Rivians are def my favorite evs rn solely on looks alone, I love the pill shaped headlights its so unique u know what is from 1 mile down the road and it gives it a very friendly and approachable look 🤣
I owned the first Niro EV in St. Louis 3 plus years ago - put 40,000 miles on it, not 1 issues - loved it, my first EV!! We just upgraded to the Ev6 and have owned 6 KIA's over the years, Rio, Sportage, Sedona, Forte, Niro, Telluride - love them all for price and durability. This vehicle looks great and has so many features for the money! The only thing I do NOT love are the wheels - but that is so minor. We will trade the Telluride for one of these soon I am sure! KIA is the only brand I buy! Never and issue!
Im really torn between this thing and a Polestar 3. Had a drive in an EV9 and really found it good. Gonna wait to get a drive in a PS3 before i make up my mind. Although if I go for the EV9 I will be replacing the alloys; they are not my cup of tea lol.
Agreed, we have very little choice in Canada and in the USA for compact and affordable wagons and hatchbacks, especially for those on a dedicated and modern EV platform. It will be interesting to see if Hyundai or Kia will beat Tesla to market, as the EX30 will be quite expensive in Canada.
In Canada the vehicle is very close in price to the similar gas Telluride, especially when incentives are available (5k National plus select Provincial rebates)
We don’t have the Telluride in the UK. The nearest we have is the Model X but only left hand drive or the Volvo EX90 both £20K more than the top of the line EV9. Or the BMW iX which is even more expensive spec for spec.
yeah I agree, at close to $80K they are competing against the Model X and Rivian R1S, both of which have air suspension, are much faster, have longer range and more. If the GT Line was $62K it would be really hard to beat.
@@Aegisx5Rivian has more range but The X’s real world range is pretty similar to the EV9. Came in a little lower in Edmunds test while the EV9 exceeded EPA by 34 miles. The Rivian and C still come in over $10k more. And it’s a feature trade off. I would use the Kia’s CarPlay every drive while the 1 sec faster 0-60 is a novelty that’s fun but would rarely be used. I like the look of the Rivian more and it has more cargo capacity but between CarPlay and Kia’s amazing regen control it’s pulling ahead even if they had been price neutral. Better warranty that Rivian (dual motor) or Tesla too.
You guys sure make a good team. Nice job on the videoing. It utterly astounds me that Kyle can remember and keep track of the details from all these vehicles.
I got my EV9 GT about a month ago. I've already put on 3k miles and its been worth every penny. I have 0 regrets, I just wish there were better charge options for road trips but no major issues so far. Haul the family and dogs with ease.
I have done some tests on the big battery here in Sweden, 350A is the limit on a “800V” charger, unfortunately only 200A limit if you charge at “400V” a charger. Big disappointment if you are a nerd but OK for normal people.
Ioniq 5 owner here, when an E-GMP is in Eco mode, the front motor is normally engaged at low speed (under 10 kph) and during acceleration. That's always been the case. The most efficient way I've found to drive is in Eco mode with Auto regen. That combo seems to give me the maximum range.
Great video, really excited about this. My wife and I are looking at this to be our first EV, its pretty solid. I hope that the ID Buzz (US Spec) is a similar price to this since that is also on the list for us.
I live down south of Denver and yet I have bought two vehicles (2022 Carnival and 2023 EV6) from Fort Collins Kia over the past two years due to terrible experiences trying to deal with other Kia dealerships in the greater Denver Metropolitan area. They treat you like an actual person and are not super pushy, even in the back office. The person I worked with to buy my EV6 actually knew something about EVs, which was definitely not the case with other dealerships (other Kia, VW, and Hyundai) besides Tesla when I was test driving various vehicles a few months ago before buying my EV6. About the car though, I really like the concept of the EV9, but with several young kids, I can't imagine buying a car that doesn't have sliding doors. Here is hoping Kia either releases a full EV van or they at least do a plug-in hybrid Carnival in the future.
Thanks Kyle and Alyssa for an honest review I'm in regional Australia and we don't have any start ups or local or imported equivalents due to hit our market till 2028....So I have a Kia ev9 GT Line on order for 2024 May delivery. I have been patiently waiting for an EV with the range and power & charging capability specs to tow a caravan. It also has to accommodate my 4 dogs. Australia only has a bench seat version available in the GT Line which suits me fine but I think families would love the option of the swivel captains mid row seats for Baby capsules. My criteria was V2Grid/home/load although Australia is very behind with the option to do this. I purchased a Leaf in 2020 as it was the only EV capable of V2home. The geeky stuff is important when comparing brands or fulfilling expectations of a fit for purpose EV. So appreciate your reviews over the years.
3 row EV comparison for sure. Model X, Rivian and this. Yes I would cross shop them. You should get some cheap used car seats to install in the back seats. Super helpful for us family’s to see real world use.
I have watched many dozens of your videos. This was my favorite so far. I like how Alyssa is now comfortable in front to the camera. Well done Kyle! Oh, BTW EV9 seems near state of the art!
Someone in a Houston Tesla group I’m in got the gt-line in Dallas and drove it down to Houston a few days ago and charged on the way back and someone asked how it was and he said he maxed out at 275 kw on the EA 350 kw. No pics or videos to prove but he said it was rocking just fine and he loved it
Hint: set playback speed at 1.5. Thanks Kyle and Alyssa for the review! Nice work snagging the review car from the dealer; win / win for the dealer and for the channel.
Thank you, Kyle. I'm waiting for Ford's promised 3-row EV SUV, which should be available by the time I'm ready to turn back in my Mach-E GT in July 2026.
Great review as usual guys. Love that we're hearing so much of Alyssa's perspective these days as well. I think I share the perspective that Kia keeps surprising us with steps up the ladder in quality, styling, new ideas, etc. given that old timers like myself can remember the entry level cars Kia/Hyundai focused on in my youth. They seem to be moving a bit from the approach of copying the competition by making comparable cars that win on price to one where they are now taking the design and production lead, especially in the EV space. Hopefully their cars won't start to price their traditional customers out of the market going forward.
What’s funny to me is,e, is how so many folk forget Honda, Mazda, and Toyota had the same progression. They were the Japanese junk back in the 70’s and 80’s, and Toyota now owns the world market. Nobody in America wanted to even sell the cars except one dude in California, and A,Erica’s car dealers talked about him like a dog. He was scorned for peddling that “Asian Crap”….. Give Kia/Hyundai a few more years. They’re killing the tech/features/luxury game for the buck. All they need now is stability in the reliability and they’ll definitely be ahead of the pack. Their overall value cannot be beat, but it’s gonna take more reliability to lift their resale value.
The reason for the 552VDC on the large pack: The max DC current on the small battery is 288 Amps. The max DC current on the large battery is 576 Amps. Whatever connection configuration they had, they just doubled it.
Thank you both, great job and i love how you guys are so down to earth even after youve driven and probably owned numerous luxury cars. And there’s nothing wrong with liking the luxury brands its fine if you do but not everyone cares about the badge its about how good the car is regardless of brand for some. Keep up the great work!
The price is outrageous, which is unfortunate because I like the way it looks. But I refuse to pay that price for a Kia. If it was 60k for the GT line, then maybe... But 75k+, nah I'm good.
Should drop maybe 5k once they are pouring out of the West point GA plant and maybe the all new hyundai/Kia metaplant in Savannah Georgia opening in late 2024. Ad built in nacs and tax credit for 2025? Should make this extremely competitive in the 3 row full size ev SUV space. 👍🏻
It’s not about it being a KIA. It’s about mediocre specs for this price. The battery should have been 130 kWh, and then we could have a conversation about the price. The RWD with 200HP? For this size SUV? Seriously, KIA? If it were 350 HP RWD with 130 kWh battery with the EPA range at 400 miles, it would be a very compelling vehicle at this price even being a KIA.
Kia is dumping lots of these on dealers…$7500 factory to customer incentive + dealers discounts exceeding $8K…you got your wish of an EV9 GT-line for $60K.
Wow. I was excited for the EV9 before this video but now I can't wait. Manually-triggered battery conditioning?! I need that on my I5. I was surprised by the strange voltage range on the big battery; hopefully that doesn't cause issues with DC charging. Adding to the chorus: I'd love to see the R1S vs. EV9 comparison specifically. Including the Model X would be a bonus, but I think a lot of buyers will be primarily cross-shopping the first two since they are more traditional SUV shapes with more cargo space. (Just ask the dogs!) As always, I love all the details in these videos. Thanks, Kyle and Alyssa!
No “dog mode” but “Utility Mode” is a kin to it. Meant for staying inside the vehicle currently you need a mechanical key to lock/unlock the vehicle after exiting. I’ve used it in our IONIQ 5 after checking out of the hotel and before leaving town. Yes I want the vehicle to communicate the temperature or temperature change and directly to anyone looking in the vehicle. Functional but not reassuring is a summary that Hyundai/Kia could address simply. Nice to see a MSRP dealer. 👍🏼 1:15:10
I saw it in person when a blue model made its rounds around the NYC metropolitan area. I was impressed. Remember thinking that the materials were on par with an F150 Ice/electric.
@38:22 thanks Kyle for highlighting what Hyundai Kia do with Lane keep & how it can be turned on always regardless of ACC on! Once I experienced that in a gas Hyundai 4 years ago, I felt every other implementation was dumb!
About to watch this review. I'm hoping to replace my Chevrolet Traverse with this EV9. This Kia is about $20k more than the Chevy so It has to be good.
@tlangton yes, but greedy mfgs. Aren't focused on that, they just want high priced vehicles, so they can make huge profits on these. The one that ever makes $22k ev at 300mile range , will destroy all others , all this other crap, doesn't really mean anything for 80%.
When it comes time to replace my Ioniq 5, this will be my top choice. 61,000 miles with zero problems. 3 round trips across North America. It’s been to 48 states and 6 Canadian provinces.
10:33 If I’m not mistaken, Kia’s pack voltage ratings are at around 0% SOC, so 552 V is 552 V dead. For comparison, the EV6 pack is rated at something like 697 V. Presumably this should stay in the “boost” regime the whole time.
I have the Land trim, it's sick. I have the tow package with air suspension out back. It has a standard size receiver and electrical hookup! It's a true "sport" utility vehicle. It's just huge inside, and I'm getting 300 miles of range in 40-50F.
Smaller battery has higher peak power but big battery has a wider charge curve basicaly as flat as it gets. So far in the test the charge curve in the 99.8kW battery is ridiculously good and keeps a average charging speed in a -15 degree celcius from 15 to 80% at over 180kWs. And i've had it peak at 216kW even spec sheet says 210kW. That is some mad boss level of charging.
Interest factor is an artifice, pure and simple that disguises the actual interest rate in this particular case 7.3 for the Highwind and 5.9 for the lower one. Which is crazy considering current interest rates.
That is a Supersized Soul EV (2020 Limited Trim that I have in Canada), mine had no issues since new other then 12volt battery, this is just an awesome camping vehicle and should prove to be super reliable!
This is just totally random but I traded in my 2020 Hyundai Kona SEL Plus AWD and the factory Infinity audio system was amazing. Only 315 watts but the subwoofer and great speakers sounded so good in such a small car.
Manual Battery Preconditioning is a big deal! Please do more testing. Can you activate it with less than 20% SoC??? That has been a huge limitation for existing eGMP vehicles!!!
I would love to see the comparison between the EV9, the model X and the R1S. I’m considering all three as a replacement for my current tow vehicle. Contenders must be able to tow a minimum of 5000 pounds and have a towing range of at least 125 miles.
These three SUV's are amazing and you can't really go wrong with either, just depends on your needs. If towing is your main goal, out of these 3 options, the R1S is your best bet. The Model X and EV9 can only tow max 5,000. The R1S can tow 7,500, so if 5000 minimum is your must have, really the R1s is your only option. The range between the three while towing will be pretty similar, but the R1S probably has the edge. The only problem with the R1S and EV9 is the public charging network isn't as good as Tesla, but hopefully that will be changing next year; so my unsolicited two cents would be the R1S. The EV9 and R1S have a more usable third row than the X, so if you need to sit more people and really use that third row, I'd rule the X out. We personally have the 3 row X and that 3rd row is just not enjoyable for road trips. As far as features between the R1S and EV9, I'd go for the Rivian because we can see they are frequently doing over the air updates, making chargers, and really striving for a continual better user experience similar to Tesla through app integration and software changes, whereas who knows how much over the air software changes Kia will do. TLDR: R1S
@@jeffreygeiger3824 I checked out the Rivian R1S and the EV9 at the Los Angeles auto show. The second row seat leg room in the Rivian is tight at only 36 inches while the EV9 is 41 inches. By comparison my Mach e second row leg room is 38 inches. My boat and trailer weigh 5000 pounds so hopefully Kyle does a tow test within the next 6 months
Tow range on an EV depends more on speed and trailer aero than on weight. An empty horse trailer will cut range in half, while a flatbed of bricks won't.
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I believe the EV9 will be the fastest to recharge for long range towing. I believe the R1S is slightly slower?
The regen stuff is just madness. full regen, half regen, no regen. Those are the only useful options. They spend so much time building stuff no one needs
I picked up my EV9 GT-Line last week from my dealer in France, I also have the excast same issue with the second row seat. I did go back to the dealer and they didnlt have a clue !! So this would indicate that this is a Kia issue. Hopefully they will resolve it soon. I also had to do a firmware update to get the wireless Carplay. Great videos, thank you
Interesting that this would happen more than once. I hope your issue gets resolved soon. I'm still bound to my Model 3 for a while, but I will be ordering the EV9 soon. I hope you enjoy yours, from all I've seen it's an awesome vehicle!
Have you tried moving the driver seat forward first? Pretty sure the 2nd row seats won't fold down if it detects the driver seat is too far back and the headrest won't clear while folding.
Funny you should mention that, I was playing around with the infotainment unit and there is a function to fold the seat from there as well as the switch in the back. So I pressed the seat that wasnlt working and it displayed the message "driver seat too far forward" so I move the seat forward a little and it worked. I then tried to show the wife how cleaver I was, and with the front seat virtually touching the steering wheel it doesn't move. So it's definitely a Kia issue. The passenger seat can be way further back and when you the fold switch it moves the passenger seat to a position that doesn't prevent it from folding.
Overall it's a super compelling vehicle but I can't help but think that they missed the chance to absolutely hit it out of the park. If they had taken the time to make the front trunk a bit more "Lightning-ish" then it would have been a slam dunk. 3 row SUVs are always a bit challenged in the cargo department but EVs offer the opportunity to remedy that with amazing space up front to augment the rear. I really think they dropped the ball by making the frunk such an after thought.
the lightning sucks as an electric truck, as a plain transport vehicle its ok. So the KIA design/function/efficiency and build quality is far superior to FORD. Just google ford ev problems...
@@daisycutter869 dude, I get that you're biased but I was simply talking about the design of the frunk, they dropped the ball not making it more useful and large like the lightning's design. It would have made the EV9 an absolutely killer vehicle
Drove past a parked one in my small town in Wales, U.K today, actually surprised me that it didn’t seem as big as I expected. Kind of feel that they missed a trick - should have made it more off road capable, at least as an option.
I'm a really big fan of the EV9. It's comfortable and roomy and has solid features. The problem I see though is it seems to be about $5k-10k over what I'd expect and I think I'm not alone there. There are a lot of them on dealer lots and Kia is offering a fairly significant rebate already. I hope it sells well, but I think a lot of people with gas vehicles that are considering this will have a hard time paying $20k more than a comparable Telluride. And if people want an EV, It's not drastically less than a Rivian R1S which seems superior in many ways. There's a lot to unpack, I just hope it does well.
Gas in the $3s or less, outside California, I think very very few will think spending 70k+ on this is worth it over the ICE offerings. Spending over 40k is even a tough sell when a lot of people's comparable last car 5-10 years ago was probably 20s to low 30s in this segment. I'm thinking my parents and family members not making corporate or tech money, no way they could afford something like this and I think that applies to a lot of America.
Yeah that's my point. I put out a video a month or so discussing the pricing and being worried it won't sell well. Considering most people are getting them at MSRP and Kia is offering attractive lease deals and rebates already, that's not a great sign @@tazeat
Mine just came in and test drive it today. It was great but felt it was $10k too much, esp for the range. I would rather spend a little more and get the base r1s w more range and power.
@@Wasabi9111 yeah that's my thoughts. I really liked the GT-Line and the Land trims when I got to spend some time with them, but I just worry people will not be willing to spend the money on them over an R1S or Lucid Gravity when it comes out.
Many people have good dealership experiences, especially in Canada where selling over MSRP is often not an issue. As supply increases the price gouging will be less of a problem. Some brands are moving to online sales with pickup at a dealership to eliminate prices over MSRP
On the Dog mode front, it doesn’t allow you to monitor the temperature, but you can put it into Utility Mode and it will run the cars HVAC system until you drain the battery. I use it on my Niro EV and it keeps the car ice cold in 110° Temperature. With Utility mode you have to restart the car to drive it, so if someone were to break in, they couldn’t drive your car away if you took the keys with you.
i have an ev6 and i like when the car announces that "charging started" it's convenient especially if there are others waiting to charge cause some people like to walk up to you and ask "how long will you be?"... i also have the option to turn it off or to lower the volume of the announcement... quite a few of the features that kyle likes already exists in the ev6, I'm surprised that he's surprised by these features (like the different regen options and ipedal) when he reviewed the ev6 and didn't seem that impressed by those same features.
I know the autoregen mode from my I6, it not only changes regen based on distance to the front car it also seems to use map data to know the geometry of the road.
Re: a start button. I'm known for being something of a curmudgeon, but I've driven two cars without a start button _and did not like it at all_ Bottom line it comes down to this: I want to tell the car what to do, and I don't want it making decisions for me. While 95% of the time the cars-without-buttons are making the right decision, the 5% is supremely irritating - want to leave the climate control on for your passenger while you run out and check a mailbox? Now you have to learn some trick or dig into the infotainment screen to figure out how to do that. Need to just grab something from the glove compartment? I don't need the car coming on and ramping up the A/C compressor. The worst offender to me was the windshield wipers. The XC40 Recharge I just rented decided to turn them on before I had even sat down. That's not helpful! It's flinging water at me since it decided it should turn on by itself. It's a single button push and I don't understand why people get so worked up about it. While I'm all for giving people the option of "drive-and-go" or whatever, I would much prefer that be *an option* and a power button is left in-place for the old codgers like me that want their car to behave as they expect it to behave and don't want to learn new tricks to make it do what it used to do. Plus, I'd rather it be there as a means of emergency shut-down. And if I'm honest, I like the confirmation that I have turned off the car. It always left me uneasy leaving the Volvo since it wasn't apparent at all that it had shut down. Brains are different and what we want is different - I just thought I'd share my perspective because your assertion that a start button is "silly" kind of rubs me the wrong way. I want one and personally will avoid cars without it (at least as long as I can...)
@@TWellington If the climate control comes on before that, and especially if it turns off on its own when I leave the car, that's not an acceptable substitute for me. I want to know what the car is doing and I want to be in full-control of it. Not half-control.
Greta review Kyle. Wonderful car! Love the section on the regenerate of the car. Comments from Alyssa!! 🙂 Just so great!!! Have a Wonderfull end of the year! Good health and luck to you both! And many roadtrips and reviews!!!!!
i want to know if EVs brake lights turn on when regenerative braking is activated? because regenerative braking is acting like brakes & it's dangerous if it doesn't do that!
I like the start button only that tehy do not have a dog mode or easy leave climate on when you are charging the vehicle, VW ID series shuts off and you need a heavy object to keep the car on.
Definitely want to see an EV9 / Model X / R1S comparison video! Love this stuff - great job!
would be interesting to add a wild card in the form of the ID Buzz - maybe the lineup for the next race?
Yeah the id buzz really is comparable to the EV9.
Rivians are def my favorite evs rn solely on looks alone, I love the pill shaped headlights its so unique u know what is from 1 mile down the road and it gives it a very friendly and approachable look 🤣
If we’re throwing in the buzz we should also include the ex90 which will probably be available around the same time.
Why a comparison with a Rivian? That’s a SUV. The Kia is a minivan and the Tesla is a crossover. How do you compare three different categories.
Thank you Fort Collins Kia for blessing us with an Out of Spec EV9 video
Watching Alyssa recline into oblivion at 48:45 had me giggling. The look on her face was priceless too.
And it was funny kyle was like what you doing 🤣
If a car accident happens…
I loved it when Alyssa reclined the seat at the 48:48 mark. It was so much fun watching her surprise Kyle like that. Please keep it up Alyssa.
We love our EV9 (Wind AWD) so far! Lucked into one of the first ones in FL!
I live in small town Western Australia, saw this exact same model in the same colour. Absolutely blown away by its presence on the road, go kia!
I owned the first Niro EV in St. Louis 3 plus years ago - put 40,000 miles on it, not 1 issues - loved it, my first EV!! We just upgraded to the Ev6 and have owned 6 KIA's over the years, Rio, Sportage, Sedona, Forte, Niro, Telluride - love them all for price and durability. This vehicle looks great and has so many features for the money! The only thing I do NOT love are the wheels - but that is so minor. We will trade the Telluride for one of these soon I am sure! KIA is the only brand I buy! Never and issue!
Yes please for the 3-way comparison: EV9; R1S; and Model X!
I own a EV9 since november (i come from germany) and i am really happy with the car. Thanks for the review
Thats amazing!
Im really torn between this thing and a Polestar 3. Had a drive in an EV9 and really found it good. Gonna wait to get a drive in a PS3 before i make up my mind. Although if I go for the EV9 I will be replacing the alloys; they are not my cup of tea lol.
This car is impressive and I’m sure it will do well in its segment, but I’d also like to see the EV 5 come here.
Agreed, we have very little choice in Canada and in the USA for compact and affordable wagons and hatchbacks, especially for those on a dedicated and modern EV platform. It will be interesting to see if Hyundai or Kia will beat Tesla to market, as the EX30 will be quite expensive in Canada.
Yes I want to see the battle of ev9 vs rivain r1s
Yeah, all except the 90k battery replacement cost incurred if you only get a small scratch on it.
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@@BigMeanyVids Ev hater spotted.
I had two EV6s and they were pretty amazing. If I needed a bigger ride I would go after the EV9. As of right now, the R1T is still my boo.
EV6 is quite big inside as it is, especially the back seats (limo-like back there)
@@lemongavine it did have a lot of room. I just wanted something that could go offroad
Highly encourage you to do a workshop with the KIA software people... They need a wake-up call.
Man they’d absolutely smash the market if it was 15k less. I love these. This is the colour and spec I’d get! Stormtrooper!
In Canada the vehicle is very close in price to the similar gas Telluride, especially when incentives are available (5k National plus select Provincial rebates)
We don’t have the Telluride in the UK. The nearest we have is the Model X but only left hand drive or the Volvo EX90 both £20K more than the top of the line EV9. Or the BMW iX which is even more expensive spec for spec.
@@andrewlarner6190 hopefully this vehicle encourages greater competition for similar vehicles from other brands in your region, Andrew.
yeah I agree, at close to $80K they are competing against the Model X and Rivian R1S, both of which have air suspension, are much faster, have longer range and more. If the GT Line was $62K it would be really hard to beat.
@@Aegisx5Rivian has more range but The X’s real world range is pretty similar to the EV9. Came in a little lower in Edmunds test while the EV9 exceeded EPA by 34 miles. The Rivian and C still come in over $10k more. And it’s a feature trade off. I would use the Kia’s CarPlay every drive while the 1 sec faster 0-60 is a novelty that’s fun but would rarely be used. I like the look of the Rivian more and it has more cargo capacity but between CarPlay and Kia’s amazing regen control it’s pulling ahead even if they had been price neutral. Better warranty that Rivian (dual motor) or Tesla too.
You guys sure make a good team. Nice job on the videoing. It utterly astounds me that Kyle can remember and keep track of the details from all these vehicles.
Total nerd…gotta love it
It was hilarious when you said you wished it had passenger seat controls from the drivers side when we were staring right at them! LOL!!!
Houses used to cost $75K back in the day! Crazy that's where cars are now!
I got my EV9 GT about a month ago. I've already put on 3k miles and its been worth every penny. I have 0 regrets, I just wish there were better charge options for road trips but no major issues so far. Haul the family and dogs with ease.
4k!
That should be a great one EV9 vs RIV vs Model X, including a range test battle between the three.
until they all have the nacs port and can all supercharge, it seems like the Model X should win by default every time.
I have done some tests on the big battery here in Sweden, 350A is the limit on a “800V” charger, unfortunately only 200A limit if you charge at “400V” a charger. Big disappointment if you are a nerd but OK for normal people.
Hi,
I was able to get mine to charge at 240 KW once at an IONITY station (the big battery); so, not sure about this conversation voltage.
Ioniq 5 owner here, when an E-GMP is in Eco mode, the front motor is normally engaged at low speed (under 10 kph) and during acceleration. That's always been the case. The most efficient way I've found to drive is in Eco mode with Auto regen. That combo seems to give me the maximum range.
Yes! I would love a battle between the MX, R1S, and EV9!
Great video, really excited about this. My wife and I are looking at this to be our first EV, its pretty solid. I hope that the ID Buzz (US Spec) is a similar price to this since that is also on the list for us.
I live down south of Denver and yet I have bought two vehicles (2022 Carnival and 2023 EV6) from Fort Collins Kia over the past two years due to terrible experiences trying to deal with other Kia dealerships in the greater Denver Metropolitan area. They treat you like an actual person and are not super pushy, even in the back office. The person I worked with to buy my EV6 actually knew something about EVs, which was definitely not the case with other dealerships (other Kia, VW, and Hyundai) besides Tesla when I was test driving various vehicles a few months ago before buying my EV6.
About the car though, I really like the concept of the EV9, but with several young kids, I can't imagine buying a car that doesn't have sliding doors. Here is hoping Kia either releases a full EV van or they at least do a plug-in hybrid Carnival in the future.
I am taking delivery of my EV9 GT-line on January 31, 2024, in Michigan with a $3,750 dealer discount.
That’s a more realistic price. Did you lease or purchase?
Thanks Kyle and Alyssa for an honest review I'm in regional Australia and we don't have any start ups or local or imported equivalents due to hit our market till 2028....So I have a Kia ev9 GT Line on order for 2024 May delivery. I have been patiently waiting for an EV with the range and power & charging capability specs to tow a caravan. It also has to accommodate my 4 dogs. Australia only has a bench seat version available in the GT Line which suits me fine but I think families would love the option of the swivel captains mid row seats for Baby capsules. My criteria was V2Grid/home/load although Australia is very behind with the option to do this. I purchased a Leaf in 2020 as it was the only EV capable of V2home. The geeky stuff is important when comparing brands or fulfilling expectations of a fit for purpose EV. So appreciate your reviews over the years.
I saw the beast two weeks ago.. I was impressed by the looks and how big it was.
3 row EV comparison for sure. Model X, Rivian and this. Yes I would cross shop them. You should get some cheap used car seats to install in the back seats. Super helpful for us family’s to see real world use.
I have watched many dozens of your videos. This was my favorite so far. I like how Alyssa is now comfortable in front to the camera. Well done Kyle! Oh, BTW EV9 seems near state of the art!
Someone in a Houston Tesla group I’m in got the gt-line in Dallas and drove it down to Houston a few days ago and charged on the way back and someone asked how it was and he said he maxed out at 275 kw on the EA 350 kw. No pics or videos to prove but he said it was rocking just fine and he loved it
Hint: set playback speed at 1.5. Thanks Kyle and Alyssa for the review! Nice work snagging the review car from the dealer; win / win for the dealer and for the channel.
Thanks for the great review of this important vehicle!
Thank you, Kyle. I'm waiting for Ford's promised 3-row EV SUV, which should be available by the time I'm ready to turn back in my Mach-E GT in July 2026.
Great info. Impressive presentation and commentary.
Great review as usual guys. Love that we're hearing so much of Alyssa's perspective these days as well. I think I share the perspective that Kia keeps surprising us with steps up the ladder in quality, styling, new ideas, etc. given that old timers like myself can remember the entry level cars Kia/Hyundai focused on in my youth. They seem to be moving a bit from the approach of copying the competition by making comparable cars that win on price to one where they are now taking the design and production lead, especially in the EV space. Hopefully their cars won't start to price their traditional customers out of the market going forward.
What’s funny to me is,e, is how so many folk forget Honda, Mazda, and Toyota had the same progression. They were the Japanese junk back in the 70’s and 80’s, and Toyota now owns the world market. Nobody in America wanted to even sell the cars except one dude in California, and A,Erica’s car dealers talked about him like a dog. He was scorned for peddling that “Asian Crap”….. Give Kia/Hyundai a few more years. They’re killing the tech/features/luxury game for the buck. All they need now is stability in the reliability and they’ll definitely be ahead of the pack. Their overall value cannot be beat, but it’s gonna take more reliability to lift their resale value.
The reason for the 552VDC on the large pack: The max DC current on the small battery is 288 Amps. The max DC current on the large battery is 576 Amps. Whatever connection configuration they had, they just doubled it.
Thank you both, great job and i love how you guys are so down to earth even after youve driven and probably owned numerous luxury cars. And there’s nothing wrong with liking the luxury brands its fine if you do but not everyone cares about the badge its about how good the car is regardless of brand for some. Keep up the great work!
The price is outrageous, which is unfortunate because I like the way it looks. But I refuse to pay that price for a Kia. If it was 60k for the GT line, then maybe... But 75k+, nah I'm good.
Should drop maybe 5k once they are pouring out of the West point GA plant and maybe the all new hyundai/Kia metaplant in Savannah Georgia opening in late 2024. Ad built in nacs and tax credit for 2025? Should make this extremely competitive in the 3 row full size ev SUV space. 👍🏻
Would you pay 70k for a Ford?
It’s not about it being a KIA. It’s about mediocre specs for this price. The battery should have been 130 kWh, and then we could have a conversation about the price. The RWD with 200HP? For this size SUV? Seriously, KIA? If it were 350 HP RWD with 130 kWh battery with the EPA range at 400 miles, it would be a very compelling vehicle at this price even being a KIA.
Kia is dumping lots of these on dealers…$7500 factory to customer incentive + dealers discounts exceeding $8K…you got your wish of an EV9 GT-line for $60K.
Wow. I was excited for the EV9 before this video but now I can't wait. Manually-triggered battery conditioning?! I need that on my I5. I was surprised by the strange voltage range on the big battery; hopefully that doesn't cause issues with DC charging. Adding to the chorus: I'd love to see the R1S vs. EV9 comparison specifically. Including the Model X would be a bonus, but I think a lot of buyers will be primarily cross-shopping the first two since they are more traditional SUV shapes with more cargo space. (Just ask the dogs!)
As always, I love all the details in these videos. Thanks, Kyle and Alyssa!
I laughed so hard when Alyssa started putting her seat down 😂
No “dog mode” but “Utility Mode” is a kin to it. Meant for staying inside the vehicle currently you need a mechanical key to lock/unlock the vehicle after exiting. I’ve used it in our IONIQ 5 after checking out of the hotel and before leaving town. Yes I want the vehicle to communicate the temperature or temperature change and directly to anyone looking in the vehicle. Functional but not reassuring is a summary that Hyundai/Kia could address simply. Nice to see a MSRP dealer. 👍🏼 1:15:10
I saw it in person when a blue model made its rounds around the NYC metropolitan area. I was impressed. Remember thinking that the materials were on par with an F150 Ice/electric.
@38:22 thanks Kyle for highlighting what Hyundai Kia do with Lane keep & how it can be turned on always regardless of ACC on! Once I experienced that in a gas Hyundai 4 years ago, I felt every other implementation was dumb!
About to watch this review. I'm hoping to replace my Chevrolet Traverse with this EV9. This Kia is about $20k more than the Chevy so It has to be good.
But they're very different vehicles
So fukin overpriced,
@@tonyn3227 Agree, prices have to come down to lure ICE buyers.
@tlangton yes, but greedy mfgs. Aren't focused on that, they just want high priced vehicles, so they can make huge profits on these. The one that ever makes $22k ev at 300mile range , will destroy all others , all this other crap, doesn't really mean anything for 80%.
@@tlangton I want to buy an EV9 too.
When it comes time to replace my Ioniq 5, this will be my top choice. 61,000 miles with zero problems. 3 round trips across North America. It’s been to 48 states and 6 Canadian provinces.
10:33 If I’m not mistaken, Kia’s pack voltage ratings are at around 0% SOC, so 552 V is 552 V dead. For comparison, the EV6 pack is rated at something like 697 V. Presumably this should stay in the “boost” regime the whole time.
Wind is no problem with a cathedral on wheels like this - as long as it comes from the rear💨
I have the Land trim, it's sick. I have the tow package with air suspension out back. It has a standard size receiver and electrical hookup! It's a true "sport" utility vehicle. It's just huge inside, and I'm getting 300 miles of range in 40-50F.
Great review! The car looks amazing, I own an Ioniq 5 4WD, and I think this one is soon gonna replace it
It's a fantastic car no doubt about, but for a couple of thousand more, $80,000, I'd get a Lucid Gravity. Gr8 vid as usual.🚗🇺🇸🔌⚡
I really want the Volvo EX90. I wonder how the leasing will differ to the EV9 at max spec
Smaller battery has higher peak power but big battery has a wider charge curve basicaly as flat as it gets. So far in the test the charge curve in the 99.8kW battery is ridiculously good and keeps a average charging speed in a -15 degree celcius from 15 to 80% at over 180kWs. And i've had it peak at 216kW even spec sheet says 210kW. That is some mad boss level of charging.
Interest factor is an artifice, pure and simple that disguises the actual interest rate in this particular case 7.3 for the Highwind and 5.9 for the lower one. Which is crazy considering current interest rates.
For Kyle to be impressed it says a lot.
3:26 - yes please!
I hope this sells well and they bring the EV5 to the US. Smaller package with all this tech would be perfect
That is a Supersized Soul EV (2020 Limited Trim that I have in Canada), mine had no issues since new other then 12volt battery, this is just an awesome camping vehicle and should prove to be super reliable!
Good to see people with positive reviews. Not for our budget minded family but do enjoy Kia.
It finally happened! Alyssa is also wearing a hoodie!!!!
I seen the Kia dealership here in Dallas and it’s $81k for the LX. 😮💨😮💨😮💨
What dealer is this?!! Might as well get a Model X. Hoping the one in Frisco doesn't have it that extreme!!
Kia EV9 ---
0-60 mph acceleration: 7.7 seconds
Price: starts at $56,395 and goes up to $75,395
Range: up to 304 miles
This looks really good. I hope they can put together a 2-Row EV/SUV with similar value. This one is just larger than I will ever need.
This is just totally random but I traded in my 2020 Hyundai Kona SEL Plus AWD and the factory Infinity audio system was amazing. Only 315 watts but the subwoofer and great speakers sounded so good in such a small car.
Manual Battery Preconditioning is a big deal! Please do more testing. Can you activate it with less than 20% SoC??? That has been a huge limitation for existing eGMP vehicles!!!
Appearantly it now actives over 10%. That's a lot better, but it should do it even lower if manually selected.
EV9 - Model X - R1S… Yes!
I would love to see the comparison between the EV9, the model X and the R1S. I’m considering all three as a replacement for my current tow vehicle. Contenders must be able to tow a minimum of 5000 pounds and have a towing range of at least 125 miles.
These three SUV's are amazing and you can't really go wrong with either, just depends on your needs. If towing is your main goal, out of these 3 options, the R1S is your best bet. The Model X and EV9 can only tow max 5,000. The R1S can tow 7,500, so if 5000 minimum is your must have, really the R1s is your only option. The range between the three while towing will be pretty similar, but the R1S probably has the edge. The only problem with the R1S and EV9 is the public charging network isn't as good as Tesla, but hopefully that will be changing next year; so my unsolicited two cents would be the R1S. The EV9 and R1S have a more usable third row than the X, so if you need to sit more people and really use that third row, I'd rule the X out. We personally have the 3 row X and that 3rd row is just not enjoyable for road trips. As far as features between the R1S and EV9, I'd go for the Rivian because we can see they are frequently doing over the air updates, making chargers, and really striving for a continual better user experience similar to Tesla through app integration and software changes, whereas who knows how much over the air software changes Kia will do.
TLDR: R1S
@@jeffreygeiger3824 I checked out the Rivian R1S and the EV9 at the Los Angeles auto show. The second row seat leg room in the Rivian is tight at only 36 inches while the EV9 is 41 inches. By comparison my Mach e second row leg room is 38 inches. My boat and trailer weigh 5000 pounds so hopefully Kyle does a tow test within the next 6 months
I recommend EV9. No doubt. Overall, EV9 is better.
Tow range on an EV depends more on speed and trailer aero than on weight. An empty horse trailer will cut range in half, while a flatbed of bricks won't.
I believe the EV9 will be the fastest to recharge for long range towing. I believe the R1S is slightly slower?
The regen stuff is just madness. full regen, half regen, no regen. Those are the only useful options. They spend so much time building stuff no one needs
Today … YES! I WILL PAY THAT FOR A KIA .
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This is the best car review channel on TH-cam, period.
They should make the carnival an ev
Or even a hybrid and awd... would totally steal some of the sienna sales esp the ones the sienna shortage can't fill!
@@rhuynhwish I could find a sienna.
How does it compare to a model X?
Ev9 vs MX would be nice!
Model X is so different in size it's like comparing an E golf to a 4 runner.
@@JonathanRootDthey're both available as 3 row SUVs
I picked up my EV9 GT-Line last week from my dealer in France, I also have the excast same issue with the second row seat. I did go back to the dealer and they didnlt have a clue !! So this would indicate that this is a Kia issue. Hopefully they will resolve it soon. I also had to do a firmware update to get the wireless Carplay. Great videos, thank you
Interesting that this would happen more than once. I hope your issue gets resolved soon.
I'm still bound to my Model 3 for a while, but I will be ordering the EV9 soon. I hope you enjoy yours, from all I've seen it's an awesome vehicle!
Have you tried moving the driver seat forward first? Pretty sure the 2nd row seats won't fold down if it detects the driver seat is too far back and the headrest won't clear while folding.
Funny you should mention that, I was playing around with the infotainment unit and there is a function to fold the seat from there as well as the switch in the back. So I pressed the seat that wasnlt working and it displayed the message "driver seat too far forward" so I move the seat forward a little and it worked. I then tried to show the wife how cleaver I was, and with the front seat virtually touching the steering wheel it doesn't move. So it's definitely a Kia issue. The passenger seat can be way further back and when you the fold switch it moves the passenger seat to a position that doesn't prevent it from folding.
Overall it's a super compelling vehicle but I can't help but think that they missed the chance to absolutely hit it out of the park. If they had taken the time to make the front trunk a bit more "Lightning-ish" then it would have been a slam dunk. 3 row SUVs are always a bit challenged in the cargo department but EVs offer the opportunity to remedy that with amazing space up front to augment the rear. I really think they dropped the ball by making the frunk such an after thought.
I have the Long Range option and it’s a lot bigger than the frunk in this video. I can fit a travel suitcase in the frunk
@@breehuynh8836 does that mean you have a RWD one?
the lightning sucks as an electric truck, as a plain transport vehicle its ok. So the KIA design/function/efficiency and build quality is far superior to FORD. Just google ford ev problems...
@@daisycutter869 dude, I get that you're biased but I was simply talking about the design of the frunk, they dropped the ball not making it more useful and large like the lightning's design. It would have made the EV9 an absolutely killer vehicle
That is one area where the Rivian really excels compared to the EV9. The Rivian's frunk is huge.
Drove past a parked one in my small town in Wales, U.K today, actually surprised me that it didn’t seem as big as I expected. Kind of feel that they missed a trick - should have made it more off road capable, at least as an option.
I'm a really big fan of the EV9. It's comfortable and roomy and has solid features. The problem I see though is it seems to be about $5k-10k over what I'd expect and I think I'm not alone there. There are a lot of them on dealer lots and Kia is offering a fairly significant rebate already. I hope it sells well, but I think a lot of people with gas vehicles that are considering this will have a hard time paying $20k more than a comparable Telluride. And if people want an EV, It's not drastically less than a Rivian R1S which seems superior in many ways. There's a lot to unpack, I just hope it does well.
Gas in the $3s or less, outside California, I think very very few will think spending 70k+ on this is worth it over the ICE offerings. Spending over 40k is even a tough sell when a lot of people's comparable last car 5-10 years ago was probably 20s to low 30s in this segment. I'm thinking my parents and family members not making corporate or tech money, no way they could afford something like this and I think that applies to a lot of America.
Yeah that's my point. I put out a video a month or so discussing the pricing and being worried it won't sell well. Considering most people are getting them at MSRP and Kia is offering attractive lease deals and rebates already, that's not a great sign @@tazeat
Mine just came in and test drive it today. It was great but felt it was $10k too much, esp for the range. I would rather spend a little more and get the base r1s w more range and power.
@@Wasabi9111 yeah that's my thoughts. I really liked the GT-Line and the Land trims when I got to spend some time with them, but I just worry people will not be willing to spend the money on them over an R1S or Lucid Gravity when it comes out.
Need a towing test too!
80k SUV buyers won't put up with a Kia dealership experience.
Lol good point that is often missed by reviewers
This car is brand new and the left rear seat malfunctions. What an advertisement for dubious Kia quality.
Many people have good dealership experiences, especially in Canada where selling over MSRP is often not an issue. As supply increases the price gouging will be less of a problem. Some brands are moving to online sales with pickup at a dealership to eliminate prices over MSRP
Ah man. That’s the sad part. I’d want this car. But don’t want to deal with BS STEALERSHIPS…
“10k market adjustment.” GTFO
People practically stand in line for a $50k Telluride. Kia is doing well these days.
On the Dog mode front, it doesn’t allow you to monitor the temperature, but you can put it into Utility Mode and it will run the cars HVAC system until you drain the battery. I use it on my Niro EV and it keeps the car ice cold in 110° Temperature. With Utility mode you have to restart the car to drive it, so if someone were to break in, they couldn’t drive your car away if you took the keys with you.
i have an ev6 and i like when the car announces that "charging started" it's convenient especially if there are others waiting to charge cause some people like to walk up to you and ask "how long will you be?"... i also have the option to turn it off or to lower the volume of the announcement... quite a few of the features that kyle likes already exists in the ev6, I'm surprised that he's surprised by these features (like the different regen options and ipedal) when he reviewed the ev6 and didn't seem that impressed by those same features.
Yes to the comparo w/ModelX
Yes, check charging performance v ModelX & Rivian R1S
Please try and get explanation for voltage/pack decision.
the purpose of the captain seats is so you can go to the 3rd row seats through the center aisle.
I know the autoregen mode from my I6, it not only changes regen based on distance to the front car it also seems to use map data to know the geometry of the road.
I wish GT line came with 7 seats! When its truly being showcased as a family SUV
The nearest deal to me has a markup. Most of the rest are at sticker or less. The dealer near my office is $5K under sticker on the GT-Line
The markups will not last for long at all, that o can tell you! Dealerships are hemorrhaging these cars!!
Definitely would hold off on one of these until NACS goes into effect in ‘late 2024.’
Love the manual activate button for battery pre-conditioning and the regen paddle capabilities.
Will the KIA EV9 get a more advanced driver assistance system than HDA2? Thanks!
Great video! But will the Lucid Gravity be a better buy?
Room for the pups or the kids, we think so! ✅
Would love to see an EV9, R1S and X race to Vegas.
Re: a start button. I'm known for being something of a curmudgeon, but I've driven two cars without a start button _and did not like it at all_
Bottom line it comes down to this: I want to tell the car what to do, and I don't want it making decisions for me. While 95% of the time the cars-without-buttons are making the right decision, the 5% is supremely irritating - want to leave the climate control on for your passenger while you run out and check a mailbox? Now you have to learn some trick or dig into the infotainment screen to figure out how to do that.
Need to just grab something from the glove compartment? I don't need the car coming on and ramping up the A/C compressor.
The worst offender to me was the windshield wipers. The XC40 Recharge I just rented decided to turn them on before I had even sat down. That's not helpful! It's flinging water at me since it decided it should turn on by itself.
It's a single button push and I don't understand why people get so worked up about it. While I'm all for giving people the option of "drive-and-go" or whatever, I would much prefer that be *an option* and a power button is left in-place for the old codgers like me that want their car to behave as they expect it to behave and don't want to learn new tricks to make it do what it used to do. Plus, I'd rather it be there as a means of emergency shut-down. And if I'm honest, I like the confirmation that I have turned off the car. It always left me uneasy leaving the Volvo since it wasn't apparent at all that it had shut down.
Brains are different and what we want is different - I just thought I'd share my perspective because your assertion that a start button is "silly" kind of rubs me the wrong way. I want one and personally will avoid cars without it (at least as long as I can...)
All cars have a start button, just with some the start button is located on the brake pedal. 👍
@@TWellington If the climate control comes on before that, and especially if it turns off on its own when I leave the car, that's not an acceptable substitute for me. I want to know what the car is doing and I want to be in full-control of it. Not half-control.
Greta review Kyle. Wonderful car! Love the section on the regenerate of the car. Comments from Alyssa!! 🙂 Just so great!!! Have a Wonderfull end of the year! Good health and luck to you both! And many roadtrips and reviews!!!!!
Looks like a new order storm trooper
i want to know if EVs brake lights turn on when regenerative braking is activated? because regenerative braking is acting like brakes & it's dangerous if it doesn't do that!
yes, do the 3 way, side by side comparison. particularly want to see the size comparison.
Think this is going to be the new escalade replacement especially in an black on black with tinted windows
Nah. Secret Service ain’t ridin’ in no KIA!
I’m impressed with the video quality, all from an iPhone 🙌
I like the start button only that tehy do not have a dog mode or easy leave climate on when you are charging the vehicle, VW ID series shuts off and you need a heavy object to keep the car on.
It's truly gameover Kia EV9 top of the line around 77K vs Telluride top of the line 55k
Great video!
Alyssa is so good with the camera!