i.e. $120 for the stick and throttle combo -- then I'd have no hesitation in recommending them again as the best entry-level options.
I'm in the same situation as you regarding the T16000 stick twist, BTW. I've seen the reports of problems, but mine is still solid after years of use. The rudder paddle on my throttle did start twitching on me a little while ago, though. Technically, it's solvable with a deadzone, but I just got myself a set of rudders instead.
Yea thankfully i have rudder pedals now so i dont use the twist very often.
Gladiator NXT's is definitely the best bang for your buck. I started out with T16000's, then they broke so I bought new ones, then when they broke again, so I upgraded to CH products. Then when I decided to take my sticks more seriously I got VKB Gunfighter MK. 3's. If you want actual quality don't bother with thrustmaster toys, get VKB or virpil.
Problem with VKB is the cost of shipping (and maybe custom fees). As of today, there's a special on the whole T1.16000m set (3 pieces) for 250 $cdn. I can only get a VKB gladiator with basic grip for the same amouns of money when I factor in the shipping. I think shipping is much cheaper in Europe but not in NA.
No mention of Virpil? Older video but still surprised they didn't get mentioned
what joystick should i get i fly jets
I have both the T16000M and the Honeycomb and I end up using the T16000M more because of convince.
It's just so easy to set up. Amazing device 👌
Do you know if the Thrustmaster uses Hall Effect sensors?
The new Airbus one does yes
If you are on a tight budget, a good joystick for beginners or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
For those interested, the HOTAS set has gone back down to $160 on Amazon.
Would you recommend this to me if i am mainly gonna play Arma 3 for a long time with it and mainly that game ?
Yes
@@BluGames Thank You! You got back very very quick with me and for that i think you get a new sub because i already liked!
Protip: If the throttle gets a bit sticky, you can apply WD40 to the base where the "slides" are (or whatever they are called, English is not my mother tongue, sorry). Did it about a year ago, mostly playing Elite: Dangerous and SW: Squadrons, about 400 hours played later it still works like a charm. I'd even recommend it right out of the factory. Just a little bit. And you can use the slides themselves to "work it in".
Ah, yeah the twisting sensors on the flight stick have a habit of wearing off, it is a manufacturing thing, so it comes up sooner or later in all of them, so I do recommend to use the rudder bars on the throttle instead.
If the twist yaw axis ends up failing, just get some pedals.
yea
I just got into Flight Sim and was looking for a yoke, but limiting space, I saw this review and on this review, I bought it. I will let you know my thoughts when it comes.
Yes please let me know you honest thoughts
@@BluGames After just one session, I thought I give you my views so far. Well, 1 it is a lot better than the standard controller. I did find that you need very little movement of the joystick to make changes to the aircraft. I also noticed the exact same thing with the throttle, that it does stick in places as you try to increase speed, which on a Cesna was not too much of a problem. I am using Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. I found that the rudders are not defaulted to the rudder controls on the throttle unit, but are on the joystick, using the twist function. The resistance on the joystick when climbing is about right. The various buttons is a nice touch, just trying to remember what does what is going to take time. There is though one issue, that you did bring up in your video. Yes, the joystick can be switched to left handed, but the throttle cannot. If you try and use the throttle in your right hand, it just feels so weird and awkward, especially as there are controls on the right side of the controller. I am right handed, but a lot of the planes the captain sits on the left and uses his/her left hand to steer and right to hand controls of the plane. This maybe a little moan on my part. I would say that in all honesty your review is spot on with this joystick throttle combination. I do like the fact that unlike yoke systems, this does not take up too much room on the desk. I hope this helps others to choose their controller.
@@GothiicAngels Awesome review! Thanks a million for taking the time to leave that comment. I'm off to purchase one now. 👍
@@LongLiveMasterChief Glad to be of some help
is that a head tracker device? which do you use?
For a head tracker, possibly track ir.
Will this work on the Xbox series x when the flight sim comes to Xbox?
Not sure yet
What games are compatible with this, also can this work with a PS4?
No it doesnt work on ps4.
Works with most flying and space focused games even farming
Just had the Z-axis or twist issue. Just at two years. Have the Throttle as well, but I'm hearing LOTS of issues with the twist on the FCS, and am looking for an alternative. Don't have room for a true rudder option, so I need the ability on the Stick. Was looking at a WinWing, but it doesn't have the twist. Thanks for your channel.
You could try one of the logitechs..
But watch reviews first before u buy anything
Yeah, I have a backup Logitech 3D Extreme Pro but it’s old and very limited for buttons. I’ll keep looking. Thanks!