A quick browse of the comments section on this video is so wonderful. People talking about religion and history in respectful manners, anecdotes from Muslims and Arabs, people comparing and contrasting beliefs and histories. Really swell stuff, this is not the internet I knew 10 years ago and I'm so glad it's not.
That might be due to censorship and the suppression of free speech. That is not a good thing. A faith should strengthen one and criticism should not be a problem. Any religion that cannot be mocked or criticised, such as the barbaric practice of Islam, is a very dangerous thing.
You're glad that people don't clearly address issues. You can certainly talk about cancer without mentioning how horrible it is, but not so much in a world in which many people are pro-cancer.
@@glorioustea7433 Not yet but give it time, just like the other comments about Islam that are pulled down for fear fear of suffering the same fate as the Chalie Hebdo staff. I also couldn't stand in Speaker's Corner and say that, as with the case of Hatun Tash who was stabbed there in an attempted murder and which was not reported by the mass media. I can give hundreds of more examples if that isn't barbaric or suppressing of free speech enough. Keep your religion and serve your god but, if there is a God which is pure love, it will not serve you.
hello from Saudi Arabia, thank you for the video there is much more that isn't mentioned in the video for that each tribe had its own Pagan god for example Daws (from Zahran) had "Dhu Al-Khilsah" , and here in Southern Najd we had "Dhu Kahl" , Siwa' (سواع) for Hudh'ail and much more ... all said tribes still exist today in Saudi Arabia
I know i have been told it is crazy to believe that im actually a descendant of the Bani Hilal because its just a name from folk lore. What does that mean to these people? Nothing. It is special to nobody as it is just history and not the present. So see there is a lesson for everyone. Its more important to live as what we are as mortal human beings lucky to be alive. Call me whatever you want. Im not some tribal. Im not descended from royalty off oil money either. I dont believe in religion personally since we wrote it based on facts and most people mosunderstand it and make it ritualism. Islam is translated as spirit science for a reason. Not spirit tradition. Not spiritual monopoly yet an umbrella unitarianism with fairness and human precedent over slavery in any dimension. interesting enough my tribe was also hillel the elders you could say based on BS claims to past grandeurs as high mufti or pharisees or whatever. These names dont stick or else i would be glowing. You have to put work in to the golden rule like the gentleman who made this video. Thats what ascends the spirit and enlightens aside from being married and getting older, but what do i know? Im jist some guy. I love stories about mythology as well as have a personal philosophy from an out of body experience having my lights knocked out at 25. I think there is a grain of truth to everything. Some things science is on the verge of grasping again. Like the chi. Or telepathy. Where is the consciousness stored? They see the lightning bolts but never photograph consciousness zeus it seems when they study the brain. To me the tribals followed cult leaders through the desert and villages who mastered the art of yoga to the point of what would still be considered paranormal phenomena today. Call it the Tao or prayer or whatever. They knew how to use more of their brain than the rest of us. Even today with computers and science. We are historians and orators simply put in the end witness to these things. Physics will discover overlaying dimensions for practical uses oneday ...when its common knowledge for a critical mass. I dont think thats the point of earth tho so it may never happen. Earth is a distraction from the fact we dont die. Physics will never break an illusion we need as a rest from this torment of eternal boredom. A life without death can be a cross to bear if your alone. I personally believe in a third butterfly phase of man everyone has.your real body is a small star. Then you have an etheric body you feel at the same time while riding in it like phantom limb syndrome but it is invisible to you. The star is in your chest in your "solar plexus" when you look down that is all you see. That and earth below. Then two caring out of body angels come and meet u. One male and one female and you talk about why your up there and they care about u and ask what you did to help people. They are wise and will not let you lie to yourself. They look like stars to you too but they are telepathic like you while oscillating like the star sirius. Human consciousness does not die and there are no pearl gates. Just literal space and earth and overlaying dimensions while we are in different forms. We can also come back and reincarnate. The temporary memory wipe is great as it helps us forget immortality like getting drunk. Everything is possible to the kingdom of heaven. Perhaps the challenge of remaining spirits of love while riding in animal bodies os a true test of who we are and our ideals over our animal nature in the end. Or it could be the friction feeds the star body energy when used with the golden rule towards all life through these computers we call monkey minds or lizard brains. Life is a vibration 3. 1, -1 and zero. 3 points in a vibratio. Right now while in body im a real zero knowing this and not making the world better
@@someone-wi4xl Do people from different tribes follow their gods today? Or just Islamic deity Allah is followed? I know Saudi Arabia is a very conservative country and worshipping other than Allah attracts state sanctioned punishment. So do people do still do it secretly? Or Atheism? Does it exist there?
@@warpdrive9229 no, today we Arabians are only 1) Muslims (majority) 2) Christian , such as members of Banu Al-Harith in Najran, from whom the 6th century martyr ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arethas_(martyr) ) killed by Himyari Jewish king, today his death is remembered in different Christian nation also some Arabs in Gulf region , some of said above still Christians today but most of them are Muslim a small group of Bani Al-Harith moved to Levant and kept being Christians , their mention ended as a tribal group but their descendants might be alive and well but mixed with locals over there as well as Rabi'ah bin Wa'il prior to Islam it was 50/50 some are Pagan some were Christians , also here in Najd there was good number of Christian Arabs who in fact supported Muhammad against Pagans of Makkah 3) also some Arabs are Jewish such as some Himyar and Hamdan members and part of my tribe (allies of us) were also Jewish but no more today , most became Muslims some continued on and became the Yemeni Jews + actual Cohanim Israelites (mix of Arabians and Bani Israel) Paganism ended long time ago BUT there were stories in 1700's that one of the kings of the first Saudi state found a group of women offering for Dhu Al-Khilsah but documentation of this story is weak in my humble opinion and might serve as a propaganda as for Atheism maybe yes there is a small minority but since we are a tribal society i assume they won't declare that because going against the group = kick out from the tribe and never join it back / married from it or any other Tribal Arabians but in general i believe it has to be a very small minority for that we Arabians are very religious peoples regardless of faith we are very faithful
@@warpdrive9229 oh and one more point Allah ( الله ) , Eloah ( אֱלוֹהַּ ) , Allaha ( ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ) and so on ... regardless of Semitic language was worshipped way before the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH in fact his father's name was Abd-Allah (servant of Allah) the thing is that we Knew that he was the supreme God but we were polytheistic we said he must have a wife , children and so on so forth and built them from clay / stone and wood by our hands which was abolished especially after Islam even our ancestors .. those Amorites and Canaanites and other ancient Semites they knew that there is a supreme God ('EL \ illu) but they made the same issue
Apart from this video being extremely well made and researched with such interesting facts and historical evidence, can we appreciate his pronunciation of the Arabic words ??? Very good job for a non-Arabic speaker 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is an old comment an an even older video, but I would like to say in case anyone is wondering that his pronunciation is spectacular, except for the fact that he pronounces the "L" in "al-" in front of some letters where it is supposed to be silent, such as "R". Other than that it is superb.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7ud That's fascinating! I've done some research that showed that many of the pre-Islamic tribes had household stones that they would pay respect to on entering & always wondered what the mythology was behind it. Your explanation makes sense.
@@MrHoot-zp7ud just because you are from Saudi Arabia doesn't mean you own or can use that to tell others you are wrong. That is a matter of belief you hold, not entirely factual.
Considering it is the youngest of the major monotheistic religions created in the 7th century AD, it would be strange to not even ponder what existed prior.
I also love the calm *flow* of the narrator's speech. No hesitancies. Clear enunciation and continuous unfolding of the narrative. And so *informative !* Kudos!
@@OFFICIALRAMKO Like these in Paper-and-Ink IDOL form: *Qur'an 2:106* “If We abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We *REPLACE* it with a better or similar one. Do you not know that Allah is Most Capable of everything?” *Qur'an 3:54* “Then they schemed, and Allah countered their schemes by schemes of His own. Allah is the best of *SCHEMERS”* *Qur'an 4:82* “Do they not ponder about the Qur’an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much *INCONSISTENCIES.”* *Qur'an 15:9* "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." Thus it is not Our Messenger whom you are _calling_ *INSANE* but in fact this abusive remark applies to _us._ *Qur'an 16:101* “When We replace a verse with another and Allah knows best what He reveals - they say, “You ˹Muḥammad˺ are just a *FABRICATOR* In fact, most of them do not know.”
When talking about Paganism we should remember that Pagan is derived from the Latin "Pagana" or " country dweller" meaning that rural people were more likely to hang onto the old religion. Originally there were no negative connotations to the word but sadly that certainly has changed over the years.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
I love how history used to be written in the old times. I would like to imagine a nerd of a man, unmarried, regarded by the society as a freak compulsively tagging along with roman soldiers in arabia, wandering out at night, writing his account of the world he sees so that he could write a book and keep it in his library when he returns 2 decades later to his land. These are the guys we should be grateful about.
No, there are only some page robbed in old schools, the same of christians, hebrews and other fake religion, that don't study, don't understand becouse don't do homeworks! th-cam.com/video/ShaWeLvFjwk/w-d-xo.html
@@ericvulgate : You don't know any religion... men can't understand also they're stupidity... Don't try to talk about what you don't know, it's ignorance: th-cam.com/video/C5-4GtXQvBE/w-d-xo.html
Can't wait for this. I do suggest the work of Pre and Early Islamic Arabic philologist Ahmed Al-Jallad, he has some fascinating insights into the Pre Islamic belief system based on the numerous rock etchings and writings found across Arabia.
Have watched a number of your videos over the past week or so, and have to admit: You find and include the most evocative, beautiful art in the essays. This is no small feat .... Thanks for your work. There's not enough intellectual inquiry these days.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Ad a historian I find it extremely important and interesting to know the polytheistic background of the various modern monotheistic religions. It goes a long way to explain each one and all at the same time. It does not weaken one’s personal religion, but instead strengthens it.
@@fynnfishwell take noah’s ark, a story many dismiss as fantasy until you look into many other religions in the area have a VERY similar story besides a few key differences (besides the fact the other stories have more than 1 god) and that these stories likely came from a source very long ago rather than simply being made up by story tellers over time. ofc the story changes but the plot stays similar.
@@LetsTalkReligion why dont you have a conversation or a podcast with some of the scolars here on YT. Might help you and us see different points of view. The one I do know is Muhammad Hijab
I am a HARDCORE atheist, but that's not to say that I am not interested in what people's nonsense ideas were and how they evolved into the nonsense ideas they have today. Infidel!!!
The amount of quality work here is just refreshing. Thank God that I stumbled upon such a respectful, historical and a lot of helpful channel about religion in general. I really, really appreciate the way you talk, it is so hard to not pay attention to you talking. Also, I can't stress enough how much I appreciate that you are not one of those "I can't pronounce this" or "I will probably butcher this if I say it" type of lazy people. You actually took time to learn couple of words/sentences and continue to pronounce them with such confidence is again, very refreshing and appreciated. Subscribed and would recommend this channel to everyone. Thank you sir, my brain is thankful for you sharing your knowledge.
@@dragonstar4770 Calls something that you don’t believe in despite of substantial evidence & research cuz personal belief. Refuses to elaborate. Leave.
I love it when content creators make the effort to learn to pronounce things correctly, it elevates them to a whole different level and I have so much more respect for them. There's another channel I watch, which is more of the "fun" side of history, called Tasting History with Max Miller, and even though it's much more lighthearted but he puts serious effort into each episode and he nails all the pronunciations.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Ahmad Al-Jallad is one of the most interesting scholar of Islamic and Quranic studies right now, especially because his expertise on other Arabic languages/dialects and scripts, other than Qurayshi/Quranic dialect and the Nabataean-Syrian form of Arabic script. His works really are important, refreshing, and much-needed contribution to the field.
Anyone that claims Arabic is originally from Syria/ N. Arabia is considered stupid in my eyes. The Arabic language and it’s ancestor old Arabic were spoken in Arabia way before the existence of the Nabateans. The Nabateans are known to have migrated from the Hejaz. Arabic tribes and people are from Yemen. Masons trying to rewrite history won’t change a thing.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
I love that he put citations in the description box which I personally experienced to be so rare! It makes thing easier for people to refer which allow better discussion, since it’s backed up
What's very interesting is how things, even with religion removed, changed. For example the architecture, the clothes, the government systems, the customs and traditions. In the West and much of the media, Arabia or Islam are always presented as this fixed nonchanging exotic location with a single language, religion, way of clothing etc. where in reality it was as diverse and as ever changing as any other place. As Europe went from the classical ages (think ancient Greece), to Romans, and to the Medieval Age (knights), so did Arabia, and neither did it as a single step that you'd see in a Civ video game. This is something that "nationalists" ignore even on 'domestic' matters, always presenting the Vikings or Medieval Knights as this fixed idea that fits neatly into untouchable categories. In reality it's more like a web, and instead of solid color squares, it's more like an 'intermixing' rainbow... if you get what I mean. So now my mind has been intrigued and I want to learn more about this. Forget just Islam, give me the "secular/evidence based" history of Arabia - let's look at it from an Academic lens... that's often missing in these topics.
"Forget just Islam, give me the "secular/evidence based" history of Arabia - let's look at it from an Academic lens... " Oh yes, and DO mention the historical experience modern people have, because of Civ. I invaded more countries, conquered more lands and killed more adversaries than Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Alexander the Great AND Julius Caesar, and these experiences matter. I changed the course of history, I upgraded all these cultures, I did all that. It felt quite real. So I read about history from my most experienced point of view. The say "winners write history books". I feel like I am one of them, the best of them actually.
People who are ignorant of history thinks a transition of one era toward another only happens with violence or the wipe out of an entire culture and civilization. In reality people changes like trends. I dont say this only for one group of people but everyone who are ignorant toward history
Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush...let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint Setyan..
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
i don't know if there is anyone else on TH-cam whose work I have more respect for. Out comes a guy from Sweden who has helped me understand so much about the religion/culture I was born into. Thank you so much!
I can't emphasize enough how much this video means to me. I am not a person who says this often, but my understanding about Islam changed significantly after watching this over and over. I'm not sure whether Philip would see this comment of mine or not, but I want to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. Also, if you're seeing it, do a part two of this😅
@@yurichtube1162 allah is Hubal. Hu-baal, baal. Baal means lord. There are many baals like baal Shem baal among. They say allah= god, Hu= god's name, akbar = bigger/greater. It means god Hu is greater than the god of Israel.
Hi I lived in Saudi. There is a Nestorian Church in Jubail which many of us expats visited. Until around the 1950s there was an underground group of Christians in the Eastern Province. Tarut had its own bishop at one point before the Wahhabist whirklwind took over. I drove in the desert and saw rock art and stone circles near Riyadh, ancient Greek cities in the desert also.
Underground because Saudi Arabia doesn't welcome Christianity presumably, yes? Given the decline of Christianity in the developed world, by the time the Arab cultural sphere gets out of the morass it's been in since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Christianity will probably be almost entirely a southern hemisphere religion! It's curious how, since 1800CE or so, the more wealthy and modernized a nation becomes, the more it secularizes. All the more reason to get economic development in the Islamic world to temper some of the dangerous fundamentalist tendencies there. I, for one, would love to visit Saudi Arabia and see some of these historic sites you mention.
U keep putting one video after other with great content without faltering even once. You have a high proficiency and command over your speech and you engage and inform peacefully and proficiently.
@@kemalcalsr7591 So do you think he isn't a muslim because he doesn't like the way muslims behave? Do you really think a smart guy like him would commit such a fallacy
@@hasanal-hussein7079 I don't know anything about him other than this channel. I don't have an idea of what he thinks. What i know is, greatest form of dawah is to represent islamic life as best as we could, in the way Blessed Prophet(pbuh) did. This means not looking down on other people by making self righteous remarks, but showing the beauty of Iman by seeing the beauty of Ar Rahman in an his creation. A muslim who acts good, speaks good(useful), and writes good will serve the faith right. Whereas the one who criticize and look down upon them will only push people away from islam.
Have a look at the holidays christians celebrate. Easter for example was originally a Norse thing, they used to paint eggs, the children used to wear rabbit skins and run around giving them out to people. All as a celebration for spring and fertility. Christians adapted this to gain the following of some by still letting them keep their celebrations, just made it mean something else. Days of the week are also Norse. Religions pretty much went around adopting customs to create new common ideologies that could be used to keep populations together and under a certain belief system
I’m only a few minutes in and I’d like to applaud you on how you explain things! You’re not afraid to say what you want to say, but you also make sure to remain respectful. Well done!
Just a few weeks ago around Ramadan, I was learning the arabic history and I assimilated all the data mentioned here. Since I myself researched all data from various sources, I can guarantee for the content of this Video ! Thanks for the efforts mate ❤️
There's a common theme of the old polytheistic religions being replaced by monotheistic ones, only to then fade away and be replaced by what ever future beliefs will evolve next.
The older polytheistic religions haven't just faded away. They are being revived in many cases. Hinduism and Shinto never faded away at all. Many forms of Buddhism include multiple gods, too.
@Rabid Dog Thats becasue Islam is a tool used by the Arabic Warlords to unite the minds of all the groups in the area under their rule. Of course, this was done with violent force as you mentioned. And this is the same approach with Christianity and its Roman warlords.
Cuz the original message sent by God was monotheism then people altered it and made it polytheistic. If u look at every single polytheistic religion it used to be monotheistic
It is believed that Hubal was an modification of "Ho-wa Ba'al" or "He is Ba'al" .. basically an aspect of Ba'al that was imported into Arabia from Syria.
@@agadirand4four347 Hubal is comparable to Zeus, Zeus in Greek mythology does not rule supreme over all being. In any case, true Tawheed in Sufism is to know that Being is but one.
@@agadirand4four347 when you are totally lost and alone in the vast empty desert with no food or water and no one knows where you are, whom do you pray to?
This is very very interesting! I cannot rule out some degree of commonality between pre-Islamic belief systems and the Hindu belief systems considering the geographical closeness of Arabian peninsula to the Indian sub continent, mutual trade and migratory movement of people through Persia and Central Asia. I think this aspect too needs to be explored.
It's possible. But even before India the closest civilisations to them were zoarastrian, Greek cultures also. And as we studied in School the four ancient civilisations were Indus valley, Mesopotamia, the Egyptian and one in China. Both Egyptian and Mesopotamian could also have been influences. Pagan and polytheistic beliefs were I suppose common everywhere, even the Incas of the Americas. So could have indian influences but needn't
@@Neha-xs3xk I have a theory. All people who lived closer to the equator line had some unique and shared belief systems. From that perspective the American civilisational values have something’s common with the Indian civilisation. Having visited many countries in the South America and interacted a little with the indigenous people in North America I can say this. Perhaps there is need to make a comparative study of these civilisations!
@@Neha-xs3xk yes but when you go back that far, you have to appreciate what was the total global population? Very small. Then you have things like stoned ape theory? Like, how did advances explode at the most critical junctures of human evolution eg. Linguistically ... deux in french = do in hindi for example ... very basic concept ... similar word in 2 countries that are quite remote even by today's standards.
Because India was a source of great wealth & arabia was a barren desert ... they had to expand outwards for their own survival from the barren desert landscape that they hail from with ancient pagan beliefs & warlords?
I have a theory, the arabs needed india's wealth to fuel their expansion outwards from the desert & islam became their rallying cry - but at it's core it was just in their own self-interest to make arabia centre of the world/universe & establish themselves as rulers.
This is amazing, thank you so much for your work! I'm fascinated by religion and philosophy since I was a child, and I still love learning about it! To me personally it's so important to learn about other cultures and to understand them because this can be the only way to achieve peace. I was always fascinated by Islam and wondering what kind of religion people practiced before that, so I'm very grateful for this video! Liked and subscribed!!!🇮🇪👍😊
I’m so glad I found this channel! I enjoy learning about religions in general, it has always fascinated me how people follow different paths and the various world views and beliefs different communities hold so its so refreshing to find it just from a knowledge point of view and not from a biased (either side of the spectrum) viewpoint.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
This is VERY important work for civilization as a whole. Thank you for your research; we ALL need to be broad in our understanding of each other. Understanding contributes dramatically to patience and MORE understanding of each other's differences. Knowledge of History is critical! Thank you again.
Agree with your point but it is unrealistic and will never be achieved. Few people have strong interest in continuous learning or expanding their knowledge and world view. So what to do when so many will definitely remain ignorant and remain brainwashed by whatever tripe the popular media run by globalist control freaks chooses to tell them.
@Rabid Dog how many times are you going to post this nonsense on this thread? If you knew history extreme violence is rampant with many nations and beliefs. Just hammering on Islam shows your agenda. Extreme violence unfortunately is part of human history. The point of the video is to offer some information to those who are interested, not to further troll agendas.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
The Saudis do not have a civilization, rather they used to live in ignorance, they do not have a civilization. Rather, the inhabitants of deserts do not even have water. It was a barren desert, and their face was disgusting with a foul smell😊
As a Westerner I find myself fascinated by what Arabian culture was like before Islam as it's hard to differentiate what we perceive as 'Muslim' vs. Arabian culture.
This channel has seen exponential growth this year. 2021 has certainly been very fruitful for you. Wishing you the best of luck for your future endeavours!
sound , tone and very spoken words were clear -clean and beautiful..
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Hello, I've recently learned your videos and watched most of it; you rock, man! And as an Turkish alevi, I'm looking forward to seeing video that explains alevism, with differences from nusayris and Shia. Cheers
I read in a book that persian gods never havent human forms. Similar with Shinto kami, and the human forms became very late in the eighteen or nineteen century. I see that almost human representation of the ancient gods were a rarity.
Super good video! It's great that we're learning more of the politheistic world in ancient Arabia through archeology and how it relates to the monotheistic world.
It was so cute when you pronounced milieu as miljö ❤️ the pronunciation is close anyway. The Swedish vowel is further back and more open than in french/English.
Hats off! Most accurate and reflects the deep knowledge the gentleman Al-Jallad possesses which I assume took at least years of hard work! Thanks a lot for the illuminating video & keep up with the good work!
I found your channel recently and I can't stop watching your videos. It is what I was looking for a long time. Your videos are so informative, the way you are explaining very complicated issues is really interesting, you are very objective, humble, smart and you have such a smooth voice. Please keep it up!
All what you have said was taught to us in arab countries when we were in schools as kids i am so proud of how our history was not corrupted by muslim historians and scholars Our history is well preserved because of the honest and loyal people who came before us
True, he mentioned in the beginning that there is bias in Islamic scholars books but all he said is exactly what I was taught in school and what is written in the Islamic scholars books.
@@tassnemzaid9486 early Muslims were honest and great people , telling lie was not existed in their dictionary . yes , latter bad generations were started to come ...
Very true! Almost all, in not just all, he said is in line with what Islam teaches. That the scripture of the rock couldve been christian, is also very possible and nothing new to islam. Muhammad (pbuh) didnt "invent" anything new. He just came following the line of prophets.
Well, I learned a few interesting things today watching this. Most specific is that the name al-Rahim means The Merciful. Rather appropriate, since the man who gave me a job 8 years ago (when I was at my lowest financial ebb ever) is named Rahim. He was indeed merciful in giving me employment. I am 65 years old now, and still work for him, though on a reduced basis as I am easing into retirement. I also appreciate your ability to pronounce the Arabic words and names. Though I am no expert on the language, you certainly sound authentic.
I think you forgot to mention the diety 'HUBUL', which arabian thought highly of. It's said that it was bought by Quraish from the Jordon when they migrated to mecca at the end of 4th century.
Thank you for posting this! as a layman doing research on this, it's still quite challenging to find good and balanced information on this. There are so many sources I'll dig into only to start getting a very disconcerting sense of an overtly hostile bias or agenda.
Interesting. No thought is an orphan. There are always ancestors and offspring. Here is a concept: we have all seen genetic migratory maps. And archeological cultural artifact maps. How about adding religious/philosophy maps? Overlay each in a time frame? Visual display of peoples, symbols and ideas migrating over time and geography like conceptual weather maps?
I tried to do a map of evolution and spreading of religious ideas since beginning to modern times, and outcome is unpublishable since: - it concludes that sky-father and earth-mother are being worshipped at least since 100k BC in Eastern Coast of Africa - it links "flood period" and spreading of Japhet-Sem-Cham to catastrophical events of 39,5k BC, - it colcludes that there was some racial-religious war between proto-Afroasiatics, proto-Kartveli and Nilotic peoples over the Asia Minor and Balkans, first won by Nilotics c.a.25k years ago, and later they were exterminated after 19k BC by proto-IE peoples who just arrived from the Steppe of Turkmenistan, - it concludes that Globular Amphora culture imposed their religion over pre-Pyramidic Egypt, over legendary period of China and across ocean to Mexico and Columbia, - it concludes dominating Middle East in Sumerian times by Burmanese-Vietnamese religion, - it includes another very controversial claim that hieroglyphs of Maine Indians were descendants of hieroglyphs of late Old Kingdom of Egypt, - it also includes that c.a. 1100AD there was some "special mission" from Denmark allied with Templars to impose snake religion on Americas and make them ready for later slaughter, after that started many old Columbians and Peruvians fled to Indonesia, Easter Island and to Hawaii where they met Polinesians (eg. word "Oahu" comes from old Easter Island languages clearly influenced by proto-Inca and means "stone platform"). No matter how well I can prove my thesis, I still will be object of hard attack from all of my older colleagues in the University.
@Mayssaa El Ghazzaz Hadith comes 200 to 300 years later after the events. Also, not written by anyone in Arabia. To say they are suspect is an understatement.
@Mayssaa El Ghazzaz How little you know. I teach a comparative world religion course at the University level. I am well acquainted with the hadith. As I stated, it comes far too late to be of any historical value. In fact, evidence from the seventh century is very poor. Not until the inscription on the dome of the rock in 691 do we hear anything about Islam at all.
Jay Smith's work on this is incredible. I suggest you watch this with an open mind and prepare to hear some difficult things about Islam, especially Mecca, the Quran and Mohammad. th-cam.com/video/4EaopH_EPfc/w-d-xo.html
Lakhmids adopted Nestorian ( Nasrani). After Nestorian persecution in Rome, they took refuge to Sassanid Persia. They settled near Lakhmid cities Kufa and Hirah. After a few years Lakhmid people converted to Nestorianism. That was a big factor which had a significant impact on the shaping of the history of the middle east in that era and later in Islamic (Abbasid) Persia.
I really like the sections where you read the original language and then translate it to English. As a mono-lingual English speaker this is very fascinating and value added
In Adelaide, South Australia. Won’t be up that late but will see the video of this crucial topic. Jung pointed out that new religious developments come out of the old. Some have reactions against elements of the old. Those seem to leave the old elements behind but they fall into the unconscious and operate from there. The assimilation of pagan deities by Christian saints are an example. The Church was often uncomfortable with this comparing some of it to idolatry. Jung was convinced that pagan elements resurfaced very negatively in the Nazis. So, we could look at Islam for something similar. Paganism was characterised by the ecstatic body. Mysticisms also. Enter Sufism, not to mention the Prophet, pbuh, with Gabriel in the cave. So, in what way might we see the Goddess in Islam? We might remember the feminine elements in Kabbalah, too. Finally, excellent work, a real vocation. Many, many thanks.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Hi Mohamed, some aspects of being human fall into the unconscious, go underground, and surface later in a new form. Sometimes in a good way; sometimes in a bad way. Usually a bit of both.
Goddess in islam is non apparent. In islam God is not associated with any gender, as gender is a human aspect. When translating arabic to english the word God tends to acquire a musculine form. However, the word in arabic itself does not identify a gender.
@@nowshadahmed3033 Hi Nowshad, I mean aspects of pagan practices that might emerge again in Islamic societies and not necessarily in Islam itself. I am not sufficiently educated in such things to know. It is merely a question. Jung’s thought was that the Germanic Wotan pattern was a driver in the Nazis. They were not a religion yet they might be seen as a perversion of one.
Very interesting video! I greatly enjoy the study of history, and the religious aspect is often one that eludes me, coming from my agnostic perspective. I will definitely be watching some more of your videos to learn more about the world's many varieties of faith.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
I just found this.. so interesting. I have studied comparative religion at university, but this context is so well researched and contains much that I have not encountered before. New subscriber here. Thanks again.
My own academic interests are primarily focused on philosophy and psychology generally. Nevertheless, I think religious phenomenon are important aspects of both and it’s excellent to have an unbiased source of information. This channel and likewise it’s new podcast will continue to be a source of relevant information for me. Excellent work my friend!
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
I think the same too.. What's the point of these huge uninhabitable deserts, is God hiding some secrets beneath these sand dunes or they are just here to take up space
@@waleed8530 T-Rex were found only in North America.. All the fossil fuels are miles beneath the surface so making deserts to hide ancient skeletons does not make much sense
I love your videos but couldnt stop laughing at" Religiousmiljö".. LOL mostly because i wasnt expecting it. Thank you for this video as an arab i learned much about pre-Islamic arabia at school. We even learn many of the Mu'alaqat which i really loved. The thing that bothers me is that all we know about islamic history especially about Mohammads life comes almost only from islamic resources. I wish the archaeological exploration would tell us more of the other side of the story.
It was wonderful to stumble across an unpretentious dialogue on a subject that interests me greatly, by a very knowledgeable person with excellent communication skills and no apparent religious agenda. Well done!
A bit off topic about poems : I really enjoy the pre Islamic poetry . You have no idea how beautiful it is . You talked about it :( moalakat ) or hanging poems . It gives us an idea How generous they were . They were also so proud of their tribes and their manners . Their is a phenomenon called ( checking the ruins ) which is so heart breaking .. The Arabs used to stay in one place in a house and leave it after a while to another one . The lover go back after like twenty years to remember his loved one who lived there once before . Talking to all the silence , to the remains of the house.. all memories that brought him the pain of his lost love . They usually started the poem by bringing incidents like this to show their loyalty to their ex . Antar/ Alba love story is a fantastic one. Antar was literally like today’s Superman . A Very strong warrior who brings fear to his enemies. And guess what a very soft and kind lover as well who wanted nothing but to marry Alba his loved one . On top of that ,,Antar was a very well known poet. Their story is like Romeo and juliet with different details of course . As an excellent poet Antar had Her everything written in his poems ,her features / the way she talks , his joy and pain as well as details of his own fights. How he remembered her even at war time when he was defending his tribe .. my words will never explain their noble love and feelings . It is like a message that comes to you from thousands of years . it is way different when it comes from the middle of the desert.
I love Antra for me he is the best poet in pre islamic. I have tried to translate the meaning of two lines and it’s show how crazy he was 😂😂😂. “ and my horse was the businessman of deaths, and he ( the horse) went through its ( the death) market and has bought and sold. And my sword was a doctor in the battlefield, which cures people whom complained from headaches”
@@obbsh7105 one of his best lines .. For sure And there is a lot more .. There is another one that says : Your doctor will say I have your cure , when he checks your arm and palm. And if the dr knew the treatments of sickness , none of them could have suffered the agony of death.
@@Ishuuuxix According to islam it’s called Jaheliah era which means ignorance era. This name referring to ignorance of religion and some culture activities. However, Arab pre islam have many values such generosity honesty bravery and almost all of their history are in their poetry
Thanks for this beautiful video 😊 I like your chill presentation style and the obvious effort you’ve put into providing the facts. Also your choice of art is sooooo lovely! Keep up the good work!
Excellent, objective, well researched and without any clichés ... Really appreciate the work you are doing ... Somewhere I have always felt that there is lot of influence of various traditions on each other irrespective of the geographical or time difference/distance amongst them ... there is a continuity of traditions in one form or the other ... For example, I am mighty intrigued by various postures that a devout Muslim takes while offering her prayers ... all these are very similar to various Yogic mudras/exercise that evolved in ancient India ... Are there mention or usage of any such traditions or postures in pre-Islamic Arabia? Incidentally, why did Prophet Mohammed introduced this form of prayer or Salaat ... it is the only one where the devotee is dynamic and takes various postures unlike in other traditions where it is static .... Some day some wise person would like to explore this too ... Thanks for the good work ... More power to you!
Wow! This is so interesting. I would want to meet someone who still believes in pre-Islamic religions, if there is still someone out there who believes in the old religions!
In yemen there was a few people who belive in the god of sun and moon They even do the stuff the old people did They didn't exist for too long because the "colera" and some clans fights happend between them One of their deeds that can't be forgotten is having se*x with the corps before they bury it It was some of hemyar old culture before selmon come and make one of the greatest leaders of old yemen become a beliver of the one only GOD The story is More long and my English is trash Sorry if you can't understand some words 💀
I believe reconstructionists of the pre-Islamic polytheism exists, I’ve seen some myself, though I haven’t worked in it personally (I’m a Hellenic polytheism reconstructionist) but I’ve definitely seen them around. Try “Wathanism“
Very interesting, thank you!. Never thought I would learn a lot about my culture from a foreigner. Regarding the subject I'm from a village north of Najd where there are cemeteries facing Jerusalem. In Islam cemeteries have to face Makkah. It's speculated that the people who lived there were monotheistic non-Muslims.
There is evidence that the kibla was changed, from Jerusalem to Mecca. And the best way to learn your culture is to listen to people form a different background. You can not see the color of your eyes, unless you use a mirror. Likewise, you can not know your culture, unless you learn about it from "foreigners" and "strangers".
@@worfozbefore it was Spain,it was called al -andulus same applies to you people,the best way to learn your culture is to listen from a different background,😁😁😁
@Real Gigachad some what educated muslim know that change in qiblah all six of them? FYI: Abraham was not a muslim, he never was in Mecca and the ka´aba was a pagan temple with 360 arab gods alla was one of them ask educated muslims about it
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7udI’ve never heard of this. Your description is inaccurate. They used to worship many gods in the form of idols like hubal, allat, aluzza, manat, and many others. This video is a lot more accurate than your explanation.
@@zaidal-hindawi1784 (hubal, allat, aluzza and manat) are all feminine names. why are they feminine names? Because the people who made these names up, climes that they are the names of God’s daughters (the Angels).
Interesting fact: Harakhman (the merciful) is the Hebrew version of Al-Rahman and is used in many places in the Sidur (book of prayer). Particularly it is invoked in the many pleads we add at the end of Birkat Hamazon, the standard prayer after a meal. The form Rahmanan also appears in some prayers, notably those who incorporate Aramaic. It's always interesting to find these commenalities
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
the epithet probably comes from the canaanite religion, the god El elyon is called the merciful, and it's probably pronnounced in a cognate way to rachman.
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A quick browse of the comments section on this video is so wonderful. People talking about religion and history in respectful manners, anecdotes from Muslims and Arabs, people comparing and contrasting beliefs and histories. Really swell stuff, this is not the internet I knew 10 years ago and I'm so glad it's not.
That might be due to censorship and the suppression of free speech. That is not a good thing. A faith should strengthen one and criticism should not be a problem. Any religion that cannot be mocked or criticised, such as the barbaric practice of Islam, is a very dangerous thing.
You're glad that people don't clearly address issues. You can certainly talk about cancer without mentioning how horrible it is, but not so much in a world in which many people are pro-cancer.
@@pizzaboy3946 but you were able to say your opinion without anyone deleteing it
@@glorioustea7433 Not yet but give it time, just like the other comments about Islam that are pulled down for fear fear of suffering the same fate as the Chalie Hebdo staff. I also couldn't stand in Speaker's Corner and say that, as with the case of Hatun Tash who was stabbed there in an attempted murder and which was not reported by the mass media. I can give hundreds of more examples if that isn't barbaric or suppressing of free speech enough. Keep your religion and serve your god but, if there is a God which is pure love, it will not serve you.
@@pizzaboy3946 well say whatever you want but don't expect to get hugs and flowers :/
hello from Saudi Arabia, thank you for the video
there is much more that isn't mentioned in the video for that each tribe had its own Pagan god for example Daws (from Zahran) had "Dhu Al-Khilsah" , and here in Southern Najd we had "Dhu Kahl" , Siwa' (سواع) for Hudh'ail
and much more ... all said tribes still exist today in Saudi Arabia
I know i have been told it is crazy to believe that im actually a descendant of the Bani Hilal because its just a name from folk lore. What does that mean to these people? Nothing. It is special to nobody as it is just history and not the present. So see there is a lesson for everyone. Its more important to live as what we are as mortal human beings lucky to be alive. Call me whatever you want. Im not some tribal. Im not descended from royalty off oil money either. I dont believe in religion personally since we wrote it based on facts and most people mosunderstand it and make it ritualism. Islam is translated as spirit science for a reason. Not spirit tradition. Not spiritual monopoly yet an umbrella unitarianism with fairness and human precedent over slavery in any dimension. interesting enough my tribe was also hillel the elders you could say based on BS claims to past grandeurs as high mufti or pharisees or whatever. These names dont stick or else i would be glowing. You have to put work in to the golden rule like the gentleman who made this video. Thats what ascends the spirit and enlightens aside from being married and getting older, but what do i know? Im jist some guy. I love stories about mythology as well as have a personal philosophy from an out of body experience having my lights knocked out at 25. I think there is a grain of truth to everything. Some things science is on the verge of grasping again. Like the chi. Or telepathy. Where is the consciousness stored? They see the lightning bolts but never photograph consciousness zeus it seems when they study the brain. To me the tribals followed cult leaders through the desert and villages who mastered the art of yoga to the point of what would still be considered paranormal phenomena today. Call it the Tao or prayer or whatever. They knew how to use more of their brain than the rest of us. Even today with computers and science. We are historians and orators simply put in the end witness to these things. Physics will discover overlaying dimensions for practical uses oneday ...when its common knowledge for a critical mass. I dont think thats the point of earth tho so it may never happen. Earth is a distraction from the fact we dont die. Physics will never break an illusion we need as a rest from this torment of eternal boredom. A life without death can be a cross to bear if your alone. I personally believe in a third butterfly phase of man everyone has.your real body is a small star. Then you have an etheric body you feel at the same time while riding in it like phantom limb syndrome but it is invisible to you. The star is in your chest in your "solar plexus" when you look down that is all you see. That and earth below. Then two caring out of body angels come and meet u. One male and one female and you talk about why your up there and they care about u and ask what you did to help people. They are wise and will not let you lie to yourself. They look like stars to you too but they are telepathic like you while oscillating like the star sirius. Human consciousness does not die and there are no pearl gates. Just literal space and earth and overlaying dimensions while we are in different forms. We can also come back and reincarnate. The temporary memory wipe is great as it helps us forget immortality like getting drunk. Everything is possible to the kingdom of heaven. Perhaps the challenge of remaining spirits of love while riding in animal bodies os a true test of who we are and our ideals over our animal nature in the end. Or it could be the friction feeds the star body energy when used with the golden rule towards all life through these computers we call monkey minds or lizard brains. Life is a vibration 3. 1, -1 and zero. 3 points in a vibratio. Right now while in body im a real zero knowing this and not making the world better
@mr kaos
I should be able to find it. I will get back.
@@someone-wi4xl Do people from different tribes follow their gods today? Or just Islamic deity Allah is followed? I know Saudi Arabia is a very conservative country and worshipping other than Allah attracts state sanctioned punishment. So do people do still do it secretly? Or Atheism? Does it exist there?
@@warpdrive9229 no, today we Arabians are only 1) Muslims (majority)
2) Christian , such as members of Banu Al-Harith in Najran, from whom the 6th century martyr ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arethas_(martyr) )
killed by Himyari Jewish king, today his death is remembered in different Christian nation
also some Arabs in Gulf region , some of said above still Christians today but most of them are Muslim
a small group of Bani Al-Harith moved to Levant and kept being Christians , their mention ended as a tribal group but their descendants might be alive and well but mixed with locals over there
as well as Rabi'ah bin Wa'il prior to Islam it was 50/50 some are Pagan some were Christians , also here in Najd there was good number of Christian Arabs who in fact supported Muhammad against Pagans of Makkah
3) also some Arabs are Jewish such as some Himyar and Hamdan members and part of my tribe (allies of us) were also Jewish but no more today , most became Muslims
some continued on and became the Yemeni Jews + actual Cohanim Israelites (mix of Arabians and Bani Israel)
Paganism ended long time ago BUT there were stories in 1700's that one of the kings of the first Saudi state found a group of women offering for Dhu Al-Khilsah
but documentation of this story is weak in my humble opinion and might serve as a propaganda
as for Atheism maybe yes there is a small minority
but since we are a tribal society i assume they won't declare that
because going against the group = kick out from the tribe and never join it back / married from it or any other Tribal Arabians
but in general i believe it has to be a very small minority for that we Arabians are very religious peoples
regardless of faith
we are very faithful
@@warpdrive9229 oh and one more point
Allah ( الله ) , Eloah ( אֱלוֹהַּ ) , Allaha ( ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ )
and so on ... regardless of Semitic language
was worshipped way before the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH
in fact his father's name was Abd-Allah (servant of Allah)
the thing is that we Knew that he was the supreme God
but
we were polytheistic
we said he must have a wife , children and so on so forth and built them from clay / stone and wood by our hands
which was abolished especially after Islam
even our ancestors .. those Amorites and Canaanites and other ancient Semites
they knew that there is a supreme God ('EL \ illu) but they made the same issue
Apart from this video being extremely well made and researched with such interesting facts and historical evidence, can we appreciate his pronunciation of the Arabic words ??? Very good job for a non-Arabic speaker 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
He did a Master's Degree in West African Sufism, so perhaps he does know a little Arabic?
This is an old comment an an even older video, but I would like to say in case anyone is wondering that his pronunciation is spectacular, except for the fact that he pronounces the "L" in "al-" in front of some letters where it is supposed to be silent, such as "R". Other than that it is superb.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7ud That's fascinating! I've done some research that showed that many of the pre-Islamic tribes had household stones that they would pay respect to on entering & always wondered what the mythology was behind it. Your explanation makes sense.
@@MrHoot-zp7ud just because you are from Saudi Arabia doesn't mean you own or can use that to tell others you are wrong. That is a matter of belief you hold, not entirely factual.
Thank you. I wish more people across the world would study history and culture. We could understand each other a lot better and a lot faster.
if more people will do then they will immediately leave islam once and for all.
@@vikrraal just opposite will happen
@@vikrraal then obviously indians introduce them selves 😂
@@anamfatima2660 I actually did that and left islam. Go figure
@@Didartie then u never understood
I actually never stopped to think about what religion would have been like in Arabia before Islam
Incredibly fascinating
Considering it is the youngest of the major monotheistic religions created in the 7th century AD, it would be strange to not even ponder what existed prior.
@Maurits we don’t.
Evidence of burying the dead is one of the primary criteria for that sans literacy.
I think it's Sanatan Dharm (Hinduism). Because there's still a belief that Khana is none other than the Lord. Shiva linga.
Fungus bread covered by sweets and Cream. That is the newest Arabian religion. One allah One prophet and heaven and hell concept.
@@Rammathodi Oo!
I also love the calm *flow* of the narrator's speech. No hesitancies. Clear enunciation and continuous unfolding of the narrative. And so *informative !* Kudos!
2:44 right as I read this comment lol
Calm, and showing no sign of fear of murder. That is well.
Not a single pause. Beautifully orated. A true scholar of the internet age.
Teleprompter
@@OFFICIALRAMKO Like these in Paper-and-Ink IDOL form: *Qur'an 2:106* “If We abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We *REPLACE* it with a better or similar one. Do you not know that Allah is Most Capable of everything?”
*Qur'an 3:54* “Then they schemed, and Allah countered their schemes by schemes of His own. Allah is the best of *SCHEMERS”*
*Qur'an 4:82* “Do they not ponder about the Qur’an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much *INCONSISTENCIES.”*
*Qur'an 15:9* "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." Thus it is not Our Messenger whom you are _calling_ *INSANE* but in fact this abusive remark applies to _us._
*Qur'an 16:101* “When We replace a verse with another and Allah knows best what He reveals - they say, “You ˹Muḥammad˺ are just a *FABRICATOR* In fact, most of them do not know.”
When talking about Paganism we should remember that Pagan is derived from the Latin "Pagana" or " country dweller" meaning that rural people were more likely to hang onto the old religion. Originally there were no negative connotations to the word but sadly that certainly has changed over the years.
i still dont really understand what paganism is. does it just refer to any polytheistic religion?
@@pb7199 try understanding Hinduism or sanatan Dharma, this is the oldest religion / dharma there is.
@John Xina No, people of Islam and missionaries still use 'false god worshipper' a genocidal term for Hindus as they did to pegans
@Theren sikhs are monotheistic
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
I love how history used to be written in the old times. I would like to imagine a nerd of a man, unmarried, regarded by the society as a freak compulsively tagging along with roman soldiers in arabia, wandering out at night, writing his account of the world he sees so that he could write a book and keep it in his library when he returns 2 decades later to his land. These are the guys we should be grateful about.
Your description sounds so cute haha 😭😭😂
can someone explain to me what this comment means? I don't really get it.
@@Ziad3195 History was written by solo weirdo travvelers in ancient times
@@edoardoturco8780 I see
@@Ziad3195 that ancient scribes were nerds among soldiers, knights, and royals
Arabia was very complex.. i just wonder how many secrets and remantnts of old religion and structures are in the sands of Arabia..
No, there are only some page robbed in old schools, the same of christians, hebrews and other fake religion, that don't study, don't understand becouse don't do homeworks! th-cam.com/video/ShaWeLvFjwk/w-d-xo.html
@@intrue5021 all religions are 'fake' if you mean 'created by men'.
you are worshipping myths and ghosts.
@@ericvulgate : You don't know any religion... men can't understand also they're stupidity... Don't try to talk about what you don't know, it's ignorance: th-cam.com/video/C5-4GtXQvBE/w-d-xo.html
@@ericvulgate excellent deducting Watson now what's your proof
@@ericvulgate Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool
Can't wait for this. I do suggest the work of Pre and Early Islamic Arabic philologist Ahmed Al-Jallad, he has some fascinating insights into the Pre Islamic belief system based on the numerous rock etchings and writings found across Arabia.
How surprised were you when you finally saw the video and noticed it was basically completely based on his works?
Expected nothing less from this guy and his diligent research.
;)
As salamu alaykum bro. Are there are any historical evidence for sabians?
@@LetsTalkReligion awesome work as usual. Have always wanted to see Ahmed Al-Jallad work discussed and brought forth. Keep up the good work
Have watched a number of your videos over the past week or so, and have to admit: You find and include the most evocative, beautiful art in the essays. This is no small feat .... Thanks for your work. There's not enough intellectual inquiry these days.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Ad a historian I find it extremely important and interesting to know the polytheistic background of the various modern monotheistic religions. It goes a long way to explain each one and all at the same time. It does not weaken one’s personal religion, but instead strengthens it.
How so?
@@fynnfish 🤓
@@fynnfish Knowing that the Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans were polytheist adds a LOT of credence.
@@fynnfishwell take noah’s ark, a story many dismiss as fantasy until you look into many other religions in the area have a VERY similar story besides a few key differences (besides the fact the other stories have more than 1 god) and that these stories likely came from a source very long ago rather than simply being made up by story tellers over time. ofc the story changes but the plot stays similar.
Can’t believe I just discovered this channel. And on a fascinating topic as this at that.
Better late than never :)
Same here!
@Grim FPV it was part of this of course
@@LetsTalkReligion why dont you have a conversation or a podcast with some of the scolars here on YT. Might help you and us see different points of view.
The one I do know is Muhammad Hijab
I am a HARDCORE atheist, but that's not to say that I am not interested in what people's nonsense ideas were and how they evolved into the nonsense ideas they have today. Infidel!!!
The amount of quality work here is just refreshing. Thank God that I stumbled upon such a respectful, historical and a lot of helpful channel about religion in general. I really, really appreciate the way you talk, it is so hard to not pay attention to you talking. Also, I can't stress enough how much I appreciate that you are not one of those "I can't pronounce this" or "I will probably butcher this if I say it" type of lazy people. You actually took time to learn couple of words/sentences and continue to pronounce them with such confidence is again, very refreshing and appreciated. Subscribed and would recommend this channel to everyone. Thank you sir, my brain is thankful for you sharing your knowledge.
Everything he is saying is a lie.
I agree, a lot of anglophone content creators particularly have this lazy « I can’t speak foreign » attitude that I can’t stand.
@@dragonstar4770 Calls something that you don’t believe in despite of substantial evidence & research cuz personal belief.
Refuses to elaborate.
Leave.
I love it when content creators make the effort to learn to pronounce things correctly, it elevates them to a whole different level and I have so much more respect for them. There's another channel I watch, which is more of the "fun" side of history, called Tasting History with Max Miller, and even though it's much more lighthearted but he puts serious effort into each episode and he nails all the pronunciations.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Ahmad Al-Jallad is one of the most interesting scholar of Islamic and Quranic studies right now, especially because his expertise on other Arabic languages/dialects and scripts, other than Qurayshi/Quranic dialect and the Nabataean-Syrian form of Arabic script. His works really are important, refreshing, and much-needed contribution to the field.
you are asolutely right
@خربــز wat
Anyone that claims Arabic is originally from Syria/ N. Arabia is considered stupid in my eyes. The Arabic language and it’s ancestor old Arabic were spoken in Arabia way before the existence of the Nabateans. The Nabateans are known to have migrated from the Hejaz. Arabic tribes and people are from Yemen. Masons trying to rewrite history won’t change a thing.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Just a correction my friend! Nabatean Arabic was actually the Ancient Jordanian dialect
I love that he put citations in the description box which I personally experienced to be so rare! It makes thing easier for people to refer which allow better discussion, since it’s backed up
I was just researching about this topic like 3 weeks ago, excited
The algorithm worked for you!
@@MrElvis1971 😂😂😂
What's very interesting is how things, even with religion removed, changed. For example the architecture, the clothes, the government systems, the customs and traditions. In the West and much of the media, Arabia or Islam are always presented as this fixed nonchanging exotic location with a single language, religion, way of clothing etc. where in reality it was as diverse and as ever changing as any other place. As Europe went from the classical ages (think ancient Greece), to Romans, and to the Medieval Age (knights), so did Arabia, and neither did it as a single step that you'd see in a Civ video game. This is something that "nationalists" ignore even on 'domestic' matters, always presenting the Vikings or Medieval Knights as this fixed idea that fits neatly into untouchable categories. In reality it's more like a web, and instead of solid color squares, it's more like an 'intermixing' rainbow... if you get what I mean. So now my mind has been intrigued and I want to learn more about this. Forget just Islam, give me the "secular/evidence based" history of Arabia - let's look at it from an Academic lens... that's often missing in these topics.
"Forget just Islam, give me the "secular/evidence based" history of Arabia - let's look at it from an Academic lens... "
Oh yes, and DO mention the historical experience modern people have, because of Civ.
I invaded more countries, conquered more lands and killed more adversaries than Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Alexander the Great AND Julius Caesar, and these experiences matter. I changed the course of history, I upgraded all these cultures, I did all that. It felt quite real.
So I read about history from my most experienced point of view. The say "winners write history books". I feel like I am one of them, the best of them actually.
It was not today
People who are ignorant of history thinks a transition of one era toward another only happens with violence or the wipe out of an entire culture and civilization. In reality people changes like trends. I dont say this only for one group of people but everyone who are ignorant toward history
Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush...let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint Setyan..
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
i don't know if there is anyone else on TH-cam whose work I have more respect for. Out comes a guy from Sweden who has helped me understand so much about the religion/culture I was born into. Thank you so much!
Listen to Bart Ehrman and potholer54. They are unbelievable.
Check out also Blogging Theology
His work has made me leave Islam.
Alhamdullilah!
You were predestined to be different(Romans 8:29), he who has an ear to hear, let him hear(Mark 4:9).
HALLELUYAH!(PRAISE YE YAH!)
@Andrew Whyte Why do you say so? Everything I have heard has been exceptional.
I can't emphasize enough how much this video means to me. I am not a person who says this often, but my understanding about Islam changed significantly after watching this over and over. I'm not sure whether Philip would see this comment of mine or not, but I want to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. Also, if you're seeing it, do a part two of this😅
Al-Lat is close to Athene/Minerva, not Aphrodite. She is actually somewhere represented as Minerva in syncretistic images. Thank you for the episode.
Al lat is the greek godess Hecate. The same manat, astarte, Lilith, ishtar, isis
@@angelaschone2847 who is allah then?
@@yurichtube1162 allah is Hubal. Hu-baal, baal. Baal means lord. There are many baals like baal Shem baal among. They say allah= god, Hu= god's name, akbar = bigger/greater. It means god Hu is greater than the god of Israel.
@Wasteman Grealis lol i told a christian this stuff and what? Read about that i didn't invent anything
@@angelaschone2847 lol it's a suffix, try looking up how Arabic grammar works before spouting inane conjecture.
Hi I lived in Saudi. There is a Nestorian Church in Jubail which many of us expats visited. Until around the 1950s there was an underground group of Christians in the Eastern Province. Tarut had its own bishop at one point before the Wahhabist whirklwind took over.
I drove in the desert and saw rock art and stone circles near Riyadh, ancient Greek cities in the desert also.
Underground because Saudi Arabia doesn't welcome Christianity presumably, yes?
Given the decline of Christianity in the developed world, by the time the Arab cultural sphere gets out of the morass it's been in since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Christianity will probably be almost entirely a southern hemisphere religion!
It's curious how, since 1800CE or so, the more wealthy and modernized a nation becomes, the more it secularizes. All the more reason to get economic development in the Islamic world to temper some of the dangerous fundamentalist tendencies there.
I, for one, would love to visit Saudi Arabia and see some of these historic sites you mention.
This channel is so addictive.
Religion from a historical perspective is such a wonderful topic! Thank you for covering this so concisely.
@@gregoryt8792 yeah the Bible is fiction. But way to be that person on a video that isn’t even about Christianity.
U keep putting one video after other with great content without faltering even once. You have a high proficiency and command over your speech and you engage and inform peacefully and proficiently.
I don't feel like I deserve the high praise. But I appreciate it a lot!
He knows so much about islam yet still rejects it 😐
@@hasanal-hussein7079 It is not up to us to criticize. Be a better Muslim if you want to invoke a better rememberence of God in others.
@@kemalcalsr7591 So do you think he isn't a muslim because he doesn't like the way muslims behave? Do you really think a smart guy like him would commit such a fallacy
@@hasanal-hussein7079 I don't know anything about him other than this channel. I don't have an idea of what he thinks.
What i know is, greatest form of dawah is to represent islamic life as best as we could, in the way Blessed Prophet(pbuh) did. This means not looking down on other people by making self righteous remarks, but showing the beauty of Iman by seeing the beauty of Ar Rahman in an his creation. A muslim who acts good, speaks good(useful), and writes good will serve the faith right. Whereas the one who criticize and look down upon them will only push people away from islam.
I love learning about all religion from a historical perspective.
Me too.
Have a look at the holidays christians celebrate.
Easter for example was originally a Norse thing, they used to paint eggs, the children used to wear rabbit skins and run around giving them out to people. All as a celebration for spring and fertility. Christians adapted this to gain the following of some by still letting them keep their celebrations, just made it mean something else. Days of the week are also Norse.
Religions pretty much went around adopting customs to create new common ideologies that could be used to keep populations together and under a certain belief system
@@freshmilk1313 Easter is more anglosaxon than norse. You get me ? Ok.
me too! is there a word for this subject?
Magical thinking is interesting
omg thank you king, I've been waiting for this for so long!!
I’m only a few minutes in and I’d like to applaud you on how you explain things! You’re not afraid to say what you want to say, but you also make sure to remain respectful. Well done!
Just a few weeks ago around Ramadan, I was learning the arabic history and I assimilated all the data mentioned here. Since I myself researched all data from various sources, I can guarantee for the content of this Video ! Thanks for the efforts mate ❤️
A legendary version of public speaking, for making the better enlightenment for all
Hello
You were predestined to be different(Romans 8:29), he who has an ear to hear, let him hear(Mark 4:9).
HALLELUYAH!(PRAISE YE YAH!)
@@theexile1155 Religions are basically lies. Atheism is best
I was literally thinking about this on my way to work and now I see you’ve posted it. Perfect timing
There's a common theme of the old polytheistic religions being replaced by monotheistic ones, only to then fade away and be replaced by what ever future beliefs will evolve next.
The older polytheistic religions haven't just faded away. They are being revived in many cases. Hinduism and Shinto never faded away at all. Many forms of Buddhism include multiple gods, too.
Lol... hinduism still preserved in indian subcontinent since 5000 years ...it is not ganna fade away...
@Rabid Dog Thats becasue Islam is a tool used by the Arabic Warlords to unite the minds of all the groups in the area under their rule. Of course, this was done with violent force as you mentioned. And this is the same approach with Christianity and its Roman warlords.
Cuz the original message sent by God was monotheism then people altered it and made it polytheistic. If u look at every single polytheistic religion it used to be monotheistic
I have always wondered about this topic. Thank you for all the work you put in to create these informative videos.
You forgot to mention Hubul, the male deity along side Lat, Manat and Uzza. It was as significant as these three female deities.
Watch debate robert morey vs shabir ally
Very true
He mentioned Baal
It is believed that Hubal was an modification of "Ho-wa Ba'al" or "He is Ba'al" .. basically an aspect of Ba'al that was imported into Arabia from Syria.
@@nasiaking Hubal and Ba'al are not the same at all
I was literally reading about this yesterday, great subject, great coverage of it.
I know a lot on this topic, being an Arab and having interest, this video covered all the information I know and added some. Good work well done.
Same
@@agadirand4four347 Hubal is comparable to Zeus, Zeus in Greek mythology does not rule supreme over all being. In any case, true Tawheed in Sufism is to know that Being is but one.
@@agadirand4four347 they say Allah is what you pray to when you are stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean during a mighty storm.
@@agadirand4four347 when you are totally lost and alone in the vast empty desert with no food or water and no one knows where you are, whom do you pray to?
@@agadirand4four347 .
0 dislikes, just the way it should be. This man is a legend. Cultured and respectful. Can't wait for this!
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Comment too early 😔 I see 6 dislikes
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This is very very interesting! I cannot rule out some degree of commonality between pre-Islamic belief systems and the Hindu belief systems considering the geographical closeness of Arabian peninsula to the Indian sub continent, mutual trade and migratory movement of people through Persia and Central Asia. I think this aspect too needs to be explored.
It's possible. But even before India the closest civilisations to them were zoarastrian, Greek cultures also. And as we studied in School the four ancient civilisations were Indus valley, Mesopotamia, the Egyptian and one in China. Both Egyptian and Mesopotamian could also have been influences. Pagan and polytheistic beliefs were I suppose common everywhere, even the Incas of the Americas. So could have indian influences but needn't
@@Neha-xs3xk I have a theory. All people who lived closer to the equator line had some unique and shared belief systems. From that perspective the American civilisational values have something’s common with the Indian civilisation. Having visited many countries in the South America and interacted a little with the indigenous people in North America I can say this. Perhaps there is need to make a comparative study of these civilisations!
@@Neha-xs3xk yes but when you go back that far, you have to appreciate what was the total global population?
Very small.
Then you have things like stoned ape theory? Like, how did advances explode at the most critical junctures of human evolution eg. Linguistically ... deux in french = do in hindi for example ... very basic concept ... similar word in 2 countries that are quite remote even by today's standards.
Because India was a source of great wealth & arabia was a barren desert ... they had to expand outwards for their own survival from the barren desert landscape that they hail from with ancient pagan beliefs & warlords?
I have a theory, the arabs needed india's wealth to fuel their expansion outwards from the desert & islam became their rallying cry - but at it's core it was just in their own self-interest to make arabia centre of the world/universe & establish themselves as rulers.
This is amazing, thank you so much for your work! I'm fascinated by religion and philosophy since I was a child, and I still love learning about it! To me personally it's so important to learn about other cultures and to understand them because this can be the only way to achieve peace. I was always fascinated by Islam and wondering what kind of religion people practiced before that, so I'm very grateful for this video! Liked and subscribed!!!🇮🇪👍😊
Islam is from the Devil.
Muhammad was never a prophet of GOD.
What about the Banshee and ancient Gaelic deities .. what about the supreme kings of the Tara and the sacred trees
I’m so glad I found this channel! I enjoy learning about religions in general, it has always fascinated me how people follow different paths and the various world views and beliefs different communities hold so its so refreshing to find it just from a knowledge point of view and not from a biased (either side of the spectrum) viewpoint.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
This is VERY important work for civilization as a whole. Thank you for your research; we ALL need to be broad in our understanding of each other. Understanding contributes dramatically to patience and MORE understanding of each other's differences. Knowledge of History is critical! Thank you again.
Agree with your point but it is unrealistic and will never be achieved. Few people have strong interest in continuous learning or expanding their knowledge and world view. So what to do when so many will definitely remain ignorant and remain brainwashed by whatever tripe the popular media run by globalist control freaks chooses to tell them.
@@redpillhope I agree, with OP, and then you as well.
Sad truths.
@Rabid Dog how many times are you going to post this nonsense on this thread? If you knew history extreme violence is rampant with many nations and beliefs. Just hammering on Islam shows your agenda. Extreme violence unfortunately is part of human history.
The point of the video is to offer some information to those who are interested, not to further troll agendas.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
The Saudis do not have a civilization, rather they used to live in ignorance, they do not have a civilization. Rather, the inhabitants of deserts do not even have water. It was a barren desert, and their face was disgusting with a foul smell😊
Highly appreciated , brilliant as usual.
Been watching you for a while. This is probably your best episode.
As a Westerner I find myself fascinated by what Arabian culture was like before Islam as it's hard to differentiate what we perceive as 'Muslim' vs. Arabian culture.
Is okay Michael thanks for your fascination hope you can visit some arab countries
its not hard to differentiate arab and muslim culture at all
This channel has seen exponential growth this year. 2021 has certainly been very fruitful for you. Wishing you the best of luck for your future endeavours!
sound , tone and very spoken words were clear -clean and beautiful..
Hello, I've recently learned your videos and watched most of it; you rock, man!
And as an Turkish alevi, I'm looking forward to seeing video that explains alevism, with differences from nusayris and Shia. Cheers
The enunciation of the words from the Persian script was pretty much perfect. Thanks for such study.
I read in a book that persian gods never havent human forms.
Similar with Shinto kami, and the human forms became very late in the eighteen or nineteen century.
I see that almost human representation of the ancient gods were a rarity.
Super good video! It's great that we're learning more of the politheistic world in ancient Arabia through archeology and how it relates to the monotheistic world.
It was so cute when you pronounced milieu as miljö ❤️ the pronunciation is close anyway. The Swedish vowel is further back and more open than in french/English.
I don't think the o umlaut and u umlaut sounds exist in English
@@pokerface7840 There is a similar sound. For example, the word 'girl' sounds a lot like "görl".
Hats off! Most accurate and reflects the deep knowledge the gentleman Al-Jallad possesses which I assume took at least years of hard work! Thanks a lot for the illuminating video & keep up with the good work!
Dear mr.majeed.do you belive that there was some religion earlier to Islam.which was the first religion
Very informstive. Scholarly and entertaining at the same time. Toda!
I found your channel recently and I can't stop watching your videos. It is what I was looking for a long time. Your videos are so informative, the way you are explaining very complicated issues is really interesting, you are very objective, humble, smart and you have such a smooth voice. Please keep it up!
@Abhinandan Zambare sounds interesting
All what you have said was taught to us in arab countries when we were in schools as kids
i am so proud of how our history was not corrupted by muslim historians and scholars
Our history is well preserved because of the honest and loyal people who came before us
True, he mentioned in the beginning that there is bias in Islamic scholars books but all he said is exactly what I was taught in school and what is written in the Islamic scholars books.
@@khaledkee3094 yesss this is what i thought too
@@tassnemzaid9486 early Muslims were honest and great people , telling lie was not existed in their dictionary . yes , latter bad generations were started to come ...
Very true! Almost all, in not just all, he said is in line with what Islam teaches. That the scripture of the rock couldve been christian, is also very possible and nothing new to islam. Muhammad (pbuh) didnt "invent" anything new. He just came following the line of prophets.
1:29 ?
"Hi, I'm Sam the son of Ben the son of Bill the son of Bob."
"Oh, hello, so-and-so."
Nice to meet you Sam Benson Williamson Robertson
What should i call you then😂
😂 is Bill realy your grandfather name?
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The most amazing thing in this entire video is the way this guy speaks, very clear and articulate in both English and Arabic alike.
Well, I learned a few interesting things today watching this. Most specific is that the name al-Rahim means The Merciful. Rather appropriate, since the man who gave me a job 8 years ago (when I was at my lowest financial ebb ever) is named Rahim. He was indeed merciful in giving me employment. I am 65 years old now, and still work for him, though on a reduced basis as I am easing into retirement.
I also appreciate your ability to pronounce the Arabic words and names. Though I am no expert on the language, you certainly sound authentic.
Hearing about these people with little judgement is very refreshing. Great video!!!!
I think you forgot to mention the diety 'HUBUL', which arabian thought highly of. It's said that it was bought by Quraish from the Jordon when they migrated to mecca at the end of 4th century.
Wasn't he known as the Sky God, able to see great distances?
Just kidding, of course. But hey, you never know.
Yadayadayada
Thank you for posting this! as a layman doing research on this, it's still quite challenging to find good and balanced information on this. There are so many sources I'll dig into only to start getting a very disconcerting sense of an overtly hostile bias or agenda.
This channel is * chef's kiss* la classe!
Interesting. No thought is an orphan. There are always ancestors and offspring. Here is a concept: we have all seen genetic migratory maps. And archeological cultural artifact maps. How about adding religious/philosophy maps? Overlay each in a time frame? Visual display of peoples, symbols and ideas migrating over time and geography like conceptual weather maps?
I tried to do a map of evolution and spreading of religious ideas since beginning to modern times, and outcome is unpublishable since:
- it concludes that sky-father and earth-mother are being worshipped at least since 100k BC in Eastern Coast of Africa
- it links "flood period" and spreading of Japhet-Sem-Cham to catastrophical events of 39,5k BC,
- it colcludes that there was some racial-religious war between proto-Afroasiatics, proto-Kartveli and Nilotic peoples over the Asia Minor and Balkans, first won by Nilotics c.a.25k years ago, and later they were exterminated after 19k BC by proto-IE peoples who just arrived from the Steppe of Turkmenistan,
- it concludes that Globular Amphora culture imposed their religion over pre-Pyramidic Egypt, over legendary period of China and across ocean to Mexico and Columbia,
- it concludes dominating Middle East in Sumerian times by Burmanese-Vietnamese religion,
- it includes another very controversial claim that hieroglyphs of Maine Indians were descendants of hieroglyphs of late Old Kingdom of Egypt,
- it also includes that c.a. 1100AD there was some "special mission" from Denmark allied with Templars to impose snake religion on Americas and make them ready for later slaughter, after that started many old Columbians and Peruvians fled to Indonesia, Easter Island and to Hawaii where they met Polinesians (eg. word "Oahu" comes from old Easter Island languages clearly influenced by proto-Inca and means "stone platform").
No matter how well I can prove my thesis, I still will be object of hard attack from all of my older colleagues in the University.
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@@krakendragonslayer1909 this is fascinating I would love to hear more about your thesis!
@@somasafya2058 In some 2-3 years It'd be finished and published at university, then It will be ready for full scrutiny.
As a Muslim, this is my favourite way to delve into religion., historically :D ! Great job, this was really informative and respectful :)
That is how you approach it no matter what your personal faith happens to be.
@Mayssaa El Ghazzaz Hadith comes 200 to 300 years later after the events. Also, not written by anyone in Arabia. To say they are suspect is an understatement.
@Mayssaa El Ghazzaz How little you know. I teach a comparative world religion course at the University level. I am well acquainted with the hadith. As I stated, it comes far too late to be of any historical value. In fact, evidence from the seventh century is very poor. Not until the inscription on the dome of the rock in 691 do we hear anything about Islam at all.
Jay Smith's work on this is incredible. I suggest you watch this with an open mind and prepare to hear some difficult things about Islam, especially Mecca, the Quran and Mohammad.
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@@DisposableHero2012
Why would you believe a proven liar such as Jay smith LOL
Awesome video. Loved the part about the history of poets being held as conduits. Really gave me more context to Islam So interesting
Lakhmids adopted Nestorian ( Nasrani). After Nestorian persecution in Rome, they took refuge to Sassanid Persia. They settled near Lakhmid cities Kufa and Hirah. After a few years Lakhmid people converted to Nestorianism. That was a big factor which had a significant impact on the shaping of the history of the middle east in that era and later in Islamic (Abbasid) Persia.
Its so important to know these things....TY for your hard work!
I wonder if there is a study like this on pre USA
I really like the sections where you read the original language and then translate it to English. As a mono-lingual English speaker this is very fascinating and value added
Hey! I really appreciate how you take the effort to learn the proper pronunciation of every word.
In Adelaide, South Australia. Won’t be up that late but will see the video of this crucial topic. Jung pointed out that new religious developments come out of the old. Some have reactions against elements of the old. Those seem to leave the old elements behind but they fall into the unconscious and operate from there. The assimilation of pagan deities by Christian saints are an example. The Church was often uncomfortable with this comparing some of it to idolatry. Jung was convinced that pagan elements resurfaced very negatively in the Nazis. So, we could look at Islam for something similar. Paganism was characterised by the ecstatic body. Mysticisms also. Enter Sufism, not to mention the Prophet, pbuh, with Gabriel in the cave. So, in what way might we see the Goddess in Islam? We might remember the feminine elements in Kabbalah, too. Finally, excellent work, a real vocation. Many, many thanks.
Sufis came much later and kabla is shia thing
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Hi Mohamed, some aspects of being human fall into the unconscious, go underground, and surface later in a new form. Sometimes in a good way; sometimes in a bad way. Usually a bit of both.
Goddess in islam is non apparent. In islam God is not associated with any gender, as gender is a human aspect. When translating arabic to english the word God tends to acquire a musculine form. However, the word in arabic itself does not identify a gender.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I think by kabbalah, he is referring to Jewish book often associated with elements of black magic.
@@nowshadahmed3033 Hi Nowshad, I mean aspects of pagan practices that might emerge again in Islamic societies and not necessarily in Islam itself. I am not sufficiently educated in such things to know. It is merely a question. Jung’s thought was that the Germanic Wotan pattern was a driver in the Nazis. They were not a religion yet they might be seen as a perversion of one.
Love your channel man just found it about a month ago keep up the great work! You have some serious story telling skills
Very interesting video! I greatly enjoy the study of history, and the religious aspect is often one that eludes me, coming from my agnostic perspective.
I will definitely be watching some more of your videos to learn more about the world's many varieties of faith.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7udreally mate?
You are not doing your religion any favours by reposting the same dogmatic message on every vaguely religious comment.
I just found this.. so interesting. I have studied comparative religion at university, but this context is so well researched and contains much that I have not encountered before. New subscriber here. Thanks again.
Great video as always. Well researched, respectful and very informative. Excellent work.
My own academic interests are primarily focused on philosophy and psychology generally. Nevertheless, I think religious phenomenon are important aspects of both and it’s excellent to have an unbiased source of information. This channel and likewise it’s new podcast will continue to be a source of relevant information for me. Excellent work my friend!
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
Absolutely amazing video! Just a suggestion, could you perhaps do a video on the Mu'tazilite school of Islam?
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I really appreciate you bringing these topics up for discussion. It is something i crave and I am so thankful.
Whenever we spent time in the desert , I always wondered what the huge oceans of sand could have covered ( in Arabia)
I think the same too.. What's the point of these huge uninhabitable deserts, is God hiding some secrets beneath these sand dunes or they are just here to take up space
@@faaizmumtaz1762 maybe plenty of dead t-rex which is now became oil.
@@waleed8530 T-Rex were found only in North America.. All the fossil fuels are miles beneath the surface so making deserts to hide ancient skeletons does not make much sense
It's called oil صديقي
@@faaizmumtaz1762 dinasours founded in morocco
I love your videos but couldnt stop laughing at" Religiousmiljö".. LOL mostly because i wasnt expecting it. Thank you for this video as an arab i learned much about pre-Islamic arabia at school. We even learn many of the Mu'alaqat which i really loved. The thing that bothers me is that all we know about islamic history especially about Mohammads life comes almost only from islamic resources. I wish the archaeological exploration would tell us more of the other side of the story.
milieu is the word (in French and used with the same spelling in English) and means social environment. Miljö is just an adaption into Swedish
Your Arabic pronunciation is perfect. Did you live somewhere that speaks Arabic before?
@Atheos K but his pronunciation is actually good for a non-Arabic speaker
London lol
@@Vlad_Salami_Gamig LOL!!!
س and ص to westerns is like B and P to Arabs
Also his pronunciations of Arabic Shi'a terms /holidays was really off, given the way they are pronounced in the Shi'i societies.
It was wonderful to stumble across an unpretentious dialogue on a subject that interests me greatly, by a very knowledgeable person with excellent communication skills and no apparent religious agenda. Well done!
A bit off topic about poems :
I really enjoy the pre Islamic poetry . You have no idea how beautiful it is . You talked about it :( moalakat ) or hanging poems . It gives us an idea How generous they were . They were also so proud of their tribes and their manners .
Their is a phenomenon called ( checking the ruins ) which is so heart breaking .. The Arabs used to stay in one place in a house and leave it after a while to another one . The lover go back after like twenty years to remember his loved one who lived there once before . Talking to all the silence , to the remains of the house.. all memories that brought him the pain of his lost love
. They usually started the poem by bringing incidents like this to show their loyalty to their ex .
Antar/ Alba love story is a fantastic one. Antar was literally like today’s Superman . A Very strong warrior who brings fear to his enemies. And guess what a very soft and kind lover as well who wanted nothing but to marry Alba his loved one .
On top of that ,,Antar was a very well known poet.
Their story is like Romeo and juliet with different details of course .
As an excellent poet Antar had
Her everything written in his poems ,her features / the way she talks , his joy and pain as well as details of his own fights. How he remembered her even at war time when he was defending his tribe .. my words will never explain their noble love and feelings .
It is like a message that comes to you from thousands of years . it is way different when it comes from the middle of the desert.
I love Antra for me he is the best poet in pre islamic.
I have tried to translate the meaning of two lines and it’s show how crazy he was 😂😂😂.
“ and my horse was the businessman of deaths, and he ( the horse) went through its ( the death) market and has bought and sold.
And my sword was a doctor in the battlefield, which cures people whom complained from headaches”
@@obbsh7105 one of his best lines ..
For sure
And there is a lot more ..
There is another one that says :
Your doctor will say I have your cure , when he checks your arm and palm.
And if the dr knew the treatments of sickness , none of them could have suffered the agony of death.
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Yeah. It’s from the same poem.
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But according to Islam pre Arabia was this evil girls killing human sacrificing cultic people
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According to islam it’s called Jaheliah era which means ignorance era. This name referring to ignorance of religion and some culture activities. However, Arab pre islam have many values such generosity honesty bravery and almost all of their history are in their poetry
Great content I'm new to this channel and certainly new as well to this type of respectful discussion between strangers over the Internet
Looking forward to this.
You're amazing. I really enjoy and benefit a lot from our videos.
This is one of the most fascinating topics
I know!!
Love this channel bro
Very well done. Your research is on point. Good job.
literally, this is one of the best and worthy TH-cam channels that anyone can subscribe to. Thank you
Thanks for this beautiful video 😊 I like your chill presentation style and the obvious effort you’ve put into providing the facts. Also your choice of art is sooooo lovely! Keep up the good work!
Why is your prononciation so good? (Disclaimer: I don't speak Arabic)
Excellent, objective, well researched and without any clichés ... Really appreciate the work you are doing ...
Somewhere I have always felt that there is lot of influence of various traditions on each other irrespective of the geographical or time difference/distance amongst them ... there is a continuity of traditions in one form or the other ...
For example, I am mighty intrigued by various postures that a devout Muslim takes while offering her prayers ... all these are very similar to various Yogic mudras/exercise that evolved in ancient India ... Are there mention or usage of any such traditions or postures in pre-Islamic Arabia? Incidentally, why did Prophet Mohammed introduced this form of prayer or Salaat ... it is the only one where the devotee is dynamic and takes various postures unlike in other traditions where it is static .... Some day some wise person would like to explore this too ... Thanks for the good work ... More power to you!
This is great. Something I have been longing to hear more about
Wow! This is so interesting. I would want to meet someone who still believes in pre-Islamic religions, if there is still someone out there who believes in the old religions!
In yemen there was a few people who belive in the god of sun and moon
They even do the stuff the old people did
They didn't exist for too long because the "colera" and some clans fights happend between them
One of their deeds that can't be forgotten is having se*x with the corps before they bury it
It was some of hemyar old culture before selmon come and make one of the greatest leaders of old yemen become a beliver of the one only GOD
The story is More long and my English is trash
Sorry if you can't understand some words 💀
I believe reconstructionists of the pre-Islamic polytheism exists, I’ve seen some myself, though I haven’t worked in it personally (I’m a Hellenic polytheism reconstructionist) but I’ve definitely seen them around. Try “Wathanism“
i love this. your style is great. i love how you chose a very specific topic and critically analysed it so well. new sub
Very interesting, thank you!. Never thought I would learn a lot about my culture from a foreigner. Regarding the subject I'm from a village north of Najd where there are cemeteries facing Jerusalem. In Islam cemeteries have to face Makkah. It's speculated that the people who lived there were monotheistic non-Muslims.
There is evidence that the kibla was changed, from Jerusalem to Mecca.
And the best way to learn your culture is to listen to people form a different background. You can not see the color of your eyes, unless you use a mirror.
Likewise, you can not know your culture, unless you learn about it from "foreigners" and "strangers".
@@agadirand4four347 It is an innovation
and it was for political reasons
mecca does not matter unless you are an arab who hates jews
I AM NON ARAB ,AND MECCA MATTERS
@@worfozbefore it was Spain,it was called al -andulus same applies to you people,the best way to learn your culture is to listen from a different background,😁😁😁
@Real Gigachad some what educated muslim know that change in qiblah
all six of them?
FYI: Abraham was not a muslim, he never was in Mecca and the ka´aba was a pagan temple with 360 arab gods
alla was one of them
ask educated muslims about it
Love this. I've always wondered why Arabs went monotheistic but we're not converting to christianity.
This was so lucid and easy to understand. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciated. Greetings from Pakistan
As an Arab, from Arabia, i find this very fascinating and informative. Many thanks.
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7udI’ve never heard of this. Your description is inaccurate.
They used to worship many gods in the form of idols like hubal, allat, aluzza, manat, and many others.
This video is a lot more accurate than your explanation.
@@zaidal-hindawi1784 (hubal, allat, aluzza and manat) are all feminine names. why are they feminine names? Because the people who made these names up, climes that they are the names of God’s daughters (the Angels).
@@MrHoot-zp7ud Hubal was not a female god, He was not a daughter of any god. And there were many other idols that were neither male nor female.
Interesting fact:
Harakhman (the merciful) is the Hebrew version of Al-Rahman and is used in many places in the Sidur (book of prayer). Particularly it is invoked in the many pleads we add at the end of Birkat Hamazon, the standard prayer after a meal.
The form Rahmanan also appears in some prayers, notably those who incorporate Aramaic.
It's always interesting to find these commenalities
I'm from Saudi Arabia and your description of the pre-Islamic religions was inaccurate. We believed in Allah the creator of everything, but we thought that he didn't care about humans ( he was not merciful) and we believed that he had daughters (The Angels) and fathers, (usually), will listen to their daughters, so the spirits of these angels (the daughters of God) will enter the stone statues, and if we give our sacrifices to these idols statues they, (the daughters of God), will intercede on our behalf to God.
@@MrHoot-zp7ud I think you may have replied on the wrong comment. I didn't talk about pre-Islamic faiths
@@CerebrumMortum sorry
the epithet probably comes from the canaanite religion, the god El elyon is called the merciful, and it's probably pronnounced in a cognate way to rachman.
I never knew people like you exist. I am so grateful I found your channel.