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- Land of Epirus had long been on the periphery of the Hellenic world throughout the Classical period. However, it was nevertheless one of the earliest proto-Greek regions. In this episode, we go back to the Bronze Age, as we shed light on the early history of the Epirotes.
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Now I watched all your videos and I am immensely happy there is somebody else in the world as obsessed with bronze age as I am. Truly a wonderful channel tailored for my taste. Keep it up!
Thank you! Bronze age is my favorite! ⚔️
Thank you for telling the truth history.
@@agimfigura1046no he doesn’t 😂
Proto-Greek is bs
@@Trontotario cope hard 🤣
@@Notme17111 the Corinthian colonies
"In 1258 when groups of Albanians around Dyrrachion (Durrës) were allied with the Despot of Epirus, Michael II Doukas, there was no evidence of Albanians in Epirus."
Steven G. Ellis; Lud'a Klusáková (2007). "Imagining frontiers, contesting identities". Speculum. Edizioni Plus. 37
Finally someone covering this topic. Well done man. Greetings from Epirus
He used the “proto-Greek” hypothesis 😂
@@Trontotario this "hypothesis" has more evidence than your illyrian, pelasgian, epirote and whatever you feel like claiming that day "hypothesis" :)
@@wankawanka3053 his hypothesis is unrealistic 😂
@@Trontotario says who , a clown like you ? Wow very convincing argument 🤣
@@Trontotario albanians being natives to epirus that is unrealistic 😂
Nice to see people teaching Greek history 🇬🇷
Greek 😂
@@Trontotario what is it ? Albanian 🤡 look at me everyone we was Illyrians and shiiit 😂
@@Trontotario Imagine being an Albo with illusions.
@@Sickboy-oe4qfimagine think you’re descendants of ancient Hellenes Plato and Socrates 😂 when in reality they were replaced by Slavs, Anatolians, pontics, arvanites, vlachs, Roma, Romans and Ethiopians
@@Trontotario Even their names are Greek.Keep coping.
"Epirus was a land of milk and animal products [...] The social unit was a small tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and Chaonians [...] We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes were speaking the GREEK language (in a West-Greek dialect)."
Hammond, Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière (1998). Philip of Macedon. London: Duckworth
Georgios Kastriotis is Greek.
Thanks a lot. Where probably eveything begun. Greetings from an Epirot.
Greeks began below Epirus 😂
@@Notme17111 There’s more Mycenaeans sites in morea and Attica, how could Epirus, land of the barbarians be the main centre?
@@TrontotarioEpirus is the Land where the Greek Language & Ethno-Genesis was Born. There are over 20,000+ Ancient Sources saying that the Epirots are Greeks & we even have their inscriptions & curse tablets that are written in a 100% Epirotic Doric Greek Language! Also, every other people group that came into contact with Epirus called them Greeks, as they themselves always proudly claimed. Cope.
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 give me the quotes that they were Greek, there are just as many claiming they were barbarian. And of Epirus really was the home of the Greek ethnogenesis then why is it stated that one of the epirotic tribes, amphilochians had learnt Greek from the Corinthian colony of ambracia?
@@Trontotario No there are not
In Northern Epirus there is an internationally recognized Greek minority. Northern Epirus has been liberated 3 times by the Greek army, yet international treaties annexed it to the state of Albania.
@@wardafournello *Invaded
@@Notme17111 So what ? Nomadic Albanian tribes ,immigrants , won a battle with the Despotate of Epirus in 1359. Does this make Epirus Albanian? They were immigrants, nomadic populations without national consciousness and history.They came and left. And now they come back to Greece to work and eat a piece of bread. They must respect the country that accepts them.
According to the 2023 census there are 23 000 that are declared as greeks. Most of them are payed with pensions by the greek state or their children work in greece and they are afraid for them
ik o te qr jevgjit muti
@@Notme17111 pseudo history
Great ancient Greek civilization 🇬🇷 congratulation ftom an Epirotic guy
To muni tis manashu esis dhen ipirksate Pote Oli afto ine iliriko Esi dhekzeris ti tha pij Epir Mathew prota ti tha pij qe Meta gavgize
In your dreams 😂
@@gelisgeo1309 grek egzist pa gegen Oui gegen in north Albani civilzation grek😁😁😁😁😁😁😂😂😂
@@southepirote7676 Epirus is from the Greek word ΑΠΕΙΡΟ
@@VangjelCala The opposite happening
Here before the Albanians claim Epirus and anything in its vicinity
When you Greek nationalists make propaganda videos like this you can bet we will call you out on your bs 😂
Come and take it then 😂
@@southepirote7676 one single Greek base in Epirus can reach Tirana and subjugate it in one hour…
@@Elstocks21 So what are you waiting for? Go for it, just don't cry when all the Albanians in Greece start a revolution though.
@@chrisnewbury3793 Say that irl you racist cowards 🤫
What a wonderful documentary, as non European, we never knew that Epirus was important place in the past
Finally someone who has a clue
Tharrhypas (430 - 392 BC) was the father of Alcetas I and is said to have been the first to introduce southern Greek (namely Attic) cultural traits among the Molossians. This is supported by quotes from Pausanias (1.11) and Plutarch's Pyrrhus.
Thus, Greek culture and language were administratively introduced by the second registered king of the Epirotic line, indicating that the Epirots were not originally Greek but rather embraced some aspects of Hellenistic culture. The Epirots were a tribal society with closer resemblances to the Illyrians. Even King Pyrrhus took refuge under the Illyrian King Glaucia and married Illyrian queens, as noted in Justin's Epitome (17.3) and the Encyclopædia Britannica ("Pyrrhus").
Given that one of the most important kings of Epirus had such strong relations with the Illyrians, why do Greeks continue to assert their claims about the Epirots?
@@thoughty4257 In the Middle Bronze Age, Epirus was inhabited by the same nomadic Hellenic tribes that went on to settle in the rest of Greece. Aristotle considered the region around Dodona to have been part of Hellas and the region where the Hellenes originated. According to Bulgarian linguist Vladimir I. Georgiev, Epirus was part of the Proto-Greek linguistic areaduring the Late Neolithic period. By the early 1st millennium BC, all fourteen Epirote tribes including the Chaonians in northwestern Epirus, the Molossians in the centre and the Thesprotians in the south, were speakers of a strong west Greek dialect.
History of the Peloponnesian War, as does Strabo in his Geography, although the latter clearly distinguishes them from the neighboring Illyrians.
A rugged and mountainous region, Epirus was the north-west area of ancient Greece. It was inhabited by the Greek tribes of the Chaonians, Molossians, and Thesprotians.
www.inaturalist.org/places/wikipedia/Ipeiros#:~:text=A%20rugged%20and%20mountainous%20region,Chaonians%2C%20Molossians%2C%20and%20Thesprotians.
@@Weedwizard600The Pelasgians were proto Albanians and were considered barbaric by Greeks. Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested»
Oxford University Linguistics
“The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”:
«Nonetheless, most historians have decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself»
It is argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian
Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians».
By Budapest university in hungary:
«The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians...
From Linköping university:
«order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians via Pelasgians.
Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California
«the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians.
This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book.
«While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179
Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181.
«by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says.
«It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3.
also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5.
By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1
By Colorado state university:
«Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also:
«the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.
@@Notme17111 you should stop you don’t know anything, Doric was introduced to Albanian via Corinthian colonies established in Epirus.
@@TrontotarioCorinthians spoke Peloponnesian Doric, similar to Sparta, Argos, etc. Epirotes spoke NW Doric which was different and instead similar to Delphi.
Therefore, Corinthians couldn’t have introduced a language dialect which they themselves did not speak.
The main problem when making up countless lies is that it’s impossible for them not to eventually become contradictory to one another. That’s where your argument fails.
Great presentation as always!
Thanks! Appreciate it!
Hello there thanks a lot for your time and work. My friends Epirus was the place that everything started. Everyone to the known world came to Dodona and to necromantion. Actually at the odyssey of homer odysseas was came to necromantion to speak with a dead mantis. Epirus is a beautiful place with a lot of culture and history. My regards from Epirus region
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@@Trontotario 🇬🇷💙😘
Amazing video. Epirus and Western Macedonia is the cradle of Hellenic people. In Pindus area where the place that Hellenism was born.
😂😂😂
@@southepirote7676 Only smiles with no arguments. Classic albanian haha
@@NektariosTsaklas ok then
Original Text:
__ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ __
ΠΕΛΛΑΖΓΕΣ - ΟΙ ΠΑΠΠΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΒΑΝΩΝ
«Επομένως, οι παππούδες και οι γιαγιάδες των σημερινών Αλβανών, δηλαδή οι Πελασγοί, έζησαν από τα προϊστορικά χρόνια στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος του τότε γνωστού κόσμου, αναπτύσσοντας έναν πολύ σημαντικό πολιτισμό και χτίζοντας διάφορες κατασκευές εξαιρετικής αξίας.
Πηγή:
Η Μεγάλη Ελληνική Εγκυκλοπαίδεια, Τόμ. 19, σελ. 873
___GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA__________
'Therefore, the ancestors of today's Albanians, i.e. the Pelasgians, lived from prehistoric times in most of the then known world, developing a very important culture and building various structures of extraordinary value.'
Source:
The Great Greek Encyclopedia Vol. 19, Pg. 873
Love Epirus, Macedonia and Thrace and all Northern Greece. 🇬🇷💙🏛️
😂😂😂
Sorry to hurt your ultranationalist Greek ego but Çam genocide is real
@@southepirote7676 🇬🇷💙💪🏻🏛️😎
Greek-Albanian Confederation should have happened... 2 Nations 1 Blood
🇦🇲❤️🇬🇷🇦🇱
@@southepirote7676 Of course it is and I feel bad for Cham Albanians and all but lets not also forget the Chams collabrated with the N@z!s against Greece but RIP to the innocent victims that didn't have to do anything with the war
Cool thanks mate
Very good video
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can say that not many Greeks are aware of the birthplace of their people, the sacred site of the Oracle of Dodoni. From there, the religion and the language spread to all of Greece and later to the Greek colonies. Althought most have heard about Dodoni, they cannot make the connection.
Fun Fact: Epirus, nowdays, is the poorest region of Greece and up to 1990s it was quite isolated.
Just the thing I needed research this night. 🧿🧿
In the Middle Bronze Age, Epirus was inhabited by the same nomadic Hellenic tribes that went on to settle in the rest of Greece. Aristotle considered the region around Dodona to have been part of Hellas and the region where the Hellenes originated. According to Bulgarian linguist Vladimir I. Georgiev, Epirus was part of the Proto-Greek linguistic areaduring the Late Neolithic period. By the early 1st millennium BC, all fourteen Epirote tribes including the Chaonians in northwestern Epirus, the Molossians in the centre and the Thesprotians in the south, were speakers of a strong west Greek dialect.
Kurr
Gjithmon ka qen Shqiptar
O fashist rracist
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaGjithmon ka qen Shqiptar nderkoh toponimet me shumic jane Greku-Sllave, ne anen tjeter veriu ka toponime shqiptare si Kruja, Dibra etj, jugu ka toponime sllave si Korca e cila vjen nga Gorica "mal" ne gjuhen e shkijeve, Gjirokastra qe do thote qyteze e argjend, Shqipja nuk lejon bashkime emerore per qytetet i bie te ishte Qytet i argjende rdhe jo Argjendqytet etj.
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaE pushtum at ven ne mesjet me Karl thopin, pjeter loshen edhe gjin bu shpaten.
@@Notme17111All of Greece is Albanian. Be sure that many Çam Albanians will fight for and liberate Çameria which European powers took away from us with treaty of London.
@@Notme17111The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes.
To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin.
Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries.
Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek.
Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts.
In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
This was very valuable and well informed presentation on Bronze Age Epirus. I hope to visit. Can you please provide a link to any info on Bronze Age Epirus' cist graves, mound graves and other Bronze Age sites? Thanks
This video is completely wrong 😂
@@Trontotario cry because people do not buy your propaganda :)
@@wankawanka3053 I’m not Greek I don’t make propaganda
@@Trontotario you are right ,you are albanian, you practically are propaganda😂
@@wankawanka3053 Greek autism 👆
"It is virtually impossible to see through the various strata in the Albanian language to discover any particular ancient ethnic origin."
"As has been noted above, the first millennium of Albanian history had little to do with the Albanian peoples themselves. As an ethnic group, the Albanians first emerged from the mists of history in the early years of the second millennium A.D."
Robert Elsie, Keeping an Eye on the Albanians: Selected Writings in the Field of Albanian Studies, 2015, p. 11-40.
The Turk-albanians came from the Albanian Caucasian river along with turks after the byzantine period means after the year 1453 aC and spoke a turkish type language without alphabet and letters
@@darladallddoria143 How do you explain the Albanians of Southern Italy that escaped the Turkish invasion…. Not only they were there (and DNA proves it), but the Albanians of Italy are not from today’s Albania… but from Peloponnesus!!!!
That proves Peloponnesus was Albanian before the Turks… and Albanians are the real Greeks!
LIAR LIAR…!
Just like you can’t know where God came from… you can’t know where Albanians came from. Because no one was there to witness it!!! NO ONE was there before Albanians!
@@intelliGENeration in southern Italy and peloponnisos were and are Greeks, and no turk - albanians...
The southern italians calling - Magna Grecia means big Greece from the ancient Greek period - the southern Italy, from Napoli to Cecilia..
The name Napoli is by the Greek name ΝΕΑΠΟΛΙΣ, meaning new city
@@intelliGENeration the turk-albanians came from the Albanian Caucasian river
Another interesting video, this channel is becoming a hidden gem of youtube for this niche
A new Wanax TV dropped. Woot!
His speech is so poor
@@Notme17111 What work does he put? He doesn’t put ANY work in research at all.
@@Notme17111 he is a butthurt albanian nothing new to see here 😆 he just hates that wanax tv doesn't read koqaci or something
@@Trontotario says the lazy albo with no arguments to debunk him hahaha keep crying that's what you can do at this point
@Trontotario Bruh stop crying 🤣 🇬🇷💙😘
ok, i'll start a new TW campagne for Epirus
another good video, thanks
It’s very important to note that maybe “Selloi” is spelled like that it’s not the right pronunciation. The right pronunciation is “Sellí” the Western European theory that double vowels are pronounced separate has been debunked by scholars in Greek Universities such the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.
North Epirus still has Greek population although under albanian state and uneffected by any Greek form of rule since Byzantium
Epirus had Albanians, but guess what happened? The Greek expelled them all
@@Notme17111 this is story telling not proof 😂
@@Trontotario Very few. They fled to escape courts, after Nazis lost the war
@@petrospetromixos6962 so women and children are Nazis???
@@Trontotarioand killed some women and children..Albanian converted in islam
Eternal glory to our formidable ancestors 🔥🇬🇷
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhus_of_Epirus
All of Albania Vardaska Turkey are Greek states long live to Hellas
The truth is that they used to be Greek for millenniums.
@@Theodoros_Kolokotronis To kserw aderfe mou Ellhn!
Γεια σου πατριώτη ! 🔥🇬🇷
@@Theodoros_Kolokotronis Orthodoksia Ellas pane mazi etsi mas deidaksane etsi tha pethanoume
I think it's important to mention that Mycenaean-like tummular tombs in Epirus are only from the Late Helladic (two coastal ones and one in the interior, near Dodona). In the Early Helladic, when Greece became Greece (was conquered by Indoeuropeans, probably from Montenegro and by sea) there were no such key indicators in Epirus at all, although there were in Aetolia just south of the Epirote border (one in the island of Thesprotia, the other at the coast of the nearby bay -- at Amphilochia probably but unsure). So I understand that the Hellenization of Epirus would only begin in this late period and that previously there was a time when Epirus was relatively unrelated to Greece as such.
You mention the three classical tribes but they seem anachronistic to me and should not be depicted as existing in the Bronze Age. They may have but we don't know, do we? If we assume that the Thesprotians were intrusive Greeks or Pelasgians (THES-protia THES-salia, is that a linguistic connection?), judging on what you say in the video, the other two tribes may well have been there since the Neolithic and maybe the Chaonians still spoke Vasconic in the BA (Epirus was the origin the Cardium-Impressed Pottery culture, which spread what I call "Southern Vasconic" all the way to the Atlantic and then northwards to Scandinavia even).
I believe there is Vasconic substrate in Greek, although it's unclear where they got it from (Dinaric region before migrating to Greece or Greece itself, especially the Peloponese, are the main candidates). Regardless one of the words I consider to be Vasconic is "oxi" ("no"), which is clearly not Indoeuropean, and, if Vasconic, it would correlate with Basque "ez"; hence I will try to work with a /x/ Basque "z" correspondence and imagine that Chaonians (Χάονες) would call themselves Zaw- plus the plural ending that in Greek and Latin is -ones (Auso: Ausones, Vasco: Vascones, etc.) but in Vasconic could be something like -ak/-ek (in modern Basque) or -eta/-ete (via many ancient Iberian/Aquitainian ethnonyms such as Ilergetas, related to modern Basque -(e)tar = "native of" and extremely common toponymic -eta = territorial plural?) It doesn't matter much which was the native plural form, what matters here is that the singular was (in this hypothesis) Zawa or Zawe or something like that, which is oddly similar to "Zeus". Thus I wonder if there was a phonetic assimilation process here, in association to the Oracle of Dodona, and how that it can relate to the (AFAIK unexplained) evolution from "theos" into "Zeus" (clearly cognates but unclear how exactly).
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Ref. (for the tummuli part): "The Spatial Distribution and Location of Bronze Age Tumuli in Greece". Proceedings of the International Conference held in Udine, May 15th-18th 2008. Christina Merkouri & Maria Kouli.
Unfortunately, Hammond follows Gorojani’s approach on the history of Epirus. One would have expected from him serious arguments about the population of Epirus during the second millenium, but unfortunately we are presented with speculative assumptions. At one point he indicates that the language of tumulus or Kurgan population, that is the porto-european language that would have covered Epirus at the end of III century B.C. or beginning of the II century B.C. could have been Illyrian or Greek. There is no doubt, he added, that to the far north Kurgan leaders spoke an early form of Illyrian, but in Epirus, he pointed out, their language was “possibly” Greek. (Thus according to him, people of the same ethnicity spoke two languages!) Then, after all this uncertainty, he speaks as if he was certain that the Kurgan leaders were Greek speaking. As he refers to tumulus burrials relating to Middle Helladic (1900-1600 B.C.) period discovered in some areas of today’s central Greece and Peloponnesus, to quote exactly, he indicates “it was the Kurgan leaders of Albania and Leukas who brought tumulus-burial to southern Greece and founded many of the Mycenaean centers which , as we know from the decipherment of Linear B tablets used Greek as the language of the ruling class. According to Hammond, this language pertains to Kurgan leaders and not the general populace. (Epirus, p. 36)
A proof for his assumption that Greek speaking people appeared in Epirus in 2100 B.C. are war holed stone swords discovered at Maliq. Thus, this sward would be enough proof, according to him, to establish that the population where Maliq is situated, at the end of III B.C. was Greek speaking. It is also hard to understand his view that Mycenaean objects, which were discovered in Epirus at the end of Early Helladic, were produced by early Greek speaking tribes who, according to him, as indicated by archaeological evidence, had settled peacefully! Hammond also espouses the view, with no supporting evidence, that the tumulas leaders expanded Hellenism from Macedonia to southern Epirus, and then from southern Epirus to northern Epirus, which is known to be characterized rough mountains. He reaches a totally speculative opinion that as of Middle Helladic was extended to Epirus from where it was never to be ousted. (Epirus, f. 36)
Again it is hard to accept the view that Kurgan population expanded from south to north when history indicates the contrary. It is well known that population movements during pre-history, porto-history, and antiquity, at least in the Balkan Peninnsula, have been characteristically from north to south
@@Trontotario The "Kurgan peoples" (i.e. Indoeuropeans) did first spread from North to South in what pertains to Greece but I've become absolutely self-persuaded that they did not overland but rather by sea: the precursors of the Early Helladic tummuli are to be found not in Epirus nor Albania but in coastal Montenegro, where the Mala Gruda facies of Vucedol culture existed. This makes the proto-Greeks pretty much the first Indoeuropeans to take to the sea in any serious manner and explains, not just the southern or coastal pattern of spread of those "kurgans" or tummuli but also how could Greeks excel so much at sailing so soon, reaching distant places like Iberia (where they influenced El Argar culture in its B phase, within in a Middle Helladic chronology) and eventually defeat naval powers like Crete, Troy or Cyprus.
In any case there are no EH tummular sites AFAIK between Montenegro and Aeolia, so both Epirus and Albania (old "true Illyria") must have remained to one exten or another outside of the scope of Greek and general Indoeuropean influence for a while. My take on Illyrian-Albanian is that it's probably a Dacian or "Daco-Thracian" language and that the pre-Indoeuropean to Indoeuropean shift probably happened at a later stage of the Bronze Age, maybe associated to another important Greece-related episode: the arrival of the Brygei, which IMO produced ancient Macedonians and Phrygians and ultimately Armenians: Armenian is the closest living language to Greek per most analyses and thus probably also originated in Vucedol culture... but via an overland route, which includes the Trojan War and the fall of the Hittite Empire, rather than the related coastal route we know better thanks to the Egyptian recording of the 1178 BCE "sea peoples", which clearly also operated on the aftermath of the Trojan War (c. 1180 BCE).
We (or at least I) don't know exactly when the proto-Albanians became Illyrians but a reasonable hunch is that the Brygei migration also brought some of their neighbors to the east, the Dacians (of more distant Western Yamna roots surely) and these acculturized the locals via elite domination after conquest. In any case they were consolidated as such Illyrians by the Iron Age. Epirus on the other hand clearly fell to the Northern Greeks of Dorian-related language (originally from Aetolia and the borderlands of Thessaly) but it was probably a complex process and this video's data may give some hints about how it happened, although it's a rather obscure matter.
@@Trontotario hammond knows his stuff he even bothered to learn your silly language an lived both in albania and greece 🤣keep crying because he said the truth
Thanks for input. You are right, unfortunately there are no contemporary written records about Bronze Age Epirus. However, ancient Greek writers such as Pusanians do mention the tribes of Epirus as being there before the Trojan war.
Also, there is no record of significant population movements in Epirus between Late Bronze and Classical periods. Dark Ages were not really dynamic times.
I think that it’s safe enough to assume that those tribes had been there for a very long time.
@@WanaxTV - Total respect for Pausanias but he's after all a 2nd century CE author, half way between the Early or even Middle Helladic and us, so he may have also incurred into anachronisms. Anyhow, as good as it gets, I guess.
As for "significant population movements", they don't need to exist for a process of assimilation and maybe eventual partial conquest (Molossus in the legend) to happen. You do mention a development of a city-fortress in Southern Epirus (I can't recall the name right now, would need to rewatch the video) that resembles such intrusive process in the Late Helladic and mention that someone (Pausanias?) suggests that the area was originally Chaonian and then became Thesprotian, whatever that means in terms ethno-linguistic.
I don't recall the original (I've read Strabo but fragmentarily and long ago) but Wikipedia states that:
"According to Strabo, the Molossians, along with the Chaonians and Thesprotians, were the most famous among the fourteen tribes of Epirus, who once ruled over the whole region. The Chaonians ruled Epirus at an earlier time, and afterwards the Thesprotians and Molossians controlled the region. The Thesprotians, the Chaonians, and the Molossians were the three principal clusters of Greek tribes that had emerged from Epirus and were the most powerful among all other tribes".
Strabo is probably more credible on this than Pausanias (he's a century older and generally very good as geographer) and his narrative strongly suggests that the Molossians and Thesprotians (or at least their elites) were foreigner. The Molossians are naturally linked to the Greek parts of Thessaly (Achilles > Neptolemus > Molossus) and, as I said previously, the name Thesprotians might be related to Thessaly (be them Pelasgians or Greeks or a mix of both), the classical era dialect would also be related to the Greek borderlands south of Thessaly (proto-Dorian, so-called "Western Greek").
As for demographic changes, I'd rather wait to get some ancient DNA data, which often comes with surprises and I would expect to show some (even if diluted) Indoeuropean element to it, while the previous layer should not have it yet.
Desperate Albos for some ancient glory they turned a vanished people (Illyrians) to Albanians.QQ
@@southepirote7676 Where?In your imaginary world?
@@southepirote7676 Oooo really? Well enough with your dreams for today.
The Minoan Civilization was Greek also...
They were Pelasgic not Greek, they didn’t speak Indo European Greek.
@@Trontotario Non Greek Pelasgic (?) this is not proven theory. You should be more careful to spread theories without proof. Even the names of their Pantheon was Greek. Culturally they have enormous similarities with the Myceneans.
Also, IndoEuropean theory is just that... A theory...
Even The etymology of Pelasgic word roots to Greek language.
@@Trontotario The Pelasgians were a people who were considered probably predecessors and ancestors of the Greeks. Areas such as Thessaly and Attica were traditionally considered to be inhabited by Pelasgians. Pelasgos is mentioned as the general of the Pelasgians. Numerous legends and traditions were associated with his name. Hesiod mentions the myth that the first inhabitants of Arcadia were Pelasgians, and Ephorus that all Pelasgians are of Arcadian origin, a point mentioned by Strabo.
Make some real research...
@@firstchushingura from the same source as yours “And many have called also the tribes of Epirus “Pelasgian,” because in their opinion the Pelasgi extended their rule even as far as that” are you saying the tribes of Epirus are of Arcadian origin?
@@Trontotario They were Greek. All of these tribes, Read and study.
This channel gives a very accurate description of what was going on in Bronze Age Greece especially during the time when Mycenae was growing in power wealth and grandeur all the mythological Greek characters unlike the gods have their origins in Mycenaean Greece.
Tharrhypas (430 - 392 BC) was the father of Alcetas I and is said to have been the first to introduce southern Greek (namely Attic) cultural traits among the Molossians. This is supported by quotes from Pausanias (1.11) and Plutarch's Pyrrhus.
Thus, Greek culture and language were administratively introduced by the second registered king of the Epirotic line, indicating that the Epirots were not originally Greek but rather embraced some aspects of Hellenistic culture. The Epirots were a tribal society with closer resemblances to the Illyrians. Even King Pyrrhus took refuge under the Illyrian King Glaucia and married Illyrian queens, as noted in Justin's Epitome (17.3) and the Encyclopædia Britannica ("Pyrrhus").
Given that one of the most important kings of Epirus had such strong relations with the Illyrians, why do Greeks continue to assert their claims about the Epirots?
hahahah the only greek stuff in epirus introduced by Tharypas were from Attica, if greek wasn't in the region already how do you explain the greek name of the facther of Tharypas and the older rulers of Epirus? Why did epirotes use their own greek dialect aka northwestern greek instead of attic greek? So many holes in yoursilly claims 😉
ahhaha what strong connection with the illyrian rulers silly albo? Are you forgetting the illyrian invasion of Epirus by the Illyrians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_invasion_of_Epirus , did you forget that after the death of Pyrrhus his son had to fight wars against the illyrians?
@@wankawanka3053 He meant as in culture, the language was imported to Epirus via colonies.
Thucydides (Book 2.68)
About the same time towards the close of the summer, the Ambraciot forces, with a number of barbarians that they had raised, marched against the Amphilochian Argos and the rest of that country. The origin of their enmity against the Argives was this. This Argos and the rest of Amphilochia were colonized by Amphilochus, son of Amphiaraus. Dissatisfied with the state of affairs at home on his return thither after the Trojan war, he built this city in the Ambracian gulf, and named it Argos after his own country. This was the largest town in Amphilochia, and its inhabitants the most powerful. Under the pressure of misfortune many generations afterwards, they called in the Ambraciots, their neighbors on the Amphilochian border, to join their colony; and it was by this union with the Ambraciots that they learnt their present Hellenic speech, the rest of the Amphilochians being barbarians.
@@Trontotario if language was imported then why was it not identical to the one found in the colonies then ?People who adopted greek didn't magically form their own dialect of greek. Why were rulers of epirus already using greek names before tharrypas? a lot of holes in your silly theories.
Keep crying Epirotic was a form of Greek whether you like it or not until of course if you somehow provide actual physical evidence of a different language existing there ,like we see with actually hellenized places like Phrygia or Caria en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirote_Greek
@@wankawanka3053 it’s literally attested in ancient sources that epirotes learnt Greek through colonies. I’ve given you the quote like a trillion times already! And also epirotes still preserved an Illyrian aspect to their language. δάξα daksa, cited by Hesychius. Also found in Illyrian tribe Dassaretii and dexaroi meaning sea. Compared to Albanian detar.
@@Trontotario name the sources then you little genius, then explain why didn't other non greeks"learn greek" from more heavily colonised places ? Last time i checked non greeks who "learned greek" or adopted it didn't magically start forming their own unique dialect such as north west greek found in Epirus , they simply adopted the greek dialect next to them which according to your logic should have been simple doric or attic yet the Epirus adopted none, instead they used their own dialect weird huh 😉
Speaking of hesychius it's weird that you decided to use him since his entire lexicon included words from Greeks and only Greeks, whether they are epirotes,Laconians, cretans,corinthians ect , why isn't latin or thracian or illyrian included in the lexicon can you explain that? Hesychius also included epirotic words such as γαιαλόχος and Ἄσπετος both regular greek words 😂
Tirana is Greek,even Edi Rama admits it.
Albanians opening Greek and Italian restaurants claiming to be Greek … so sad … give them a Greek passport then they can claim ancient heritage 😅
You are trolling in almost every Albanian video, you even steal our history 😂
@@southepirote7676 You do the same thing.
@@southepirote7676You are quite a troll, aren't You?🤣
@@davidaxelos4678 Of course he is a troll,i mean he is an Albanian so,that explains a lot.
Many Albos crying in the comments and cannot accept the truth.
hahah can't wait for the coping albos whose name isn't even mentioned in epirus until the middle ages where they came as immigrants😁
Ok 😁 The Pelasgians were proto Albanians and were considered barbaric by Greeks. Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested»
Oxford University Linguistics
“The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”:
«Nonetheless, most historians have decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself»
It is argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian
Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians».
By Budapest university in hungary:
«The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians...
From Linköping university:
«order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians via Pelasgians.
Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California
«the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians.
This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book.
«While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179
Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181.
«by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says.
«It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3.
also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5.
By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1
By Colorado state university:
«Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also:
«the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.
Oh would you look at that. Greeks are native in Epirus just as slavs are 😂
@@southepirote7676Pelasgians are not proto-Albanians.
@@Notme17111 Ik o Rum, çfare pushtimi. Ne jena autokton ne trojet tane ne Çameri.
@@southepirote7676Programi i adn-së e Shqipëtarëve e mohon këtë pohim edhe thotë që Shqiptarët vin nga mesi i ballkanit kjo mbështet nga vazhdimësua zanore e toponimeve Shtip,Nish edhe Sharr ndërsa në jug toponimet hyn shqipen ndërmjet sllavëve e jo Grekëve, Ilirëve etj, qe domethëne bullgaret kane qene ne jug para Shqipetareve.
Skanderbeg is Greek.
Kadri në pith shoku
🎉 More Bronze Age History 🎉
Your channel brings more information, then most on the Bronze Age, Thank you
Epiri Heroik Shqiptar
Epirus is a historical and geographical region in southeastern Europe that is shared between Albania and Greece. The region stretches from the Bay of Vlorë in Albania to the Gulf of Árta in Greece, and includes the Pindus Mountains and the Ionian Sea. The largest settlement in Albanian Epirus is Gjirokastër, while the main town in Greek Epirus is Ioánnina
All Albanian territories
Make Epirus Albanian Again
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@@armandalikaj Albanian "nationalistic masturbation" based on books they wrote themselves and tik tok scholars. Keep on entertaining us😂😂😂😂🇬🇷
@@armandalikaj Has anybody told you that Gjirokaster original name is Argyrokastro which in greek means silver castle or the castle of Argyro (a greek female name which means precious like silver)??. All Epirus , southern and northern was greek for 3500 years . All the rest is your imagination... Back then You were living in your valleys having love affairs with your goats😂😂😂😂
@@odysseasntalias5950 not to worry
Athens is speaking Albanian again, just like it has for centuries
@@armandalikaj And then you woke up.....😂😂😂
Epirus became Grecized or Hellenized after 6BCE and by 3 BCE Tharrypas of Molosia made Greek the institutional language, but that lasted until Romans came.
Greeting from an Epirot.
@@dios1ish868 Epirus was never "Hellenized". It was forever Greek.🇬🇷🏛️💙
@@napalm-gr
'Tharrhypas (430 - 392 BC) was the father of Alcetas I and is said to have been the first to introduce southern Greek (namely Attic) cultural traits among the Molossians. This is supported by quotes from Pausanias (1.11) and Plutarch's Pyrrhus.
Thus, Greek culture and language were administratively introduced by the second registered king of the Epirotic line, indicating that the Epirots were not originally Greek but rather embraced some aspects of Hellenistic culture. The Epirots were a tribal society with closer resemblances to the Illyrians. Even King Pyrrhus took refuge under the Illyrian King Glaucia and married Illyrian queens, as noted in Justin's Epitome (17.3) and the Encyclopædia Britannica ("Pyrrhus").'
@@dios1ish868 "It is virtually impossible to see through the various strata in the Albanian language to discover any particular ancient ethnic origin."
"As has been noted above, the first millennium of Albanian history had little to do with the Albanian peoples themselves. As an ethnic group, the Albanians first emerged from the mists of history in the early years of the second millennium A.D."
Robert Elsie, Keeping an Eye on the Albanians: Selected Writings in the Field of Albanian Studies, 2015, p. 11-40.
@@dios1ish868 🤡🤣
@@vangelisskia214 keep cope
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🇦🇲❤️🇬🇷🇦🇱
Hey you greek! You are just talking one of 16 Hellenic dialects nothing more but too much less😂
Share more of Your great wisdom!😂
hahaha to all the albos coping what does the epirotic word γαιαλόχος mean 😁 or πελείους ?
Sure, here you go 🤗 Epirus is Albanian word from I eperm which means highland. Even the Albanian word Shq-Iperi has it included it in. Oh did I forget to tell you even Skanderbeg called himself an Epirote? 😮
@@southepirote7676 Tharrhypas (430 - 392 BC) was the father of Alcetas I and is said to have been the first to introduce southern Greek (namely Attic) cultural traits among the Molossians. This is supported by quotes from Pausanias (1.11) and Plutarch's Pyrrhus.
Thus, Greek culture and language were administratively introduced by the second registered king of the Epirotic line, indicating that the Epirots were not originally Greek but rather embraced some aspects of Hellenistic culture. The Epirots were a tribal society with closer resemblances to the Illyrians. Even King Pyrrhus took refuge under the Illyrian King Glaucia and married Illyrian queens, as noted in Justin's Epitome (17.3) and the Encyclopædia Britannica ("Pyrrhus").
Given that one of the most important kings of Epirus had such strong relations with the Illyrians, why do Greeks continue to assert their claims about the Epirots?
@@Notme17111 O vlleh/goran nuk po flas me ty. Pse hidhesh perpjet por gjithemone me mu?😂
@@Notme17111 The Pelasgians were proto Albanians and were considered barbaric by Greeks. Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested»
Oxford University Linguistics
“The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”:
«Nonetheless, most historians have decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself»
It is argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian
Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians».
By Budapest university in hungary:
«The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians...
From Linköping university:
«order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians via Pelasgians.
Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California
«the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians.
This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book.
«While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179
Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181.
«by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says.
«It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3.
also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5.
By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1
By Colorado state university:
«Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also:
«the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.
@@southepirote7676Show me the proof where is it, here its just a statement not a single proof. Hellenic Albanian is never categorized together they are in the Paleo-balkan branch you edited the text yourself Lmaooo. There was no Illyrian peninsula Illyrians inhabited 1/3 of the balkans 😂😂😂 Ueeeeee sa rrotkari
Slavs came in 800 ad to the balkans. This land is greek, from day0.
That's what we've been telling you, slavs are newcomers. The land belonged to the first Pelasgians and they are Albanians. Thls land belongs to Albanians since day 1.
Exactly, They are Russian Nomads don't forget Serbs will try to occupy Macedonia once they reach Greek borders... Greece and Albania same blood wake up!
@@southepirote7676 Albanians are not ancient people bro you must be kidding or something
@@Sickboy-oe4qf Original Text:
__ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ __
ΠΕΛΛΑΖΓΕΣ - ΟΙ ΠΑΠΠΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΒΑΝΩΝ
«Επομένως, οι παππούδες και οι γιαγιάδες των σημερινών Αλβανών, δηλαδή οι Πελασγοί, έζησαν από τα προϊστορικά χρόνια στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος του τότε γνωστού κόσμου, αναπτύσσοντας έναν πολύ σημαντικό πολιτισμό και χτίζοντας διάφορες κατασκευές εξαιρετικής αξίας.
Πηγή:
Η Μεγάλη Ελληνική Εγκυκλοπαίδεια, Τόμ. 19, σελ. 873
___GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA__________
'Therefore, the ancestors of today's Albanians, i.e. the Pelasgians, lived from prehistoric times in most of the then known world, developing a very important culture and building various structures of extraordinary value.'
Source:
The Great Greek Encyclopedia Vol. 19, Pg. 873
@@southepirote7676 Thats not a proof you put a random text from nowhere give me some real source at least
Let’s laugh together 😂😂
Qeshim per ca qe ju shqepemi mas byths grekut se i urrejm. Apo qe jemi nacionalist edhe besojm se rraca jone eshte superiore edhe tjeran nën njerezore edhe pse ne kemi 0 shpikje, me emero nje shpikje pellazgo-iliro-Sumeriane shqiptare. Ik shif pllumb gurin edhe kocaqin qe kositen zgjuarsin shqiptare edhe mbingriten nacionalizmin.
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Wanax Circus 🎪🎪
@@Trontotario so much coping from you LOL
@@wankawanka3053
Wanax Circus 🎪
Wanka Clown 🤡
I Alexander, son of Philip, king of the Macedonians, embodiment of monarchy, creator of the Greek Empire, son of Zeus, interlocutor of Brahmans and Trees, of the sun and moon, triumphant over the kingdoms of the Persians and Medes, Lord of the World whence where the sun rises and sets, from North to South, seed of the distinguished seed of the Illyrian peoples of Dalmatia and Liburnia and other peoples of the same language who populate the Danube and the central area of Thrace, I bring you my love, peace and greetings and of all those who follow the rule of the world.
Since you have always been faithful to me and strong and invincible in the battles fought by my side, I give and hand over to you in free possession the whole space of Aquilon to the edge of South Italy. No one but you shall dare to settle and stay in those places, and if any foreigner is found, he shall be able to stay only as your slave, and his descendants shall be the slaves of your descendants.
ΑΠΕΙΡΩ’ΤΑΝ =Hapur(O)tan Ω ,the hole continent is a open space where we all live,ΑΠΕΙΡΩ’ΤΑΝ =Open code O =infinity to Code Ω (omega) and are all Pelasgian 👉🦅🇦🇱🦅
Three Skyptar(Albanian) states 👉 Illyria,Epirus and Macedonia. And the the name ΠΥΡΡΟΥ = the guardian spirit ->S’Pir’roy (πυρ)= energy supreme , human energy, ΑΛΕΧΑΝΔΡΟΥ ->Al 🌟Roy (Royal) senior guard.this is all Albanian 🇦🇱 Illyrian-Pelasgian
@@floriankociu7251 Hahahahah all these names that you mentioned are Greek not Albanian lmao you have nothing in common with Epirus
@@floriankociu7251 And also to Macedonia which is 100%Greek Hellenic
@@Sickboy-oe4qf nothing Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia 🫵🫵🤥🤥🤥🤥
@@floriankociu7251 You have no history you are Albanian just wake up.
Why are some many people with either Greek or Albanian flags bickering in the comments? Maybe the ancient peoples would despise everyone of us 'modern' humans equally.
Kaonet,Moloset,Thespriotet were not greek tribes!!!!
"Epirus was a land of milk and animal products [...] The social unit was a small tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and Chaonians [...] We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes were speaking the GREEK language (in a West-Greek dialect)."
Hammond, Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière (1998). Philip of Macedon. London: Duckworth
this is fascinating
Pop History 😂
Ήπειρος ( *Ipeir*os) = Shq*ipëri* / Σκ´Ηπειροί (Albania)
In your dreams
@@Sickboy-oe4qf And reality ok👍🏼
@@intelliGENeration In reality those names that you mentioned are Greek Albanians dont have history
@@intelliGENeration Σκ´Ηπειροί This is Greek word not Albanian learn history
@@Sickboy-oe4qf Of course it is… cuz Albanians are the real Greeks, and they reject your puppet state, modelled after their ancient history.
DON T LIE...IT IS NOT GREECE, IS ALBANIAN...MOLOSET,KAONET,THESPROTET ARE EPIROT ALBANIAN...EPIR IS ALBANIA, PIRRO, SKENDERBEG WERE THE KING OF EPIR
The way albanian nationalist pseudoscholars serve you this nonsense for scientific facts and then you swallow and regargitate them , is unbelievable... Stop ridiculing yourselves to educated people who read your comments and poisoning the relations of two neighbouring nations.... You offer no service , you recycle stupidity.
Skip Wanax and start Xanax
Nice history of Chameria/Epirus of where Greeks and Albanians are. Love Albania from Armenia I hope we will recognize Kosovo and stop supporting Serbia and the nonsense of the fake "Orthodox Brotherhood" which is made to go against Albania and Albanians as a whole. And even Albanians look like Armenians the faces of both of our people its possible we share the same DNA after all because I also did research and Greeks also are related to Armenians and Albanians so I think we share the same DNA. Also as I did my research both Armenian and Albanian are Paleo-Balkan Langauges which is nice. Long live Albania from Armenia + Kosovo is Albania! 🇦🇲❤️🇦🇱
Its actually called EPIRUS 🇬🇷💙😘
You poor troll 🤣🤣
@@napalm-gr I said both Chameria and Epirus, Seems like you cant read lol
@@artsakh_is_armenia1 Part of Greece. Always 🇬🇷💙🏛️
@@napalm-gr Greek-Albanian Confederation should have happened, 2 Nations 1 Blood
🇦🇲❤️🇬🇷🇦🇱, down with the Slavs and Turks!
@@artsakh_is_armenia1thanks for your nice comment. ❤🇦🇱
The territory of Epirus Is called Ellas in the middle Age in the Middle Ages.
Albanians call themselves epirotes
Shqipiri = ipiri = epiri = epirotes
@@Trontotario Albanians never called themselfs epirotes.Albanians dont exist in the map.
@@Trontotario the epirotes used the terms apeiros to describe themselves 🤣 the e sound was added from attic greek that's why you albos don't use A sound when talking about epirus
@@wankawanka3053 you’re right, they never called themselves epirotes, but instead identified with their tribes, Molossi = Malësi - Highlander.
Amantes = Amë - river-bed, fountain, spring
Epirus was a pure Albanian region. The Greeks called the people that lived in this area barbarian, which means someone that is not Greek.
Greke te lashte. Mbishkrime Greke, monedha Greke, emra Grek, toponime greke, gjuha greke, asnje deshmi qe shqipfolesit jetun aty te pakten ne lashtesi, e pushtum me karl thopin edhe pjeter loshen, gjin bu shpaten ne mesjet epirin aq perni e kena ne tn edhe ka shum shqiptar.
@@Notme17111why is that the ambraciotes who speak Doric aren’t ever called barbarians?
@@Notme17111 Thucydides (Book 2.68)
About the same time towards the close of the summer, the Ambraciot forces, with a number of barbarians that they had raised, marched against the Amphilochian Argos and the rest of that country. The origin of their enmity against the Argives was this. This Argos and the rest of Amphilochia were colonized by Amphilochus, son of Amphiaraus. Dissatisfied with the state of affairs at home on his return thither after the Trojan war, he built this city in the Ambracian gulf, and named it Argos after his own country. This was the largest town in Amphilochia, and its inhabitants the most powerful. Under the pressure of misfortune many generations afterwards, they called in the Ambraciots, their neighbors on the Amphilochian border, to join their colony; and it was by this union with the Ambraciots that they learnt their present Hellenic speech, the rest of the Amphilochians being barbarians.
no epirus isn't gypsyland/albanian ;)
@@wankawanka3053 I heard even Japan was Greek once. Then came the Japanese and kicked the Greeks in the ass and settle in their territory.
In order to talk about epirus you have to go in Albania in the region called Laberia. Only there you can find still epirotes even today. Other things you are saying in the video are bla bla bla .
Hahahahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@napalm-gr it’s not called “north Epirus” it’s called Labëria 😂 😂 😂
@@Trontotario 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nice joke.
@@napalm-gr culture vulture
The Dorian invasion or sea people invaded different group of people resulting in differences betwen Epirus, Macedon and southern greek city states. In the south Dorians invaded the already cultural and advanced Mycenian resulting in urban like societies, and city state organization, considering also the difficult terrain in Greece. In the north it resultad in a kindom like structure. But all have many in common, the language, gods they worship, buildings and culture. Keep in mind this event happened maybe 1000 years or mire before Alexander the great.
Cham Albanians
Greke te lashte. Mbishkrime Greke, monedha Greke, emra Grek, toponime greke, gjuha greke, asnje deshmi qe shqipfolesit jetun aty te pakten ne lashtesi, e pushtum me karl thopin edhe pjeter loshen, gjin bu shpaten ne mesjet epirin aq perni e kena ne tn edhe ka shum shqiptar.
Cham nazi collaborators you mean. Most of them enlisted to nazi volunteer regiments ... Thousands of greeks killed , thousands of houses burned, thousands of sheep and cuttle stollen (albanian experty) , hundreds of women raped etc.... You need more???
@@Notme17111 To an unsuspecting reader it would seem a contradiction the presence of the Illyrian element, as indicated by the presence of proper names on one hand, and the presence of multitude of Greek language inscription, which increase after IV century, on the other. Use of the Greek language is explained by the fact that this language was the language of culture in the Mediterranean world. To prove the view that Greek was not the language of Epiriots, Mustilli refers to Strabo (VII, 326) who confirmed the cultural similarity of the area Ionian Sea and Macedonia, and observed that some of the inhabitants of the area were bilingual. It would be logical to conclude that with this reference Strabo had in mind the area’s people had their own language, otherwise Strabo would have had no reason to distinguish these people from the rest. In other words, Strabo had in mind two different languages. And if we accept Beloch’s vew that Epiriots spoke only Greek, then we have to exclude Macedonian as one of the languages that Strabo might have had in mind, because of its closeness to Greek at this time. As a result we are left with option of concluding that the languages Strabo had in mind were Greek and Illyrian.
In line with Strabo’s information, indicates Mustilli, it would be reasonable to accept the existence of only bilingual centers in the area. Based on the language of the inscriptions, only in Dodona was spoken a local form of Greek language. Other inscriptions reflect Greek variants spoken outside Epirus… thus, that Greek language in Epirus is an imported language. Mustilli followed on this thesis by elaborating that during the Bronze Age, population of Epirus was ethnically different from that of Greek. According to him, at the beginning of Iron Age, populations originating to the north, undoubtedly Illyrian, after settling in Macedonia, later followed river valleys and through canyons settled in Epirus. The presence of this population is proved at least as of IX A.D. Contacts with the Greeks occurred later. At the beginning, these contacts occurred through colonies, established by the shore during the VII century and later. In time, these contacts developed directly with mainland Greece. Eventual Greek infringement did not eliminate the Illyrian presence in Epirus… In actuality, Mustilli concluded., that the Greek population has always constituted a minority in Epirus.
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since when do historians categorize minoans as hellens?
@@bobleesniper ever since the Greek propaganda machine was updated
Minoans WERE Greeks actually 😁
@@napalm-gr If Minoans were Greeks than Dorians weren't and modern greeks have nothing to do with ancient Greeks. The Doric expansion was actually an invasion and colonisation, Minoans disappeared after. They weren't indo European population, probably they were related to Phoenicians. Don't talk bullshit.
@@bobleesniper Phoenicians were also Greeks. Descendants from Phoenicus 🇬🇷🏛️
@@napalm-gr Lol, Phoenicians were older than Greeks. They were Punic population. Wth they teach you in schools?
It’s not a greek land at all and it has never been and it will never be as long as the history is not falsified. Albania land Albania history, Albania culture in the Bronze Age and today even today in greece there are Albaniaias all over long live Dodona and the Albanians.
Greek name,greek toponyms and the albos are nowhere to be found before the middle ages especially in epirus which they invaded 😅
@@wankawanka3053 it’s a boll shit greece was created from western countries to access Asia.
@@Notme17111 if they spoke doric greek. How come the Greek government discriminated Albania language, how come even today in 2024 they are changing people’s names by adding letters. How come they fabricated lies about history because they are scared they know they are fake.
Ok let’s say Epirus it’s greek.
What about Macedonia???
Bullgari must be greek too russia is greek.
Have you seen the Greek flag it’s fake it doesn’t have a history only lies and every day the technology progress the more lies will come out.
@@Notme17111 what about Ilirians, Dardani, Epirus who created them?
@@agimfigura1046The two are not even related at all, Greeks discriminated Albanians because they hated us simple as that.
Ah Molossia the epirote kingdom where Neopotelmus would come to rule and after him Priam's son Helenus would rule.
First 2 minutes and it’s already wrong 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
coping albanian haha
@@wankawanka3053 Coping = accepting truth, this is not the truth.
@@Trontotario nah that's just coping 🤣 don't change definition like you try to change history
@@wankawanka3053 And apparently you are the descendent of Plato and Socrates, yeah as if, go back to speaking the Albanian.
@@TrontotarioHe is right, what do you mean"you apperantly are descendant of plato and socrate" The kingdom of ancient epirus was Greek. Greek inscriptions, greek coins, greek names. The early medival epirus was Bulgarian and Greek while the midd to late medival periods it was conquered by us rrotkari. Se kush i shkrujti ato mbishkrime ne greqishten e lashte vetem se je kokar rracist behesh me keq se rracistat pleqt grek.
Epiri is tosk toskane is not grek Shem
Stop the rediculus thinks here. You can not even know how to spell the name Epirus ΗΠΕΙΡΟΣ right
For English press one.
@@Theodoros_Kolokotronis wat is min kollokotrono by the gurri
Forza Flamurtari
Epiri = Shqiptar
Ti je nacionalist, nacionalisti beso qe gjith rracat tjera jan te dobeta edhe rraca jote e forta, nderkohe kemi 0 shpike shkencore shqiptare , demokracin greku, komunizmin gjermani, kapitaliizmin skocezi, nacionalizmin italiani, Motorrin anglezi, internetin amerikani, algjebra arabet, alfabetin Egjiptianet etj ku jane rraca superiore e shqiptareve kullosim dhite ne edhe rrim kshu mbas bythes se tjerve duam pak kredibilitet edhe ne se u mbytem ne burgjet e anglis.
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Ti je një i smur rracist fashist që urren ATOKTONËT E ILIRIS PELLAZGE= SHQIPTARËT
ju u munduat ta tregonit prrallën si të vërtet
Por prralla ngelet prrall
Edhe ksaj prralle i erdhi fundi
Shko pyeti prindërit e tu flasin Shqip
Nëse jo çdo rrac tjetër në iliri janë ardhacak refugjat
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaMe trego nje mbishkrim pellazg qe deshmon lidhje Shqiptaro-pellazge rrotkari apo boj gam gam ketu si i papunsum qe je qija robt jan karos gjith popullsia shqiptare, bon si historian e sikur bota sillet rreth nesh kokloqe.
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaMtrego 1 vetem 1 shpikje Pellazgo-Ilire palle kari se kena qen me heret se sllavet ne ballkan nuk ka rendesi kur sheh notat pisa e shqiptareve me te dobtit ne europe per zgjuarsi, 0 SHPIKJE shkencore shqiptare XERO.
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaIliret edhe pellazget nuk kan lidhje fare me njera tjetren ca karin thu, Iliret ishin kulture tjeter tansisht.
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The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes.
To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin.
Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries.
Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek.
Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts.
In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
Helins do not come in history until 800 bce,so ,all greek you mention is lies. All races of epirus is pellasgians,not helins.
Hellenes were always existed you Albanians never existed at ancient times you dont have history all of Epirus is Greek
Μost Greeks are indigenous people in this lands and not "Indo- Europeans" as the greatest and more full anthropological study about the ancestry of Greeks by professor of anthropology and history Ares Poulianos has shown in his book " The origins of the Greeks" and his others books from decades now, but some (not all) anti- Greek propaganda or gnoseological errors and stereotypes keeps going. This is the most scientific and full scientific study that exists until know on the subject (I repeat : it doesn't exist an equalevent study on the subject of the ancestry of Greeks in the WHOLE WORLD except of this of Ares Poulianos and his team. He is the only that has tested so many skulls from Greece, and presents the outcome of his search and studies the scientific anthropological way and with historical also help and other sciences, to the world community ) , based on hundreds or thousands bones and skulls of Greeks that PROVES with scientific data that the Greeks are for the most part indigenous people on this lands from very deep mythical times, and thousands of years as the ancient Greeks themselves believed (this study is better and more accurate even from DNA studies, for different reasons because dna studies can be too general many times and this creates some problems, they have some drawbacks, when skull studies of every race shows many times more precise or reveals better some characteristics and can be more useful many times ). His study also shows and proves with scientific FACTS that modern Greeks are the same race with ancient Greeks. You can find his book and study it to learn (I think it must be have translated in English language too). Albanian nation is a modern nation. There was no "Albanians" at that times. Greeks are ancient nation and the first nation in the world. So any comparison for this and many many other reasons to mention here, is just for laughs... Pelagians are the ancestors of ancient Greeks (the ancient Greeks of the ancient Greeks). They are Greeks too. As exactly the ancient Greeks believed. If some Albanians are Pelasgians then they are Greeks - in some way - too (not the other way around)
Stop all of you people from different countries trying to steal Greek history or lands. Why don't you find someone else to steal and appropriate their history ? (rhetorical the question) You find common elements with Greeks just because we have the greatest and most impactful nation and history in the world and not the other way around (it is so simple and self evident only from that. Otherwise you wouldn't all try to steal Greeks or appropriate their history, culture as something "yours" etc. )
800 BC is for laughs, anyway. Even if someone fully accepts the Indo European theory the presence of Greeks in Greece is (at least) from 2000+ BC. Thats what Indo - Europeans theorists themselves say. But the truth is other. Most Greeks are indigenous to this lands. Aris Poulianos says that even the so called "Indo European" in reality are prehistoric very ancient proto- Greeks , Greek Mediterranean type (anthropologically speaking), that migrated from the Greek Mediterranean and general Aegean / Mediterranean space to other European and Eurasian lands thousands of years before. (It is debatable if things are exactly as Poulianos says on this subject but he has defently some strong and serious points and very serious scientific evidences, that one must count in his studies)
The sure thing is that what they call Greeks is just the mix of those who call "Indo Europeans Greeks" and the indigenous people lived here before, the first Greeks or/and just mix of Greek tribes from northerner parts of Greece to the more "mainland" Greece.
Most part are Indigenous to the general Greek space. That in antiquity or prehistoric times was beyond the modern Greece. Some academics they do an arbitrary designation between those ppl lived here before and some that is supposed that came here from somewhere else and those are supposed to be "the Greeks". But why those that lived before here are not Greeks and only them that came are "Greeks" they don't tell us and they don't explain to us ! Simply because all this are just bs! ( in the begining with the same logic this is what they were telling, and they didn't count the Mycenaean as Greeks, because they have continue with the same scientificism dogmas and prejudices )The archeological and other data doesn't show anywhere that some ppl came from outside of Greece and those " are the Greeks". What they show mostly is that some indigenous ppl to this lands migrated from the more northern parts of Greece to mainland Greece and mixed with those. Not they they came from somewhere else. The findings that shows a change that happened in the prehistoric times, doesn't necessarily mean that some people that we must call those "Greeks" (and the others are not ? And what they are ?) and fighted with those tribes here before that "are not Greeks" (with what logic ? ) . A great change happened also in the biomechanical revolution in the 19th century , this doesn't mean anything alone. The modern evidences and academics themselves say that all this theories are problematic and doesn't explain much things, it is very probably they say this that seems as a war of tribes was maybe from a great political revolution...and or social revolution and changes that happened in Greece and not necessarily a war between some supposed Geeks that migrated here and some other "non Greeks" (or just wars between the local indeginous ppl). And this in fact is closer to truth, if one study without prejudices the history of the Greek space that shows an organical connection and continuity . The changes that appear as "sudden changes" in the prehistoric Greece, are just political and social revolutions and developments that happened in Greece, as when from the "dark ages" of bronze era comes out the classical Greece (with the same logic before the foreign historians thought that because we have a change in Classical Greece this means that "someone came from somewhere else", because they have always in their mind the "Indo-European " narrative. Then as we said was proved (as it would needed much mind one to understand that no Greek civilization we meet in any "Indo European" "land") that this changes are just developments in the Greek space, and tha the Mycanaens are Greeks (you must at least know this basic historical facts, before do anti - greek propaganda) The archeological data shows some major changes in the culture but not that this change came necaisairly from an exoteric cause. And we know that because those ppl lived here before - let's say an example - have the same burial customs in 2500 and 3000 BC, are the typical prehistoric "Greek type" that one finds in all Greek space and later. When this supposed "Indo Europeans" came to Greece ? Why the Indo-Europeanists doesn't say us ? It was 2000 BC, 3000 BC . When ? In the beginning they where saying around 1000 BC, then when was proved that Mycenaeans are also Greeks (as we Greeks we were saying) they changed their mind . Their is not data for what they call and how they mean all that. Then because the evidences doesn't support their theories and how they mean all that, they say that those came in "waves" (just bs!). Even if those came in waves this doesn't mean are the "Greeks" and the others , the indigenous ppl to Greece are not. All this tribes together is what consists what we call Greeks and Greek civilization etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhus_of_Epirus
Very soon the northern Epirus will become Greek again forever and the Albanians will return to the Caucasus where they belong.
Ooooh scary 😂
@@southepirote7676 Shhh,silence
@@Sickboy-oe4qf Keep crying ultra cringe Greek nationalists 🇬🇷🤡
@@southepirote7676 I guess you are the one who is crying.
@@southepirote7676 hahaha greece has taken northern epirus from useless albania many times , the italians and nazis were your saviours in all those cases but they won't be there for you always 😆
Greece better History, best citys, best Kingdoms
The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times.
During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock.
After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed.
Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers.
The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well.
Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them.
So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece".
Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization.
This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in.
Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail.
It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece").
There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above.
One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all.
By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today.
Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it.
Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing.
All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them.
The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today.
same can be said for your analbania genius 🤣
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Thanks to Wanax Tv great job as always. Regarding the rest to commeters stop this idioticy, nor Greece nor Albania Existed back than, applying modern notions of Greece and Albania which are modern states with modern borders to bronze age and archaic times city state as epirus is moronic from any point you view it.
Greece always existed from bronze age Albania not, now go to learn some history.
Tcamikos Epiriote 🇦🇱
Greek state not Albanian learn the basics
Tirana is Greek even Edi Rama admits it.
Athens is Albanian
@@southepirote7676 Tirana is Greek Analbanian bot.
@@Sickboy-oe4qf Athens is Albanian. Cry about it GrANALreek
@@southepirote7676 Why should i cry since i know the truth?That Athens and Tirana are Greek states.
@@southepirote7676Κeep copying what i say btw, you prove more that you are Analbanian bot and not a human.
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every ending with an - os, means osht, është or in ancient...do not mass with fake histories. It's not good for the mental health.
Albania never existed as a state.
ILLYRIAN,EPIROT, THRAK,MACEDONIA ARE THE SAME BLOOD...PELASGYAN (ALBANIAN) BLOOD....OUR KING PIRRO WAS ONE OF THE BEST
All these names that you mentioned are Greek and have nothing to do with Albanians
Albanians never existed you came in the wolrd after 1912
@@Sickboy-oe4qfit’s funny because in 1821 there were these Albanians (arvanites) who were brainwashed into creating a new artificial state
@@Trontotario Arvantes were a small minority in Greece and called them selfs as Greeks they hating Albanians
Never modern Albanian
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All of Southern Epirus belongs to Albania
You are copying what im saying,typical Analbanian without even proofs of what he saying.
Tirana is Greek.
Albanians peoples 🇦🇱
Albanians language 🇦🇱
Albanians tribes🇦🇱
Albanians myth 🇦🇱
Epirus was never ever Greeks
Read Greek ✍️ authors & all 🗺️ maps
Analbanias-Gaylbanians,such a funny thing.
VARNA BULGARIAN CIVILIZATION 1ST GOLD 7000BC
Big lies. Epirius word comes from Albanian language eperm _ upper or high
Albanians have nothing in common with Epirus,Ηπειρος is a Greek word.
@@Sickboy-oe4qf you jiftos from minor Asia have
@@lefisallata206 Albanians origin is from Caucasus so guess who are the real jiftos hahahahah.
@@lefisallata206 You dont have history stop talking,even your country is a Greek state and belonging to Greece.
@@Sickboy-oe4qf ignorant.
It has nothing to do with "Greece" a state created in the 1850s after an independence war fought by Arberor. The lands were always inhabited by Illrian people and that is why Gjergj Kastrioti was named king of Arber, Macedon and Epir.
@@Notme17111 In all the Venetian and Ottoman records, the Arberor were distinguished from all other ethnicities. Spaniards controlled Athens in the 1300 and the actual general of that castle was Arberor. In the venetian records states Northern Arberia and Southern Arberia including all of Morea. The Serbians were not called Illirian ever because they moved in the region in the late 6th early 7th century. In 1350s it was either Bua Shpata or a Sultjot Dynasty who fought and defeated the Serbs in Morea and that is were the demise of that kingdom happened then the Ottomans would not have invaded Morea if it were for the alliance of some Romeli rulers. The Arber both in the north and south were recorded throughout history and Epirote have nothing to do with the "Greece" founded in the 1850s based on the religious affiliation, not blood not language, but religion. It started with Ali Pasha Tepelena, an Arberor who wanted to separate from the Ottomans and the first prime minister of the new founded state was actually his advisor.
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The turk-albanians came from the Albanian Caucasian river along with turks after the byzantine period means after the year 1453 aC and spoke a turkish type language without alphabet and letters
The turk-albanians are not from the Illyrians
@@darladallddoria143 There is no Turk Albanian, the Haplo group Y DNA test have confirmed that Albanians have no Turk affiliation and only .2% Roman. More than 75% Ilirian in every region and there is Slavic percentage as high as 20% in some areas due to their assimilation in the Arberor culture. Now Greeks have a quite high Turk DNA residue, and millions were moved in the early 20th century from Anatolia and in return the Arber were exchanged on the pretexts of being Muslim. Read the facts and stop relaying on religious manifesto.
Bulgarian linguist/philologist, Vladimir Ivanov Georgiev, through application of comparative method, presented, what he thought, evidence for a Pre-Greek linguistic stratum in the Aegean. Originally he held the view that the pre-Greek strata was Illyrian, but came with the view of a Pre-Greek Indo-European or Pelasgian, as he labeled it, an independent member of the family, a new Indo-European language. (Georgiev (1941-45, 1949, 1958a, 1958b, 1966a)
Georgiev pointed out that Pelasgian as by its sound laws a position intermediate between Albanian and Armenian, In his research he attempted to prove his theory with a supposed set of phonemic correspondences some obscure and Greek and and non-Greek etymology and believed that there were connected to the pre-Greek or Pelasgic words. But his methodology was criticized. Hester indicated that “most of the words (which Georgiev had chosen to consider Pelasgic) show only one of the characteristic Pelsagian sound changes. There are only a few words that attest the coherent coexistence of the Pelasgian sound changes in one language and their coincidence by chance is not to be excluded.” (Katicic, Radoslav, Ancient languages of the Balkans, 1976) p. 77)
He also exposed an unconvincing hypothesis about the homeland of the proto-Greek language, defining the area to include, “…Epirus, approximately up to Αυλών in the north including Paravaia, Tymphaia, Athamania, Dolopia, Amphilochia, and Acarnania), west and north Thessaly (Hestiaioti, Perrhaibia, Tripolis, and Pieria.” (Georgiev, V. I., 1981, pp. 156) He indicated that “especially the most important ones (names)…are of Greek origin and they often show archaic Greek features.” It appears that he also is saying there are also less important names that he can’t determine their greenness.
His main contention is that in this area, pre-Greek toponyms are lacking, and most of the existing ones are of the Greek origin. He takes about 13 toponyms, hyddronyms, and oronym’s, without discussing their time context, to prove typical pre-Greek toponyms are lacking, consequently that the area was the homeland of the port-Greek language. He also includes toponym Ἄπειρος whose Greek etymologic explanation has been doubted. Julius Pokorny’s standard dictionary of the Indo-European, derives the term from Ilyrian*epiḫu̯eri̯ō “situated above, highland” from Alb. (e) épër.
@@Notme17111 Can you at least backup your claim it was Phrygian? 🤦♂️
@@Notme17111 you don’t know what you’re even talking about, just become a monk.
@@Notme17111 Pelasgians were not a homogenous people, simply pelagian was a term for the pre inhabitants of Greece (as a geographical term) so it’s a collective term that includes Illyrians, Thracians, and achaens. Strabo 5.2.4 And many have called also the tribes of Epirus “Pelasgian,” because in their opinion the Pelasgi extended their rule even as far as that. And what is special about Epirus and Epirotes is that otherwise from the name Illyrians and Hellenes their name never disappeared, as Albanian hero portraits his race[ in a letter send as a response to the Prince of Taranto who was trying to humiliate Scanderbeg’s people(Albanians) comparing them to sheep
so much coping yet you try to act as if a debunked pseudoscientific theory like the pelasgian one is a fact 😂 where are the pelasgian toponyms in albania ?
@@wankawanka3053 every toponym in Albania is pelasgic cope
Epir = Phrygas =Bregas =Seasideians in Albanian!!
Epir is just an Attic version of Dorian Phrygas!
Epirus is from the Greek word ΑΠΕΙΡΟ
epirus was greek and phrygians were also speaking a language related to greek lmao
@@wankawanka3053
Greek is a limited dialect related to İllyrian 😀
Tirana is Greek.
According to Greek logic, the world is Greek 🇬🇷🤪
@@southepirote7676 Albanians dont exist in the map.
Joniam sea in Albanian language means our sea.
Manipulated history
Hahahahahahah nice joke you propagandist Albo....
@@Sickboy-oe4qf in 1820 census in youanina lived 530 thousands Albanian and 20 thousands Greeks who were expelled from costandinopulos
@@Sickboy-oe4qf do you know that corfu island was populated 100% from albanians, colled suli. Do you know that first Greek parliament spoke Albanian. Do you know that by DNA venizellos dhe metazoa are my 4th cousins. Do you know that epir was called more and ppl that left the area during Turkish invasion moned to Italy and Italians called them greci
@@Sickboy-oe4qf the reason why zionists build Greece was to bring down the Turks and to get back costandinopulos as center of Christians of bizandine empire
@@Sickboy-oe4qf Greeks killed and expelled one million Albaniaas and swapped with ppl from minor Asia. Now this one million Albaniaas became 10 millions and ruling the Turks. God gave them strength and Greeks shit in that pans when face them
Territor illyrians pirro king epir
Cringe.
Ultra cringe Greek nationalist propaganda
Epiri in çameri iliri albani
Epirus is Greek
"In 1258 when groups of Albanians around Dyrrachion (Durrës) were allied with the Despot of Epirus, Michael II Doukas, there was no evidence of Albanians in Epirus."
Steven G. Ellis; Lud'a Klusáková (2007). "Imagining frontiers, contesting identities". Speculum. Edizioni Plus. 37
@@Sickboy-oe4qf to muni tis manashu 😂😂😂😂
@@VangjelCala Poor albo starting insulting against the truth so sad...you can cry as much as you can.
@@VangjelCala This dikias to nimou to exei kanei sfentona... mhn se petuxw eksw thganokefale asximantra thn evapses
awesome video. Nowaday "greeks" can call themselves lucky to have the descendants of the Epirotes as their neighbours
Lol no
@@Trontotario cope
@@wankawanka3053 🤦♂️
Qfsh
@@Trontotario cry me a rivel ;)
Epirus Albania 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Epirus is Greek
"In 1258 when groups of Albanians around Dyrrachion (Durrës) were allied with the Despot of Epirus, Michael II Doukas, there was no evidence of Albanians in Epirus."
Steven G. Ellis; Lud'a Klusáková (2007). "Imagining frontiers, contesting identities". Speculum. Edizioni Plus. 37
Greek 🇬🇷
Half of the Greeks have a dark skin. Greek territory have been under Turk empire for 4 century. Albania for 5 century. Middle East semen is spread all over this territory. We are all brothers now Albanians, Greeks, Turks etc. So, to all sick, Nazi, spending their time making this kind of videos, glorifying their pure blood, self-pleasuring themselves with dreams of what the past might have been wake up because it doesn`t matter. Do something else. People have always diffused. Cheers from Albania.
🇬🇷🇬🇷💙💙☝️☝️
@@miatuk8754 Science has definitevily proven that modern Greeks are mainly desceded from ancient Myceneans and have no turkic ancestry whatsoever... The guy who made the video and owns the channel is not Greek btw...
No,, all the Greeks have white skin 1 and 2 colour..
The turk-albanians and turks have dark skin and Greeks are not brothers with turks and turk-albanians
@@darladallddoria143 But you are a Nazi.
"Comparison between ancient DNA and modern DNA suggest that the Greeks are descendants of the Mycenaeans and that only a small proportion of the DNA in living Greeks come from later migrations to Greece."
sciscape/modern-greeks-decedents-ancient-mycenaeans/
E pirros means land of pirros
Pi rro means drink and live in albanian.
And Albanians claim everything is albanian because it is true.
There was one big race before tribes or state of Europe were created that was the pellazgians,, eipiri was one of this same race tribe, so was lllyrian and more,, and this same race started war between them because that was not else to fight, to create different identity, by starting to create a new language and religion.
The Albanians has kept the original of that kind and it is a tresor to humanity, and it it deny because because it means that you'll have to to rewrite the history that you've been taught, which is a lie..
One of this case is the Greek one. Means that, this so called state of Greece, that is made less than 200 years, but history has given the real history of thousands of years, and they name it Greek.
And been Greek it means to be a orthodox, and speak geek language, witch is technical language,change tree times since it's formation of the Greek state. The real ancient Greek language is albanian, and can easily be translated in geg albanian dielect... Well that's the truth, from someone from planet earth, a passionate about real history.
Albanians have nothing in common with Epirus lul
"In 1258 when groups of Albanians around Dyrrachion (Durrës) were allied with the Despot of Epirus, Michael II Doukas, there was no evidence of Albanians in Epirus."
Steven G. Ellis; Lud'a Klusáková (2007). "Imagining frontiers, contesting identities". Speculum. Edizioni Plus. 37
"Rome had even defeated A PROPER GREEK KING when they outlasted Pyrrhus of Epirus and drove him out of Italy."
RONALD MELLOR, THE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN GREEK AND ROMAN IDENTITY, p.96
I reported this for misinformation, add a disclaimer alternative history.
Sure you got right information, was this a zionist plot to hide our Illyrian-Pelasgian- spirit. Truly they hate us....
Si femi dy vjecar pse epirotet jane grek do qaj une, ik o lale futju shkences na shpik naj gjo na fut ne shqiptareve nlist sa na myten budallejt. Rinia sotme drog e drog ngelen.
hahah thanks for confirming that you are just that much of a loser , being albanian of course is a loss by itself🤣
@@wankawanka3053 Albania is a beautiful country with Underrated history, Serbs are Russian Nomads lol 🇦🇲❤️🇦🇱
@@artsakh_is_armenia1 fake country with fake history lol
so much crying from ya hahah