I went to middle school with Eldon. Lakes Magnet Middle School in CD'A. My best buddy Terrance and I tried to befriend Eldon. We noticed how lonely he seemed and how other kids avoided him because he was quite frankly.. weird. We tried to look past the weirdness and get him out of his shell a bit. Let's just say some of the stories he had told us about his life before moving to the area was wild and seemed like an unhinged fantasy. Nonetheless Terrance and myself would eat lunch with him and hang out with him on breaks. Until one day he stopped showing up to school and we shortly found out why. It was a shock and made all the stories he told us a lot more believable. I feel bad for Eldon. He didn't stand a chance with the parents and family life he had. He was so smart too. It's a shame how everything happened really. I still think about him often. It's crazy that I see a video like this pop up in my recommended and I can actually think back to times I've actually had conversations with Eldon. Crazy stuff.
Thank you for providing more backstory and for befriending Eldon. Unfortunately, the damage was already done by his pernicious parents and continued until this tragedy.
I can't believe he went to an adult prison. That tiny little young boy that can't even speak clear normal sentences. He seems so immature. To be around grown men in a prison seems crazy. They are going to eat him alive. Also, Did the detectives ever consider that he killed his brother first? I was thinking that he killed, or was in the process of killing his brother when his dad attacked him. That is why he killed his dad. He was torn about his dad but never about his brother. He wanted to hide the fact that he killed his brother but not that he killed his dad. It was just really odd.
Damn that’s so sad to hear, can’t imagine what has been in your head for all this time. Also, was the note at 28:24 a school thing? If so how no teacher raised any type of suspicion about a 14yo kid talking about weapons that much?
I didn't have it nearly as bad as this poor kid and I still hold some resentment towards my parents. Dad especially. I won't be doing anything like this since I don't live at home anymore but I can see how resentment, especially mixed with a likely mental illness, can explode this violently.
I remember saying I hated my father and a relative was like "Oh, you don't hate him." No, I hated him and I still do 50 years later. I don't know why people don't take emotional abuse seriously.
Children know that they are meant to be raised with love, respect, safety, and routine. Every child deserves love and safety from their caretakers. A kid who doesn't recieve that will be angry and bitter. I feel so bad for kids having to overcome abuse and neglect.
I don't think people realize just how much work is needed for a documentary this size and with this kind of editing. Props to you guys, I hope I can get at least a fraction of your success. Well executed as usual. 👏
Imagine being 14 years old and your entire life you dad has convinced you the zombie apocalypse is around the corner and has a trailer full of weapons and leaves loaded guns around the house?! Now top it off with him taking drugs and physically assaulting you. This kid lived in a constant state of fear and it’s so heartbreaking to me.
@@pepeshadilayidgaf about ppl I don't know but this looks like serious abuse if hes malnourished and dimwitted and living in squalor, his mom run off etc
Side note: From personal experience, you don't always know where one was hit because of the stress. I didn't realize I was stabbed or stomped on till the bruising of shoe prints showed up all over my body. And the bleeding, I thought was from the fall when I was robbed. Just saying... brain will block details when enduring trauma.
That's not stress,that's called adrenaline lol And that's a major difference between military and regular civilians lol. We were trained to harness that adrenaline and use it. Wooooooooo.
agreed. i fell off a roof onto a spiked fence and only noticed my knee scratches. Didn't realize my entire thigh had been ripped open until a friend who saw it happen freaked out
what he did is obviously extremely tragic and messed up but when they said his sister had told police "he never had a chance", that broke my heart. your environment changes everything
BS, he's an f'd in the head psychopath. He wasn't abused. Those of us who were actually abused can easily see through this little BS schtick of his. He's a selfish little prick with 10 folders worth of mental problems. 8 months between beatings sounds like a f'n resort. Please don't waste your pity on this POS. There's plenty more children who actually deserve.
The statements made by Jr’s oldest son, and father, make me think they both ignored Jr’s abuse of his children. Malnourishment and rotted teeth don’t happen overnight.
“He stares at you, and you feel like you’re in a fishbowl.” That is THE most accurate description of an abuser I’ve heard so far. This is what they mean by trust your gut; we’re not always conscious of it, but people like Eldon and Junior put you off for a reason.
Yeah that line caught me too. I've met folks who that line describes perfectly. I dont disagree with the charges, but I have no doubt there was a seriously toxic and abusive household that lead to those murders.
This is NOT a sign of an abuser. It's something troubled people do when thinking about their situation or about problem solving. The dad probably went outside I on the porch to have the freedom of thinking in a more quiet atmosphere. If unknown people wave their hand at him, might not even have been perceived by him at all when being totally focused on his thoughts about problem solving and life situation.
@@lisasternenkind6467 I know exactly what u mean.. and I bet everyone on here has been staring off in a daze some point and completely miss things going on around them and just so happen to be staring in the same direction but almost like ur eyes are blurred bc ur so caught up in thoughts and just didn’t see them waving.. and to the person waving , they think ur a weirdo with an evil gaze bc u didn’t wave back
I remember one day being so fed up with my abusive alcoholic mom that I stood over her bed with a knife, thinking the only way out of it was for her to be gone. I didn’t understand that I just had a couple years until I was an adult and could move out and be free. Thankfully I remembered my brother and my niece and realized that doing it would ruin their lives and traumatize them for life, I couldn’t do that to them. It was like battered woman syndrome but for a child. Now I have no contact with my mom anymore, it’s the most peaceful my life has ever been, and I see a therapist once a week. Remember, even though things may be awful right now, it has to end eventually. 2-3 years feels like forever but it really isn’t. Stay strong, it’ll be ok.
Been in a very similar situation myself when I was younger. I didn't have family worries to hold me back like you did, but unlike you I did realize that I just had to be patient and the problem would be over when I was free. I could chose to impulsively end the problem now and be stuck in prison for life (thought life was the penalty at the time) or I could wait a couple years and I could just leave. I ended up choosing to wait. Nowadays when I get intense thoughts of sewerslide due to all the stress of my life, I just remember that piece of wisdom I realized: that I just had to wait and it would pass, and everything would be okay. You just have to endure.
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@@irmavep9917I don’t wanna sound dumb which I probably am. But how are they going to know if this comment was from him/her years later if it even would be that long, Especially knowing there’s no actual private info needed to have a TH-cam account. (Serious question by the way.) the account Doesn’t even have an actual name.
It wouldn't surprise me if Eldon were on the spectrum as well, and support for him was neglected because he wasn't as high-needs as his brother. This whole story is heartbreaking.
Like others in this comment section, I too grew up in an abusive household. The physical abuse stopped when I turned 10, but having very unstable parents in a tiny low income home proved to be disastrous for my and my sibling’s mental health. I learned the hard way that CPS doesn’t care one bit about emotional turmoil- as long as you are being fed, and don’t have marks on you, they will happily leave you with abusive parents This feeling of being trapped and having literally no escape was so suffocating that I suffered a 5 month long psychotic break when I was 16. Near the end of this break, my body moved on its own (Extreme depersonalization), and I grabbed a fork and shoved it into my throat. I would have done anything to escape purgetory, and in that very specific moment… I was willing to. It’s hard to describe the existential crisis that came with growing up around so much chaos and suffering. But… despite it all, as a 20 year old I am the happiest person on the planet. I somehow learned that letting go of anger and pain was the best way to overcome both A saying I really connect with, “Heal before you have children, so they do not have to heal from you.”
Well in fairness often the foster care system can be just as abusive. If not far worse. So those individuals have to choose between not only taking you away from the only line of stability you have, but now paying an astronomical amount to put you into a different abusive home we’re more than likely you’re also going to have additional S abuse. Hopefully you can grow to let go of resentment and have understanding that you’re parent/parents were not mentally capable of being everything a child deserves. Possibly even learn to be grateful. By that I mean I’ve seen both types of families healthy/non-. Often the people that come from unhealthy household have a direct advantage in many ways. They don’t go into the world with the same level of naivety or being sheltered so much to the point where you’ve become useless. Ask children that came from foster parent households. Most of them as adults Will tell you that they’d rather have been in an abusive household with their families then go to the foster care system and then be abused by strangers. If you’re disappointed by how much the system already failed you imagine there being even more areas of the system you’re enveloped in? Do you think they would do an even better job? Everything the government does sucks. The more they are involved the worse it gets. I also came from a similar household. I’ve pulled myself out from the gutter in that time I’ve met multiple self-made millionaires. People who are well rounded, hard workers, emotionally resilient etc. essentially every single one came from a poor/abusive background. Whereas The overwhelming majority of those I know that came from middle/upper middle class or wealthy families rarely have these attributes refined. They grow up with a sense of entitlement/arrogance myriad into their 40s+. Best thing I can tell you is to start looking at your parent/s in a childlike manner. Or as if they have a mental health condition. I’d also suggest (if and when the time comes) Do not bother telling them you forgive them. Because there’s a fair chance you’re gonna be extremely disappointed with the reaction. It’s reasonably normal around that age to go through extreme emotional psychosis. Your hormones are all out of whack, the magnitude of life begins to come to the forefront of your mind. Anxiety/depression and even nihilism are all NORMAL -> heck I’ve known multiple individuals who came from literal perfect household. Little House on the Prairie, Rich. Perfect perfect perfect in every way, yet they still went through depression, wanted to kill them selves, went through psychosis. The whole 9. Most of this will settle down over the course of time. By 25 max your hormones will be completely evened out in the world will seem less and dreadful/overwhelming. (on your last point. Healing when done correctly shouldn’t take any more then 3yrs -> in the absolute worst case scenario) You have a certain timeline to have children. Specifically if you are a woman. And having children older is selfish. Whatever child/or even generations may have to go through is a drop in the bucket when it comes to weather your family exists in 100 years or doesn’t. I would go through a lifetime of unhappiness and sacrifice unreasonable amounts in order to have my family survive. Several hundred thousands of years instability was a norm. Death in childbirth or early infant deaths. Sickness without medical care winters without food, you name it all of those things were done generation after generation to be sure that you were here today. BILLIONS of people will still be having children regardless of what the circumstances are. Legit horrific circumstances. Yet in 100 years those families will still be here. Yet we have individuals like yourself like me and so on that are so worried about a stable environment that they’ve wiped away the opportunity to continue on legacy. And spit in the faces of our forbearers who went through unfathomable atrocities over the course of hundreds of thousands of years so that we can be here. Our families may have not done much but they made sure we were here.
CPS ironically ended up at our home for something my mother *didn't* actually do. She was super abusive both physically and emotionally, but there was a relative calm of a few months during a summer when I was twelve, and she was actually being nice to me. One night when I had a friend over CPS showed up because of a huge bruise I had on my shin. A bruise that was caused by me accidentally banging against the metal frame of my folding bed. They never got called all the other times where she had hit me outside of our house in front of all of the neighbors, or even when she would have neighborhood kids restrain me so she could hit me...WTF? I ended up being placed in foster care for about two weeks (they were really nice actually), and then on the day they were taking me to my "permanent foster home", I had no idea where I was going, but as we passed a familiar neighborhood, I had hoped that they would be close enough that I could still visit my grandparents. Then the car pulled up to my grandparents house. Stayed with them for a year, which ended up being the best year of my childhood life (straight As too), but then on the day they went to actually sign the adoption papers, they found out my grandmother had cancer, so back to the unstable home I went. My mother was no longer able to physically abuse me, but she was even more out of touch with reality than previously. I never wanted to have children, just because I didn't want to subject any of them to what I had to go through.
@@SamanthaP48You're someone I actually would like to talk to. Especially in regards to how the brain develops from 20 to 25. Among many other things. The conversation could go everywhere. Is there a way to DM privately on youtube to an email or?
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given the volatile genetics, i'm not sure it would've gone any other way - even if the kids were given up at birth for adoption - like so many other stories on this channel
@360.Tapestry The ol Nature Vs. Nurture. 😢 Totally get what you're saying but you never really know. It might have changed nothing but he definitely would've had a better shot at life under different circumstances. Just tragic any way you look at it. 😢
I called CPS so many times, my teachers even called bc id have to leave college exams to go make sure they were safe. Then their dad ran off with them. I had no idea where they were until the day a cop showed up at my gmas to tell us what happened. My mom and their dad were awful, terrible parents. Addicts, who would skip out on rent and fight non stop, neglect and emotional and physical abuse. It's not surprising to me, but I miss Johnny. Idk why I watch this stuff even 10 years later. I guess I'm hoping for closure in some way.
Suspect: "I killed my dad because he abused me and I feared for my safety. I killed my brother because I hated him for ruining our family." Police: "Okay, but can you explain WHY you killed them?" Suspect: ".. I just did. My dad abused me and I was scared. And I hated my brother." Police: "Okay, okay. But we're just trying to understand why you killed them. Can you explain why?"
Did he not understand his brother has a condition and can't help himself? I'm sure living with an autistic sibling is tough, but millions of people do and don't kill them. Tough childhood? Sure. But this? He's just a monster.
Interrogating a kid without representation (especially one from an abusive relationship) should be illegal in all states. Kids are way to impressionable.
At a young age, said the judge, they should be put in a pit with wild dogs. They should be set to puzzle out from their proper clues the one of three doors that does not harbor wild lions. They should be made to run naked in the desert until… , Judge Holden.Blood Meridian
@@johnmichaels4330 you don’t understand a word children should be made to learn they would be interrogated but they shouldn’t be by cops who just pump children for information not caring about the core of the situation
33:25 this part happened and i looked down to see i was also sitting like that. i would get reckt in an interrogation. im gonna jsut ask for a laywer 100% of the time lol
This interview is so heartbreaking. He's just a kid, He was at his limit with the abuse that he's been receiving. Like the sister said "he head no chance", had he been in a better family he could've lived his younger years with a better persepective of life and not full of hatred and anger. He was just a kid overloaded with negative emotion and years of abuse physically, verbally and mentally. I pray for all the people who has been under similar situations. May we all have the strength and courage to face our struggles head on and move on.
Ikr? The kid already admitted that the father has abused him other times. Of course a shove/push is going to be a lot different for him than the officer.
You have to remember that they're making comments and asking questions in a way to get more information out of whoever they're interviewing. The detective 100% understands what abuse is, but his feelings don't matter right now.
@@siiighhhsif you shove somebody police class it as assault or battery when in all cases it is rather a minor thing, it's made out to be worse than it actually is
ALL of it. Eldon stabbed him in the back with a kitchen knife when he was six. I understand that living with an autistic kid can be unbearably difficult but John was sick and couldn't help it and I think was terrorised by Eldon all his life and very possibly the mother.
It seems no one thinks about the victims any more. This 'kid' thought about killing his brother for Years. Sometimes, there Are just mean, bad 'kids'. They just usually grow up before they start killing...
As someone who was abused growing up. I definitely wondered "what would life be like if they died?" I would even ask family members "when my mom dies can I live with you?" because I could not see my life changing as long as she lived
That's very awful and I'm sorry your mind had to go there so young. I hope things are alot better for you now. Also love your username. Best wishes and I hope your life is changing all for the better 💖
It seems like this family was known to police (and social services?) from when the boys were tiny, and yet there doesn't seem to have been much support put in to protect either boy. It's such an incredible shame, and I wonder how things would have been different for them if it had.
Proof that gubmint DGAS about any of us except for taxes we pay to keep funding their existence . CPS by the way in most states is involved in child trafficking
Bro, my best friend lived in a trailer where his bed was falling through the floor onto the dirt and he had to sleep woth jackets on in the winter. Social services would always notify his mother before they came so she had time to clean and make sure everything looked fine. CPS is worthless.
There’s definitely something going on with this kid as well. He’s not all there mentally. Whether it’s a mental disorder, or societal issues. He’s definitely not all there!
Idk if it’s him not being all there… I think it’s more that there is more there that should not be. He has some extra stuff in his brain that is making him dangerous. Not a lack of things. If it was just a lack of things in his brain he would be passive and docile most likely.
"I can't tell if it's my heart racing, or his" just chills, I can't even begin to comprehend what the offices go through, it's just horrific listening, can't imagine actually having to be there EWU is definitely the best at these analysis and gives a good understanding to these videos!
It always hits later. When there is a shooting, your adrenaline is up to full, you don’t know if the shooter is still there. Our body is amazing, with the way it handles circumstances. The officers will feel it later. They don’t get enough respect. Especially the homicide and sex crimes units.
@billyyank5807 yes but let's not make excuses for utter disrespect. Such as laughing at someone's death. Call it what you want, but that's beyond disrespectful.
In my opinion censoring only highlights the word. There is no one who can't instantly work out what is being implied. It just makes a little puzzle out of it where the answer is screamed out in my head. If they didn't censor it, the word would be as forgetful as the rest
This kid never had a chance. In my opinion. He didn't know how to process all of the pain and loss of his Mom. His brother couldn't help he was autistic. Both parents let these boys down. He snapped. My heart hurts for these children. I hope he gets some help. Thank you for covering this. I appreciate the hard work this channel does.
The system let this people down. Starting with the housing issues, following with the mental health problems and adding guns into the mix. America is a decadent empire.
it's almost always like that when kids kill. No one with a good upbringing would even think of it. I always feel bad for them even though they're murderers. They're killers but not evil.
@@gpolenikincorrect, the Columbine kids were from loving middle class homes. That's just one example. Elliott Roger is another. There are plenty of kids who are raised well who do this kind of thing, don't kid yourself.
As someone who grew up with an abusive dad, I understand him. It’s hard not to grow up with hate and resentment when you never receive any love from a parent.
He prob was a glass child has john would have all the attention, the special treatment and Eldon would loathe it feeling unfair and mentions numerous times "mom wouldn't have left"
It’s a terrible thing that affects your whole life took me 40 years to come to terms with it. See a doctor to help don’t deal with it yourself it was my biggest mistake but I’m good now love your children god bless
Its IDAHO USA lol- LD$/FLD$ cults "LatterDaySaints" are "Preparing the People" according to chad daybell and lori vallow. smh- Lots of cultish behaviors here! Lots of child abuse. Some people shouldnt have kids !
one thing i didn’t like about this interrogation is that the detectives spent a long time trying to get him to admit that the crime was premeditated, and eldon clearly wasn’t really understanding their line of questioning. my guess is that he had intrusive thoughts of killing his father/brother during his father’s abusive episodes, and this time, the intrusive thoughts won
Those thoughts were not intrusive at all. He fantasized about it. Intrusive means not wanted, and he absolutely wanted those thoughts because he hated his dad and brother.
@@infinitedeath1384 just because you hate someone doesn’t mean you want to kill them, even if the thought crosses your mind every now and then. with that said, i don’t really agree with my original comment because the conditions to establish “premeditation” are pretty weak. For example, acting on an intrusive thought might be enough to establish premeditation
@@ethan_martin I never said that everyone who hates someone wants to kill them. Hate can be a reason someone wants to kill someone, and it was in this case.
As a mother of an autistic child my heart breaks hearing how his mother left because she couldn't handle him and how his brother hated him for being autistic and the challenges that brings. That poor boy was punished for something he could not help or control. So sad.
Autism is unfair for everyone. Parents , siblings. And the autistic person themself. No one seems to be trying to fix this epidemic and it's infuriating to know how many kids are struggling with severe asd. Can't judge this mother though as the rest of the home life seemed to be chaotic in general, and the autism might not be the primary reason for leaving. I will say , abandoning your child never sounds like a good thing.
@@kenw2225ngl i don't think being autistic is "bad for everyone" i mean i vaguely understand what you're trying to say, but my girlfriend had autism and she copes with it very well, however i do know everyone copes with things differently.
His son and grandson are dead and his other grandson is accused and he is laughing and smiling. “No he didn’t yell at Johnny, he would yell at the other one”. That is an awesome grandfather
I saw that too. It even stood out to me that he called Eldon, "the other one". That grandfather was very disconnected with his family from what it sounds like. Makes me wonder what kind of parent he was to the father of these two boys thar possibly led to the father of the boys being as messed up as he was.
1:19:25: BIG missing point here is; Dad had weapons laying around LOADED. That creates INSANE fear. I totally can see (being an abused kid myself) how a parent pushing one HARD could create TREMENDOUS fear of being hurt. And it provokes me SO MUCH that they try and make this weird "If i pushed you, you wouldn't feel the need to shoot me" No?? cause he is not threatened by you like that. He keeps saying "dad was on his medication. He thought there was zombies" don't you get how terrifying that would be to experience? I totally get how he would feel like the dad was dangerous.
@@aarona5839 "Kid is crazy that's it" is sometimes true, but not with this kid. It's obvious his home situation was weird and f.cked up. It doesn't rectify his actions, but bad nurture can do unimaginable things to a person
when he said he should die for killing his family it struck a nerve for me. clearly this kid is a real person on the inside and not a full 100% monster. ina diffrent life with normal people around him he couldve become something of a regular person.. very sad to think about
I think at the end Eldon said _"I wanna go back to California"_ in a wistful way, knowing deep down that wasn't going to happen. He clearly misses his mother deeply. He's also a minor who was questioned for hours without the presence of a parent, a supportive adult or legal counsel after a traumatic episode. You can see towards the end he is exhausted and has shut down, repeatedly giving "yeah" as an answer. Also the impoverishment, poor living situation (run down emergency shelter), the obvious neglect (Eldon is very underweight for his age), the absence of his mother and the stress of having a profoundly disabled brother had all clearly taken a toll. Eldon's father's history of drug use, his mental state, his obsession with an impending zombie apocalypse, the presence of unsecured guns and weapons and his Zolpidem habit are also deeply relevant. Have you seen someone who is addicted to Zolpidem and takes large doses regularly? I have. It can cause lowered inhibitions, agression, confusion, strange behaviour, kleptomania and amnesia. These behaviours would be very scary for a child to see in their sole caregiver. This is proven as Eldon had called the police on his father for this reason before, something he would not do lightly due to his belief it would anger his father. None of this is to defend what Eldon did. What he did was truly heinous and inexcusable, especially in regards to his little brother. But context is important and I believe this event was the result of a lifetime of neglect, abuse and pressure that exploded that night. His father pushing him was just the straw that broke the camel's back. A very sad story for every person involved.
Honestly I think there were 3 monsters in that interrogation room. The suspect was an idiot kid who did a horrible thing and should be punished for it. The two coppers knew exactly what they were doing, knowing exactly what they could do to not deny him his rights, but make it as hard as possible for him to know he should be exercising them. I wish this channel would do similar videos about people who ended up being totally innocent. The coppers behaviour is easy to justify when the suspect is actually guilty, I’d love to see all clever analysis and the praise for “good” police work getting a confession when the suspect turns out to be totally innocent and has just been railroaded into a confession
Yeah like "Shot gun shots" Even I had to look at the screen to make sure that's what I heard cause like that's not a thing in the way they asked it. Do you mean shot gun shells? Shot gun wounds?
It really killed me inside when he talked about having and being a happy family. As someone with a somewhat abusive father (mostly verbal) and an autistic sibling i can understand the amount if mental fatigue you can experience. Luckily around the time i had enough of the dynamic at home I left to live somewhere else. Best decision I ever made.
Do you know if your brother is ok? I am a mother of a 5 year old with autism (born in 2018), and I truly understand the stress it causes, but at least in his case, his actions may not be under his control for now. So I was just wondering if he’s ok, maybe receiving some outside therapy (psychological/occupational/ABA) .
I cried when he said, “We would’ve been a happy family.” What a horrible tragedy. Those poor boys, with no guidance, no loving mother around, no protective father… So sad.
hard to feel bad for anyone who could do what he did to a disabled little kid. some people were only put here to fill a grave and this kid has already done more of his share than that.
@stevenunyabidness Hard to feel sad, huh? His crazy father has weapons all over the house and trains his son to prepare for a zombie apocalypse while living in filth and being evicted constantly because he puts drugs and madness above taking care of his kids? Someone doesn't do an act like Eldon did without being pushed far beyond what any human should ever have to endure. And after 2 years in prison he feels BETTER than he has ever felt before, which tells you how brutal his home life was. Eldon was as much as a victim as any of the three.
@@cartoonloon8 no eldon wasnt as much as a victim as john under the bed getting shot at by multiple guns, then his brother stabs and hacks at his limbs and head. For his father I dont really care. But you are an absolute idiot for thinking the child with a DISABILITY, WENT THROUGH THE SAME NEGLECT AND HOUSEHOLD AS HIS BROTHER, AND ALSO DIED FROM HIS BROTHER is comparable
This is incredibly sad. I can't even begin to imagine how damaging and traumatic it would be for those kids living in that household. I just wish he'd not harmed his brother.
As someone who endured an abusive childhood, it’s heartbreaking how apparent Eldon’s self-loathing is. You can just see he thinks he is worth nothing at all to anyone. It hurts. I once felt that way.
Eldon snapped and kill everyone. Intrusive thoughts took over. Also brotherly hate is not rare. I always wish bad stuffs happens to my brother and it did. He died years ago because of a reckless driving under the influence of substance. Also hes the younger one. It must great to be u who never felt the hatred growing.
when i was his age it was a lot easier to focus my frustration on my younger siblings than it was to understand all the ways my parents were failing us through neglect and verbal abuse. i'm so grateful we didnt have guns in the house. i worry how many kids are close to doing what this kid did. hope they make it through.
My sister has told me if we had had a gun she would've done it. And I get it. Back then it seemed like it would never end. I would've killed myself, she would've killed us. Abuse and neglect destroy humanity. It's no excuse for murder, nothing is. I do however hope Eldon gets the help he needs and isn't made to suffer more than he already has. He's dangerous, sure, but he never got a chance at a decent life.
I was the younger one that got abused by my older half sister, because she didn't understand why we had different dads.+ living in a toxic, always hungry for drama family, got beaten bad for little things, and verbally abused by my parents that I will never make it in this world, has lowered my self esteem so bad. Imagine how this all feels on the younger kid that gets all the abuse constantly from everybody in the family. I still struggle with my sanity at 32 from time to time because of this, it was a freaking hell of a ride to get here now, thankful I didn't kill anybody, believe me I wanted to kill all of them so bad at those moments! I even imagined them having car accidents so they won't come home. I know how this kid feels, what's important is not to let your emotions get the better of you, just think that in time it will get better. No more abuse...
These are the worst interrogation detectives I've ever seen. They've asked him "How many" this or "How many" that? The kid ain't counting how many times he's thought of hurting his brother or father. He's an abused 14 year old "BOY" where is his protection? Where is his lawyer? He doesn't know to ask a lawyer. This whole interrogation needs to be thrown out!
It doesn't matter how old you are if you committed a terrible crime. They took advantage of the fact that he was a child and decided to extract information through heavy pressure, which, of course, worked perfectly. Maybe this caused him a little psychological trauma, but, believe me, no more trauma than the sight of two bodies mutilated by his own hands.
I don't understand how detectives expect a 14 year old to psychologically understand why he did what he did, particularly right after this horrific incident. I imagine it would take years and years of therapy for him to truly understand why he did what he did, and understand the dynamics of what sound like an extremely painful family life. I do believe his parents abused him. Look at where they were living, the malnutrition, his mom running away. This is heartbreaking.
It doesn't take therapy to understand why you'd want someone dead. Therapists are not all-knowing. They aren't psychics. They rarely lead patients to any introspection and typically look for exterior sources of blame. If he can hack his little brother apart with a machete after shooting him multiple times, he can be treated as an adult would be. His feeling don't matter. His actions do.
Why The boys weren't taken away from the parents way before this incident is absolutely mind-blowing. He even said that he called the police and said his dad was under the influence trying to drive and everything. System failed this boy many times over And it's just as responsible as the Father, mother, and grandfather.
The system often does more harm than good. A cultural change is the only way to fix this, a culture focused on families. The system is not an answer and anyone that has been through it will tell you so.
@@jacobmeis1249 No. The people who got into a good home would tell you different. More good people need to become foster parents, period. A lot of mom's stay at home with the kids anyways, so why not earn a wage while she does. That's how we change this.
I didn’t even realize it was new until reading this comment (I’m still catching up as they’re new to me) apparently I opened it 13 mins after it was posted I’ve never been to a video so soon!! Of course it was by accident lol so definitely a pleasant surprise for me!
As a 17 year old with a severely autistic twin brother, I definitely understand his jealousy of his brother on a personal level. I felt that way when I was little, too, but of course nowhere near the point of wanting to hurt him. I eventually grew out of it, and I’m closer to him than ever even though he can’t talk. Autistic and disabled children deserve so much better, don't make it worse for them. ❤
This is really uplifting to hear. I was undiagnosed until I was sixteen and I can’t imagine what dealing with my constant overstimulation was like for my younger brother… I hope you and your brother continue to have a great relationship. 💜
Yeah but he wasn;t just jealous though. He was completely self-absorbed, as he proved with his story about wanting all the candy for himself because that's "good."
Working with kids and going to school for Early Childhood care and Edu, it's more than understandable that a child's mind is developing and not developed and so much what goes on in their solo universe effect's them entirely, so killing is a different point of view. Their emotions are unhinged and by far it's really primal even without reason and unaccountability. It's scary on how dangerous our minds can get and feels more dangerous with kids, as it feels there is no responsibility, empathy and emotions. Kids truly can be pure evil and those without realizing it or understanding it (or both) Everyone has a threshold, but certainly you cannot presume to know anyone, even the ones you live with because it's what they don't say is what anyone should be worried for. As a kid I didn't even know how to express myself and I'm a full fledge adult now and STILL learning. (You never stop learning ^.^) That's what is frightening of our species.
I used to have that same look on my face as a teen. My step-dad humiliated me and beat the hell out of me for years and years. The funny thing is he really didn't understand that he was the reason I was depressed and doing drugs. This is happening in so many households. Its insane how many children are abused and molested on a daily basis. The fact the we ignore it as a society is even worse
Sorry you had to go through that, when a parent is supposed to be your foray into building trust with people. Absolutely reprehensible that it's such a common occurrence. Glad you, presumably, got away without becoming a sociopathic murderer.
I’m so sorry that your stepfather did that to you. I’m sure it was even worse than what you were so bravely able to share. I hope that you are away from him now. I hope you’re living well, at peace and you are truly happy. 💞 Furthermore, I hope you realize, no matter what you did, or did not do, it is not your fault! No one has the right to put their hands on a child or humiliate anyone, especially when it’s usually only to make the abuser feel better.
My stepdad was also a horribly abusing prick. I'm grateful I only had to see him every other weekend....his poor sons though...they took a lot of abuse.
It took me ten years of drug addiction to finally realize my upbringing were the reason why I was so lost and on drugs. I'm now 3 years clean of opiates.
@@alishacenteno8770 he said "i never saw it, i don't think so",,,and when the cops said they heard it did happen, he said "oh, well maybe i should rethink that" ...he never out-right denied it.
An abusive father, an autistic younger brother, and an absent mother due to her ex- husband's abuse produced a sad chapter in a 14 year old boy's life.
That cop was being really slimy "you have the right to talk to me and I have the right to talk to you" Thats a complete misrepresentation of his rights
@@InverseCr0wn that's exactly what I was thinking a lawyer would jump all over That's why you need to do it by the book, you can get all that information and none of its admissible because they were deceptive
The detectives were slimy altogether. Desperately seeking a premeditated charge, and saying shit like “if I punched you, would you shoot me?” As if a stranger punching you is somehow comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. Kinda felt sick watching this, and I wish it was only because of the details of the crimes committed.
I can't understand why a video about a 14-year old killing his family would have the word 'abuse' censored but would leave 'murder' or 'kill' uncensored.
This is TH-cam's censoring efforts, a lot of people way back in the day would get mad at TV for censoring language and used to spout that if they had a show they wouldn't censor it. Everyone thinks they are not corruptible, everyone thinks they will be able to support free speech, until they have their income threatened. Now everyone's just a pawn in a scheme for censorship, no one has the balls to say no and find alternate means of income. Once TH-cam started paying people to make videos, that's where trouble started. Prior to people getting paid TH-cam was flourishing and many people made it series of videos and got paid by other methods, a lot of them did it for free, nowadays everyone's doing it for money. As a result we have a younger generation that wants to grow up to be a TH-camr as opposed to something that supports infrastructure and society, and as a result of that everyone is becoming Pro censorship. S******* on their own rights and everyone else's rights for some money
There's so much more to this story, before and after. I just commented... This is such a tiny view of the overall story. And I completely agree with you...
'Self incriminate?' I think the evidence pretty much did the job there. Someone has to do the job of getting the puss out, and they did it without aggression.
These cops should not have been allowed to interview this very disturbed young man. Clearly he needed the help of people who know about mental health and reliving past trauma to get the best out of him. Detectives are not trained to interview minors with mental health issues
I agree. Piggies just trying to get their quota. No sympathy for Eldon’s situation. His actions weren’t right but the detectives lacked major empathy for the poor kid
@@User986811 referring to cops as piggies is unnecessary especially considering quota isn’t a thing. 2 the kid had issues yes but he officially killed someone and a specialist would only be involved after or during a trial to judge if he was mentally stable to be judged or admitted to a form of special care and it would have been unlikely he got to go and live a normal life
I am amazed by the fact that throughout the interrogation - and apparently also during the trial - the strangeness of a house full of weapons of all sorts and this father's obsession with a zombie apocalypse is practically never taken into consideration. An autistic child and another slightly older child left in the hands of an obviously deranged person? Are we really surprised if things have taken a disastrous turn? The whole thing is an absolute tragedy, but the real blame lies behind it.
absolutely - but in so many of these cases it's just the cops apportioning blame. And you see it in the comments. Lots of judgement, very little awareness of situations behind these tragedies. We ignore them at the peril to society.
@@AmmoPackI’ve seen parents who believed far worse, doesn’t mean these guys’ delusional parent isn’t delusional. The fact of the matter is that his parental figures were not only bad people, or acted badly, they also were seemingly distant from their children. Don’t allow your judgment to be so impaired, fellow. Sometimes, when comparing the Empire State Building to the burj khalifi, it’s okay to still call the Empire State Building tall.
Anyone else think it's kind of ridiculous that we censor the words "Abuse" "Sex" and "Rape" but are totally fine with graphic descriptions of a kid killing his brother with a machete?
@@chilenapromedioRU you do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to analyze these cases and make a proper documentary with facts and useful information. So hell yeah he better get paid for it! Hours and hours of editing and studying to make his videos. If he were simply uploading interrogations without any input then your strong response would make more sense.
Violence is censored more in Europe, and sex is censored less. This would seem to be the way it should be if you had to choose one or the other to be censored. Of course, America has it a$$-backwards. Just like everything else. We love to see the blood and guts fly, but by-golly how offended we get just saying the WORDS to describe sex.
TH-cam automatically attempts to detect objectionable material in the video (both video and audio) and will automatically de-monetize the upload or even the channel for violations (although this is not enforced fairly) So yes the censorship is dumb but so is the blanket policy of demonetizing everything with questionable content.
I mean, if a 14 year old was talking about all this major trauma with two police it's amazing he can speak at all. Putting his foot under his body or rubbing his chin seems more normal than malicious..
Right, I hate how demonized and scrutinized this poor kid's actions or choice of words are. He just went through the most traumatic event of his life, of course he isn't going to be clear headed.
I never seen someone need a lawyer like this kid. The detectives keep trying to nail him for pre-meditation. The last half of the interview is just trying to put pre-meditation in there. They don't care about getting to the truth. the kids is totally traumatised. I see a lot of anxiety and trauma and he seems genuinely upset. I don't think he has processed what's happened yet. The remorse will come. He's not very fast mentally.
It looks to me like he was self conscious of his feet as they probably weren't groomed. The first thing he asked for when they were taking a break was shoes. He probably felt exposed, and that's why he was curling them
This channel is 70% bootlicking and propping up psudo science. These videos would be 30 minutes if the producer didnt have to throw out his judgement every 10 seconds smh. just like a cop
@eric28 this channel does lean heavy into extremely abstract behavior analysis matter of factly. It's annoying af. But even that isn't as bad as the bootlicking.
That poor kid...90% sure he's high functioning autistic, those cops were in the wrong with how they talked about his Miranda rights, and wrong with how they interrogated the kid. It's obvious he's asking questions to understand what the cop means, like with "shotgun shells" and far more. It's obvious this kid has been neglected and abused in so many ways, and probably snapped...
As far as the portion where it was said that he doesn’t fear authority like the typical teen would.. I personally have experience with this. As I was growing up I had a very violent and sadistic mother.. throughout the timeline of abuse I began to lose the fear & respect for authority. When the “authority” in your life has been proven to be insufficient or unreliable.. you begin to feel a sense of authority; this carries over into the development process.
“I can’t tell if it’s my heart pumping or his” the way the cop wanted to break down but buckled up and did his job. So much respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle a scene like that
Same! It's tragic & break's my heart...A terrible situation all around.The crazy parents the autistic child, guns & SO MANY knives -weapons everywhere!!! And these amazing officers that do this nearly impossible job😰
I feel very sorry for this child. I believe his older sister Natasha, i think that was her name, nailed it when she said that “Eldon never had a chance” for a normal life inside his family dynamic. Like any other kid, all he wanted was a happy family. He loved his mother and watching her suffer abuse at his father's hands to the point of her leaving was a total heartbreaker for Eldon. He was neglected, abused by his father for years, evidently experiencing intense emotions he couldn't deal with from so many facets of his disfunctional home life. Its obvious that he had no counseling or any caring adult to discuss those intense, every-present emotions he wasn't equipped to deal with alone. What Eldon did was not to be condoned, but circumstantially he was a volcano ready to erupt in the worst way possible. Those detectives treated him more like a streetwise criminal than the emotionally disturbed child that he was. All they wanted was their bottom line at the end of that interrogation. They certainly got that considering they baited and dragged him along through their process. Usually, Children's Services are sniffing around families with problems, at the ready to snatch a child away from their birth parents. Where were they all of the years this zombified disfunctional family was harboring 2 young children, one now dead? I only hope that the young Eldon had counseling at his disposal in that Adult Prison they saw fit to place him in. Seems like being around a bunch of adult criminals is not the best therapy for an abused young teen.
I agree I was actually disgusted with how these detectives handled this- like this kid was giving him what they needed and they were like bullying him into making himself look like a monster
That Miranda warning was about as clear as molasses "I have the right to talk to you and you have the right to talk to me." I've never heard it explained that way before. A half decent defense attorney would probably have a field day with what was said.
He probably snapped after all the abuse he has suffered. You can't excuse murder but it helps to understand what drove him to do it. It's sad all round.
This was incredibly sad and personally, justice failed this kid. He clearly was abused, neglected, and snapped from the environment his father put him in. And to top it off, him going into adult prison he's only going to get worse unless he gets help. So sad. Prayers to him and family.
Are you joking, he murdered his family so justice was served and hope he never gets out. Imo, there are a lot and I mean a lot of children that get abused, but they don't go and murder someone. So stop.
Police count on people being ignorant that’s why when people refuse to speak and request council they get so frustrated because than it’s up to them to prove guilt. Police will never help you prove your innocence .
The cops continuously asking him “if he puched you why wouldn’t you punch him back instead of shooting him” that’s too much. He obviously seems to have taken it from his dad one too many times. I’m not condoning murder but he was pushed to his limit and snapped. This is why children need to truly be seen and heard. How anyone around them didn’t notice his deteriorating state is beyond me. It’s unfortunate that he did this, but he needed help just as badly as any other abused child out there. This is a failure of society.
What the cops don’t understand is that a child who is consistently abused, they’re afraid to fight back because the retaliation from their abuser(s) will be much worse. So of course this kid felt like the only way to make it stop was to put an end to it himself. My heart breaks for this kid. It’s not like he just decided he wanted to kill his parents, this has been building up for sometime and he felt completely defeated and terrified. So for the cop to ask him such a crazy question like this kid actually had that option is beyond me smh.
There are plenty of people who had crappy abused childhoods who know the difference between right and wrong and grew up to live well and did not turn into perverted killers.
I went to school with this kid. And I was also in the juvenile detention center at the time they had locked up for these charges. They actually let him go into general population for a little while and I struck up a conversation without even knowing who I was talking to at the time. Somebody came up and told me later that he was in for murdering his brother and his dad and all I could think was “this kid?! Nah not a chance” but when I got out I hears whole town talking about it. He really was a nice kid, just got dealt a bad hand by his obsessive father. His father really did threaten him with weapons and manipulation so I see the reasoning behind the thought of being scared. But the brutal slaying of his autistic brother is just so beneath me I could never understand how somebody could remove such innocence from this world with such intent. Anybody ever wonder how many murderers they’ve come into contact with and not even known it?
At roughly 2:59 the indistinct part of that sentence is "pie in". When clearing rooms police use a tactic known as slicing the pie due to the visual appearance of the angular sweep they do when entering. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Great content as always.
What I don´t understand: People keep asking why. Eldon can't easily answer the reasons why. There are certainly several answers that a psychiatrist can find out, but not in a police interrogation.
Yeah, when you're in low-pressure situations and want to be comfortable. Not if you were innocent and felt a sense of urgency to tell the cops everything you know about the victims & suspects of a murder.
When you grow up in an abusive & neglectful home like that, it makes you think insane things sometimes. I've had to genuinely think about killing my own father in self defense, but thankfully its never actually come to that. Hearing cases like this breaks my fucking heart. It really does. A child should never have to feel like the only way out is for someone to die. I hope Eldon gets the help he needs one day. RIP to Johnathan as well. He deserved better. They both did. Also the sister's statement of "he never had a chance"...chills. She nailed it. I hope the family can recover from this tragedy.
I once had to walk away from my dad while he was scolding me from the sofa. I was standing behind him with a paring knife in my hand (I was cooking when he called me into have a go). He called something like a "little whore" and I had a fleeting image of planting that knife right in the top of his dome.
@@chaddad1488My heart breaks for Jonathan and what Eldon _could’ve_ been in a loving, healthy household, not who he is now or what he did. Why you or anyone else feel bad for *their* abusive father, I have no idea. Not all victims deserve to be missed or cried for. He gets no empathy from me. 🤷♀️
@@j_g9109 Boo hoo daddy was mean, and what's the excuse for why he killed Jonathan? Who cares what his excuse was, there's no good reason to kill your family that isn't self-defense.
@@chaddad1488clearly you didn't grow up in an abusive home. It's literal psychological and physical torture day in and day out but if you tell anyone it will only get worse. Knowing you'll have to suffer that for years and years. Then there's a way out, that being murder. An immature, undeveloped child will take that way out rather than suffer at the hands of a monster. I don't condone his actions, but saying that the dad was completely innocent in this is just weaponized ignorance. I think it's horrible and unforgivable that he would kill Justin, but you can't act like abuse is innocent.
It does say that it *may* be, but can also just be used to reaffirm something you said earlier. They state in just about every video that one behavior alone is not an indication of deception, and they look for at least three happening either at the same time or in quick succession.
They also clarify that the behaviors in the interviews are compared to the baseline behaviors of the individual, because what may be a sign of deception in one person it may be a common tick or gesture for another.
The detective says "I don't want to put words in your mouth", but then he constantly asks a question and then immediately suggests the answer instead of waiting for an answer
At the start of the interview I understood with it being pretty obvious he was lying but around the end it just felt like they were trying to manipulate him to say it was premeditated and were just confusing him when in general it sounds like he just snapped
I appreciate the juxtaposition of footage at the beginning; the police officer clearing the harrowing conditions meanwhile showing Eldon sitting in the back of a cop car, impatiently and idly tapping his foot as if waiting for his fast food order. Great job as always, EWU. I always appreciate the effort and narrative your team composes to tell these victims stories.
I was just watching Hannibal and loved that in the brain eating scene, how it cut to overhead shots of a police convoy racing through beautiful scenery in silence. before returning to the horror... Sometimes it's nice when watching video footage to have shots that throw warm water over you before plunging you back into the ice bath.
This one was sad. The little brother couldn’t help but be who he was and this kids life seemed so tragic. What he did was unimaginable but I can’t help but feel sorry for how he was raised. Heartbreaking all around. It’s like his life was set up to fail.
it is set up,you tell me what youd call this, my sister whos dead,her mother and father used her then tossed her out with the trash at 12,i had to fight 5 cops in gastonia nc just to say goodbye to my sister
life is only to please the higher ups ,your lifes blood is for either your parents to lie and kill there own blood, whats left is belongs to your own country to use,zero is for you any thats left you must fight demons for
No, there's always choice. Boys do this more than girls even as children, so what does that tell you? More research and education should be equipping parents and children with skills to make these decisions better.
1:19:28 is so unreasonable Comparing someone punching you once to a life full of fear of someone much stronger than you makes no sense. Of course enduring constant abuse elicits a different reaction and stronger emotion than just a random fight at school. In his situation, he wasn't really able to fight back or go anywhere, and had to live with that fear forever not knowing if it might not get worse. Those cops need to admit they simply cannot relate to this child. If you don't share his upbringing, you simply have no experience to pull from.
Wish I could like this comment 100 times. I left an extremely similar comment. They DESPERATELY chased a premeditated charge, and then went on to ask the question about the detective punching him as if that’s comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. I feel that interrogation was (although lowkey) SEVERELY mishandled.
I’m so confused how it’s even legal to interview children without a legal counsel and or guardian. This kid is messed up, but i felt like these interrogators were leading a lot of the time filling in the blanks rather than leaving it open for Eldon to speak compared to other videos EWU has posted. I hope his Trial spoke about the abuse and neglect layered into his defense. His upbringing surrounded by so many weapons, and paranoia from zombies/ dooms day appears to explain his voilent decisions versus just running away or reporting problems to authorities.
It really bothers me how adamant the older brother was about there not being any neglect or abuse when there was evidence of both. This is a tough one, seems the kid was just so confused about everything.
There could be a few factors as to why he wouldn’t know or he wasn’t abused. My impression is they have different moms. I say that because wouldn’t the older brother and sisters be living with dad as well, Eldon’s mom had/has here demons and doesn’t sound like a very fit parent. Also the fact that they only mention him(older brother) in passing and never really mention the sisters, only his statement about them. To me the way Samual senior tried covering up any abuse toward Eldon and his younger brother by never saying a flat “NO” that their dad wasn’t abusive, but by deflecting saying he never seen/heard any abuse and pushing it all on the mom, makes me believe there was abuse in the home and he might not have physically seen it but knew! I understand that’s his son and parents like to protect their children, but he knows what kind of person his son really was. With his parents dealing with drugs, domestic abuse, mental health(dads and now obviously his), child abuse inflected on him,neglect, abandonment issues with his mom, brother being autistic, grandpa turning a blind eye, violent video games, heavy metal with guns and knives laying around this was a recipe for disaster. Nowhere am I saying any one of these things is a reason to take a life, but when it’s all piled on you at one time and you don’t have the mindset/maturity to deal with it, there comes a breaking point.
I grew up with physical and mental abuse, I thought it was normal until I started talking to people and realized they would get uneasy. I begin to realize my upbringing was harsh when I was able to get outside context to compare with my life. That was when it begin to hit me and bother me about what I went through. Before when I thought it was normal treatment I accepted it as ok and that I was just weak minded.
Kid was a monster. He butchered his brother and his dad tried to protect his brother and "got" in the way and got killed himself. My heart broke as their last moments was trying to be near eachother for comfort.
I was just finishing the school shooting documentary that you guys posted in the EWU Crime Storytime channel and now this. Thanks for always producing content, no matter how disturbing the subject may be.
@@TheJjt725really? What are they supposed to do? Sit the kid down with a cup of warm coco and inform him on all of his rights? The kid just killed two people.
@@shinigami_0127 no you must not have watched the same video. Because in these circumstances he needed to request it, and frankly im not going to let you aware of laws so you can avoid responsibility. It seems like you wanted this kid to get away with murdering his brother and dad.
@@corban0the1 No it doesn't seem like it, you're just barking up the wrong tree. Saying they took advantage of him has nothing to do with wanting him to get away with his crimes.
It's so sad when a relative stated that "Eldon didn't stand a chance" as far as his childhood went. Can you really blame someone for finally snapping after years of abuse and neglect? Eldon looks malnourished, shy, but very intelligent. I really hope time and counseling will undo some of the damage but it's unlikely since his formative years were all spent under awful conditions.
@@edwarda6923 You are an absolute 1d1ot if you think that it all happened because of the gun and not because of the horrible conditions the child went through... But hey, you are a mentally ill leftie, you dont care about the trauma of anyone, all you care about is your narrative. I bet you couldnt even watch the whole video before writing this comment.
If his father owned those guns LEGALLY, he definitely didn’t report any known mental problems or medications that could effect his judgment. If guns kill people than spoons make people fat, and pencils misspell words.
I have been in a remarkelblay similar situation to Eldon. I had thought about killing my dad for years during all the abuse. I had placed weapons all around my room waiting to use them when my dad attacked me again. He did. And when I was being beaten up I was thinking about reaching and putting our family out of the misery he caused, I just accepted that murder was too grotesque of a reaction and took the beating. That night he knocked my teeth out, was arrested, and my parents divorced shortly after. I was literally his same age. fuck idk i would psot this on yt, but literally no one knows except some locked away police file. This is not extraordinary, this is happening all around us. Please just pull through and know life is better when you get through.
Same here. I did the same thing. I had a baseball bat by my bed, pillow case full of soap.. even when he was jumping on top of me with his knee in my face, I just decided that my mother didn’t need to go thru all that mess. My grandparents lived 3000 miles away, so I couldn’t go there. So I just found myself a little 1 bedroom house, packed what I could fit in my little car and left.
The tears are not just from him thinking he's caught. They are for multiple reasons obviously. Poor kid just wanted to be loved and instead was abused and had no outlet for his frustrations. So he snapped. Also he needs legal representation for this interrogation. these detectives know this but decided to ignore it. This interrogation is abusive and unprofessional.
Amazing how some people can even defend such an aberration of nature a savage murderer with no empathy who just obliterated 2 innocent lives. You are bad in the brain.
They didnt ignore anything, they followed the state's laws, and got a confession from a kid who blew his fathers head off and hacked up his autistic brother, after planning to kill him since he was six. Id say they did their jobs. Would you prefer he was, what, walking the streets right now? No matter what the details of his upbringing were and how unfair that is to him, it doesnt change what he is now, a person who hacked up a helpless autistic child after blowing apart his legs with a shotgun. You're out of your mind for acting like the detectives did something bad here.
No 14 year old should be questioned without a lawyer or guardian. This interrogation should never have been allowed on a child who has no understanding about self incrimination.
Depends on the state. Many don't have laws requiring the presence of a parent or guardian. HOWEVER, oftentimes it's considered wise, for officials, to have one present because otherwise the minor's statements made during interrogations may be challenged or dismissed in court. So it's not illegal to interview without a parent/guardian; it's just not advisable.
He killed 2 people, this isnt an overzealous action by authorities relax. You can be questioned without authorities & quite frankly, he doesnt have any guardians as he killed his.
Actually, I think it's demonic. The biggest lie the devil convinced mankind was "They Don't Exist" They do! The name of JESUS makes them flee... The mention of Jesus, makes them tremble.
Ambien is insane. Got it prescribed for sleeplessness and the first 2 times i took it, i woke up in the middle of the night tripping hard af. Woke up from a vivid dream/hallucination of people breaking into the house and shook my girlfriend away telling her there are people in the house. The next night i woke up standing in the driveway in my boxers in the middle of the night. Never took it again
Seriously. And it seems like the word is just now getting out. I was first given it after my first deployment to Iraq in 2007 and took it off and on until like 2012. Ive taken all kinds of mental health meds and Ambien is right up there with Xanax in terms of the danger it can put people in.
My ex MIL was on ambien. She started sleepwalking, and got into her car and wrecked into a parked car in the apartment parking lot. She got off of it after that.
It is an insane medication. I was prescribed it at the beginning of the year & I was having vivid dreams, the worst one was of my deceased brother, just staring at me from the living room whenever I got up to use the bathroom & it was like I was fully aware. It haunted me for days & I threw the meds away the next day. Very scary stuff
@@chilenapromedioRU I was fresh out the psychiatric hospital so no I wasn’t on just any type of medication, just taking medication as I was prescribed who was decided by multiple doctors. It only took one bad night for me to stop taking it. Not everybody has the same reaction & considering it’s an a controlled substance I would figure that not everybody would have a similar happy go-lucky experience. Are you a doctor or someone with a pharmaceutical degree? If not then your opinion is invalid :)
I went to middle school with Eldon. Lakes Magnet Middle School in CD'A. My best buddy Terrance and I tried to befriend Eldon. We noticed how lonely he seemed and how other kids avoided him because he was quite frankly.. weird. We tried to look past the weirdness and get him out of his shell a bit. Let's just say some of the stories he had told us about his life before moving to the area was wild and seemed like an unhinged fantasy. Nonetheless Terrance and myself would eat lunch with him and hang out with him on breaks. Until one day he stopped showing up to school and we shortly found out why. It was a shock and made all the stories he told us a lot more believable. I feel bad for Eldon. He didn't stand a chance with the parents and family life he had. He was so smart too. It's a shame how everything happened really. I still think about him often. It's crazy that I see a video like this pop up in my recommended and I can actually think back to times I've actually had conversations with Eldon. Crazy stuff.
Wow that is crazy. He probably was telling you the truth. I am half way in and I feel bad for him.
Always gotta be that person claim they knew the killer. Cut the crap kiddo eldon never knew u and vice versa! Carry on now
Thank you for providing more backstory and for befriending Eldon. Unfortunately, the damage was already done by his pernicious parents and continued until this tragedy.
I can't believe he went to an adult prison. That tiny little young boy that can't even speak clear normal sentences. He seems so immature. To be around grown men in a prison seems crazy. They are going to eat him alive.
Also, Did the detectives ever consider that he killed his brother first? I was thinking that he killed, or was in the process of killing his brother when his dad attacked him. That is why he killed his dad. He was torn about his dad but never about his brother. He wanted to hide the fact that he killed his brother but not that he killed his dad. It was just really odd.
Damn that’s so sad to hear, can’t imagine what has been in your head for all this time. Also, was the note at 28:24 a school thing? If so how no teacher raised any type of suspicion about a 14yo kid talking about weapons that much?
Coming from someone that grew up in an abusive home, there's a very real resentment a kid can feel towards his family.
Right? I'm 45 and still working on letting go smh for my own sanity and well being
I didn't have it nearly as bad as this poor kid and I still hold some resentment towards my parents. Dad especially. I won't be doing anything like this since I don't live at home anymore but I can see how resentment, especially mixed with a likely mental illness, can explode this violently.
I remember saying I hated my father and a relative was like "Oh, you don't hate him." No, I hated him and I still do 50 years later. I don't know why people don't take emotional abuse seriously.
Children know that they are meant to be raised with love, respect, safety, and routine. Every child deserves love and safety from their caretakers. A kid who doesn't recieve that will be angry and bitter. I feel so bad for kids having to overcome abuse and neglect.
Enough to kill your little brother? Shot him , stab him and hack at his body? That much
I don't think people realize just how much work is needed for a documentary this size and with this kind of editing. Props to you guys, I hope I can get at least a fraction of your success. Well executed as usual. 👏
Yeah we know it's not done with a magic wand. A well executed video and channel will be rewarded
Very grateful for every video, incredible work beginning to end. Thanks guys!!
You figure an hour + video is days and days of work.
Yeah this is EWU, I believe em to be up there with the best in the business
you have a cool channel also 😊
Imagine being 14 years old and your entire life you dad has convinced you the zombie apocalypse is around the corner and has a trailer full of weapons and leaves loaded guns around the house?! Now top it off with him taking drugs and physically assaulting you. This kid lived in a constant state of fear and it’s so heartbreaking to me.
Nah
Waaaaah my dad abused me 😢😢😢😢waaaaaah
@@pepeshadilayidgaf about ppl I don't know but this looks like serious abuse if hes malnourished and dimwitted and living in squalor, his mom run off etc
@@pepeshadilayhaha i get it, cause you don’t have a dad good joke
@@JKnksrsly that's the stupidest shit I've read, he tried to kill his brother when he was six. Dude is just a psycho.
Side note: From personal experience, you don't always know where one was hit because of the stress. I didn't realize I was stabbed or stomped on till the bruising of shoe prints showed up all over my body. And the bleeding, I thought was from the fall when I was robbed. Just saying... brain will block details when enduring trauma.
Yeah i remember hitting a solid wall when fighting, didnt realise it until i noticed a piece of skin on it
That's not stress,that's called adrenaline lol
And that's a major difference between military and regular civilians lol. We were trained to harness that adrenaline and use it. Wooooooooo.
agreed. i fell off a roof onto a spiked fence and only noticed my knee scratches. Didn't realize my entire thigh had been ripped open until a friend who saw it happen freaked out
extremely valid point!!
also, i hope you’re doing well!
@@billyyank5807 no training can prepare you for the real thing.
what he did is obviously extremely tragic and messed up but when they said his sister had told police "he never had a chance", that broke my heart. your environment changes everything
My cousin Ronnie "never had a chance" though he was an introvert and took his own life 😢!
im sorry to hear, hopes all well regarding your situation, as well as one could be.@@michellemarini5128
Sad
All of this and cousin Ronnie
BS, he's an f'd in the head psychopath. He wasn't abused. Those of us who were actually abused can easily see through this little BS schtick of his. He's a selfish little prick with 10 folders worth of mental problems. 8 months between beatings sounds like a f'n resort. Please don't waste your pity on this POS. There's plenty more children who actually deserve.
@@CSDonohue11poor cousin Ronnie
The statements made by Jr’s oldest son, and father, make me think they both ignored Jr’s abuse of his children. Malnourishment and rotted teeth don’t happen overnight.
jrs oldest son sounds like a scumbag lol, doesnt even think about what his brothers went through
@@multiprospect6728 hes probably a sociopath if he went through through the same shit
All I’ve learned is that detectives would pick my antisocial ass apart no matter how innocent I am
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For people like us even if your innocent aquire legal counsel. DO NOT SPEAK TO COPS. THE MAGIC WORDS ARE ID LIKE MY ATTORNEY HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONING
Excellent advice.
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“He stares at you, and you feel like you’re in a fishbowl.” That is THE most accurate description of an abuser I’ve heard so far. This is what they mean by trust your gut; we’re not always conscious of it, but people like Eldon and Junior put you off for a reason.
Yeah that line caught me too. I've met folks who that line describes perfectly. I dont disagree with the charges, but I have no doubt there was a seriously toxic and abusive household that lead to those murders.
This is NOT a sign of an abuser. It's something troubled people do when thinking about their situation or about problem solving. The dad probably went outside I on the porch to have the freedom of thinking in a more quiet atmosphere. If unknown people wave their hand at him, might not even have been perceived by him at all when being totally focused on his thoughts about problem solving and life situation.
A lot of abusers are very charasmatic people
@@lisasternenkind6467 I know exactly what u mean.. and I bet everyone on here has been staring off in a daze some point and completely miss things going on around them and just so happen to be staring in the same direction but almost like ur eyes are blurred bc ur so caught up in thoughts and just didn’t see them waving.. and to the person waving , they think ur a weirdo with an evil gaze bc u didn’t wave back
Staring at someone isn’t illegal. How you choose to call it doesn’t make it illegal either.
I remember one day being so fed up with my abusive alcoholic mom that I stood over her bed with a knife, thinking the only way out of it was for her to be gone. I didn’t understand that I just had a couple years until I was an adult and could move out and be free. Thankfully I remembered my brother and my niece and realized that doing it would ruin their lives and traumatize them for life, I couldn’t do that to them. It was like battered woman syndrome but for a child. Now I have no contact with my mom anymore, it’s the most peaceful my life has ever been, and I see a therapist once a week. Remember, even though things may be awful right now, it has to end eventually. 2-3 years feels like forever but it really isn’t. Stay strong, it’ll be ok.
Been in a very similar situation myself when I was younger. I didn't have family worries to hold me back like you did, but unlike you I did realize that I just had to be patient and the problem would be over when I was free. I could chose to impulsively end the problem now and be stuck in prison for life (thought life was the penalty at the time) or I could wait a couple years and I could just leave. I ended up choosing to wait. Nowadays when I get intense thoughts of sewerslide due to all the stress of my life, I just remember that piece of wisdom I realized: that I just had to wait and it would pass, and everything would be okay. You just have to endure.
Bra you need to be arrested
@@traylynhayes6166right like wtf
Pro tip: Google monitors and logs all comments that you post on their TH-cam platform. Even after the comment is deleted, it lingers in their servers for years. Hopefully you are being a good little boy and not harming anyone innocent, because this comment could be used against you in the future. Welcome to the cyberpunk dystopia
@@irmavep9917I don’t wanna sound dumb which I probably am. But how are they going to know if this comment was from him/her years later if it even would be that long, Especially knowing there’s no actual private info needed to have a TH-cam account. (Serious question by the way.) the account Doesn’t even have an actual name.
It wouldn't surprise me if Eldon were on the spectrum as well, and support for him was neglected because he wasn't as high-needs as his brother. This whole story is heartbreaking.
The father too. It seems they all may have been on the spectrum
He sounds like he is on the spectrum. So sad.
Not everyone is ADHD and autistic
ADHD and autism are genetic so it gets passed through families
@@Damned_afterall Not necessarily-- they're highly heritable, but not all cases are genetic.
I think you're giving more credit to these particular interrogators than they deserve
Way too much
Like others in this comment section, I too grew up in an abusive household. The physical abuse stopped when I turned 10, but having very unstable parents in a tiny low income home proved to be disastrous for my and my sibling’s mental health. I learned the hard way that CPS doesn’t care one bit about emotional turmoil- as long as you are being fed, and don’t have marks on you, they will happily leave you with abusive parents
This feeling of being trapped and having literally no escape was so suffocating that I suffered a 5 month long psychotic break when I was 16. Near the end of this break, my body moved on its own (Extreme depersonalization), and I grabbed a fork and shoved it into my throat. I would have done anything to escape purgetory, and in that very specific moment… I was willing to. It’s hard to describe the existential crisis that came with growing up around so much chaos and suffering. But… despite it all, as a 20 year old I am the happiest person on the planet. I somehow learned that letting go of anger and pain was the best way to overcome both
A saying I really connect with, “Heal before you have children, so they do not have to heal from you.”
Well in fairness often the foster care system can be just as abusive. If not far worse. So those individuals have to choose between not only taking you away from the only line of stability you have, but now paying an astronomical amount to put you into a different abusive home we’re more than likely you’re also going to have additional S abuse.
Hopefully you can grow to let go of resentment and have understanding that you’re parent/parents were not mentally capable of being everything a child deserves. Possibly even learn to be grateful. By that I mean I’ve seen both types of families healthy/non-. Often the people that come from unhealthy household have a direct advantage in many ways. They don’t go into the world with the same level of naivety or being sheltered so much to the point where you’ve become useless.
Ask children that came from foster parent households. Most of them as adults Will tell you that they’d rather have been in an abusive household with their families then go to the foster care system and then be abused by strangers. If you’re disappointed by how much the system already failed you imagine there being even more areas of the system you’re enveloped in? Do you think they would do an even better job? Everything the government does sucks. The more they are involved the worse it gets.
I also came from a similar household. I’ve pulled myself out from the gutter in that time I’ve met multiple self-made millionaires. People who are well rounded, hard workers, emotionally resilient etc. essentially every single one came from a poor/abusive background. Whereas The overwhelming majority of those I know that came from middle/upper middle class or wealthy families rarely have these attributes refined. They grow up with a sense of entitlement/arrogance myriad into their 40s+.
Best thing I can tell you is to start looking at your parent/s in a childlike manner. Or as if they have a mental health condition. I’d also suggest (if and when the time comes) Do not bother telling them you forgive them. Because there’s a fair chance you’re gonna be extremely disappointed with the reaction.
It’s reasonably normal around that age to go through extreme emotional psychosis. Your hormones are all out of whack, the magnitude of life begins to come to the forefront of your mind. Anxiety/depression and even nihilism are all NORMAL -> heck I’ve known multiple individuals who came from literal perfect household. Little House on the Prairie, Rich. Perfect perfect perfect in every way, yet they still went through depression, wanted to kill them selves, went through psychosis. The whole 9. Most of this will settle down over the course of time. By 25 max your hormones will be completely evened out in the world will seem less and dreadful/overwhelming.
(on your last point. Healing when done correctly shouldn’t take any more then 3yrs -> in the absolute worst case scenario) You have a certain timeline to have children. Specifically if you are a woman. And having children older is selfish. Whatever child/or even generations may have to go through is a drop in the bucket when it comes to weather your family exists in 100 years or doesn’t. I would go through a lifetime of unhappiness and sacrifice unreasonable amounts in order to have my family survive.
Several hundred thousands of years instability was a norm. Death in childbirth or early infant deaths. Sickness without medical care winters without food, you name it all of those things were done generation after generation to be sure that you were here today. BILLIONS of people will still be having children regardless of what the circumstances are. Legit horrific circumstances. Yet in 100 years those families will still be here.
Yet we have individuals like yourself like me and so on that are so worried about a stable environment that they’ve wiped away the opportunity to continue on legacy. And spit in the faces of our forbearers who went through unfathomable atrocities over the course of hundreds of thousands of years so that we can be here. Our families may have not done much but they made sure we were here.
I wish you all the best things possible in life! ❤❤❤
CPS ironically ended up at our home for something my mother *didn't* actually do. She was super abusive both physically and emotionally, but there was a relative calm of a few months during a summer when I was twelve, and she was actually being nice to me. One night when I had a friend over CPS showed up because of a huge bruise I had on my shin. A bruise that was caused by me accidentally banging against the metal frame of my folding bed. They never got called all the other times where she had hit me outside of our house in front of all of the neighbors, or even when she would have neighborhood kids restrain me so she could hit me...WTF?
I ended up being placed in foster care for about two weeks (they were really nice actually), and then on the day they were taking me to my "permanent foster home", I had no idea where I was going, but as we passed a familiar neighborhood, I had hoped that they would be close enough that I could still visit my grandparents. Then the car pulled up to my grandparents house.
Stayed with them for a year, which ended up being the best year of my childhood life (straight As too), but then on the day they went to actually sign the adoption papers, they found out my grandmother had cancer, so back to the unstable home I went. My mother was no longer able to physically abuse me, but she was even more out of touch with reality than previously.
I never wanted to have children, just because I didn't want to subject any of them to what I had to go through.
@@SamanthaP48You're someone I actually would like to talk to. Especially in regards to how the brain develops from 20 to 25. Among many other things. The conversation could go everywhere. Is there a way to DM privately on youtube to an email or?
Chronic stress acts like a toxin -- a literal poison. The food supply has been depleted of 'stress nutrients' like organic copper (copper rich soils and organ meats) and organic magnesium (greens). Bio-copper and magnesium basically run your mitochondria, so when chronic stress short circuits your mitochondria, bio-copper and magnesium deplete and mitochondria become compromised. The solution is to renutrify, detoxify, and destress... generationally. The standard American diet is poisoning Mama and Baby, 'silent weapon for quiet wars' style. I will share some names of people who share relevant information in another comment under your comment.
He took a sip of water*
Narrator- He’s drinking water because he’s lying
Definitely wasn’t thirsty
Looks like I’m inside makkan
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 YOOOOO
Glad I’m not the only one who sometimes thinks they’re sometimes full of $hite.
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197 big shite
Every single adult in these kids' lives failed them in every conceivable way. I feel so sorry for all of them.
given the volatile genetics, i'm not sure it would've gone any other way - even if the kids were given up at birth for adoption - like so many other stories on this channel
@360.Tapestry The ol Nature Vs. Nurture. 😢 Totally get what you're saying but you never really know. It might have changed nothing but he definitely would've had a better shot at life under different circumstances. Just tragic any way you look at it. 😢
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It definitely makes an argument for sterilization..
I called CPS so many times, my teachers even called bc id have to leave college exams to go make sure they were safe. Then their dad ran off with them. I had no idea where they were until the day a cop showed up at my gmas to tell us what happened. My mom and their dad were awful, terrible parents. Addicts, who would skip out on rent and fight non stop, neglect and emotional and physical abuse. It's not surprising to me, but I miss Johnny. Idk why I watch this stuff even 10 years later. I guess I'm hoping for closure in some way.
@@360.Tapestry So some humans are just born evil is what your saying? Like in the movies? Like the Disney villain? Aiiiight.
Suspect: "I killed my dad because he abused me and I feared for my safety. I killed my brother because I hated him for ruining our family."
Police: "Okay, but can you explain WHY you killed them?"
Suspect: ".. I just did. My dad abused me and I was scared. And I hated my brother."
Police: "Okay, okay. But we're just trying to understand why you killed them. Can you explain why?"
right? how infuriating.
and he's 14 YO FFS !!
Did he not understand his brother has a condition and can't help himself? I'm sure living with an autistic sibling is tough, but millions of people do and don't kill them. Tough childhood? Sure. But this? He's just a monster.
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he's raised by monsters wdye
@tishcallahan-smith6138 Your privileged ass is dumb as rocks please don't comment ever again without thinking first.
@@tishcallahan-smith6138Fool..
Interrogating a kid without representation (especially one from an abusive relationship) should be illegal in all states. Kids are way to impressionable.
At a young age, said the judge, they should be put in a pit with wild dogs. They should be set to puzzle out from their proper clues the one of three doors that does not harbor wild lions. They should be made to run naked in the desert until… , Judge Holden.Blood Meridian
@@brendanjoyce645 ok..... thanks psycho.
@@johnmichaels4330 you don’t understand a word children should be made to learn they would be interrogated but they shouldn’t be by cops who just pump children for information not caring about the core of the situation
@@brendanjoyce645Why are you quoting Judge Holden?
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I really feel for kids who have been abused all their lives and live in broken homes. No kids should have to suffer
True. Neither did his younger brother who he brutally murdered.
Yeah true but that doesn't mean go murder your family.
Plus people over come hardships in life but that doesn't mean go murder people.
He murdered his brother because he hated him not because of abuse you demon
@@mic47013it depends on the personal traits. Some people after abuse will punish others and some people will punish themselves.
Notice how the interviewer scratched his wrist, a sign that his wrist was itchy.
They’re called detectives not articulatives, these cops are dolts
Mind blown 🤯
Notice when he got up
Yea he was leaving the room
notice how there was food on the table, but there was no candle on the table?
33:25 this part happened and i looked down to see i was also sitting like that. i would get reckt in an interrogation. im gonna jsut ask for a laywer 100% of the time lol
This interview is so heartbreaking. He's just a kid, He was at his limit with the abuse that he's been receiving. Like the sister said "he head no chance", had he been in a better family he could've lived his younger years with a better persepective of life and not full of hatred and anger. He was just a kid overloaded with negative emotion and years of abuse physically, verbally and mentally. I pray for all the people who has been under similar situations. May we all have the strength and courage to face our struggles head on and move on.
when the guy sitting across from me in the waiting room crosses his leg..."he just shifted into a barrier position, what's that motherfucker hiding"
😭😭😭😭😭😭same🫣🤔😭😭
That's not always the case, though. I got a bad back, crossing my legs sometimes helps to relieve the pain a little.
Bro same, I do this just to get comfortable and the narrator thinks its a huge indicator that hes being deceptive
Lol
I cross my legs to get comfortable at home.
The narrator: This guy definitely kills people for a living.
The officer asking, ‘you know how many times my dad pushed me when I was kid’ was belittling.
Ikr? The kid already admitted that the father has abused him other times. Of course a shove/push is going to be a lot different for him than the officer.
@@siiighhhs he’s like oh you were pushed a couple times what’s the big deal? Obviously he doesn’t understand being abused.
You have to remember that they're making comments and asking questions in a way to get more information out of whoever they're interviewing. The detective 100% understands what abuse is, but his feelings don't matter right now.
@@siiighhhsif you shove somebody police class it as assault or battery when in all cases it is rather a minor thing, it's made out to be worse than it actually is
@revienknight1164 he really doesn't understand and his tactics are shit.
Feel very sorry for the youngest,can’t imagine how much of his short life was filled with fear.
ALL of it. Eldon stabbed him in the back with a kitchen knife when he was six. I understand that living with an autistic kid can be unbearably difficult but John was sick and couldn't help it and I think was terrorised by Eldon all his life and very possibly the mother.
and dad@@CityThatCannotBeCaptured
It seems no one thinks about the victims any more. This 'kid' thought about killing his brother for Years.
Sometimes, there Are just mean, bad 'kids'. They just usually grow up before they start killing...
@@Melanie-zm4xtno kid is born mean or violent or it’s taught nd learned in the environment and influences around them
@@quanguy8624 yeah,and you dream on. There Are Mean Kids.
Go to a state syco.ward...
As someone who was abused growing up. I definitely wondered "what would life be like if they died?" I would even ask family members "when my mom dies can I live with you?" because I could not see my life changing as long as she lived
That's very awful and I'm sorry your mind had to go there so young. I hope things are alot better for you now. Also love your username. Best wishes and I hope your life is changing all for the better 💖
It seems like this family was known to police (and social services?) from when the boys were tiny, and yet there doesn't seem to have been much support put in to protect either boy. It's such an incredible shame, and I wonder how things would have been different for them if it had.
Proof that gubmint DGAS about any of us except for taxes we pay to keep funding their existence . CPS by the way in most states is involved in child trafficking
Usually nothing is or can be done until some terrible crap goes down. We need more services for abused children.
Bro, my best friend lived in a trailer where his bed was falling through the floor onto the dirt and he had to sleep woth jackets on in the winter. Social services would always notify his mother before they came so she had time to clean and make sure everything looked fine. CPS is worthless.
@@knack8284 that's sort of my point. Often organisations like that are really underfunded so they just don't do much.
@@5050TM I doubt that he was abused as a child . Most likely the father reacted on mean things that older brother did to the younger .
There’s definitely something going on with this kid as well. He’s not all there mentally. Whether it’s a mental disorder, or societal issues. He’s definitely not all there!
Absolutely, and no doubt the neglect he endured played a role, as well.
Mental issues come from childhood trauma
Idk if it’s him not being all there… I think it’s more that there is more there that should not be. He has some extra stuff in his brain that is making him dangerous. Not a lack of things. If it was just a lack of things in his brain he would be passive and docile most likely.
In counseling one particular youth on the Autism Spectrum, talking to him was like pulling teeth. It took forever to get information to help him.
@@bayoutown1990 does this kid show signs of being on the spectrum?
"I can't tell if it's my heart racing, or his" just chills, I can't even begin to comprehend what the offices go through, it's just horrific listening, can't imagine actually having to be there
EWU is definitely the best at these analysis and gives a good understanding to these videos!
You learn to block things out. That's why we get videos of cops laughing at things. Because it's a coping mechanism as twisted as it is.
he will be out in 5 years , with all the abuse in prison, i wonder who is next?
It always hits later. When there is a shooting, your adrenaline is up to full, you don’t know if the shooter is still there.
Our body is amazing, with the way it handles circumstances. The officers will feel it later.
They don’t get enough respect. Especially the homicide and sex crimes units.
The way he calmly said it
@billyyank5807 yes but let's not make excuses for utter disrespect. Such as laughing at someone's death. Call it what you want, but that's beyond disrespectful.
Omg ABUSE. what’s so wrong with saying that word. I understand censoring cussing or specific acts but abuse?
TH-cam guidelines. They'll demonetize videos based on certain words. I agree it's dumb, but definitely a TH-cam issue and not EWU
The list grows daily
Soon the english language itself will end up considered offensive. It's already started with elimination of pronouns.
This is my only gripe with these - especially considering the topic.
In my opinion censoring only highlights the word. There is no one who can't instantly work out what is being implied. It just makes a little puzzle out of it where the answer is screamed out in my head. If they didn't censor it, the word would be as forgetful as the rest
This kid never had a chance. In my opinion. He didn't know how to process all of the pain and loss of his Mom. His brother couldn't help he was autistic. Both parents let these boys down. He snapped. My heart hurts for these children. I hope he gets some help. Thank you for covering this. I appreciate the hard work this channel does.
@@kikibalser I hear you Linda. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
The system let this people down. Starting with the housing issues, following with the mental health problems and adding guns into the mix. America is a decadent empire.
And he got sent to an adult prison as a young teenager. Idk what the solution is but it sure ain't that.
it's almost always like that when kids kill. No one with a good upbringing would even think of it. I always feel bad for them even though they're murderers. They're killers but not evil.
@@gpolenikincorrect, the Columbine kids were from loving middle class homes. That's just one example. Elliott Roger is another. There are plenty of kids who are raised well who do this kind of thing, don't kid yourself.
As someone who grew up with an abusive dad, I understand him. It’s hard not to grow up with hate and resentment when you never receive any love from a parent.
Yeah that still doesn’t justify why he killed his brother tho
skill issue tbh
He prob was a glass child has john would have all the attention, the special treatment and Eldon would loathe it feeling unfair and mentions numerous times "mom wouldn't have left"
@@muuminoobjeta437that’s crazy 😭😭😭😭
stop defending a murderer
To everyone who went through childhood trauma, you have my deepest sympathy.. I Couldn't imagine!
Thank you for those words. I'm glad there are those who cannot! ❤️🙏💞
It’s a terrible thing that affects your whole life took me 40 years to come to terms with it. See a doctor to help don’t deal with it yourself it was my biggest mistake but I’m good now love your children god bless
Its IDAHO USA lol- LD$/FLD$ cults "LatterDaySaints" are "Preparing the People" according to chad daybell and lori vallow. smh- Lots of cultish behaviors here! Lots of child abuse. Some people shouldnt have kids !
Been through that as a child I still go through the trauma but I stayed true to myself my heart is good I didn't go crazy like him mental.
Thank you for your kind words.
one thing i didn’t like about this interrogation is that the detectives spent a long time trying to get him to admit that the crime was premeditated, and eldon clearly wasn’t really understanding their line of questioning. my guess is that he had intrusive thoughts of killing his father/brother during his father’s abusive episodes, and this time, the intrusive thoughts won
Those thoughts were not intrusive at all. He fantasized about it. Intrusive means not wanted, and he absolutely wanted those thoughts because he hated his dad and brother.
@@infinitedeath1384 just because you hate someone doesn’t mean you want to kill them, even if the thought crosses your mind every now and then. with that said, i don’t really agree with my original comment because the conditions to establish “premeditation” are pretty weak. For example, acting on an intrusive thought might be enough to establish premeditation
@@ethan_martin I never said that everyone who hates someone wants to kill them. Hate can be a reason someone wants to kill someone, and it was in this case.
As a mother of an autistic child my heart breaks hearing how his mother left because she couldn't handle him and how his brother hated him for being autistic and the challenges that brings. That poor boy was punished for something he could not help or control. So sad.
Autism is unfair for everyone. Parents , siblings. And the autistic person themself. No one seems to be trying to fix this epidemic and it's infuriating to know how many kids are struggling with severe asd. Can't judge this mother though as the rest of the home life seemed to be chaotic in general, and the autism might not be the primary reason for leaving. I will say , abandoning your child never sounds like a good thing.
@@kenw2225Epidemic???? Autism has always been here. People just did not diagnose it and put the people away in the sanitariums or asylums. ✌
@@kenw2225ngl i don't think being autistic is "bad for everyone" i mean i vaguely understand what you're trying to say, but my girlfriend had autism and she copes with it very well, however i do know everyone copes with things differently.
@@sbntikthey didn't say "bad" they said "unfair" two totally different words
@@kenw2225 it absolutely isn't. The idea that family members are suffering because of an autistic kid is, fairly, offensive.
His son and grandson are dead and his other grandson is accused and he is laughing and smiling. “No he didn’t yell at Johnny, he would yell at the other one”. That is an awesome grandfather
I saw that too. It even stood out to me that he called Eldon, "the other one". That grandfather was very disconnected with his family from what it sounds like. Makes me wonder what kind of parent he was to the father of these two boys thar possibly led to the father of the boys being as messed up as he was.
1:19:25: BIG missing point here is; Dad had weapons laying around LOADED. That creates INSANE fear. I totally can see (being an abused kid myself) how a parent pushing one HARD could create TREMENDOUS fear of being hurt. And it provokes me SO MUCH that they try and make this weird "If i pushed you, you wouldn't feel the need to shoot me" No?? cause he is not threatened by you like that. He keeps saying "dad was on his medication. He thought there was zombies" don't you get how terrifying that would be to experience? I totally get how he would feel like the dad was dangerous.
he hated his brother more he said. kid is crazy thats it
@aarona5839 Dude his parents fucked him up.
@@aarona5839 "Kid is crazy that's it" is sometimes true, but not with this kid. It's obvious his home situation was weird and f.cked up. It doesn't rectify his actions, but bad nurture can do unimaginable things to a person
It's not a missing point lol they mentioned it many times lol
Exactly
when he said he should die for killing his family it struck a nerve for me. clearly this kid is a real person on the inside and not a full 100% monster. ina diffrent life with normal people around him he couldve become something of a regular person.. very sad to think about
I think at the end Eldon said _"I wanna go back to California"_ in a wistful way, knowing deep down that wasn't going to happen. He clearly misses his mother deeply.
He's also a minor who was questioned for hours without the presence of a parent, a supportive adult or legal counsel after a traumatic episode. You can see towards the end he is exhausted and has shut down, repeatedly giving "yeah" as an answer.
Also the impoverishment, poor living situation (run down emergency shelter), the obvious neglect (Eldon is very underweight for his age), the absence of his mother and the stress of having a profoundly disabled brother had all clearly taken a toll.
Eldon's father's history of drug use, his mental state, his obsession with an impending zombie apocalypse, the presence of unsecured guns and weapons and his Zolpidem habit are also deeply relevant.
Have you seen someone who is addicted to Zolpidem and takes large doses regularly? I have. It can cause lowered inhibitions, agression, confusion, strange behaviour, kleptomania and amnesia. These behaviours would be very scary for a child to see in their sole caregiver. This is proven as Eldon had called the police on his father for this reason before, something he would not do lightly due to his belief it would anger his father.
None of this is to defend what Eldon did. What he did was truly heinous and inexcusable, especially in regards to his little brother. But context is important and I believe this event was the result of a lifetime of neglect, abuse and pressure that exploded that night. His father pushing him was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
A very sad story for every person involved.
This kid is pure evil 👿!!
Elden do nothing wrong! He was liberating himself from a horrible situation, he was a child, he didn’t know better!
@@knightmarecx2069 he killed his disabled little brother???
@@marcellplaceres8724 am still crying 😢 that innocent angel
Honestly I think there were 3 monsters in that interrogation room. The suspect was an idiot kid who did a horrible thing and should be punished for it. The two coppers knew exactly what they were doing, knowing exactly what they could do to not deny him his rights, but make it as hard as possible for him to know he should be exercising them.
I wish this channel would do similar videos about people who ended up being totally innocent. The coppers behaviour is easy to justify when the suspect is actually guilty, I’d love to see all clever analysis and the praise for “good” police work getting a confession when the suspect turns out to be totally innocent and has just been railroaded into a confession
The detectives keep thinking eldon is lying but a lot of times it seems like he just doesnt understand the wording of the questions.
hes doing this on purpose because hes lying
@@Lotsof_FPSnah it’s different
@@vibes1680i’m trans
It seems like Eldon has some sort of intellectual disability or he’s neurodivergent in some sense. He’s clearly not a completely well rounded person.
Yeah like "Shot gun shots"
Even I had to look at the screen to make sure that's what I heard cause like that's not a thing in the way they asked it. Do you mean shot gun shells? Shot gun wounds?
It really killed me inside when he talked about having and being a happy family. As someone with a somewhat abusive father (mostly verbal) and an autistic sibling i can understand the amount if mental fatigue you can experience. Luckily around the time i had enough of the dynamic at home I left to live somewhere else. Best decision I ever made.
Me too I had to leave young . The abuse by my parents to my brother and myself was to much.
Do you know if your brother is ok? I am a mother of a 5 year old with autism (born in 2018), and I truly understand the stress it causes, but at least in his case, his actions may not be under his control for now. So I was just wondering if he’s ok, maybe receiving some outside therapy (psychological/occupational/ABA) .
Glad you chose to save yourself, best to you in continued healing. ❤️🙏💞
Good for You
I very glad you were able to have another opportunity for a better situation
Can only imagine if you didn’t have any other options.
😊
This poor kid is so far gone he can’t even hold a conversation. He seems so lost every time they ask him a question:
I cried when he said, “We would’ve been a happy family.” What a horrible tragedy. Those poor boys, with no guidance, no loving mother around, no protective father… So sad.
hard to feel bad for anyone who could do what he did to a disabled little kid. some people were only put here to fill a grave and this kid has already done more of his share than that.
@stevenunyabidness Hard to feel sad, huh? His crazy father has weapons all over the house and trains his son to prepare for a zombie apocalypse while living in filth and being evicted constantly because he puts drugs and madness above taking care of his kids? Someone doesn't do an act like Eldon did without being pushed far beyond what any human should ever have to endure. And after 2 years in prison he feels BETTER than he has ever felt before, which tells you how brutal his home life was. Eldon was as much as a victim as any of the three.
@@cartoonloon8 no eldon wasnt as much as a victim as john under the bed getting shot at by multiple guns, then his brother stabs and hacks at his limbs and head. For his father I dont really care. But you are an absolute idiot for thinking the child with a DISABILITY, WENT THROUGH THE SAME NEGLECT AND HOUSEHOLD AS HIS BROTHER, AND ALSO DIED FROM HIS BROTHER is comparable
Wake up! You must be evil also to relate.
@jillthemuderer
This is incredibly sad. I can't even begin to imagine how damaging and traumatic it would be for those kids living in that household. I just wish he'd not harmed his brother.
As someone who endured an abusive childhood, it’s heartbreaking how apparent Eldon’s self-loathing is. You can just see he thinks he is worth nothing at all to anyone. It hurts. I once felt that way.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143😊
Imagine living in a time where grown adults put this madness on a child 😭💔. Zombie Apocalypse INDEED 😲🤯💔😭🫣
Eldon snapped and kill everyone. Intrusive thoughts took over. Also brotherly hate is not rare. I always wish bad stuffs happens to my brother and it did. He died years ago because of a reckless driving under the influence of substance. Also hes the younger one. It must great to be u who never felt the hatred growing.
@@allisonoconnor8055 Do you think it has stopped? It hasn’t.
when i was his age it was a lot easier to focus my frustration on my younger siblings than it was to understand all the ways my parents were failing us through neglect and verbal abuse. i'm so grateful we didnt have guns in the house. i worry how many kids are close to doing what this kid did. hope they make it through.
:hugs: I hope you have found some safety and peace
It’s scary to think about how this situation is more likely going on right now with a different child and it’s family, if not worse
My sister has told me if we had had a gun she would've done it. And I get it. Back then it seemed like it would never end. I would've killed myself, she would've killed us.
Abuse and neglect destroy humanity. It's no excuse for murder, nothing is. I do however hope Eldon gets the help he needs and isn't made to suffer more than he already has. He's dangerous, sure, but he never got a chance at a decent life.
guns are not the problem per see.... knives and even rocks or bricks can be used to kill
I was the younger one that got abused by my older half sister, because she didn't understand why we had different dads.+ living in a toxic, always hungry for drama family, got beaten bad for little things, and verbally abused by my parents that I will never make it in this world, has lowered my self esteem so bad. Imagine how this all feels on the younger kid that gets all the abuse constantly from everybody in the family. I still struggle with my sanity at 32 from time to time because of this, it was a freaking hell of a ride to get here now, thankful I didn't kill anybody, believe me I wanted to kill all of them so bad at those moments! I even imagined them having car accidents so they won't come home. I know how this kid feels, what's important is not to let your emotions get the better of you, just think that in time it will get better. No more abuse...
These are the worst interrogation detectives I've ever seen. They've asked him "How many" this or "How many" that? The kid ain't counting how many times he's thought of hurting his brother or father. He's an abused 14 year old "BOY" where is his protection? Where is his lawyer? He doesn't know to ask a lawyer. This whole interrogation needs to be thrown out!
It doesn't matter how old you are if you committed a terrible crime. They took advantage of the fact that he was a child and decided to extract information through heavy pressure, which, of course, worked perfectly. Maybe this caused him a little psychological trauma, but, believe me, no more trauma than the sight of two bodies mutilated by his own hands.
I wonder if you hold the same views for battered woman syndrome
Shut up
I don't understand how detectives expect a 14 year old to psychologically understand why he did what he did, particularly right after this horrific incident. I imagine it would take years and years of therapy for him to truly understand why he did what he did, and understand the dynamics of what sound like an extremely painful family life. I do believe his parents abused him. Look at where they were living, the malnutrition, his mom running away. This is heartbreaking.
That isnt the point of the questioning, how many years have you done detective work?
well he said his dad was physically abusing him but the only thing in confusion would be him killing his younger brother
@@romansbottom True. Rage, resentment, blame are the words that come to my mind.
It doesn't take therapy to understand why you'd want someone dead. Therapists are not all-knowing. They aren't psychics. They rarely lead patients to any introspection and typically look for exterior sources of blame.
If he can hack his little brother apart with a machete after shooting him multiple times, he can be treated as an adult would be. His feeling don't matter. His actions do.
They don’t really care. They’re just trying to entrap him. It’s always about revenge for them. Not about helping anyone. Not even the victims.
Why The boys weren't taken away from the parents way before this incident is absolutely mind-blowing. He even said that he called the police and said his dad was under the influence trying to drive and everything. System failed this boy many times over And it's just as responsible as the Father, mother, and grandfather.
The system often does more harm than good. A cultural change is the only way to fix this, a culture focused on families. The system is not an answer and anyone that has been through it will tell you so.
There's not enough foster homes. People want to raise their own children, not someone elses. It sucks.
@@jacobmeis1249 No. The people who got into a good home would tell you different. More good people need to become foster parents, period. A lot of mom's stay at home with the kids anyways, so why not earn a wage while she does. That's how we change this.
Obviously you have little experience with the children of foster care or you are making your income off of this.
@@hotcrazycatladyme168
They were living in an Emergency shelter... the dad was clearly a deadbeat
I love that EWU doesn’t really have a release schedule so it’s always a pleasant surprise when we get a new video 😊 great work as always!
I didn’t even realize it was new until reading this comment (I’m still catching up as they’re new to me) apparently I opened it 13 mins after it was posted I’ve never been to a video so soon!! Of course it was by accident lol so definitely a pleasant surprise for me!
I still wonder whether the man who does the voiceover also does the voice of Ghostface in the Scream movies, there’s so much similarity
YABADABADOOOOO ❤ I love EWU😊
nah yeah, i love that about their channel
@@anaalicia5029it isn't. The voice of Ghostface is Roger L. Jackson, the narrator of this is Russell Archey aka The Ravon.
Eldon- “what’s your name?”
Officer- “cohen”
Eldon- “that’s a cool name”
Officer- “thanks 🤭”
This instantly made me sad because it was such an innocent exchange 🥺 like it was so obvious he is still a child despite the severity of his crimes
coo hen 😝
(hen coop) ..
or cool a hen!
As a 17 year old with a severely autistic twin brother, I definitely understand his jealousy of his brother on a personal level. I felt that way when I was little, too, but of course nowhere near the point of wanting to hurt him. I eventually grew out of it, and I’m closer to him than ever even though he can’t talk. Autistic and disabled children deserve so much better, don't make it worse for them. ❤
I'm autistic unfortunately i was diagnosed in the 1970's without my knowledge i wasn't told until i was 36
This is really uplifting to hear. I was undiagnosed until I was sixteen and I can’t imagine what dealing with my constant overstimulation was like for my younger brother… I hope you and your brother continue to have a great relationship. 💜
As somebody who is named exactly him and is autistic, I now have an irrational fear of this happening.
Yeah but he wasn;t just jealous though. He was completely self-absorbed, as he proved with his story about wanting all the candy for himself because that's "good."
Working with kids and going to school for Early Childhood care and Edu, it's more than understandable that a child's mind is developing and not developed and so much what goes on in their solo universe effect's them entirely, so killing is a different point of view. Their emotions are unhinged and by far it's really primal even without reason and unaccountability.
It's scary on how dangerous our minds can get and feels more dangerous with kids, as it feels there is no responsibility, empathy and emotions.
Kids truly can be pure evil and those without realizing it or understanding it (or both)
Everyone has a threshold, but certainly you cannot presume to know anyone, even the ones you live with because it's what they don't say is what anyone should be worried for.
As a kid I didn't even know how to express myself and I'm a full fledge adult now and STILL learning. (You never stop learning ^.^)
That's what is frightening of our species.
I used to have that same look on my face as a teen. My step-dad humiliated me and beat the hell out of me for years and years. The funny thing is he really didn't understand that he was the reason I was depressed and doing drugs. This is happening in so many households. Its insane how many children are abused and molested on a daily basis. The fact the we ignore it as a society is even worse
I'm sorry ik what it's like
Sorry you had to go through that, when a parent is supposed to be your foray into building trust with people. Absolutely reprehensible that it's such a common occurrence.
Glad you, presumably, got away without becoming a sociopathic murderer.
I’m so sorry that your stepfather did that to you. I’m sure it was even worse than what you were so bravely able to share. I hope that you are away from him now. I hope you’re living well, at peace and you are truly happy. 💞
Furthermore, I hope you realize, no matter what you did, or did not do, it is not your fault! No one has the right to put their hands on a child or humiliate anyone, especially when it’s usually only to make the abuser feel better.
My stepdad was also a horribly abusing prick. I'm grateful I only had to see him every other weekend....his poor sons though...they took a lot of abuse.
It took me ten years of drug addiction to finally realize my upbringing were the reason why I was so lost and on drugs. I'm now 3 years clean of opiates.
The fact that Anthony can just blatantly deny the evidence while he had been lucky enough to not live with his dad is wild to me.
@@alishacenteno8770 he said "i never saw it, i don't think so",,,and when the cops said they heard it did happen, he said "oh, well maybe i should rethink that" ...he never out-right denied it.
@@diox8tonythat was the grandfather, Anthony was the half brother
An abusive father, an autistic younger brother, and an absent mother due to her ex- husband's abuse produced a sad chapter in a 14 year old boy's life.
That cop was being really slimy "you have the right to talk to me and I have the right to talk to you"
Thats a complete misrepresentation of his rights
Yeah. Not to defend him but the interrogation seems wrong, that's how it is though I guess and why you never talk to them guilty or innocent.
They actually used and addressed this during the trial and appeal.
@@InverseCr0wn that's exactly what I was thinking a lawyer would jump all over
That's why you need to do it by the book, you can get all that information and none of its admissible because they were deceptive
The detectives were slimy altogether. Desperately seeking a premeditated charge, and saying shit like “if I punched you, would you shoot me?” As if a stranger punching you is somehow comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. Kinda felt sick watching this, and I wish it was only because of the details of the crimes committed.
@@BonyHawksToeSkater some people say the cops are wrong no matter what.
I can't understand why a video about a 14-year old killing his family would have the word 'abuse' censored but would leave 'murder' or 'kill' uncensored.
TH-cam guidlines
This is TH-cam's censoring efforts, a lot of people way back in the day would get mad at TV for censoring language and used to spout that if they had a show they wouldn't censor it. Everyone thinks they are not corruptible, everyone thinks they will be able to support free speech, until they have their income threatened. Now everyone's just a pawn in a scheme for censorship, no one has the balls to say no and find alternate means of income. Once TH-cam started paying people to make videos, that's where trouble started. Prior to people getting paid TH-cam was flourishing and many people made it series of videos and got paid by other methods, a lot of them did it for free, nowadays everyone's doing it for money. As a result we have a younger generation that wants to grow up to be a TH-camr as opposed to something that supports infrastructure and society, and as a result of that everyone is becoming Pro censorship. S******* on their own rights and everyone else's rights for some money
TH-cam doesn't like certain words and will demonetize videos
Woke political correctness
Woke political correctness
Regardless if he’s guilty or not. It’s fairly gross they’re allowed to coerce a child with obvious mental issues to possibly self incriminate.
They just let him talk
There's so much more to this story, before and after. I just commented...
This is such a tiny view of the overall story. And I completely agree with you...
absolute, shame on them
@@jonah.donohuethe same way a baby would drown in a tub if you just let it swim
'Self incriminate?' I think the evidence pretty much did the job there. Someone has to do the job of getting the puss out, and they did it without aggression.
These cops should not have been allowed to interview this very disturbed young man. Clearly he needed the help of people who know about mental health and reliving past trauma to get the best out of him. Detectives are not trained to interview minors with mental health issues
it really is shocking
I agree. Piggies just trying to get their quota. No sympathy for Eldon’s situation. His actions weren’t right but the detectives lacked major empathy for the poor kid
Y'all are soft puseys
@@User986811 referring to cops as piggies is unnecessary especially considering quota isn’t a thing. 2 the kid had issues yes but he officially killed someone and a specialist would only be involved after or during a trial to judge if he was mentally stable to be judged or admitted to a form of special care and it would have been unlikely he got to go and live a normal life
@@User98681you do know detectives aren't the cops doing terrible things on the streets
I am amazed by the fact that throughout the interrogation - and apparently also during the trial - the strangeness of a house full of weapons of all sorts and this father's obsession with a zombie apocalypse is practically never taken into consideration. An autistic child and another slightly older child left in the hands of an obviously deranged person? Are we really surprised if things have taken a disastrous turn? The whole thing is an absolute tragedy, but the real blame lies behind it.
Amen
i’ve heard of more wild things than believing in zombies lol i don’t think that’s a valid point.
absolutely - but in so many of these cases it's just the cops apportioning blame. And you see it in the comments. Lots of judgement, very little awareness of situations behind these tragedies. We ignore them at the peril to society.
@@AmmoPackI’ve seen parents who believed far worse, doesn’t mean these guys’ delusional parent isn’t delusional. The fact of the matter is that his parental figures were not only bad people, or acted badly, they also were seemingly distant from their children. Don’t allow your judgment to be so impaired, fellow. Sometimes, when comparing the Empire State Building to the burj khalifi, it’s okay to still call the Empire State Building tall.
A house full of weapons is a person's choice to arm themselves. That's not an indication of much. The belief in the zombie apocalypse tho? 💀😭
Anyone else think it's kind of ridiculous that we censor the words "Abuse" "Sex" and "Rape" but are totally fine with graphic descriptions of a kid killing his brother with a machete?
@@chilenapromedioRU you know that's just so they can't get sued, right? these videos are insanely useful for future lawyers.
@@chilenapromedioRU you do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to analyze these cases and make a proper documentary with facts and useful information. So hell yeah he better get paid for it! Hours and hours of editing and studying to make his videos. If he were simply uploading interrogations without any input then your strong response would make more sense.
Violence is censored more in Europe, and sex is censored less. This would seem to be the way it should be if you had to choose one or the other to be censored. Of course, America has it a$$-backwards. Just like everything else. We love to see the blood and guts fly, but by-golly how offended we get just saying the WORDS to describe sex.
@@chilenapromedioRU Why watch them then if you don't agree?
TH-cam automatically attempts to detect objectionable material in the video (both video and audio) and will automatically de-monetize the upload or even the channel for violations (although this is not enforced fairly)
So yes the censorship is dumb but so is the blanket policy of demonetizing everything with questionable content.
I mean, if a 14 year old was talking about all this major trauma with two police it's amazing he can speak at all. Putting his foot under his body or rubbing his chin seems more normal than malicious..
Right, I hate how demonized and scrutinized this poor kid's actions or choice of words are. He just went through the most traumatic event of his life, of course he isn't going to be clear headed.
I never seen someone need a lawyer like this kid. The detectives keep trying to nail him for pre-meditation. The last half of the interview is just trying to put pre-meditation in there. They don't care about getting to the truth. the kids is totally traumatised. I see a lot of anxiety and trauma and he seems genuinely upset. I don't think he has processed what's happened yet. The remorse will come. He's not very fast mentally.
It looks to me like he was self conscious of his feet as they probably weren't groomed. The first thing he asked for when they were taking a break was shoes. He probably felt exposed, and that's why he was curling them
This channel is 70% bootlicking and propping up psudo science. These videos would be 30 minutes if the producer didnt have to throw out his judgement every 10 seconds smh. just like a cop
@eric28 this channel does lean heavy into extremely abstract behavior analysis matter of factly. It's annoying af. But even that isn't as bad as the bootlicking.
That poor kid...90% sure he's high functioning autistic, those cops were in the wrong with how they talked about his Miranda rights, and wrong with how they interrogated the kid. It's obvious he's asking questions to understand what the cop means, like with "shotgun shells" and far more. It's obvious this kid has been neglected and abused in so many ways, and probably snapped...
being autistic and abused is NOT an excuse to commit murder! shame on you for sympathizing with this demon
Both of these children deserved so much better, my heart breaks for them both.
Yeah😢
He'll be out on the streets in just 5 years -2029
Once again, you guys are awesome for adding subtitles! I know it must’ve taken a while but I appreciate it a lot
As far as the portion where it was said that he doesn’t fear authority like the typical teen would.. I personally have experience with this. As I was growing up I had a very violent and sadistic mother.. throughout the timeline of abuse I began to lose the fear & respect for authority. When the “authority” in your life has been proven to be insufficient or unreliable.. you begin to feel a sense of authority; this carries over into the development process.
Interesting- thanks for sharing. Sounds like you have insight into what influenced you as a child.
Never really thought about it before but holy shit this is accurate - I understand everything you wrote.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that kind of Mother. Mothers are supposed to love and protect you.
You certainly did NOT deserve that.
how are you doing now?
Let's be honest, this is one of the only channels that deserves its following, and does amazing work.
“I can’t tell if it’s my heart pumping or his” the way the cop wanted to break down but buckled up and did his job. So much respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle a scene like that
hahaha some pig was too stupid to perform a basic medical exam and this lady wants to praise him for it lmao
I thought the same thing. Tragic all around
Same! It's tragic & break's my heart...A terrible situation all around.The crazy parents the autistic child, guns & SO MANY knives -weapons everywhere!!!
And these amazing officers that do this nearly impossible job😰
He didn't wanna break down, it's a body response it's normal and routine officers are badass they put their life on the line daily for little pay
@@tomdrum1394don't blame guns, ppl can be killed by anything if someone was killed by a lamp would you blame the lamp .....😒
I feel very sorry for this child. I believe his older sister Natasha, i think that was her name, nailed it when she said that “Eldon never had a chance” for a normal life inside his family dynamic. Like any other kid, all he wanted was a happy family. He loved his mother and watching her suffer abuse at his father's hands to the point of her leaving was a total heartbreaker for Eldon. He was neglected, abused by his father for years, evidently experiencing intense emotions he couldn't deal with from so many facets of his disfunctional home life. Its obvious that he had no counseling or any caring adult to discuss those intense, every-present emotions he wasn't equipped to deal with alone. What Eldon did was not to be condoned, but circumstantially he was a volcano ready to erupt in the worst way possible. Those detectives treated him more like a streetwise criminal than the emotionally disturbed child that he was. All they wanted was their bottom line at the end of that interrogation. They certainly got that considering they baited and dragged him along through their process. Usually, Children's Services are sniffing around families with problems, at the ready to snatch a child away from their birth parents. Where were they all of the years this zombified disfunctional family was harboring 2 young children, one now dead? I only hope that the young Eldon had counseling at his disposal in that Adult Prison they saw fit to place him in. Seems like being around a bunch of adult criminals is not the best therapy for an abused young teen.
The kid deserves what's coming to him.
Everything wrong with the world failed this kid.
This guy just killed his dad and brother and he starts off the convo with “That’s a cool name” 😂😂😂bro what
@@tacos420.7Finish your school
I agree I was actually disgusted with how these detectives handled this- like this kid was giving him what they needed and they were like bullying him into making himself look like a monster
That Miranda warning was about as clear as molasses "I have the right to talk to you and you have the right to talk to me." I've never heard it explained that way before. A half decent defense attorney would probably have a field day with what was said.
oh you're totally right, that completely excuses him from murdering people
Yeah, the way they phrased that might make the entire interrogation thrown out as unlawful.
@@Sharpie_17 Lol Not too bright are you, Sport? You COMPLETELY missed the point of what I said.
@@xyz7572 It very well could.
@@dextermorgan1 doesn't matter at all what you said, you're trying to defend a murderer, you're no better than they are
He probably snapped after all the abuse he has suffered. You can't excuse murder but it helps to understand what drove him to do it. It's sad all round.
This was incredibly sad and personally, justice failed this kid. He clearly was abused, neglected, and snapped from the environment his father put him in. And to top it off, him going into adult prison he's only going to get worse unless he gets help. So sad. Prayers to him and family.
My thoughts completely!!!
All of the degenerate scumbag sub-human filth garbage less-than-dirt molecules of feces feeling bad for this murderer in the comments is unbelievable.
And unfortunately, he WONT get help. He'll be thrown in there and forgot about.
Are you joking, he murdered his family so justice was served and hope he never gets out. Imo, there are a lot and I mean a lot of children that get abused, but they don't go and murder someone. So stop.
@@unicornmadness6286I hope you never work in social services.
He said “you have the right to talk to me”…instead of you have the right to remain silent. 😂
Messed up
He does have a right to talk and also to not talk it’s a diversion strategy to get criminals to incriminate themselves.
Police count on people being ignorant that’s why when people refuse to speak and request council they get so frustrated because than it’s up to them to prove guilt. Police will never help you prove your innocence .
He’s 14!! Total case of coercion 😮
Cop is a manipulative mofo. He might as well be sitting on the other side.
The cops continuously asking him “if he puched you why wouldn’t you punch him back instead of shooting him” that’s too much. He obviously seems to have taken it from his dad one too many times. I’m not condoning murder but he was pushed to his limit and snapped. This is why children need to truly be seen and heard. How anyone around them didn’t notice his deteriorating state is beyond me. It’s unfortunate that he did this, but he needed help just as badly as any other abused child out there. This is a failure of society.
100. Why didn't you simply fight back against the guy who's way bigger than you and controls your life? Suicidal
Complete failure....
What the cops don’t understand is that a child who is consistently abused, they’re afraid to fight back because the retaliation from their abuser(s) will be much worse. So of course this kid felt like the only way to make it stop was to put an end to it himself. My heart breaks for this kid. It’s not like he just decided he wanted to kill his parents, this has been building up for sometime and he felt completely defeated and terrified. So for the cop to ask him such a crazy question like this kid actually had that option is beyond me smh.
There are plenty of people who had crappy abused childhoods who know the difference between right and wrong and grew up to live well and did not turn into perverted killers.
Loooooool
Ikr
Makes no sense!
If the lion Biten you, why didnt you bite him back instead of using a gun???????
I went to school with this kid. And I was also in the juvenile detention center at the time they had locked up for these charges. They actually let him go into general population for a little while and I struck up a conversation without even knowing who I was talking to at the time. Somebody came up and told me later that he was in for murdering his brother and his dad and all I could think was “this kid?! Nah not a chance” but when I got out I hears whole town talking about it. He really was a nice kid, just got dealt a bad hand by his obsessive father. His father really did threaten him with weapons and manipulation so I see the reasoning behind the thought of being scared. But the brutal slaying of his autistic brother is just so beneath me I could never understand how somebody could remove such innocence from this world with such intent. Anybody ever wonder how many murderers they’ve come into contact with and not even known it?
At roughly 2:59 the indistinct part of that sentence is "pie in". When clearing rooms police use a tactic known as slicing the pie due to the visual appearance of the angular sweep they do when entering. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Great content as always.
Mmmmm. Pie... 😛
What I don´t understand: People keep asking why. Eldon can't easily answer the reasons why. There are certainly several answers that a psychiatrist can find out, but not in a police interrogation.
They need a confession and reason why
The “barrier” position is how I sit everywhere. Id be screwed even as an innocent. 😂
Same. Its just a comfortable way to sit.
Yeah, when you're in low-pressure situations and want to be comfortable. Not if you were innocent and felt a sense of urgency to tell the cops everything you know about the victims & suspects of a murder.
Easy solution:
"I want a lawyer.
I invoke my right to remain silent."
No lawyer has ever said "I sure am glad my client talked to the police"
Exactly, and don't drink any water that day or else you are guilty
Also don't act sad or itch your face or fidget, just be a statue
So much pain in this kids eyes …when he said I’m thinking of changing my name 😢
When you grow up in an abusive & neglectful home like that, it makes you think insane things sometimes. I've had to genuinely think about killing my own father in self defense, but thankfully its never actually come to that. Hearing cases like this breaks my fucking heart. It really does. A child should never have to feel like the only way out is for someone to die. I hope Eldon gets the help he needs one day. RIP to Johnathan as well. He deserved better. They both did. Also the sister's statement of "he never had a chance"...chills. She nailed it. I hope the family can recover from this tragedy.
Feel bad for Jonathan and his father, the real victims, not that monster. Skewed priorities man, jeez.
I once had to walk away from my dad while he was scolding me from the sofa. I was standing behind him with a paring knife in my hand (I was cooking when he called me into have a go).
He called something like a "little whore" and I had a fleeting image of planting that knife right in the top of his dome.
@@chaddad1488My heart breaks for Jonathan and what Eldon _could’ve_ been in a loving, healthy household, not who he is now or what he did.
Why you or anyone else feel bad for *their* abusive father, I have no idea. Not all victims deserve to be missed or cried for. He gets no empathy from me. 🤷♀️
@@j_g9109 Boo hoo daddy was mean, and what's the excuse for why he killed Jonathan? Who cares what his excuse was, there's no good reason to kill your family that isn't self-defense.
@@chaddad1488clearly you didn't grow up in an abusive home. It's literal psychological and physical torture day in and day out but if you tell anyone it will only get worse. Knowing you'll have to suffer that for years and years. Then there's a way out, that being murder. An immature, undeveloped child will take that way out rather than suffer at the hands of a monster. I don't condone his actions, but saying that the dad was completely innocent in this is just weaponized ignorance. I think it's horrible and unforgivable that he would kill Justin, but you can't act like abuse is innocent.
'Like I said' does not mean someone is lying. It means they already said a thing and then they are going to say it again.
i say it all the time because 90% of the people i talk to dont actually listen to people talking to i gotta remind them lol
Right like according to all these interrogations I'm a liar in1000 ways but I'm not I'm actually super honest!
It does say that it *may* be, but can also just be used to reaffirm something you said earlier. They state in just about every video that one behavior alone is not an indication of deception, and they look for at least three happening either at the same time or in quick succession.
@@benjamminthor1342same it confuses me 😊
They also clarify that the behaviors in the interviews are compared to the baseline behaviors of the individual, because what may be a sign of deception in one person it may be a common tick or gesture for another.
The detective says "I don't want to put words in your mouth", but then he constantly asks a question and then immediately suggests the answer instead of waiting for an answer
At the start of the interview I understood with it being pretty obvious he was lying but around the end it just felt like they were trying to manipulate him to say it was premeditated and were just confusing him when in general it sounds like he just snapped
this is horrifying that a 14 year old child has no assistance, just treated like a sophisticated adult, shame on the State of Idaho
But he literally killed his dad and brother
Shame on many policies, like taking rights away from women too
@@adrianstyba166 his father drove him insane and murderous
I appreciate the juxtaposition of footage at the beginning; the police officer clearing the harrowing conditions meanwhile showing Eldon sitting in the back of a cop car, impatiently and idly tapping his foot as if waiting for his fast food order.
Great job as always, EWU. I always appreciate the effort and narrative your team composes to tell these victims stories.
I was just watching Hannibal and loved that in the brain eating scene, how it cut to overhead shots of a police convoy racing through beautiful scenery in silence. before returning to the horror... Sometimes it's nice when watching video footage to have shots that throw warm water over you before plunging you back into the ice bath.
This one was sad. The little brother couldn’t help but be who he was and this kids life seemed so tragic. What he did was unimaginable but I can’t help but feel sorry for how he was raised. Heartbreaking all around. It’s like his life was set up to fail.
it is set up,you tell me what youd call this, my sister whos dead,her mother and father used her then tossed her out with the trash at 12,i had to fight 5 cops in gastonia nc just to say goodbye to my sister
life is only to please the higher ups ,your lifes blood is for either your parents to lie and kill there own blood, whats left is belongs to your own country to use,zero is for you any thats left you must fight demons for
No, there's always choice. Boys do this more than girls even as children, so what does that tell you? More research and education should be equipping parents and children with skills to make these decisions better.
1:19:28 is so unreasonable
Comparing someone punching you once to a life full of fear of someone much stronger than you makes no sense.
Of course enduring constant abuse elicits a different reaction and stronger emotion than just a random fight at school. In his situation, he wasn't really able to fight back or go anywhere, and had to live with that fear forever not knowing if it might not get worse.
Those cops need to admit they simply cannot relate to this child. If you don't share his upbringing, you simply have no experience to pull from.
Underrated comment right here. Awesome and important point you made.
I totally agree with you Ryoushi_Akanagi
Wish I could like this comment 100 times. I left an extremely similar comment. They DESPERATELY chased a premeditated charge, and then went on to ask the question about the detective punching him as if that’s comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. I feel that interrogation was (although lowkey) SEVERELY mishandled.
Those poor cops are derelict aswell. A completely failed state. The states is becoming extremely poor, and I’m not talking about money here.
I mean they did take photos of an iron maiden cd as case evidence. They seem pretty inept
I’m so confused how it’s even legal to interview children without a legal counsel and or guardian. This kid is messed up, but i felt like these interrogators were leading a lot of the time filling in the blanks rather than leaving it open for Eldon to speak compared to other videos EWU has posted. I hope his Trial spoke about the abuse and neglect layered into his defense. His upbringing surrounded by so many weapons, and paranoia from zombies/ dooms day appears to explain his voilent decisions versus just running away or reporting problems to authorities.
It really bothers me how adamant the older brother was about there not being any neglect or abuse when there was evidence of both. This is a tough one, seems the kid was just so confused about everything.
Because if he admitted it he would have to face his own story being public and people asking why he did nothing to help his brothers
There could be a few factors as to why he wouldn’t know or he wasn’t abused. My impression is they have different moms. I say that because wouldn’t the older brother and sisters be living with dad as well, Eldon’s mom had/has here demons and doesn’t sound like a very fit parent. Also the fact that they only mention him(older brother) in passing and never really mention the sisters, only his statement about them. To me the way Samual senior tried covering up any abuse toward Eldon and his younger brother by never saying a flat “NO” that their dad wasn’t abusive, but by deflecting saying he never seen/heard any abuse and pushing it all on the mom, makes me believe there was abuse in the home and he might not have physically seen it but knew! I understand that’s his son and parents like to protect their children, but he knows what kind of person his son really was. With his parents dealing with drugs, domestic abuse, mental health(dads and now obviously his), child abuse inflected on him,neglect, abandonment issues with his mom, brother being autistic, grandpa turning a blind eye, violent video games, heavy metal with guns and knives laying around this was a recipe for disaster. Nowhere am I saying any one of these things is a reason to take a life, but when it’s all piled on you at one time and you don’t have the mindset/maturity to deal with it, there comes a breaking point.
In the 90´s the father getting custody was less than 1% Imagine how F-up the mother must have been.
I grew up with physical and mental abuse, I thought it was normal until I started talking to people and realized they would get uneasy. I begin to realize my upbringing was harsh when I was able to get outside context to compare with my life. That was when it begin to hit me and bother me about what I went through. Before when I thought it was normal treatment I accepted it as ok and that I was just weak minded.
Kid was a monster. He butchered his brother and his dad tried to protect his brother and "got" in the way and got killed himself. My heart broke as their last moments was trying to be near eachother for comfort.
I was just finishing the school shooting documentary that you guys posted in the EWU Crime Storytime channel and now this. Thanks for always producing content, no matter how disturbing the subject may be.
This kid had no chance from the start, life gave him nothing… very sad.
@@TheJjt725really? What are they supposed to do? Sit the kid down with a cup of warm coco and inform him on all of his rights? The kid just killed two people.
@@corban0the1
Actually yes a minor needs representation in an interrogation.
They took advantage of him
@@shinigami_0127 no you must not have watched the same video. Because in these circumstances he needed to request it, and frankly im not going to let you aware of laws so you can avoid responsibility. It seems like you wanted this kid to get away with murdering his brother and dad.
@@corban0the1 No it doesn't seem like it, you're just barking up the wrong tree. Saying they took advantage of him has nothing to do with wanting him to get away with his crimes.
First thing i noticed, dirty and messy house
The way the GPA calls John John but calls eldon "the other one" just goes to show that boys life!
It's so sad when a relative stated that "Eldon didn't stand a chance" as far as his childhood went. Can you really blame someone for finally snapping after years of abuse and neglect? Eldon looks malnourished, shy, but very intelligent. I really hope time and counseling will undo some of the damage but it's unlikely since his formative years were all spent under awful conditions.
This is why guns should be banned. Had he not had loaded guns and pistols these murders probably could have been stopped.
@@edwarda6923 You are an absolute 1d1ot if you think that it all happened because of the gun and not because of the horrible conditions the child went through... But hey, you are a mentally ill leftie, you dont care about the trauma of anyone, all you care about is your narrative. I bet you couldnt even watch the whole video before writing this comment.
@@edwarda6923 b...but its not the gun its the person!!!
If his father owned those guns LEGALLY, he definitely didn’t report any known mental problems or medications that could effect his judgment. If guns kill people than spoons make people fat, and pencils misspell words.
Also, do you think criminals care if guns are banned? I kinda doubt it.
I have been in a remarkelblay similar situation to Eldon. I had thought about killing my dad for years during all the abuse. I had placed weapons all around my room waiting to use them when my dad attacked me again. He did. And when I was being beaten up I was thinking about reaching and putting our family out of the misery he caused, I just accepted that murder was too grotesque of a reaction and took the beating. That night he knocked my teeth out, was arrested, and my parents divorced shortly after. I was literally his same age. fuck idk i would psot this on yt, but literally no one knows except some locked away police file. This is not extraordinary, this is happening all around us. Please just pull through and know life is better when you get through.
Im so sorry that happened to you..im glad you didn't take your fathers life! He should spend alot of time in prison! ❤ your a survivor! ❤
Same here. I did the same thing. I had a baseball bat by my bed, pillow case full of soap.. even when he was jumping on top of me with his knee in my face, I just decided that my mother didn’t need to go thru all that mess. My grandparents lived 3000 miles away, so I couldn’t go there. So I just found myself a little 1 bedroom house, packed what I could fit in my little car and left.
It baffles me how women select these men as prime mates.
@@mcpartridgeboythey’re victims too and it’s not easy to leave, trust me.
@@s_.777 you're a victim the first time it happens (or if you're a child), you become a participant when you go back after.
He’s 14 not adult for all of his wrong reasons, don’t treat him like an adult
These kids never had a chance. They were betrayed by every adult in their lives. It's incredibly sad.
Weird days when you can hear about these horrific crimes in great detail but you have to censor the word 'abusive', good job TH-cam!
You don't have to censor. You censor cuz you want to make money off of these people's misery.
OK KAREN
Makes no sense
The tears are not just from him thinking he's caught. They are for multiple reasons obviously. Poor kid just wanted to be loved and instead was abused and had no outlet for his frustrations. So he snapped. Also he needs legal representation for this interrogation. these detectives know this but decided to ignore it. This interrogation is abusive and unprofessional.
Amazing how some people can even defend such an aberration of nature a savage murderer with no empathy who just obliterated 2 innocent lives. You are bad in the brain.
Well Idaho doesn't require that so...
they keep putting words in his mouth to fit with their idea of what happened and then getting him to approve.
They didnt ignore anything, they followed the state's laws, and got a confession from a kid who blew his fathers head off and hacked up his autistic brother, after planning to kill him since he was six. Id say they did their jobs. Would you prefer he was, what, walking the streets right now? No matter what the details of his upbringing were and how unfair that is to him, it doesnt change what he is now, a person who hacked up a helpless autistic child after blowing apart his legs with a shotgun. You're out of your mind for acting like the detectives did something bad here.
@@gazzyb85yup
I love this Channel no annoying AI images for the thumbnails or nothin, its wonderful
Narrator: Elden blinks three times in ten seconds… This means he only telling 33% of the truth
😂😂😂
Eldon lets out 60 extremely small farts, making the investigating officers suspect that he might be trying to communicate his guilt in Morse code.
🤔
This comment had me rolling 😂😂😂😂
fr the narrator is so annoying.
"it was studied by a professional!"
like yeah a professional yapper
This cracked me uppp LMAOO
No 14 year old should be questioned without a lawyer or guardian. This interrogation should never have been allowed on a child who has no understanding about self incrimination.
Depends on the state. Many don't have laws requiring the presence of a parent or guardian. HOWEVER, oftentimes it's considered wise, for officials, to have one present because otherwise the minor's statements made during interrogations may be challenged or dismissed in court. So it's not illegal to interview without a parent/guardian; it's just not advisable.
dude he murdered 2 people and tried to fabricate the whole thing. multiple times. he couldve had a gaurdian present but wait he shot him in the face.
Hard to have a parent or guardian when he kinda killed them
@@enigmadrath1780 They're not commenting on the legality, but the morality. And frankly, I agree with them.
He killed 2 people, this isnt an overzealous action by authorities relax. You can be questioned without authorities & quite frankly, he doesnt have any guardians as he killed his.
The whole family is insane !!! What kind of "grandparent " laughs in this kind of murder situation ?!! So sad about the innocent brother ....... 💔
It was probably nervous laughter
no@@DS9TREK
@@DS9TREK no, it was a weird reaction...he thought the kids mother was messed up and not his chain smoking zombie killer son...
Actually, I think it's demonic.
The biggest lie the devil convinced mankind was "They Don't Exist" They do! The name of JESUS makes them flee...
The mention of Jesus, makes them tremble.
There's no way the brother wasn't insane as well in this environment. This is so dark and demonic..... and sad.
Unfair interrogation. Putting ideas and words into the kids head.
Ambien is insane. Got it prescribed for sleeplessness and the first 2 times i took it, i woke up in the middle of the night tripping hard af. Woke up from a vivid dream/hallucination of people breaking into the house and shook my girlfriend away telling her there are people in the house. The next night i woke up standing in the driveway in my boxers in the middle of the night. Never took it again
You aint lying,at first i would sleep too too long,next min im hearing ish in dead silence.
Seriously. And it seems like the word is just now getting out. I was first given it after my first deployment to Iraq in 2007 and took it off and on until like 2012. Ive taken all kinds of mental health meds and Ambien is right up there with Xanax in terms of the danger it can put people in.
My ex MIL was on ambien. She started sleepwalking, and got into her car and wrecked into a parked car in the apartment parking lot. She got off of it after that.
It is an insane medication. I was prescribed it at the beginning of the year & I was having vivid dreams, the worst one was of my deceased brother, just staring at me from the living room whenever I got up to use the bathroom & it was like I was fully aware. It haunted me for days & I threw the meds away the next day. Very scary stuff
@@chilenapromedioRU I was fresh out the psychiatric hospital so no I wasn’t on just any type of medication, just taking medication as I was prescribed who was decided by multiple doctors. It only took one bad night for me to stop taking it. Not everybody has the same reaction & considering it’s an a controlled substance I would figure that not everybody would have a similar happy go-lucky experience. Are you a doctor or someone with a pharmaceutical degree? If not then your opinion is invalid :)