Making Big Horsepower on 93 octane: MIXED UP BOSS is Alive!!! The Hemi headed Smallblock Ford
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- Today on Unity Motorsports Garage, I'm rocking my new @theoldmansgarage Shop shirt While on the search for Big Horsepower with 93 Octane pump gas! After the big ignition system fail, Progression Ignition saved the day..( more to come on this) We we're able to finally make some numbers on 93oct. pump gas with MIXED UP BOSS The BOSS 429 Style Hemi headed 429" Stroker Windsor! We have more tricks up our sleeve so Stay Tuned
Special Thanks to Dennis and Greg from the Race Engine Challenge Dyno Facility in Charlotte NC for helping me find All of the Power!!! @UncleTonysGarage get that Ghostbuster ready...
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Now that was info packed and a eye opener for people that haven’t been to the dyno room in the procedure and time it takes to hunt for a great running engine. Thanks Andy, well done.
Thanks Rob! I wanted to show what all goes into Dyno testing... There is SO much to it that doesnt get shown even here on youtube! Thanks for Watching
Andy
If it was easy to do?
Formula 1 engineering rule 101 from the late Keith Duckworth. For 780 HP at 7000 rpm, and a perfect intake with perfect runner intake volume per cubic inch, with zero flow from blocked off PVCR.... you'd get away with eight 59 Holley jets and 316 cc/min fuel flow from each of those. 2.527 liters of fuel flow makes exactly 780 HP. The wetted perimeter is a total surface area of gasoline boundary layer. That will chop and change your air fuel under load. So feel free to drop down fuel levels, and peak pressure. A Hemi head is a much more vibration prone combustion engine, so finding Power might require some staggered jetting to get flat fuel delivery to each cylinder. Haywire responses can be dialed back by air bleeds. Whatever works.
Happy Happy Happy birthday bro. Hope you had a great day
Thanks James!! its was a good one..
Andy
If you want to stay old school then why not ditch the carbs and use a mechanical injector? Like maybe an Enderle shotgun injector? You can weld injector bungs right at the port entry resulting in a "dry air" manifold. Way quicker to tune, especially with a "Dial-A-Jet" cheaper than those Grossly Overpriced Holleys. Just remember to get a mechanical injection pump like a Hilborn or kinsler dash 1 or 2 type. With a Dial-A-Jet you can lean / richen the whole system at the turn of a knob / lever even while running on the highway with the throttle barely cracked open.( Part throttle cruise) . Just a thought.
Happy birthday Andy!
You know I'm a Mopar man, but Tony better bring a big bottle & another plate!
Thanks Dennis and Mr. Finnegan, I will be rooting for you and Pop said more air LOL. Great day to you Andy! Congratulations on your 429!🎉😉
Party time!
8 smoking hot barrels of Holley carbs on top of a tunnel ram feeding a Boss headed small block Ford woohoo!!😮🔥🥵🤯That was a real treat for a Ford fanatic to say the least🤠Fabulous job sir Andy!!You're one heck of a engine builder and carb doctor!!The tons of research and hard work you did are really showing up in the end on this incredible build!
Thanks Jim, this has been a long time coming! Hopefully I can squeeze a bit more out of it before I bring MIXED UP BOSS home!
Andy
Looks like a great b'day present!
It was! To hear MIXED UP BOSS come alive after 2 years was a great feeling... Thanks for Watching
Andy
Don't Mess With The Boss!
Happy birthday.
588 lb/ft from 429 CID is a good start on the way to 100 hp/ L. :)
My Dad was like I am not there and I can feel the floor from the Sound! Now I have heard it all, sound great.
certainly see the advantage of individual injector control vs. carb black magic.
As a true builder would, whoo
I think you will, Pop said champion and I said stop. LOL
My new favorite channel. love what you are doing here! good luck at nonamenationals!
Thanks for the kind words! That means a lot to me... Stay tuned because I have to get Casper ready for battle!
Andy
Happy birthday Andy!🎂🎂🎂🎂
Cant wait to see her run down the track ! I loved your comment dual carbs are like a beautiful women. The trouble makes it more than worth it. I smile every time I open my hood and see a Cross Ram. I like when young guys see dual carbs and ask what are those . Lol
You totally get it! It's a labor of love... I love seeing the look on people's faces!
Andy
Best wishes on your Birthday 🎵🎶😀😀🎂🍰🍻 Hope u find some more HP & TQ . Robert Australia
Concerning that rich condition. After pondering over it, watching the actual dyno sessions then pondering some more. Did you ever consider lowering the float levels to about 3/32 below the sight holes and stepping the fuel pressure down by 1 1/2 to 2 pounds and making a pull. The amount of theoretic jet that you pulled out and showed little change doesnt really jive in my head knowing how close out of the box calibration usually is on a Holley Carb ( I know taking the tunnel ram into consideration changes things a bit from single 4 applications) I also notice that that dynomometer exibits some vibrations that may translate into some harmonic frequecies that are transfered into the fuel in the bowls which if the fuel level is somewhat high (for dyno purposes) coupled with more than necessary fuel pressure may cause the carbs to do something called "Pull Over" which is extra fuel syphoning from the venturis as the rpm and vacuum rises. The orientation of the carbs
(sideways) coupled with everything else I mentioned may be a contributor also. Also as a side note: Notice the fuel vapors emitted from the carbs barrels after you shut off the engine, that has raw fuel written all over it. ( Which may just be a tunnel ram thing ????) This is just my two cents and food for more thought. Keep up the great content.
@Made By Nobody Famous That wasn't what I was implying. Just consider what happens when the float sticks in a carburetor and the float level reaches the point where fuel is above the level of the booster tubes.....regardless of the size of the jet you go into a full flood condition because you loose any ability to meter the fuel supply. A carburetor relys on the suction created across the booster in conjunction with the air bleed size to pull a certain amount of fuel thru a certain size orifice (the jet) allowing precise metering of the fuel.
I swear, I've learned more about carb tuning today, between the video and comments, than I think I've retained in the last 30 some years,,,, lol .
Some great input from comments.
It's possible. If the fuel pressure is too high it can overcome the ability of the float to close the needle back into the seat. Most people don't realize that while the engine is running the float & needle don't shut off the fuel flow 'then open then shut' etc etc, the float and needle find a steady state, allowing just enough fuel to flow to replace what's being used continuously, not stop & start.
If the pressure is too high it can force the needle open and overfill the bowl, causing spillover through the booster and a rich condition.
Andy, you looked like a proud father there when it fired up! I would have though DV would have been there to give his input when running it
Andy, Happy Belated Birthday and sorry for missing this, I didn't get an alert🎂
Andy you had me nervous watching your loose shirt near those pulleys! I wouldn’t be wearing loose clothing around a running engine just like a lathe..
Great video bro! You’ll get that 700, excellent tunning info!
How exciting and happy 28'th birthday.....
Thanks J C!
It sounds as good as it looks. Great birthday party in the Dyno room.
It sounds so much better in person .. thanks for Watching
Andy
Happy birthday, Andy!
Thanks Scott!
Happy belated (29th) birthday (again)!
I know lots has changed in 50 years ago, but I learned then with my Shelby and 427 that Autolite is the ONLY plug for a Ford.
Amen to that!
Carb Culture leader UMSG!!!
😆 👍
I will wear that title...lol Thanks for watching
Andy
Had the speakers turned waaay up whole time! Love seeing all the details in dialing it in! I'm very interested to see what is causing the #4 lean issue. It's weird because #4 doesn't have any holes firing around it, looking forward to see what spacers do for it. Make sure to bring lots of different spacers to try.
If you don't giver her what she wants you'll both be unhappy🤣. So happy to see it finally run. Good for you🤗.
Happy birthday brother cant wait to see it in Casper
Thanks Sheldon!
Andy
His comment about the carburetor is so spot on!!! Lol. It’s true! A finally tuned and set up racing/carburetor is like a woman!, a finicky high maintenance woman. Gotta love on it and rub it, mess with it. Put up with heartaches and Pains. But damn once you get them set right, there amazing and you marry them. Great analogy my man.
You get it... It's true! Once they are right you better hold on.... Thanks for Watching
Andy
Happy Birthday Andy!
Thanks Gabriel!
Man! That thing is a beast!!
Thanks!! its been a long time coming... now I just have to find that missing power!
Andy
Andy great video and lots of work. Casper watch out. Torque is 👑
Thanks Brother! I'm making some progress...things are looking good...
Andy
Andy I have a small block ford with a dual quad tunnel ram and one inch custom spacers made and dyno tuned by Terry Walters ( I think you might know him) and the spacers made a huge difference on mine. now I need me a set of those BOSS 429 style heads.
George I hope you are right! I'm excited to see what it does...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I think it will surpass that 700 mark with ease, good luck.
Really Cool !!!
Thanks for Watching! More to come...
Andy
I would've thought the tunnel ram has more plemum volume than a 4500 intake. At least your tuning AF ratio per cylinder. Hope you find 700+. This engine would definitely do better with compression and E-85 🌽. My TFS R Series headed 430W with a ported 4150 made 716/592 and those heads aren't moving as much air as Kasse heads. Interested in final numbers. Either way this is a stout combo!🏁🔥
You have to remember it's going in a 4000lb truck.. my approach would be totally different if it were going in a light car... It's going to be street driven daily, so it has to go the long haul!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Good stuff Andy! That thing purrs and looks Bitchin!
Glad to see you and your family! Happy birthday to you Andy! Let's hear about your project, family is watching from UPMC presbyterian hospital today.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANDY
Thanks Mike!
Andy going with your analogy of carburetors to a beautiful woman and you have to treat her right to get her to do what you want, well then it it's easier too just throw money at them! 😂
Lol
The BEAST LIVES!!!! It is most interesting all of the tedious steps to getting the most out of an engine.
You are exactly right! It's more than capable we just have to figure out what it wants now... Thanks for Watching
Andy
That is one sweet sounding power plant man!!
Thanks Jason! Now I just have to find that missing power...
Andy
Bet you can’t wait to get the bugs sorted and light that candle full pull….
Love the OMG shirt
OMG is one of my favorite channels!
Spark plugs what about some Brisk Evo Plugs if they will fit ur heads . They have massive spark .
That’s bad ass man bad ass
Awesome job! Only thing I would suggest is to ditch that unbuttoned shirt around that V-belt!
Wow!!
Finally get it running and there's still more to go... Been there, done that. Keep after it I'm sure you will see far more than 700!
You couldn't have done this on a better day!
Damn Andy! I just ordered my heads from Greg the other day and seeing this video has got me all excited. Damn dude! Mixed up Boss is a BEAST! Casper's gonna be real happy that's for sure. Woo!
That is awesome Aaron! I promise you... You are going to love them!
I can't wait to hit that 700hp and then drop it in CASPER... It's going to be fun!
I looked for you at Shadyside this past Saturday.
I was at the Dyno! I hated missing the Gasser's... Next time hopefully I can make it.. Thanks for Watching
Andy
So far this is the best engine build I seen on TH-cam
Thank you David! That means alot to me... It is probably the longest build on TH-cam as well... Almost 2 years in the making, thanks for Watching
Andy
That is such an impressive thing to behold.
From the valve covers to the iconic tunnel ram and the two 4’s on top.
It’s a thing of beauty.
And on top of that, the knowledge that you have is just as impressive.
Be very happy that we aren’t neighbors… I would make you insane.
Great video Andy, looking forward to the next one!!
Thanks Willie... After I get finished up with this I'm going to need a long ride on the Monkey! And maybe even need to take up fishing.. good thing I know a guy!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage lol, That sounds like a plan!! Have your people get with my people, they can do lunch, and will ignore what ever they come up with and do what we want!!
😂
Heck yeah brother!
I had a Canton oil pan do the exact same thing brand new
Happy late birthday Andy. Guess plumbing each primary tube for AFR really shows how much simpler multiport injection is and why over the years more and more folks are actually going to it. Good luck on that 700! I know ya can find it. Ya just gotta.
Greetings from a fellow "Gaston-ite". Congratulations on getting your baby running. Excellent work. Loved the "tech talk" regarding the carb tuning work, very insightful. Keep up the good work.
Looks like you had a great bday. Happy birthday and God Bless you guys
Thanks for Watching,
Andy
Thanks guys. Awesome work.
Tony better bring his A game.
It's going to be interesting!!
Thanks for Watching Rooster..
Andy
This is super awesome content! Thanks!
Great work , motor sounds fanatsic
Amy, Thank you... It has been a long time coming!
Andy
Happy birthday Andy! Thank you and all for this video! An education to be sure. A lot of work, some real nice numbers, in return.
wow the exhaust rockers are huge
Yes they are John! "Real" Boss 429's have the same style. Jesel did a great job on these. Greg Brown the designer of these heads have taken this exact valvetrain past 9500 rpm and it lives.. Thanks for watching!
Andy
Andy have watched or talked to dragboss on you tube I think you too would be a good collaboration
Gregg, I just talked to DragBoss on the phone today! He and I are friends.. he has a great channel...
Hell yeah keep it up Andy!!!👍🤘🤘
Damn that was interesting. I think you are right , plenum too small. That sucker is a heavy breather!
Sounds tuff as fark and has the numbers to show for it. Exciting times ahead
Sure hope a couple of friends watch this they believe in countless runs at the track is better than a dyno whether chassis or engine to get the max out of their vehicles. But I always said if you have a good dyno person you can get optimal performance quicker than the constant wrenching and running which can take a good while to get everything dialed in.
Keep up the great content!!!!
A great dyno tune may still need some tweaks once that motor is on the track .
@@craighansen7594 of course there is,but using a dyno cuts down a lot of time chasing the engine,run after run, my friends wasted half the season at the track trying tunes to fine the sweet spot of tune on their engine when they went from their small block ford to a maxed out 460, all I'm really saying is it would have saved a lot of time tweaking on just the engine.
Absolutely a beast of an engine!! You will have no problem making 700HP… that’s a fact!!
It's ALIVE!!!! YAY!!!! Awesome, Man!! Congrats!!! Off to a good start w/ learning curve, can't wait to see what the final numbers are!!
Here kitty kitty... um I mean, here Horsey Horsey... ;) Keep up the good fight! Awesome vid. That thing sounds wicked! Great information to be learned here. Thanks Andy.
I'm glad you liked it! We have some more things planned and hopefully it will gain us more power...
Andy
Happy birthday Andy. Thanks for sharing your problems and sucesses.
Thanks Charles! I believe in showing the good and bad...
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Just like being in the delivery room with your first born, right Andy? For those who can't relate to a first born...when an engine you built yourself first comes to life, that's what its like!🥰
You are SO right! It's a feeling like none other... Thanks for Watching!
Andy
happy birthday Andy! mixed up boss sounds like a nascar engine. congratulations.
Thanks Kurt!
Damn Andy, this is impressive!! Not only is it making incredible power, it even looks sweet! And sounds like the dyno was a good idea, would have really sucked frying one cylinder for being too lean, and not even knowing it! Can't wait for part 3. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words! The Dyno is always a good idea.. you get to try things in a controlled environment and you can find problems before you install it in the vehicle! Like my leaking oil pan... Not to mention you can break the engine in under a load to ensure that your ring seal is good to go...
I agree finding the lean cylinders is a huge plus! It would have been bad to find out the hard way....
Andy
Great video and so much information! I love mixed up boss! I can't wait to see how it runs in Casper.
Cylinder to cylinder distribution, without those sensors you'd never know. Our dyno headers for the different engine families are all set up for individual pyrometers which is handy to see what cylinders are off compared to others, but that can lead you down the garden path because both extremely rich and extremely lean will have colder exhaust gas temperatures.
I noticed you have 3 circuit carbs, can those ever be (not) fun to work with.
Very interesting build!
Thanks for the kind words .. I'm looking forward to getting it in CASPER and seeing how it does at the track now!
I think that motor should be making 750 HP. I think the carbs need a lot more tuning and the intake needs to be modified or changed. Send the carbs to a specialist and have them recalibrated. I think a CID style large plenum single plane would be the ticket for that motor, I know you want the look but there is something missing here. You will find it.
Yes, it is true a carburetor can do everything that fuel injection can do. However the pad to get there is so much simpler with fuel injection. A simple few keystrokes and cylinder 2 cylinder AFR is in line. I really love the content and brings a new appreciation for the all timers that I used to do this day in and day out. Tuning a carburetor and high-performance applications is truly an art and science
Great info and that things sounds so so so sweet!!! Can't wait to see this thing going down the track!!!
Thanks NSB.. I want a Lenco behind this thing so bad!
Andy
Always learn things from your videos Andy......Thanks
Thanks Bob!
First steps taken
Looking forward to seeing the magic 700
Sounds and looks a treat Andy
Thanks Andy and happy birthday. So much good stuff in this one. Really appreciate you sharing this with us because I know it was a long time coming. I like all the carb tuning that you showed because not many people show that especially to the detail that you do. I happy that you have a running engine because I’m guessing you’re amped up to do more now that you’ve broken through that threshold. Looking forward to part 3. Regards.
Thanks Mike! I'm glad you enjoy the videos... I want people to see what all goes into making HP... I want to show the good and bad.... That is what you will see on Unity Motorsports Garage
Andy
Wow .. very impressive!
Thanks, we still have more left in it!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Such a cool motor!! Nice job i want one now!!!👍
Thanks for the kind words! I feel that the Hammerhead Performance Engines heads are the best as cast head for a SBF!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Great job!. Taking FoMoCo to the next level. Watch out Tony. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Andy....700HP+
Thanks Cameron! It was a great birthday getting to hear it run for the first time... Hopefully we will get it past 700hp
Andy
Happy Birthday!! Love your channel and Tony does not stand a chance!!! FOMOCO all the way!! Awesome!!!!!
It's going to be interesting!!
Andy
Motor sounds real healthy!! Best of luck with it!👍👍👍👍
Thanks! It sounds so good in person... #nonamenationals here we come!
Very nice 👍👍
Thanks Hippie! We are getting it there... Slowly but surely
Andy
Congratulations, Andy. That dude sounds badass. I know that feels good. Thanks for the education and sharing.
Thanks Bill... It's been a long time coming.. Thanks for Watching
Andy
HELL YEAH BRO!!! And happy late Birthday Andy!! What a great birthday present! She's gonna be a runner!!!
EDIT: A ton of good info in this video!!
Thanks Jody! I can't wait...
Andy
Bring it on that held my attention from start to finish back in the day I had a Windsor that had the bottom end bogs went carb crazy changing carbs and jets added A 2inch plate set it on fire I'm glad you mentioned gas mileage I ran 4.11 gears and gas mileage was granny good
OHFUCKYEAHBUD! Caint wait!
It sounds so smooth. Congratulations on your hard work. Your knowledge of carburetors has helped me. I knew enough to keep my stuff running. You sharing your knowledge has allowed me to make improvements. Making 2 dominators work in harmony is still out of my comfort zone, by a lot. Lol. Thats a bad ass engine.
I'm glad they have helped you! Thanks for the kind words and watching..
Andy