I Went Back to Stock Suspension on my 2022 BRZ..
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- I went back to stock suspension :/ but I have a plan!
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you're a humble dude taking those comments about swearing to heart, especially being a military guy, talking the shit is 2nd nature lol
How many miles on the Jeep?
127k
This is the case of you get what you paid for.. BC is just such a poor quality coilover suspension. Invest on something like KW and you won't have such a harsh ride.
I put Tein Flex A on my 2019 BRZ, but when I went to do my 2023 I said “meh, the stock suspension on the 2023 is even better than the Teins I put on the 2019.”
Replace the shift solenoid yourself. It's a super easy job. Just pop off the transmission pan and the shift solenoids are right there.
7:43 Sneaky! Can't blame Viv though, I'd go for CTR too! Any means necessary! xD
I went back to stock struts from the Fortune Auto 510. I can not in my good conscious to recommend Fortune Auto. I have done a little research on the subject matters; Fortune Auto is basically BC coilovers with their fancy in house valving. Fortune auto imported all their components from taiwan (BC), and made their own valving on shore.
Fortune Auto messes with the car's suspension travel, due to that I constantly bottomed out the struts on track. Their coilovers tends to be on the over damped side, so I got tire shock or suspension jacking down if I tuned the damping incorrectly via clicks.
However, I do recommend RCE's stuff. Their coilovers are essentially revalved KWs, KW is known for making comfortable performance shocks. SS-1 is pretty good, SS-2 is an upgrade from SS-1 with more track capability (probably more aggressive valving on compression). Another reason to go with RCE is that they are pretty transparent about what they have learned, it tells me that they put R&D into their products.
Shock travel is affected if you lower the car traditionally (dropping it from threading the damper downwards). I have no doubt the FA510s have shorter travel compared to stock or other coilovers, but you may have been able to at least mitigate your bottoming out problem by properly setting bump travel, droop, etc. See Gears & Gasoline's video 'How to Properly Set Up Coilovers' as a starting point and do more research from there
@mumyoryu I'm selling them. Funny enough, these fortune autos didn't come with any bumpstops. I figured they couldn't afford to run bumpstops to take more bump travel away. 🤷♂️ I got a set of RCE's SS-R with a stiffer spring rate at the rear. Man, let me tell you the night and day differently a set of good shocks will make.
@@VinRZ I feel that, I'd been using cheaper coilovers for a long time and last year got to drive a friend's miata with Xidas, it was a seriously noticeable difference on track between those and the MeisterRs I had on my car, although the Meisters are decently capable for a cheaper coilover. Im on stock suspension with my BRZ for now but plan on RCE or similar down the line
Do a Honda Odyssey build
There are some really nice coil-overs that drive nearly the same but better than stock. My experience is that the BC's just tend to be too stiff and/or bouncy for a daily.
Hey Cam, those larger top bolts of where the knuckle bolts to the strut are actually cam bolts, they are cammed kind of like a camshaft on an engine to adjust your camber, you will definitely want an alignment after all is said and done. Good luck with the family and everything bro! ALSO! MAKE SURE you properly torque everything! Suspension parts are very high vibration and can definitely come lose and start to clunk and/or fail with little warning. Get your alignment guy to do it or do it yourself, and only tighten the bolts that go through bushings when the car is sitting on all 4 wheels. It is super important because the bushings will be tightened in their neutral position. If you tighten when the suspension is hanging and you let the car down the contact face between the collar of the bushing and the suspension arms will want to twist the bushing, causing serious premature wear on them.
Good to know! Alignment first thing Monday morning
I just edited the comment for the note about tightening everything with all 4 wheels on the ground, make sure to read that if you didn't. Another thing too right before getting your alignment, ensure you have a full tank of gas. I know your alignment guy won't mention this but it is mandatory from all Subaru and Toyota to have your gas tank full. The alignment changes ever so slightly with weight in the car and it's important you do that. Torque specs for the 3 bolts for your strut mount are about 20 ft/lb. Your front lower ones should be about 125 lb/ft. Your rear arms for all bolts should be about 60 lb/ft. Your sway bar links front and rear should be close to 40 lb/ft @@Camhill182
He literally used a torque wrench in the video@@amdstrollo3074
The top bolts on my 2022 BRZ were not cam bolts, and I'm sure that the same even holds for the GR86. From running in D Street class, I know that I can't put cam bolts in - because they're not stock. Now for some strange quirk of the rules, you can get an extra bottom bolt and put that in the top hole, slam the hub all the way in, and torque it down to get that little extra camber angle -- I know, and I've done it because everyone else in my club does that. A cam bolt would be a lot nicer because it would help hold the angle, but SCCA rules don't allow that on these cars.
I would recommend some Eibach springs for you guys. For me, I would 100% leave it stock, but all the stance bois just cried out and terror 😭
I put on HKS Hipermax S, which were set up for this car specifically out of the box with a 1” drop pre-dialed, and I forget on a regular basis that they aren’t stock. I know the ride is a bit stiffer but I can’t remember the difference now. I’m happy I didn’t go with a set that comes with higher spring rates than these. They’re my first experience with coilovers but so far there’s been zero negatives and no degradation of ride quality for daily commuting. Just my 2¢ FWIW
BC Coilovers are absolutely awful. I'm not sure why so many of the larger 100k+ sub youtubers push them. I hated mine and I've never met anyone that liked their's either lol
Because BC sponsors them.
Great video, without language. Wasn't expecting you showing my comment but awesome you listen to your viewers. I have a young son that watches your videos with me and love your channel except for the language so thanks man. Another great video.
Thats awesome! I’ll do my best to keep it going
@@Camhill182your channel, your family, your life your choice. Fuxk every one else who has some thing to say.
@@Camhill182 I think people underestimate kids. My wife and I speak the way we speak regardless of the situation. We cuss, nothing super vulgar, but we have a fair amount of sentence seasoning. Out of our friends who have kids and other families I’ve observed, our kids seem to have the least issue with language. We let them know that these are words they can choose to use when they’re older, just like other things parents have to let their kids know aren’t appropriate until they’re older.
The kids I’ve seen struggling with cursing or other behaviors are usually the ones who are shielded completely, or told it’s forbidden, evil, bad etc.
I’ve watched your videos with my 8 year old son and he giggles at some of your curse words, the way he giggles at mine. The words are normalized, and by not placing at pressure or creating that mystery, he doesn’t have the urge to go and say those things.
Our 16 year old daughter was the same way when she was younger, and just now we’re starting to ease up on language limitations.
Your family, your decisions. I appreciate when people are real on their videos. I understand that you making the decision to “cleanup” isn’t necessarily fake. Not sure exactly what I’m saying honestly but felt like offering that food for thought.
@@JimmyDShea interesting take! I appreciate your perspective
Stock is best
I had a first and second gen BRZ and I was pretty shocked at how much more comfortable the second gen was. Not even just the suspension, but the seats are wayyy better too. That being said though, I think the stock suspension is the perfect balance of sport and comfort. I now have a '22 Mazda 3 and I actually feel like the second BRZ soaked up bumps better. They really got the dampers figured out on that one.
I went from OEM to BC BR 8k/8k to custom Cusco Zero 3S 10k/12k. BC had fast rebound and wasn't really better than OEM, the Cusco on the other hand feels like I'm floating on a big tub of oil, spring is really well controlled.
Proud of you for having a bit of humility cam! You're gonna be a great dad!
I'm riding on some RCE Tarmac II's and they are great. I daily mine and the ride is very compliant over rougher roads.
I also had a bad wheel gap on my stock wrx suspension.was going to get some BCs, but after I received some new 255 45 x 9.5 on 18s NO ROOM for a drop 😅 and no wheel gap. I should roll my fenders.
Jeep always break down lmao. Unreliable.
Looks good stock height
why did you buy a jeep, you should've known better!!
If you want a similar ride and just a mild drop do some springs. I think you would be happy.
I have H&R lowering springs, on my daily driver and it drives great. Perfect height too.
Shift solenoid is very easy to install
It looks good stock height.
Time for a K24 9th gen build???
absolutely
Dude your gonna hurt your back taking off those lug nuts like that. U never wanna pull up like u did, always push down with your body weight. That can also be applied to any tough to remove bolt or nut. Always push instead of pull. It'll be much easier that way and less chance you'll hurt yourself.
Oh wifey drives stick? Nice! !!!
I was also shocked 😂
Here about the jeep:
Shift solenoid is on the bottom and changabke.
The shop can do a better diag then jeeps own computer. Its a pressure system and can fault for many reasons, leak, over coltage etc. either way dump that jeep
I have those coilovers on my GD and I’m swapping them for Bilsteins with OEM top hats. Imo unless it’s a cheap dedicated track car, either go stock or dish out for good ones. Those BC’s feel like crap imo. They just spend a ton on TH-cam advertising
Look into some KW’s!
Just saw this after commenting on the other video. Go digressive next time! You'll love it. Also, sell the JEEP get a Sequoia or 4Runner!
305hp vs 222hp; yes, I hope the Type-R feels more powerful (and torqeee) compared to the BRZ. So, why did you buy coils in the first place? looks (stance) or performance? If for looks, I can understand why you hate them (wrong tool for the job). Which model of BC coils since there are half a dozen or so to choose from, not that any model of BC coil would give what you are/were looking for? Personally, I think you just bought the wrong (brand) coilovers; but again, that's just me.
You just need a small drop now. Maybe a 0.8 drop. 1 inch max. I'm sure there are some quality springs you could install.
More importantly, what happened to that sweet BRZ sound track? Did you take off your JDL front pipe or something?!
Nothing happened to it! I just always had a cold car this video so I never got on it
@@Camhill182 Oh, it was so loud when you installed it (your MAP exhaust). But nice to see it can be quiet when you want it to be!! 👍
@@roger3958 its a great setup. If you drive like a grandma, it can be quiet. If you drive spiritedly, it’ll get loud. Its linear and i love it
Get some eibachs and call it a day.
@@twhalen haven’t had a set sag yet. In fact they manufacture TRD branded springs. They also have a lifetime warranty against sagging or defect.
You can select custom spring rates! Do your research folks-----don't accept their default spring rates.
You want to research the stock spring rates, then figure out what the default coilover spring rates are. Usually just half of the coilover spring rates will serve you well.
You have a beautiful wife and family. Just keep up the great videos and work.
If I could recommend something please to you dont go beyond lowering springs if you dont track. Unless you willing to drop $2k+
Hey cam! just wondering if you were still selling these coilovers Thanks!
I haven’t had any issues with my BC Coilovers on my Camry as of yet. And they’ve been on since 2022.
Never buy an American cars&suv reliability SUCKS ...
I have rev 9 coilovers on my 9th gen SI and the ride is horrible lmao. But low is life lmao
No top 10 ? Your last top ten cost me a fortune because I bought the Def Leppard back catalogue 😂
You’re an Awesome mechanic!!!
Keep up with the videos!!!
Fortune auto 500 with swift springs is what I went with and love them. I think they ride better than stock.
Rip brz, honda shreked it. Hondas ultimate shifter feel
Better then me id say deal with it or drive the type R im not taking the coilovers off
To put the car on all jacks there’s a bigger pinch weld just to the rear of the ones in the front. Lift the car from there and the whole side of the car comes up then used the regular pinch welds for the stands!
17:57 that car thinking he cool 🤣
Did you replace your exhaust? Sounds nicer and less loud
Cam... It's really time to get some battery tools. Milwaukee or DeWalt.
I'm glad you have a garage of your own to work on your cars. I'm going to need to look into getting my suspension fixed on my 8th Gen Civic and want to go with coilovers also.
Hi cam
I looked all over internet to know that if you tune your car, is it going to void the factory engine warranty? I recently bought a 2019 mustang gt and want to add pop tune. Car only have 6,000 miles and comes with warranty. Will tune void it ?
Yes it will. Pop tunes are also very bad for your engine
Hit up zoovie for a run he has a boosted 9 gen Si sedan
I agree that most coilovers come with VERY STIFF DEFAULT spring rates! BUT, for experienced folks---you can set a custom spring rate! BC does this, Silvers does this too, etc.
Whatever the default rate, just HALVE it and you'll do fine. It'll be stiffer than stock but not tooo stiff.
Defeats the purpose and won’t ride as intended since the shocks are valved at the spring rates they include. Just go to stock suspension or lowering springs
What car you thinking of getting after the jeeps gone? Would be cool if you got something like a Camry trd as the family vehicle haha. Love the vids
Thanks! Vivian is set on an SUV since it comes in handy so much for us. Especially since we'll have an 8th/9th Gen Si and the Type R, we don't want a third car
I'm waiting til I can afford some Fortune 500s or similar, saw some used ones on FB marketplace nearby but dunno if there's a different set for the second gen.
Seems with suspension you want to get close to the 2k range to make sure the dampers are better than stock. Heard "affordable" ones can be pretty harsh and this is one thing you can't cheap out on if you care about your hips and butt.
I wouldn't get FA500 if I was you, RCE's line up is 10X better than Fortune Auto.
What's up cam. CamHSquad
Good choice. Hated my BC’s when I had them.
8:02 lol of course the R gonna feel faster 😊
You to are very blessed. Take care of your two beautiful girls ! Love your videos and following your life. Oh and the cars!
Thanks! Its always fun to share
Just stop cursing and give the civic to Vivian
My GR86 is still in stock ride height and for some reason, the wheel gap looks worse than yours and it's on 18" wheels
Tire height matters as well
Don’t understand why people buy coils just to ride at stock height
What are you referring to?
That’s cool to see Vivian driving both cars and hearing her thoughts. Does she like driving manual?
She does like driving it! Except not in the Tampa Bay traffic. Traffic is miserable here
You should order Vivi the new upcoming Toyota 4Runner!
I havent seen the new 4Runner revealed yet. I like the Land Cruiser though
May get some 18x9.5 better
wait isn't the current one adjustable why not adjust it to her liking?
These are overdamped out of thr factory. Even at the softest setting, you aint getting 70% critically damped. Above 100% critically damped, suspension moves really slow btw.
Also, almost 90% of the companies out there get the spring rates wrong. If he got a pitch ride, his car will bounce. No matter how he adjusts it.
BC coilovers are terrible
Can’t go wrong with fortune auto, have it on my sti and my nsx
I just copped FA 10/6 swifts for my accord coupe. I can’t wait. I am currently on Tein Flex Z and they are a bit too floaty
keep your work !
Time to give the wife the fk8 and you go get the fl5....
I really want one. If there are aftermarket front bumpers that become available at some point, I’m gonna grab one
@Camhill182 oh I'm sure they're are plenty of options in Japan already.
Say halo to Brasil 🇧🇷🇧🇷
Halo brazil
It's not about listening to comments, it's about showing the sincerity to better yourself. Thank you for this! May Allah bless your child and family.
Great video! Are you thinking about lowering springs on the stock suspension?
Im actually thinking about selling this and replacing with an 8th or 9th Gen
@@Camhill182 How come? Are you not happy with it, or is the old one better?
@@Rankhole123 i love this car, but I just don’t have an urge to go crazy with it. A 9th Gen, there are a million things i want to do to it
@@Camhill182 I see. Certainly in the States it's a lot more possible and enjoyable to do that. Here in Germany we can't do much...everything has it's norms and you can't deviate much. Any mods can possibly cause you to lose your car's street legality.