The new Dacia Spring vs The People! EXCLUSIVE | Electrifying
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By now, most of us have either read, seen or heard all about the all-new Dacia Spring. When it lands in showrooms later this year, it’s going to be the most affordable new electric car on the market. Not by a few hundred pounds, either. This is going to be THOUSANDS of pounds cheaper than ANY other new electric car you can buy.
At Electrifying, we don’t just like the sound of our own voices. We like to know what you think. And since we started producing our video reviews, we’ve had thousands of comments on our channel. Some interesting, some helpful, some downright rude.
But the comments section can only tell us so much.
Which is why in this video we’re bringing you a real-life, live and kicking TH-cam comments section. Join Nicola as she invites Nichola, Sara, Alison and Richard to have a look around the new Dacia Spring - months before it arrives in retailers.
How do they rate the Spring? Has the cost-cutting gone too far in some places, or has Dacia pulled off a masterstroke and created a brilliant package? Will the range of just 137 miles be a deal-breaker for our reviewers, or has Dacia got its sums right?
Do you agree with our reviewers? Let us know in the comments below.
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Thanks everyone at Electrifying for my opportunity to be on the channel! (I am the EV geek in the brown jacket...) The video is completely representative of what we said on the day too. Really, really impressed with the Spring - it's everything a cheap, cheerful runaround should be. The right things, done right. Well done Dacia!
It was your comment that got me here :)
Did they inform you you were sitting in a Dongfeng with Dacia logo, and the technology is still the same as in 2015? You know there's no 3 fase charging? As a result it can only be used as a second car. And not in the city because you need time and space on you driveway to charge it.... You also need 1 to 2 miles to pass a semi truck. If you ever succeed in passing. So weird not one negative point was mentionned. And you guys really weren't paid to act all this?
@@thedreamfactory6964 given they all already own EV's, they'll already have a way to charge them and won't be concerned about that. They didn't drive it so didn't experience the lacklustre performance, though as the former owner of two Fiesta's with less power than the ~60hp variant it'll drive fine anywhere but a motorway (and better off the lights).
@@sIightIybored They could at least speak out the words: it is cheap, and it definitely looks and feels cheap. Just looking at the spec sheet makes you turn around. I just mis some criticism. Looks like a paid ad this video.
@@thedreamfactory6964 cynically, you could say they, pulled the same trick as the car manufacturers. Took some people, made them feel good then asked for a review.
I have a Spring, bought it last June. I live in the heart of the French countryside with winding lanes and lots of hills. I drive into the towns, to the airport, shop etc. I absolutely love it. The range is just under 300 km in the Summer and I am getting 225 km out of it in our Winters. I love it. Defrost while I'm in the house, top it up at home. Fun to drive and behaves like a small SUV which is handy on some of our roads. No complaints at all.
The WLTP is 230km. No way you get 300km out of it, sorry. WLTP is about the most optimistic range a manufacturer can quote.
Belive it or not, Dacia Spring is the only EV which can do more then VLTP. On a longer journey I can allways can go around 300 km with a consumption between 7-8 kwh/100 km. It is a very light car. Has only 970 kg.
That's more than 180 miles which on a 27kWh battery is well over 6 miles per kWh so I'm prepared to call you a big fat french liar.
@@drfisheye No, CLTC is far more optimistic.
@@alapar73 that's an admirable efficiency, but enough video's show much worse range for this car, unless you drive at low speeds (like 60kmh) with very little stopping. WLTP is measured at 80kmh. I mean, every EV gets further than WLTP if you drive slower. But people want to know the range for speeds higher than that.
Finally some manufacturers came to their senses and realised that your usual bloke doesn't need 0-60 under 5 seconds. Well done Dacia.
Agreed but still would like it a bit more lively than your actual milk float.
0-60 in 5 seconds is pretty fun tho🤣
Sadly, the top charging speed is 30kw, it's still usable if the curve is quite flat
The project manager lady in the purple, represents I'd imagine, over 60% of car drivers. No idea what most of the buttons do, I need air con and radio buttons and I'm happy. Dacia seems to have hit that perfectly.
A great video of real people from different demographics. Bravo electrifying.
And loved the outfit.
That was what I liked. We were very different people, with very different needs and expectations of our cars, but all very much enjoy our EVs as they do what we want of them. I found it fascinating that the others highlighted quite different aspects to me and really enjoyed listening to what they had to say. Off-camera it was the same - no-one made up stuff just for the camera and the editing reflected what we said over sandwiches at lunchtime too. Lovely people!
Exactly all these manufacturers for the love of everything can't make a cheap, super basic A to B electric car, it would SELL to the masses
This car is intended as a commuter city car, and nothing else. If you buy it for that reason, then you're unlikely to be disappointed. The EV market needs cars like this now. We've had all the high end £40k plus cars. The EV market now needs to cater for potential EV buyers at the opposite end of the market.... The new Renault R5 and Citroen e C3will cater for those who are willing to spend a few grand more, and want more style.....
Why does it not surprise me to see Nicola in matching trousers and umbrella…!?! 😂 Yep: it's a *city* car, with that range. I guess it's selling point is the price: more affordable than other EVs with limited range.
Nice item, and good info by the people. This should be done more often. Invite a group of 4 to "feel" the car and let them tell what they think of it.
The Dacia EV will have some competition in 2024 and 2025, with the new 200km range Citroën ë-C3 for €20k. And possibly with the Hyundai Casper?
But both are indeed €5k more expansive. At €15k this Dacia is blowing the competition out of the water.
I think the Spring is very well targeted for its market. It’s a small cheap EV and that is all a lot of people want or need. It’s cheaper than a lot of the combustion competition too, which will be great for helping EV adoption
Fun format! Congrats - so watchable and interesting
Give it 5 years when these start to hit the secondhand market & it will be great, they'll only be used as city cars so will be low mileage, what's not to like for a small city car or a second car for the school run & popping to the shops.
Exactly right. For those who simply need to get the 10 miles or so to work, and home again, used EV's like this will be just the job....
@@Brian-om2hh Yep, the average mileage here in the UK is 20 miles a day/ 140 per week, this will be ideal for many people, meny will only need to charge it once or twice a week meaning you don't even need off street parking for a home charger, just charge it when you go shopping.
In Italy it's been out since 2021. You can find 3 years old cars with low milage at 10k€
i like the fact that the charging port is were it should be on a EV at the front, not were ICE cars had the filling cap by the fuel tank.
Except if you have a frontal bump it could render your charging port useless
Except if you back in to your drive way, and your charger happens to sit at the end of your drive way.
Yeah nose in at the chargers so you can stare at the wall , great🤣
great idea but how about getting someone who has never driven an EV and let them check out the new Renault 5 later this year !!
Great idea and great to see innovation in the channel. It’s interesting to compare what the people want vs what some reviewers talk about (scratchy plastics is my personal gripe ).
Well done.
Your fashion sense is spot on! Anyone who tells you otherwise is just crazy 😂
My dad was colourblind too.
Sorry to hear that. I'm just fine thank you ❤
@@mastarce It didn't bother him much either.
I love that they added the V2L functionality. We need two cars but if the weather is good everybody is going to work and school by bike. So at least one car is most of the time at home. The Spring could there be used as an additional home battery.
As a beekeeper it would also be very useful to have access to electricity no matter there the hive is located.
V2L not V2G though……shame.
Tengo uno hace dos años y medio, 85.000km, encantado.
Really enjoyed this vid! Like how it was described as an honest little car, I think that perfectly describes the Spring its not trying to ne everything to everyone, it's happy being a daily city drive for folks wanting to change from ICE to EV.
Thanks! That was exactly what I felt and tried to get across (but fumbled it a bit, not being a pro ;-)
love how the presenter pronounced Dacia perfectly ❤
As someone who does about 30 miles a week and have access to a 2nd car for longer journeys... This is almost perfect!
Good idea to have a viewers panel, such a pity they didn't get to drive the car though. Probably worth repeating video with another panel of EV virgins once you can have a road test. Be interesting to see how the Kia 2 compares and its a shame we don't have the Nissan Sakura in the UK. Both would give the Spark a run for the money.
oh i kinda love this format
Nice colour co-ordination at the start with the Yellow Brolly and trousers and the Orange Spring. Just needed to add some Lime Green for a full house of Oranges, Lemons and Limes. As for the car, we have a Dacia already, but this is too small and not enough for range for us. Bravo to Dacia for getting it out there at that price though.
Hopefully it soon get competition from BYD Seagull 😊
This is a good idea, I’m definitely interested in this or the Renault 5, I have a Hybrid at the moment and I love it when its in electric, Renault’s hybrid system is brilliant.
that is one lovely little car! sadly i have no use for a car myself, if i need one(like twice a year), i take it from the carshare in my city.
This is a shopper, a runaround, a second car basically, that could be the gateway drug to EV for a lot of folks. As a city car tho, the real challenge is still charging infrastructure - you’ll need a long cable to dangle out of your tower block apartment. That’s not the cars fault tho - I think it’s great.
Looking forward to having a go in October - only thing for me is that given it’s a NMC battery you only want to charge to 80% regularly so probably more like 80 mile range - obviously can fully charge but imagine it will impact degradation?
and no active cooling for the battery
@@MatthewStanford51does an nmc batt need it?
For a one off here and there to 100% it wouldn't matter, but yes otherwise you shouldn't be charging past 80%. Needless to say this isn't a car for a road trip!
@@peteygti1 every battery need that. Old nissan leaf had no cooling/heating system and the degradation was awful - you could lose 20-50% after years even from charging in AC mode.
@@peteygti1 yep - all batteries do ideally to prevent degradation - obviously the Nissan leaf doesn’t have any but at least the Zoe uses the AC to help keep the temperature down
That front charging port, like the Leaf, is so good, really wish my Ariya had that
A great looking little thing, well worth a drive, and the car
Dacia is taking over the car world. Sandero is one of the best selling cars in Europe, Duster and Jogger and great for familes and now Spring is here as well, offering the best value electric car.
I could live with the bhp but the range is not quite there for me. So not for me unfortunately. Hopefully there's going to be an option to buy bigger range batteries for it in the future..
And new design is just awesome 😊😊
Not likely to be in the market for an EV,but have been looking at the Spring,and it's much nearer,t to what I would buy,then anything else available in the UK.
When its time to replace the Peugeot, this will be high on my list. Need to go over the spec though...
Your outfit matches Spring, we get it and it’s marvellous
I think it's great, I'll probably buy a used one in a couple of years. I'm a bit disappointed with the 45mins 20 -80 % charge time on a rapid charger, my 12yr old I-MiEV does it in around 20mins, but that's not really a deal breaker, I rarely ( I've only done it once) charge away from home.
Thing is though the imiev charges quick but the range is very very small that it can add. Plus its chademo although if you get the adapter you can use chademo and CCS...
I get 60 miles out of a promised 70 on each charge, there's no shortage of Chademo chargers. I can also use a type 2 slow charger in a pinch. But I've never needed to, I always charge at home using very cheap Octopus plunge price rates.
@@ziggarillo the fact you get 60 miles out of an imiev is amazing, most people get 45-50. If the aussie battery upgrade was available I'd pick one up like a shot, and the Chademo -> CSS adapter for when the Chademo chargers disappear altogether.
@@davidspencer7254 My battery holds about 90% of its original 14.5 kwh of usable power. It has hardly seen any rapid charging in its 12yrs on the road. Any example that has been charged regularly on a chademo charger will probably have deteriorated more.
I think because I drive more economically towards the end of my range, it keeps promising me 70 miles of range after the next charge, one day I hope to achieve that.
Hey, how do you get onto the test team??
Good question . More please
Has Manos dried out yet!.
@@ingatestone100 Manos wasn't there but from what Nicola was saying, he was probably still under a hand-dryer somewhere!
I was lucky, I just happened to spot them on Twitter advertising it, and on their website. Simples!
It looks quite smart for the price. The range is not that dissimilar to a honda E or a previous gen mini electric. Good little city car. How safe is it? Im not talking electronic safety aids which everyone turns off anyhow. More how it fares in a crash.
Those wheels look small and narrow. How will that impact handling and breaking? Snow and ice? Obviously been tested under these conditions but wonder if stopping distances slighter longer.
The car is very light, much like an 80s/90s Fiat Panda, so I suspect it'll be very nimble like that car was. In snow, you want a narrow-tyred car anywhere to cut through the snow. In ice, it doesn't matter what tyre you have as no grip is no grip. I suspect the stopping distance will be average - light car but small tyres.
@@richardgledhill I guess with city driving as it's main function means slower speeds and less snow and ice so no problem.
@@petearmstrong2778 As I say, for snow you want narrow tyres (just Google ice rallying). But yes, it will spend most of its time at lower speeds in any case.
we miss the most important in this video, and that is how it handles on the road, and how it is to drive. Seats etc? how are they ? Otherwise can not complain to much for the price I guess.
Excellent, next time I’d love to get involved electrifying lovely people :) #greenstripshow
Maybe one day it will come to the US ?
I want my next EV interior to made with rare alligator skin and the dashboard covered in polar bear fur..
Very nice looking nicola 👌 and the car 😀
How rude are people… love your dress sense and your videos good too! 🥰😍
You say 60k charging points in the UK? Ok... I looked at ten chargers around London and six were broken. Also how do you charge it if you live in the 25th floor of a council block in Peckam?
I have pre ordered a Spring but I am lucky as I have a drive and will only use it around town. But I know I can get back and charge it up without any worry. I already have a Dacia Jogger Hybrid so I used to the snide and car snobs make about the brand. But when you can walk into a showroom and be pay for one on a debit card, that's the difference. If you can save up and buy "cash" that's the best way.
I really love The Spring, it is an honest car and at an honest price, though a manual handbrake is a deal breaker for me, I've got used to the electric brake... that and I'm the size and shape of a silverback gorilla, tall back short legs (with a beer belly), so I'd never fit in it... but if I did (and they had an electric handbrake) I'd get one, I hope the Citroen e-C3 is a little bigger, or the Renault 5, or the Hyundai Casper or the Skoda Epiq... I might just get the Polestar 2 and concede I won't fit in a city car :)
A manual handbrake is a deal breaker? What on earth? Besides the sheer ease of a manual, there's avoiding the common malfunctions with electronic ones. My mom had to have her new car towed 3 times because it wouldn't release!
@@jamesengland7461 I was the same, hated the idea of an electric handbrake, that was until I got my Passat, now I 'd never go back.
I think you'd be surprised. I'm about 5'10" and my head was nowhere near the roof. Even with all four of us up (none of us small!) there was elbow room to spare. It really is a tardis inside due to very little front overhang as it's a dedicated platform EV. And I have a Polestar 2 and that's not much more spacious, being on an ICE platform originally!
@@richardgledhill thanks, I am still going to try and take it out for a test drive, you never know it might meet my needs, based on your experience as described, and I might even overlook the handbrake 😁
@@Finglebat Always fun having a test drive in any case! We had a Volvo EX30 for a couple of days and it has more front seat space than our Polestar 2, as it's a pure EV platform... you never know until you try! Specs on paper never tell the whole story.
Its good having people come and walk around a new car, sit in it and twiddle a few knobs for first impressions, how about them test driving it on a test track for their evaluation on handling and comfort etc . Whilst most people wont want a pocket rocket for nipping to the shops etc i think the acceleration is a bit sedentary at 14 seconds but having said that around £15,000 by todays standards isn't a bad price especiallyfor an ev.
The interesting thing is that the Renault Zoe isn't much faster. It has a lot more power, but is nearly twice the weight, and that feels plenty nippy enough. I suspect the Spring will be just fine up to 40mph which covers all city driving.
Nicola(presenter) is the best 😊
Is it better this new car or a used and older 'more premium' electric car?
If you're going for a salary sacrifice deal, the new car is better.
Obviously all cars are cheaper second hand.
Was in for a look at the polestar4 and couldn’t because and I quote “ the car has had a few problems and has forgotten how to do showroom mode so people could start it and drive off . I just said this doesn’t really show Polestar in a good light and it’s a £64k Car.
European car companies have dropped the ball and now foreign Car companies are giving people enough of what they want for a great price. It’s hard today to make a bad car it’s not like it’s the 1980’s when cars in the U.K. factories broke down two minutes leaving the production line and rusted and electrical faults. A friend bought a brand new XR3i Ford. It had a leaking sunroof from day one, a damp boot, disco lights in that the lights had a wire fault so when you pressed the brake peddle it was like a Disco light show at the back. After a year the same Car that was blazing orange (I think) was starting to fade I places and the rear spoiler was coming off. 😳😂And at the time this was acceptable.
I hold my hand up I’ve said I’m not going EV till real world is easy 300 miles and a car sensibly priced. If that new MINI out was in S form was 300 real world it would probably getting ordered if it was not £38-42k 😮 But this for a city Car at that price, MINI last generation wanted £28k for a city Car.
Dacia seems to have had a collosal improvement compared to what it was 1 or 2 decades ago. I remember those horrid Dacia Solenza or Dacia Nova models
Isn’t the weak point the lack of a liquid cooling system for the batteries ?
No, not at all. Cooling is only needed if there's warmth/heat generated. As this is the indutries lamest system on the market (charging with only a couple kW and just enough power to move it up to the end of the street in under 5 minutes) there's absolutely not to be worried about that. If your system doesn't heat up, why cool it? It could start freezing when cooling this little battery 😂.
Congratulations on putting together a more diverse group than What Car do in their magazine (overwhelmingly retired white men). (From a white man)
With all due respect, why does race come into it? Surely diversity of opinion is what matters more. As much as I enjoy this channel, the presenter and the Dacia Spring, there may have been a little more diversity here but virtually no diversity of opinion.
@@S4MM7ify totally agree about diversity of opinion, which is why having a bunch of people at the same stage in life of the same gender (and I agree race is less relevant but it doesn't help with diversity of opinion) isn't terrible helpful. The Editor agreed, but pointed out those are the people who are free on a weekday for the visit, so what is to be done...You're right these are all EV converts too.
Who has been talking bull about Nicole's fashion sense? I would give anything to even be able to sit next to her gorgeousness!
EuroNCAP safety rating...one star. Wouldn't want to be in a crash in that!
A lot of the new ncap score is related to active driver assistance tech, and isn't necessarily a true representation of how well a car will do in a crash. Not that I'm saying this is good I haven't seen the test for it so can't judge, but I wouldn't really care too much personally. It's probably safer than a bike or a scooter or even an older car.
You don't understand EuroNCAP
@@timscott3027 If you crash, it's to late. It's a good thing focus is also on avoiding accidents.
@thedreamfactory6964 and that's why it's packed with more active safety kit than the model tested.
@@davidspencer7254 Did you witness a test of this Dongfeng Aeolus, wrapped as Dacia? Please share the link.
Wow ... our 2nd EV
It's not raining on you this time either unlike your Barcelona trip for the Mini.
Oh, believe me, it was. It rained ALL day. That's why we had to move the car into the barn, which wasn't planned!
Datsuns spring electric car nice good round town fantastic price 👍
I hope the build quality isn’t indicative of Dacia’s ability to hang a ‘Prototype’ badge 🙌🤔
The Spring has been out for years, this is the second generation.
@@ziggarillo This is a huge step forward in build quality. Honestly it wouldn't embarrass a VW. It felt very solid and well screwed together with good materials used. I was genuinely surprised by this.
looks good but you can get an as good as new top of the range renault zoe with over 200 mile range cheaper
If you don't want a new car, that's obviously an option. The same comparison can be made with any car.
@@ziggarillo True but the the zoe l is great value used....
If you invite a group of people who are already committed EV users (one of whom actually works in the business!) then you'll get the response you're angling for.
It would make far more sense to invite long-term ICE users.
This car, with 100 miles more real world summer range, would be almost exactly what I've been calling for in EVs for the last DECADE. Too bad it's never going to make it across the pond for anywhere near the claimed sale price in the UK.
I like the sound of you own voice too ...
It looks nice, but I personally don't like those weird drawings on the front
your outfit is awesome, the car not too much
I think a 2 year old 50kwh renault zoe will be the better and cheaper option
And the Dacia will be around 90 miles range
What about RHD.
One 45hp stands in Helsinki. Impossible to sell....
No mention of the Spring's crash test result?
I think you mean EuroNCAP, which isn't actually a crash test.
Why do people insist on referring to non cloth, non leather seating as vegan leather?
I’ve been judging your outfit, because it’s lovely. Sorry.
This car looks ace, but I’d rather have the Mazda.
Any fashion criticism from me should be taken as a compliment🙂
I'm pretty sure I left a complimentary comment and, if I'm right about where you film, live only a few miles away. I want to see the new stuff!
It was near Wallingford - a beautiful part of the world!
I hate it because screw you Dacia for coming to Australia with all your ICE crap, but refusing to bring the Spring (or any other EV for that matter).
Yellow pants Nicola 😁
Why was there an electric car in this video about Nicola's outfit?
Sounded good till you mentioned bhp
Plenty of 1 year old EV commuter cars for this price. All of which are much better. If you are desperate for the cheapest new EV on the market then go for it. Personally I'd either stretch my budget a bit further for an E corsa or elctric 208 or go for a year old one.
The white part of the dashboard is not the smartest. It looks good but most likely will reflect in the windscreen and it will blind you.
Yeah, because you get blinded by white matt dashboards. 😂😂
And yet, the entry level EVs and some microcars are more competitive than the Dacia Spring
The car look ok
Is this just an advert?
What?
It even has the wtl and ccs so ur model is more like20000 euro
You forgot lights to the dull barn.
Can’t barely see anything.
One trick is to film outside.
So stupid to have a test panel not actually testing the car.
We had no choice. It absolutely hammered down with rain for the entire day! We sneaked outside to do the intro while it was only a medium shower, but otherwise it simply didn't stop. The original plan was indeed to do everything outside, but the only option was to bring it indoors.
And the idea was always that it was a preview - this car had only just returned from a Motor Show abroad and was the only Dacia Spring in the whole of the UK. It was being shipped off elsewhere that night. So I'm sure that when a UK-spec production model is ready, they'll be testing it straight away. In other words, it was that or nothing...
the Hand brake really puts me off...such old tech
Old, cheap and perfectly functional.
Much cheaper to fix too so fine by me
about a century old, How much room does it take up and EV all about less moving parts, Much safer to have hand brake come on when you have come to a stop too.
Yellow pants!
*Trousers.
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t Slacks
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t The Prop Heads called them pants in their song by the same name... Velvet Pants by the Propellerheads {Great Song}
Nicola, your sense of fashion is ok. Is...alright.
Don't worry about that.
Would be a better test to have none EV converts look at the car
@8:42 Outfit looks nice
Boing ,sorry it’s a spring 😂😂😂
This is a miracle! You found four random (?) people and not even one of them has even the slightest word of criticism. Oh no....mistaking. The Volvo owner did found some hard plastic, and that's it. Truly.... A miracle. We witness a devine intervention 😅. An act of God.
Amazing how you can say that, not knowing any of us, or being there, or having seen the car. Truly your words are an act of God - such wisdom without any knowledge.
@@richardgledhill Ha ha, I like this comment Richard. I'll be honest, the miracle scene, act of God... Got it from Pulp Fiction.
@@thedreamfactory6964 Any Pulp Fiction reference is a winner for me! And I wanted to do a Reservoir Dogs walk-on with the 4 of us at the start, but no-one else wanted to do it ;-)
Look, but no test drive. Why!
Because there are no right-hand drive UK spec cars built yet on a production line. This was a hand-built early RHD pre-production example for various motor shows and isn't registered for use on UK roads.
Ordinata per mia moglie, è felicissima non sta nella pelle.
Wouldn't it have been better to invite at least one person who was looking into switching to an EV, I may be cynical here, but I doubt it would be all positive
They're waiting until they can get a car to test drive later in the year, I think.
So.. No ICE drivers to convert... Opportunity missed
I think that would be better done when they have a driveable car there, as it's often the ease of driving which converts ICE drivers. I suspect they'll do this once they can lay their hands on one later in the year.
Why didn't you select an ICE owner.
I am impressed, but come on Dacia, the cheapest you can do is a crossover-SUV thing with funky styling bits? Give us an ultra-cheap misery-spec hatchback. Smaller, cheaper, nastier, more communistical!
This should not be more than 10.000 Euro. They should get rid of the SUV/miniSUV design next time if they want to make an affordable EV. The SUV design means much less range. It is cheaper but just relatively to another EV-s. Still has bad price/value ratio similar to any EV.
Good job Dacia - this is what EVs should be. It's very interesting that people have an obsession with range and yet one of your panel is happily living with an older EV with less range than the Dacia. Just shows it's really not as important as people think it is. I suspect the Dacia will suit a lot of people very well.