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- Pelasgians, or Pelasgoi, were extensively mentioned by the ancient Greeks in various contexts and capacities. However, the background and origins of these peoples, as well as how their relation to the Greeks themselves, remains enigmatic, as even the ancient writers offered different and sometimes contradictory theories and definitions. In this video, we talk about the Pelasgians.
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If you include archeogenetics in the discussion it's pretty obvious that Pelasgians was a term to describe a part or all of the Neolithic population of Greece before the mixtures with the Greek speaking protogreek tribes
I would say that it is very possible. It's reasonable to theorize that Pelasgians were somewhat of a synonym for "old peoples" judging by the many context in which they were used to describe Achaeans/Argives/Danaans, or at least give them that very ancient or autochthonous lineage.
However, there are other mythological peoples that were similarly used to describe very ancient and mythical ancestors, most notably the Leleges.
@@WanaxTV that's why i wrote "a part or all of the Neolithic population"
Pelasgians,leleges etc as terms describe the people of that era(they may describe different area, different waves of immigrations etc)
That's why there is no definite opinion about their identity or origins
@@Chrxstos recent publication in nature magazine with the title : Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans by Iosif Lazaridis (Harvard uni) addresses this claim from a genetic manner. The neolithic pops, was admixtured with Mycenians but not minoans (minoans having influx of anatolian genes solely, while mycenian with also siberian ones in 5-16%). Check it if u like
@@ioannisnikolakakis8531 lazarides didn't said that exactly.
His study proved that minoans and Mycenaeans were almost identical genetically (the vast majority of their DNA comes from Neolithic Anatolian farmers and Caucasus Hunter gatherers)
A minor EHG/Steppe part in the mycenean DNA is the difference.
🤺☦🇷🇺No. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, west Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
Interesting video.
I'm from lemnos and here we all are aware of our pelasgian heritage
How do you prove the connection?
Those who today call themselves Greek have NO relation to the PELLAZGES.
The genetic traces of Pelazgs have disappeared and no one can say, even with a DNA test, that it is PELLAZG
@@intelliGENeration by speaking from their golden dawn fascist ass 😂
@@intelliGENeration Όταν κάτι είναι ριζωμένο για χιλιάδες χρόνια στην φυλετική μνήμη, δεν χρειάζεται να αποδειχθεί.
@@user-qq8it5if6y How about a DNA test? When modern pseudo-Greece was found, less then 10% of the population knew how to speak Greek. The rest were Albanians, and a few Romanians, Bulgarians and Turks.
Please, do your DNA test, and then we talk about "1000s of years" ☺
Love this channel
Hello, could you also have somewhere in your videos specific citations of where in the works if the writers you mention are the references you make (for example in the subtitles)?
*of the writers
Hi Jack. Yes, it would probably be more pragmatic for me to add it next to the sources in video description. Perhaps something that I could start doing from now on.
@@WanaxTV Put the sources up, but today due to the interest of the subject me and a friend did a bit of crosschecking. All legit. Even a publication in nature magazine concerning the subject.
@@ioannisnikolakakis8531Strabo
This was very informative and well done, if I might suggest a future video, maybe one on the Tocharians?
Yes, please! Before the CCP destroys/removes all the evidence.
Great video!
Fascinating! Thank you.
😊
Even today the Aegean and Ionian are called "pelagos", meaning "sunken land".
The Pelasgoi were "The People from the Sunken Land"
There is this concept where in the middle of aegean sea use to be a great kingdom once the sea level raised the lands because sea and the highest of the mountains islands if you see very ancient maps of that region it adds up there used to be land there.
pelasgians are those who survived those who lived in the mountains probably in small settlements
In the region near northwest of Greece there is a village wich has many Pellazgian graves but access is denied cause people protect them.
greece and macedonia hide archeological fonds that connects Albanians to the ancient Balkans people.
Sorry to insist, but the present "Greek -painted" picture of the region is badly falsified. It mainly and till the present days belonged to other people.
@@antonival50 is that a “trust me bro fact”?
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@@antonival50 not should you find a greek theatre or the place that peloponisian war (aprox400 BC) had started!!!
Liked and subbed, yay!!
Excellent video. It is quite interesting that the greek sources frequently quote the Pelasgians together with the Thyrrenians. For instance the pre Greeks inhabitants of Lemnos were Pelasgians according to some sources, Thyrrenisns according to others.
Herodotus wrote that epirotans were barberians and pellasgian too.
Pelasgus was said to be the ancestor of the Pelasgians which is where they get their name.
Pelasgus, an Argive prince as son of Poseidon and Larissa, daughter of the Pelasgus, son of Triopas. Together with his brothers Phthius and Achaeus, they left Achaean Argos with a Pelasgian contingent for Thessaly. They then established a colony on the said country naming it after themselves: Pelasgiotis, Phthiotis and Achaea.
Pelasgus is also said to have been the ancestor of the Tyrrhenians through the following lineage: Pelasgus - Phrastor - Amyntor - Teutamides - Nanas. In the latter's reign, the Pelasgians were believed to have left Greece and to have settled in a new land that later came to be named Tyrrhenia.
@@funkyfiss Greeks indeed coexisted with Pelasgians even in later times Greeks repelled Pelasgians and they fled to Italy.
@@user-lz6es6eb4d They were both Greeks, just different tribes. Greeks have been fighting other Greeks since the beginning of history. Even Xerxes exclaimed in suprise "these Greeks are crazy, all they do is fight each other and now they want to fight me too!"
@@funkyfiss To be both Greeks means that have the same language , ethics, origin e.t.c Herodotus spoke of the barbarian language of Pelasgians. We have the tablet of Lemnos which written language means nothing in Greek. Dionysios Alicarnasseus , Ecateus of Miletus spoke for their different origin. At the end Greeks repelled them form the country! So Pelasgians, even to my reserach coexisted with Greeks and they are not the only the pre-historic people of Greece , although they are not Greeks.
Wonderful video. 👍
Greetings from Athens.🔆
Thanks Takis!
🤺☦🇷🇺Yes, but that's not the end. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
I wonder how many of the named groups are not 'proper noun' names, but either descriptions of where they lived, or what they did, or attributions to temporal leaders or even assumed traditional/historical leaders, or battle-generals. In the same way as the people who were called Argonauts because they sailed in a ship named Argo, whether or not the sailors were from Argo City; or where pelasgians only means those who live near the seas, in which ever region they are, although some would be Mycenean pelasgians, and some would be cretan pelasgians, perhaps?
Nice. I’ve currently been looking up info on the Pelasgians. I wanted to know more about Greece before the Mycenaean civilization.
Minyes, good start
Go deep and you’ll going to have the surprise of your life 😜
Robert GRAVES Classical Myths books one and Two. Graves mentions the Pelasgians as Dolichocephaly type skulls . That is long faces and long narrow skulls. you will see such faces on the streets of Greece . Petros a name found in the Illiad was mocked by the Greeks for his long head.
Im beginning to suspect Socretes was also Dolichocephaly(African) also, even his sculpture all seem to indicate he had a massive head.
Very informative video. Your documentaries are a gift
Thank you! Glad you like it.
Wrong ????????
Pelasgians was Ilirian ,Albania people ,stadi histori e,no politic
I agree with the Pelasgians were the pre-indo european culture of the neolithic period.
Early bronze age
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Hi! How do you know with certainty that they were pre Indoeuropeans? We don't know that yet because we have no data on their language, no inscriptions. Scholars are questioning whether they linguistically were native Medditerenean pre Indoeuropeans or in fact a proto Indoeuropean nationality that entered the peninsula the earliest.
@@dionysis5162
I think it has to do with many loanwords from a substrate language in Greece.
Scholars don't know from where the word Labyrinth even came, and the same can b applied to several nams of deities and locations.
Words like:
arákhne - spider
kántharos - beetle
labýrinthos - labyrinth
pýrgos - tower
thálassa - sea
Héphaistos - Hephaestus.
There are no cognates outside in any IE languages.
🤺☦🇷🇺Yes, I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
You nailed it at the end. The Pelasgians were what the later Greeks called the pre-Greek indigenous inhabitants who were there when the IEs began to arrive and began to become Greeks.
Rhapsody b iliad . Should you read it I ll offer you an other written documented source
pelasgians were probably indo-european speakers themselves of the Anatolian branch
Indo-European is a german theory of the 18th century questioned as Germans have a certain aproach to the society. Should one read ancient sourses as for instance iliad rapsoduly b one may find out the word pelasgian Hellas or hellenes ( greek is a roman aproach towards the abovemention tribes like it or not as texts put it down in BLACK AND WHITE. A requirement is needed. Knowledge of greek latin German English or french in fluency in order to study relevant texts sourses signs scholars or historians throughout time
@@RichardEdwards40 Nope. No evidence for a such a conjecture.
@@douglaskingsman2565 In western Anatolia, many toponyms with the "-ss-" infix derive from the adjectival suffix also seen in cuneiform Luwian and some Palaic; the classic example is Bronze Age Tarhuntassa (loosely meaning "City of the Storm God Tarhunta"), and later Parnassus possibly related to the Luwian word parna- or "house". These elements have led to a second theory that Pelasgian was to some degree an Anatolian language, or that it had areal influences from Anatolian languages.[87]
or maybe there were an unkown indo-European branch that arrived before the others. interesting to ponder about
Please, make a dedicated video about the Carians, their origin and role in Aegean history.
At last! I will learn more about them❤
🤺☦🇷🇺You will learn ALL about them now, beautiful Pole💐I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
modern Greeks have nothing in common with antiquity, apart from Arvanites or Albanians to day.
This is totally disinformation, Pelasgians are not Greece never was but you have these scumbags they stealing everything from Albanian history
They can't explain the language so how they was Greece
Pelasgians where NOT drug dealers of cia , italian made "nation" of balkan turkic horde
haha best way to say albanian ;)
But they were not Ethiopians, pedo.philes, homo.sexuals, and not even bla.ck. They were neither orthodox, criminals, nor genocidal ...
AΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟΣ😂😂😂😂
Just because you say that doesn’t mean that it is true. And tell me about that italian made nation again? 🤔 because you greeks are a ruso-mongol made nation because we Albanians and you Greeks share the same DNA but how come we are so different unless one of us it’s really made up. Now let us think , who to trust more . The italians or the ruso-mongols?
@@e.h97 RUSO MONGOLS ARE TODAYS ALBANIANS,JUST LOOK AT THE MIRROR AT HOME, AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN.
I grew up reading, hearing, listening, dreaming of the Odyssey. I knew I would find my Greek goddess one day, and I did. Her family is from Khios yet everyone thought she was from Kreta when we went to Greece. The "akis" ending of her maiden name threw off the Greeks.
Hope she's as much Calypso as Persephone.
Greeks established Christianity for us in Europe and Russia, and rejected the pagan practices - learn from them instead. We Japhetic peoples are no longer pagan. Well...except from most western world today...🤦♂️
@@EasternOrthodox101 The Greeks were pagan until the later Roman Empire.
@@GHST995 That's what I said. Through Rome, they saw the light and redeemed the world
@lionboy4427 Nothing wrong with paganism, all religions are decent and follow the same tenets of goodness and light.
The word PELASGOI probably comes from the words PELAS [near] and AGO [bring, carry] meaning "those who are near" or “those who are coming near”, i.e. friends, allies, relatives.
They where the Minoan civilisation.
There are literally hundreds of substrate words i.e Pre-Greek in the Ancient Greek language, that have been inherited by and have survived in Modern Greek, probably of Pelasgian, or Lelegian, or Cauconian origin (nobody knows):
Λαιμός /lai̯mós/ > Modern Greek λαιμός /lemós/ = _neck_
Σιαγών /siagɔ́ːn/ > σαγόνι /saɣóni/ = _jaw_
Σπόνδυλος /spón.dylos/ > σπόνδυλος /spón.ðilos/ = _vertebra_
Ἀράχνη /ará.kʰnɛː/ > αράχνη /aɾá.xni/ = _spider_
Ἄργῑλος /ár.giːlos/ > άργιλος /áɾ.ʝilos/ = _clay_
Καλύβη /kalý.bɛː/ > καλύβα /kalí.va/ = _hut_
Πλίνθος /plín.tʰos/ = _mudbrick_ > πλίνθος /plín.θos/ = _cinder/breeze block_
Ὄχθη /όκʰ.tʰɛː/ > όχθη /óx.θi/ = _riverbank_
Χαράδρη /kʰará.drɛː/ > χαράδρα /xaɾá.ðɾa/ = _gorge_
Θάλασσα /tʰá.las.sa/ > θάλασσα /θá.lasa/ = _sea_
Θάλαμος /tʰá.lamos/ > θάλαμος /θá.lamos/ = _chamber_
etc
Seriously, this channel is severely underrated. The pelasgians poped up and there it is a hidden treasure of Greek prehistory and even more than that. You look like an archeologist though mate with that kind of in depth knowledge in these prehistoric fact. Cheers. Well done, looking forward for more.
Thanks Ioannis!
It is stunning that ancient Greeks of 500 BC had a memory of a pre-historic people as Pelasgians and recorded their assumed settlements and migrations of 1200-3000 BC. However, in parallel, it is a pity that the saved sources missed the volcanic explosion of Thera,more detailed information on their relationship with Eteocretans before Mycenean conquest and more historic evidence on Myceneans-Acheans themselves, as they often conflated then with Pelasgians and Cyclopes (e.g. pelasgian/cyclopian walls) or placed them in a mythical age of legends and heroes. 😅😂
From Linear B or Hittite records we get no reference to Pelasgians. From the evidence we can assume that Pelasgians were neolithic inhabitants on both sides of the Aegean, who could have spoken an Indo-European language older/different than Mycenean Greek or more likely an Aegean/Anatolian language which got lost as Pelasgians of Argos, Arcadia, Aegealea, Attica and partly Thessaly were hellenised and integrated in the Mycenean culture. Some enclaves may have survived in mainland Greece but mostly in other parts of the Aegean, where they got absorbed by other peoples as Thracians, Phrygians, Mysians and Lydians or the Greeks during the colonisation of the Geometric era.
Hi alps. Good take!
I wouldn't say that it's surprising. Iliad was written down in the 8th century BC which is where we have first mentions of the Pelasgians, quickly followed by Hesiod's works.
From about 1200 to 800 is only 400 years. Plus it's safe to assume that Pelasgians didn't completely vanish in 1200 BC but sticked around for longer, so it's very understandable that they were still in fresh memory, if not even still present in some areas by 800 BC.
400 years without literacy is sufficient time for some stories to divert from the historical facts, but not sufficient for even much lesser things to fade from memory (important kings, wars, events) let alone whole people. 😀
They in fact did remember Eteocretans before the Mycenaean conquest, but only vaguely. Staphylus of Naucratis recorded that Eteocretans were indigenous to Crete, and that Achaeans, Pelasgians and Dorians were incomers.
Other writers and poets also mention Eteocretans as "earth-born" and autochthonous to Crete. There is a myth of Achaean/Aeolian leader Tectamos invading Crete (under eponymous king Kres/Kretheos) and becoming king himself with Achaeans, Pelasgians and Dorian settling the island. Obviously the myth is probably far diverted from the truth, and they only record one eponymous Eteocretan king (which basically equals to zero) but it's not surprising since the actual conquest happened in about 1450 BC.
I'd say it's impressive enough that they remembered that Achaeans were not native to Crete. But that's just a testament of how slowly and gradually the memory fades.
@@WanaxTVYes this is great on its own. My point is mainly that Pelasgians were more accessible to mainlanders, compared to Eteocretans, so their knowledge of what was happening to Crete before 1450 BC is insignificant. Also, a lot has been lost regarding the Mycenean era, as what was saved is epics and legends. Although extremely useful and fascinating, they have a specific artistic niche, so they are not delivering to us Bronze Age history the same way as records from Hittites, Egyptians or Mari. It would be so interesting to find the replying letters of the Great Ahhiya king to the Great Hittite king to understand better what was happening regarding Assuwa, Arzawa and Piyama Radu in connection to the Achaean base of Miletos/Milawanda. We are also missing direct references to the eruption of Thera which must have been the most memorable event (e.g. although we have the Atlantis myth this was used symbolicaly in a political context). Aeschylus gave us the play “Suppliants” which relates to events assumingly from the same century with the eruption of Thera volcano. It is a pity that no accounts reached us even in the form of a play called the “Therans”. And of course, there is no direct reference to any “Sea Peoples” attacking the Aegean and destroying Myceneans (unless the Sea Peoples mostly came from the Aegean and attacked the other lands😉). There are again various myths and passages that may / may not associate with the historical events, as if this mystery game was made on purpose to spark our fantasies and trickle us like a Delphic ambiguity.
Minyes, Eteocretans ? Greek kindoms in middle east? Geometri era? Timaios Plato for a start iliad for a a start and will see
@Wanax TV cretans joined the trojan war with 100 ships. Idomeneas in order to participate had to have a strong army and economy in Crete. Cretans were not the same after thera eruption. Homer is calculated to be ulysses
@@nezperce2767 I am sorry I don’t understand your comment.
I always thought they were related or descended from the Minoans, but so little is known about them. Thank you
🤺☦🇷🇺Well, you were right. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
They were the Minoans, Minoans is a modern name for these people in ancient times they were always referred to as Pelasgians. Their mythology states they started off in the Area of Argos where their cheif Diety was a goddess called Eurynome and her counterpart was called Ophion later she was changed to Giaia and Ouranos. Anyway the first modern man was called Pelasgus and he was made by her from her from "the people who lived in caves" (I personally think this is a reference to Neanderthals) she was then over thrown by her children Cronus and The titans.
Pelasgians are essentially Greek however they followed the old ways of that of Giaia and Cronus and never really adopted fully the new religion of the Zeus and his pantheon. Which is why many ancient writers identify them as Greek but different.
I would also point to Herodotus who when he was contemplating from where the Greeks got their Alphabet from he assumed it must have been from the phonecians because before then Greeks wrote in drawings. Who do we know who wrote in drawings? The Minoans and Pelasgians of course. So they have always been considered Greek.
I would also argue that the scientists working on the Minoan sites have concluded that linear A is the precursor to linear B which we know is proto Greek, they just don't have enough examples and haven't found enough words to fully translate it. They just have so far too little to work with.
@@funkyfiss thank you
@@EasternOrthodox101 I disagree that they are caphtorites. Maybe the Daannans yes their first ancestor was Danus and he did come from Egypt that went to Greece and mixed in with the Pelasgians but they were not the Pelasgians. Who according to Pelasgian mythology they are native to the land of the Pelleponese in Greece and the first modern man called Pelasgus was made by their cheif Diety from " the people who lived in caves".
The Peleset were the ones who went to Egypt, they didn't come from Egypt. We also know through DNA tests of the Philistine graves that those people are distinctly European and we know through Archeology that they were Aegean Greek. So no, they were not Egyptian.
@@funkyfiss No, they were Caphtorim (Kaftiu) - an Egyptian brother race of Pelasgians (Philistines)
I want to ask you one question, the Pelasgians and the Caucasian Albans are the Lazki people, something to do with it? if you have any questions about the language, please ask your questions, who knows the Pelazgian language, I will answer in Lezgian.
old caucasian ar old european all europa old caucasia georgia dagestan chechnia cherkasia🏔️☝️
Well as a historian I have to put up Homer's testimony taking Pelasgians as Greeks for granted.
Homer in his Iliad written in 8th century BC:
Rhapsody 2 , Lines 680-685
Line 681: Pelasgian Argos
Line 683: Hellas
Line 684: Hellenes
[680] And with them there came thirty ships.
Those again who held (681) Pelasgian Argos, Alos, Alope, and Trachis; and those of Phthia and *_Hellas_* (683) the land of fair women, who were called Myrmidons, *_Hellenes_* , (684) and Achaeans; [685] these had fifty ships, over which Achilles was in command.
Argos was the most ancient Greek city called by Homer as :
*_P e l a s g i a n A r g o s_*
So Homer tells us for granted that Pelasgians are Greeks
how do know that Homer wrote the Iliad at 8th century bc when we know that he was the grandson of Tilemahos!?
mund te me tregoni ndonje fakt historik qe te deshmoi per ndonje emigracion ne gadishullin ilirik?
The Pelasgians were the Basques/Atlanteans the cradle of civilization and humanity.
Regarding the Etruscans, the Egyptian priest in Plato’s Timaeus tells Solon that the Atlantians “held sway over the country within the Pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia [Etruria]”.
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If only we trust Plato and take him at his word, a whole new panorama of deep time opens up for us to explore. The Etruscans, it seems, go back much further as such than is commonly believed.
Since we're in the realm of speculation unless some kind of archaeological miracle happens, there are two main factors that have mostly stricken me:
The reference to them being autochtonous - literally birn out of the land, which makes me think of a population like basques in contemporary Europe. Possibly a part of them are the population responsible for those incredible masterpieces of Cycladic art we can see in the National Museum in Athens.
Another suggestion comes from the mention by Dyonisius that they were "a wandering population". Might it be possible they were not as much defined by ethnos as by culture? A little like present day's Jewish people; ethnically, i mean, they might have been Greek, but following different, perhaps ancestral traditions (e.g. ethnically you can be both Jewish and French at the same time).
I know it's probably wild, anyway...
Also apologies in case i misunderstood how Jewish identity works
Indeed the “identity” of people from the Pellg or pellgas, pellazg etc is multi-factorial as there have a commun ethno-culture, they used to have one mother language that subsiste almost the same in albanian language, same symboles that are found in archeological artefacts and the “albanian/kosovar” dna is still present in the same territory since 8000-9000 years at least. So Jews better stop pretending that they are the chosen one lol since there is no such thing and that they better admit that they denied their commun origin with people from the Pellg or Pellasgians as our days we say but it’s not right sort of speak, anyhow the name doesn’t mean the thing so whatever the name u want to give to the authoctonus people of Europe.
You don't have a clear idea because you don't know the language. Πελασγοί means literally Sea people. You can understand that also from the video, where the Pelasgians are living always in proximity with the Sea. These people were living by the Sea. That back in time, entire groups of people were defined by their way of making a living - Sea peoples, Farmers, Hunters and so on. "Mythology" , which back then didn't have the meaning that is given today, essentially an oral history, gives the answers, since it is stated that Peloponnese was called Πελασγία (its previous name) . Also it is stated that Zeus is the God of the Pelasgians, which would had been unthinkable if they were considered barbarians.
Essentially the Pelasgians were the ancestors of the Acheans (= which means people of water) and the Ionians (a name that appears in the archaic period),
Their name derives from two greek words : pelas
(proxima) + gi (land, earth). It means those who live in the nearby land. So couldn't have been greeks. Others say their nomination is an alternative of the name "pelargi" ("r" in the place of "s"), meaning literally storks! Storks migrate too, as pelasgi did. Pelasgi were considered as having lived on earth before the moon was formed! This is the meaning of the word "προσελληνες": "προ"+(της) "σεληνης"= before (the) moon. But the later may have just been a joke, used to describe someone who has been living in the same place for centuries without moving to other lands. But then, how come they were called pelargi, since they used to migrate?😅 😂😂
@@kelor interesting but again it’s not enough. Gi or gji-gja as u mention it means the center, the maternal milk, the foundation, the land and so many others things in albanian, because the Greek word was taken from albanian of course and has a polysémie (many meaning) that don’t have in Greek because it’s not a original language but one build on Albanian and so young comparing to it so you gonna turn around forever and never get nowhere using Greek to understand the pre-antic history. Even Leipnitz the mathematician have said this truth that if you want to know history BC you have to know Albanian language.
To fallow your logic: we have to separate the world in the smallest syllabes and not the other way around to get to the etymologi , so u divide “pe” meaning seing and “larg” meaning far, it means the one who sees far away, but this is not the original meaning again because the word pellg-pelg (one syllable) means the shore, the basin. And life have been developing around the Mediterranean basin or shore.
This is were live began and not in Africa, since so far, the oldest pre-humain found is in the actual Ballkan so yes they literally came from the soil or earth. We still use this expression: burri i dheut, njeri i dheut, meaning le man from soil or earth or the one from soil/earth.
And yet most of the man have migrated everywhere in Europe and then in the world because they mastered shipping (Albanians still are the biggest diaspora on earth) and not the Greeks of course who never have master anything except manipulation history and stealing our culture lol sorry but not sorry.
It was the woman who sustain culture families and all that makes a civilisation were not moving but growing and growing cities and they are numerous prouves again: archeological, linguistic, ethno-cultural (who had a dress,costume that is old for thousands of years and was still the same till the 19th century with all the details describing the story of the family and the region (with variation from one to another) of course Albanians: check Xhubleta and the Plisi that we still wear (the hat that all old statues and drawing has because it was a symbole of freedom and souverainty) and no other population have so much details meaning something. UNESCO underestimated the dress since they think is 4000 BC but it’s much older of course. So funny how Albanian that are seen like the poorest one in Europe have all this rich culture and still are in their lands and keeping all this alive for the truth and not the recognition or fame or whatever. Because we have a hard time imaging that Neanderthal wasn’t a savage who didn’t know anything and didn’t had taste but strangely again the population today who has the most Neanderthalian genes it’s still Albanians. The Divje Babe flut found in Vince-Lepenci which is Illiricum-Illyricum, today Kosovo and Albanian, goes to 58000 BC ! but of course again we are to full of ourselves as moderns to dig more and start recognizing that the oldest population wasn’t just gathering and hunting like savages but they had incredible skills and they have left Goblik Tepe and all the cyclic or cyclopic constructions made of stones all over Europe and the world and so many other prouves that disturbs official history so we just put it on the side and don’t talk about it. We better be less arrogant and more curious, but of course you will go nowhere using Greek just going around without answers if we don’t une the best tool we still have to read the history of our ancestors that is Albanian language still saved by Albanians speakers that are spread in more than 6 countries in Europe and all over the worlds. Where are the Greek speakers of Europe if Greek wasn’t a fake language and was so crucial for our understanding ? They is none outside what have been made modern Greece to serve some political and ideological purpose drove by Europeans aristocracy in the 18-19th century.
You have since Vinca/Lepenci in the Neolithique all the statues, that were probably made my woman, representing the figure of a fertile woman meaning very big body giving birth and this in Gobleki Tepe 10000BC, Sesklo 6000BC (because Celtics were also Pellasgians of course ) and Vinca (still pellasgians) and same representation in actual North Macedonia. Let’s not talk about the symboles that the Vikings and so many other population have kept alive related to the Pellgasians/Pellasgians. Again the oldest place we have discover so far where people had build houses on water is still in Albania, Lin-Lini next to Pogradec, University of Bern.
So yes it’s impossible to get the pellasgians because they were probably the oldest civilisation ever know and the one who had spread out all over the planet and still had this foundation in the Illirian peninsule that was later call Ballkan to erase the heritage of Europe. And now some stupid people would say:we aren’t even sure that ilirian language have existed or is related to the language of the Pellgas, but randomly they are people from more than 8000 years who have been living in Albania and Kosovo and still with all the evidences that a mention and still have the same language all over the area but they didn’t even had a language, it’s so stupide right, doesn’t make any sense. Moderns can’t imagine that the oral transmission is the real one and writing is so new in mankind history because symboles are the expression of the mystic and holy mind and connection to the sacred, not the damaged modern mind who thinks only with conceptual words and try to separate everything instead of getting the whole vision or comprehension.
But anyhow Bal-Ball as in Baltic Sea (ancient Pellasgian were there too and it’s the front head of Europe right), means the front, the fronthead in Albania and since this is the mother of indo-Europeans languages you can’t hide any meaning related to toponymes because all the words that are used for thousands of years all over the worlds brings back to that mysterious and fabulous language that Albanians had kept alive for the pride of all humanity.
So again you are losing your time trying to understand European history with a language like Greek that is a made one by some priests one generations after another and give more misinformations that truth to any interpretation.
You don’t need to know albanian even though it’s a privilege to learn and know it for your own good and comprehension, you can use every time Google translate to check the meanings and albanian explains the meaning of the words that the world keeps inside since is a natural language, and not just the concept of the word but his symbole related to the mystic representation of the ancients who gave us that meaning. It’s a philosophy by itself.
Wish you the best
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I know how proud you feel about your history, but you still have to make it pass through the UNO to be recognised, no matter how hard you try to convince me about your country's antiquity. Again I' not the right person to talk to. Try and find some convincing archaeologists, some precious albanian scripts on stones or marbles, some albanian exibits in renowned museums like in Berlin and Louvre and have your civilization recognised as the oldest in the Balkans (sorry in the name of Louvre that this horrible museum has the statue of the greek goddess Niki, made by he greek sculptor Praxitelis at its entrance, as its most precious exibit, as if this horrible myseum wished to keep albanians at bay). I'd be happy to hear from you again, but after some cultural world congress proclaims albanian nation as the oldest existing worldwide!
By the way it's not only Ball-bal that gave its name to the baltic sea, but also "bar-bar", that gave its name to the bar-bar-ians (as we greeks call the celts etc) .
You know of course that your ancestors used to let their sheep on the look-out for grass in the region of Hepirus, as your thieves still do today, in search of our precious herbs. Our police is very busy in Hepirus, thanks to your thieves! We have to thank you for keeping us awake at night.
Yunnan is a district in China. Yunnan, in turkish language, means "Iones", one of the three greek tribes. Does this mean that greeks migrated to China, too? Is yunnan a greek name only? Or does it mean that there are common names, meaning different things in different languages, like the definition that you gave for the name pelasgi, considering it an albanian name? He? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan
If you can tell what the scripture in sesklo means in pelasgian, I'll believe that you are pelasgian..
BTW gji in albanian may mean "to breed", but it is not the same with the greek word "ghi", meaning "earth". Different pronounciation and different meaning. "Ghi" is an abbreviation of "ghaia" (ΓΑΙΑ, γαια). This was the original word for "earth", in greek.
Even if the pronounciation of this word was the same in greek and in albanian, this wouldn't mean that the word you mentionned would have the same meaning in your language as in mine. Take the word "katso" for example..It is pronounced exactly the same in greek, as in italian. But in italian it has a filthy meaning, whereas in greek it simply means "to sit". It's a verb, you see.
I am reposting this lost comment:
Where the Pelasgians Greek?
Basically through genetics - Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans
Iosif Lazaridis et al, Harvard University press, Journal: Nature 2017 , the answer is there already. Neolithic people mixed with anatolian originated Greeks. So neolithic dna is found on mycenians but in much smaller part in modern Greeks. So in a way they comprise a part of modern greeks also but with diminishing percentage due to recent influx. You may check the paper.
And now if you consider them Greek? Its a matter of perspective, but if the parents of Mycenians were partially Pelasgians as it seems from recent research, I think that we may call them Greek, as they are partially found in genetic signatures of Greeks today. But did the Pelasgians feel Greek? I d say definately no, its too early in history for ethnicities to even exist.
But after all we all originate from the same ancestors, just the time of divergence changes. So whats the point if they are Greek or not :) ? They were people that were mixed with the arrivals and their genes survived today. Many words of them also survived (Pre-Greek ISBN : 9789004279384, 9789004279445 ) and are used today in modern greek. Your choice guys!
🤺☦🇷🇺You never mention what is their y-dba. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 weird bot stop spamming bs 😂
I believe the Indo- europeans that mixed with the Pelasgians were the Hellenes who came down from the Northern Mountains bringing their language and customs including their mythology of Mt. Olympus. They were of a great stature and of blonde hair and blue eyes, unlike what ive read of the Pelasgians, who were a "darker" race and of black hair.
Herodotus, the Greek historian, records that Greeks were heavy eaters of
olives, figs, dates, grapes, apples, oranges and other fare. This noted
historian wrote:
"The oldest inhabitants of Greece, the Pelasgians, who came before the
Dorian, Ionian and Elian migrations, inhabited Arcadia and Thessaly,
possessing the islands of Lesbos and Lakemanas, which were full of orange
groves. The people with their diet of dates and oranges lived on an average of
more than 200 years."
Another Greek, the poet Hesiod, said:
"The Pelasgians and the people who came after them in Greece, ate fruits of
the virgin forest and blackberries from the fields."
Plutarch, the Greek biographer, observed:
"The ancient Greeks, before the time of Lycurgus, ate nothing but fruits."
Much of our history indicates that our ancestors were fruitarians. But, history
books today omit or falsify our past and our fruit-eating nature.
As an idiot that knows nothing , but has the nerve to make coments about a race of people that you dont, none can survive eating just fruit, the reason is known for 1000s of years ,the number one element for nutrition is amido, BREAD ,if you can cultivate weat. Then you know how to produce cheese,preserve meat, and there is the olives and olive oil, main ingredient to all medeteranian, and this is for your complete ignorance,oranges came from china, they didnt exist in greece, only the last 2000 years,😅😅😅😅
Maybe if there is a way to link archaeology, and genetic research…
Question is whether the Pelasgians or Minyans were linguistically related to the native people of Asia Minor such as Troy
Good question. Language of the Trojans is still an enigma.
@@WanaxTV would you do a video about Minyans? I know info is sparse but a video about Jason and Orchemenus would be pretty cool
@@DavidValdezBigWaveDave upvote minyans.
🤺☦🇷🇺No, they weren't. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 alright, I saw your posts around some videos and I'll ask this; Any Church Fathers that talk or confirm these claims?
I wonder if they were of the very early farmer migrations from Anatolia into Europe
Good morning to everyone. You who are now reading my comment, isn't it strange that while this channel talks about Greece, it doesn't have subtitles in Greek? The same phenomenon in the Louvre museum!! More than half of the exhibits are from Greece (stolen of course) and the entrance to the museum has the phrase "welcome" in all languages except Greek. I as a Greek feel sorry for their low level of emotional intelligence which results in this uncivilized behavior.
Because the exponents are not Greek and they now that
Do for Thrace please
thacians of shot of hittites
@@robertolang9684 what?
Any mention of Pelasgians in relation to titans?
Interesting question. I can't think of it off top of my head but who knows. Their eponymous founder Pelasgus was said to be either son of Zeus, or born from soil.
Rhapsody b illiad
Thank you for the very detailed and thoughtful reply!
@BOPEIO GHETTOChaones, Molossians, Pelasgians (a village called Hellas rhapsody b Iliad), Danaoi, Mynies, (subtribe Mycenaeans and Eteocretans amongst others), Thracians (king Oloros - Igisipili Callipoli peninsula), kingdoms that are still in doubt as Trojans (king Priamus uncle of Ajax), Carians, Lydians {Maiones (Greeks) and Hittites final mixture. Finally Phrixus (Elli's brother)- Phrygians a mixture with assyrians
@BOPEIO GHETTO Maiones are mentioned by Homer
I didn't know how complicated of a question this was. I think it's safe to say they were a pre-indo european population who originally spoke in the same language family as the Minoans and Etruscans.
I'm not sure it's safe to put Minoan language into category with Etruscans.
@@WanaxTV There's a book I'm reading - Minoan, Etruscan, and Related Languages: A Comparative Analysis by Dr. Sergej A. Jatsemirskij who makes that claim. He has found some similarities and composed a small dictionary. Yeah, I guess it isn't 100% proven but it's a compelling hypothesis. More research needs to be done; maybe advances in AI could help too.
@@WanaxTV The theory is based on the fact that Pelasgians, Tyrsenians (>Etruscans?), Leleges and Eteocretans represent the same or subsequent neolithic waves of migration from northwestern Mesopotamia to Western Anatolia and the Aegean. Therefore, it is lingustically plossible that they spoke languages from the same language family (…similar as Greek with Latin or German…) or at least the spoke different languages but with shared vocabulary due to aerial effect. Etruscan, Lemnian and Eteocretan, as written in Greek alphabet at historical times, show similarities. However, Eteocretan, as written in Linear A or Cretan hieroglyphics, is difficult to compare and seems less similar when taking into account what has been proposed as reading. So, the situation is still puzzling, but some scholars have the ambition to understand Linear A with such comparisons.
🤺☦🇷🇺Of the minoans, who were their ancestors, yes, but not of Etruscans, who were Greek. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@alps.Correct, but no, they weren't speaking the same language family, and weren't related. Etruscans spoke a distinct Greek language based on Phoenician alphabet, and Pelasgians spoke a distinct Egyptian one. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
I recommend you read a book Dr. Adhamidhi wrote about Pelasgians a century ago
How do you define "civilization"?
You can just Google the definition or something similar but it goes like this:
Civilisation is a team of peoples aka a society having permanent settlements in a specific land having their own language,writing system,laws and rulers
Indeed.
Thank you Αναξ
Typically we follow Hesiod and the Homeric Epics for genealogy and we are spot on , with confirming archeological findings, so Pelasgoi are people from Dodona, Epirus, Greece, older than that the children of the cataclysm
5:00 Achilles genealogy is interesting because his grandfather was Nereus, and his mother is a Nereid. Also, Aphrodite was a nereid in some mythologies. So, does that make Achilles a Pelasgian? That means Herakles was Pelasgian as well.
Who cares? Theses are fictional characters not historical ones
@@EasternOrthodox101It matters out of curiosity and inspiration. Those characters are beloved.
@@cinattra Inspiration? That's how gays talk🤦♂️😅No it matters to you out of Paganism lol
@@EasternOrthodox101lol wut...self projecting much, eh🤣🤣...
Also your bible is plagerised, erroneous and fictitious, to understand it one better reach further back in time and strive to understand the foundations of the ancient beliefs and traditions.
@@EasternOrthodox101 Are Abraham and Moses fictional characters?
Strabo was said that thracians too lived in mainlland Greece Thessaly and Attica. I never knew they were part of the pre-Greek nations. (Strabo 7.7.1)
They were not... if you're careful about how you use the word "Greek", then you'll realize it's all manipulative.
It's like your neighbor befriending the city councilor to insert his won name in your property's ownership documents with the city.
That's how Greece became Greece, from a simple colony in the Peloponnese.
Pelasgians if they existed were the descendants of Neolithic farmers who had inhabited present day Greece since the 6th/7th millennium BCE.
They were the original Neolithic farming population before the arrival of indo Europeans which spread out around 3000-2500 bc after a plague swept through Neolithic farming population which was recently discovered and talked about in scholarly articles. The indo Europeans capitalized on the lack of immunity and cooperative settlements that were susceptible to the plague and combined with horsemanship and wagon logistics were able to sweep in and replace the majority of the y dna lineages of Europe at the time a lot like what happened in North America which colonization. The parallels are uncanny and the fact that Northern Europeans much like northern North Americans have the largest portions of the invading peoples dna is also a pretty interesting comparison.
Another great vid. The origins of these truly ancient peoples shall forever be shrouded in the mists of time. Fascinating how ancient Scholarship itself had great variations on the origins of their ancestors. One thing that always saddens me though is the reluctants of many scholars to accept the fact that European peoples could well have reached civilized by their own efforts. There can be no doubt that the infuelnces of the East were felt but why do people insist that peoples such as the Etruscans in Italy - and indeed the Pelasgians as well as Eteocretans and others in Greece - were unable to advance themselves without aid from Egypt, Asia Minor and the Fertile Crescent?
I think the biggest hinderance to early european civilization was nomadic tribes and warfare. Excluding North America, The steppe and the tropics practically all river valleys develop civilizations. Although civilization obviously radiated out of the Fertile Crescent I think much of Europe would have developed civilizations independent from the Middle East with time.
What's very interesting is disagreement between Herodotus and Dionysus, both from Halicarnassus.
You seem to have the wrong idea. Everything that occurs has a cause. The Ancient Hellenes had forebears & influences as did the ancient Hellenic language, and some of those influences are certainly from the proto-Indo-European peoples of central Asia and Egypt in Africa. BUT, as you indicate, the actual Hellenes (or Greeks as the Romans called them) appeared *first* in ancient Hellas, and so did the Hellenic (Greek) language. All these influences came together to make something new. The ancient Hellenes created themslves - by their own efforts - over time, though never able to forget their distinct tribal origins.
🤺☦🇷🇺Not for those who follow the table of nations. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
correctly
this is done for reasons of geostrategic propaganda. The peoples of Mesopotamia and Egypt had never built open sea ships
On the contrary, the Greek area with its many islands was forced from the Middle Stone Age to communicate between them for transport and trade
Is this from wikipedia?
The theory that Etruscans were exiled Pelasgians is quite interesting!
Since Etruscan script has been likened to Lemnian script it's not too farfetched to theorise that the Lemnian Pelasgians took their culture and script to Tyrrhenia.
Timeline-wise it seems to fit too. Athenians resettled Lemnos according to Herodotus, expelling the natives.
An uneducated guess of mine would be that the Pelasgians may have probably just assimilated themselves with the local Etruscan natives bringing over their technology, i.e. script.
On the other hand...why settle in Tuscany in particular?
It's not theory, you can understand this if you study both languages. It's obvious that they belong to the same language family with Hellenic.
Nice place Tuscany. People are no longer interested in mass movement of peoples, which is a rather Victorian approach. Cultures may develop and there may be elite individuals exiled, etc, but people moving en masse and naming their new country after their ruler is antiquated.
where do you infer something like this? Today we know very well that the Etruscans used the Latin alphabet that the Chalcidians brought to Italy
Their language, although we read it, is completely unknown
@@panagiotis7946 Have I entered the Time Tunnel? The Etruscan language was originally written in the North Italic alphabet, derived from the Greek, but not yet the Latin. There are also Gaulish inscriptions in the NI script. The people of Venetia also used it. While it’s true that Etruscan isn’t easy, there’s numerous texts, such as the Linen Book of Zagreb, once used to wrap an Egyptian mummy. The Greek alphabet, or a version of it with letters later lost to Classical Greek, was adopted in north Italy. It’s like going back fifty years.
@@panagiotis7946 δεν είναι άγνωστη έχει διαβαστεί
The Pelasgians were a civilization that lived on the territory of Romania.
Sadly his father, Priam, mourned for him, not knowing that young Aesacus had assumed wings on his shoulders, and was yet alive. Then also Hector with his brothers made complete but unavailing sacrifice, upon a tomb which bore his carved name. Paris was absent. But soon afterwards, he brought into that land a ravished wife, Helen, the cause of a disastrous war, together with a thousand ships, and all the great Pelasgian nation...The Roman poet Ovid describes the Greeks of the Trojan War as Pelasgians in his Metamorphoses.... Pelasgians were the Greeks themselves.
Possibly the Pelasgians were of a different culture and ethnicity like the Hittites compared to more modern Isaurians and Cappadocians. Later mixed with early Hellene conquerors like the Achaeans, Ionians, Aeolians in their most archaic form. Nice Video!
Thank you. This video was long overdue!
Attend a university course and written documented ancient sourses will produce the answers
Yes, the Hittites were (originally) a distinct Canaanite race, and Pelasgians an Egyptian one. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
Rhapsody b iliad that makes your possibly impossible
hittites were cannanites from caucasus
Pelasgians probably are decedents of people Greeks called Colchis (that people spoke own language and people were related to hittites and Troy people). Place itself now called Megrelia (part of Georgia) was most populous Ice Age refugium. And there is word "Larsi" in that language.
Τι ανοησίες είναι αυτές;
@@cornelsen2974 Sono assolutamente d'accordo con te 👍
Any relation to the Philistines? The Philistines are said to have an Aegean origin.
Name is the only things that is similar
Athens was a city founded by Pelasgians. Certainly the Athenians regarded Pelasgians as their ancestors
The Pelasgians were proto Albanians that spoke a foreign language to Greeks and were considered to be barbaric by Greeks. Greeks are only a mix of assimilated people.
@@southepirote7676 While Albanians are a "pure" nation? Well looking back in history it is much better to be part of "only a mix of assimilated people" than belong to a supposedly pure nation. You see Illyrians were wronged by geography and they stayed in their place isolated by the most, until the Roman Empire. That's a parameter very important in the process of a civilization, Greeks were more lucky, they had access to the sea, so they could trade with Egypt and Anatolia, more cultural references for them. The literature in Greek is huge, yet Albanic language got a scripture only at last centuries. A Bulgarian linguist named Vladimir Georgiev believed that contemporaray Albanic language was formed from 4th to 6th century in Romania together with the Romanian language. It's interesting than we don't find ancient Greek words in Albanic language like we find some in Latin, but words from late Midlle Age. That fact indicates that Albanic language had influences only the last centuries and not before. So maby some people from north and east Balkans like the Dacians some say, have contributed in the formation of the contemporary Albanic nation along with the pre-existing Illyrians of the region. In that case Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians but not only of the Illyrians, so we cannot say that Illyrians were Albanians since there was no Albanic nation back then, it was formed later. Just like Greeks, Albanians have mixed with other nations. It's the same for every nation. If i had to make a conclusion, from what i read, Illyrians were a very ancient peoples and all the nations that were formed later had elements from them, anthropologically and culturally. But we don't have enough vocabulary from the Illyric language and so we will never be sure about that matter.
@@Pados_music There is not one single evidence that proves Albanians originating from Romanian since the Albanian language is Illyrian and has influenced most of Greece. Even the Albanian DNA itself differs from Romanian. Albanian haplogrups are ev13 and j2 while Romanians are i2a and r1a. Whereas Greeks however are said to be originated from Romania. The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes.
To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin.
Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries.
Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek.
Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts.
In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
@@Pados_music Not only you STOLE our Çameria but now you make propaganda claiming we come from Romania? The Balkan nationalist conspiracy theories never end. Interesting since Greeks have more in common with Romanians through religion, language, culture and dna. 😂
@@Pados_music Come...and...take...it 😁
i am really glad that someone mentions the Pelasgians, now may i add an important fact too... in mythology (which later became actual history), Pelasgus was the first man to walk on this planet, he was son of Prometheus, the Titan that sculpted humans (adam and eve myth is probably a copy pasta of this), but probably, Pelasgus was the first man to ever walk this planet after the big cataclysm where the Moon probably abandoned the Earth... he lived in Lykossoura in Peloponnesus, its said that this city is the oldest of all, some say that its 13.000 years old, but since Pelasgus lived and even Trismegistus lived after the creation of the city, its way older... so probably the human race after the cataclysm vanished, and the ones who were smart enough to hide or something survived... Pelasgus was one of them and probably the smartest of them all, as he was half Titan himself... Hellenas and Grekos were one of his descendants (Deukalion's sons, Deukalion was a descendant of Pelasgus too, so yeah)
Why only albanians speak the language of pelasgian today malaka
@@realthebest9029 why no one ancient say illyrians or albanian pelasgian malaka>?
@@nikosmihalo4706 in this time doesnt exist the word greek or albanian malaka
@@nikosmihalo4706 can you respond me 3 questions which till now anybody greek ( let say cauacas) dont respond me
1- who did revolution 1821( arvanitas)
2- conference of London 1913 what happened ( give the Cameria Greece)
3 - why you killed Enrico Tellini
@@nikosmihalo4706 enough with propaganda history, but its not your fault because you grown what your government write in books but you need to read the real history not only what is write in greek books, KATALLAVEZ
Did the aegeain people migrate by sea to the British lands during the neolithic time via the cardinum culture that is what has been said 75 percent neolithic genetics ?
Why no wan mention that the pelasgian language it is still spoken today be the Albanian people.
Because there is no evidence for this. Just a made up story made by Albanians. Albanians speak an IE language.
According to DIONISIOS ALICARNASEUS CLEARLY STATES PELASGIANS WERE A GREEK RACE Originated FROM PELOPONISOS speaking early form of Greek.
peleponezi apo morea
You need a better microphone bro
My god how everyone is missing the link here, and it's not so hard
albanian cahllenge :try not to steal ancient people(impossible)🤣🤣🤣
This is ironic, coming from a Greek nationalist of all people 😂
@@southepirote7676You Really Can't Stand 5 Minutes Without Spread Propaganda And Claim Greek History And Origin Like A Baby Who Wants All The Time Breast Milk 🤣😂
Steal from who exactly?
@@Illyrian-warrior27 who do you think ;) were pelasgian ever present in your country? If you say yes explain why i can't find pelasgian toponyms like argos or larissa?
@@wankawanka3053voi così detti grecci che non avete niente con la vecchia Grecia,volete anche madre Teresa greca😊😊😊😊😅😅😅😂😂😂😂
Though it's been so often said it has become assumed that Danaans = Achaeans, because it *seemed* to be that way in Homer. But many disagree. As in your quote saying the Pelagian name was changed to Danaan "by decree", so a case can be made that Danaans were the term for all Greek-speakers from Hellas and elsewhere, and it was Achaeans only during the last decades of the Mycenaean Empire.
Possible. I'm pretty sure that there was at least *some* kind of difference in terms Achaean and Danaan. Available Hittite texts record "Ahhiya" as far back as late 15th century BC, and they indicate that Hatti were probably aware of Ahhiya existence even earlier. So I wouldn't say that Achaeans was a term used only towards the end, but I agree that the two terms cannot be 100% exactly the same.
I wish we knew what the exact difference was. Perhaps it was something similar to Spartans and Lacedaemonians, where Sparta referred to the actual city and a class of full citizens in political sense, where Lacedaemon was the name of the whole state and a general name for its inhabitants.
Maybe Danaans referred to citizens within the legal framework, or perhaps the opposite? Or maybe there was really a king named Danaaus by whom Achaeans called themselves in addition to "Achaeans"? A lot of possible theories.
What we know for sure is that they called themselves "Argives" because of their core area (Argolis, or even narrower, Argos). So at least we've got 1 out of 3 for sure. 👍
🤺☦🇷🇺That's correct, they were 2 differet races of greeks! will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@WanaxTV Or the Hittites were actually referring to their neighboring Canaanite brother tribe of Hivites
@@WanaxTVMaybe this will give you some answers.
“Danaus,19 who came from Egypt.” (Plin. Nat. 7.57)
“The Peloponnesus, which was formerly called Apia1 and Pelasgia…” (Plin.IV.5)
We call Greece saberdzneti, it is coded like the brothers of the Iberians, the brother of Iberia, that is, it is related to Iberia, I have seen many programs that their language is similar to Spanish and I think that it is similar to Georgian, and Spain is also related to Georgia, for example Basques and Celtic-Iberians. Therefore, I think that the Pelasgians are Iberian people, look at the word, here you can see Las, the same as Laz or Lazet, the same as Georgia, or the Lazes.
i'm a Iberian i know that even before i born that i'm pelasgian , and my seeds comes from kotias Georgia Armenia Iran , take it or leave it , my DNA clues are very clear i only need to follow it like a dog its way home
alexander humboldt , discovered it all but the German fake arians did silenced him ,
For a long time in Georgia, there is an idea that the Pelasgians are Georgian people, this Iberian civilization is very old, it can be said the first, it included Chaldea, Hittites(Hattians), Mitanni and spread over the entire European territory to India. It has nothing to do with Armenia and Iran, they are other people and another civilization, Chaldea was conquered by Iran and that place was occupied by other people as a result of battles, and there are few people left from the Iberian civilization who survived the battles with other civilizations, as well as Spain, Basques and Pelasgians and Etruscans, these are all Iberian people@@robertolang9684
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Minyes or manyes where the first after the last flood to have kept some knowledge
The Pelasgians weren’t indo European and were in fact a pre indo European people. Same with the Etruscans, Rhaetians, Picts, Basque, etc.
Yes, but no - the Etruscans were 1 of the 4 races of Greeks, and the Rhaetians, Picts et. were Celtic tribes
@@EasternOrthodox101 that’s not true because the Etruscans are not a indo European people and there language is unintelligible to its neighbors and people afar, so how can it be one of the Ancient Greek languages? Also the picts were not celts but in fact there own people sharing different genetics from the caledonians and celts of northern Scotland.
@@JulianDuke14 If they carry R1b, they are Celts, if not, tell me their haplogroupand I will tell you who they are. Secondly, Etruscans are 100% European and a distinct race of Greeks. Their language is not understood but they used a kind of Phoenician alphabet just like the Greeks have, and their dna was confirmed to be related to Romans - another distinct Greek race.
@@EasternOrthodox101 I didn’t say they weren’t European but not part of the indo European peoples and language. Secondly, it’s true the picts were not celts but there own people as Roman authors cited the the Pictish language was completely unintelligent from its neighbors and genetics. They are not related to the Romans and Greek that is wrong and history and science has shown the Etruscans are distinct peoples, not to say they aren’t native to Europe and in fact they’ve been in Europe before the Greek, Romans, latins, and other indo Europeans arrived to the continent. If you could prove otherwise Plz list the sources how they are related to the Greeks and Romans. I doubt it
@@JulianDuke14 I said myself that they were distinct people - but a distinct sub-race of GREEKS.
Now, I don't know about the picts, but you didn't mention their y-dna haplogroup, so what is it? If you tell me I can tell you who they are too.
And, NO. They are related to Romans and I will give you the source. But, please don't use those false modern terms like Indo this Indo that. They are wrong and meaningless - there are only modern popular theoretical ideas
SUPERB! I can't help but be struck by the similarity between the name Pelasgians and the (ancient and modern) Greek word "pelagos". If the etymology of "Pelasgians" has something to do with "the sea" (pelagos), wouldn't that make the Pelasgians mean "The Sea People"????? Okay. in legend, the Pelasgians were named after their King. But it is possible that the name did not arise from the King, as the legend says. That could have been a later mis-interpretation.
Hmmmmmmmm........intriguing.
Interesting observation. In Greek mythology, almost every tribe is supposedly named after their ancient king/founder.
The association with Pelagos, the sea, seems to many to suggest the Pelasgians dwelt near to the sea and benefitted from it. The rugged mountains and wild beasts of inland Hellas may have not have appealed to the. (I believe the author, Mary Renault, referred to the Pelasgians in her Theseus novels as the Shore People.)
@@WanaxTV Pelagos comes from IE root "pele2" which means wide,spread. And we are quite sure the pre-Hellenes, like Pelasgoi f.e were not Indoeuropean.
Alexander...
όι πελας :the neighbours
'ο πελαργός- ου stork
'o πέλαγος: the sea
πελαγιζειν
to be on the sea
'o πελαγιος : of the sea
So You can choose the most appropriated denomination of the Pelasgians.
@@ezzovonachalm9815 in linguistics the Πελασγός /Πέλαγος does not satisfy either morphologically or semantically
The Iliad of Homer who was a Rhapsod and cause he was blind his nickname means The poor one , sings about the war between The Pellazgians of Troya(means property or fatherland) and The Achaeans of Pelloponessos.
I thought Homeros meant the foreigner. There is no evidence at all about Homer, not least blindness. There is a blind bard in the Odyssey, which is where that may have arisen,
“The Peloponnesus, which was formerly called Apia1 and Pelasgia…” (Plin.IV.5)
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its correct that Pelasgian and Achaeans were related. Modern DNA confirms Minoans and Mycenaeans were closely related and that modern Greeks are their descendants, If one assumes of course that the Minoans were a Pelasgian people. But Mycenaeans were slghtly different from the minoans they had about 20% of their DNA from northerners who some have connected witth the Seima Turbino culture.
Pelasgians were indeed indigenous Albanian as declared by Greeks to be barbaric. Greeks have originated from INLAND which is they lack seafaring terminology in their language, and what sea based term they have are loaned from Albanian. Greeks are not originally Mediterranean people, the Mediterranean DNA among Greeks comes from Albanians while the original Greek DNA is Balkan. Ancestors of the Greeks lived beyond the Jirecek line most likely originated from Bulgaria or Romania.
Proof that the Greeks came from a landlocked area of the Balkans. Proof that they have with NO CONNECTION to the sea is their total lack of native seafaring words, And the few words the Greeks have for sea related terms are loan words from Albanian.
Epirus and Macedonia were Proto-Albanian territory - the birth place of the Albanian race.
The Minoan civilisation of Crete and the Cycladic civilisation of the Aegean were Pelasgian folk nothing to do with Greeks.
There is no such thing as proto Greek. Greek is a recent invention of European powers and are a mix of Albanians, Slavs Turks and Italians. Greece was originally Pelasgian territory before the arrival Greeks from north of Jirecek line. DNA tests show that Albanians are indeed Mediterranean and native in the region whereas Greeks are less Mediterranean and most slavic.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse nope, Albanians always existed and were mentioned under the pretext Pelasgian. Later Albanoi, Arberi, and finally Shqiperi. But there was no such thing as Greek in antiquity. That's for sure.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse The difference between Greeks and Albanians is that Greek is a religious entity while Albanian is an ethnic entity.
@@southepirote7676 The Proto Greeks originated from the Orestian Highlands of North western Greece which is. Epirus and Macedonia. That is regarded as proto Greek territory and was the birth place of the Greek race and the Greek language,
Some proto Greek tribes migrated south as Dorians around 1100 BC and were absorbed by the Mycenaean civilisation, and Pelasgian Cycladic civilisation and Minoan ciivilisation which were indigenous to the Aegean basin.
Those proto Greeks that remained in the Orestian highlands became the Epirotes (Mollosians) and Macedonians.
The arrival of the Dorians in the south of Greece and Aegean basin caused a fusion of the Proto Greek and Pelasgian (linear A) languages and Linear B (Mycenaean).
The Greek language is thus a fusion of Proto Greek, Linear A and Linear B.
Modern Greek therefore has many words of Pelasgian origin which are found in Greek words of 'th;, 'nth; 'ss' and 'tt' string sounds.THALASSA the Greek word for sea is thus a Greek word of Pelasgian origin as it contains the typical Pelasgian string sounds of 'th' and 'ss' as do many Greek place names such as the Minoan city of Knossos, Athens etc
@@southepirote7676 More seafaring words of Pelasgian origin VATHIA THALASSA (deep sea) containg Pelasgian th and ss string sounds
Sorry to disappoint some people but
Pelasgians were Hellenes or related too
@@Alba11111
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Sorry to disappoint you but Greeks are not Hellenes and Pelasgians are pre Albanian people. This documentary is made by a Greek nationalist.
@@southepirote7676
Sorry to disappoint you , but History is History and I’m afraid
you cannot Change it
@@dp6003 "History is written by the winners" - Winston Churchill
@@dp6003 You do realize the guy speaking here is Greek right?
And Strabo wrote Pelasgians may come from Colchians
As for Herodotus, he speaks about DIALECTS not languages. Achaean, Doric, Pelasgian, Ionian, Aeolian were all dialects of the Hellenic language.
Furthermore before the classical era, there were 14 different but VERY similar Greek alphabets. 14!!! One of them, the alphabet of Chalkida, became later famous as “latin alphabet” because it was adopted by the latins
Facts. 👌
Cretan dialect Minoans Minyes etc
The mother language of Europe is Albanian bc only Albanian language can be used to described perfectly the meaning of Greek gods n goddesses n even u can understand the meaning of some ancient Egyptian gods. The indo-European language is a bs made to hide the fact that Albanian language is unique in its own ways bc it is rare for a language to keep their roots intact. I have learned both Ancient Greek n Latin never have I found connection to Albanian language.
@Elma bull crap by illiterate ignorant uneducated unhistorical thickness as a brick headed shepherds. A mainly only spoken lang wit double consonants at the begining of words that adopted the aeolian Chalkidic alphabet while the first written albanian dictionary ordered by the French ( exhibit by the the French nowadays) written in Greek by a greek. No monuments no signs no words in any other lang rather than adopting words from greek Turkish ( arabic) latin slav out of poverty as primary functioning in a poor established small community. Books to read is not enough. As the only book you may read is simplified with pictures in it. The only way to get to a university believing the above mentioned is by acting as janitor
@@elma4574 you are mistaken in half the things you say
Mar 8 , 1023
Pelasgian are the illyrian and the albanian🇦🇱🏛
Hellen came from africa
Ok fatmir , volodimir , festim , aglendin , ali , alifet , bledy ,dony , donky , ha ha you have pelazggggggg names hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !
@@Aviator_361 hellen in albanian means yll-hen (star moon)
I don't know who the Pelasgians were but one thing is certain. Ancient Greeks being the only people in this whole area who wrote down such an extensive history about everything possible, has became the reason fro any nationalistic modern group from the fck Balkans to make all sorts of theories....I meanxthat was not why thry wrote things down. Sad
We know that you don't know, faceless bot, so why comment?🤷♂️Leave it to the ones who DO know. Let me educate you👉
🤺☦🇷🇺I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 Being called a faceless bot by a nonsensical conspiracy theorists is a new level of the fckup situation we live today.
No pal you don't know, you have absolutely 0 knowledge of this issue of any other issue in general! Lol
@@EasternOrthodox101 DNA tests proves that Cretans of the Bronze age have a 85% genetic similarity with the Acheans of the same time. Please do your research and you 'll find this out.
I now understand from almost all comments that the ancient world was Greek. Even before Helenic or call it pre-achean times again, it's all Greek. It's all dialects and on and on. Repeating theories that are after all theories. No effort is made for critical analysis at the commentary level. Hopefully Profesional historians will finally come out of this 19 century English-Great-Greek Himera. It has been more than a century repeating old thesis and expanding in self righteous dreams even if new evidence has emerged or new theories based on careful new reading of old autors has been established in logic. But of course honorable leaders of historical established are often the greatest barrier to historical science. History has proven to be a shades of gray like live it self. Exclusive nations are just patriotic dream.
First humans in Europe were "I" chromosome carriers coming to Europe around 50 000 years ago, second were R1b and R1a carriers coming around 16 000 years ago and mingling, so they might be the Palasgians, but since they were hunter-gatherers and moved a lot around its hard to pin point them. Other possibility is they might be a genetically related people to Greeks from Anatolia "J" or "E" haplogroups that came around 8 000 years ago or alternatively some of the other groups like "G" haplogroup, most likely in my opinion, or any mixture of the above. We still don't have genetic tests from classical Greece, which is a shame since its one of the most interesting areas. But we got one from Mycenaean times and they were "J" haplogroup carriers mostly, before them studies suggest there were mostly haplogroup "G" carriers. Maybe in the future such questions will be resolved, I can't wait for the tests from classical period.
1st, "oi" is pronounced as an "i/e" in greek, so, the Pelasgoi are pronounced "Pelasgi"...
2nd, from mythology, we have the story of Inachos, an Argolis-region-resident: His successors left Greece, and came back 5 generations later, when an old curse hit them (the curse should hit their 5th generation after Inachos, specifically the branch of his daughter Io, in order to spare Inachos´ nearest successors, like his beloved daughter Io), as the curse led to lack of options. One of the promises was, that if they flee back to Greece, all Greeks would be named after them, just a couple of generations later. The leader of the successors was named Danaos, so, the promise was, that all Greeks would be soon called Danaoi (pronounced Danai, also nicknamed Achaioi, pronounced Achei), if Danaos would return to his grand-grand-grand-grandfathers´ lands in the Argolis.
So, it might have been, that the Pelasgians aren´t a different race than the Danaoi, but the same people, where simply a leader-figure left Greece, and his successors returning several generations later, re-establishing their rule and influence, and their subjects adopting their leader´s name, a new name. The same myth explains partly the descent of names such as Egypt, Libya and Lykia (=southwestern Asia Minor, also greek back then): Egyptos was Danaos´ twin-brother, and Danaos had to flee Africa, after the curse hit the twins, and Danaos lost the battle against Egyptos, he chose to go back to Greece. Lybia was the grandmother of the twins (the 3rd generation of Inachos´successors). Lykeas was the husband of Danaos´ oldest daughter, who had to flee Argolis, after having trouble with her 49 sisters (Danaides), probably fleeing to southeastern Asia Minor, and establishing Lykia (that´s an assumption of mine, since Lykia has the exact same geographical length as Argolis, across the Agean sea, and as such, is the nearest place to flee to).
It´s a myth chronologically rooted in a time when other myths weren´t "invented" yet, and where the Argolis was still a pretty uninhabited region, cause not that many humans existed yet (the entirety of Argolis belonged to Inachos, that´s a huge region for a single person, and suggests, that humans were few and far in-between)... It´s a myth that comes just after the genesis of the world and the birth of mankind (at least when it´s about its chronological period within mythology, even if the myth itself was "invented" after the rise of other known myths, which is almost impossible to prove, on the other side), and it´s clearly the myth of the genesis of Greece (after the myth of the genesis of the world, and of mankind)...
In the myth, it is stated, that Inachos was Pelasgos´ father, and the myth refers to such an old age/era, where it´d be reasonable to assume, that the Pelasgians were still the predominant tribe (since he was one of the first inhabitants of the pelasgian core-region), if not even the only tribe. From Inachos descends the word Anax, in latin/english "Wanax"=king
not the same people. Pelasgians ware thracian tribes that has nothing to do with the greeks.
second, the full story of the "myth" you are describing is that danaians came to seek refugee with their fleet, and the islands around ware given to them. they have decieved the pelasgians and took their land by force. the danaians ware actualy one of the "lost jewish tribe". yes they have come thru Egipt by they ware actualy from Ethiopia.
@@VES.Did the descendants of the Danie travel to Ireland or Danemark/Denmark?
Yes they were absolutely Greek. Homor confirms they were Greek and many ancient authors also say that the Pelasgians were considered Greek too in ancient times.
The Myceneans were a Doric tribe started by Hercules. The ionians came before the Dorics and were also Greek and before them the Pelasgians who were also Greek.
In modern scholarly: Mycenaeans usually refer to all Greeks of the Mycenaean Greece.
In ancient times: Mycenaeans only referred to the inhabitants of the city of Mycenae.
In both cases, Mycenaeans were Achaean, not Dorian.
@@WanaxTV I disagree, even in Homer they are mentioned as Dorians who had already taken over parts of Crete.
Dorians started off as The Heracleidae, descendants of Hercules.
I would also argue that When Herodotus is pondering from where the Greeks got the Greek Alphabet from. He assumes he adopted it from the phonecians because before that Greeks were writing in pictures. Who do we know wrote in pictures? The Minoans and Pelasgians of course. So these groups were always considered Greek by the ancient Greeks themselves.
Many more ancient writers insisted they were Greek rather than debated against it. And most of the writers who questioned whether they were actually Greek or not came much later.
According to the mythology everything started off as Pelasgians (I am summarising of course), followers of the old religion. The Titanomachy happened and there was a change in religion when zeus and his siblings took power. Then came the Decauleon flood because Zeus was enraged that people were still practicing the old religion of human sacrifice and cannibalism which was done under the rule of Cronos who had eaten his children.
After the flood whoever's was left formed small groups and clans but they still considered themselves the same people from before the flood. The vast majority of the Greek tribes had adopted zeus and the pantheon. However the Pelasgians still held on to old practices that excluded human sacrifice and cannibalism because that had been completely forbidden by that time.
This is why they are seen the same but different. At least that is how I understand it.
@@funkyfiss But the Achaeans are older than the Heracleidae. Heracles himself was an Achaean, not Dorian.
@@WanaxTV Yes you are correct. Hercules was an Achaean. But his descendants created the Dorian tribe. The Acheans are older, the Ionians older still, the Pelasgians are the oldest of all.
Which hearucules are you referring too
Une si po e kuptoj kjo koh është pas përmbytjes së ujit Nuhës kurse para ksaj kohe ishte koha e Kontinenteve Essos Vesteros 7:09
Could the Palasgians be the origin of the Philistines?
The maybe Greeks.
🤺☦🇷🇺No. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery:
The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks:
*YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians):
*Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks)
*Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy)
*Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians)
*Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101Cringe pseudo history
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of greece and illyria..
They would be the minoans
I am pelasgus from the star 🌟 sirius son of eagle 🦅 ( son of Zeus )
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"Behind every goat is a happy Albanian."
~ Oxford University 2023
Pelasgians, Minoans, Cycladians:
proto Greeks , Europe's first major civilization
Historians: So are you greek,non greek,or proto greek?
Pelasgians: Yes.
Tribe of Dan
Alexnader the great was from Tribe of Dan
I’m just trying to find the Albanian nationalist here
The Bronze Age Anatolia individual:
"This individual wasancestral for the major subclade3 P58 (J1a2b; previously designated3 J1e) and could thus bedesignated as J1a(xJ1a2b)."
"I0070 (Minoan from Lasithi)This individual was derived for mutation M319:15467785T->A (J2a1d) as well as upstream mutationsL26:22942897T->C (J2a1) and M410:2751678A->G, L212:22711465T->C (J2a). He was not foundto be ancestral for any downstream mutations and could be designated as J2a1d. Haplogroup M319was found4 at a frequency of 8.8% in one sample set of 193 present-day Cretans (95% confidenceinterval from the binomial distribution 5.2-13.7%) and 5.4% in another set5 of 168 Cretans (95% C.I.:2.5-10%), but no examples were found in a combined sample set of 171 Greeks from three locationsnear early Neolithic settlements in mainland Greece (95% C.I: 0-2.1%). A re-analysis4 of large set of523 present-day Anatolian males6 revealed only 2 examples of M319 in this population (95% C.I.: 0-1.4%). Thus, it appears plausible that this represents a Y-chromosome lineage that existed in MinoanCrete but was at a lower (or absent) frequency in neighboring mainland Greece and Anatolia and itsoccurrence in present-day Cretans represents continuity with those of the Bronze Age."
"I0073 (Minoan from Lasithi)This individual was derived for mutation L26:22942897T->C (J2a1) as well as upstream mutationsM410, L559, L152 (J2a). He was ancestral for several downstream haplogroups: M322:15469740C->A (J2a1a), L560:21899860C->T (J2a1b1a), M166:21764694C->T (J2a1b2), M68:21878700A->G(J2a1c), M339:2881367T->G (J2a1e), L24:14286528G->A (J2a1h), L88.2:17595842T->C andL198:17595861A->C (J2a1i). He could thus be designated as J2a1(xJ2a1a, J2a1b1a, J2a1b2, J2a1c,J2a1e, J2a1h, J2a1i)."
"I9130 (Minoan from Moni Odigitria)This individual was derived for mutations CTS946:7100848A->G (G2a2b2a) and upstream mutationsF3088:20813445G->A and M3397:21605685G->C (G2a). He was ancestral for downstreammutations CTS4803:15833180G->A (G2a2b2a1b1a2a) and Z3423:19251438G->T (G2a2b2a1c1a).He could thus be designated as G2a2b2a(xG2a2b2a1b1a2a, G2a2b2a1c1a). G2a2 Y-chromosomeswere common in Neolithic Europe7, western Anatolia8,9, and Neolithic mainland Greece9. We havealso re-analyzed data from a recent study of central Anatolian Neolithic genomes10, determining thatthey were present there during both the Aceramic phase at Boncuklu (2 G2a2b2b samples) and later atTepecik-Çiftlik (1 G2a2a sample). Plausibly, the Minoan from Moni Odigitria who belonged to thislineage was also related to the same group of early Neolithic farmers as those from Europe, mainlandGreece, and Anatolia."
"I9041 (Mycenaean from Galatas Apatheia in the Peloponnese)This individual was derived for mutations L26:22942897T->C and F4326:23021978A->G (J2a1) aswell as upstream mutations M410:2751678A->G, L559:21674327A->G, L152:22243566C->T,L212:22711465T->C (J2a). He was ancestral for M322:15469740C->A (J2a1a), M260:15025506G->A and M92:21904023T->C (J2a1b1), M166:21764694C->T (J2a1b2), L210:16492197A->T(J2a1b3), M68:21878700A->G (J2a1c), M339:2881367T->G (J2a1e), P81:6739856G->A (J2a1g),L207.1:6753448A->G and L24:14286528G->A (J2a1h), L88.2:17595842T->C andL198:17595861A->C (J2a1i). He could thus be designated as J2a1x(J2a1a, J2a1b1, J2a1b2, J2a1c,J2a1e, J2a1g, J2a1h, J2a1i)."
"More sampling of ancient populations is needed to establish the presence (and frequency) ofhaplogroup J in the Aegean and neighboring regions). However, (i) the great time depth of itspresence in the Caucasus/Iran, together with (ii) its low frequency/absence in NeolithicGreece/Anatolia, and (iii) its appearance in the samples of our study, lead us to believe that it mayhave accompanied the genetic admixture (Neolithic Iran/Caucasus-hunter-gatherer related) that seemsto have affected all populations in our study (Supplementary Information, section 2). Thus, the Ychromosometurnover that occurred in central Europe during the Bronze Age7,19 may also haveoccurred in the Aegean, with a different set of incoming lineages."
Trojans were also Greek and the Trojan war was a civic war according to Homer .
που χαρακτηρίζει ο Ομηρος τον τρωικο πολεμο ως ελληνικο εμφυλιο;
@@cornelsen2974 Ο Όμηρος μέσα στα έπη δεν χαρακτηρίζει ποτέ τους Τρώες ως μή Έλληνες. Αυτό το βγάζει (λανθασμένα) συμπερασματικά αυτός που γράφει στο βικιπαίδεια όμως δεν ισχύει σε καμία περίπτωση. Αν διαβάσεις αρκετές φορές την Ιλιάδα , καταλαβαίνει κανείς πως ο Όμηρος χωρίζει συνέχεια τους Έλληνες αναφέροντας τις φυλές τους. Πως θα λέγαμε σήμερα οι Καλαματιανοί είναι τάδε , οι Πατρινοί είναι έτσι, οι Αθηναίοι είναι έτσι, οι Θεσσαλονικείς είναι έτσι, οι Κρητικοί έτσι. Τό ίδιο κάνει και ο Όμηρος όπως και όλοι και είναι κάτι λογικό, αναφέρει τις φυλές που βασίζεται πάντα στον γενάρχη. Οι Αχαιοί απο τον Αχαιό, οι Τρώες απο τον Τρώα, οι Δαναοί απο τον Δαναό, Έλληνες απο τον Έλληνα κλπ. Όλοι αυτοί μαζί είχαν την ίδια θρησκεία , την ίδια γλώσσα, το ίδιο συγγενικό αίμα, τα ίδια έθιμα. Τι άλλο πρέπει να πούμε; Ο Πρίαμος με τον Αχιλλέα στην σκηνή του τι γλώσσα ομιλούν ; Αραβικά; Ή μήπως με την νοηματική; Θυσίαζαν στους ίδιους θεούς. Στον ναό του Απόλλωνα που ήταν στην Τροία πήγε να παντρευτεί ο Αχιλλέας την κόρη του Πριάμου Πολυξένη που την είχε ερωτευτεί και εκεί ο Αλέξανδρος (Πάρις) τον σκότωσε πισώπλατα ενώ ήταν άοπλος.
@@cornelsen2974ΝΑΙ , ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΗΤΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΤΡΩΕΣ.
@@gregdandoulakis6667 ρώτησα που το λέει ο Όμηρος
@@cornelsen2974
Homer clearly mentions the bonds of friendship and hospitality between Greeks and Trojans. He mentions the Greek origin of the Trojans, he mentions that they spoke a common language with the Achaeans, he mentions that they believed in the same gods. It is good to read the Homeric epics before expressing an opinion.
Pelasgians is the name of Greeks before the Ancient Dark Ages (11th-9th BCE).
They are the protoGreeks.....together with Minoans and Cycladic.
No, because Pelasgians had different language ethics and propably origin than Greeks. Although it seems that they aren' t more ancient and actually co existed with Greeks, who from a small tribe living mainly close to Pindus mountains range became very populus and repelled Pelasgians to Italy.
i'm iberian i got minoan genes mycenean , cabooommm= Armenians
@@user-lz6es6eb4dΕμείς είμαστε οι απόγονοι των Πελασγών και κανένας άλλος
Pelasgians 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Very nice to watch you again../ pelasgians... A vast population streched over many territories in Eastern Europa & Asia Minor... including my ancient ancestors: Thracians, particulary Geto-Dacians../
Pelasgians aactually co-existed with Greeks, Pelasgians areas were Thesaly, Pelopenesse , North Aegean, and Greeks areas were mainly west Macedonia, Epirus, Central Greece, generally close to Pindus mountains. So Pelasgians were not the only prehistoric inhabitants of Greece. At the end Greeks who became multitudinous repelled Pelasgians to Italy.
All Albanian before Greeks
@@floriankociu7251 Of course not. They had normal heads and not like pans.
before 25 centuries PELAGIA ---- MACEDONIAN LAND .
ALEXANDER THE GREAT is born in MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
Pellasgian origin had the peoples of the sea who attacked in the middle east.