MIXED UP BOSS is Hurt... How bad is the BOSS 429 Small block Ford wounded??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- Today on Unity Motorsports Garage I dig into MIXED UP BOSS as it's hurt. a while back when I changed the oil in it I noticed a small chunk of Metal on the magnetic drain plug.. NOT good
well like Tim from @318willrun said in his last video other things in life are more important and that is very true!
@mr.roddersneighborhood2740
I show the cut on the tunnel ram needed to make the distributor to fit this combo... TunnelRam Mafia Baby!
once I found out that our friend's wedding date was on the date of the #nonamenationals I knew CASPER wouldn't be able to make the call so I put it on the back burner...
Today was the day to find out how bad I had hurt my baby and begin the thrash to get it ready to race at the end of this month!
#ford #MIXEDUPBOSS #dragrace #f100 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Tough break but at least it's a manageable fix. Whenever you are blazing new trails, making big HP and turning mucho RPM there is a learning curve and wisdom to be gained!!
Rodney, it could have been WAY worse I definitely dodged a bullet but I'm bound to find out the limit of this thing! Thanks for the support and for watching
Andy
Little trick I learned is if you're needing a step to reach the engine in the taller trucks, and you're near an air compressor, just dump the air out of the front tires to lower front of truck a few inches while you're working on it, then just air them back up when you're done.
Andy,
I always appreciate your no nonsense approach to TH-cam and your devotion to your family. Thanks for sharing and I’m glad it’s not too bad a fix.
Regards,
Mike
Thanks Mike! I really appreciate that... Family has to come first! I've been guilty in the past of being gone every weekend racing up and down the east Coast and I learned time is one thing we don't get back!
Andy
Andy family and friends first. Always time for racing. I'm glad no major failure.
The lifter is an easy fix.
I hope that you get Casper fixed soon.
Have a great day.👍👍
Thanks Ed! you are right.. I had to choose and this year I decided to be on the beach for their wedding. Next year Casper is heading west
Andy
Paint those rockers yellow and they will look like bananas
Really nice to hear a person taking responsibility for something in this day and age.
I don't have a particular brand that I prefer, but that's a COOL motor that you built there and hopefully many more runs and miles to come for it!
Andy must be a seriously strong dude. Lifting that tunnel ram with the carbs FROM THAT ANGLE while leaning over the front of the truck is impressive.
I'm just crazy I guess! Thanks for the kind words Greg!
Andy
I have never been a Ford guy but that is an impressive motor build, always enjoy seeing and hearing it at full song on the track. I was in awe finally seeing it with valve covers off, a real piece of mechanical art.
Andy you were indeed the luckiest of the unlucky, witch is this case was not too bad. maybe wouldn't hurt to look at rods and rod bolts?
You take responsibility well.😮
"chevies and mopars get sucked in" 😄 Too bad about the "boss", but I have no doubt Casper will be healthy again soon! Yep, youtube is an extension of the hobby for me! All the best to you and Casper!
Yes a rev limiter is a must with that investment 😅 good job Andy
Yup Rev Limiters were invented for a reason... I proved that! 😆
Andy
We didn't get to make NNN either 😅
We got stranded 😂
Family always comes first thats not even a topic, always another day for wrenching 😁👍
May I suggest a Revlimiter until test and tuning is complete? Rev limiter:
A rev limiter is a device fitted in modern vehicles that have internal combustion engines. They are intended to protect an engine by restricting its maximum rotational speed, measured in revolutions per minute (RPM).
PS, I saw you mentioned it further in the video after I wrote comment. - Regards
I think Andy knows what a rev limiter is.
I used to have a 74 Ford F250 4x4 “Highboy” with a 390 in it. I had a Pertronix distributor and ignition system that featured a rev limiter. For a mildly built 390, I decided to be safe and set it at 5,000 rpm. For the most part, except for the 427 side oilers built for stock car or drag racing, the FE series engine family don’t like to rev that high. Rev limiters are the cat’s pajamas though. That coupled with an oil accumulator and low oil pressure switch, go a long way to safeguarding your engine.
Yeah I think Andy by looking at his engine knows what a Rev limiter is… Good grief.
Hey Andy, don’t forget to leak down all the cylinders.
Good luck man.
Thanks for sharing.
Kevin
Kevin, you are exactly right!
Thanks for watching brother
Andy
No excuses necessary. Family is always most important. NOW FIX IT AND GO RACING!
It's time for CASPER to haunt some folks.. Thanks for watching
Andy
Lucky catch 👍 rev limiter a must
yes it is! lol..
Andy
Your family and friends always come first! Btw, even if Casper cant make it to NNN, we still want to see you! Hopefully next year everything goes well.
Arnold Schwarzenegger said NO to his mother’s request that he come back to Austria for his father’s funeral, because he was training for his first Mr. Universe contest. What a robot. I would come to my family and friend’s aid ANYTIME, no matter what is going on. Obviously, Andy is a well rounded person, who consistently attends to his obligations other than his automotive pursuits.
Good catch
Great inside look at troubleshooting Casper.
Andy, you’re one of the good ones and it’s so frustrating when bad things happen to good people. As you disassembled the components I was curious about what brand of lifters you were using. But instead of blaming the product, you did the right thing by taking full responsibility for the wounded Hammerhead Boss. It was sounding strong until the converter problem allowed the rpm’s to shoot to the moon.
A rev limiter will definitely help the situation. Valve float will surely limit the amount of rpm’s but it’s not a recommended method 🤷♂️.
Those are some really freaking cool cylinder heads!! And rocker set up
Thanks! its different that is forsure... Thanks for watching
Andy
We know you, Andy.... your priorities are right and you put family first like you should. You're a good man. We'll look forward to seeing you soon, friend.
Thanks Brother! I really missed y'all this year. The clock is already ticking on next year!
Talk to you soon
Andy
Good save. I remember the change in idle sound after 2 weeks with a new cam . Tear down revealed 1 worn lobe and lifter? Drained the oil & primed the engine with diesel. Drained , then primed with ATF . Drained . Put in new bigger cam / lifters . Nothing like yours. But Still runs. You got this & that 50 + lbs intake lift? Easy on the back. I run a 2 x4 through the space between the upper and lower cuz it's heavier than people think. Salute.
Yeah you are right about going easy on the back! Thanks for watching and the kind words
Andy
You caught it just in time.
To your credit, you don’t duck responsibility and try and shift blame on to defective parts or just bad luck. Nice that you caught it and figured out what you were looking at, before the damage was catastrophic.
Thanks for the kind words James.. I have no problem admitting when I'm in the wrong! It's just one of those things that happens
Andy
Family comes first. The Chanel, and Casper will still be there after your family is taken care of.
Nice work. I learn something from you all the time. It never occurred to me that valve springs should be changed after an over rev incident, but it makes sense.
Yeah the heat generated by over revving the engine is tremendous! Lucky my seat pressures are intact.
Andy
Your correct about that one and I will say that you are a huge man that is so honest you have my vote for President Andy. I am so sorry to hear about this one. If it helps any your a top notch mechanic and racer in my book. Great evening to you and enjoy your weekend!
Yeah! If Trump rises from the ashes and becomes President, I think Andy and Don Frye would be a great addition to his cabinet.
Always can be worse Andy. And life beyound Y.T. Far out, I learn something everyday!
Exactly! Thanks for watching
Like always
Andy
These times is when a tilt from cap comes in handy
Yup
A rev limited is a good idea . I remember when i was a kid i bounced the rev limited off 7800 on my 302 Chev in my 68 Camaro when i missed a gear on the 4 speed . I was grateful for the rev limited on the Autometer tach ..i also was running a solid lift roller cam, rocker , joe mar ect . Good catch on finding the broken lifter
That’s sucks, Andy. But At least the engine did not grenade. Good luck get r done You are right family always first.
Yeah Tim talk about being sick on my stomach when I realized what it was.. it could have been real bad if was on the tie bar side!
Thanks for your support like always
Andy
Good video
Thanks! And thanks for watching
Andy
good thing you found it before it got ugly, nice job andy
Exactly! It could have been bad, thanks for watching like always I appreciate your support
Andy
Shit happens in life guy. People understand! Friends and Family 1st.
Hope all works out for you, you are a good Man.
Oh it will be fine! I'm just glad it didn't kill the TieBar and really hurt the motor..
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage NO kidding. Had that been me, the engine would have gone full grenade and pumped metal throughout!
I would be scared to death to continue running that brand of roller lifters. A new set of top shelf roller lifters is a lot less money than a complete motor.
Next time you get round to printing up T shirts 'Tunnel Ram Mafia Life' should be on the list.
Oh, and yeah you got lucky with that lifter failure. Credit to you for tearing into it sooner than later. You avoided disaster.
That would be cool
Andy
glad it wasn't something too serious. lots of time and money put into it.
Me too! And blood, sweat and tears...
Andy
Thank goodness it showed up in the pan . How about had it just broke and found a little corner to hide in ? As it stands , you got an early warning of real bad things to come . I hate that it broke...but it wasn't a really expensive deal . Best of luck to you and the family .
I'm glad it wasn't worse, Andy.
Me too!
Andy
Growing pains. Casper will survive! See ya at NNN next year 👍
I thought you would have to go deeper. Good luck man
Me too.. it could have been way worse that is forsure
Thanks for watching
Andy
Glad you caught that when you did, I was wondering why you weren’t at No name nationals.
Yeah me too! I hope to have it up at Shadyside for Reds race on the 20th if all goes right.. hope that C4 can last just a little bit longer! 😆
Andy
Lol where the chevys and mopars get sucked in. Glad the lifter didn’t spin and she will be ok 👍🏻
From the video it looks like there is a pretty good amount of angularity meaning the push rod doesn't come up exactly straight up from the pushrod cup. Did it contact the lifter and break it? Maybe when it floated a valve??? I'll bet you can find push rods that have a smaller tube diameter close to the lifter for extra clearance. I'm glad it's not all torn up! Good luck!
Not too many people admit they mess up.
I try my best to own my mistakes! It's the way my Parents raised me.. I'm just really glad this one didn't cost me as much as it could have
Thanks for watching
Andy
Hey Andy, I have total respect for you brother. Glad to see it's not catastrophic failure. Keep on trucking buddy.
If one’s broque they’re all broke. Be safe and replace.
Nobody is EVER happy with these wild combinations.
I am very happy with this combo! I caused this issue myself unfortunately
Thanks for watching
Andy
I've been running my 332 without a limiter after my 6AL box shit the bed, I threw on my spare 6A and never replaced it with a new one. I think I'll do that asap.
Yeah I took a short cut just to make it to the track... and I got bit by it.. "Don't be this guy" lol
Andy
👍👍👍
You should listen to your own advice more often.❤
Bad Decisions never pay off... lol and you are right BUT sometimes you have to put it in make something happen mode!
Andy
Had the same issue with my 408W except the tie bar came off. Roller turned 90 degrees and wiped the cam. Dumped the budget lifters and bought expensive name brand ones. I checked them over really well before installing them.
Damn Andy. That could have so easily been so much worse. I'll make one other observation, being a Cleveland man for over 40 year's now, having a dry intake manifold is worth its weight in gold.Regards Greg
Good catch Andy. You figured it out. So for that to happen on the over rev to 8600. Does that mean the lifter floated and hit the pushrod to break lifter? I think you better check that valve and stick a camera down the plug hole to see if you touched the piston with the valve.
If you don't like Crower take a look at BAM lifters, they are also open on the outboard side eliminating pushrod interference.
If getting lucky is acceptable, it could have been alot worse. You'll get Casper lined out andy.
I saw Tim’s video a couple days ago he was sad Casper never made it but now I’m sure he understands good luck andy
Yeah, I'm sure he does. Tim is as good as they come!
Andy
Andy, when I grow up,I would like to be like you.
Good catch on this! You probably saved a lot of damage by catching this when you did
Thanks! It goes to show you can never be too careful..
Thanks for watching
Andy
Is the elevated hole in the center used for oil drain-back? That is awesome!
No, that is a boss to run a factory type Hyd roller cam setup
Thanks for watching
Andy
Uh oh...
That sucks that happened
It's just part of the Build,Race,drive,break and repeat cycle! Lol
Thanks for watching
Andy
Dang
Dang man, I didnt make it either.
Yeah I had too much on my plate and this was on top of it.. you have a lot on your plate too!
Andy
Those 3/8” pushrods? If you can fit a bigger pushrod I would. You can never have too much pushrod especially with those super long rocker arms.
Yeah they are 3/8' .140 wall Smith Bros pushrods
You and tony ai allways something
This is just part of life... when it comes to having A radical NA combo such as MIXED UP BOSS..
Andy
Nice save Andy! That could have gotten real ugly real fast! Great content as usual and great outlook on your part! 🏁
yeah Tony that could have been bad. Im just glad that I caught it in time!
Andy
Can't wait to see what you have in store for that awesome pickup, great show again Andy and thank the Lord it wasn't major 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅
There won't be a better chance to change the camshaft
That will be later! Thanks for watching
Andy
I’d love a dry intake setup on my SBF 👍🏻
Sometimes, when you're trying to out run someone, things happen. 😀
Make something happen Mode is what I call it... 😆
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage 😄
What motor did the truck have in it back in the 60s when it was first raced.???
Looks like a set of lifters and your back in business. Thats got to be a big relief?
Coulda been a Helluva lot worse Andy. Got to thank your timely oil change and that magnetic drain plug...
Bill you are right! I change the oil like I change my underwear...lol I learned that Magnetic drain plugs and cutting filters can save headaches.. well some of them lol
Andy
Probably wouldn't hurt to drop in a couple of aspirins with each oil change too. lol, Andy.@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
I would tend To be Concerned about All the lifters Reliability considering the valve Float occurrence Probably caused Multiple litter Hidden damage & that Noticeable tiebar Looseness thing.....Something Bent or Wore metal Off the tiebar Assembly in that Critical area to generate Increased Rivet to tiebar Clearance.....I just wouldn't risk Anything in that roller area....
I know you said after you found out you had to take a break I know that feeling for me it’s more like depression sets in and then after a while few weeks I have to come up with a game plan and Suck it up and get back to work like you’re doing
Ya think it might be good idea to switch to a flat tappet solid lifter cam? The power penalty shouldn't be that much.
Nah, I will never go back to flattappet stuff in my own builds..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage OK, Ok....I thought it would be cool since DV can make flats beat rollers.
@@hoost3056 that is on only smaller rollers the Flattappet can have more velocity off of the seat vs a roller once you giving it an advantage.
Andy
Wooooooo got lucky buddy. Glad that’s all that went wrong. Good job trouble shooting sir
WHENS THE REMATCH WITH UTG???
Andy, why would that part of the lifter body break out? And the the other side is also cracked It doesn’t look like it should really see much hoop stress, was there a contact mark on the pushrod? Was the pushrod bent? I know you are blaming yourself and the over rev but I wonder if that lifter was heat treated correctly
with this setup on the exhaust. the more lift you run the closer the pushrod gets to edge to the lifter. This engine was built to run at 7500 rpm and that is it. once the converter let loose it reved to 8600 floating the valves pushrod made contact and the rest is history. the pushrod is fine. this was just a simple mistake on my part and the Progression Ignition is going back in!
hope this helps
Andy
I’m wonder if you’re getting a ton of pushrod flex from such a severe angle with a pretty small pushrod, I don’t know how close the pushrod is to the top of that lifter but I imagine 8600 RPM it looks like a spaghetti noodle lol
Those old comp rollers are tough as nails, that’s why they’re so pricey. Too bad you’re dealing with that pushrod angle and small space or a rev kit might help stabilize everything on top. You are damned lucky you caught that brother. We lost the first NHRA Heritage Series championship in 7.0 Eliminator by 1 point due to a tie bar breaking. It turns out that the set of ultra high quality rollers (14 of them are still in service) never had the nuts steaked and loctited from the manufacturer causing a recall… anyone can make a mistake and I stand behind those products even now but it was a hard pill to swallow. You’ll be fooled thinking you broke a rocker since the motor will run but this particular motor it went all bad and debris went down the front drain backs and broke the bottom timing gear (SBC with BBC Snout, they have a thin gear and key and I don’t recommend them in blown applications anymore). We raced awful hard that year and had a lot of learning experiences (My rookie year as a crew chief) I wouldn’t trade any of it for 1,000,000.00 bucks. Much love and respect man, I hope you can prevent that from happening again.
Hi Andy, I'm curious, did you pull all the lifters to get a good look at the backside?
I did and they looked really good, after that I began focusing on Valve springs! I have two weeks to be ready to race
Andy
I guess you could call it , a lucky break . It didn't do any grinding before it broke . Is there a different lifter 🏋️♂️ you could use ?
Best way to fix it is to put an LS in it's place.
I don't want to slow down.. lol
Andy
Andy , any reason for removing progressive ignition?
It had excessive wear on the Distributor gear I swapped in my old distributor and ordered a new gear for the Progression ignition dizzy.. it's going back in today
Andy
How long are those exhaust rocker arms? And what is the rocker arm ratio?
They are about 6" long and the ratio is 1.7
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage So, were they custom made or does Jesel have them in their inventory? I checked their website and could not find those rockers.
@VGHCX they are specific for the Hammerhead performance engines heads Jesel makes from 1.6-1.
9 ratios I believe for them
Whats your gestamtion on HP Thanks
I have a whole Dyno playlist on MIXED UP BOSS
It made 708hp 597lbft on 93 octane
Thanks for watching
Andy
P.S. Crower lifters are not built like what you have, they are open on the outboard sides so its impossible to interfere with a pushrod no matter what R.P.M. you rev the Boss.
camshaft ok?
YES! Boy that was a close call..
Thanks for watching like always
Andy
How or what do the super late models run 92 and 93 hundred rpm lap after lap without this problem
Valve springs that can handle that rpm. This valvetrain was setup to only turn 7500 since I drive it on the street quite often!
Thanks for watching
Andy
valve train is weakest link when over revving engine nascar at pocono race track hitting rev-limiter all the time in third gear in old cup cars 80s-90s valve spring keepers would let go and drop a valve on top of piston
That sux and unsux
I know right! Thanks for watching
Andy
What brand of roller lifters did you use?