Susan Tan** Yes!! Mr Edwin is very good in patience & "SOLID"!!! Really did a good 👍 !! Can tell that stupid " ZERO-SENIOR WP DP" no way to" run" keep on lies even worse than RK !! 💣
Please take necessary action on him seriously if found any fault or incorporative or try to lie during this meeting! Really waste of tax payers money here. Pls investigate further on him !
If Singapore is governed by quality leaders like him, we will be gone case. He is an MP, yet seems not very educated, intelligent and competent at all.
Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. Goodness .he doesn't want to answer the questions despite being asked to so many times . He cannot even speak eloquently
FaizalM did not realise he could not answer "I refuse to answer that'. He had no idea about the objective of a COP hearing. The Chairman told him he could be charged with contempt of court...but it seemed to hv been lost on him.
@@cathhl2440 May be he didn't understand the word. Give him the benefit of the doubt. But by claiming he kept quiet and didn't query Singh about why no action for three mths because he trusted Singh completely to do the right thing regarding RKhan's lie, he painted a picture of himself as a free rider in the WP leadership.
Faisal is getting WP into trouble. He have trouble understanding the direct questions. He just push everything to RK that she will ask questions. It is the onus of him as a mentor to find out too.
Pity him lah. First time experience - virginal. The questions were direct only when the panel wanted to nail him. Other than that, the questions were often meandering, twisting and turning and repetitive either to confound him or to catch him unwittingly saying something different - in the interest of clarity or unambiguity. Of course, he has to be reminded now and then that he is speaking under oath and it's an offence and punishable for not telling the truth. That will surely put fear into anyone facing the panel. Let's wait for the Singh to appear and see how he perform - surely the panel will leave it as the grand finale - the ultimate nail.
Edwin Tong is damn brilliant in questioning..he simply know what he wants to know. Awesome lawyer..No play play with Shumuggam , Indranee Rajah n Edwin Tong
@@westwoodly Every lawyer will represent good and bad people. Nothing wrong with it. Even the baddest person deserves highest justice. Subbhas did the same Is he a bad person to defend Adrian Lim the murderer or Took or one eyed dragon? They are lawyers
@@coshinc5941 Sure, they always justify that it's their profession, their job. One wonders whether they feel good or proud getting a murderer of a child or a drug trafficker off the hook. I'm just wondering!
The way Manap responded brings shame to WP. His incompetence to speak, reason and understand is appalling. WP shd just dissolve. Waste tax payers money.
Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. He does not even want to answer the questions being asked despite being reminded many times. Goodness cannot even speak eloquently
Difficulties in recalling the simplest of events and simple questions - Faisal Manap was working the night off trying to memorise scripted answers and sequence of events. Edwin tong masterfully tore through his scripts. It all concluded with Edwin getting Faisal to agree, that he was behaving illogically as a senior leadership by not stepping up to right a wrong despite being completely aware of it. And that Faisal Manap have had privy knowledge to Khan’s lie from the onset, but he alleged that he did not discuss/comment/advise/communicate on ANYTHING to ANYONE for a good 3+ months, and nothing commented/discussed when he further heard that Khan continued to lie on Oct parliamentary.
@@westwoodly It appears to be so because Faisal is substandard and had trouble following Edwin’s questions. Let’s wait for Sylvia Lim and Pritam Singh. SL will be on equal footing with Edwin, she’s a lawyer too but she tends to rush thru her words and appears impatient at times. It would be interesting to see how PS is going to take questions from the panel, especially from Edwin 😂
That is the purpose of this COP. To find out why as a MP, having known a fact that the integrity of SPF, for which he is supposed to uphold, is keeping quiet and allowed the allegation to go on for 3 months. Even a commoner who knows a fact to a crime could also blow the whistle, let alone as a MP. Sympathy could be granted to RK for her ordeal but time MUST be set for her to come clean and definitely NOT 3 months which is dragging the integrity of SPF. I do not think anyone from SPF would appreciate this. Try explaining to SPF. This is a gross mis-management of the whole episode.
The whole proceeding cost millions - not just 16k! Can use that amount to buy more Covid vaccine! Proceeding should conclude long ago in the quickest possible time! What's happened to Singapore's well-known efficiency?
@@westwoodly Sure is a good question to be posted to WP. If PS /WP having this knowledge in August and decided to take proper action earlier, it would not have come to this.
Cotton comes from sheep. Education minister. How much is he paid???! Cannot even say monitor. Always says morningtor.... Why education minister like this LOR
@@rolandhng9322 That's a convenient afterthought like "I told you so!" (Sorry me no WP supporter.). What's proper can be interpreted as "improper" by others at different time, different setting!
Trust is earned when actions meet words.. Honesty is the top uppermost best policy.. Pure white in Integrity..is a MUST for the dignity of our country.
100% agree with you. What is judgement call and he left it to the leader, Pritam. I trust him is the reasoning he gave. And he didn't even bother to ask RK or Pritam. Very strange way of justifying and he agrees that it's illogical. What a nightmare we are witnessing
Exactly precisely.agree integrity is essential in key personnels holding such high positions. Goodness. He is also not going to answer the questions and being reminded many times he is required to do so.
U r right . He wants to save himself first . He ,sylvialim and PS unreasonsbly put their own political and self interests above residents' well being. As resident of aljunied grc under his constituency i am experiencing all of his denials ,excuses and not doing the daily essential maintenance as proven in my f.b posts
Can this calibre of people represent Spore? His understanding of questions are so poor. Opposition for the sake of Opposition is not good for Spore. What kind of CEC is that? They didn't even disclose the information of the key witnesses plus the omitted the facts that the senior leaders were informed of the lie by RK.
It’s very disappointing knowing that this is the calibre of the opposition. I really hope they as a whole can do better, especially WP. With this kind of leadership, I have serious doubt on their ability to lead and manage SG. Opposition members’ integrity and character leaves a lot to be desired though.
Wow, this kind of incompetent senior member of WP is a worry sign! How can he represent the people of his community in Parliament. It's waste of tax payers monies.
Exactly precisely. Worst still he doesn't want to answer the questions despite repeatedly asked to do so. Goodness he cannot even speak eloquently stammering in his speech
1. Mr Faisal role as MP - he should be acting as an MP not a social worker. Country’s interests should be first priority (logically and not logically LOL). So betraying RK’s trust is not okay but failing Singapore and SPF is okay? 2. I really wanna ask what’s his role as an VP. Everything also trust PS, dont know anything… Poor judgment. 3. But I feel like he’s still a genuinely nice person :( Damn.
@@brmin7312 If you take it at face value, he is trying so hard to behave like a clown that it is hard not to believe him😅 But the strategy is so obvious that to leave it to all PS to answer in case they contradict each other.
@@rolandhng9322 You are absolutely right. It was so obvious that there was a plan to say that he left it to Pritam. They knew that if he speaks, there will be a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies to address. Very obvious.He also acted blur and like a clown. WP leaders are deceptive.
A layman reader's observation and thoughts : Lawyers or inquisitors seem to be trained to repeat questions or same thing again and again, and yet again, in different words or nuances in quick succession --- in other words to beat about the bush or opportunistic trolling - so that something may turn up eventually or opportunistically! And of course to paraphase or reword what has been said to the inquisitor's satisfaction (you mean, it was not pure white but a little off-white, isn't it?). It can easily confound the witness or interviewee - and most exasperating to the most patient audience watching in the court gallery, or the CoP in this case. The witness can easily get tired or "caught" unwittingly swaying into something different. A shrewd lawyer easily latch on it, and keeping hammering on it. So other than asking "when did you stop beating your wife?" rather than "did you beat your wife?'. It may go something like this : Did you drink the water? (No!). Did you at any time sip the water? (No!) Did you see some liquid in the glass? (Can't remember). Was there any thoughts in your mind to drink the water, any at all ? (can't remember). Was the glass transparent? (Yes). Was the glass clean or dirty? .... An alert and unnervous witness is best to ask questions in return to make the inquisitors just as exasperated : Can you repeat your question? (sure...), Can you speaker louder (or softer, less aggressive?) Can you make your questions easier for understanding? Can you be more direct in your questioning? (sure...), Can you speak in simpler terms or in English (or in Malay, Tamil, Mandarin, etc)... If all things fail, just make a simple request: "I wish to go to the toilet! It's urgent!" : )
The comments are so far mild, his cognitive appreciation of this process is darn SHALLOW, I would not hesitate to say he also has weak command of English, using phrasal words but unable to apply it conjunctively, so failing his understanding of many of the words, contextually.. It's not our prerogative to say how the WP selects or appoints its leaders, however, it must never be empty of the understanding that it must do due diligence, in establishing some system of criteria for roles and to hold office positions, to assure the constituents it can function and professionally discharge all the responsibilities it purports to serve its constituents. In light of this, its leaders must therefore be more than able to articulate or proposition needs and concerns of its constituents in Parliament, if not only to further the legitimacy of an Opposition presence in Singapore's Parliament. This so-called "wayang" has been coined by many of the informed public, but from the testimonies of other WP members, which now has been proven that it wasn't vindictive, as many people has made it out to be. Edwin's adept questioning has brought out relevancy and some complicity of the WP leadership has in the impugned integrity as a Parliamentarian, which now includes several WP leadership members, and their direct roles in maintaining and ultimately lead to an extended tenure of Raeesah's lie to Parliament. Shamefully, it is now veering into a clownish expose, or should I say moronic "I will not answer that question" show of lack of qualified substance in the WP stable.. Not wayang anymore, the fish is out of water and flapping... Mr Faisal shouldn't be re-instated as a Parliamentarian , enough drama.
Clearly , opposition for the sake of opposition and evasiveness of the highest order. Seriously, the WP, and for that matter any credible political party, should exercise QC and judgement in its choice of leadership and not just pick any bloke who is more aggressive and articulate in their opinions. The failure would have dire consequence for the party , and , no less, the Country.
Yes Mr Edwin Tong is so patient with him. Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. Goodness he doesn't even want to answer the questions despite being asked to do so repeatedly. He cannot even speak eloquently stuttering over his speech
I find it very painful to watch FM trying to defend worker party. He is so weak and I find him really unsuitable to be a senior member of the Worker Party!
I also , think one punch to this stupied WP guy, cannot be 3 person sitting in 1 table , cannot don't take anything , how big is Pritam dinning table ?
It is really worrying whenever I see members of the parliament having so much difficulty in speaking. Not just Faisal but Don Wee too. But that aside, Faisal agreed on all logical and reasonableness the series of things that should have occurred but didn’t because he trusted Pritam. He has more concern over the comments they received on a parliamentary speech that affected the Muslim community than a lie that affected the police and sexual assault victims. And as a leader, he has trouble seeing the conflict of interest and how not disclosing the leader’s involvement since Aug has a significant impact in the outcome. It’s even more worrying that that his logic is warped.
To put witnesses at ease, the panelists shouldn't be seated higher than the witness. That already has a psychological impact on the proceeding as who has a higher authority or greater power. It belittles the witness, like a small animal in a corner ready to be told off or whacked. Imagine going into a classroom, and the teacher stands on a platform looming over her students.
He knew about the lies (first and second time) but didn't do anything... "I trust Pritam" x 1,000,000 "What stopped you (Faisal Manap) from asking Mr Singh?" "Trust!" "Is it the same for other issues that you don't need to clarify and don't need to ask? Just hand everything to Mr. Pritam Singh?" "Yes!" You have your own duties but seems like you are not doing them, Mr. Faisal. This dude just doesn't have much a say in the WP. He is just trying to save himself as much as possible for now. th-cam.com/video/sR0a3Wnm7OM/w-d-xo.html
Says much about his character and ability. He is either too trustful of PS or simply bo chap! Looks like he is pushing the responsibility to PS, either way, it reflects badly on him as a leader and MP.
@@coshinc5941 Even a junior member would be concerned on this development as it would impact WP. He can maintained that he does not discuss and get involve in this matter. He is also pushing everything to PS and he played no part in it.
Fairly obvious that Faisal has difficult time following Desmond's line of questioning. His listening comprehension simply cmi. The weakest link by far. GG, COP.
@@pansylim6254 Simple Yes or No also can't answer. He isn't that simple or innocent at all. Just because he think he has a support base he can behave dishonesty and cunningly.
Apparently he regretted revealing to Mr Tong he had blindly going all out to keep her. Now has to act blur and say Mr Singh has better relationship with her.
As a Malay only one word to describe this... HANCUR. Well no need to guess the weak link in this saga. This video clearly shows the reality. Politic aside can I leave Singapore fate to this type of calibre ?
Charge him for contempt of parliament. This is a simple question, highly relevant about whether they colluded to cover up telling RK to take it to the grave. The fact he is refusing to cooperate on such a simple matter is a huge red flag.
When I see this , I feel so sad. This Faizal is really very evasive and couldn't even answer very simple questions. And he is the vice chairman of WP. Can he represent us in world stage?
@@rslin4888 totally agree with u. Worsening of my blk as they do not maintain my blk while they are serving and focus on 226 serangoon ave 4 and they have truly been biased against my blk and not giving equal service whereby keeping the floor there clear while black patches at my blk floor tiles uncleared for years and providing hand sanitiser only for 226 residents. In addition ahtc call centre had been evading my calls. Absolutely terrible service and shocking indeed that discrimination against residents happen in SG.As proven in my FB posts .pls look at my posts.
Can't believe our first world government is spend these amount of resources into this issue ~.RK lied and its a fact and she resigned. need to go into she told who and who about her lies and did her party leader advice her correctly and prompt her to speak up the truth in the very first instance? She is an adult, not a kid ~Besides, 7-8 MPs sitting inside the COP for 3 hours+ cost how much taxpayers money? ~
Can we just move forward ? This line of questioning is horrendous. Don't assume and don't suggest things that you think because you don't know anything. Focus on the person that lied and stop the drama.
Oh my.....so painful watching him answering.....more painful for the committee to listen to him stuttering throughout and can't even answer to the simple yes/no q...seriously.....an mp material??
Although the questioning maybe be confusing and leading at times , but I’m more disappointed on Faisal’s level of comprehension . Sorry to say even I understood the questions right away when it is asked the first time , I’m not sure if it is done on purpose to stall or is he really having that much difficulty in understanding the questions. And why does he keep asking ‘ in related to ? ‘ after every question.It’s about the Lie , all questions are about the LIE ! Not the muslim issues or RK’s personal trauma .This was difficult to watch
@@jasmineteo9883 yes I’m sure E Tong will ask him again, are you sure, you are not sure what documents they have it with them? And Faisal should answer, yes I am absolutely sure and if you have doubt, you can ask them 😂
@@sitiaminahchannel215 Frankly speaking, can’t believe his words. He acknowledged it is a serious problem and as one of a senior leader, does not even ask anything over a such a long period of time and only trust PS would solve.
*Summary*: I everything also dunno don’t ask me, even tho I m a party leader. The party didn’t try to address her lies even tho we knew. Ask Pritam. Pritam should have done something. Btw, Raeesah is a liar. Don’t trust her. Trust me.
This ET is making more than $$42K a month. ESM said his new salary of Est $500K a year is not enough for him to take care of wife and in-law. After giving out a $2M a year income. SINGAPORE - Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong has sounded a warning that Cabinet ministers are not paid enough and that down the road, Singapore will be confronted with the problem of getting competent people to join the Government. Speaking at a dialogue with South East District residents last week, he disclosed that MP Edwin Tong, a lawyer, took a 75 per cent pay cut when he became a senior minister of state on July 1. Mr Tong had previously earned more than $2 million a year as a senior counsel and now makes about $500,000, Mr Goh said.
Faisal Manap Vice Chairman $16K pm x12 =$200K pa. He's MP since 2011 till now, 11 years. So far, $200K x 11 years =$2.2 Million!! Does Vice Chairman gets a higher pay? What is the role of a WP Vice Chairman?
ET: Did they bring any other documents to the meeting? FM: I do not want to answer that question. ET: (repeats question) FM: (adamantly repeats the same answer) ET: I don't want you to get in trouble with that answer (i.e. saying he refuses to answer). TCJ: (reminds FM that he can be held in contempt for that kind of refusal to answer) FM: (stubbornly) I do not want to answer that question. Facepalm! Poor uncle didn't understand he could say he didn't know but never refuse to answer.
He is not trained as a lawyer who could twist and turn with words, and use verbose synonyms and double negatives to confound the witness or stun them. Lawyers are able to wriggle or drill a square peg into a round hole. He will be an underdog in a court tussle - with the judge or chairman constantly reminding you or threatening you about the oath you took. Yes, he could have just said I have no answer to that question.
"First of all, she a young lady... (She is not young!) .... Repeat, she is a young lady'.... She is not young; she is 28 years old, and a mother of two.' 'I don't think we should get into this discussion (by the person who first raise the issue!)' - in other words, except the fact that she is a young lady (the kids in primary and secondary school think she is not young!) Seems there are lot of false questions. Lawyers' favourite "simple questions" or false questions (other than law school Course 101 - when did you beat your wife rather than did you beat your wife!) go something like this : "Did you drink the water?" (No!) "Did you sip the water?' (No!) Was there any odour in the water? (I didn't smell!) Did you think or dream about wanting to sip the water? (No!) "Ok, you remember the white container that holds the liquid is made of glass? (I think so!) Was the glass transparent? (Don't know!) Was the glass dirty or clean (Didn't notice!) "Do you agree that it was not white, but a shade of grey? (Arrrrh!) Can you tell me what the witness's "perspective" is? How can I know her perspective? Can you tell me why the witness lie? (how could I know). Ok, can you think of a good reason why she lie? (I can't think about it !) Ok then, you can think now! (Arrrh! I need to go toilet! It's urgent!)
@@kafkacommercialstudios4124 , The chairman should have intervened and stopped that line of questioning. TCJ is not doing his job... This is how you end up with a 5-hour long hearing with a lot of irrelevant questions.
@@appl2597 the COP already mention so many times "to the best of your knowledge", "in your perspective". The COP is not asking the absolute truth but what he observed. And like the previous comment say, he could have just answered "i dont know" you can simply compare his actions to that of loh peying and nathan. Both of them are younger and less experience in public speaking than faisal, yet they show more maturity and logical thinking than him
He is just going to ask questions non stop until he says WP told her to lie and continue to lie. Nobody is going to eat or rest or go toilet or go home until he he agrees with him. Omg! Such patience and endurance they have. 😵 I would have gone like you have asked me that question already. Please stop asking me the same questions over and over again! I have answered that already!!! Already!!!
I dont think you understand how the legal system works.... heard of the LSAT (law school admissions test)? Lawyers are trained in logical reasoning, critical thinking, objective questioning etc... Despite the frustratingly painful to listen to performance of MP faisal, edwin is merely questioning faisal to establishing the plausibilities and possibilities of the surrounding situation behind WP's knowledge of the matter and their subsequent course of action or inaction around RK's lie to determine reasonable culpibility. Its just like how frustrating it is when reading WP supporters' commments online after you get past the blatant fake profiles and fake names, and deciding if the entity on the other end of the keyboard is a troll or is it the brain, reasoning ability, and general knowledge of how govt works, is weak. Im always biased to the latter.
Faisal was lying! Awaiting to see how PS and SL tell the same lies! Apart from this, I doubt the capability and intelligence of Faisal apart from he learning to tell lies at the instructions from PS and SL.
So much time and effort spent on this matter. Is this what is meant by " having to spend more time to fix them when more opposition MPs are voted into Parliament" instead of spending more time on governing, and in this present time, managing the pandemic?
They just twist and turn. He agrees that his actions are beyond logic. Not logical yet he said trusted Pritam to make the Judgement Call while he himself didn't bother to check.
Ok, so fair enough that all three of you were so overwhelmed by her admission of having been sexually assaulted in the past, that it didn't occur to any of you to talk to her about her next step with regards to her lie about the anecdote she told in Parliament. Wow.....if all three of you can at the same time, in the presence of each other, be overwhelm beyond your senses by such a revelation, then how can we the people expect any of you guys to be able to lead, to deal with the daily pressures and challenge of managing Singapore, and think on your feet, and speak intellectually on behalf of Singapore when dealing with other world leaders?
Totally agree, not everyone can speak or interpret a very long and suggestive question. What is the COP chairman doing. Even HSK cannot activulate what "East Coast Plan" is after so many months. They are people in the world who simple cannot make a good conversation but can work demn well.
He kept saying that he was not answering the question. He dared not answer question because he was scared that he would be speaking untruths. What a dishonest man Couldn't even remember what happened yesterday and the day before. He said he swore to speak the truth and nothing but the truth so he could not mislead.
Painful to know we have such leaders. Vice Chairman of WP. It tells a lot about the party. And worst of all, the 3 seniors didn't even communicate. Very strange
So much drama. So she lied! Politicians dont lie? The question is ‘why did she lie in the first place. ? I think this whole episode is so fishy. Goes way deeper than what is on the surface
The WP rep was a man of average intellect, grilled by a team of elites in PAP over a few hours. Anyone else average in this situation will sound confused and wrong. Whatever the case is, it shows the talent difference between the panel and the interviewee, where all are MPs.
This issue should not doubt the creditability of WP. Every political party has a black sheep in them. Till the end WP is standing by their comrade. Salute to them. What Ms. Khan did is a terrible mistake which should be punish by the Court of Law (lying in Parliament) as an MP. That has brought the whole WP to face the COP and the scrutiny of the public.
His body language in this 2nd round is very defensive and he's very offensive now. He is making a fricking big mistake when he was again informed that it is an offense not to answer, etc. Punish the idiot
Who is on trial here? Almost six hours of grilling. When the witness is exhausted, the questions, like compound questions thrown at him can make him confused. His answers might then make him appear like an unreliable witness.
After sitting thru the whole thing for 3 hrs, I can finally conclude that Faisal is not a very bright fella 😂 ..he had to have questions repeated many times to him before he could mumble a yes or no....salute to Edwin Tong for his patience and skills in handling the whole session...
If WP doesn't field a different candidate in GE2025 for aljunied GRC, idk what to say eh this guy can't understand basic questions, can't explain his thoughts?
Am surprise that he is a Workers Party senior leader,looks more like a P.A to the Party leaders than himself!His English is totally........can't describe for someone his status!Looks like he got some much things to hide,is really hard on Mr.Pritam Singh,all the best to you. Sir!
Edwin Tong is too damn arrogant. His way of questioning is bordering on harassment and threatening.. Faisal Manap is totally being extra cautious when answering people like him as the panel which is made up of majority of the ruling party will definitely be trying to direct their questioning to suit their way of thinking.. not everyone reacts and feels the sane way given the same situation.I totally understand why and how the 3 WP leaders react the way they did.. it’s RK who was sneaky and cunning to catch them by surprise with her sequence of admissions to the party leaders.. she’s a serial liar!!
Good job Faisal Manap. You have made use of this hearing to share with us how the WP govern. Every MP's speech is vetted through by others and every input is considered before a speech is delivered. It is however the MP who makes the final decision as she is voted in by her constituents. Every cadre member knows where he stands and does not overstep his boundary. They respect the judgement of the leader when it affects the entire party. And that is how it should be. On the other hand, the leader of the ruling party wants to transform an Indian into a Malay. No debate is allowed. The rest just say, "yes boss. Consider it done".
57:45 Wow... is this really the standard of the disciplinary panel? Overwhelmed? Stunned? To the point you can't carry out your disciplinary duties and worst, cannot even realize and remember what your coworkers were saying throughout the whole session? How can this guy be a senior member in the party? Seriously, a member of disciplinary panel stunned by admission of misconduct? wth.. That's like policemen stunned at people committing crimes and don't know what to do, or firemen stun at fire outbreaks and just stood there not trying to put out the fire.
1min 35sec onwards you can already tell that he hiding something. The meeting/discussion probably didn't take place. How can someone (vice-chair of a political party) have problems recalling an event that happened as early as 1-2 days ago? Can't believe Singaporeans are paying this guy $15000 a month.
Goodness.....the more he says to try and justify his answers, the deeper he digs his own grave. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know what you should do when faced with the situation as posed by Ms Khan's lie and the events thereafter. Even I would know the logical, the correct, the ethical, the moral, thing to do, and I'm not even a university graduate. If this guy, like that, can be a MP and a senior member of a political party, then I think I should easily be capable of a position more senior than him. He shouldn't be getting a five-figure MP allowance from us taxpayers.
His Calibre of understanding a question is shocking
And he’s being paid $16,000 per month for all that stammering...
@@bell-xk5dd 😯 wow he’s definitely not worth every penny.
Quite natural lah facing a panel of inquisitors, lawyers and an officious panel in a grand austere setting. Most will kalang kalbut!
Yes...understandably 1 person facing the panel. He wants to make sure he said the right thing to avoid complications
@@chengtan6690
Very evasive. He admitted that his actions were illogical. He was waiting for Judgement Call of Pritam
How lame can this be?
Mr Edwin Tong is indeed a very sharp lawyer. Keep it up!
I really admire Mr Edwin Tong's line of questioning and patience. He is a real pro ..
He is very fair and polite.
The questions are fair and are needed to establish the case
Susan Tan** Yes!! Mr Edwin is very good in patience & "SOLID"!!! Really did a good 👍 !! Can tell that stupid " ZERO-SENIOR WP DP" no way to" run" keep on lies even worse than RK !! 💣
Please take necessary action on him seriously if found any fault or incorporative or try to lie during this meeting! Really waste of tax payers money here. Pls investigate further on him !
If Singapore is governed by quality leaders like him, we will be gone case.
He is an MP, yet seems not very educated, intelligent and competent at all.
Unfortunately, the present Singapore voters prefer an alternative voice then competency, uncorrupted and capable politicians.
@@MrLEECHINSOON Have to be careful in case it turn out to be noise instead of voice.
Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. Goodness .he doesn't want to answer the questions despite being asked to so many times . He cannot even speak eloquently
@Seow Ling Wee
You are spot on. We would be doomed
FaizalM did not realise he could not answer "I refuse to answer that'. He had no idea about the objective of a COP hearing. The Chairman told him he could be charged with contempt of court...but it seemed to hv been lost on him.
What court? The COP should be there to establish facts not opinions.
@@cathhl2440 May be he didn't understand the word. Give him the benefit of the doubt. But by claiming he kept quiet and didn't query Singh about why no action for three mths because he trusted Singh completely to do the right thing regarding RKhan's lie, he painted a picture of himself as a free rider in the WP leadership.
Serious. Even though Pritam Singh is good at defending himself, he cannot defend others.
@@jasmineteo9883
Well said👍
Faisal is getting WP into trouble. He have trouble understanding the direct questions. He just push everything to RK that she will ask questions. It is the onus of him as a mentor to find out too.
I don’t understand how he came to be WP senior Member
@@vancekang cos he is senior? Lol
Pity him lah. First time experience - virginal. The questions were direct only when the panel wanted to nail him. Other than that, the questions were often meandering, twisting and turning and repetitive either to confound him or to catch him unwittingly saying something different - in the interest of clarity or unambiguity. Of course, he has to be reminded now and then that he is speaking under oath and it's an offence and punishable for not telling the truth. That will surely put fear into anyone facing the panel. Let's wait for the Singh to appear and see how he perform - surely the panel will leave it as the grand finale - the ultimate nail.
How on earth that 2-3 hrs meeting, by just checking the dates?
@@greenteamax very strong point there.
Cannot believe Faisal is a senior member of WP and a MOP. Sounded more like a secretary working for WP
😅😅😅
I cannot believe he is Singaporean
Good answer!
@@t.c9081 it doesn't seem his a Singaporean, but that has nothing to do with anything. He's talking around and around this case. Damn bullshit!
Not even fit to be a secretary
He say he is v concern on her on 8th Aug .
But then he did not ask her from 8th Aug to Oct knowing the seriousness of the lies and consequences
Strange isn't it?
Mr Edwin tong is so very patient
Edwin Tong is damn brilliant in questioning..he simply know what he wants to know. Awesome lawyer..No play play with Shumuggam , Indranee Rajah n Edwin Tong
Wasn't he the one who represented the City Harvest dishonesty (CBT) case, which many people believed the accused got off lightly?
@@westwoodly
Every lawyer will represent good and bad people. Nothing wrong with it.
Even the baddest person deserves highest justice.
Subbhas did the same
Is he a bad person to defend Adrian Lim the murderer or Took or one eyed dragon?
They are lawyers
@@coshinc5941 Sure, they always justify that it's their profession, their job. One wonders whether they feel good or proud getting a murderer of a child or a drug trafficker off the hook. I'm just wondering!
@@JC-zy4sm End of the day : criminal and lawyers share the spoils?
The way Manap responded brings shame to WP. His incompetence to speak, reason and understand is appalling. WP shd just dissolve. Waste tax payers money.
He's embarrassing! A benchwarmer at best
Illogical explanations.
Won't make sense but he insisted that it's him
Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. He does not even want to answer the questions being asked despite being reminded many times. Goodness cannot even speak eloquently
@@pansylim6254 he only wants to answer religious affairs
Difficulties in recalling the simplest of events and simple questions - Faisal Manap was working the night off trying to memorise scripted answers and sequence of events. Edwin tong masterfully tore through his scripts.
It all concluded with Edwin getting Faisal to agree, that he was behaving illogically as a senior leadership by not stepping up to right a wrong despite being completely aware of it. And that Faisal Manap have had privy knowledge to Khan’s lie from the onset, but he alleged that he did not discuss/comment/advise/communicate on ANYTHING to ANYONE for a good 3+ months, and nothing commented/discussed when he further heard that Khan continued to lie on Oct parliamentary.
manap is his father. his name is Faisal
You think Edwin and Desmond are twin brothers?
The proceeding appears to divert to be just nailing the WP and the leadership. Politically it can be costly either way!
@@westwoodly
It appears to be so because Faisal is substandard and had trouble following Edwin’s questions. Let’s wait for Sylvia Lim and Pritam Singh. SL will be on equal footing with Edwin, she’s a lawyer too but she tends to rush thru her words and appears impatient at times. It would be interesting to see how PS is going to take questions from the panel, especially from Edwin 😂
That is the purpose of this COP. To find out why as a MP, having known a fact that the integrity of SPF, for which he is supposed to uphold, is keeping quiet and allowed the allegation to go on for 3 months.
Even a commoner who knows a fact to a crime could also blow the whistle, let alone as a MP.
Sympathy could be granted to RK for her ordeal but time MUST be set for her to come clean and definitely NOT 3 months which is dragging the integrity of SPF.
I do not think anyone from SPF would appreciate this. Try explaining to SPF.
This is a gross mis-management of the whole episode.
This guy senior member of WP? I thought it’s uncle at the coffeeshop.
Can tell Faisal Manap doesn't have much say in WP, he is just pushing everything to everyone else... Pritam la Raeesah la His taiji game so strong
That must have been their collaborated and rehearsed strategy.
@@margaretchong1450
100% corroborated amongst the 3
@@margaretchong1450 definitely there is some collaboration and pre discussions among themselves.
@@margaretchong1450 ur right. Their collaboration among sl and ps are obvious and well plan ahead
How can this standard get to paid 16k a month to be a MP.
My goodness ! His ability to understand English questions is astounding
The whole proceeding cost millions - not just 16k! Can use that amount to buy more Covid vaccine! Proceeding should conclude long ago in the quickest possible time! What's happened to Singapore's well-known efficiency?
So if you can’t speak English you don’t deserve 16k ? Language is a measure of intelligence? You need to look and reflect on your intellect first.
@@westwoodly Sure is a good question to be posted to WP.
If PS /WP having this knowledge in August and decided to take proper action earlier, it would not have come to this.
Cotton comes from sheep.
Education minister. How much is he paid???!
Cannot even say monitor. Always says morningtor....
Why education minister like this LOR
@@rolandhng9322 That's a convenient afterthought like "I told you so!" (Sorry me no WP supporter.). What's proper can be interpreted as "improper" by others at different time, different setting!
1:35:00 were disappointing in WP leadership. Pushing away all the blames...
They are good at pushing all blames and denyings
Trust is earned when actions meet words..
Honesty is the top uppermost best policy..
Pure white in Integrity..is a MUST for the dignity of our country.
100% agree with you.
What is judgement call and he left it to the leader, Pritam.
I trust him is the reasoning he gave.
And he didn't even bother to ask RK or Pritam. Very strange way of justifying and he agrees that it's illogical. What a nightmare we are witnessing
We are glad that he is not representing us in world stage. Will be embarrassing not able to comprehend questions by other world leaders..
You are looking for angels. No matter how clean the rug is, there is always some dust underneath - more or less...!! It's human.
Exactly precisely.agree integrity is essential in key personnels holding such high positions. Goodness. He is also not going to answer the questions and being reminded many times he is required to do so.
@@westwoodly
You accept sub standards leaders?
Can't even understand questions.
Such caliber can collect $16k plus a month. Lucky man 👏
He dare to stand out and its a fact that people elected him. if you can do better, why dont you stand out also and see if you will be elected also? :P
Get this type and the country go to the longkang
@@skysky1977 don’t reveal your ignorance publicly. You can too if you can sneak into a strong grc bus.
I think he now wants to save himself first and foremost.
He is a part of the conspiracy
U r right . He wants to save himself first . He ,sylvialim and PS unreasonsbly put their own political and self interests above residents' well being. As resident of aljunied grc under his constituency i am experiencing all of his denials ,excuses and not doing the daily essential maintenance as proven in my f.b posts
@@pansylim6254 Sorry to hear that Ms. Lim. You just reminded us that for an MP day to day work must come before political survival.
Can this calibre of people represent Spore? His understanding of questions are so poor.
Opposition for the sake of Opposition is not good for Spore.
What kind of CEC is that? They didn't even disclose the information of the key witnesses plus the omitted the facts that the senior leaders were informed of the lie by RK.
Dont forget he is now going to be advisor of sengkang grc
@@sugarly69 he is definitely incompetent.
It’s very disappointing knowing that this is the calibre of the opposition. I really hope they as a whole can do better, especially WP. With this kind of leadership, I have serious doubt on their ability to lead and manage SG.
Opposition members’ integrity and character leaves a lot to be desired though.
Scary after watching.
No accountability. Only trust.
" that's me"🤣
@@justfair7399 true true, must the reason behind ahtc saga too.
Wow, this kind of incompetent senior member of WP is a worry sign! How can he represent the people of his community in Parliament. It's waste of tax payers monies.
Indeed .The hardcore don't mind
This will sink Spore if they are allowed to rule Spore
Exactly precisely. Worst still he doesn't want to answer the questions despite repeatedly asked to do so. Goodness he cannot even speak eloquently stammering in his speech
It's so strange that Faisal refused to answer a simple and fair question!! Sounds as if he had something to hide!
I think so too
Do you know what Edwin Tong has in his pockets? Please answer me else you have a lot of things to hide hahaha absolutely stupid
This mr Faisal really needs an interpreter.
1. Mr Faisal role as MP - he should be acting as an MP not a social worker. Country’s interests should be first priority (logically and not logically LOL). So betraying RK’s trust is not okay but failing Singapore and SPF is okay?
2. I really wanna ask what’s his role as an VP. Everything also trust PS, dont know anything… Poor judgment.
3. But I feel like he’s still a genuinely nice person :(
Damn.
He should just change his job to social worker not mp... That would suit him more
Shocking level of understanding and respond. Seems like hiding information and answering coordinated response.
Should be
I think he is hiding information.
Basically dumb. But he is the vice chairman of WP
@@brmin7312 If you take it at face value, he is trying so hard to behave like a clown that it is hard not to believe him😅
But the strategy is so obvious that to leave it to all PS to answer in case they contradict each other.
@@rolandhng9322
You are absolutely right. It was so obvious that there was a plan to say that he left it to Pritam. They knew that if he speaks, there will be a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies to address. Very obvious.He also acted blur and like a clown. WP leaders are deceptive.
Edwin is asking stupid repetition madly even a wise will get confused.
Seems like the man was too stunned to speak during the meeting at Pritam Singh’s house
A layman reader's observation and thoughts : Lawyers or inquisitors seem to be trained to repeat questions or same thing again and again, and yet again, in different words or nuances in quick succession --- in other words to beat about the bush or opportunistic trolling - so that something may turn up eventually or opportunistically! And of course to paraphase or reword what has been said to the inquisitor's satisfaction (you mean, it was not pure white but a little off-white, isn't it?). It can easily confound the witness or interviewee - and most exasperating to the most patient audience watching in the court gallery, or the CoP in this case. The witness can easily get tired or "caught" unwittingly swaying into something different.
A shrewd lawyer easily latch on it, and keeping hammering on it. So other than asking "when did you stop beating your wife?" rather than "did you beat your wife?'. It may go something like this : Did you drink the water? (No!). Did you at any time sip the water? (No!) Did you see some liquid in the glass? (Can't remember). Was there any thoughts in your mind to drink the water, any at all ? (can't remember). Was the glass transparent? (Yes). Was the glass clean or dirty? ....
An alert and unnervous witness is best to ask questions in return to make the inquisitors just as exasperated : Can you repeat your question? (sure...), Can you speaker louder (or softer, less aggressive?) Can you make your questions easier for understanding? Can you be more direct in your questioning? (sure...), Can you speak in simpler terms or in English (or in Malay, Tamil, Mandarin, etc)... If all things fail, just make a simple request: "I wish to go to the toilet! It's urgent!" : )
😂😂😂 your humor livens up this 3 hrs of endless to and fro.
The comments are so far mild, his cognitive appreciation of this process is darn SHALLOW, I would not hesitate to say he also has weak command of English, using phrasal words but unable to apply it conjunctively, so failing his understanding of many of the words, contextually..
It's not our prerogative to say how the WP selects or appoints its leaders, however, it must never be empty of the understanding that it must do due diligence, in establishing some system of criteria for roles and to hold office positions, to assure the constituents it can function and professionally discharge all the responsibilities it purports to serve its constituents. In light of this, its leaders must therefore be more than able to articulate or proposition needs and concerns of its constituents in Parliament, if not only to further the legitimacy of an Opposition presence in Singapore's Parliament.
This so-called "wayang" has been coined by many of the informed public, but from the testimonies of other WP members, which now has been proven that it wasn't vindictive, as many people has made it out to be. Edwin's adept questioning has brought out relevancy and some complicity of the WP leadership has in the impugned integrity as a Parliamentarian, which now includes several WP leadership members, and their direct roles in maintaining and ultimately lead to an extended tenure of Raeesah's lie to Parliament. Shamefully, it is now veering into a clownish expose, or should I say moronic "I will not answer that question" show of lack of qualified substance in the WP stable.. Not wayang anymore, the fish is out of water and flapping... Mr Faisal shouldn't be re-instated as a Parliamentarian , enough drama.
Guys, best part is 52:45 - 52:59.
Clearly , opposition for the sake of opposition and evasiveness of the highest order. Seriously, the WP, and for that matter any credible political party, should exercise QC and judgement in its choice of leadership and not just pick any bloke who is more aggressive and articulate in their opinions. The failure would have dire consequence for the party , and , no less, the Country.
Ur right to say they oppose for the sake of opposing. Unwise of them indeed
I really respect Mr Edwin Tong's patience with this man. I've already lost my patience so many times by the 2hrs mark.
Me too!
Yes Mr Edwin Tong is so patient with him. Integrity is essential in key personnel's holding such high positions. Goodness he doesn't even want to answer the questions despite being asked to do so repeatedly. He cannot even speak eloquently stuttering over his speech
I find it very painful to watch FM trying to defend worker party. He is so weak and I find him really unsuitable to be a senior member of the Worker Party!
I also , think one punch to this stupied WP guy, cannot be 3 person sitting in 1 table , cannot don't take anything , how big is Pritam dinning table ?
Can't even answer questions. Bad optics .Sad sight
It is really worrying whenever I see members of the parliament having so much difficulty in speaking. Not just Faisal but Don Wee too. But that aside, Faisal agreed on all logical and reasonableness the series of things that should have occurred but didn’t because he trusted Pritam. He has more concern over the comments they received on a parliamentary speech that affected the Muslim community than a lie that affected the police and sexual assault victims. And as a leader, he has trouble seeing the conflict of interest and how not disclosing the leader’s involvement since Aug has a significant impact in the outcome. It’s even more worrying that that his logic is warped.
To put witnesses at ease, the panelists shouldn't be seated higher than the witness. That already has a psychological impact on the proceeding as who has a higher authority or greater power. It belittles the witness, like a small animal in a corner ready to be told off or whacked. Imagine going into a classroom, and the teacher stands on a platform looming over her students.
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@@westwoodly You are right.
faisal should step down as an mp
He knew about the lies (first and second time) but didn't do anything... "I trust Pritam" x 1,000,000
"What stopped you (Faisal Manap) from asking Mr Singh?" "Trust!"
"Is it the same for other issues that you don't need to clarify and don't need to ask? Just hand everything to Mr. Pritam Singh?" "Yes!"
You have your own duties but seems like you are not doing them, Mr. Faisal.
This dude just doesn't have much a say in the WP. He is just trying to save himself as much as possible for now. th-cam.com/video/sR0a3Wnm7OM/w-d-xo.html
Says much about his character and ability. He is either too trustful of PS or simply bo chap! Looks like he is pushing the responsibility to PS, either way, it reflects badly on him as a leader and MP.
Maybe this is the policy of WP “ownself check ownself”😅😅😅
@@rolandhng9322
100% not acceptable if trial by a judge.It can't be used as a reason.
Trust? Haha
Don't believe too much
@@coshinc5941 Even a junior member would be concerned on this development as it would impact WP.
He can maintained that he does not discuss and get involve in this matter.
He is also pushing everything to PS and he played no part in it.
@@rolandhng9322
Can we buy this? Not likely
We have common sense
What you think doesn't equate to what I think. Similarly, what you think is a problem may not be a problem to me. Period.
The way he speaks, can it be trusted like the trust he has on Mr Singh??
Mete excuse and he admitted that its illogical but that's him.haha
Edwin Tong surely brilliant in a way he asked question.
Fairly obvious that Faisal has difficult time following Desmond's line of questioning. His listening comprehension simply cmi. The weakest link by far. GG, COP.
Don't say lah.He is Vice Chairman of Workers Party.You will break many hearts .
Instead of making significant contributions to the people and country, WP has been a disgrace and burden.
Very sad to watch.
Illogical reasonings but he said that's him
Yes. Zero service from wp
He always evades questions, and never answered to the point.
Weak case. Not truthful. Usually will fail and get caught
@@pansylim6254 Simple Yes or No also can't answer. He isn't that simple or innocent at all.
Just because he think he has a support base he can behave dishonesty and cunningly.
@@seowlingwee4693 totally agree. Yah frequently denying and pushing and shirking their responsibilities
@@seowlingwee4693 A wise person understands the question, and a stupid person answers the question.
A wise person understands the question, and a stupid person answers the question.
Apparently he regretted revealing to Mr Tong he had blindly going all out to keep her. Now has to act blur and say Mr Singh has better relationship with her.
Weak arguments
Definitely .Acting blur which they often do
As a Malay only one word to describe this... HANCUR. Well no need to guess the weak link in this saga. This video clearly shows the reality. Politic aside can I leave Singapore fate to this type of calibre ?
How can Singaporeans elect people like Mr Fasiah in the government?
and that is precisely the problem with the GRC concept. you have to take the entire package even if u dislike certain elements in the package
If we have such brain running our country, what will we become?
I shudder at the thought of it.
Malaysia???
Charge him for contempt of parliament. This is a simple question, highly relevant about whether they colluded to cover up telling RK to take it to the grave. The fact he is refusing to cooperate on such a simple matter is a huge red flag.
When I see this , I feel so sad.
This Faizal is really very evasive and couldn't even answer very simple questions. And he is the vice chairman of WP.
Can he represent us in world stage?
He definitely cannot represent us
@@pansylim6254
Disgraceful. It will sink our Spore
@@rslin4888 totally agree with u. Worsening of my blk as they do not maintain my blk while they are serving and focus on 226 serangoon ave 4 and they have truly been biased against my blk and not giving equal service whereby keeping the floor there clear while black patches at my blk floor tiles uncleared for years and providing hand sanitiser only for 226 residents. In addition ahtc call centre had been evading my calls. Absolutely terrible service and shocking indeed that discrimination against residents happen in SG.As proven in my FB posts .pls look at my posts.
@@rslin4888 They are getting worst and more defiant and have been biased and discriminate against 227 serangoon residents
@@pansylim6254
Let's hope the 2 jokers end up in jail.
Spore has no place for crooked politicians
Can't believe our first world government is spend these amount of resources into this issue ~.RK lied and its a fact and she resigned. need to go into she told who and who about her lies and did her party leader advice her correctly and prompt her to speak up the truth in the very first instance? She is an adult, not a kid ~Besides, 7-8 MPs sitting inside the COP for 3 hours+ cost how much taxpayers money? ~
Omg don't think he understood:1/2 questions ask;)
He is insignificant among the three leaders of WP. Just for a show that there is a Malay representative!!
He is so nervous!!
If honest, no worries.
Look and judge
Can we just move forward ? This line of questioning is horrendous. Don't assume and don't suggest things that you think because you don't know anything. Focus on the person that lied and stop the drama.
Just by listening to him,really vomit blood,wondering where Mr Faiser graduated from.....unbelievable.......???????
Oh my.....so painful watching him answering.....more painful for the committee to listen to him stuttering throughout and can't even answer to the simple yes/no q...seriously.....an mp material??
Mr. Faisal should get an interpreter.
And speech therapy
Haha. Have not heard of any mp that need an intepreter
Although the questioning maybe be confusing and leading at times , but I’m more disappointed on Faisal’s level of comprehension . Sorry to say even I understood the questions right away when it is asked the first time , I’m not sure if it is done on purpose to stall or is he really having that much difficulty in understanding the questions.
And why does he keep asking ‘ in related to ? ‘ after every question.It’s about the Lie , all questions are about the LIE ! Not the muslim issues or RK’s personal trauma .This was difficult to watch
WP MP: Ask WP leadership
Faisal Manap: Ask my boss
Pritam Singh : Ask my voters
WP voters: Ask WP MP
Just say la, they have documents with them but I don’t know what documents it’s all about. I only know what documents I bring
He should have given that answer and ETong would have moved on to another question.
👏👏👏Your caliber definitely above MP level or his level is below commoner like us 😅😅😅
@@jasmineteo9883 yes I’m sure E Tong will ask him again, are you sure, you are not sure what documents they have it with them? And Faisal should answer, yes I am absolutely sure and if you have doubt, you can ask them 😂
@@rolandhng9322 thank you and I take them as a compliment. Seriously bro! I’m annoyed at that part. The defensive mode should apply appropriately.
@@sitiaminahchannel215 Frankly speaking, can’t believe his words. He acknowledged it is a serious problem and as one of a senior leader, does not even ask anything over a such a long period of time and only trust PS would solve.
*Summary*: I everything also dunno don’t ask me, even tho I m a party leader. The party didn’t try to address her lies even tho we knew. Ask Pritam. Pritam should have done something. Btw, Raeesah is a liar. Don’t trust her. Trust me.
This calibre of MP is more befitting of our neighbouring countries. Taxpayers paying him $16k a month.
You are right
This ET is making more than $$42K a month. ESM said his new salary of Est $500K a year is not enough for him to take care of wife and in-law. After giving out a $2M a year income.
SINGAPORE - Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong has sounded a warning that Cabinet ministers are not paid enough and that down the road, Singapore will be confronted with the problem of getting competent people to join the Government.
Speaking at a dialogue with South East District residents last week, he disclosed that MP Edwin Tong, a lawyer, took a 75 per cent pay cut when he became a senior minister of state on July 1.
Mr Tong had previously earned more than $2 million a year as a senior counsel and now makes about $500,000, Mr Goh said.
WP agreed to the salary
Go and ask Prtam Singh why he agreed
Faisal Manap Vice Chairman $16K pm x12 =$200K pa. He's MP since 2011 till now, 11 years. So far, $200K x 11 years =$2.2 Million!! Does Vice Chairman gets a higher pay? What is the role of a WP Vice Chairman?
ET: Did they bring any other documents to the meeting?
FM: I do not want to answer that question.
ET: (repeats question)
FM: (adamantly repeats the same answer)
ET: I don't want you to get in trouble with that answer (i.e. saying he refuses to answer).
TCJ: (reminds FM that he can be held in contempt for that kind of refusal to answer)
FM: (stubbornly) I do not want to answer that question.
Facepalm! Poor uncle didn't understand he could say he didn't know but never refuse to answer.
He is not trained as a lawyer who could twist and turn with words, and use verbose synonyms and double negatives to confound the witness or stun them. Lawyers are able to wriggle or drill a square peg into a round hole. He will be an underdog in a court tussle - with the judge or chairman constantly reminding you or threatening you about the oath you took. Yes, he could have just said I have no answer to that question.
this WP vice chairman . dont xia suey . is he qualified to be an MP , sell roti prata lar .
Not answering a simple question is an admission of guilt.
It's a ridiculous question!
How is Mr Faisal supposed to know what are all the documents Sylvia and Pritam brought to the meeting?
"First of all, she a young lady... (She is not young!) .... Repeat, she is a young lady'.... She is not young; she is 28 years old, and a mother of two.' 'I don't think we should get into this discussion (by the person who first raise the issue!)' - in other words, except the fact that she is a young lady (the kids in primary and secondary school think she is not young!) Seems there are lot of false questions.
Lawyers' favourite "simple questions" or false questions (other than law school Course 101 - when did you beat your wife rather than did you beat your wife!) go something like this :
"Did you drink the water?" (No!) "Did you sip the water?' (No!) Was there any odour in the water? (I didn't smell!) Did you think or dream about wanting to sip the water? (No!) "Ok, you remember the white container that holds the liquid is made of glass? (I think so!) Was the glass transparent? (Don't know!) Was the glass dirty or clean (Didn't notice!) "Do you agree that it was not white, but a shade of grey? (Arrrrh!)
Can you tell me what the witness's "perspective" is? How can I know her perspective? Can you tell me why the witness lie? (how could I know). Ok, can you think of a good reason why she lie? (I can't think about it !) Ok then, you can think now! (Arrrh! I need to go toilet! It's urgent!)
@@appl2597 In that case he could have just said "I don't know". It makes no sense for him to decline to answer such a question.
@@kafkacommercialstudios4124 , The chairman should have intervened and stopped that line of questioning. TCJ is not doing his job... This is how you end up with a 5-hour long hearing with a lot of irrelevant questions.
@@appl2597 the COP already mention so many times "to the best of your knowledge", "in your perspective". The COP is not asking the absolute truth but what he observed. And like the previous comment say, he could have just answered "i dont know"
you can simply compare his actions to that of loh peying and nathan. Both of them are younger and less experience in public speaking than faisal, yet they show more maturity and logical thinking than him
He is just going to ask questions non stop until he says WP told her to lie and continue to lie. Nobody is going to eat or rest or go toilet or go home until he he agrees with him. Omg! Such patience and endurance they have. 😵 I would have gone like you have asked me that question already. Please stop asking me the same questions over and over again! I have answered that already!!! Already!!!
I dont think you understand how the legal system works.... heard of the LSAT (law school admissions test)? Lawyers are trained in logical reasoning, critical thinking, objective questioning etc... Despite the frustratingly painful to listen to performance of MP faisal, edwin is merely questioning faisal to establishing the plausibilities and possibilities of the surrounding situation behind WP's knowledge of the matter and their subsequent course of action or inaction around RK's lie to determine reasonable culpibility. Its just like how frustrating it is when reading WP supporters' commments online after you get past the blatant fake profiles and fake names, and deciding if the entity on the other end of the keyboard is a troll or is it the brain, reasoning ability, and general knowledge of how govt works, is weak. Im always biased to the latter.
Faisal was lying! Awaiting to see how PS and SL tell the same lies! Apart from this, I doubt the capability and intelligence of Faisal apart from he learning to tell lies at the instructions from PS and SL.
He need to pray, confess & repent a lot after this session to God.. Quran stated no lying. Don’t fit to represent the Muslim community.
Edwin Tong is simply fantastic...he could make Faisal so nervous 😂 and stammering all the while 😂
Tbh he din have to do much … Faisal is just bad at taking questions … never a gd speaker …. Should never have been an elected member
Wayang king...good luck to WP Sengkang ..Sink khan. You kave this kind of shady character/s.
So much time and effort spent on this matter. Is this what is meant by " having to spend more time to fix them when more opposition MPs are voted into Parliament" instead of spending more time on governing, and in this present time, managing the pandemic?
This just shows how unprepared WP are for this hearing.
They just twist and turn.
He agrees that his actions are beyond logic. Not logical yet he said trusted Pritam to make the Judgement Call while he himself didn't bother to check.
Ok, so fair enough that all three of you were so overwhelmed by her admission of having been sexually assaulted in the past, that it didn't occur to any of you to talk to her about her next step with regards to her lie about the anecdote she told in Parliament. Wow.....if all three of you can at the same time, in the presence of each other, be overwhelm beyond your senses by such a revelation, then how can we the people expect any of you guys to be able to lead, to deal with the daily pressures and challenge of managing Singapore, and think on your feet, and speak intellectually on behalf of Singapore when dealing with other world leaders?
That was what I’m saying.
He is trying to save his skin!!
The other 2 will be in trouble.
Co Drivers getting slapped. Turns out they have no driver's licence after all.
Or fake license 🤣
Quite surprised by now,all of us would've tore out our hair,lah😂
Totally agree, not everyone can speak or interpret a very long and suggestive question. What is the COP chairman doing.
Even HSK cannot activulate what "East Coast Plan" is after so many months.
They are people in the world who simple cannot make a good conversation but can work demn well.
Each WP MP gets $16K pm x 12 = $200,000 pa.
WP Leader Pritam gets double, $32K pm x12=$400,000 pa.
1:56:36 if now was PAP in this situation, everyone will trust LHL to make his judgment n decision. Who dare to stand up n point finger
He kept saying that he was not answering the question.
He dared not answer question because he was scared that he would be speaking untruths.
What a dishonest man
Couldn't even remember what happened yesterday and the day before. He said he swore to speak the truth and nothing but the truth so he could not mislead.
All i can conclude is, he is not bothered, irresponsible and has short term memory problems.... my gosh
Painful to know we have such leaders. Vice Chairman of WP.
It tells a lot about the party.
And worst of all, the 3 seniors didn't even communicate.
Very strange
@@rslin4888 well said
a leader you respect, will never throw you under the bus, the way someone did. Such as 01:47:00
So much drama. So she lied! Politicians dont lie? The question is ‘why did she lie in the first place. ? I think this whole episode is so fishy. Goes way deeper than what is on the surface
Mr Tong, he didn’t understand a single thing here. Aiya ! I gave up !!
The WP rep was a man of average intellect, grilled by a team of elites in PAP over a few hours. Anyone else average in this situation will sound confused and wrong. Whatever the case is, it shows the talent difference between the panel and the interviewee, where all are MPs.
Too dumb to be true.
Earning good income and is the Vice chairman of WP
Wow
This issue should not doubt the creditability of WP. Every political party has a black sheep in them. Till the end WP is standing by their comrade. Salute to them. What Ms. Khan did is a terrible mistake which should be punish by the Court of Law (lying in Parliament) as an MP. That has brought the whole WP to face the COP and the scrutiny of the public.
His body language in this 2nd round is very defensive and he's very offensive now. He is making a fricking big mistake when he was again informed that it is an offense not to answer, etc. Punish the idiot
Who is on trial here? Almost six hours of grilling.
When the witness is exhausted, the questions, like compound questions thrown at him can make him confused. His answers might then make him appear like an unreliable witness.
If he is so weak, don't be an MP
True. And I think he should have chosen to have a translator. I think some of what he wanted to say was lost in translation.
He won't answer because if he said Yes, he would be in trouble!!
Parties of lies ?
Smart people understand questions, only stupid people answer questions.
He looks stupider than me yet he is an MP making more than $10000 a month.
Oh man this is hard to watch
After sitting thru the whole thing for 3 hrs, I can finally conclude that Faisal is not a very bright fella 😂 ..he had to have questions repeated many times to him before he could mumble a yes or no....salute to Edwin Tong for his patience and skills in handling the whole session...
Indeed indeed indeed....
This guy is not cooperative. Why is he refusing to be led ?
Such a fair panel.....🙄
If WP doesn't field a different candidate in GE2025 for aljunied GRC, idk what to say eh this guy can't understand basic questions, can't explain his thoughts?
Am surprise that he is a Workers Party senior leader,looks more like a P.A to the Party leaders than himself!His English is totally........can't describe for someone his status!Looks like he got some much things to hide,is really hard on Mr.Pritam Singh,all the best to you. Sir!
Worst part he was not truthful.
Edwin Tong is too damn arrogant. His way of questioning is bordering on harassment and threatening.. Faisal Manap is totally being extra cautious when answering people like him as the panel which is made up of majority of the ruling party will definitely be trying to direct their questioning to suit their way of thinking.. not everyone reacts and feels the sane way given the same situation.I totally understand why and how the 3 WP leaders react the way they did.. it’s RK who was sneaky and cunning to catch them by surprise with her sequence of admissions to the party leaders.. she’s a serial liar!!
2:10:00 Watching this now in Sept 2023, with Tan Chuan Jin chairing the COP, evokes a strange feeling, not nostalgia but irony.
3:03:54
For all those looking for concluding summary - you're welcome
2:00:04 that’s y need to stay silent n follow direction of the leader. That’s the team effort n spirit! Simple logic.
Good job Faisal Manap. You have made use of this hearing to share with us how the WP govern.
Every MP's speech is vetted through by others and every input is considered before a speech is delivered. It is however the MP who makes the final decision as she is voted in by her constituents.
Every cadre member knows where he stands and does not overstep his boundary. They respect the judgement of the leader when it affects the entire party. And that is how it should be.
On the other hand, the leader of the ruling party wants to transform an Indian into a Malay. No debate is allowed. The rest just say, "yes boss. Consider it done".
So? Mahathir also Indian leh, but parades himself as a bumiputra. Get over it. Instead of yes men WP has alot of silent men.
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PAP set the rules only to break their own rules.
You cannot settle local politics, yet you want to talk about Malaysian politics.
He looks like a leader from a THIRD WORLD COUNTY!!
You mean Edwin Tong ?
His hand is shaking. Poor guy. I think he is worried about.. jialat, next term $16K per month boliao ..
57:45 Wow... is this really the standard of the disciplinary panel? Overwhelmed? Stunned? To the point you can't carry out your disciplinary duties and worst, cannot even realize and remember what your coworkers were saying throughout the whole session? How can this guy be a senior member in the party? Seriously, a member of disciplinary panel stunned by admission of misconduct? wth.. That's like policemen stunned at people committing crimes and don't know what to do, or firemen stun at fire outbreaks and just stood there not trying to put out the fire.
He is the Vice Chairman of the Workers Party. Can't even understand simple questions. Haha
Does this man atleast pass his PSLE english! Embarrassment of Singapore Educational Institution! Does he thinks he is entering Malaysian community?
1min 35sec onwards you can already tell that he hiding something. The meeting/discussion probably didn't take place. How can someone (vice-chair of a political party) have problems recalling an event that happened as early as 1-2 days ago? Can't believe Singaporeans are paying this guy $15000 a month.
He was not a truthful witness.
He acted blur. He couldn't be having such bad memory to recall events 2 days ago.
Goodness.....the more he says to try and justify his answers, the deeper he digs his own grave. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know what you should do when faced with the situation as posed by Ms Khan's lie and the events thereafter. Even I would know the logical, the correct, the ethical, the moral, thing to do, and I'm not even a university graduate. If this guy, like that, can be a MP and a senior member of a political party, then I think I should easily be capable of a position more senior than him. He shouldn't be getting a five-figure MP allowance from us taxpayers.
Then "sleepy dope"... perhaps you can apply for the job of a WP mp.