All really interesting hypotheses. I often thought of Troy as a very cosmopolitan city, perhaps with a Luwian-speaking majority but with a ruling family of Mycenaean Greek descent. Therefore my guess would be that it's a combination of Mycenaean Greek and Luwian, but I'm certainly not an expert on this subject. Great video, the language trees were very helpful!
Luwians are one of the pre-Greek tribe who with years became Greeks. The other tribes was Minoans, Pelasgians and the majority the very first Indo-European tribes who the who Hellenic identity was built by their culture. Something similar to ancient Italian tribes before Romans
the progenitor of the royal trojan house was Dardanos, a refugee from the peloponnese, to be precise from Arcadia. Hence, the "Greek" connection to the Troad region. There were Greek settlements along the Anatolian coastline.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Wilusa was a Luwian speaking city, at least the ruling elite. Now, if the common people were luwian speakers, and the ruling elite spoke mycenaean greek, that would be quite interesting, and not so far from reality.
That Homer implies there was no difficulty for the Greeks to speak with the trojans, b and yet he makes the point that when the local Trojan allies showed up, there was a cacophony of languages should be taken seriously.
Graikos don’t understand Trojans nor Homer. They destroyed themself Hellenic roots and Homer language. Only Arvanitas people understand Homer and Trojans but Greece government punish them if they talk. Politic scrutiny
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vwhat a joke. I am Greek true descendant of the Homeric heroes, i have red both the Iliad and Odyssey as a child reading it in its ancient (greek) language. Arvanites are ethnically Greeks once bilingual, not a single one of them is self indetify as a non Greek. Never has been a law forbidding them to speak arvanitika nor has been any law, political or social movement that has oppressed them. If you do not believe me, ask them yourself, stop lying and badmouthing my homeland.
The Trojans were Aeolian Greeks and consequently they spoke the Aeolian Greek dialect. According to Mythology, after the fall of Troy, Trojans erected the city of Rome (Roma in Latin which in Aeolian Greek means "power". Taking into consideration that the Ancient Greeks considered Latin as a distorted Aeolian dialect, confirms their Greek origin!
It indicates a possible Greek connection for Rome. It doesn't PROVE anything at all, definitely not that Rome was of Greek origin, and it says nothing at all about Troy.
@@gastrofileaccording to Homer, in "Iliad", the Greeks and the Trojans spoke the same language and believed in the same Gods (the Greek gods of Olympus)!
@@bodnica so? Traders normally through transactions make money buying and selling things not inventing 27 different theories on what was going on at that part of Mediterranean as we don't have much on them about the text of Greeks on them
Mycenaean Greek. The Troyan war was a civil war. The importan thing is that Troy and Frygia in Asia Minor were establised and colonised in prehistory form people from northen Greece where the Greek Macedonia is, and only Greek and their name in macedonia was Brygia, the people were called Bryges, the B changed to F according to the evolution of the language. They were GREEKS with THRACIAN origin. Sources: Herodotous and the Greek born in Cicely Diodorous the Cecillian. Diodorous at his time 1st century BC also wrote that the Greek toponyms in Troy and in Crete with the Minoan civilization were identical which could mean a lot about the connection between them.
@@polha4966 No, the Brygians or Frygians went to Asia Minor from the Greek macedonia by boats, looking for gold..they had their information. In the Greek Macedonia there was a lot of gold and still there is today. They wanted more, they wanted to rule... they wanted everything..... You have heard the story about king MIDAS (he was Frygian) who everything he touched, it became Gold, they found a lot of gold in Frygia, thats why they established Troy, bacause if you don't have a sea port to carry the gold where you want, there is no result......no civiliazation, no city states, no army, no defence, nothing, you are in danger.....Pontus does not belong in this story as far as i know. Before the Brygians or Frygians who if i remember well is one of the 10 Pelasgian tribes, which were Proto Greeks not Pre Greeks...Another Pelasgian tribe Called MINYES they went to Colhis, Georgia in the Black Sea today, this group of people is Known as the JASON AND ARGONAUTES, beacause in Colhis they had discovered a way to extract gold from the rivers using a sheep skin but it had a unick man performed trasformation in order to extract Gold . The strange thing is that they found in Colhis a Greek king, called AITIS they comunicated in this pelasgian early Greek, there was no knowledge in the so called Greece at that time that there were a few Greeks and a Greek king in Colhis...Eventually the stole one of those sheep skins and the daugter of the king Aitis, and came back to Greece..
@@polha4966not really, proto-greek is widely thought to have evolved at the mountanous region between modern day epirus and western macedonia around 2000 BC and this makes those regions the best contenders as the place where the greek ethnogenesis ocurred
@@deniztark6242 look turk proto greek was evolved in caucasus as all european languages did. In an era you turks did not even exist as a nation. It s ridiculous that in all greek related videos there s a turk commenting writting unihostorical nonsenses. From the steppes north and south of caucasus the greeks passed through modern day romania to greece.
@@g70fulproto greek started as all european languages in the area north and south and around caucasus. Thus the proto greeks passed from caucasus to pontus and from there to greece where they first arrived in thrace and macedonia. Also pelasgians were not proto greeks they were pre greeks. The pelasgians did not spoke an indoeuropean language. Some of pelasgian words exist still in greek and have no indoeuropean root words such as thalassa, olynthos, zakynthos etc... minoans too were not greeks that s why we cant decipher their language. The ancient greeks were calling minoans as eteocretes aka pure cretans aka non greeks
Homer, a Greek, writes in Iliad that half of the Greek Gods take the side of the Trojans who bear Greek names and still some debate if they were Greeks and what language they were talking....Oh God(s)!
@@moderatecanuck Keeping the same name? Having exact the same 12 main Gods? Or just those 6 gods that helped the Trojans? Well if you can be more specific about who they were, their names (In Trojan since they did not speak Greek...) and their attributes (or powers) we would like to hear it cause it seems you deny the fact that a Greek speaks about Greek Gods refering to them with their Greek names but "donors" them as helpers to a foreign power which does not make any sense. Homer is specific about Greek gods using their Greek names. Or else he should had used the name Trojans use for those partuicular gods. Or at least make the distinction of both their names in Greek and in Trojan language.
The Ancient Greeks believed that foreigners worshiped the same gods as them. They identified the chief deity worshiped by foreigners with Zeus, and the war god with Ares ect..
@@jokester3076 So Greeks believed that all foreigners no matter who they are, easterners or westerners worshipped the same gods as themselves. What are the ancient sources for this claim, it would be interesting for us to hear where it is found written.
The Trojans were a mixture of Hatti and Luwi, but were predominantly Hatti. The Hatti language was a non-Indo-European agglutinative language spoken by the Hattians. In other words, they were not Greeks or Albanians. Research who used agglutinative languages (Sumerians, Etruscans, etc.)..
Well trojans were greeks , and so were achaeans too , this war was literally a civil war pretty much (like almost any war in the greek realm for example Athens vs sparta) which its believed to be mostly for the Influence and the trade in the whole Agean and black sea , since Trojans were growing rapidly as a power , while achaeans were already a power
@Thebattler86 they were it's origin is coming Arkadians , and at their time the whole area already also under Aeolians control (both of em are greek tribes) so it's either one of these 2 , also they were talking Greek , they were believing in Greek gods , and their culture was the same with Greeks and their lifestyle too which was Trade through sea , and overall close to the sea as people also their building/architecture type was greek and specifically it was aeolic I think , at any case way too many similarities with Greeks dont u think so ? All these facts alone give way more chances for Trojans to be Greeks rather being something else , and Hettites also saw Trojans as Greeks too
The problem of the Trojan language doesn't exist. Trojans had Greek Religion and Greek Names. They were also Greeks in origin. Trojan war was a civil war, so to say, since they were all Greeks, Invaders and Defenders. The name Héctor means the man who has the power, from the Greek - Trojan 'Εκτωρ = Εχέτωρ. The name Andromachi, the Héctor's wife means the woman who is involved in combat with men, from the Greek - Trojan Ανδρομάχη = Άνδρας+μάχη. Both parties Invaders and Defenders had the same Gods, thus they had the same Religion. Trojans were speaking Greek because they were Greeks.
Luwians used cuneiform and hieroglyph to write, I'm not aware of the Greeks using either one. It's a Greek story, not a Luwian, they used Greek names. Luwian religion was influenced by other cultures living around them.
ju të gjithë mund të pretendoni atë që dëshironi, por e vërteta është krejt ndryshe. fjala trojan është fjalë shqipe. ne sot paguajmë taksën e trojes, dhe Troja e vërtetë është në Shqipëri, në qytetin e Lezhës. E vërteta vonon por nuk harrohet kurrë...
The Trojan war was mentioned by Homer as AGreek civil war. They talked They all talked The same language ,Greek, worshipped the same gods have the same culture so as Homer says and all the above indicate all those involved in this Cival war were Greeks.
Well, as a historian i must say the mistake that contemporary translators did for Odyssey and Iliad: Homer never said that Greeks faught against Trojans. He wrote that Achaeans faught against Trojans who spoke the same Greek language . Achaeans are one of the 4 main Greek tribes. Ioneans were also one of the 4 main Greek tribes Dorians (spartans, macedonians, epirotans) and Aeoleans are the other 2. Homer was Ionean Greek from Miletos (western Anatolia) next to Troy. For Homer it was granted that Trojans were Ionean Greeks just like him, worshipping the same Greek gods, with the same Greek names and toponymy: Priam's paremts were these Greeks: Laomedon and Leucippe Priam's kids were these Ionean Greeks: Hector, Paris (called by Homer as Alexandros also), Cassandra, Helenos, Deiphobos, Laodice, Polyxeni, Polydoros, Polites, Antiphos, Hipponous Only Greeks have Greek words as their names and toponymies That's why there is not even one line in all Homer's rhapsodies stating that Trojans faught against Greeks but Achaeans against Trojans
Plato says that the Greek names of the Trojans are constructed by Homer. Most ancient writers call the Trojans ``”Barbarians" and "Frygians". Philostratus says that the spirit of Hektor spoke a barbaric language. Homer says that anyone seeking civil war is a bastard without honor. So are all of his heroes if Trojans were Greeks. When the Kings of all Greece presented themselves as suitors for Helen no Trojan came to claim her… If the Trojan war was a civil war then there is no point to the Homeric Epic.
Trojans were Pelasgians, Pelasgians were no Achaeans and before being assimilated in hundreds of years the Achaeans were no Ionians, Aeolians, Aegeans.
@user-fm8zp9vp4q ma guy if u believe that about the "Civil wars" then u must be really stupid , bcs in ancient Greece almost every war fought was a civil war and the greatest example of them is the Peloponnese war where it was Athens vs Sparta , Trojans were greeks , and specifically of Aeolian origin
I recently acquired a book, «The Troyan War» (in Spanish). it talks more about the city itself and its history, only occasionally refering to the possible language the Trojans spoke. the most notable mention of this was a seal found near the site, which contains a Hittite inscription, perhaps linking it politically to the Hittites, but not necessarily linguistically my favorite hypothesis is the one suggesting a non-Indoeuropean language being spoken there
This is what I found when I was trying to learn about the language the Trojans spoke. Everyone was interested in discussing whether Troy ever existed, the various levels of cities at the site, etc. The language? They had no interest in that.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vHittite was actually one of the oldest attested Indo-European languages, and I've never heard any suggestion of it being ancestral to these other languages. I'm inclined to believe that either you or someone you unfortunately believed pulled that entire statement from a dark, smelly bodily orifice.
I pay little heed to Homer's writing dealing with mythic memories 400 years later. Homer did not even remember the existence of the Hittite Empire! Homer, if he existed, was a poet, a teller of tales, combining those from all over. In his songs and tales, his heroes are going to have to speak the same language so they can be understood by his audiences, who always seem to have spoken a form of Greek.
@@sarp4919 Homer is not a reliable historical source. He seems entirely unaware that Troy was surrounded on three sides by the vast Hittite Empire. He wrote or sang his epic poems for Greek (Hellenic) speakers and he wanted both sides of the war to have a voice, so he had to portray these 400-year-old warriors as all Greek.
They had Greek names themselves, they worshiped the same 12 gods of Olympus, and Homer never insinuated that Trojans and Mycenaeans needed translation to understand each other. Verdict: Greeks.
I was always convinced during the war it was some kind of Greek used among the elites. The commoners might have spoken several other more or less local languages of various origins.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 exactly. but even homer admits there was a mix of languages spoken when they gathered the armies. also it's not even certain homer existed. just stories retold over and over. the common folk most likely would think everybody spoke greek since they didn't see much of any foreigners ever.
@@zarni000 - “Homer” is a convenient name for the author of the Iliad. Whether he (or they, as it may have been more than one writer) existed is irrelevant as some actual person had to do the work of writing the thing down. We might as well call him “Homer”.
There is a theory thracians migrated in north eastern europe and the big slavic entity is indeed Thracian, including the scythians. Thracian / Illyrian tribes took their high civilization, culture, farming , cattle raising, including dog breeding knowledge into eastern Europe, may be as far as Denmark and north western germany . Ancient history taught in western hemisphere needs reviewing . There is hidden or denied evidence of antiquity .
I believe it was a Minoan colony, and after the "invasion?" of the Mycenaeans in Crete, the commercial and cultural contacts of Troy with the Mycenaeans continued for 2 centuries, until the disruption of relations and the Mycenaean invasion. Language Linear A' and later Linear B'. Evidence unfortunately destroyed.
1. TROY in Albanian means THE LAND written as TROJA. You can search in google translate in plural form TROJET. 2. ILLYRIA in Albanian means the NEW STAR written as YLL I RIA 3. EMATHIA in Albanian means THE GREATNESS 4. IYON SEA in Albanian means OUR SEA written as DET I JON. I JON>OUR 5. ALEKSANDER in Albanian has a meaning it means THE LEADER AS A DREAM written as a sentence AI LEK SI ANDER > ALEKSANDER Note: These are really interesting coincidences that I wanted to share here. Maybe it really has connection maybe not. But there are really much antic names that are meaningful in Albanian. As a researcher I wanted to show you some random examples.
Not just that bro but thousands more like evropa , azi , afrika America, Mediterranean, sumerijan , brindesi , bukuresht , Ancona Vladimir, emir , dua , siri , elas , ibri , priam , Atlantidha , korfus , Hector, etrusk , Dardanelle, pamir , emir , pashk Tata, nona , dodona , and much more , people who don't know , and can't explain those specially greks and serbs , they laugh let them laugh, will the day who all the word will know that albanian language its the mother of all the language and has his roots everywhere, and the story with acient Greeks is the bigest scamer in history of humanity.
@Leon-nr6oi Exactly I agree with you. But therefore we Albanians should protect our language as it is a hide gem. And to protect it we should be united in the Ballkans.
Hittite ritual texts were included also different languages. Scientists discovered new late bronze age languages in these texts as Palaic, Hattic, Luwian and Kalasma. Maybe futures newly found ritual texts could include Trojan Language. While Hittites religious ceremonies were happening vassal states representatives had to be ready there.
Trajans were Frygians, who were a Thracian tribe in Asia-minor. Trojans spoke a thracian language, which is proto bulgarian lanhuage. Indeed there is historical and artefactual evidence that the so called greek alphabet was the Paelasgian / Thracian alphabet and taken by the Danayans / proto greeks when they came from Egypt to the Balkans .
Trojan war was a Greek civil war over economic gains. They spoke the same language, worshipped the same Gods and had the same culture. Please read the Iliad and you will understand. The rest is just a joke for people with minimum knowledge of history or paid trolls
Few things to understand discussing the topic. Now we are living in time of standartized languages which we're standartized between xviii and xix century. So we have dictionaries, pronunciation guidelines, schools, universities, media, etc. When we say that German is the only language spoken in Germany we are missing the fact that there are Berlinisch, Bayerisch, Schwäbisch, Sächsisch, Frisian etc. And they are related (all germanic, more than that Low East Germanic) but always quite mutually intelegable. The same situation mostlikely took place in the ancient Aegean and Anatolian region. When we are talking about old dead languages they either have writting record as Hetite or not as one spoken in Troy. What we can ask ourselves about was it somewhere indoeuropean or rather pre-indoeuropean. And when and If we can make sense of the original language of EEF which was spoken in Anatolia before indoeuropean language we could continue on this topic.
Sumerian is a language written with cuneiform. It is followed by Hittites and later we start with Illyrian language, Pellasgian and Hellenic. All of them are similar. But new Greece (Graikos) is different. Eg. they don’t understand Homer language.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v well, sumerian has No known relativ languages. Hettite and illerian and Greek are branches of indoeuropean language family. Hope you aren't claming a relation between languages based on writing system. Because it is not working like this. E.g. English and Finnish both use latin letters being unrelated at least within the period 9-12k years we can more or less reconstruct. And both started using this letters a bit more than one thausand years ago. The same hettite cuneaform isn't the same as sumerian. And languages are totaly different.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v yep and the Standard Hochdeutsch which is a standartised based, if I remember it correct, on Hanover German. It is the situation in span of few hundred years which we know very good and there are a lot of writing and even sound records. On the other hand what we now call Hettite, Luwian, Lycian, Kalashma etc are languages with corpus in one good novel book spread through a few thausands years. Maybe relation between Hettite and Luwian similar to Berlinisch and Bayerisch where hypothetical Anatolian is "Hochdeutsch". Just as an example i will give you one sentance in Hochdeutsch, Berlinisch and Bayerisch and English. I had a bread roll for breakfast. Hochdeutsch: Ich habe ein Brötchen zum Frühstück (gegessen). Bayerisch: I hoab heid Fria a Semmel gessen Berlinisch: Ick hab' 'ne Schrippe(Brötchen) zum Frühstück jejessen. So basically what you can see above are distinctive enough languages if they have any political status. Also Dutch or Dänisch are not much different from Hochdeutsch as German (also Austria and Swiss) local dialects.
When King of Troy Priamos visited Achilles to beg him about taking back the dead body of his son Hector and bare him with honour didn't need translators to communicate and understand each other. They had common language and Gods.
@@christoskotsias8050 Of course. You have a point? Schliemann did not find what he expected, no matter how hard he tried to pretend he had. In fact he dug down through Troys no one had existed, destroying the later Troys above (including Homer's Troy), going back to about 2000 BCE.
First of all Troy is not in Turkey. There were no Turks at this period of time. Troy was a Dardanian city. Dardania was and is what you call today Kosovo. This region was called dardania until the 19th century. The slavs changed the name and keep calling it kosovo. Homer when he wrote The iliriad not iliad, the original name is Iliriad. Iliriad is the region of Dibra north Albania. Homer described in detail northern albania. Lezha is the city that was Troy. Homer describes in detail this region. Troy or troja means property in albanian. Still used today. There were no greeks at this time. This was a civil war that happened in illiricum. Between pellasgian tribes. There were no other languages spoken accept illyrian language. None other language has ever been found at this time except illyrian. Homer wrote in illyrian. Translated in the 6th century to greek and other words were added to the new translation. 28 dardanian kings per homer took property(troy) and build this. Castle on top of an existing castle that has cyclopic stones. The city it self has massive stones that carbon date at least 12000 years. Around 1200 BC earthquake destroyed the city. Alexander the king at that time rebuild the city using smaller stones and in 1160 the Dardanians took over. Google Lezha in albania and you will see the actual Troy. It still stands there. You can see in detail every detail what homer described about his homeland. Stop waisting your inteligence and money going to Turkey. Do you want to see the real Troy? Go to Albania
@@zeljkoljiljak7256 Beforehand we can speak about the official treaty between the emperor Zenon and the Bulgarian king Budan in year 481-482 where he officially gives to Bulgarians the fortress Singidunum which in the roman historical documents and sources becomes Alba Bulgarica or the White Town of Bulgarians aka Belgrade! Secondly we can speak of Panonia or Northern Italy were in 500-550 Bulgarians created the Comitatis Bulgariensis between Milano, Torino and Novara, have you ever heard of it? Finally we can speak of the Thracian dynasty of Crimea with names as Sparotok and if you are linguist you can get the point? It is up to you on which side you want to be?
Albanians might speak Chinese or chinese swahili ( in accordance to the langs and names you mix in a blender in all kind of unbelievably different times), most probably, in accordance to what you say in order to achieve reaching your preposterous conclusion. get a book
@@Notme17111 albanian in 1450 BC? There are albanians mentioned at gavgamila- That's in the MIDDLE EAST!!- on the right flank of Darius against Alex 1100 years later FOR THE FIRST TIME! !!GET A BOOK WITH NOT JUST PICTURES but the marks ( latin alphabet ) you ve adopted after 1805AD ( first ordered by the french albanian dictionary written by a foreigner to you in a foreign lang to yours out of what??? No written alphabet!!! Impressive
For the first tribes that made civilisation we know these: 1.That some of first civilisations had more slaves compared to free people. 2. That around city, some people, 1/3 most of the times were technicians that migrating between cities and passing their art 3. Slaves many times lose easier their cultural heritage, even if they reproduce in captivity 4. Indoeuropeans came as horselords-nomads, not as shiplords, neolithics were shiplords These four argument compicating genetics and culture if they were true by the neolithic time
Το sum up : 1) Homer and all other Epics mention Troy and Troyans as bearing Greek names only, having Greek gods, Greek customs even Greek nick-names and distinguish them explicitly from their non-Greek allies coming from the interior. Mythology also mentions that Troy was founded by Arcadian Greeks. 2) Hittites referring to Wilusa (i.e. Ilion, the city of Troy) mention 2 of its leaders Alaksandu (which sounds very much the Greek name of Alexander) and Piyama-radu (which sounds very much like the Greek name Priamos), both names mentioned in the Epics (Alexander was the birth name of Paris, Paris was his nick name, Priamos was the nickname, his birthname was Podarkes). 3) Archaeology unearthed a city that looked like a Mycenaean citadel. and of course.... 4) Other than occasional trade items coming from the East as one would expect and which were a small minority of the local Greek stuff found in there, nothing non-Greek was found linked with the city of Ilion. Hittites themselves never claimed to have established there. Lydians were not yet there in western Minor Asia (e.g. Homer does not even refer to them - their ancestors Luwians were still in eastern Minor Asia). Modern "specialists": Troy was Hittite!!!! No!!! It was Luwian!!!!! LOL!
Today every country speak English but they are not all English people. Hellenic culture was dominant at that time. The new invented Greece language (Graikos) don’t understand Hellenic or Homeric language.
What very few people know, but proven by clear historical sources, is the fact that the famous ancient city, which Homer talks about in the Iliad, is a Thracian city. The Thracians were the primordial people in Europe, over 100 tribes that Herodotus writes about. Primordial compared to the Greeks who appear later.
Hittites did not exist. It's Jewish myth. The guy in this channel is lost. When all these bananas realize how old and how magnificent ancient Greece was they will stop being specialists about Batman and DC comics
the names troy and ilion themselves are of anatolian origin. lydians, an anatolian people were also culturally and religiously influenced by greeks so these points that you made won't prove that they were greek. the architecture is partly greek and partly anatolian and why are you basing your claim on trojan religion on homer?
@@Thebattler86 it was founded by the exiled Trojan Brutos, who called it Troia Nova ("New Troy"), which was gradually corrupted to Trinovantum. So he went to London not visa versa.. open a book
Well, you could say that if there is a written source of their names and gods written in some other language but still with Greek names and gods. But since for now there is only a Greek written source not written even near to the time of Trojan war, those arguments you provide are simply ignorant and weak... And argument that nobles wanted to marry each others as argument that they had to be the same ethnic origin...? Dude, that's not argument any adult person should ever consider, not even spoke loudly... It's beyond childish...
How absurd, the trojans, like the hittites came from the caucuses and like them spoke uraltaic turkic, Thrace>Trachia>Turchia, escaping prince Turcus returned to his native Sweden and was received by King Gyfyr, whom referred to him as the Turkish son of Odin and gave up his throne at once. Ref:prof. Swen Lagerbring Ref:Swen Sturlisson
Trojans where the Romans called them later,Dardani di Iliri, they were Dardanian of the Illyrians , DNA results today still the same people exist in Kosovo and Albania and Macedonia, Montenegro and Dalmatia Today they’re called Albanians in the past they were in different provinces of ancient Illyria the only way to get the truth in history is with local people DNA test that will give you the honest truth
Nope was hitite mix mittani turco mongol indo iranic etruscan grouop frigians later scityans was celto iberyan gypsy khazar and hispanic etruscan frigians with long heats în head forme of rome read history of hitite wich was nagas
Etruscan tongue sanskrit phonecians semit aramaic dialect wroten from right to left semit etrusci hitite frigians gopekly tepe all have heats în head scityans
Trojans are Tracian. Even History tv tels that the last Trojan Eney went to nowaday Italy after the Trojan war ans that he is ancestor of Romul and Rem that created Rome. It was told that Romans were obsessed by Tracian culture and religion.
ALL who were speaking greek were Greeks and those who were not speaking greek were Barbarians (ie: not understandable). Homer, about the meetings of Acheans & Trojans describes EVERYTHING (ie: people present, their ancestors, the presents given etc) but no translators, because there weren't any! Trojians and Achaeans were both speaking greek. They also had the same gods, a key fact for the ancient greek nation. Archaeological finds show strong relations to mainland and island Greece; the same culture (one stamp from the East show commercial affairs). So, Trojans were Greeks, Homer describes the 1st greek civil war!
Trojans were Phrygians who migrated eastward from the Balkans into Asia Minor. They had the same origin as the Greeks who migrated southward from what is now Epirus and Macedonia.
@@Notme17111te mbifte ne balle...ateher pse sot tokes dhe prones i themi trojet tona?pse edhe ne ditet e sotme paguan taksen e trojes?cop kari me dy sy
Usually, the simplest answeri s the right one. The kingdoms in the area were speaking some form of Greek language.... the most Trojan names are Greek ( Πρίαμος, Αλέξανδρος(Πάρις), Ανδρομάχη, Αστυάναξ etc.)..... Humble opinion.....Paris and Helen didn't need translators.... 🙂
Same gods (lower case g bro - upper case G has only one and true God, you should know that)? Muslim Arab will say for One who we call God the Father, Allah. Same Arab would even say that that is the same God as his one. But if you know just a little bit of what is written in quran, you have to know that who they callibg God is nothing near to actuall God Almighty... Bad argument dude...
The pre-Indo-European language in Troy was a Tyrsenian language. Although the Etruscans are nowadays considered a locally developed culture on the Italian Peninsula, this is also evidenced by genetic studies showing Y-DNA haplogroup subclades, primarily R1b, J2b, and G2a. Examining the paternal DNA of the samples from these studies reveals a predominantly Indo-European ancestry, connected with an Urnfield Culture (Indo-European) ancestry of the Etruscans. Additionally, most Northwestern Anatolians and people from nearby islands are primarily under J2a, J1, and G2a subclades in this region, as seen in the J2a heatmap. Another point to consider is that ancient Greek chroniclers attributed a Anatolian origin to the Etruscans. According to Herodotus, they came from the region of Lydia. Other Greek chroniclers regarded the Etruscans as Pelasgians originating from the Aegean. Since we can exclude, based on genetics, an Anatolian or Aegean origin for the native majority population, it is more likely that their language was introduced by a Pelasgian elite from the Aegean in the final phase of the Villanovan Culture. It is known that these so-called Pelasgians migrated as far as Canaan (Philistines) and Egypt (Peleset), significantly intermixing with the predominantly Semitic population and assimilating into it, yet retaining their identity. Considering that the Etruscans developed their own alphabet and adopted Mediterranean architecture, all this influence and rapid cultural development must have come from somewhere. The eastern influences came mainly during the early years of the Etruscan civilization, with the Etruscans adopting “orientalizing” artistic styles and other cultural influences (particularly from the Greeks), which might have been the basis for the “Asia Minor hypothesis” of later ancient authors. The main support for a Pelasgian origin of the Etruscan language is the Lemnos Stele. The only solution to the question of the origin of the Etruscan language could possibly be provided by the graves of early Etruscan aristocrats and their DNA. If these graves show a predominantly J2a, J1, and G2a presence with subclades from the Aegean, we might be on the right track. Thus, the question of the Trojan language, which was previously a Tyrsenian language replaced by Luwian, would also be resolved. In its final stage, it received a strong Mycenaean influence through the Mycenaean Greek elite who controlled the city of Wilusa.
You make good points for a minority position. The Tyrhennians as the Hellenes called them or the Tarsenoi as they were also known apparently dwelt on Lemnos at the time of Homer's Trojan War. They were surely present at nearby Troy, even if they weren't a majority. Some woman whose name I can't recall wrote a book defending this position.
@@gregorynixon2945Bro no one can explain me that Etruscan is native to nowadays Italy. It’s possible for sure, like in the case of the Basque people where most of them are under R1b-DF27 (Celto-Iberian) subclades, meanwhile they still speaking a Paleo-European Language brought by long lost G2a EEF or I2 WHG populations, no one knows. But why Ancient people telling us that they are from the East and how they established their own Alphabet and Mediterranean influenced Architecture in a short time.
Eneas when arrived in Latium was received so well by the King. Even the daughter of the Latium King was promised to another man, the king gave his daughter to Eneas. Makes sense that later Augustus and Julius Cesar and other Roman emperors called themselves Dardanoi. Thracian Dardanoi. If Eneas was Greek the Roman Emperors considered themselves Greek, not Dardanoi. Read P.N.Ovidius. Romans documented that Eneas brought to Latium the Greek Pantheon, even he was Dardanoi took with him the Greek Pantheon.
The Trojan war is not about Greeks and Trojans, only the westerns translate it in that way. The Greeks as my self we learnrd the Iliad as the Homer writing and describe the war between Acheans and Trojan's. The term Greek arive from hero Grekos (old man) and this is the roman exonim for the Hellenes in historical period. The ethnotic term Hellas mentioned in Iliad as a city area in Thessaly who was part of kingdom of Achilles.
Almost certainly Troy was attacked by the Peoples of the Sea, which may have included Achaeans. Likely Troy fell after Mycenae and Tiryns, so the Achaeans could have become homeless by that time and turned into raiders.
@@gregorynixon2945According Herodotus Achaeans were Greeks and all who participated in Trojan war were Greeks according Homerus. Homerus called Greeks " Achaeans" as their ancestor Acheus settled in Achaea ( Pelloponisos) with his brother Pelasgus at 5th millebium
@@BenSna-vo4wd Trojan war wasnt a myth- historically Greeks expanded to M Asia Pontos Bosporus( established Byzantio later Konstanpolis) and all these names existed in writing documents by Greek authors 3000 yrs before
Of course, they were not Turks, as these originated in Northern Central Asia, where they share linguistical traits with Mongolian people. In those days, Asia Minor was more influenced by Indo-European groups.
But he could still have had a Greek name influenced by Mycenean contacts, eventhough his mother tongue and the main language of Troy was Luwian or something else
In Iliad there is plenty of dialogues in Greek. Priam on his knees spoke to Achilles to release the body of his dead son Hector.. Common Gods and common languange speak loud. Probably Trojans also spoke Asian languanges.
What's the name of Hector's wife and kid? His medium sister's ? Who 's Priamus nephew in Greek Army? When Trojans went to Sparta ( Paris met Helen) negotiations were on what dictionaries where used. You got this destruction of Crete when Thyra's volcano erupted while you've got quite a few cretan ships and army gathered and paid on their way to Ilion. Which is first in time. (ruined economy) Gathering money and sending ship and army into an expensive war? Croesus and Solon had a discussion I do believe we know the circumstances did they understand each other? Then you ve got Timaios by Plato
Phrygian a sister language to Greek back then. They could have learned each other's language with some but not much difficulty. Trojans primarily a Thracian-Phrygian people who came into contact with Greeks.
It needs to be remembered that Ilios (Troy) was a commercial crossroads at the mouth of the Hellespont, so all sorts of people passed through or settled there. Likely Aeolian Hellenes had made their way there and it's not impossible they were among the ruling class. But Hittite, since Troy sat right on the edge of the vast Hittite Empire, may have been widely spoken; but Luwian was the lingua franca of the Hittite Empire (overtaking Hittite itself) so that may have been all that was needed. Just because Tyrrhenian was not Indo-European does not mean it would not have been spoken and the Tyrsenoi (as the Egyptians called the Tyrrhenians) were known to have dwelt on Limnos. So the inhabitants of Troy likely spoke many languages, like in most seaports, but I'd wager Luwian, Tyrhennian, and Aeolian Greek were predominant.
Trojans were Dardanian, Illyrians and Arvanitas today Albanians. As we know by history after the distribution of Troy Princ Enea took all his people and moved westward and settled in Butrint to their brothers in south Albania. From there they settled in Toscana today Italy.
Ilios means STAR in Albanian and Troj means Land, Translate from Albanian to your language “TROJET TONA” what it means? TYRRHENIAN or Tyrsenoi the greeks call those who aren’t greek! The name of Capital Tirana(Tirhania) comes from Tyrrhenia.
' Timeòs Danaòs et dòna fereutès ' phrase from Virgil from his poem Aedeides , which in english reads I fear the gifts of the Danayans / greeks / . This proves Trjans were not greek . Trojans were a Tracian tribe and spoke thracian, whose alphabet was 'stolen ' by the greeks and has been presented by western phylosophers as greek ! The most ancient european civilization preceeding hellenic was Thracian , who also founded Rome. Many Roman Emporors and military leaders were Thracian, including Constantine the Great . Spartacus / Thracian / was the most famous thracian rebel insurgent against Rome . The 10th roman legion was of thracian warriors and famous for the Roman Judean wars of the 1st Century AD. The most trusted warriors in the army of Alexander of Makedon were thracian warriors . There are beautiful thracian burrial sites with artefacts of very high cultural value and inscriptions . The oldest crafted gold in the world is on display in the archeological museum in Varna, Bulgaria . The Balkan people are proudly descendants of a great civilization well before the arrival of the greeks . Illyrian / Thracian civilization, which possibly influenced ancient Egypt .
That two thousand years time and a huge area that no text refers to all of them but you put them in a blender , well not just the bunch in all but just two by two of them together
In the book: (Forgotten Cultures of World History, page 108) it says that the Pelasgians were the allies of the Trojans and were part of the anti-Greek coalition in the Troy War. Pelasgians = Illyrian = Albania
Latin Latinos ( Trojans) exiled in Italy by the Greeks after Troy fel Thus being enslaved by the etruscans then starting Rome Constantine took rome back to its former home 'Constantinople'
Mycenean culture has Minoan roots...Minoans used Linear A that was found in S Thrace at Perperikon...while Minoan Religion has many common elements with discoveries in Thrace...
Trojanet e kan folur gjuhen e vjeter te Dardaneve te, te cilen gjuhe sot e flasin shqiptaret e Kosoves, e me vone eshte perhapur edhe tek shqiptaret e Shqiperise!
The Trojan language was not Luwian. The Luwian languages spread in the same way as earlier the Hettite, that is from the Middle Anatolia. Troy spoke something older. What they might have spoken I have not any idea. Kaskian? No. Some other Anatolian language perhaps.
Its been a long time since I've read the Illiad, but I think Homer said Troy was colonised by Greeks. In the Illiad the Greeks & Trojans have no problem talking to each other. Artifacts described by Homer, such as the boars' tusk helmet "worn by young gallants" & the silver bowl with four handles, with a small bird on each one leaning towards the wine & water mixing bowl, have been found at Mycenaean sites. Homer also mentions Achilles giving a prize of "rare iron" at Patroclus' funeral games. These things & many others show the author had a thorough knowledge of these times. Homer also mentions Achilles receiving a written message, of "deadly signs", which shows he was literate. I think the Illiad was originally written in Linear B, on papyrus in Mycenaean times. There is another piece of circumstantial evidence that gives some support for this. There is one word that doesn't fit the poetic verse, but the older version of the word in Mycenaean Greek does.
For Homer, the Trojan War was relatively recent - just four hundred years or so in the past. He doubtless had some knowledge of the material culture of that time, and perhaps had seen actual artefacts dedicated in temples.
At the time of the War of Troy, no Greek or Hellenes names were used among the Achaean tribes. At their time the Maya civilization was not called El Salvador or Guatemala, and in the future people will say the French spoke French not the Europeans spoke French...
It was a war between illyro-pellasgians.No greek ore hellen was mentioned in Iliad.Hellenisation of history is a big lie.The comments of greeks here are as always stupid and ridiculous.
Interesting, I'd always assumed that Troy was an Anatolian city related to the Hittites, and that all the commonalities with the Greeks implied in the Iliad were just literary devices. Reality seems a bit more... complex.
Trojans were of Aeolian origin , hittites are further away to central-eastern Anatolia and thus they have nothing to do with that , since they never had any real influence towards western Anatolia, literally western Anatolia was belonging to Greeks , specifically north-west to Aeolians and south-west to Ionians
@@-BlackMamba- The overall region of Troy was populated mostly by Aeolian Greeks from central Greece (mostly Thessaly and the central-northern Aegean islands). But the city of Troy (Ilion) itself had been founded by Dardanos, a mythical king of Arcadia back at the time Arcadians still ruled much of Peloponesus (also showing that Achaeans in Peloponesus had actually come from north of Peloponesus and restricted Arcadians in the central mountain ranges).
@user-ex6nd8dq8w well Arcadians are still Greeks tho , actually they are one of the oldest and 1st Greek tribes in the whole hellenic region , along with , Minoans , Pelasgians and Atlantians(if they existed indeed) I might forgetting 1 more tribe I don't remember it name rn but yeah , altho I think that Aeolians had some control and influence over Triy , but Arcadians might be indeed made the city , bcs they are know for doing some expeditions towards the east and the Aegean islands too
@@llanitedave then you might have a clue in what way tjose two could come in touch or the names of Hector's wife and child his sister or how was Priamus nephew in the Greek camp - army
...from the Greek Mythology: The royal family of Troy traces back to Electra and Zeus. King Tros named the people Trojans and the country Troas, after himself. Poseidon and Apollo built the walls and fortifications around Troy. A generation before the Trojan War, Heracles captured Troy and killed Laomedon and his sons, except for the young Priam. Priam later became king. During his reign, the Mycenaean Greeks invaded and occupied Troy. The Trojan and Mycenaean civilizations were destroyed. The Trojans Aeneas, Brutus and Elymus escaped and became the founders of Alva Longa (near Rome), Britain, and Elymus, a country in Sicily.
😂 what? According to modern language Pelasgian was not even Indo European while Illyrian is. Watch this channel's video on the Pelasgians. Nothing to do with illyrian or Albanian
The Trojans were a greek population who spoke greek like all other greek city states.Watching this video I feel a little suspicious, trying to say that it wasn't a greek city. I saw in one of the comments that an Albanian was saying that the illyrians were Albanian....what a joke!!!! Anybody, can go on TH-cam nowadays and put their B/S on.
Trojans and Achaeans were Greeks. Trojan war was a civil war. Common names, common language, common way of life, common culture. Sure common nation. Pelasgians were Greeks too.
I would absolutely love to learn about the HISTORY of Troy and the Trojans. But the very first thing that must be understood when discussing ancient, medieval, or scriptural "histories" is that the term "history" itself was not always understood as we now understand it; the works of Homer (who was not EVEN a historian, but an epic poet, a bard if you will, an entertainer), Herodotus, Josephus and the like should absolutely NOT be taken at face value. The fact that an ancient city was found pretty much exactly where he said only proves the people of his time knew of a city (that had been rebuilt by then, and was rebuilt at least once or even twice aftwerwards), that for the purpose of his story, would fit the bill, and might have previously been associated with this story. Maybe the story was enirely the work of Homer's i.agination, and he tailored it for this ancient city, or maybe the story predated him, and he simply paired it with a city that fit. Who really knows? "Homer said" doesn't count for shit in a historical or archeological context, except to provide clues. Even if it is determined beyond any doubt that the archeological site now called Troy is indeed the same city as Homer's Troy, how can we possibly know if and to what degree any of this story is his own fabrication and what he merely relayed?
Have you heard about Dardania in Illyria (Albanian ancestors). the founder of Troy was Dardanus and the city was called Ilion= Our star and Troy=Our land. Try it maybe you will find something
Have you ever heard the ΙΛΙΑΔΑ ΑΝΔ ΟΔΥΣΣΕΙΑ;;; These are epic poets of Homer writting in Greek langage about 3.800 years ago. And in that epic poetry during the war Greeks and Troians speak each other without translation. Do not be so irrelevant and naive asking stupid questions please ,it is borring!!!
There was no Greek language at the time. Letters in Greek alphabet are copied from so called Cyrillic ,or Serbian today. Letters they could not pronounce ,were replaced but the numbers which belong to each letter remained. Where would Greeks get the numbers from ?
Recently, we have concluded so far that Troy is not necessarily "Troy", that is, there is less proven evidence that what we thought was the site of "Troy" in the Iliad may not have been. Then, there is the problem of the language. If we don't have the site, where there could be inscriptions, then what was the Trojan language really? ;)
@Thebattler86 they did after all they were Aeolians idiot , and also in Ancient Greece there were more than 1 kind greek languages it's country since its Place had its own DIALECT , just later on Athens gained huge Influence and that's how Attic Greeks expanded as a language and became more global and layer known as "Koine greek" but this doesn't mean that it was the only greek language it was just the most "popular" dialect bcs of their Influence, in the same way that English are the global language right now
My gut feelings is a Luwic language with a substratum of the non Indoeuropean language spoken in the early Bronze Age in that region. But is without doing more detailed research, just based on reading general (and often older) books about the Bronze Age in the Near East, Anatolia, some Online sources and so on, Museum visits, etc. and not from actively hunting down papers about the topic.
The Lowic language is a derivative of Hittite one. Before Hittite was Sumerian. The Illyrian Dardanian and Hellenic languages are Successors of Hittite so Anatolian languages are base for Indo-European languages
The Greek mythology is probably right. Troy was found by Dardanos so we need to look to the Dardanians in the Balkans which migrated and found Troy. There’s also evidence that the Phrygians also migrated from the Balkans to Asia minor where in the Balkans they were called the Bryges. there’s clearly a Balkan migration towards Troy. So the Troyan’s probably spoke a version of Greek , Tracian or Illyrian. Remember, all of the Agean Balkanik people where Pelasgians. Genetics has proven that Balkanik people have a genetic continuation of at least 4,000 BC. Obviously not every single individual but generally speaking the average Greek, Albanian or Northern Macedonian has pre-historic ancestry within the Balkans.
@@Thebattler86 At least he was getting a meal, in comparison to others who don't eat at all and make irony on the internet, as their brains are almost gone!
Paris i Boris = boretc = wrestler in old Thraco- Bulgarian...Frigians are brigi= Thracian...! Luvians=Ludian= Ludi- people in Thracians..ans so and so.. /read Pavel Serafimov Sparotok/
@@tilesremapaashtu si e pershkruajen autoret leshte nuk perputhet me relieving gjeografik te asaj Trojen qe na qenka ne Turqine e sotme ,genjeshtret e historiane te 2 shekujve te fundit duke I hedhur balte te vertete Trojane
They spoke Albanian! Troj in Albanian means land, translate from Albanian to your language “TROJET TONA” what means? ENEA who left Troy and founded Latinium in Alba Longa today Rome, how they called themselves?! “POPOLI ALBANI” the cities founded by ENEA in Alba Longa: TUSCULUM-today Tosk Albanians, LABICUM- today Lab Albanians, CAMERIUM - today Cam Albanians, GEGANIA - today Geg Albanians. We still have the same names.
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No Turk has yet appeared to say that they spoke Turkish and that the Trojans were Turks ?? 😂
one appeared after you said this lol we sure have a lot of albanians claiming similar fantasies
That's considered a crazy conspiracy theory even in Turkey. We don't claim those people
@@wankawanka3053dont forget north macedonians
@@ninototo1 if you mean armagedonian
@@k.umquat8604"conspiracy theory"?? Why would it be "conspiracy "???
All really interesting hypotheses. I often thought of Troy as a very cosmopolitan city, perhaps with a Luwian-speaking majority but with a ruling family of Mycenaean Greek descent. Therefore my guess would be that it's a combination of Mycenaean Greek and Luwian, but I'm certainly not an expert on this subject. Great video, the language trees were very helpful!
Luwians are one of the pre-Greek tribe who with years became Greeks. The other tribes was Minoans, Pelasgians and the majority the very first Indo-European tribes who the who Hellenic identity was built by their culture. Something similar to ancient Italian tribes before Romans
the progenitor of the royal trojan house was Dardanos, a refugee from the peloponnese, to be precise from Arcadia. Hence, the "Greek" connection to the Troad region. There were Greek settlements along the Anatolian coastline.
I said the same thing, above, and got no likes. Is it because I'm Canadian?
@@gregorynixon2945 Come on, stop complaining. I gave you a like right now only because you are Canadian.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Wilusa was a Luwian speaking city, at least the ruling elite. Now, if the common people were luwian speakers, and the ruling elite spoke mycenaean greek, that would be quite interesting, and not so far from reality.
The ruling elite spoke HITTITE LANGUAGE 😊
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Nah, they spoke irish
@@mercianthane2503 the problem is that Ireland didn't exist then
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NO! For real? :O
@@mercianthane2503 yes and all of europe did exist
That Homer implies there was no difficulty for the Greeks to speak with the trojans, b and yet he makes the point that when the local Trojan allies showed up, there was a cacophony of languages should be taken seriously.
Graikos don’t understand Trojans nor Homer. They destroyed themself Hellenic roots and Homer language.
Only Arvanitas people understand Homer and Trojans but Greece government punish them if they talk. Politic scrutiny
Because the greeks were not greeks.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vwhat a joke. I am Greek true descendant of the Homeric heroes, i have red both the Iliad and Odyssey as a child reading it in its ancient (greek) language. Arvanites are ethnically Greeks once bilingual, not a single one of them is self indetify as a non Greek. Never has been a law forbidding them to speak arvanitika nor has been any law, political or social movement that has oppressed them. If you do not believe me, ask them yourself, stop lying and badmouthing my homeland.
Why?
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The Trojans were Aeolian Greeks and consequently they spoke the Aeolian Greek dialect. According to Mythology, after the fall of Troy, Trojans erected the city of Rome (Roma in Latin which in Aeolian Greek means "power". Taking into consideration that the Ancient Greeks considered Latin as a distorted Aeolian dialect, confirms their Greek origin!
@@yannislinaris4091 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah sure hahahahahaha.
@@ginaibisi777 yiannis says the truth!
It indicates a possible Greek connection for Rome. It doesn't PROVE anything at all, definitely not that Rome was of Greek origin, and it says nothing at all about Troy.
@@gastrofileaccording to Homer, in "Iliad", the Greeks and the Trojans spoke the same language and believed in the same Gods (the Greek gods of Olympus)!
@@gastrofile you r very clever lol
Rome was built from Greek tribes
Being a trading city.
Multiple languages would be needed.
Who were the traders? Should be ship owners well off in arms
@@nezperce2767 Phoenicians were leaders in trade
@@bodnica so? Traders normally through transactions make money buying and selling things not inventing 27 different theories on what was going on at that part of Mediterranean as we don't have much on them about the text of Greeks on them
This is why greek language became the spoken language in Anatolia, even though Anatolians are not greek
"a trading city"
All cities were trading cities.
Mycenaean Greek. The Troyan war was a civil war. The importan thing is that Troy and Frygia in Asia Minor were establised and colonised in prehistory form people from northen Greece where the Greek Macedonia is, and only Greek and their name in macedonia was Brygia, the people were called Bryges, the B changed to F according to the evolution of the language. They were GREEKS with THRACIAN origin. Sources: Herodotous and the Greek born in Cicely Diodorous the Cecillian. Diodorous at his time 1st century BC also wrote that the Greek toponyms in Troy and in Crete with the Minoan civilization were identical which could mean a lot about the connection between them.
or maybe greek ethnogenesis happened in what is now pontus and from there they passed to mainland greece through macedonia
@@polha4966 No, the Brygians or Frygians went to Asia Minor from the Greek macedonia by boats, looking for gold..they had their information. In the Greek Macedonia there was a lot of gold and still there is today. They wanted more, they wanted to rule... they wanted everything..... You have heard the story about king MIDAS (he was Frygian) who everything he touched, it became Gold, they found a lot of gold in Frygia, thats why they established Troy, bacause if you don't have a sea port to carry the gold where you want, there is no result......no civiliazation, no city states, no army, no defence, nothing, you are in danger.....Pontus does not belong in this story as far as i know. Before the Brygians or Frygians who if i remember well is one of the 10 Pelasgian tribes, which were Proto Greeks not Pre Greeks...Another Pelasgian tribe Called MINYES they went to Colhis, Georgia in the Black Sea today, this group of people is Known as the JASON AND ARGONAUTES, beacause in Colhis they had discovered a way to extract gold from the rivers using a sheep skin but it had a unick man performed trasformation in order to extract Gold . The strange thing is that they found in Colhis a Greek king, called AITIS they comunicated in this pelasgian early Greek, there was no knowledge in the so called Greece at that time that there were a few Greeks and a Greek king in Colhis...Eventually the stole one of those sheep skins and the daugter of the king Aitis, and came back to Greece..
@@polha4966not really, proto-greek is widely thought to have evolved at the mountanous region between modern day epirus and western macedonia around 2000 BC and this makes those regions the best contenders as the place where the greek ethnogenesis ocurred
@@deniztark6242 look turk proto greek was evolved in caucasus as all european languages did. In an era you turks did not even exist as a nation. It s ridiculous that in all greek related videos there s a turk commenting writting unihostorical nonsenses. From the steppes north and south of caucasus the greeks passed through modern day romania to greece.
@@g70fulproto greek started as all european languages in the area north and south and around caucasus. Thus the proto greeks passed from caucasus to pontus and from there to greece where they first arrived in thrace and macedonia. Also pelasgians were not proto greeks they were pre greeks. The pelasgians did not spoke an indoeuropean language. Some of pelasgian words exist still in greek and have no indoeuropean root words such as thalassa, olynthos, zakynthos etc... minoans too were not greeks that s why we cant decipher their language. The ancient greeks were calling minoans as eteocretes aka pure cretans aka non greeks
Homer, a Greek, writes in Iliad that half of the Greek Gods take the side of the Trojans who bear Greek names and still some debate if they were Greeks and what language they were talking....Oh God(s)!
A lot of the civilizations in the Near East borrowed from each other pantheons, so that is not a good indication
@@moderatecanuck Keeping the same name? Having exact the same 12 main Gods? Or just those 6 gods that helped the Trojans? Well if you can be more specific about who they were, their names (In Trojan since they did not speak Greek...) and their attributes (or powers) we would like to hear it cause it seems you deny the fact that a Greek speaks about Greek Gods refering to them with their Greek names but "donors" them as helpers to a foreign power which does not make any sense. Homer is specific about Greek gods using their Greek names. Or else he should had used the name Trojans use for those partuicular gods. Or at least make the distinction of both their names in Greek and in Trojan language.
The Ancient Greeks believed that foreigners worshiped the same gods as them. They identified the chief deity worshiped by foreigners with Zeus, and the war god with Ares ect..
@@jokester3076 So Greeks believed that all foreigners no matter who they are, easterners or westerners worshipped the same gods as themselves. What are the ancient sources for this claim, it would be interesting for us to hear where it is found written.
@@jokester3076 That's a wild generalization, perhaps support it with some actual sources?
This is easily one of the top 5 classical BC history channels. We gotta get this dude some subs and slay ignorance!
Maybe the Trojans spoke a language related to Etruscan.
@@vertmicko4763 they spoke many languages from English till, Chinese and Africans
The Trojans were a mixture of Hatti and Luwi, but were predominantly Hatti. The Hatti language was a non-Indo-European agglutinative language spoken by the Hattians. In other words, they were not Greeks or Albanians. Research who used agglutinative languages (Sumerians, Etruscans, etc.)..
Well trojans were greeks , and so were achaeans too , this war was literally a civil war pretty much (like almost any war in the greek realm for example Athens vs sparta) which its believed to be mostly for the Influence and the trade in the whole Agean and black sea , since Trojans were growing rapidly as a power , while achaeans were already a power
@@-BlackMamba- Trojans were most certainly not Greeks.
@Thebattler86 they were it's origin is coming Arkadians , and at their time the whole area already also under Aeolians control (both of em are greek tribes) so it's either one of these 2 , also they were talking Greek , they were believing in Greek gods , and their culture was the same with Greeks and their lifestyle too which was Trade through sea , and overall close to the sea as people also their building/architecture type was greek and specifically it was aeolic I think , at any case way too many similarities with Greeks dont u think so ? All these facts alone give way more chances for Trojans to be Greeks rather being something else , and Hettites also saw Trojans as Greeks too
@@Thebattler86η είσαι ανιστοριτος η λες απλά ψέματα
guerra di troia 1200 A .C la lingua *greca* ( tecnica) e nata secoli dopo.
The problem of the Trojan language doesn't exist. Trojans had Greek Religion and Greek Names. They were also Greeks in origin. Trojan war was a civil war, so to say, since they were all Greeks, Invaders and Defenders. The name Héctor means the man who has the power, from the Greek - Trojan 'Εκτωρ = Εχέτωρ. The name Andromachi, the Héctor's wife means the woman who is involved in combat with men, from the Greek - Trojan Ανδρομάχη = Άνδρας+μάχη. Both parties Invaders and Defenders had the same Gods, thus they had the same Religion. Trojans were speaking Greek because they were Greeks.
Exactly
Luwians used cuneiform and hieroglyph to write, I'm not aware of the Greeks using either one. It's a Greek story, not a Luwian, they used Greek names. Luwian religion was influenced by other cultures living around them.
ju të gjithë mund të pretendoni atë që dëshironi, por e vërteta është krejt ndryshe. fjala trojan është fjalë shqipe. ne sot paguajmë taksën e trojes, dhe Troja e vërtetë është në Shqipëri, në qytetin e Lezhës. E vërteta vonon por nuk harrohet kurrë...
Especially in 3600 BCE, hahaha.
@@maciejkulczycki3882 it was Pelasgian=Greek even before 3600BCE, of course!
The Trojan war was mentioned by Homer as AGreek civil war.
They talked They all talked The same language ,Greek, worshipped the same gods have the same culture so as Homer says and all the above indicate all those involved in this Cival war were Greeks.
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Who was Homer? Greek ?
@@viktorbaraga4514 εγγονός του Οδυσσέα
Perhaps Troy were speaking Thracian or Phrygian language.
Well, as a historian i must say the mistake that contemporary translators did for Odyssey and Iliad:
Homer never said that Greeks faught against Trojans.
He wrote that Achaeans faught against Trojans who spoke the same Greek language .
Achaeans are one of the 4 main Greek tribes.
Ioneans were also one of the 4 main
Greek tribes
Dorians (spartans, macedonians, epirotans) and Aeoleans are the other 2.
Homer was Ionean Greek from Miletos (western Anatolia) next to Troy.
For Homer it was granted that Trojans were Ionean Greeks just like him, worshipping the same Greek gods, with the same Greek names and toponymy:
Priam's paremts were these Greeks:
Laomedon and Leucippe
Priam's kids were these Ionean Greeks:
Hector, Paris (called by Homer as Alexandros also), Cassandra, Helenos, Deiphobos, Laodice, Polyxeni, Polydoros, Polites, Antiphos, Hipponous
Only Greeks have Greek words as their names and toponymies
That's why there is not even one line in all Homer's rhapsodies stating that Trojans faught against Greeks but Achaeans against Trojans
Plato says that the Greek names of the Trojans are constructed by Homer. Most ancient writers call the Trojans ``”Barbarians" and "Frygians". Philostratus says that the spirit of Hektor spoke a barbaric language. Homer says that anyone seeking civil war is a bastard without honor. So are all of his heroes if Trojans were Greeks. When the Kings of all Greece presented themselves as suitors for Helen no Trojan came to claim her… If the Trojan war was a civil war then there is no point to the Homeric Epic.
Trojans were Pelasgians, Pelasgians were no Achaeans and before being assimilated in hundreds of years the Achaeans were no Ionians, Aeolians, Aegeans.
@@Sofia-0001 Pelasgians were the ancestors of the people of Greece in ancient times.
@user-fm8zp9vp4q ma guy if u believe that about the "Civil wars" then u must be really stupid , bcs in ancient Greece almost every war fought was a civil war and the greatest example of them is the Peloponnese war where it was Athens vs Sparta , Trojans were greeks , and specifically of Aeolian origin
@@Sofia-0001wrong , 1st of all pelasgians were Greeks, but Trojans weren't pelasgians , theh were of aoelian origin .
I recently acquired a book, «The Troyan War» (in Spanish). it talks more about the city itself and its history, only occasionally refering to the possible language the Trojans spoke. the most notable mention of this was a seal found near the site, which contains a Hittite inscription, perhaps linking it politically to the Hittites, but not necessarily linguistically
my favorite hypothesis is the one suggesting a non-Indoeuropean language being spoken there
This is what I found when I was trying to learn about the language the Trojans spoke. Everyone was interested in discussing whether Troy ever existed, the various levels of cities at the site, etc. The language? They had no interest in that.
Illyrian, Dardanian and Hellenic languages are Successors of Hittite Language. So for sure Hittite is palaeuropian language
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vτι ναναι
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vHittite was actually one of the oldest attested Indo-European languages, and I've never heard any suggestion of it being ancestral to these other languages. I'm inclined to believe that either you or someone you unfortunately believed pulled that entire statement from a dark, smelly bodily orifice.
Like say homer achaians and Trojan talk same language
Homer language is not like Achaian but like Tsakonian
of Sparta. This language is disappearing by pressure of Graikos or new Greece.
I pay little heed to Homer's writing dealing with mythic memories 400 years later. Homer did not even remember the existence of the Hittite Empire! Homer, if he existed, was a poet, a teller of tales, combining those from all over. In his songs and tales, his heroes are going to have to speak the same language so they can be understood by his audiences, who always seem to have spoken a form of Greek.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v I see you like mythmaking yourself.
Troy and Greeks had same language and culture according to Homer.
@@sarp4919 Homer is not a reliable historical source. He seems entirely unaware that Troy was surrounded on three sides by the vast Hittite Empire. He wrote or sang his epic poems for Greek (Hellenic) speakers and he wanted both sides of the war to have a voice, so he had to portray these 400-year-old warriors as all Greek.
The Trojans were Greek, they spoke Greek, they had the same twelve gods, it's that simple
There is only 1 language in this planet that explains and still uses the word - Troy-
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@@e.h97 exactly, the Greek language,from where all the other Indo-European one's,as the Zionists named them, came from
@@zoezwzaq what does troy mean in greek?
Albanian language hidden gem: Troy- Land
@@daku088 Really? Albanian...? Language known to not have a single naval word of its own orygin...? That Albanian? 🤣😂🤣😂
They had Greek names themselves, they worshiped the same 12 gods of Olympus, and Homer never insinuated that Trojans and Mycenaeans needed translation to understand each other. Verdict: Greeks.
Yea,we know allready: everyone is a greek,even the tîrks.And every feisty greek emits verdicts bueh..
I was always convinced during the war it was some kind of Greek used among the elites. The commoners might have spoken several other more or less local languages of various origins.
Thracian
In Hollywood movies even the Germans speak English.
Since Homer spoke Greek, of course the Trojans will speak Greek.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 exactly.
but even homer admits there was a mix of languages spoken when they gathered the armies.
also it's not even certain homer existed. just stories retold over and over. the common folk most likely would think everybody spoke greek since they didn't see much of any foreigners ever.
@@zarni000 - “Homer” is a convenient name for the author of the Iliad. Whether he (or they, as it may have been more than one writer) existed is irrelevant as some actual person had to do the work of writing the thing down. We might as well call him “Homer”.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 i agreed with you.
There is a theory thracians migrated in north eastern europe and the big slavic entity is indeed Thracian, including the scythians. Thracian / Illyrian tribes took their high civilization, culture, farming , cattle raising, including dog breeding knowledge into eastern Europe, may be as far as Denmark and north western germany . Ancient history taught in western hemisphere needs reviewing . There is hidden or denied evidence of antiquity .
I believe it was a Minoan colony, and after the "invasion?" of the Mycenaeans in Crete, the commercial and cultural contacts of Troy with the Mycenaeans continued for 2 centuries, until the disruption of relations and the Mycenaean invasion. Language Linear A' and later Linear B'. Evidence unfortunately destroyed.
1. TROY in Albanian means THE LAND written as TROJA. You can search in google translate in plural form TROJET.
2. ILLYRIA in Albanian means the NEW STAR written as YLL I RIA
3. EMATHIA in Albanian means THE GREATNESS
4. IYON SEA in Albanian means OUR SEA written as DET I JON. I JON>OUR
5. ALEKSANDER in Albanian has a meaning it means THE LEADER AS A DREAM written as a sentence
AI LEK SI ANDER > ALEKSANDER
Note: These are really interesting coincidences that I wanted to share here. Maybe it really has connection maybe not. But there are really much antic names that are meaningful in Albanian. As a researcher I wanted to show you some random examples.
Not just that bro but thousands more like evropa , azi , afrika America, Mediterranean, sumerijan , brindesi , bukuresht , Ancona Vladimir, emir , dua , siri , elas , ibri , priam , Atlantidha , korfus , Hector, etrusk , Dardanelle, pamir , emir , pashk Tata, nona , dodona , and much more , people who don't know , and can't explain those specially greks and serbs , they laugh let them laugh, will the day who all the word will know that albanian language its the mother of all the language and has his roots everywhere, and the story with acient Greeks is the bigest scamer in history of humanity.
No one invited your small third world country into this discusion. Thats a topic for the great Nations. So be quiet little man.
@Leon-nr6oi Exactly I agree with you. But therefore we Albanians should protect our language as it is a hide gem. And to protect it we should be united in the Ballkans.
Illyruans spoke latin then you ve got written sourses!! Even better do the albanians speak latin??
@@Leon-nr6oi φυσικά γελάμε με τις ηλιθιότητες των κομπλεξικών Αλβανών εθνικιστών
Hittite ritual texts were included also different languages. Scientists discovered new late bronze age languages in these texts as Palaic, Hattic, Luwian and Kalasma. Maybe futures newly found ritual texts could include Trojan Language. While Hittites religious ceremonies were happening vassal states representatives had to be ready there.
Trajans were Frygians, who were a Thracian tribe in Asia-minor. Trojans spoke a thracian language, which is proto bulgarian lanhuage. Indeed there is historical and artefactual evidence that the so called greek alphabet was the Paelasgian / Thracian alphabet and taken by the Danayans / proto greeks when they came from Egypt to the Balkans .
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@@yiannoulakyriakoudis62συμφωνώ 😂😂😂 θα πάθουμε παράκρουση με όλα αυτά που διαβάζουμε στα μηνύματα από όλους αυτούς τους "διακεκριμένους επιστήμονες"
Trojan war was a Greek civil war over economic gains. They spoke the same language, worshipped the same Gods and had the same culture. Please read the Iliad and you will understand. The rest is just a joke for people with minimum knowledge of history or paid trolls
Few things to understand discussing the topic. Now we are living in time of standartized languages which we're standartized between xviii and xix century. So we have dictionaries, pronunciation guidelines, schools, universities, media, etc.
When we say that German is the only language spoken in Germany we are missing the fact that there are Berlinisch, Bayerisch, Schwäbisch, Sächsisch, Frisian etc. And they are related (all germanic, more than that Low East Germanic) but always quite mutually intelegable. The same situation mostlikely took place in the ancient Aegean and Anatolian region.
When we are talking about old dead languages they either have writting record as Hetite or not as one spoken in Troy. What we can ask ourselves about was it somewhere indoeuropean or rather pre-indoeuropean. And when and If we can make sense of the original language of EEF which was spoken in Anatolia before indoeuropean language we could continue on this topic.
Sumerian is a language written with cuneiform. It is followed by
Hittites and later we start with Illyrian language, Pellasgian and Hellenic. All of them are similar.
But new Greece (Graikos) is different. Eg. they don’t understand Homer language.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v well, sumerian has No known relativ languages. Hettite and illerian and Greek are branches of indoeuropean language family.
Hope you aren't claming a relation between languages based on writing system. Because it is not working like this. E.g. English and Finnish both use latin letters being unrelated at least within the period 9-12k years we can more or less reconstruct. And both started using this letters a bit more than one thausand years ago.
The same hettite cuneaform isn't the same as sumerian. And languages are totaly different.
Dear those Languages you mentioned as Berlinish, Bayerish and cetera are dialects of Germanic languages.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v yep and the Standard Hochdeutsch which is a standartised based, if I remember it correct, on Hanover German. It is the situation in span of few hundred years which we know very good and there are a lot of writing and even sound records. On the other hand what we now call Hettite, Luwian, Lycian, Kalashma etc are languages with corpus in one good novel book spread through a few thausands years. Maybe relation between Hettite and Luwian similar to Berlinisch and Bayerisch where hypothetical Anatolian is "Hochdeutsch". Just as an example i will give you one sentance in Hochdeutsch, Berlinisch and Bayerisch and English.
I had a bread roll for breakfast.
Hochdeutsch: Ich habe ein Brötchen zum Frühstück (gegessen).
Bayerisch: I hoab heid Fria a Semmel gessen
Berlinisch: Ick hab' 'ne Schrippe(Brötchen) zum Frühstück jejessen.
So basically what you can see above are distinctive enough languages if they have any political status. Also Dutch or Dänisch are not much different from Hochdeutsch as German (also Austria and Swiss) local dialects.
When King of Troy Priamos visited Achilles to beg him about taking back the dead body of his son Hector and bare him with honour didn't need translators to communicate and understand each other. They had common language and Gods.
That's epic poetry, not history. Proves absolutely nothing.
@@gregorynixon2945 epic poetry was the cause for Heinrich Schliemann to ecscavate and find Troia.
@@christoskotsias8050 Of course. You have a point? Schliemann did not find what he expected, no matter how hard he tried to pretend he had. In fact he dug down through Troys no one had existed, destroying the later Troys above (including Homer's Troy), going back to about 2000 BCE.
th-cam.com/video/n0V-JUTNf20/w-d-xo.html
@@gregorynixon2945proves everything, but if you are anthellenik you truy to find nonsences to claim the opposite
Very interesting video, well produced and narrated, fine graphics.
First of all Troy is not in Turkey. There were no Turks at this period of time. Troy was a Dardanian city. Dardania was and is what you call today Kosovo. This region was called dardania until the 19th century. The slavs changed the name and keep calling it kosovo. Homer when he wrote The iliriad not iliad, the original name is Iliriad. Iliriad is the region of Dibra north Albania. Homer described in detail northern albania. Lezha is the city that was Troy. Homer describes in detail this region. Troy or troja means property in albanian. Still used today. There were no greeks at this time. This was a civil war that happened in illiricum. Between pellasgian tribes. There were no other languages spoken accept illyrian language. None other language has ever been found at this time except illyrian. Homer wrote in illyrian. Translated in the 6th century to greek and other words were added to the new translation. 28 dardanian kings per homer took property(troy) and build this. Castle on top of an existing castle that has cyclopic stones. The city it self has massive stones that carbon date at least 12000 years. Around 1200 BC earthquake destroyed the city. Alexander the king at that time rebuild the city using smaller stones and in 1160 the Dardanians took over. Google Lezha in albania and you will see the actual Troy. It still stands there. You can see in detail every detail what homer described about his homeland. Stop waisting your inteligence and money going to Turkey. Do you want to see the real Troy? Go to Albania
They were speaking ancient version of Bulgarian language which is a continuation of the language of the Thracians.
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@@yiannoulakyriakoudis62 Ha ha ha, obviously you don't read ancient Greeks authors, bravo! Such an ignorance?
did Asparuh spoke the same language like Thracians? I do not think so.
@@zeljkoljiljak7256 Beforehand we can speak about the official treaty between the emperor Zenon and the Bulgarian king Budan in year 481-482 where he officially gives to Bulgarians the fortress Singidunum which in the roman historical documents and sources becomes Alba Bulgarica or the White Town of Bulgarians aka Belgrade! Secondly we can speak of Panonia or Northern Italy were in 500-550 Bulgarians created the Comitatis Bulgariensis between Milano, Torino and Novara, have you ever heard of it? Finally we can speak of the Thracian dynasty of Crimea with names as Sparotok and if you are linguist you can get the point? It is up to you on which side you want to be?
Troy spoke Albanian pelasgus. The fact is because all the names explain in Albanian language only.
Albanians might speak Chinese or chinese swahili ( in accordance to the langs and names you mix in a blender in all kind of unbelievably different times), most probably, in accordance to what you say in order to achieve reaching your preposterous conclusion. get a book
No they do not lmaooo. Not at all
@@Notme17111 albanian in 1450 BC? There are albanians mentioned at gavgamila- That's in the MIDDLE EAST!!- on the right flank of Darius against Alex 1100 years later FOR THE FIRST TIME! !!GET A BOOK WITH NOT JUST PICTURES but the marks ( latin alphabet ) you ve adopted after 1805AD ( first ordered by the french albanian dictionary written by a foreigner to you in a foreign lang to yours out of what??? No written alphabet!!! Impressive
Οι Αιολείς και οι Αρκάδες αναφέρονται σαν οι πρώτοι Πελασγοί ! Ο όρος Αλβανός που κολλάει με την Τροία !?
@@user-if6yg7zy5h in order too reach a certain conclusion, one has to put xena along with hercules and hollywood get satisfied
Pelasgian = Slavic people !
For the first tribes that made civilisation we know these:
1.That some of first civilisations had more slaves compared to free people.
2. That around city, some people, 1/3 most of the times were technicians that migrating between cities and passing their art
3. Slaves many times lose easier their cultural heritage, even if they reproduce in captivity
4. Indoeuropeans came as horselords-nomads, not as shiplords, neolithics were shiplords
These four argument compicating genetics and culture if they were true by the neolithic time
Trojan language is Albania.
Laocoon has a different opinion. Do you recognize the name?
@@nezperce2767Only Allbanians yous Trojet.
See Google Troja it Atlantis.
GaddsThron.
Did you suffer a brain injury as a child?
Andromeda galaxy is albanian to hahahaha
@@nickd6388 then you may tell us what does her name mean.
Το sum up :
1) Homer and all other Epics mention Troy and Troyans as bearing Greek names only, having Greek gods, Greek customs even Greek nick-names and distinguish them explicitly from their non-Greek allies coming from the interior. Mythology also mentions that Troy was founded by Arcadian Greeks.
2) Hittites referring to Wilusa (i.e. Ilion, the city of Troy) mention 2 of its leaders Alaksandu (which sounds very much the Greek name of Alexander) and Piyama-radu (which sounds very much like the Greek name Priamos), both names mentioned in the Epics (Alexander was the birth name of Paris, Paris was his nick name, Priamos was the nickname, his birthname was Podarkes).
3) Archaeology unearthed a city that looked like a Mycenaean citadel.
and of course....
4) Other than occasional trade items coming from the East as one would expect and which were a small minority of the local Greek stuff found in there, nothing non-Greek was found linked with the city of Ilion. Hittites themselves never claimed to have established there. Lydians were not yet there in western Minor Asia (e.g. Homer does not even refer to them - their ancestors Luwians were still in eastern Minor Asia).
Modern "specialists": Troy was Hittite!!!! No!!! It was Luwian!!!!!
LOL!
Today every country speak English but they are not all English people. Hellenic culture was dominant at that time.
The new invented Greece language (Graikos) don’t understand Hellenic or Homeric language.
What very few people know, but proven by clear historical sources, is the fact that the famous ancient city, which Homer talks about in the Iliad, is a Thracian city. The Thracians were the primordial people in Europe, over 100 tribes that Herodotus writes about. Primordial compared to the Greeks who appear later.
Hittites did not exist. It's Jewish myth. The guy in this channel is lost. When all these bananas realize how old and how magnificent ancient Greece was they will stop being specialists about Batman and DC comics
the name priamos has luwian origin
the names troy and ilion themselves are of anatolian origin.
lydians, an anatolian people were also culturally and religiously influenced by greeks so these points that you made won't prove that they were greek.
the architecture is partly greek and partly anatolian and why are you basing your claim on trojan religion on homer?
Their names were Greek, their nobles wanted to marry each other, their gods were the same but the Trojans themselves must have been Chinese...
The Trojans were Welsh. Look up the history of Gildas and Brutus of Troy. Also the old name for London was Trinovantum, meaning "New Troy".
@@Thebattler86
it was founded by the exiled Trojan Brutos, who called it Troia Nova ("New Troy"), which was gradually corrupted to Trinovantum. So he went to London not visa versa.. open a book
@@electrolina1 What the hell do you mean? I always said Brutus went to London and not the other way around what drugs are you on?
Well, you could say that if there is a written source of their names and gods written in some other language but still with Greek names and gods. But since for now there is only a Greek written source not written even near to the time of Trojan war, those arguments you provide are simply ignorant and weak... And argument that nobles wanted to marry each others as argument that they had to be the same ethnic origin...? Dude, that's not argument any adult person should ever consider, not even spoke loudly... It's beyond childish...
Trojan were Dardanians. Dardanians spoke albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱. Troja means simply land, earth in albanian language
How absurd, the trojans, like the hittites came from the caucuses and like them spoke uraltaic turkic, Thrace>Trachia>Turchia, escaping prince Turcus returned to his native Sweden and was received by King Gyfyr, whom referred to him as the Turkish son of Odin and gave up his throne at once.
Ref:prof. Swen Lagerbring
Ref:Swen Sturlisson
Trojans where the Romans called them later,Dardani di Iliri, they were Dardanian of the Illyrians , DNA results today still the same people exist in Kosovo and Albania and Macedonia, Montenegro and Dalmatia Today they’re called Albanians in the past they were in different provinces of ancient Illyria the only way to get the truth in history is with local people DNA test that will give you the honest truth
Nope was hitite mix mittani turco mongol indo iranic etruscan grouop frigians later scityans was celto iberyan gypsy khazar and hispanic etruscan frigians with long heats în head forme of rome read history of hitite wich was nagas
Etruscan tongue sanskrit phonecians semit aramaic dialect wroten from right to left semit etrusci hitite frigians gopekly tepe all have heats în head scityans
Greek îs they brothers of hitite mittani indo greek greco bactryan and scityans ateas grouop bosforan
@@SorinVertigo-dn8rjyou left no one without mentioning
Get a book with mo pictures just words
Trojans are Tracian. Even History tv tels that the last Trojan Eney went to nowaday Italy after the Trojan war ans that he is ancestor of Romul and Rem that created Rome. It was told that Romans were obsessed by Tracian culture and religion.
They're speaking greek because they where greek city state like Mycynes and Crete, Phtia and Achaia etc. Homer write it in the Illiad.
ALL who were speaking greek were Greeks and those who were not speaking greek were Barbarians (ie: not understandable). Homer, about the meetings of Acheans & Trojans describes EVERYTHING (ie: people present, their ancestors, the presents given etc) but no translators, because there weren't any! Trojians and Achaeans were both speaking greek. They also had the same gods, a key fact for the ancient greek nation.
Archaeological finds show strong relations to mainland and island Greece; the same culture (one stamp from the East show commercial affairs).
So, Trojans were Greeks, Homer describes the 1st greek civil war!
Trojans were Phrygians who migrated eastward from the Balkans into Asia Minor. They had the same origin as the Greeks who migrated southward from what is now Epirus and Macedonia.
TROJA, DODONA, BULIS, BUTRINT, SHKODRA, DURRES, RAGUZA,RISAN, ETRUSKET, VICIANUM, NAISSUS, DARDANIA,DALMATIA, SPLIT, PULA , KÄRNTEN, ULPIANA, KONSTANDINOPOJA, TRIERI, PELASGIAN ILLYRIAN ALBANIAN SHQIPËTARË, 🇦🇱🇭🇷🇽🇰
ahahahahaha
Po kari po edhe universi gjithe gjithesia esht shqiptare.
@@Notme17111te mbifte ne balle...ateher pse sot tokes dhe prones i themi trojet tona?pse edhe ne ditet e sotme paguan taksen e trojes?cop kari me dy sy
Albanian propagande
Usually, the simplest answeri s the right one.
The kingdoms in the area were speaking some form of Greek language.... the most Trojan names are Greek ( Πρίαμος, Αλέξανδρος(Πάρις), Ανδρομάχη, Αστυάναξ etc.).....
Humble opinion.....Paris and Helen didn't need translators.... 🙂
Trojans was Pelasgian Porto-Greek tribes!Same language and same Gods.
Same gods (lower case g bro - upper case G has only one and true God, you should know that)? Muslim Arab will say for One who we call God the Father, Allah. Same Arab would even say that that is the same God as his one. But if you know just a little bit of what is written in quran, you have to know that who they callibg God is nothing near to actuall God Almighty... Bad argument dude...
The pre-Indo-European language in Troy was a Tyrsenian language. Although the Etruscans are nowadays considered a locally developed culture on the Italian Peninsula, this is also evidenced by genetic studies showing Y-DNA haplogroup subclades, primarily R1b, J2b, and G2a. Examining the paternal DNA of the samples from these studies reveals a predominantly Indo-European ancestry, connected with an Urnfield Culture (Indo-European) ancestry of the Etruscans. Additionally, most Northwestern Anatolians and people from nearby islands are primarily under J2a, J1, and G2a subclades in this region, as seen in the J2a heatmap.
Another point to consider is that ancient Greek chroniclers attributed a Anatolian origin to the Etruscans. According to Herodotus, they came from the region of Lydia. Other Greek chroniclers regarded the Etruscans as Pelasgians originating from the Aegean. Since we can exclude, based on genetics, an Anatolian or Aegean origin for the native majority population, it is more likely that their language was introduced by a Pelasgian elite from the Aegean in the final phase of the Villanovan Culture. It is known that these so-called Pelasgians migrated as far as Canaan (Philistines) and Egypt (Peleset), significantly intermixing with the predominantly Semitic population and assimilating into it, yet retaining their identity.
Considering that the Etruscans developed their own alphabet and adopted Mediterranean architecture, all this influence and rapid cultural development must have come from somewhere. The eastern influences came mainly during the early years of the Etruscan civilization, with the Etruscans adopting “orientalizing” artistic styles and other cultural influences (particularly from the Greeks), which might have been the basis for the “Asia Minor hypothesis” of later ancient authors.
The main support for a Pelasgian origin of the Etruscan language is the Lemnos Stele. The only solution to the question of the origin of the Etruscan language could possibly be provided by the graves of early Etruscan aristocrats and their DNA. If these graves show a predominantly J2a, J1, and G2a presence with subclades from the Aegean, we might be on the right track. Thus, the question of the Trojan language, which was previously a Tyrsenian language replaced by Luwian, would also be resolved. In its final stage, it received a strong Mycenaean influence through the Mycenaean Greek elite who controlled the city of Wilusa.
You make good points for a minority position. The Tyrhennians as the Hellenes called them or the Tarsenoi as they were also known apparently dwelt on Lemnos at the time of Homer's Trojan War. They were surely present at nearby Troy, even if they weren't a majority. Some woman whose name I can't recall wrote a book defending this position.
@@gregorynixon2945Bro no one can explain me that Etruscan is native to nowadays Italy. It’s possible for sure, like in the case of the Basque people where most of them are under R1b-DF27 (Celto-Iberian) subclades, meanwhile they still speaking a Paleo-European Language brought by long lost G2a EEF or I2 WHG populations, no one knows. But why Ancient people telling us that they are from the East and how they established their own Alphabet and Mediterranean influenced Architecture in a short time.
@@pseudokanax2957 I got "bro'd".😁
Eneas when arrived in Latium was received so well by the King. Even the daughter of the Latium King was promised to another man, the king gave his daughter to Eneas. Makes sense that later Augustus and Julius Cesar and other Roman emperors called themselves Dardanoi. Thracian Dardanoi. If Eneas was Greek the Roman Emperors considered themselves Greek, not Dardanoi. Read P.N.Ovidius. Romans documented that Eneas brought to Latium the Greek Pantheon, even he was Dardanoi took with him the Greek Pantheon.
The Trojan war is not about Greeks and Trojans, only the westerns translate it in that way. The Greeks as my self we learnrd the Iliad as the Homer writing and describe the war between Acheans and Trojan's. The term Greek arive from hero Grekos (old man) and this is the roman exonim for the Hellenes in historical period. The ethnotic term Hellas mentioned in Iliad as a city area in Thessaly who was part of kingdom of Achilles.
Almost certainly Troy was attacked by the Peoples of the Sea, which may have included Achaeans. Likely Troy fell after Mycenae and Tiryns, so the Achaeans could have become homeless by that time and turned into raiders.
The Trojan war is documented by both Greeks and Welsh.
@@gregorynixon2945According Herodotus Achaeans were Greeks and all who participated in Trojan war were Greeks according Homerus.
Homerus called Greeks " Achaeans" as their ancestor Acheus settled in Achaea ( Pelloponisos) with his brother Pelasgus at 5th millebium
Greek part there its just myth
@@BenSna-vo4wd Trojan war wasnt a myth- historically Greeks expanded to M Asia Pontos Bosporus( established Byzantio later Konstanpolis) and all these names existed in writing documents by Greek authors 3000 yrs before
Please study Pelasgian languages as for a fact during that period of time was the spoken one.
Of course, they were not Turks, as these originated in Northern Central Asia, where they share linguistical traits with Mongolian people. In those days, Asia Minor was more influenced by Indo-European groups.
Alaksandu is definitely a Greek Name
Not sure what the Luvian equivalent would be
It's not inconceivable that the Hellenes borrowed the name from the Hittites.
But he could still have had a Greek name influenced by Mycenean contacts, eventhough his mother tongue and the main language of Troy was Luwian or something else
@@gregorynixon2945 Yes it is just that - inconceivable
Phrygian counterpart would have been Alexandarosh.
Great video and work like always!
Well the city of Ilios also known as Troja was a thracian city. That probably would tell a lot about the language they spoke.
In Iliad there is plenty of dialogues in Greek. Priam on his knees spoke to Achilles to release the body of his dead son Hector.. Common Gods and common languange speak loud. Probably Trojans also spoke Asian languanges.
What's the name of Hector's wife and kid? His medium sister's ? Who 's Priamus nephew in Greek Army? When Trojans went to Sparta ( Paris met Helen) negotiations were on what dictionaries where used. You got this destruction of Crete when Thyra's volcano erupted while you've got quite a few cretan ships and army gathered and paid on their way to Ilion. Which is first in time. (ruined economy) Gathering money and sending ship and army into an expensive war? Croesus and Solon had a discussion I do believe we know the circumstances did they understand each other? Then you ve got Timaios by Plato
Phrygian a sister language to Greek back then. They could have learned each other's language with some but not much difficulty. Trojans primarily a Thracian-Phrygian people who came into contact with Greeks.
@@petergeorge3894 there is more in it
It needs to be remembered that Ilios (Troy) was a commercial crossroads at the mouth of the Hellespont, so all sorts of people passed through or settled there. Likely Aeolian Hellenes had made their way there and it's not impossible they were among the ruling class. But Hittite, since Troy sat right on the edge of the vast Hittite Empire, may have been widely spoken; but Luwian was the lingua franca of the Hittite Empire (overtaking Hittite itself) so that may have been all that was needed. Just because Tyrrhenian was not Indo-European does not mean it would not have been spoken and the Tyrsenoi (as the Egyptians called the Tyrrhenians) were known to have dwelt on Limnos. So the inhabitants of Troy likely spoke many languages, like in most seaports, but I'd wager Luwian, Tyrhennian, and Aeolian Greek were predominant.
Trojans were Dardanian, Illyrians and Arvanitas today Albanians. As we know by history after the distribution of Troy Princ Enea took all his people and moved westward and settled in Butrint to their brothers in south Albania. From
there they settled in Toscana today Italy.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v Too funny.
@@user-gs2wb2lp1v🤣🤣🤣🤣🚍🏥
@@user-gs2wb2lp1vthe first Arvanitas came in Greece after 1100AD and albanians are not Illyrians 😂😂😂😂😂
Ilios means STAR in Albanian and Troj means Land, Translate from Albanian to your language “TROJET TONA” what it means? TYRRHENIAN or Tyrsenoi the greeks call those who aren’t greek! The name of Capital Tirana(Tirhania) comes from Tyrrhenia.
' Timeòs Danaòs et dòna fereutès ' phrase from Virgil from his poem Aedeides , which in english reads I fear the gifts of the Danayans / greeks / . This proves Trjans were not greek . Trojans were a Tracian tribe and spoke thracian, whose alphabet was 'stolen ' by the greeks and has been presented by western phylosophers as greek ! The most ancient european civilization preceeding hellenic was Thracian , who also founded Rome. Many Roman Emporors and military leaders were Thracian, including Constantine the Great . Spartacus / Thracian / was the most famous thracian rebel insurgent against Rome . The 10th roman legion was of thracian warriors and famous for the Roman Judean wars of the 1st Century AD. The most trusted warriors in the army of Alexander of Makedon were thracian warriors . There are beautiful thracian burrial sites with artefacts of very high cultural value and inscriptions . The oldest crafted gold in the world is on display in the archeological museum in Varna, Bulgaria . The Balkan people are proudly descendants of a great civilization well before the arrival of the greeks . Illyrian / Thracian civilization, which possibly influenced ancient Egypt .
I think the Luwian hypothesis is most probable.
We don't know more than omerous the other is opinions
Only scripture pound in Troy is an official seal and it is in Luwi
Depends on the timeline...The Phrygian hypothesis as being geographically related seems propable too...
Trojan from Illyrians Albanians Alexander great 🦾♥️
That two thousand years time and a huge area that no text refers to all of them but you put them in a blender , well not just the bunch in all but just two by two of them together
Malaka😂😂😂😂 propaganda
@@yiannoulakyriakoudis62 greek word 400BC!!!
In the book: (Forgotten Cultures of World History, page 108) it says that the Pelasgians were the allies of the Trojans and were part of the anti-Greek coalition in the Troy War. Pelasgians = Illyrian = Albania
the thrasian were long before greek come to the balkans,greeks adopted there culture, Troy was part of Thrasian
Such an interesting topic. Now I kinda want to play with Troy in total war. Still trying my first campaign with Achilles tho :(
Latin
Latinos ( Trojans) exiled in Italy by the Greeks after Troy fel
Thus being enslaved by the etruscans then starting Rome
Constantine took rome back to its former home 'Constantinople'
Mycenean culture has Minoan roots...Minoans used Linear A that was found in S Thrace at Perperikon...while Minoan Religion has many common elements with discoveries in Thrace...
Trojanet e kan folur gjuhen e vjeter te Dardaneve te, te cilen gjuhe sot e flasin shqiptaret e Kosoves, e me vone eshte perhapur edhe tek shqiptaret e Shqiperise!
Μετέφρασε -
Στην κεφάλα σου γίνεται της εκδίδωμένης τα σιδηρούν κυκλειδωμένα.
Ωωωωπα!!!!
Troja in Albanian language it means our land
Clown...
The Trojan language was not Luwian. The Luwian languages spread in the same way as earlier the Hettite, that is from the Middle Anatolia. Troy spoke something older. What they might have spoken I have not any idea. Kaskian? No. Some other Anatolian language perhaps.
Were they not related to the Etruscans and spoke a pre-etruscan language?
Its been a long time since I've read the Illiad, but I think Homer said Troy was colonised by Greeks. In the Illiad the Greeks & Trojans have no problem talking to each other. Artifacts described by Homer, such as the boars' tusk helmet "worn by young gallants" & the silver bowl with four handles, with a small bird on each one leaning towards the wine & water mixing bowl, have been found at Mycenaean sites. Homer also mentions Achilles giving a prize of "rare iron" at Patroclus' funeral games. These things & many others show the author had a thorough knowledge of these times.
Homer also mentions Achilles receiving a written message, of "deadly signs", which shows he was literate. I think the Illiad was originally written in Linear B, on papyrus in Mycenaean times. There is another piece of circumstantial evidence that gives some support for this. There is one word that doesn't fit the poetic verse, but the older version of the word in Mycenaean Greek does.
First,no greek name was on that time.pelasgian yes.
For Homer, the Trojan War was relatively recent - just four hundred years or so in the past. He doubtless had some knowledge of the material culture of that time, and perhaps had seen actual artefacts dedicated in temples.
At the time of the War of Troy, no Greek or Hellenes names were used among the Achaean tribes. At their time the Maya civilization was not called El Salvador or Guatemala, and in the future people will say the French spoke French not the Europeans spoke French...
Greek has nothing to do with the speak of the Throyans.
They used dictionaries in sparta
the trojan names are greek the relegion is greek , the culture is greek , the trojan war is civil war greeks vs greeks
It was a war between illyro-pellasgians.No greek ore hellen was mentioned in Iliad.Hellenisation of history is a big lie.The comments of greeks here are as always stupid and ridiculous.
Troy was established by Greeks. It would be historically illiterate to say that they spoke some unknown Trojan language and not greek.
Interesting, I'd always assumed that Troy was an Anatolian city related to the Hittites, and that all the commonalities with the Greeks implied in the Iliad were just literary devices. Reality seems a bit more... complex.
Trojans were of Aeolian origin , hittites are further away to central-eastern Anatolia and thus they have nothing to do with that , since they never had any real influence towards western Anatolia, literally western Anatolia was belonging to Greeks , specifically north-west to Aeolians and south-west to Ionians
You may be right. The vast Hittite Empire cannot be ignored. Yes, it's complex.
@@-BlackMamba- The overall region of Troy was populated mostly by Aeolian Greeks from central Greece (mostly Thessaly and the central-northern Aegean islands). But the city of Troy (Ilion) itself had been founded by Dardanos, a mythical king of Arcadia back at the time Arcadians still ruled much of Peloponesus (also showing that Achaeans in Peloponesus had actually come from north of Peloponesus and restricted Arcadians in the central mountain ranges).
@user-ex6nd8dq8w well Arcadians are still Greeks tho , actually they are one of the oldest and 1st Greek tribes in the whole hellenic region , along with , Minoans , Pelasgians and Atlantians(if they existed indeed) I might forgetting 1 more tribe I don't remember it name rn but yeah , altho I think that Aeolians had some control and influence over Triy , but Arcadians might be indeed made the city , bcs they are know for doing some expeditions towards the east and the Aegean islands too
@@llanitedave then you might have a clue in what way tjose two could come in touch or the names of Hector's wife and child his sister or how was Priamus nephew in the Greek camp - army
Troyer Ligt in vunderschönen land,das ist Albanien.Lezha❤🎉
Troja Has No Meaning in Turkish or Greek .
Troja Is an Albanian Word It Means Land or ( Territory).
Troja Was In Albania and not in Turkey.
Troja is a loanwords in Albanian via Italian. Not local
Homer said the Trojans spoke Greek, end of debate. I trust the ancient authors far more than I do modern "academics".
Contemporary Slavic languages are related to the ancient Troyan language.
The Trojan language was albanien because they were dardans.
...from the Greek Mythology:
The royal family of Troy traces back to Electra and Zeus.
King Tros named the people Trojans and the country Troas, after himself. Poseidon and Apollo built the walls and fortifications around Troy.
A generation before the Trojan War, Heracles captured Troy and killed Laomedon and his sons, except for the young Priam. Priam later became king. During his reign, the Mycenaean Greeks invaded and occupied Troy. The Trojan and Mycenaean civilizations were destroyed. The Trojans Aeneas, Brutus and Elymus escaped and became the founders of Alva Longa (near Rome), Britain, and Elymus, a country in Sicily.
The Illyrian language which is the Albanian was similar with Pellasgian and Trojan. The name Illyion of Troy is like Albanian. Means Our star
Të-roj means "to live" in Albanian. Note that "j" in Albanian corresponds with "y" in English.
Stop talking nonsense
@@777Lxxx And in Greek Troy means to eat,. You see why your argument is bullshit ?
😂 what? According to modern language Pelasgian was not even Indo European while Illyrian is. Watch this channel's video on the Pelasgians. Nothing to do with illyrian or Albanian
The Trojans were a greek population who spoke greek like all other greek city states.Watching this video I feel a little suspicious, trying to say that it wasn't a greek city. I saw in one of the
comments that an Albanian was saying that the illyrians were Albanian....what a joke!!!! Anybody, can go on TH-cam nowadays and put their B/S on.
Trojans and Achaeans were Greeks. Trojan war was a civil war. Common names, common language, common way of life, common culture. Sure common nation.
Pelasgians were Greeks too.
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I would absolutely love to learn about the HISTORY of Troy and the Trojans. But the very first thing that must be understood when discussing ancient, medieval, or scriptural "histories" is that the term "history" itself was not always understood as we now understand it; the works of Homer (who was not EVEN a historian, but an epic poet, a bard if you will, an entertainer), Herodotus, Josephus and the like should absolutely NOT be taken at face value. The fact that an ancient city was found pretty much exactly where he said only proves the people of his time knew of a city (that had been rebuilt by then, and was rebuilt at least once or even twice aftwerwards), that for the purpose of his story, would fit the bill, and might have previously been associated with this story. Maybe the story was enirely the work of Homer's i.agination, and he tailored it for this ancient city, or maybe the story predated him, and he simply paired it with a city that fit. Who really knows? "Homer said" doesn't count for shit in a historical or archeological context, except to provide clues. Even if it is determined beyond any doubt that the archeological site now called Troy is indeed the same city as Homer's Troy, how can we possibly know if and to what degree any of this story is his own fabrication and what he merely relayed?
Trojans were Greeks too
Is not something to discuss about it
@@apmikalogran no
Have you heard about Dardania in Illyria (Albanian ancestors). the founder of Troy was Dardanus and the city was called Ilion= Our star and Troy=Our land. Try it maybe you will find something
😂😂😂😂😂😂 You Albanians with those "Illyrian descendants" fairy tales...
Have you ever heard the ΙΛΙΑΔΑ ΑΝΔ ΟΔΥΣΣΕΙΑ;;; These are epic poets of Homer writting in Greek langage about 3.800 years ago. And in that epic poetry during the war Greeks and Troians speak each other without translation. Do not be so irrelevant and naive asking stupid questions please ,it is borring!!!
There was no Greek language at the time. Letters in Greek alphabet are copied from so called Cyrillic ,or Serbian today. Letters they could not pronounce ,were replaced but the numbers which belong to each letter remained. Where would Greeks get the numbers from ?
Recently, we have concluded so far that Troy is not necessarily "Troy", that is, there is less proven evidence that what we thought was the site of "Troy" in the Iliad may not have been.
Then, there is the problem of the language. If we don't have the site, where there could be inscriptions, then what was the Trojan language really? ;)
Old Phrygian.
Trojanët flasin Shqip
Les Troyens parlent Albanais
Nice joke 🤣
GREEKS THEY WERE , TALKING THE SAME LANGUAGE AND HAVING THE SAME GODS.
And of Aoelian Origin *
Based on Homer? Not reliable for 1200 BCE Bronze Age Collapse.
They did not speak Greek
@Thebattler86 they did after all they were Aeolians idiot , and also in Ancient Greece there were more than 1 kind greek languages it's country since its Place had its own DIALECT , just later on Athens gained huge Influence and that's how Attic Greeks expanded as a language and became more global and layer known as "Koine greek" but this doesn't mean that it was the only greek language it was just the most "popular" dialect bcs of their Influence, in the same way that English are the global language right now
@@-BlackMamba- They fucking weren't. If they were Greeks how was there a Trojan war against Greece?🤡
My gut feelings is a Luwic language with a substratum of the non Indoeuropean language spoken in the early Bronze Age in that region. But is without doing more detailed research, just based on reading general (and often older) books about the Bronze Age in the Near East, Anatolia, some Online sources and so on, Museum visits, etc. and not from actively hunting down papers about the topic.
The Lowic language is a derivative of Hittite one.
Before Hittite was Sumerian.
The Illyrian Dardanian and Hellenic languages are Successors of Hittite so Anatolian languages are base for Indo-European languages
The Greek mythology is probably right. Troy was found by Dardanos so we need to look to the Dardanians in the Balkans which migrated and found Troy. There’s also evidence that the Phrygians also migrated from the Balkans to Asia minor where in the Balkans they were called the Bryges. there’s clearly a Balkan migration towards Troy. So the Troyan’s probably spoke a version of Greek , Tracian or Illyrian. Remember, all of the Agean Balkanik people where Pelasgians. Genetics has proven that Balkanik people have a genetic continuation of at least 4,000 BC. Obviously not every single individual but generally speaking the average Greek, Albanian or Northern Macedonian has pre-historic ancestry within the Balkans.
Greek of course
As Homer mentions!
No Welsh. We are the Trojans who escaped slavery from you.🏴
@@azwrisThen Homer must have had too much beer and doughnuts!
@@Thebattler86 At least he was getting a meal, in comparison to others who don't eat at all and make irony on the internet, as their brains are almost gone!
@@azwris Doh!!
Bi zahmet lidya etrüsk bağlantısını okuyun. Salihliler bildiğiniz lidyalıdır. Salihliler türktür helendir rumdur vb vb.
Paris i Boris = boretc = wrestler in old Thraco- Bulgarian...Frigians are brigi= Thracian...! Luvians=Ludian= Ludi- people in Thracians..ans so and so..
/read Pavel Serafimov Sparotok/
Trajan language was PELAZGIAN and is still spoken by ALBANIANS today.🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Tyrsenian like language maybe?
Tyrsenoi or Tyrrhenian?
@@gregorynixon2945
Were called the non Greek people, the capital name of Albania TIRANA means Tyrrhenia.
@@user-hb9hd7gl6m Utter nonsense.
Troia in Albanin is traslated Leand . Troia is in Albania Dardania sitt of Lezha (Lisius) not in Turkey
ahaahahahahaha
@@tilesremapaashtu si e pershkruajen autoret leshte nuk perputhet me relieving gjeografik te asaj Trojen qe na qenka ne Turqine e sotme ,genjeshtret e historiane te 2 shekujve te fundit duke I hedhur balte te vertete Trojane
They spoke Albanian! Troj in Albanian means land, translate from Albanian to your language “TROJET TONA” what means? ENEA who left Troy and founded Latinium in Alba Longa today Rome, how they called themselves?! “POPOLI ALBANI” the cities founded by ENEA in Alba Longa: TUSCULUM-today Tosk Albanians, LABICUM- today Lab Albanians, CAMERIUM - today Cam Albanians, GEGANIA - today Geg Albanians. We still have the same names.