Modern Spider-Man Comics Are Horrible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- I've been sitting on this rant for a while now and I think it's time I finally get it out there, because it really frustrates me. I love Spider-Man. I grew up with the character and always found a huge sense of comfort from his stories. I've been reading the characters' stories since I was 6 years old. I used to drag around comics with me everywhere I went and I'd just sit by myself and read them because I was a very weird introverted kid. Ever since Spider-Man One More Day, this character has just been completely lost. There's been very little done with him that's actually well-written or has led anywhere, and I'm really sick of it. The recent issues have seen Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson split up (for probably the trillionth time because drama sells) with MJ now dating a man named Paul and Peter just getting scorned by every superhero in the Marvel Universe. I wish I could say I'm excited for the Spider-Man Black Cat romance with Felicia Hardy but I don't even care about that. The whole franchise has become a joke to the point where if you want Spider-Man, flashback issues and Miles Morales are really the way to go. #spiderman #comics #milesmorales
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This is also another reason why insomniacs take on Spider-Man is such a breath of fresh air. They allowed him to grow into an adult and move forward with his life while still being the Spider-Man we all know and love
been saying it since the game came out. PS4 Spider-man is what mainline comics Spider-Man should have been
They done that in the comics already, specifically the mcfarlane era
That's because they're not burdened with having to keep him going forever like the comics are
@@bigwhopper6501 his stories and artwork were childish.
@@johnpglackin345 I wasn't talking about that, I was referring to how he had peter living with mj and getting married, art work is objective
They have had no idea where to take this character for a decade and people just keep buying the comics solely because he's Spider-Man. Just another example of how brand loyalty helps nobody.
Where do you even _GO_ after One More Day? There's nowhere to take the character - it explicitly showed Quesada's dedication to never having anything change, like a bad sitcom.
For real who knew fictional characters can suffer from nepotism wtf 😂😂
@Jaquan Kelsor this is why manga is so effective and why the quality remains high - they end.
Actually it's been twenty years.
@@johnpglackin345 Even worse lmao. I don't get how marvel isn't embarassed by it but I guess its cause they keep making cash.
I felt we were so close with Nick Spencer’s run but then they just dashed everything out at the end. And now the current run is such regression of Peter’s character and relationships and it’s just a trainwreck. I recently read Invincible and Mark has more character development than Peter’s had in years.
Mark's character gets put through the fucking ringer in the Invincible comics because Invincible as a whole is meant to explore a universe of superheroes where consequences last and there's no magic reset button. Invincible is about accepting the consequences of your actions and the reality of your situation so that you can move forward. Invincible is in my opinion the best representation of a superhero comic that talks about issues that people in real life have through the lens of this larger than life, fantastical, and ultra violent universe. It also helps that Invincible had a conclusion unlike every other story put out by DC and Marvel.
@@andrewgarrett1356 Mark also is allowed to be more human, like you said he makes mistakes, accepts them and moves forward trying to be better, but when he know he will have a child, he asks his dad when he will stop being scared, and he says “You’ll be scared your entire life”
Thats just a real good moment, really human and mature, thats not something you’ll get in Spidey soon
@@andrewgarrett1356 even the boys has much more heavy consequences that lasts and has a much better story than both Marvel and DC combined
Spencer’s run was great up until Hunted (vol. 4?). After that, Spencer couldn’t let go of Kindred. We just got beat over the head with this character for 10 more volumes. And when we all thought he’d retcon one more day, he ended up doubling down on it.
I’ve never been more disappointed with a promising run. The only thing the at even comes close is Morning Glories, another Spencer boom that started good and then went nowhere.
The guy just can’t stick a landing. He writes great characters and dialogue, but he can’t structure a story.
Norman Osborn has more character development than Peter. His series(Gold Goblin) is actually really good.
I love Spider-Man, he's easily my favorite Marvel character. But Marvel's desire to keep him entrapped in misery and struggle makes reading his comics depressing. Spidey is a character that could and should inspire hope. Instead Marvel opts to do the opposite. It's beyond frustrating.
It is
This is why I switched to manga, deku is a character that inspires hope
@@BowmansWorld No clue what you're talking about
@@ravenwhiteduck6460 Deku is legit one of the most False positivity characters in manga lol. Guy's a boring goody two shoes with a deus ex machina for a power. Comic fans have literally the worst taste in anime lol with the whole "hero" obsession in them. Comics would be so much better with good stories instead of capeshit all the time
@@kanseidorifto5367 🧢
Lately, Spider-Man has been written by people who either don't really care about the character or only want to use him to make their mark in the industry. I don't think he'll ever get better so I've resorted to reading and creating independent comics. There's a lot of cool stuff out there that offer what we love about Peter. Nonetheless, this was a great video
Comic fans give the movies and games like a joke but tbey have a better grasp on the character than the comics
I agree, the Spider-Man comics nowadays stinks, writing and bubblegum artwork stinks. The only Spider-Man comics that I read now is the daily comic strip ones that is currently drawn by Alex Saviuk. The work in the comic strip brings me back to the golden age of comics in the 70s through the 90s.
@@OuterRealm99
Wait, they’re still doing the newspaper strip comics? I thought they stopped when Stan Lee died?
@@Wiki1184 Yep, they are still doing the Spidey newspaper comic. The art is drawn by Alex Saviuk who still does a wonderful job keeping that nostalgic artwork from the 80s & 90s
It's an issue of comics culture. It used to be creators came from ordinary backgrounds. Comics used to be cheap. Now their rich kids writing for rich kidsa dn comics cost a fortune.
The issue of Spider-man is he lived an ordinary life with ordinary struggles, he wasn't particularl unlukcy, his secret hero double life had the impacts you'd expect on his real life when you aren't a millionaire funding it and your secret identity matters a lot.
Idiots like Joe Quasda thought this means he is destined for misery. It was never like that. Peter's and ups and downs where like normal people without money would have in their every day lives.
It's why Aunt May was important in the Spider-man status quo. Having a parent you need to care about and not have them worry about you added responsibilities to Peter, whicha dded up writing tension. However modern writers are out of touch. JMS really "Got it" at first, until OMD and then went off the boil.
External Spider-Man media has done more to advance the character than the comics have since the JMS era. Raimi Trilogy, Insomniac, No Way Home, Spectacular Spider-Man, all so, so good, all building on that character we all know and love. But the comics....ughhhh. If I still had hair, I'd rip it out at how FRUSTRATED I am with what they are doing to my boy.
@BowmansWorld First, great grammar there, genius. Second, I never said that there was no inspiration from comics (The first Spider-Man film is a love letter to the Steve Ditko era of comics, after all). But recent comics (as in post One More Day) have been spinning their wheels for years (natural exception to Superior Spider-Man which, though I wasn't a fan, was at least a new direction). As for Ps4 being "based" on Dan Slott's run, I'd argue that. "Inspired by" I can believe, because the majority of Slott's creative and character decisions are quite absent there. But even then, it's a wholly new story that takes INSPIRATION from various comics (I'm sure Slott was amongst them, alongside Bendis's run on Ultimate Spider-Man, JMS's run in the Noughties, and some Ditko and Romita era stories to boot). My POINT is that while the comics keep coming back to the same old thing, these stories are taking the threads from the sixty-plus years of Spidey and doing something new while staying true to the past. Slott's run after Superior DID NOT DO THAT. Big Time through Superior was pretty dang good (and Spider-verse is always fun), but after that, he was just spinning his wheels or going off the rails (case in point of the latter, Red Goblin. Seriously, what was that?), and the post-Slott runs are even worse. At least Slott had ideas, at least Slott and JMS before him were creative, but now? It's either retreading old, tired ground or doing needless retcons that destroy beloved characters (seriously, did we REALLY need the Goblin to be a demon? That was idiotic). JMS, though bogged down by editorial mandates and some out-there ideas, wanted to take Peter and let him grow past the "kid hero." So did Slott with Big Time, but he kept returning to the status quo too. Peter Parker has been a 16 to 30-year-old for far too long. Heck, he only just turned 30 not long ago. He should have been a dad long ago. He's not a kid anymore, but writers keep reverting him to one (either literally or figuratively, including Slott, who made Parker Industries a thing). He grows, then reverts. Grows, then reverts. Over and over and over. He should be an old-timer amongst superheroes by now, but he's still treated like a kid. Let him be married. Let him be a dad. Let him be a mentor. Yeah, bring back the early Slott run and JMS run (sans Sins Past. Screw that story). Let. Him. Grow. Tobey's Spider-Man is an older man now. Tom's Spider-Man is growing past his roots. Andrew's Spider-Man has always walked his own path. Insomniac Spider-Man is Miles's teacher. But 616 Spider-Man? He's stuck. The last interesting thing he did was swap bodies with Doc Ock. He's treading water, and that was the point of my comment, genius.
@BowmansWorld Dude, I praised Big Time. I love Big Time. And no, I don't want Pete to suffer. I WANT HIM TO GROW. And I want the growth (like in Big Time) to be PERMANENT. I don't want him to return to the status quo. But HE KEEPS REVERTING TO THE STATUS QUO. But in terms of growth, some suffering is necessary. But not Clone Saga-level suffering, because that's just long, drawn out, and stupid. No, I wanted Slott to stick with stories like Big Time. I didn't enjoy Superior, but I didn't hate it either. It just wasn't my cup of tea. And Red Goblin just felt needless, but that's my OPINION. I'm allowed to have those, right, genius? Look at Parker right now. All the good stuff from Big Time is GONE. And yeah, I'm still pissed about One More Day because it was garbage and has held Spidey back FOR YEARS.
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WALL OF TEXT!
Seriously, how can you Critique someone's writing when you're worse.
Spider-man needs some new villains. The youngest memorable villain is Mr. Negative, and his debut was like, 15 years ago.
I don't think he needs new villians....they've added tons of new villians in the last 10 years. You probably don't even remember most of them.
What they should do is make a lengthy story arc with a main villian other than Norman or Venom. They should add some character depth to a sinister 6 villian....because outside Otto and Norman....its not done in over 30 years.
@@coreymartin6486 How many lenghty story arcs in Spider-Mans books future Venom heavily tho?
@@animationunlimited2958
Yeah Venom hasn't been a real villain in years
This is why i prefer to read the mc2 comics where Peter has a family with Mary Jane and his daugther is spider-girl
Good thing they're adapting that now with Peter B.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732facts this will prove marvel wrong that Peter can still be relatable as married man
@@jacobrivera1721 marvel's been proven wrong time and time again they don't care
Even if there is a run written by someone who does an amazing job, the next writer can just undo it all. It'd be extremely frustrating as a writer to create a good story to know that it'll just be retconned or ignored later, and that's why spider-man comics make no progress. Nothing they write will end up mattering.
I feel like that’s a problem with comics as a whole.
i.e. like Immortal Hulk as well lol
Marvel did their job well by making me what nothing to do with Peter Parker anymore.
And that’s sad cuz I loved the character since I was a kid, but marvel will never change.
Yeah I remember when I was in 2nd grade me and some friends always talked about Toby's spiderman films and I rewatched them last year and they are still pretty damn good films but marvel could never achieve something like that again and I quit being a marvel fan back in 09 I believe
I don’t know if you guys would like the character from insomniacs work, but I think they did a very good job on making Pete grow more, and he’s an adult finally, having the troubles most of us would have as he used to, they also did a really good job with Miles morales in my opinion.
@@void-master9077 insomniac’s spider man is goated.
For me, Peter parkers story ended with the Spencer run they got rid of sinspast (thank god) and left peter in a fairly happy end with him ending with mj and also explained why one more day happened and we got a glimpse of mayday parker again
Also one of my favorite runs was "Renew your vows"
One thing Slott did that I thought was interesting was have Peter be the head of a company. With as smart as Peter is, it's seemed like a natural fit.
But dr octopus built the company and peter parker screwed it up and destroyed it. Slotted wrote Peter as a screw-up too!
@@sonnywoods6846Granted, from what I remember, Peter lost the company because he was found guilty of plagiarism (because when Octavius went back to College in Peter’s body to get his doctorate, he didn’t account for his writing style compared to Peter’s, so for anyone who isn’t aware of the body swap, it would look like Peter plagiarized).
But I also wasn’t the biggest fan of Peter running a big company. There were a few factors; It was connected to Otto’s work so it didn’t feel like something Peter built and earned, it made him too much like Tony Stark (even using Tony’s old story of a superhero being his bodyguard), and it didn’t feel very “Neighbourly” of Spider-man. Peter being a Science teacher seems like a better fit. Either that or having a small “company” akin to Octavius Industries in the Insomniac game
@@moviehermit5631 Peter lost his graduate Degree and his job at the Daily Bugle because of plagiarism. At the bugle, Peter was in charge of the Science and tech column.
Plagiarism wouldn't cause Peter to lose a billion-dollar company.
I just copied and paste this crap Because I can't remember off the top of my head why Parker Industries went under. The text below is from wiki
During the Secret Empire storyline, Otto Octavius, in the form of Superior Octopus, approached Peter Parker in order to get him to pass ownership of Parker Industries back to him. When Peter Parker refused the offer, Superior Octopus had the Hydra agents blow up the London branch of Parker Industries. As Peter flees to the Hong Kong branch of Parker Industries, Octavius attempts to implement various security protocols he had added to all Parker Industries tech, that allows him to retake control of anything developed by the company.[20] But Peter turns the tables on Octavius by ordering his employees to literally destroy the company in order to hurt Hydra, thwarting Octavius's attempt to shut down his new high-tech suit with an EMP by reverting to his traditional costume and turning the EMP trick against Octavius, so that his own tentacles attack him. Octavius is forced to flee the battle. Peter's decision to destroy the company yielded mixed reactions, though some of his employees and Aunt May applauded Peter for refusing to give into Hydra.
@@moviehermit5631 I agree I hated the fact that the only time Peter Parker was successful was not because of him and hi intellect but because of a villain Dr. Octopus. I hated that Superior Spiderman BS! Because Dan Slott made Peter look incompetent compared to Octavius. Because I am like Peter Parker doesn't have to be a fck up to be interesting. Why can't he grow as a character?
@@sonnywoods6846 he did that...BECAUSE he HAD to reset the character after his run. Slott built spidey THE MOST character wise
The Big Time Arc was all about Peter's growth. He has a full time job, was upper middle class and then even the End of Earth event had him lead the AVENGERS in taking down Doc Ock
“Spider-man the black issue” boy does that sound bad taken out of context
One More Day... I still see it in my nightmares...
very symbolical, Peter chose Mefisto over TOAA, well it's cursed now
You know it hurts even worse because the beginning of Nick Spencer's run on Spider-Man was genuinely really good and looked like we might finally be getting back in the direction of pre OMD Spider-Man. Only to have the rug pulled out from beneath you at the end.
At this point I'm done keeping up with amazing Spider-Man, but I'll definitely have to check out the Miles Morales run though.
I need Chip Zdarsky to write Spider-Man asap, imo Spider-Man: Life Story was great and Zdarsky is doing great work with Daredevil and Batman
He did for a little bit
Him, Conway, or JM demantis
@@retronerds6884 Zdarsky
@@Dylanisa_BasketCase anybody is better than current writer
Zdarsky has gone on record to say that he doesn't want to write Spider-Man because he knows the fans will dogpile on him if he does something they don't like, which is entirely fair under the circumstances.
The problems do not start with One More Day. They start farther back than that. As soon as Peter and MJ got married in ASM annual #21 in 1987 the editors started panicking. The Clone Saga (which I kind of like as a kind of conclusion to classic Spider-Man comics) was an attempt to write Peter out of the main title, let him grow up, and replace him with a younger hipper version of himself. Well that didn't work and they squandered what goodwill that story had built up. Then they brought Aunt May back after her incredibly well written death in ASM 400. This was also where the plotline with baby May got all screwed up too. If you want to read where THAT version of Peter Parker gets to grow up, read Tom DeFalco's Spider-Girl which picks up immediately after The Gathering Of Five (which incidentally, sucked). One More Day was the SECOND attempt to reboot Spider-Man.
Anybody with common sense in editorial would see that everytime they try to reboot or keep peter young it resulted in the worse stories or writing in spiderman history clone saga,sins of the past, omd, the entirety of slott runs, wells run etc
On one hand, I was pissed they brought May back. Her death was absolutely beautiful. Bringing her back was a slap in the face to such a perfect end to the character. However, it did at least give us "Aunt May vs The Chameleon."
I love spider-man but at this point I would love a story line where Peter and Mary Jane have a kid and then we go into Peter learning how to be a parent and their kid having the same or similar powers struggling mentally because maybe they feel maybe they won't be as good as their father and then slowly over time learning their own strength and weaknesses and eventually learning that they don't have to be their dad and finally become their own them their own spider person. It might be pretty basic but at least it is different from most of the stories of spider-man and not just Peter suffering
It alteady existe. We called Spider-Girl, A.K.A Mayday Parker, it's REALLY good, you should give It a try
Fun fact: the letters in Spiderman's name form an anagram for his secret identity, "A Simp Nerd."
I’m 100% with ya! Spider-Man is my All time favorite superhero!!! He was my hero and role model (to an extent) growing up!!!! But yea the comics for Spider-Man since one more day have really been hit or miss (more miss) and in a way felt like the reset Peters journey in a way (which is kinda wack)
It’s like only in alternate universes Peter can be with Mary Jane.
Renew your vows was the best thing that happened to Spider-Man in the last decades. Too bad they are just too cowards to make him a dad.Technically they have Miles for teenage stories, but they insist to trap Peter in his twenties.
@@lucaraiti6780 they probably think miles isn’t as interesting as Peter.
@@spider-manunknown9193 but they are the ones establishing that.
Honestly I haven't read mainstream Marvel or many comics in general for a while. The Last SpiderMan I had was that first run with Morlun that I got in a collected volume. Ultimatum was the final straw with the scene of Blob eating Wasp. That was it for me. I have older stories that I enjoy, and now migrating into Snyders Batman run with Court of Owls.
Y'know that's the thing I've noticed about Marvel. Last year or maybe the year before that, Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man and Immortal Hulk were some of the hottest things on the shelves. There were interesting plots, character development and everything. Then when those writers' terms are done, it's like the next writers either didn't follow from where the series left off and build on that or they said "Fuck this shit" and produce stories so shit that I swear that I'm reading fanfictions. And the worse part is, Marvel seems to prefer these type of writers because how else do their terms last so long.
The current Spider-Man comic books I just trash now!!! It’s was hopeful with his marriage to Marry Jane. Now it’s just depressing!!!
Spider-man can't even talk to black cat these days
I said to a friend that Spider-Man comics were a joke nowadays. He said that they're meant for kids and that's why I don't like them, because they're not for me anymore.
Then I read other superhero comics and I see that I'm not wrong.
I’ve never seen fans this completely united in not liking a run. Slott was controversial even in the second half where he was terrible, a lot of people defended it. A good amount of people loved Spencer’s run for the first 60 issues but some were understandable sick of waiting for the mystery. I haven’t seen anyone that likes the current run. And that’s because there really isn’t much to like outside of Osborn.
The worst part of OMD was that Peter abandoned his ability to accept responsibility (which he was able to do with Ben & Gwen) and said “I can’t accept that she’s dying because it’s my fault.” Which I guess makes splitting up Peter & MJ ironic because the reason she got married to him was that responsibility defined him and that he wouldn’t deflect his mistakes like her father or try to escape them like herself.
The Lost Hunter miniseries by DeMatteis is pretty good rn as well.
When it came to the soap opera elements in Spider-Man comics I think that Stan Lee was the only one who could write em well
Roger Stern was great, too!
Guys I’ve realised something… Peter Parker is marvels Ted Moseby
I write an argument paper on why ultimate spider man is great introduction to comics and it highlighted spider man 616 inconsistent and often regressive writing. Like the man has been in mid 20s for years let him grow up.
I don't think any fan minds their hero not being perfect (as you said, that would be boring), but no one wants to see their favorite character be a "screw-up". We miss the days when our heroes were actually heroic and did things to overcome the challenges in their lives rather than wallow in their failures.
16 years are a lot of time, time to do something to revive the character before it's too late.
For some reason there's a habit of them taking good characters like Peter Parker or Tim Drake (also Dick Grayson to an extent) and taking away the relationships they had that were good and iconic and then giving them and/or the people they were with way less interesting partners after making them break up either for the sake of drama or attempting character development I don't agree with and more importantly dragging it out too long and doing it over and over again
I'm Borderline as I've brought up but Spider-Man is a character that different people neurotypical or otherwise can relate to, and for me that is admittedly partially because of the crap that I am constantly going through as someone who can't really sustain relationships due to the Borderline but at the same time I just want him and MJ to just be together (the story of Spider-Man is supposed to be mostly optimistic despite a fair amount of bad things happening to him, and I want for him what I want for myself), and at the very least if there's drama I want it to be more interesting than Paul...Black Cat is good, Peter can actually work with her or Gwen pretty well...but when it comes to MJ related stuff they're being weird
Life story is the only recent run i enjoyed. Plus that's the reason i go and buy old comics and that goes for both dc and marvel. The new comics just don't hit at all
I haven't purchased a single Spiderman comic since One More Day.
I only like Bendis and Stan Lee's Spider-Man as well as the Sam Raimi movies
i meant both spider man ps4 and no way home actually delveoped the character way better than the comics, in the game peter has accepeted to let is aunt may go with the cure for others and no way home was literlly the better version of one more day
Technically No Way Home is a weird mix of One More Day and One Moment In Time (O.M.I.T. whose sole existence was because of Quesada being mad at the fans not understanding what really happened in OMD).
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 still no way home is the one more day we should have gotten
My tinfoil hat theory is that Marvel wants to devalue Spider-Man as a brand since they don’t own the film rights. It’s similar to the whole Inhumans vs X-Men thing a few years back
I read and collected Spidey comics from 1988 to 2008. After a series of crap storylines (clone saga, Norman and Gwen, and finally One More Day) I quit, and sold off my collection. It's sad to see that I made the right decision.
It feels like Marvel as a company just likes to annoy fans of Spider-Man and his comics are now just a big afterthought compared to his movies and games.
Which wrong
Spider-Man: The Lost Hunt is a current Spider-Man miniseries that is good. Like the Ben Reilly mini you mentioned, it's written by JM Dematteis (one of the greatest Spider-Man writers ever) and takes place in the 90s
I stopped reading shortly after One More Day. Thanks for letting me know I didn’t miss anything.
Jay, I completely agree with everything you said about the current modern Spider-Man comics.
Ever since one more day happened Spider-Man comics has definitely had a significant drop and if you want even more of an example of how bad is gone check out dark web and it speaks for itself.
To be honest I'm hoping that they would keep the Black Cat Spider-Man romance going. And if I'm also being honest I definitely enjoyed the Symbiote Spider-Man Crossroads run that they did which I thought was a fun enjoyable series during Spider-Man's time with a black suit aka the Venom symbiote.
One other thing though is that I will never forgive Marvel for what they did to Ben Riley who in my opinion was a true successor to the Spider-Man Legacy before they degraded him as the Jackal and Chasm.
Chasm sucks
I've been reading Spidey since the late 70s, when my grandma used them to teach me to read. I've been through all the highs and lows. However, around 5 or 6 years ago the lows were too much. I had to stop. Not just Spidey but all comics in general. If Marvel didn't care about their flagship characters, what did that mean for the B and C list characters? I still buy omnibus reprints of old runs but no more floppies, and I was buying about 40 books a month.
As for Spidey and MJ, I had thought that based on Mephistos wording "I want your love. You will know deep inside something is gone..." That the way to reverse OMD was for them to refind each other, to realize the love that was missing so when they did honesty tell each other they love each other, then they beat the devil. Or at least something.
But no, they want to take a 60 year old character and make him a millennial when they have a young Spidey with Miles. The audience grows up and they want to let younger audiences to discover Peter. They fail to see that if the older audience nopes out, who is going to introduce the new audience?
I definitely agree with you and it’s sad that they keep making Peter’s comics worse and worse over time especially with him being Marvel’s flagship character…. I do want to add another Spidey book that was good that you haven’t mentioned was Renew Your Vows.
I was born post one more day and even I won’t stop complaining about it
They have no clue what they want to do with spidey and then keep wanting him to never grow up again and some of the grown up spiderman aren't good like the run the disney stars wars director made and it wasn't good. The clones are treated worse than peter himself
I just want Superior Spider-Man to return in some form. The concept is so unique, and I don't want it to just be abandoned in favor of status quos.
I agree. Sadly, with Otto’s deal with Mephisto, it seems this character is heading towards his own status quo. He might get stuck, just like Parker has been since his own Mephisto deal. It almost seems like Mephisto is the personification of these writers’ unwillingness to let Peter or Otto have any growth or character development.
I think not just Spider-Man, but many Superheroes are suffering with that. That's why I prefer to read titles like Moon Knight, Daredevil... Comics that don't suffer with the same pressure as Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman... Today the best things related to Spider-Man it's the games and Spider-Verse.
"Modern Spider-Man Comics Are Horrible" -- Comic book guys at any point in history
That's what I like about the Spider-verse movie and also the second movie that will come out, is that they break through the rules that the comics can't or dont want to.
They made Peter b Parker older, and he is with MJ together at the end.
And in the trailer for the second movie, he has a kid!😃🥰
That's so cool, and i love that they break through that formula that he is always this young Highschooler all the time.
Because there not a lot of comics that explores the peter being a father and a older and more experienced side of it.
And i hope that the comics take inspiration of the Spider-verse peter, and just move on, and let peter grow for once.
Because it's been almost over 60 years that he is the same young peter parker. (with a few comic versions of him being older that are not well known, or executed properly. )
The only modern run of Spider-Man that I thought was pretty good was Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man (2019). At least from what I read, it is pretty good.
The main problem woth Spider-Man is the editors and writers. Not to mention the over-saturation of spider-powered heroes (I refuse to call them Spider-Totems because that is a load of garbage) and the fact that they refuse to let Peter move forward with his life.
As an amatuer writer myself, I've been thinking of what I would do if I was ever given the job of writing Spider-Man comics, and I've got a few ideas that might be pretty good.
He thinks of MJ as a sister now... a character he's been in love with for decades and they turn it into that. I don't think much else needs to be explained.
But I appreciate your video
It would made sense if it was someone like either Spider-Gwen, Jessica Drew, or any female friend that Peter Parker has been around but never romantically involved.
A sister? Who he crushed on for years and had endless sex with for years on walls and ceilings and "every way a spider can" to the point that he could pick out every single genital freckle she has in a blind police line up?
Sounds legit... (please add sarcasm here).
I stopped buying spiderman after omd. I had hoped things would be fixed over time but after a decade I've given up. Decades of character development down the drain.
I think that's what Nick Spencer wanted put Peter back as an adult I mean but CB sobulski in an interview basically admitted that they changed his arc
Which is stupid
Okay, if you know your recent Spidey history (or just paid attention to the video) you'll get me. One More Day happens, we revert Peter to an iteration of the character no one frankly asked for (younger, unattached, can't keep a job or girlfriend). Despite that, Brand New Day does have some worthwhile stories. Slott's run has some highs, especially Superior, as well as some lows. Spencer's run starts out well enough, does go off the rails, but the final outcomes are worthwhile (undoing Sins Past, on track to undo OMD). The current run is an undoing of that last undoing. With each run, starting after OMD, we simply keep reverting back to a Brand New Day style status quo. With Zeb Wells and Joe Kelly doing writing in the current run, we're even cycling BND era writers back into the fold. We've done everything we can with this iteration of Peter. Pete has not had substantial growth that has lasted; any moments wrap up at the end of an arc or volume of a writer's work on the character.
NORMAN OSBORN has had more growth in recent years than Peter. Mary Jane isn't even a character anymore, she exists purely as the carrot at the end of the stick, regardless of the events of ASM #20. Her entire existence seems to just be centered around who she is in relation to Peter, she doesn't really get to be her own character anymore. I like her character, but if that's how it is going to be, then I think we need to write her off for a while.
Let Peter age. I am nearing 30, and I can tell you my responsibilities and power (as small and minuscule as they are) have only grown. I can also tell you, Miles Morales has had great books and he can be the young Spider-Man. You can even do an anthology book for a younger Peter, or a renewed Ultimate Style book. There are also books like Peter David's Symbiote Spider-Man which just sets itself in the past for 5-6 issues at a time. We have options to do young-Pete stories. I wish Marvel would let ASM allow Peter some growth, because it is clear there is no endgame and no growth trajectory for him as a character. Shock value isn't a character arc.
they need to have the renew your vows version be in the main timeline at this point
I agree that Renew Your Vows is a much more interesting concept than Peter and MJ breaking for the twenty thousand times. If you want to give MJ spider powers, have it be fall out Spider-Island, where the cure used to save the city didn't work on her as result she has powers.
Agreed do what DC did kill off the current mj and peter and replace them with the renew your vows versions
11:47 what comic is that or issue I really liked unlimited so anything with that world character I would like to read
Besides Nick Spencer’s run, Spider-Man storylines have sucked for the most part over the past 15-20 years. Ever since he took off his mask in Civil War (which was totally out of character btw) Marvel unraveled a lot of cool stuff going on at the time for Spider-Man. Civil War had a huge impact on the continuity of Marvel, and One More Day was the nail in the coffin for Pete’s growth as a character: unraveling what JMS did to bring Pete and MJ back together after they were separated. Marvel editorial hates Peter Parker, his relationship with MJ, and their readership who’ve been supporting them for decades. Thank god for back issues and Spider-Man: Life Story, otherwise I wouldn’t be reading Spider-Man comics. Nuff said!
The only good thing that resulted in him taking off his mask was the eventual back in black story arc where he destroys kingpin.
@@coreymartin6486 exactly that's a top 5 story Spidey story
I love the onslaught of youtube videos just saying that Marvel needs to be better with Spidey. Hopefully they get the message.
I've been buying some Miles stuff recently for the variant covers, I'll have to actually get them out and read them. They're doing a clone saga for Gwen now as well, not sure if it's any good or not. I have a couple of the issues though for the same reason, I'll break one out and read it too. I'll definitely check out Ben Reily though as always loved Scarlet Spider. Do you know if they've released a Volume with the first bunch of comics in yet? I usually prefer getting stuff I want to actually read in this format.
I really should just buy a tablet and switch to digital TBH though, would be a lot cheaper. Also as I still spend money on Variants I could totally justify it.
I just want MJ and Peter to be together and have a family.
Marvel hates relationships apparently and I swear to every god in every pantheon that if they ever have Reed Richards and Sue Storm-Richards get a divorce I’m done with their comics forever. I’m serious, I will genuinely never pick up a marvel book again if that happens
I'd like Spider-Man to be a dad. As someone who is autistic, I think if Peter Parker gave autistic people an example of a stable life, it'd be very powerful.
Good thing, Peter B. is now being the adaptation of MC2 Peter as a father to Mayday.
One More Day has certainly been a brand damager. Like I wasn’t in the comics during that time but it really goes and betrayed what Spider Man and Peter Parker was all about. It’s all about responsibility and the consequences we have to carry. Like this could have been an Uncle Ben moment. A turning point in Spider Man’s life. Where Aunt May dying is the end of her chapter, but a start of a new one with Peter. But he ended up running away and hiding from those consequences. He avoided consequences and taking responsibility. And is now in this eternal loop where in all honesty, he should be married to MJ by now.
Like I’m with you, I like the pairing of Spider Man and Black Cat a lot more. But Peter and MJ are fucking iconic. He should have married her and already have kids by now. And for those people that say making Peter a father and aging him up would “alienate young readers”, like do these people think the readers wouldn’t want to see Peter as a dad and imagine him as their dad? Or just the concept of your dad being a superhero? I think you can have a lot of people connect with father Peter. Having to deal with the dangers of having your identity exposed, and along with the parental problems you might have to deal with. Actually test the relationship of Peter and MJ that are married. Explore that kind of drama. Like if they want a soap opera, you can still continue the plot without it constantly going around in circles where nothing is progressing.
And it’s also a part where I think people WANT Peter happy. That there can still be problems, but we want to see him get a major W once in a while. Him being happy and having a loving family? That would be good enough for me. But right now he’s been nothing but an immature and whiney brat who is in his 20s, maybe his fucking 30s by now, IDK. But if they think people want to sit through this for another decade, then they got another thing coming to them.
I agree with everything here, but I was caught a little off guard at the end there... Lex Luthor made a Congresswoman drink piss in Batman V Superman?! I remember the weird pause before the explosion. But that was piss?!!!
Yeah
I’ve giving the current run until issue 24 and if they fumble explaining why Peter and MJ aren’t together and why she’s with Paul I’m quitting the series
it'll never be a good reason -its just change for the sake of change and then status quo then change again, drop it and let it flop,
What do you think of Spider-Man’s life story ?
I absolutely agree- when I found out about One More Day all those years ago, I felt that they ruined so much about Peter Parker & all the other impacted characters such as Mary Jane. For a long time, I've been known to state that Aunt May should have passed and Peter Parker should have been made to deal with her passing.
Now, with what I've been hearing with current stories, I simply find myself continuously disappointed with how they keep Peter Parker from truly developing - progressively deafening his impact as a character.
Though he is the legendary original, let Peter evolve and develop as a fictional character of a man (says a guy who continuously struggles to develop as a significant and impactful adult himself...).
All the best.
Being a Spider-Man comic fan sucks. 30 years of brilliance, then the Clone Saga makes a wreck of things and the character struggles for nearly a decade, then an ASM writer finally pulls things together only for Marvel to promptly kill all that progress and keep Peter in a rut for 16 years
8:18 Doctor Doom sheds a single tear.
That fouth trade for the Nick Spencer run is EXPENSIVE for no reason.
I find it hard to believe that all the heroes in the 9\11 issue didn't detect the planes before they hit the buildings. Daredevil hearing the planes alone at that altitude...anyway 🤷🏾♂️
Insomniac and no way home literally kills off aunt may, I don’t understand why keeping her alive in the comics is necessary anymore, we’ve grown pass needing her in media
Exactly she should've stayed dead in the comics asm400 was the perfect send off what the hell does aunt may even add to the comic anymore
Status Quo is God.
@@TheMaestroMizerous status quo is horrible and benefits no character
I kinda hate Dan Slott but "Superior" was the last good Peter Parker arc. Peter as co-pilot in his own body was (oddly enough) a perfect way to highlight what's great about Peter. It also shows why the Peter/Otto relationship is his most important mentor/antagonist (Connors, Osborn, Jameson, et al). As an 80s/90s reader, I think Spider-Man comics never fully recovered from the editorial power struggle over the Hobgoblin. The Clone Saga was where most of my generation of readers signed off. There were some good stories here & there but the character of Peter Parker never "felt" the same after. It hasn't ALL been bad; "Superior" was one of my favorite Spidey stories ever and I think "Avenging Spider-Man" was criminally underrated... but the Grey Goblins? Alpha? Parker Industries?! Gimme Miles, Kaine or Ben Rielly any day of the week.
I think he should’ve stayed rich cause Peter is smart enough to run his own company and it just sucks how he’s struggling now. Relationship wise I think Pete’s better with Felicia the whole nerd and bad girl dynamic it has it very good like the movie the water boy lol . Let’s be honest the whole reveal on what he did is not going to be anything new it’s either going to be he let someone purposely die or he sacrificed the wellbeing and happiness of others for himself and just in a side note they need to make this guy ripped like huge we always get skinny limber Pete like mix it up a little like the old cartoon did
I’d say the only spider man comic that hasn’t been disappointed is SPIDER-MAN “life story” by chip zdarsky, SUPER GOOOOD
Spider-Man became less of a character and more of an idea, which is dumb since Spider-Man has always been character-driven. Now there's hundreds of alternate spider people, which, which makes Peter feel irrelevant. Kaine and Spider-Man 2099 are the only alternate Spider-Men I really like because they're different from Peter and likable in their own way. Miles is just Peter with half the personality and a different coat of paint, Spider Gwen is the dumbest thing I've seen, and the other several hundred are just lame. For me, Spider-Man ended pre-civil war. The JMS run last the last consistently great run. Ever since Slott and Bendis, Spider-Man went from a roast-god who was genuinely funny to a clown who annoys the readers just as much as the villains. Spider-Man has always been my favorite character of all time and it's sad to see this happen to him. I never bought an issue from the Spencer run because I knew it was just poorly written fan-bait. Sucks to be right sometimes.
1:01 First, seeing ASM 309 brought back some feels. When I started college, I scanned that issue on a black and white scanner and then spent a lot of my free time on my computer cleaning up the scan and coloring it in so I had a nice desktop wallpaper.
At the end of 2014 I stopped regularly buying Spider-Man comics. I had been collecting and reading them since I was a kid in the 80s and yet at that point I felt I was okay with just ending it. I missed out on a lot of big story arcs and yet I don't really miss it. Nothing that I've seen or read has made me feel like I need to start regularly collecting it again. I've picked up some issues or even limited series like the Symbiote Spider-Man Crossroads but I have no desire to read about Peter Parking being built up to greatness only to be torn down to the lowest depths again. There's plenty of stories in other mediums and a backlog of comics for me to enjoy. I just don't need or want the aimless direction of the character for 15 years now.
I used to read Spiderman comics back in the 80s and early 90s when Erik Larsen and Todd McFarlane were pencilling him. Then I realised the only thing better than looking at someone else's art was to draw my own. So I did. Taught myself how to draw. Ended up too lazy to draw Spiderman and all the webbing but glad I learned to draw :)
Where are from the comic book illustrations shown in this video??????????
Weird, I just watched someone else's video about this very thing yesterday. But I agree, modern Spidey (and most modern comics in my opinion) are pretty bad, uninspired, bloated and boring. I collected the Spencer run up to issue 51 before I gave up. Not only were the books crap, but the price point for milestone numbering on back to back issues ($18 for2 issues) broke me
Yep, they don’t know what to do with him. They need to let him grow up. Marvel comics have sucked since 2011 for the most part
I've been liking some of the spiderman what if stories recently I've been reading deadly neighborhood spiderman and before that I read the storyline where he kept the symbiote suit and stopped holding back
Godzillamendoza touched on all this stuff about modern Spidey comics in his playthrough of the Ultimate Spider-Man game from 2005 which is a great watch btw. A lot of it is Dan Slott hate rants but he's pretty funny about it and makes good points about the direction Marvel has been in recent years.
Here's the thing they want to write about a younger peter parker and funny thing is that they're bringing back the ultimate universe so how about they just relaunch Ultimate Spider-Man since we know Ultimate Peter is alive after the events of Spider-Men 2. You make him 18 or 19 in college then boom you got tons of stories just with that.
Funnily enough I started collecting the Aston spider comic line from issue one and almost stopped after one more day… but I carried on and grew to like his new soft reboot but then they did him so dirty with dock ock that I bought the first 3 issues of dock ock and I was done
Firstly I can't really sign up for a membership but I love your content and will support you as best as I can (broke college kid problems). Secondly I've also connected to Spiderman early on. Not until recently have I related so much to his incarnations across media. What I don't think the editors understand right now, we connect with the character having money troubles, relationship issues, and a general feeling of the world crashing down. But after a while us the readers grow, stuff gets better and we grow up. Keeping Peter in this stagnant character arc is not relatable it's frustrating. I can't buy comics all the time and so when I can I'm excited for the next trade I can get my hands on but then I'm let down. Not because the story is bad, I actually have enjoyed different stories. Amazing Spiderman Worldwide, well the first half that I've read. I don't hate and not that I wanted them to keep that as the status quo my issue is they don't stick with anything. Like you said who cares when they make a choice because their just gonna undo the decision in a couple issues. So I'm in this love hate relationship where I'm excited by a choice or story point and then I'm reminded nothing really matters because it will most likely be undone or ignored later on. This is why I care more about the other versions of the character in other media. They can't really One More Day the Insomniac version (I hope). And all the versions outside of the comics just feel fresh and when they don't I still feel like there's something to like in there. This was a very longwinded way of saying I agree but I felt like putting my feelings on it out there. Keep up the videos!
For a good Spider-Man comic run (so far) I recommend Miles Morales: Spider-Man by Cody Ziglar.
If you want to read the ONLY worthy current Spider-Man comic, you should pickup JM Dematteis's Spider-Man: Lost Hunt
Great take, I thought the same thing when I read some of the newer stuff.
agreed and it seems like the superman comics right now are better
Black cat would be a better fit for him now. You essentially have the anti Mary Jane. Someone who can be Spiderman’s live interest during his hero life meanwhile when he goes back to being Peter Parker he’s mostly on his own. You’ll have the fun comic book power couple and then afterwards have peter stay relatable by having him deal with his personal life as an individual. And because of the nature of the relationship you can get away with it being an on and off again thing. Where they can mutually agree to temporarily break up because they have to do something on there own like Spiderman get the wrapped up in a crazy cosmic event or Black cat becoming a spy or something.
i had a sense of optimism after nick spencers run but then i picked up issue one last year and immediately stopped and have just been waiting for a new writer to take over
Yeah Spencer seemed to really care about Spider-Man. He wrote the stories as if he was personally a fan and not a sadist. I just think that he probably didn't have Uthoeurg to do whatever he wanted. There were murmurs and reports that they wouldn't let him undo One More Day, but did concede to retconning and allowing him to change Sins Past.
I don't read mainline Spiderman, I'm only readind Deadly Neighborhood and Double Trouble, so seeing this thinking you meant ALL current runs on Spiderman was a bit of a surprise.
They should just have Peter retire and have his daughter take the mantle...
I remember that when I heard about the idea behind Superior Spider-Man, I thought it was dumb and a sign of having no ideas at all. See, personally I prefer when a series I like maintain some status quo: I don't like characters losing powers, memory or being pushed into a situation that seems to be pointless, because you they will get out of it eventually (e.g. mistaken identity). I thought that would be the case with Superior SM. But then I read it. Holy shit, was I wrong. An actual analysis of SM's actions throughout the years from Doc's perspective? Him trying to improve those actions and actually be the superior SM? And even Parker's comments: Why didn't I think of that? I loved it. Plus one of my favorite characters: Anna Maria Marconi. I enjoyed that run so much, I wished more of its elements were brought to the status quo they reestablished at the end. Even though current SM is mediocre at best, Superior SM was the reason I got back into reading Spider-Man and enjoy it for the first time after that blasted One More Day and both Civil Wars.
I loved J Michael Straczynski's run, particularly the opening with Morlun. I liked a lot how he became a high school teacher at the same school that he grew up in. The character GREW, but still always let people down - missing class for students who really looked up to him, to save lives. I read hundreds of the early Spiderman comics growing up through the essentials collection, and this modern version felt like the same character - the themes were the same. He still had a bit of sass and a SPINE. He picked fights, he was smart, he felt like a New Yorker. And that's part of why the Sam Reimi movies are still my favorite, he still needed growth, but he was still mature. He was a man.
That's why I hate the modern Spiderman in the MCU. The character in the comics was barely even in high school, and even when he was, he had a job, and took care of his family. He was basically an adult even in his original issues. It's no surprise they have no Uncle Ben or sense of responsibility, in thr newest movies, modern writers don't see him as a teen of the times with the weight of the world on his shoulders, but as a modern useless teen. (Hey, I wasn't any better, but having his young aunt take care of him, constantly being under the wing of other characters, etc, it made no sense to me for who the character really was.) The character has been getting younger and younger for every animated show, but that was common for shows on kids wb, they had their 'young batman' 'teen titans who acted younger than their comic counter parts' 'static shock/young black lightning' but somewhere along the line, this young version of Spider Man stuck and is all that anyone seems to remember the character for. What happened to the 90's animated version who was built like a brick house?
I admit, I haven't seen any Spiderman movies since Homecoming. I just thought it was awful and didn't want to see any more of this baby Spiderman.
Thanks for visiting my long old man ramble.
One of the things that made Spider-man appealing and unique specifically for the era he was created in was that he was really the first character in comics that we were following his life from high school to college to young adulthood and marriage. Ever since One More Day the character has effectively been in stasis as a 20 something directionless man who just goes through whatever gimmicky storyline the writer can come up with to keep him doing things but is ultimately meaningless in service to the status quo. I won’t say that there haven’t been any good Spider-Man comics since OMD but it does all feel pretty meaningless. I truly think that if Marvel wants to get the character out of the rut he’s in they need to restore his marriage first. A storyline or miniseries that led into their marriage being renewed would sell like hotcakes and Marvel editorial knows it but is way too prideful to let it happen.
The comics department over at marvel needs a Kevin Feige type person over them. I agree these recent spidey stories have been a major let down. Especially with the on screen MCU and PlayStation interpretation of the character being really really good.
K.F. runs Marvel
Yep. It's hard to read spiderman comics nowadays. The only good runs in the last 15 years were the back in black story arc and his first encounters with Morlun.
Nowadays he's always getting the crap kicked out of him. I also don't like the effeminate way he's drawn sometimes.
They need to bring back Mary Jane and have Spiderman be a dad and family man. That would be a wonderful opportunity to explore whole new situations with the character.