That's the rule of the sith. Serve until you are stronger than your boss then murder him and find someone with lots of potential to serve you. If vader had succeeded and Luke went dark side sith rule dictates that luke serve him until he one day overthrows him.
Yes, and if each apprentice got stronger than their master, than that mean the power of the sith would grow since each apprentice would surpass the master, and after becoming the master, they would get overthrown by theor apprentice and overall make the Sith stronger each generation.
@@kimchirice3664 but that rule is flawed. Most apprentices would either assassinate or team up with their own apprentices to take down their current master, and in turn masters would kill their apprentices before they grew strong enough to become a threat to them. As a result of this endless cycle of backstabbing, the Sith only grew either weaker with each generation or more fearful of death. Take a look at Palpatine right: he killed his master in his sleep (he can use whatever excuse he wants, the truth still remains if he thought he could kill his master in single combat-as Bane intended when he created the Rule of Two-he would have. The guy easily killed 3 jedi council members in less than 5 seconds), and for the most of his life as emperor he looked into multiple ways of becoming immortal
Carstea Florentin In short, that's the basic problem with the Sith, whether they operate under the rule of two or not. They're too power hungry to work together, or build anything long term. Everyone wants to lead, nobody wants to follow.
no shit , from the first second he got burned , he was doomed to live a torturous life. palpatine made sure that he stayed in near constant agony inside his little "suit" .
I mean if we’re talking “Anakin Skywalker” then I’m sure he managed to sneak a good week or two in when we weren’t really looking. But if we’re just talking about “Vader” then yeah, I’d say the best he managed was a “slightly more tolerable” week at some nebulous point.
Well, canonically he's a master manipulator, not a cackling moron (although he does like cackling), nor is he severely autistic or anything like that - he is _really_ good at understanding others, so of course he'll also be good at giving people pep talks if he thinks it'll have a bigger pay off than threats or violence. It's literally all he does for the entire prequel trilogy!
@@hannessteffenhagen61 And yet he didn't allow Vader to Heal completely. We all know star wars has some intensive care stemcells/bacta tank surgeries that coud potentially return vader into his full potential
@midgetydeath I mean sadonistic torture would be assuredly make vader hurtful, but he could be full of hatred when he is completely healed. But in that form he also defeat palpatine, much much more faster.
@midgetydeath nah bro , it's just so that he could not overthrown him. The ways of the Sith is to backstabbing eachother so that their dark powers grow.
@Zurround100 We all would prefer %75 - 79.3 rather than being rendered to %49.9 - 50.2. That' was the vader's situation. At the very least he would be able tı breath and eat normally again.
Palpatine: Bro, close your eyes Vader: Why, bro? Palpatine: Just close your eyes, bro. Vader: Ok Palpatine: What do you see, bro? Vader: Nothing. Palpatine: That's my world without you, bro. Vader: Bro 😭
Vader was mentored, manipulated, and used by Palpatine ever since he was nine, but it took Vader all that time to realize what Palpatine's greatest weakness was. It took Luke a few statements between him and Palpatine to figure it out, though it took the same time for Palpatine to discover Luke's greatest weakness. Luke: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." Palpatine: "Your faith in your friends is yours."
How did he mock Vader in front of his loved ones? Neither one had any loved ones left! Sidious killed his family onboard their ship, Shmi died after being tortured by the Tusken Raiders, and Padme died after giving birth, they have no loved ones left, that they know of. Wait, I think I misinterpreted that, did you mean he mocked his betrayal of everyone he loved, Obi-wan, Padme, and the rest of the Jedi?
I know this sounds like a weird idea but I would legitimately love to see the prequels redone on the big screen but this time with maul back running the shadow collective with Savage, ventress, cad bane, pre vizla, ashoka... All of the awesome TCW characters. I know we had the show but c'mon; who wouldn't want to see all those characters together in live action? Especially ventress, she is one of the most least talked about SW characters for how cool she actually is imo.
The relationship between Sidious and Vader is somewhat..erratic / random. He sometimes is treated as a pawn, a mere killing tool to solidificate his command over the galaxy and impose order before liberty. Sometimes he threats him like a ''son''. This relationship is, at the end, very deep and complex, because it shows how even after knowing about the survival of Luke, Anakin still had conflicts. He wanted to eradicate Sidious for his deceiving, but at the same time he has doubts of it, he senses that he was the man who gave him a second chance when his own peirs didn't covered him (The Jedi Order, according to their point of view)... He is a very tortured soul, has to confront his own desires against the ideology of the empire (order against liberty), his thoughts toward Palpatine and a somewhat sadness that resided on him quietly with the years. For me, Vader is a conflicted ''Grim Reaper''. A killing machine who doesn't knows if to continue with a predestined duty or if to follow his own path. The interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligences of Sidious must be at the clouds. He can understand very easily how he feels and how others feel, which gives him the edge when manipulating. What a monster...
I think Palpatine would do anything ANYTHING to get Vader to obey him. Vader was not a tool like the others rather Palpatine had actual value for him and that is an honor not alot of people have. Now I wonder what would have happened if Vader didn't lose at Mustafar and how this speech would have gone.
The sad thing is, Palpatine probably did think of Anakin as his son. Its just, his idea of what a father would be was so twisted and warped. The thing is, if Luke had turned in ESB, Vader may have perpetuated the cycle of abuse bc Palpatine was the closest thing he had to a father. Obi Wan was close, but he ultimately was more like a brother.
@@mghia0189 I think in some sense what happened in Mustafar was necessary as it made Vader very powerful in the dark side. Much the same way as how heavy injuries from assassins made Plagueis stronger in the force despite making his body frail.
Palps: I hear you're a bit down, Lord Vader. Shall I tell you a story? Vader: What kind of story, Master? Palps: ...Did you ever hear of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
@@AncientSavant7572 I mean… did he though? Yeah the dudes a tyrant but the galaxy technically did prosper under his rule and there was at least peace in some form. I mean yeah you could call the systemic eradication of the Jedi evil but one could argue that the Jedi themselves are evil. And I’m aware of him killing his parents as well but the dude was a good politician in the end. This is all imo of course and shouldn’t be taken as a fact.
Something that always makes me think, is that sith masters always WANT their apprentice to over throw them, bane was AFRAID zannah wouldnt overthrow him, and sidious was pleased with vaders deception, the sith think beyond themselves, and understand that the strongest needs to be the strongest. Except Darth Plagious the Wise, but thats not a story the jedi would tell you
You see grevious body was nearly gone completely all he had was a few of his organs so it wasn't really a suit more of a new body but vader still had his head torso and stumps from his body so his suit had prosthetics limbs connected to his stumps making his movement harder and if he was to become a full cyborg like grevious he would lose his connection to the force
@@obsidianwarrior5580 Yeah, but in other lore it's pretty clear that sidious made Vaders suit crappy because he wanted to punish him, and possibly hold him back in case he ever tried to overthrow him. And don't you think that if he could make a cluster of organs into a killing machine, he'd be able to make Vader into a god? (With better cybernetics, not turning him into a droid).
Part of it was as punishment for failing as an apprentice in Palatines eyes. Another part was keeping him weak enough so that he couldn't overthrow him. Eventually the Emperor did offer him a better suit, one that would eliminate his pain and remove the restrictions on his movements. Vader denied the offer, saying the constant pain and restrictions made his hate (and his connection to the dark side) stronger. The Emperor was not pleased with this however, but didn't push the argument further.
@@austinchandler3079 pretty sure that isn't the case anymore since in rogue one its been confirmed he is in a different suit from his suit in a new hope and we have seen him not wearing a suit at all in the bacta tank so we can presume that he takes off the suit regularly
I know this is a little weird to say, but I've always found the Sith philosophy on 'the rule of two' to be kind of...sweet? Whenever a Sith lord is overthrown or betrayed by their apprentice, they almost always express this profound sense of pride in their student. I suppose that they find comfort in the thought of having raised an even stronger lord than those that came before. The Sith are known for their arrogance, but when their time is up, they tend to adopt a surprising kind of pragmatic humility. In this way, they achieve their own kind of 'immortality' through their direct lineage. From a writing perspective, it gives the dark side a surprising degree of humanity without diminishing their villainy and I always love to see little moments like that in this franchise.
Went like this: "Let's get down to business, to defeat Rebels Did they send a Jedi, when I asked for Sith? You're the sandiest bunch I ever met But you can bet before we're through Mister, I'll make a Sith out of you Tranquil as a Bantha but on fire within Once you find your anger, you are sure to win You're a legless, pale, pathetic robot And you haven't got a clue Somehow I'll make a Sith out of you [I'm never gonna fix my breath Say goodbye to those who trained me Boy, was I a fool in school for cutting high ground This guy's got 'em shocked to death Hope he doesn't see light through me Now I wish that I knew how to do lightning] Be a Sith You must be swift as a Boonta pod racer Be a Sith With all the force of the great Exar Kun Be a Sith With all the strength of Mustafar fire Mysterious as the dark side of what is no moooooooon"
Palpatine, creating an Empire of Security, ending the Clone wars, destroying an ancient cult AND helps his best friend with depression? What an idol. Truly
@@austinkersey2445 Rouge One was pretty good though. Those Vader scenes were done really respectfully. With anything Star Wars related now, it's just a coin flip if it'll be good or not lol. But I'm not gonna say it'll all be bad.
"We Will rule the galaxy as father and son" That is really tempting to hear, and I think most people would take that offer. To be in a position of power with your new father at your side who actually wants you to be with him. Who would never betray you. Vader found a better purpose in life in Luke. It's why I love star wars to begin with, that level of character depth and drama that is not too over the top. I think the prequels did well to flesh out anakins character as well. George had anakin have a constant fear of losing his loved ones... and when he lost everything during order 66, he was a complete broken mess and a shadow of his former self until Luke came along to give what he thought was a second chance to have a loving connection again. To gain back what he tragically lost through Luke and even Leia (Vader was definitely going to go after her as well if Luke turned). Disney pretty much made vaders existence and redemption and Luke's accomplishments pretty much pointless with the sequel trilogy. It's so sad how Disney just treats the franchise like a cash cow and platform for crazed sjws who most likely never cared for star wars in the first place. I met so many liberals in college who never even seen the movies or understand the love for it... so that says something. No appreciation for good storytelling and lack of care for the fans is where Disney lucasfilm is at in this age.
You know I've always had the vague suspicion that palpatine (deep down) actually cared for Vader. I remember watching the scene in Episode 3 where Anakin is face down in the dirt on Mustafar missing most limbs, and palpatine shows up and is asked what he would like done with him by a subordinate. Palpatine almost looks distraught for a second and then commands them to give him medical attention. I think palpatine isn't as psychopathic as people believe he is. After all the dark side is the emotional side, and that means all emotions including sympathy.
It’s actually ironic because being a Jedi can turn you into a psychopath (devoid of empathy and proper human emotion) while being a sith can turn you into a sociopath (unable to regulate emotions)
Hes pure evil but he cares about vader to a degree. He’s an ass to vader alot but he kinda has to be. Vaders mind isnt in the right place for most of their reign.
Vader: hey check out the bottomless pit they installed in the Death Star Sheeves: yeah I know it's pretty si... wait a second you old sly dog. That's is why I like you Vadey baby
@@generalgrevious815 I think your confusing challenging with stupidity. Nobody wants to be murdered by their subordinates.. let alone hope for it. It's a lose lose scenario.
@@DavidMyrmidon Nah, as Darth Bane wanted it, the apprentice would murder the master. In fact, his own apprentice took so long to try to kill him that he was disappointed.
@@SukatoKjolen Strength is how the Sith survive. The Master must teach the Apprentice until they are stronger, far stronger. That is how the Sith survive.
The first Death star was compromised, with structural flaws & an arrogant commander, the second Death star would’ve have been perfect if it was completed
@@spectreshadow That wasn't the only change. The OG Death Star was 160 km across and could only fire its big gun once every few hours. The Death Star II was 200 km across and could fire its big gun once every few minutes.
@@prasunkumar117 I'm going to tell this for the 100000000000 time. Kylo was the one saying it and was proven wrong and wasn't what the movie was telling. If I see this shit again (and I will) Im going out of the window.
Vader: (thinking) He's touching me. Why is he touching me? Palpatine: The Sith practice ways many would consider unnatural. It's just the two of us Vader. A master an apprentice. Together. Vader: (thinking) Is he coming onto me? Oh God, he's coming onto me! Palpatine: Continue to build your little empire. Who knows? I might just misplace something, and it could fall into your pocket, if you catch my drift. Vader: (thinking) NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I like to think that Sideous was, while angered, was also ever so proud of his apprentice for overthrowing him. If only vader hadnt of died immediately after. That said, its too bad that vader would have turned from the dark side had he did.. Also yes i know somehow Sidious somehow survives.. but I still dont consider the disney canon to be canon (just like apparently many people)
The strength of the Rule of 2 is that it forces a Master to always keep growing stronger, to always be on guard, to NEVER become lax. And that in turn makes the Apprentice grow stronger, thus breading stronger sith> Palpatine's mistake, ironically, was the same mistake Mace Windu made. Windu stated in the novelization that he had been so focused on Palpatine he had forgotten about Anakin, not noticing til it was too late his 'shatterpoint'. The same with Palpatine. He was so focused on Luke... he forgot about Vader. And how Vader was born out of Anakin's love. And so too would that be how Vader died.
The Sith practiced meritocracy (strength, power intellect to earn what you recieve), the jedi practiced nepotism (get rank and "respect" through who you know, not by your talents and merits).
@@oceans5253 Vader had a female stalker at one point who wanted to bang him. Upon noticing that she saw him with his helmet off, he promptly killed her on the spot.
When your teacher knows a students potential, but lack of motivation... So they set in motion, a subtle test... to wake and inspire your motivation. Only to smile with pride, when you exceed their expectations. Man, I wish my teachers did that.. But sadly I never met any like that.
I think Vader was not punished by Palpatine because of two reasons. A) Vader was the emperor's apprentice and tool and the better Vader became at the Sith ways, so much the the better for the Emperor. B) Palpatine was totally secure in his power and never believed Vader could defeat him.
Starscream: "So, how'd your insurrection go?" Vader: "Apparently Palpatine is...proud of me? How about yours?" Starscream: "Amazing! My coronation ceremony is tomorrow! You think Megatron would be proud of me, too?" Vader: "Probably."
Though it's possible the pride in Vader making his own Empire behind his back could simply be false to keep Vader appeased, I think it's likely that it's all genuine. In Legends Sidious did intend to teach Vader everything he knew, to then have Vader take over the mantle of master when the time came. Then Mustafar happened, and he was limited by his mindset and physical abilities ever since. So assuming they did take some inspiration from legends, this is likely Sidious being genuinely pleased with the steps Vader is taking to bring about his own rule over the Empire. Vader is finally showing more ambition and cunning, along with his merciless strength. This likely overjoyed Sidious, as his perfect apprentice was finally starting to properly shine.
I know people have covered this line numerous times, but I really like how Sidious refers to Maul and Dooku. Referring to Maul as a loss but Dooku as a tool shows how even now he compared them. This is canon so we know Sidious must know about Maul's exploits with Crimson Dawn in the early empire and was still around and kicking, probably somewhat proud of his old apprentice. And unlike how in the Clone Wars where Maul was interferring with Sidious's plan, Crimson Dawn was in their own thing out of the Empire's way so I wouldn't see why Sidious wouldn't just allow it but also to have Inquisitor's on the hunt just in case.
Yes Palpatine is an extremely Dionysostic person. Having fun yet spreading terror without considering anybody at all expect for aristocratic or powerful ones who are worth to kill or be guided like Jedis and Vader. He is obsessed with ruling things, have a special degree of understanding and manipulating people. Encourage both himself and the other in his way, secretly, with a pretty mutually satisfying, twisted dictation. If Nietzsche is alive, probably he attacks on George Lucas by defining him "Christian" or "slave" morality advocater; by showing "ubermensch" Palpatine as evil... For Nietzsche, the notion of evil is a slave invention and differs from "bad". He does not believe in objective morality neither he does not believe in a never changed, bold reality of "good" or "light". Everthing is relative, depends on person.
A Dionyostic person is also a bit crazy just as Dionysos himself, full with passion, desire or ambition which all defines Palpatine. He is crazy ass maniac and considerably genius.
Nietzsche however does not want to people become actual monster like Palpy he wanted to them discover their animalistic, monstrious side within their very nature in order to find out their true potential, to for making it real. With this humans can create life energy to achive things.
Palpatine is like those fathers who always tell their children that they suck at everything and then when the children succeed by working hard, the fathers are proud and encourage them.
Palpatine: "YOU DESTROYED MY PLANS, LET THE DEATH STAR BE DESTROYED, KILLED ALL OF MY WARRIORS AND WAS THINKING ON BETRAYING ME?!" Vader: "Dad, i can expl-" Palpatine: "my boy, i'm so proud of you!" Vader: "wait, really?"
Vader didn't deserve that. But it's a well-made speech, Palpatine has real talent in that. If you don't mind me asking, what is more interesting to make videos about, Legends or Canon? And, if both Legends and Canon could exist in one universe, how do you think would that go/work?
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Vader's Plan to overthrow Palpatine:
* Step 1: Pick him up and throw him down a shaft
* Step 2: N/A
He literally overthrew him XD
Step 3:PROFIT
😂😂😂
* Step 1 : *yeet ya master of ya bottomless pit*
Well that didn’t work because now the emperor is back in The Rise Of Skywalker.
Vader: *goes behind palps back to create a new empire*
palps: *_THAT'S MY BOY_*
*VADER* stands behind palp*
*PALP* dew it
*VADER* aaaaaah!!
*PALP* Guuud
like a proud father!
The one that tatted on him was probably like oh no he’s gonna kill me
@@kawakoneko2273, he did...or at least, he tried.
Adolf Hitler I’m proud he threw me into that shaft in the Death Star but it kinda stinks down here
Palpatine: "You betrayed me? I am so proud of you!"
Darth Vader: "Wait what?"
That's the rule of the sith.
Serve until you are stronger than your boss then murder him and find someone with lots of potential to serve you.
If vader had succeeded and Luke went dark side sith rule dictates that luke serve him until he one day overthrows him.
Yes, and if each apprentice got stronger than their master, than that mean the power of the sith would grow since each apprentice would surpass the master, and after becoming the master, they would get overthrown by theor apprentice and overall make the Sith stronger each generation.
@@kimchirice3664 but that rule is flawed. Most apprentices would either assassinate or team up with their own apprentices to take down their current master, and in turn masters would kill their apprentices before they grew strong enough to become a threat to them. As a result of this endless cycle of backstabbing, the Sith only grew either weaker with each generation or more fearful of death. Take a look at Palpatine right: he killed his master in his sleep (he can use whatever excuse he wants, the truth still remains if he thought he could kill his master in single combat-as Bane intended when he created the Rule of Two-he would have. The guy easily killed 3 jedi council members in less than 5 seconds), and for the most of his life as emperor he looked into multiple ways of becoming immortal
Carstea Florentin In short, that's the basic problem with the Sith, whether they operate under the rule of two or not. They're too power hungry to work together, or build anything long term. Everyone wants to lead, nobody wants to follow.
Rodney Holmes it's how the dark side corrupts an individial
“Keep it up and you’ll have the high ground, Lord Vader”
I love this comment so much
*muffled screams under Vader’s mask*
Vader didn't have a hard week. That implies he ever had a good week.
True
no shit , from the first second he got burned , he was doomed to live a torturous life. palpatine made sure that he stayed in near constant agony inside his little "suit" .
I mean if we’re talking “Anakin Skywalker” then I’m sure he managed to sneak a good week or two in when we weren’t really looking.
But if we’re just talking about “Vader” then yeah, I’d say the best he managed was a “slightly more tolerable” week at some nebulous point.
The only time he probably has anything close to being good, is him meditating in his bacta-tank
Harder week than usual then?
Sidious: Vader, you are who I have dreamed of becoming a figure father to.
Vader inside helmet: *Sheds a single tear of joy.
Maximus Lee I think he lost his tear ducts on Mustafar though
Vader: OW OH SHIT OH FUCJ
Vader Thinks: Yippee.
Well he might actually be his father
I've read somewhere Palpatine was the closest thing Vader had to a friend during his time as Sith lord
Vader: Steals credits, and makes a secret army.
Palpatine: I made that boy.
“That’s my boy!”
It was the speech about destroying sand.
HAHAHA
Together we shall destroy the sand once and for all!!!
What do you think the Death Star was built for? Converting entire planets worth of sand into glass with a single shot!
lol I love this comments section
Soon Tatooine will soon be a world of glass
Palpatine: I'm most impressed, Lord Vader!
Vader: Let's have a drink, my master.
Palpatine: I know where you are going with this!
KingExituS Mountain Dew it!
HEHEHEHEHEHE
You wanna buy some death sticks?
KingExituS Isn‘t this the way Palpatine killed Plagueis?
My god, this is incredible.
Palpatine isn't a total D*ck and shows *genuine* consideration towards -anakin- Vader?!
That's some *heavy* Star Wars lore down there
Well, canonically he's a master manipulator, not a cackling moron (although he does like cackling), nor is he severely autistic or anything like that - he is _really_ good at understanding others, so of course he'll also be good at giving people pep talks if he thinks it'll have a bigger pay off than threats or violence. It's literally all he does for the entire prequel trilogy!
@@hannessteffenhagen61 And yet he didn't allow Vader to Heal completely. We all know star wars has some intensive care stemcells/bacta tank surgeries that coud potentially return vader into his full potential
@midgetydeath I mean sadonistic torture would be assuredly make vader hurtful, but he could be full of hatred when he is completely healed. But in that form he also defeat palpatine, much much more faster.
@midgetydeath nah bro , it's just so that he could not overthrown him.
The ways of the Sith is to backstabbing eachother so that their dark powers grow.
@Zurround100 We all would prefer %75 - 79.3 rather than being rendered to %49.9 - 50.2. That' was the vader's situation. At the very least he would be able tı breath and eat normally again.
I only turned to the dark side to charge my phone quickly tbh.
@@masahirosakurai488 And why are you here!?!?!?!
@@masahirosakurai488 UNLIMITED POWER
Lmao
Honestly I might turn too
My Lord, is that, legal?
Palpatine: Bro, close your eyes
Vader: Why, bro?
Palpatine: Just close your eyes, bro.
Vader: Ok
Palpatine: What do you see, bro?
Vader: Nothing.
Palpatine: That's my world without you, bro.
Vader: Bro 😭
The most broest thing.
BRO
That's kinda gay...
Ok now imagine some fanfiction between Palpatine and Vader...
@@connorestdeviant2718 its totally not gay because they both said "no homo"
Vader: Hey bro
Palpatine: Sup my bruddha
Vader was mentored, manipulated, and used by Palpatine ever since he was nine, but it took Vader all that time to realize what Palpatine's greatest weakness was. It took Luke a few statements between him and Palpatine to figure it out, though it took the same time for Palpatine to discover Luke's greatest weakness.
Luke: "Your overconfidence is your weakness."
Palpatine: "Your faith in your friends is yours."
Luke: My faith in yo mama.
@@MasterLee2011 palpatine: what?
@@wazirtahfiz3087 Luke: I said, yo' mama so fat, Jabba the Hutt said, DAAAAMN!
Just shows how slow Anakin was😂😂
power bender 3 To be fair Anakin said himself that he’s a slow learner
Therapist: Moral support Sheev isn't real, he can't hurt you
Moral support Sheev:
He still a complete asshole to Vader, he mocked Vader betrayal to all his love ones. He even gave Padme personal ship to Vader as a “gift.”
How did he mock Vader in front of his loved ones? Neither one had any loved ones left! Sidious killed his family onboard their ship, Shmi died after being tortured by the Tusken Raiders, and Padme died after giving birth, they have no loved ones left, that they know of. Wait, I think I misinterpreted that, did you mean he mocked his betrayal of everyone he loved, Obi-wan, Padme, and the rest of the Jedi?
Isaiah Albers Lords of the Sith explain my comment. He using Vader guilt.
@@elijahwatson3474 Ohhhhh, I've read that book twice, it's pretty good, and yes I did misinterpret what you said.
"Just dew it-"
"Make your dreams come true-"
Palpatine: Dew It
That's the whole speach
Palpatine: JUST DEW IT!!!! JUST DEWWWW IT!
Wow that speech made me cry
So inspiring
*Sniff* that was beautiful.
I know this sounds like a weird idea but I would legitimately love to see the prequels redone on the big screen but this time with maul back running the shadow collective with Savage, ventress, cad bane, pre vizla, ashoka... All of the awesome TCW characters.
I know we had the show but c'mon; who wouldn't want to see all those characters together in live action?
Especially ventress, she is one of the most least talked about SW characters for how cool she actually is imo.
“Vader!”
“How’s my favorite Sith?”
Literally lmao
"What do you mean they blew up the death star ?"
Who's they!?
@@justanotherhuman6532 Whats an aluminum falcon?
@@justanotherhuman6532 some kids and and aluminum falcon
Imagine as Palpatine is thrown down that shaft, he’s trying to yell through his screams “I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT!!!!!”
THAAAAAAAAAAATSSS MYY BOOOOoooOYYYYYYYY
So do you think palpatine was smiling as he was falling down the death star shaft? Like "Oh my God he betrayed me,I'm so proud of him :')"
Lmao
This comment is so underrated
Probably not considering Vader did this to return to the light side.
I can see him laughing like
I raised that boy
I mean he was laughing
I imagined cricket sounds during that awkward silence between Vader and Palpatine.
@Big O the only idiot here is you
Awkward silence with Vader's breathing.
@@deaclavilis6760 that's even funnier
@@cianashby726 it would have been better of you said : This is getting out of hand,now there are two of them
And that one guy coughing...
The thumbnail looks like the emperor was giving emotional support but he was probably telling him to go sit on a pine cone
Lmaooo you aren’t far off. He was blaming him for 1 million people’s death on the Death Star
@@wakanda9985 yeah lol
Or he was saying "Anakin...you're my number one ... guy" in his best Jack Palance voice.
@i hate fortnight give me a reason why I shouldn’t you spelt fortnite wrong
@@tiggytiger171 He didn't.
The relationship between Sidious and Vader is somewhat..erratic / random.
He sometimes is treated as a pawn, a mere killing tool to solidificate his command over the galaxy and impose order before liberty.
Sometimes he threats him like a ''son''.
This relationship is, at the end, very deep and complex, because it shows how even after knowing about the survival of Luke, Anakin still had conflicts. He wanted to eradicate Sidious for his deceiving, but at the same time he has doubts of it, he senses that he was the man who gave him a second chance when his own peirs didn't covered him (The Jedi Order, according to their point of view)...
He is a very tortured soul, has to confront his own desires against the ideology of the empire (order against liberty), his thoughts toward Palpatine and a somewhat sadness that resided on him quietly with the years.
For me, Vader is a conflicted ''Grim Reaper''. A killing machine who doesn't knows if to continue with a predestined duty or if to follow his own path.
The interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligences of Sidious must be at the clouds. He can understand very easily how he feels and how others feel, which gives him the edge when manipulating. What a monster...
I think Palpatine would do anything ANYTHING to get Vader to obey him. Vader was not a tool like the others rather Palpatine had actual value for him and that is an honor not alot of people have. Now I wonder what would have happened if Vader didn't lose at Mustafar and how this speech would have gone.
The sad thing is, Palpatine probably did think of Anakin as his son. Its just, his idea of what a father would be was so twisted and warped.
The thing is, if Luke had turned in ESB, Vader may have perpetuated the cycle of abuse bc Palpatine was the closest thing he had to a father. Obi Wan was close, but he ultimately was more like a brother.
@@mghia0189 I think in some sense what happened in Mustafar was necessary as it made Vader very powerful in the dark side. Much the same way as how heavy injuries from assassins made Plagueis stronger in the force despite making his body frail.
Anakin never had freedom, in a way being a thrall is what he felt most comfortable with.
You are right old friend...
4:59 ''Oh boy, are you are in trouble.'' You'd think a professional comic book company would screen for mistakes like that.
Clearly you never read enough, check Linkara on TH-cam to see how bade comics from Marvel and DC can be.
Proofreading is a dying art.
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I read your comment 3 times before I saw the mistake. I think I might be dyslectxit.
"We did it, Vader!"
I'd like to hear Ian McDiarmid say that line.
We did it, Vader!
Palps: I hear you're a bit down, Lord Vader. Shall I tell you a story?
Vader: What kind of story, Master?
Palps: ...Did you ever hear of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Vader: Yes, Master. You told me that story a million times.
Palpatine: i thought not
Vader: ....
@@ppprenxx Vader: Even Jerec and Thrawn are tired of hearing it!
This was surprisingly a very human moment for Palpatine.
Palpatine: Just get back here. Okay. Okay. Bye. I love you too.
ROBOT CHICKEN FOR DAYS!
TKnHappyNess I understood the reference.jpg
Palpatine and Vader is just a wholesome father and son story
An extremely twisted one.
Ah yes, I can't wait to kill my father when the time is right!
@@IronMan-tk8uc Yep
palpatine did nothing wrong
@@AncientSavant7572 I mean… did he though? Yeah the dudes a tyrant but the galaxy technically did prosper under his rule and there was at least peace in some form.
I mean yeah you could call the systemic eradication of the Jedi evil but one could argue that the Jedi themselves are evil.
And I’m aware of him killing his parents as well but the dude was a good politician in the end. This is all imo of course and shouldn’t be taken as a fact.
Something that always makes me think, is that sith masters always WANT their apprentice to over throw them, bane was AFRAID zannah wouldnt overthrow him, and sidious was pleased with vaders deception, the sith think beyond themselves, and understand that the strongest needs to be the strongest.
Except Darth Plagious the Wise, but thats not a story the jedi would tell you
Did Vader ever wonder or question why his suit was inferior to grievous'
You see grevious body was nearly gone completely all he had was a few of his organs so it wasn't really a suit more of a new body but vader still had his head torso and stumps from his body so his suit had prosthetics limbs connected to his stumps making his movement harder and if he was to become a full cyborg like grevious he would lose his connection to the force
@@obsidianwarrior5580 Yeah, but in other lore it's pretty clear that sidious made Vaders suit crappy because he wanted to punish him, and possibly hold him back in case he ever tried to overthrow him.
And don't you think that if he could make a cluster of organs into a killing machine, he'd be able to make Vader into a god? (With better cybernetics, not turning him into a droid).
Part of it was as punishment for failing as an apprentice in Palatines eyes. Another part was keeping him weak enough so that he couldn't overthrow him. Eventually the Emperor did offer him a better suit, one that would eliminate his pain and remove the restrictions on his movements.
Vader denied the offer, saying the constant pain and restrictions made his hate (and his connection to the dark side) stronger. The Emperor was not pleased with this however, but didn't push the argument further.
@@dylanmorris7946 It was also a risky medical procedure that could've led to Vader's death. That was also a big factor as to why he turned it down.
@@austinchandler3079 pretty sure that isn't the case anymore since in rogue one its been confirmed he is in a different suit from his suit in a new hope and we have seen him not wearing a suit at all in the bacta tank so we can presume that he takes off the suit regularly
Palpatine is the dad Anakin never had
Actually, he is the dad Anakin always had. There's a canon comic where it's revealed that Palpatine manipulated the force to create Anakin.
@@levis.sutton542 yeah I've heard that too
Palpatine fucked schmi in the butpussy!!!
Because he's literally his dad
Levi S. Sutton it was misleading, writers said it themselves that palpatine didn’t make anakin
I know this is a little weird to say, but I've always found the Sith philosophy on 'the rule of two' to be kind of...sweet?
Whenever a Sith lord is overthrown or betrayed by their apprentice, they almost always express this profound sense of pride in their student. I suppose that they find comfort in the thought of having raised an even stronger lord than those that came before. The Sith are known for their arrogance, but when their time is up, they tend to adopt a surprising kind of pragmatic humility. In this way, they achieve their own kind of 'immortality' through their direct lineage. From a writing perspective, it gives the dark side a surprising degree of humanity without diminishing their villainy and I always love to see little moments like that in this franchise.
One can learn a thing or two from the Emperor, a lesson that will stay within your mind forever.
Same speech told to the best of them all, not just Vader.
Luke: “Your overconfidence is your weakness.”
Palpatine: “your faith in your friends is yours”.
The faith in your own mom....
Went like this:
"Let's get down to business, to defeat Rebels
Did they send a Jedi, when I asked for Sith?
You're the sandiest bunch I ever met
But you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make a Sith out of you
Tranquil as a Bantha but on fire within
Once you find your anger, you are sure to win
You're a legless, pale, pathetic robot
And you haven't got a clue
Somehow I'll make a Sith out of you
[I'm never gonna fix my breath
Say goodbye to those who trained me
Boy, was I a fool in school for cutting high ground
This guy's got 'em shocked to death
Hope he doesn't see light through me
Now I wish that I knew how to do lightning]
Be a Sith
You must be swift as a Boonta pod racer
Be a Sith
With all the force of the great Exar Kun
Be a Sith
With all the strength of Mustafar fire
Mysterious as the dark side of what is no moooooooon"
That was just fantastic!
Mind if I sing it?
LOL that was too funny!!!!!🤣
Palpatine, creating an Empire of Security, ending the Clone wars, destroying an ancient cult AND helps his best friend with depression?
What an idol. Truly
Palpatine: "You betrayed me? I am so proud of you!" ...
when Vader threw him into the reactor core
Palpatine: "GOOD GOOD!!"
Palpatine the sith motivational speaker :^)
What's up what's up it's your boy Sheev Palpy bringing you darkest inspiration and expiration sith podcast! Heh heh heh heh heh heeeeeeeh!
I really enjoy the canon comics of Darth Vader.
Yup Disney got this thing right
@@florinherlea8376 The only thing.
@@austinkersey2445 Rouge One was pretty good though. Those Vader scenes were done really respectfully. With anything Star Wars related now, it's just a coin flip if it'll be good or not lol. But I'm not gonna say it'll all be bad.
@@Deadflower20xx Rogue One was alright. It's just that it's been overshadowed by the rest of Disney's mediocrity.
@@austinkersey2445 Have you not read the Maul comics?
I would have liked to see Luke ask Vader about Padme, and see them have a real moment with each other. But the end of return of the Jedi is good too.
That would have ignited rage and sorrow and turned annakin back to the dark side
"We Will rule the galaxy as father and son"
That is really tempting to hear, and I think most people would take that offer. To be in a position of power with your new father at your side who actually wants you to be with him. Who would never betray you. Vader found a better purpose in life in Luke.
It's why I love star wars to begin with, that level of character depth and drama that is not too over the top. I think the prequels did well to flesh out anakins character as well. George had anakin have a constant fear of losing his loved ones... and when he lost everything during order 66, he was a complete broken mess and a shadow of his former self until Luke came along to give what he thought was a second chance to have a loving connection again.
To gain back what he tragically lost through Luke and even Leia (Vader was definitely going to go after her as well if Luke turned). Disney pretty much made vaders existence and redemption and Luke's accomplishments pretty much pointless with the sequel trilogy. It's so sad how Disney just treats the franchise like a cash cow and platform for crazed sjws who most likely never cared for star wars in the first place. I met so many liberals in college who never even seen the movies or understand the love for it... so that says something. No appreciation for good storytelling and lack of care for the fans is where Disney lucasfilm is at in this age.
You know I've always had the vague suspicion that palpatine (deep down) actually cared for Vader. I remember watching the scene in Episode 3 where Anakin is face down in the dirt on Mustafar missing most limbs, and palpatine shows up and is asked what he would like done with him by a subordinate. Palpatine almost looks distraught for a second and then commands them to give him medical attention. I think palpatine isn't as psychopathic as people believe he is. After all the dark side is the emotional side, and that means all emotions including sympathy.
It’s actually ironic because being a Jedi can turn you into a psychopath (devoid of empathy and proper human emotion) while being a sith can turn you into a sociopath (unable to regulate emotions)
However little he cared about Vader, it couldn’t possibly be less than how much the Jedi cared about Anikan, except Ahsoka and maybe Obi-Wan
Hes pure evil but he cares about vader to a degree. He’s an ass to vader alot but he kinda has to be. Vaders mind isnt in the right place for most of their reign.
@@LeeLonnieLoveHe's pure evil but cares about Vader? That's contradictory.
He was an abusive parent to Anakin. Despite all of the toxicity and evil, Palpatine did care a bit about Vader in his own twisted and vile way.
Vader: hey check out the bottomless pit they installed in the Death Star
Sheeves: yeah I know it's pretty si... wait a second you old sly dog. That's is why I like you Vadey baby
Even Palpatine forgot the first rule of being a Sith. Never underestimate your apprentice. 😒
@@generalgrevious815 I think your confusing challenging with stupidity. Nobody wants to be murdered by their subordinates.. let alone hope for it. It's a lose lose scenario.
@@DavidMyrmidon Nah, as Darth Bane wanted it, the apprentice would murder the master. In fact, his own apprentice took so long to try to kill him that he was disappointed.
@@SukatoKjolen Strength is how the Sith survive. The Master must teach the Apprentice until they are stronger, far stronger. That is how the Sith survive.
The first Death star was compromised, with structural flaws & an arrogant commander, the second Death star would’ve have been perfect if it was completed
have have ;)
Seoncd deathstar was exactly the same as the first the only difference is it would have different people in it lol
ba sillah no, the whole structural design is enhanced.
@@basillah7650 That is incorrect. They corrected the flaw with the exhaust ports. If it was completed it would have been unstoppable.
@@spectreshadow That wasn't the only change. The OG Death Star was 160 km across and could only fire its big gun once every few hours. The Death Star II was 200 km across and could fire its big gun once every few minutes.
well he's back, and probably stronger than ever.
I think his power will be.. unnatural.
@@JonoFunk sounds difficult to accept
A force ghost. Like Rian Johnson said forget the past, kill it if you have to.
Run out of ideas? DIG UP PALPS!
@@prasunkumar117 I'm going to tell this for the 100000000000 time. Kylo was the one saying it and was proven wrong and wasn't what the movie was telling. If I see this shit again (and I will) Im going out of the window.
Palpatine: Dew it
Vader: Okay
Sydney Morris unoriginal
Even Cinema's greatest villains can have bad days.
Vader: (thinking) He's touching me. Why is he touching me?
Palpatine: The Sith practice ways many would consider unnatural. It's just the two of us Vader. A master an apprentice. Together.
Vader: (thinking) Is he coming onto me? Oh God, he's coming onto me!
Palpatine: Continue to build your little empire. Who knows? I might just misplace something, and it could fall into your pocket, if you catch my drift.
Vader: (thinking) NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Palpatine: Dew IT!!
END
Depression: A Darth *Vader* story.
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I love that awkward silence.
"Ani my boy, keep up the good work"
-Palpatine probably
I like to think that Sideous was, while angered, was also ever so proud of his apprentice for overthrowing him. If only vader hadnt of died immediately after.
That said, its too bad that vader would have turned from the dark side had he did..
Also yes i know somehow Sidious somehow survives.. but I still dont consider the disney canon to be canon (just like apparently many people)
The strength of the Rule of 2 is that it forces a Master to always keep growing stronger, to always be on guard, to NEVER become lax. And that in turn makes the Apprentice grow stronger, thus breading stronger sith>
Palpatine's mistake, ironically, was the same mistake Mace Windu made.
Windu stated in the novelization that he had been so focused on Palpatine he had forgotten about Anakin, not noticing til it was too late his 'shatterpoint'. The same with Palpatine. He was so focused on Luke... he forgot about Vader. And how Vader was born out of Anakin's love. And so too would that be how Vader died.
Love this channel!
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Like looking into your future, huh?
I love how you don’t have a silly long intro or outro. Just the good stuff. wonderful
"DEW IT"
"Yes, my master"
"Good"
"Breathes in"
"Breathes out"
That was surprisingly wholesome
Lore Master: First palpatine started out with a Monologe
Palpatine: Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth plaguse the wise
The Sith practiced meritocracy (strength, power intellect to earn what you recieve), the jedi practiced nepotism (get rank and "respect" through who you know, not by your talents and merits).
Be like the Sith.
A well put together video! Educational and informative...
He called him "Tag" lol.
I really like these stories involving Vader and Sidious. Their interactions are interesting.
The awkward silence between Vader and Sidious is hilarious
It was Gardulla that enslaved him, not Jabba.
Do you think palpatine and Vader ever boned any intergalactic sluts?? U know in their downtime?
Vader has no dick.
@@oceans5253
Vader had a female stalker at one point who wanted to bang him. Upon noticing that she saw him with his helmet off, he promptly killed her on the spot.
When your teacher knows a students potential, but lack of motivation...
So they set in motion, a subtle test... to wake and inspire your motivation. Only to smile with pride, when you exceed their expectations.
Man, I wish my teachers did that.. But sadly I never met any like that.
Great video and that is awesome that Sidous give speechs to Vader
Legends or "canon," any comics pertaining to Vader are just awesome.
I think Vader was not punished by Palpatine because of two reasons.
A) Vader was the emperor's apprentice and tool and the better Vader became at the Sith ways, so much the the better for the Emperor.
B) Palpatine was totally secure in his power and never believed Vader could defeat him.
A twisted moment of heartwarming, but a welcome one.
Everybody gangsta until the dark lord starts giving inspirational speeches
Palpatine: You wanted me dead? Excellent you’re a true sith!
Vader: Da fuck
Starscream: "So, how'd your insurrection go?"
Vader: "Apparently Palpatine is...proud of me? How about yours?"
Starscream: "Amazing! My coronation ceremony is tomorrow! You think Megatron would be proud of me, too?"
Vader: "Probably."
I can imagine Vader being extremely confused that Palpatine was happy that Vader was trying to overthrow him. XD
But seriously, How do you think Vader felt when Palpatine heaped that praise onto Vader? Anyone thinking of the Zoldyck family from HunterxHunter?
It's true, never underestimate anyone or anything, always be cautious...👌🏼💯✔
Though it's possible the pride in Vader making his own Empire behind his back could simply be false to keep Vader appeased, I think it's likely that it's all genuine. In Legends Sidious did intend to teach Vader everything he knew, to then have Vader take over the mantle of master when the time came. Then Mustafar happened, and he was limited by his mindset and physical abilities ever since. So assuming they did take some inspiration from legends, this is likely Sidious being genuinely pleased with the steps Vader is taking to bring about his own rule over the Empire. Vader is finally showing more ambition and cunning, along with his merciless strength. This likely overjoyed Sidious, as his perfect apprentice was finally starting to properly shine.
I know people have covered this line numerous times, but I really like how Sidious refers to Maul and Dooku. Referring to Maul as a loss but Dooku as a tool shows how even now he compared them. This is canon so we know Sidious must know about Maul's exploits with Crimson Dawn in the early empire and was still around and kicking, probably somewhat proud of his old apprentice. And unlike how in the Clone Wars where Maul was interferring with Sidious's plan, Crimson Dawn was in their own thing out of the Empire's way so I wouldn't see why Sidious wouldn't just allow it but also to have Inquisitor's on the hunt just in case.
Palpatine is Nietzsche's master morality to the extreme. A true Sith.
Good correlation
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Yes Palpatine is an extremely Dionysostic person. Having fun yet spreading terror without considering anybody at all expect for aristocratic or powerful ones who are worth to kill or be guided like Jedis and Vader. He is obsessed with ruling things, have a special degree of understanding and manipulating people. Encourage both himself and the other in his way, secretly, with a pretty mutually satisfying, twisted dictation. If Nietzsche is alive, probably he attacks on George Lucas by defining him "Christian" or "slave" morality advocater; by showing "ubermensch" Palpatine as evil... For Nietzsche, the notion of evil is a slave invention and differs from "bad". He does not believe in objective morality neither he does not believe in a never changed, bold reality of "good" or "light". Everthing is relative, depends on person.
A Dionyostic person is also a bit crazy just as Dionysos himself, full with passion, desire or ambition which all defines Palpatine. He is crazy ass maniac and considerably genius.
Nietzsche however does not want to people become actual monster like Palpy he wanted to them discover their animalistic, monstrious side within their very nature in order to find out their true potential, to for making it real. With this humans can create life energy to achive things.
Palpatine is like those fathers who always tell their children that they suck at everything and then when the children succeed by working hard, the fathers are proud and encourage them.
Imagine if they created an animated series off this. Similar to Spawn the animated series. It would be amazing.
Vader after the speech: "i didn't order a yappachino."
Poor Vader, although he's evil, he never deserved such treatment
Palpatine is evil. Vader isn't...
Vader was never truly evil.
Soy Based Jeremy True. He was just broken, losing everything and only having Palpatine as his guide, who ended up lying to him.
That's an abusive relationship
leenalee witch Yep. The Sith are abusive, yes. Abusive of their power.
Palpatine: "YOU DESTROYED MY PLANS, LET THE DEATH STAR BE DESTROYED, KILLED ALL OF MY WARRIORS AND WAS THINKING ON BETRAYING ME?!"
Vader: "Dad, i can expl-"
Palpatine: "my boy, i'm so proud of you!"
Vader: "wait, really?"
Technically vader did overTHROW palpatine down a reactor shaft
Palpatine in all actuality loves Vader. Thats the secret, he just wants him to do his best.
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papa palpatine proves once again he is a positive role model for his son
Vader didn't deserve that. But it's a well-made speech, Palpatine has real talent in that.
If you don't mind me asking, what is more interesting to make videos about, Legends or Canon?
And, if both Legends and Canon could exist in one universe, how do you think would that go/work?
Some of it would now contradict Disney Canon, but I think Disney should of just made new character's and made the EU (Legends) Canon.
@@soybasedjeremy3653 Or even rewrites some parts of the EU with their own content!
“Vader if you don’t stop being a disappointment to me I’m gonna turn your ass into Darth Lightning Rod”
Suicide is not the way of the dark side.
Darth Tyranus a simple tool only to serve...
Count Dooku: Am I a joke to you?
It was wasn't Jabba who enslaved. It was Gardulla the Hutt
Why give him encouragement when he can utter these words alone?
*DEWIT*
Could you do a video on if there were any Wookie Jedi's, Couldn't the Kaminoans build the clone army for the rebels after the empire was destroyed?
There was Wookiee padawan, also clones were slaves of the Republic and the Rebels would not want that. Also they was expensive as fuck.
All that's missing here is a hug and an "aww..." sitcom music cue.
"Dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it dew it"
Vader: betrays palpatine
Palpatine: Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Plagious the wise?
I'm surprised his "inspirational speech" wasnt " lord vader you had better get a grip before I blast u out the death stars air lock" 😂
Vader: *Plots to overthrow the established system*
Palpatine: *THAT'S MY BOY!!*