33:25 this part happened and i looked down to see i was also sitting like that. i would get reckt in an interrogation. im gonna jsut ask for a laywer 100% of the time lol
I went to middle school with Eldon. Lakes Magnet Middle School in CD'A. My best buddy Terrance and I tried to befriend Eldon. We noticed how lonely he seemed and how other kids avoided him because he was quite frankly.. weird. We tried to look past the weirdness and get him out of his shell a bit. Let's just say some of the stories he had told us about his life before moving to the area was wild and seemed like an unhinged fantasy. Nonetheless Terrance and myself would eat lunch with him and hang out with him on breaks. Until one day he stopped showing up to school and we shortly found out why. It was a shock and made all the stories he told us a lot more believable. I feel bad for Eldon. He didn't stand a chance with the parents and family life he had. He was so smart too. It's a shame how everything happened really. I still think about him often. It's crazy that I see a video like this pop up in my recommended and I can actually think back to times I've actually had conversations with Eldon. Crazy stuff.
Thank you for providing more backstory and for befriending Eldon. Unfortunately, the damage was already done by his pernicious parents and continued until this tragedy.
I can't believe he went to an adult prison. That tiny little young boy that can't even speak clear normal sentences. He seems so immature. To be around grown men in a prison seems crazy. They are going to eat him alive. Also, Did the detectives ever consider that he killed his brother first? I was thinking that he killed, or was in the process of killing his brother when his dad attacked him. That is why he killed his dad. He was torn about his dad but never about his brother. He wanted to hide the fact that he killed his brother but not that he killed his dad. It was just really odd.
Damn that’s so sad to hear, can’t imagine what has been in your head for all this time. Also, was the note at 28:24 a school thing? If so how no teacher raised any type of suspicion about a 14yo kid talking about weapons that much?
Police count on people being ignorant that’s why when people refuse to speak and request council they get so frustrated because than it’s up to them to prove guilt. Police will never help you prove your innocence .
I didn't have it nearly as bad as this poor kid and I still hold some resentment towards my parents. Dad especially. I won't be doing anything like this since I don't live at home anymore but I can see how resentment, especially mixed with a likely mental illness, can explode this violently.
I remember saying I hated my father and a relative was like "Oh, you don't hate him." No, I hated him and I still do 50 years later. I don't know why people don't take emotional abuse seriously.
Children know that they are meant to be raised with love, respect, safety, and routine. Every child deserves love and safety from their caretakers. A kid who doesn't recieve that will be angry and bitter. I feel so bad for kids having to overcome abuse and neglect.
what he did is obviously extremely tragic and messed up but when they said his sister had told police "he never had a chance", that broke my heart. your environment changes everything
BS, he's an f'd in the head psychopath. He wasn't abused. Those of us who were actually abused can easily see through this little BS schtick of his. He's a selfish little prick with 10 folders worth of mental problems. 8 months between beatings sounds like a f'n resort. Please don't waste your pity on this POS. There's plenty more children who actually deserve.
He seems capable of cold blood murder and what i can only explain as a horror scene reenactment. So, sorry, but no one gives a fuck about him not understanding the intricacies of the legal system. And, isn't the truth the most important thing? The truth here is that he planned on killing his brother and his father. Then killed them both. Again, as if he tried to make it to this documentary or something. Aaaand, no remorse on top of all this. Ofcourse not. You would need empathy for remorse.
“He stares at you, and you feel like you’re in a fishbowl.” That is THE most accurate description of an abuser I’ve heard so far. This is what they mean by trust your gut; we’re not always conscious of it, but people like Eldon and Junior put you off for a reason.
Yeah that line caught me too. I've met folks who that line describes perfectly. I dont disagree with the charges, but I have no doubt there was a seriously toxic and abusive household that lead to those murders.
This is NOT a sign of an abuser. It's something troubled people do when thinking about their situation or about problem solving. The dad probably went outside I on the porch to have the freedom of thinking in a more quiet atmosphere. If unknown people wave their hand at him, might not even have been perceived by him at all when being totally focused on his thoughts about problem solving and life situation.
@@lisasternenkind6467 I know exactly what u mean.. and I bet everyone on here has been staring off in a daze some point and completely miss things going on around them and just so happen to be staring in the same direction but almost like ur eyes are blurred bc ur so caught up in thoughts and just didn’t see them waving.. and to the person waving , they think ur a weirdo with an evil gaze bc u didn’t wave back
I don't think people realize just how much work is needed for a documentary this size and with this kind of editing. Props to you guys, I hope I can get at least a fraction of your success. Well executed as usual. 👏
How is a child going to understand what their rights are?? And whether they can ask for counsel or even what counsel means. The state of Idaho is outrageous in allowing this to happen to minors, a lawyer should be made available to them straight away, to advise them, if there are no parents to be there.
It wouldn't surprise me if Eldon were on the spectrum as well, and support for him was neglected because he wasn't as high-needs as his brother. This whole story is heartbreaking.
As someone who grew up with an abusive dad, I understand him. It’s hard not to grow up with hate and resentment when you never receive any love from a parent.
I remember one day being so fed up with my abusive alcoholic mom that I stood over her bed with a knife, thinking the only way out of it was for her to be gone. I didn’t understand that I just had a couple years until I was an adult and could move out and be free. Thankfully I remembered my brother and my niece and realized that doing it would ruin their lives and traumatize them for life, I couldn’t do that to them. It was like battered woman syndrome but for a child. Now I have no contact with my mom anymore, it’s the most peaceful my life has ever been, and I see a therapist once a week. Remember, even though things may be awful right now, it has to end eventually. 2-3 years feels like forever but it really isn’t. Stay strong, it’ll be ok.
Been in a very similar situation myself when I was younger. I didn't have family worries to hold me back like you did, but unlike you I did realize that I just had to be patient and the problem would be over when I was free. I could chose to impulsively end the problem now and be stuck in prison for life (thought life was the penalty at the time) or I could wait a couple years and I could just leave. I ended up choosing to wait. Nowadays when I get intense thoughts of sewerslide due to all the stress of my life, I just remember that piece of wisdom I realized: that I just had to wait and it would pass, and everything would be okay. You just have to endure.
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Like others in this comment section, I too grew up in an abusive household. The physical abuse stopped when I turned 10, but having very unstable parents in a tiny low income home proved to be disastrous for my and my sibling’s mental health. I learned the hard way that CPS doesn’t care one bit about emotional turmoil- as long as you are being fed, and don’t have marks on you, they will happily leave you with abusive parents This feeling of being trapped and having literally no escape was so suffocating that I suffered a 5 month long psychotic break when I was 16. Near the end of this break, my body moved on its own (Extreme depersonalization), and I grabbed a fork and shoved it into my throat. I would have done anything to escape purgetory, and in that very specific moment… I was willing to. It’s hard to describe the existential crisis that came with growing up around so much chaos and suffering. But… despite it all, as a 20 year old I am the happiest person on the planet. I somehow learned that letting go of anger and pain was the best way to overcome both A saying I really connect with, “Heal before you have children, so they do not have to heal from you.”
Well in fairness often the foster care system can be just as abusive. If not far worse. So those individuals have to choose between not only taking you away from the only line of stability you have, but now paying an astronomical amount to put you into a different abusive home we’re more than likely you’re also going to have additional S abuse. Hopefully you can grow to let go of resentment and have understanding that you’re parent/parents were not mentally capable of being everything a child deserves. Possibly even learn to be grateful. By that I mean I’ve seen both types of families healthy/non-. Often the people that come from unhealthy household have a direct advantage in many ways. They don’t go into the world with the same level of naivety or being sheltered so much to the point where you’ve become useless. Ask children that came from foster parent households. Most of them as adults Will tell you that they’d rather have been in an abusive household with their families then go to the foster care system and then be abused by strangers. If you’re disappointed by how much the system already failed you imagine there being even more areas of the system you’re enveloped in? Do you think they would do an even better job? Everything the government does sucks. The more they are involved the worse it gets. I also came from a similar household. I’ve pulled myself out from the gutter in that time I’ve met multiple self-made millionaires. People who are well rounded, hard workers, emotionally resilient etc. essentially every single one came from a poor/abusive background. Whereas The overwhelming majority of those I know that came from middle/upper middle class or wealthy families rarely have these attributes refined. They grow up with a sense of entitlement/arrogance myriad into their 40s+. Best thing I can tell you is to start looking at your parent/s in a childlike manner. Or as if they have a mental health condition. I’d also suggest (if and when the time comes) Do not bother telling them you forgive them. Because there’s a fair chance you’re gonna be extremely disappointed with the reaction. It’s reasonably normal around that age to go through extreme emotional psychosis. Your hormones are all out of whack, the magnitude of life begins to come to the forefront of your mind. Anxiety/depression and even nihilism are all NORMAL -> heck I’ve known multiple individuals who came from literal perfect household. Little House on the Prairie, Rich. Perfect perfect perfect in every way, yet they still went through depression, wanted to kill them selves, went through psychosis. The whole 9. Most of this will settle down over the course of time. By 25 max your hormones will be completely evened out in the world will seem less and dreadful/overwhelming. (on your last point. Healing when done correctly shouldn’t take any more then 3yrs -> in the absolute worst case scenario) You have a certain timeline to have children. Specifically if you are a woman. And having children older is selfish. Whatever child/or even generations may have to go through is a drop in the bucket when it comes to weather your family exists in 100 years or doesn’t. I would go through a lifetime of unhappiness and sacrifice unreasonable amounts in order to have my family survive. Several hundred thousands of years instability was a norm. Death in childbirth or early infant deaths. Sickness without medical care winters without food, you name it all of those things were done generation after generation to be sure that you were here today. BILLIONS of people will still be having children regardless of what the circumstances are. Legit horrific circumstances. Yet in 100 years those families will still be here. Yet we have individuals like yourself like me and so on that are so worried about a stable environment that they’ve wiped away the opportunity to continue on legacy. And spit in the faces of our forbearers who went through unfathomable atrocities over the course of hundreds of thousands of years so that we can be here. Our families may have not done much but they made sure we were here.
CPS ironically ended up at our home for something my mother *didn't* actually do. She was super abusive both physically and emotionally, but there was a relative calm of a few months during a summer when I was twelve, and she was actually being nice to me. One night when I had a friend over CPS showed up because of a huge bruise I had on my shin. A bruise that was caused by me accidentally banging against the metal frame of my folding bed. They never got called all the other times where she had hit me outside of our house in front of all of the neighbors, or even when she would have neighborhood kids restrain me so she could hit me...WTF? I ended up being placed in foster care for about two weeks (they were really nice actually), and then on the day they were taking me to my "permanent foster home", I had no idea where I was going, but as we passed a familiar neighborhood, I had hoped that they would be close enough that I could still visit my grandparents. Then the car pulled up to my grandparents house. Stayed with them for a year, which ended up being the best year of my childhood life (straight As too), but then on the day they went to actually sign the adoption papers, they found out my grandmother had cancer, so back to the unstable home I went. My mother was no longer able to physically abuse me, but she was even more out of touch with reality than previously. I never wanted to have children, just because I didn't want to subject any of them to what I had to go through.
@@SamanthaP48You're someone I actually would like to talk to. Especially in regards to how the brain develops from 20 to 25. Among many other things. The conversation could go everywhere. Is there a way to DM privately on youtube to an email or?
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This is a heartbreaking interview, I cant imagine all the hate and anger he is holding. The innocent younger brother must have been terrified. Their parents failed them.
@@CharlieKellyEsq Indeed, but the problem of parents neglecting children still cause a slew of other problems such as a higher criminal activity. Parental abuse is still a major problem that, if fixed, can drastically lower criminal activity.
@@CharlieKellyEsq Every situation is unique. Murder is never excusable, but a young teen like that can easily be pushed to do something they don't fully understand.
I’m willing to bet this kids home life was no worse than having to take care of his autistic brother and dealing with a tough dad. His brother was autistic so Eldon probably has a touch of the tism too and that’s why he snapped and killed up the family. It’s not easy being retarded, it’s frustrating and sometimes that frustration builds up into a murder.
I hate the judgement from the wide cop. Imagine being a 14 year old in this situation, a house full of guns and knives, a demented father obsessed with zombies, no food, no care, no mother, no hope, no guidance of right and wrong and a brother with autism on top of that. Not justifying double homicide here at all, but putting myself in this kid's shoes I can feel the desperation. In that situation I guess you either try to be the man of the family and grow up way before your time or you stay a kid and react like one. Again, not saying the victims deserved this, but I don't think Eldon is some cold blooded edgy teen psycho, just a desperate young man pushed to the limit of endurance. Hell most adults would go nuts in this situation. If any judgement is warranted it's of a system and society that leaves a kid like this alone to battle through unimaginable torment on a daily basis. Where the hell were welfare services and police?
a 14 year old should not be eligible to give consent to waive his 4th Amendment rights and that cop twisted the purpose of the Miranda warnings. "I have the right to talk to you. You have the right to talk to me." that's bullshit. They need to change those warnings to say you have the right to not self-incriminate and it is advised that you only speak to the police with a lawyer present and advising you. Here's how you can tell someone "understood" their Miranda rights, they don't speak after hearing them.
Interrogating a kid without representation (especially one from an abusive relationship) should be illegal in all states. Kids are way to impressionable.
At a young age, said the judge, they should be put in a pit with wild dogs. They should be set to puzzle out from their proper clues the one of three doors that does not harbor wild lions. They should be made to run naked in the desert until… , Judge Holden.Blood Meridian
@@johnmichaels4330 you don’t understand a word children should be made to learn they would be interrogated but they shouldn’t be by cops who just pump children for information not caring about the core of the situation
Ikr? The kid already admitted that the father has abused him other times. Of course a shove/push is going to be a lot different for him than the officer.
You have to remember that they're making comments and asking questions in a way to get more information out of whoever they're interviewing. The detective 100% understands what abuse is, but his feelings don't matter right now.
@@siiighhhsif you shove somebody police class it as assault or battery when in all cases it is rather a minor thing, it's made out to be worse than it actually is
"he's more anxious than he should be" "He isn't as intimidated as (most children his age) would be" Ok so which is it because those things are pretty contradictory
The statements made by Jr’s oldest son, and father, make me think they both ignored Jr’s abuse of his children. Malnourishment and rotted teeth don’t happen overnight.
Side note: From personal experience, you don't always know where one was hit because of the stress. I didn't realize I was stabbed or stomped on till the bruising of shoe prints showed up all over my body. And the bleeding, I thought was from the fall when I was robbed. Just saying... brain will block details when enduring trauma.
That's not stress,that's called adrenaline lol And that's a major difference between military and regular civilians lol. We were trained to harness that adrenaline and use it. Wooooooooo.
agreed. i fell off a roof onto a spiked fence and only noticed my knee scratches. Didn't realize my entire thigh had been ripped open until a friend who saw it happen freaked out
It’s a terrible thing that affects your whole life took me 40 years to come to terms with it. See a doctor to help don’t deal with it yourself it was my biggest mistake but I’m good now love your children god bless
Its IDAHO USA lol- LD$/FLD$ cults "LatterDaySaints" are "Preparing the People" according to chad daybell and lori vallow. smh- Lots of cultish behaviors here! Lots of child abuse. Some people shouldnt have kids !
ALL of it. Eldon stabbed him in the back with a kitchen knife when he was six. I understand that living with an autistic kid can be unbearably difficult but John was sick and couldn't help it and I think was terrorised by Eldon all his life and very possibly the mother.
It seems no one thinks about the victims any more. This 'kid' thought about killing his brother for Years. Sometimes, there Are just mean, bad 'kids'. They just usually grow up before they start killing...
it's a relief seeing a lot of nuanced comments getting support because i honestly sympathize for eldon. to expect this 14 year old to uphold strict moral values on his own against a disturbed parent...i'm not saying murder is okay but this situation sure sucked for him and it's not hard to see that
How about this, Eldons’ dad is mentally ill, he was outside shooting zombies, his baby brother is autistic , his mom abandoned the family and Eldon lives in Hell. What a tragedy.
@@mixkulture4783 If he saw all his life that his little brother got the attention he never got. Dont you think that you will hate that person? Or maybe want to destroy whats the most valuable to the one whos admiration you want the most out of jealousy? Not saying its right, but I think that would be the motive.
As a mother of an autistic child my heart breaks hearing how his mother left because she couldn't handle him and how his brother hated him for being autistic and the challenges that brings. That poor boy was punished for something he could not help or control. So sad.
Autism is unfair for everyone. Parents , siblings. And the autistic person themself. No one seems to be trying to fix this epidemic and it's infuriating to know how many kids are struggling with severe asd. Can't judge this mother though as the rest of the home life seemed to be chaotic in general, and the autism might not be the primary reason for leaving. I will say , abandoning your child never sounds like a good thing.
@@kenw2225ngl i don't think being autistic is "bad for everyone" i mean i vaguely understand what you're trying to say, but my girlfriend had autism and she copes with it very well, however i do know everyone copes with things differently.
When he said he deserved to die because of what he did I started crying… This is a 14 year old kid… He was probably abused and neglected all his life… It doesn’t excuse what he did… but man this world is fucked up
Yeah, when you're in low-pressure situations and want to be comfortable. Not if you were innocent and felt a sense of urgency to tell the cops everything you know about the victims & suspects of a murder.
This is incredibly sad. I can't even begin to imagine how damaging and traumatic it would be for those kids living in that household. I just wish he'd not harmed his brother.
As someone who endured an abusive childhood, it’s heartbreaking how apparent Eldon’s self-loathing is. You can just see he thinks he is worth nothing at all to anyone. It hurts. I once felt that way.
Eldon snapped and kill everyone. Intrusive thoughts took over. Also brotherly hate is not rare. I always wish bad stuffs happens to my brother and it did. He died years ago because of a reckless driving under the influence of substance. Also hes the younger one. It must great to be u who never felt the hatred growing.
I don't understand how detectives expect a 14 year old to psychologically understand why he did what he did, particularly right after this horrific incident. I imagine it would take years and years of therapy for him to truly understand why he did what he did, and understand the dynamics of what sound like an extremely painful family life. I do believe his parents abused him. Look at where they were living, the malnutrition, his mom running away. This is heartbreaking.
It doesn't take therapy to understand why you'd want someone dead. Therapists are not all-knowing. They aren't psychics. They rarely lead patients to any introspection and typically look for exterior sources of blame. If he can hack his little brother apart with a machete after shooting him multiple times, he can be treated as an adult would be. His feeling don't matter. His actions do.
He needs a mental hospital not jail. All evidence should be trashed and these detectives should be fired. He is a minor and should not have been questioned without a lawyer.
That cop was being really slimy "you have the right to talk to me and I have the right to talk to you" Thats a complete misrepresentation of his rights
@@InverseCr0wn that's exactly what I was thinking a lawyer would jump all over That's why you need to do it by the book, you can get all that information and none of its admissible because they were deceptive
The detectives were slimy altogether. Desperately seeking a premeditated charge, and saying shit like “if I punched you, would you shoot me?” As if a stranger punching you is somehow comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. Kinda felt sick watching this, and I wish it was only because of the details of the crimes committed.
There’s definitely something going on with this kid as well. He’s not all there mentally. Whether it’s a mental disorder, or societal issues. He’s definitely not all there!
Idk if it’s him not being all there… I think it’s more that there is more there that should not be. He has some extra stuff in his brain that is making him dangerous. Not a lack of things. If it was just a lack of things in his brain he would be passive and docile most likely.
It really killed me inside when he talked about having and being a happy family. As someone with a somewhat abusive father (mostly verbal) and an autistic sibling i can understand the amount if mental fatigue you can experience. Luckily around the time i had enough of the dynamic at home I left to live somewhere else. Best decision I ever made.
Do you know if your brother is ok? I am a mother of a 5 year old with autism (born in 2018), and I truly understand the stress it causes, but at least in his case, his actions may not be under his control for now. So I was just wondering if he’s ok, maybe receiving some outside therapy (psychological/occupational/ABA) .
It seems like this family was known to police (and social services?) from when the boys were tiny, and yet there doesn't seem to have been much support put in to protect either boy. It's such an incredible shame, and I wonder how things would have been different for them if it had.
Proof that gubmint DGAS about any of us except for taxes we pay to keep funding their existence . CPS by the way in most states is involved in child trafficking
Bro, my best friend lived in a trailer where his bed was falling through the floor onto the dirt and he had to sleep woth jackets on in the winter. Social services would always notify his mother before they came so she had time to clean and make sure everything looked fine. CPS is worthless.
My mom worked with the father through a veterans housing and recourses clinic. I remember the day this happened, she came home sobbing. I’d never seen her cry like that.
If you have a 14 year old that has free access to weapons YOU are the problem. Not to mention the torture it looks like they put this kid through. Sad all around
Why The boys weren't taken away from the parents way before this incident is absolutely mind-blowing. He even said that he called the police and said his dad was under the influence trying to drive and everything. System failed this boy many times over And it's just as responsible as the Father, mother, and grandfather.
The system often does more harm than good. A cultural change is the only way to fix this, a culture focused on families. The system is not an answer and anyone that has been through it will tell you so.
@@jacobmeis1249 No. The people who got into a good home would tell you different. More good people need to become foster parents, period. A lot of mom's stay at home with the kids anyways, so why not earn a wage while she does. That's how we change this.
As a 17 year old with a severely autistic twin brother, I definitely understand his jealousy of his brother on a personal level. I felt that way when I was little, too, but of course nowhere near the point of wanting to hurt him. I eventually grew out of it, and I’m closer to him than ever even though he can’t talk. Autistic and disabled children deserve so much better, don't make it worse for them. ❤
This is really uplifting to hear. I was undiagnosed until I was sixteen and I can’t imagine what dealing with my constant overstimulation was like for my younger brother… I hope you and your brother continue to have a great relationship. 💜
Yeah but he wasn;t just jealous though. He was completely self-absorbed, as he proved with his story about wanting all the candy for himself because that's "good."
Working with kids and going to school for Early Childhood care and Edu, it's more than understandable that a child's mind is developing and not developed and so much what goes on in their solo universe effect's them entirely, so killing is a different point of view. Their emotions are unhinged and by far it's really primal even without reason and unaccountability. It's scary on how dangerous our minds can get and feels more dangerous with kids, as it feels there is no responsibility, empathy and emotions. Kids truly can be pure evil and those without realizing it or understanding it (or both) Everyone has a threshold, but certainly you cannot presume to know anyone, even the ones you live with because it's what they don't say is what anyone should be worried for. As a kid I didn't even know how to express myself and I'm a full fledge adult now and STILL learning. (You never stop learning ^.^) That's what is frightening of our species.
Honestly him killing his brother js tells me he wanted to kill for a while bro really killed his brother with a machete that’s like hella bad and messsed up
when i was his age it was a lot easier to focus my frustration on my younger siblings than it was to understand all the ways my parents were failing us through neglect and verbal abuse. i'm so grateful we didnt have guns in the house. i worry how many kids are close to doing what this kid did. hope they make it through.
My sister has told me if we had had a gun she would've done it. And I get it. Back then it seemed like it would never end. I would've killed myself, she would've killed us. Abuse and neglect destroy humanity. It's no excuse for murder, nothing is. I do however hope Eldon gets the help he needs and isn't made to suffer more than he already has. He's dangerous, sure, but he never got a chance at a decent life.
Anyone else think it's kind of ridiculous that we censor the words "Abuse" "Sex" and "Rape" but are totally fine with graphic descriptions of a kid killing his brother with a machete?
@@chilenapromedioRU you do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to analyze these cases and make a proper documentary with facts and useful information. So hell yeah he better get paid for it! Hours and hours of editing and studying to make his videos. If he were simply uploading interrogations without any input then your strong response would make more sense.
Violence is censored more in Europe, and sex is censored less. This would seem to be the way it should be if you had to choose one or the other to be censored. Of course, America has it a$$-backwards. Just like everything else. We love to see the blood and guts fly, but by-golly how offended we get just saying the WORDS to describe sex.
TH-cam automatically attempts to detect objectionable material in the video (both video and audio) and will automatically de-monetize the upload or even the channel for violations (although this is not enforced fairly) So yes the censorship is dumb but so is the blanket policy of demonetizing everything with questionable content.
I feel bad for everyone involved. But when they said the ANGRIEST that his brother made him, was eating his OWN candy bar when his dad would get him one too … I am just … not understanding in the slightest.
What are you not understanding? He's a psycho. I have no idea why everyone feels bad for this kid. He murdered his little brother, not his parents. This isn't a case of snapping because of abuse.
I've been interested in these kinds of cases for a long time so I've seen many of these police interrogations/interviews before, but I tend to end up watching them again on your channel because you edit in other footage that makes the story more clear.
@@alishacenteno8770 he said "i never saw it, i don't think so",,,and when the cops said they heard it did happen, he said "oh, well maybe i should rethink that" ...he never out-right denied it.
I cried when he said, “We would’ve been a happy family.” What a horrible tragedy. Those poor boys, with no guidance, no loving mother around, no protective father… So sad.
hard to feel bad for anyone who could do what he did to a disabled little kid. some people were only put here to fill a grave and this kid has already done more of his share than that.
@stevenunyabidness Hard to feel sad, huh? His crazy father has weapons all over the house and trains his son to prepare for a zombie apocalypse while living in filth and being evicted constantly because he puts drugs and madness above taking care of his kids? Someone doesn't do an act like Eldon did without being pushed far beyond what any human should ever have to endure. And after 2 years in prison he feels BETTER than he has ever felt before, which tells you how brutal his home life was. Eldon was as much as a victim as any of the three.
@@cartoonloon8 no eldon wasnt as much as a victim as john under the bed getting shot at by multiple guns, then his brother stabs and hacks at his limbs and head. For his father I dont really care. But you are an absolute idiot for thinking the child with a DISABILITY, WENT THROUGH THE SAME NEGLECT AND HOUSEHOLD AS HIS BROTHER, AND ALSO DIED FROM HIS BROTHER is comparable
Please kids if you’re feeling like hurting someone or yourself please understand that there is help!!!! Call a family member, child services or the damn police if you or your siblings are not safe!!! Don’t listen to anyone telling you there is no chance!!!
I think at the end Eldon said _"I wanna go back to California"_ in a wistful way, knowing deep down that wasn't going to happen. He clearly misses his mother deeply. He's also a minor who was questioned for hours without the presence of a parent, a supportive adult or legal counsel after a traumatic episode. You can see towards the end he is exhausted and has shut down, repeatedly giving "yeah" as an answer. Also the impoverishment, poor living situation (run down emergency shelter), the obvious neglect (Eldon is very underweight for his age), the absence of his mother and the stress of having a profoundly disabled brother had all clearly taken a toll. Eldon's father's history of drug use, his mental state, his obsession with an impending zombie apocalypse, the presence of unsecured guns and weapons and his Zolpidem habit are also deeply relevant. Have you seen someone who is addicted to Zolpidem and takes large doses regularly? I have. It can cause lowered inhibitions, agression, confusion, strange behaviour, kleptomania and amnesia. These behaviours would be very scary for a child to see in their sole caregiver. This is proven as Eldon had called the police on his father for this reason before, something he would not do lightly due to his belief it would anger his father. None of this is to defend what Eldon did. What he did was truly heinous and inexcusable, especially in regards to his little brother. But context is important and I believe this event was the result of a lifetime of neglect, abuse and pressure that exploded that night. His father pushing him was just the straw that broke the camel's back. A very sad story for every person involved.
Honestly I think there were 3 monsters in that interrogation room. The suspect was an idiot kid who did a horrible thing and should be punished for it. The two coppers knew exactly what they were doing, knowing exactly what they could do to not deny him his rights, but make it as hard as possible for him to know he should be exercising them. I wish this channel would do similar videos about people who ended up being totally innocent. The coppers behaviour is easy to justify when the suspect is actually guilty, I’d love to see all clever analysis and the praise for “good” police work getting a confession when the suspect turns out to be totally innocent and has just been railroaded into a confession
I used to have that same look on my face as a teen. My step-dad humiliated me and beat the hell out of me for years and years. The funny thing is he really didn't understand that he was the reason I was depressed and doing drugs. This is happening in so many households. Its insane how many children are abused and molested on a daily basis. The fact the we ignore it as a society is even worse
Sorry you had to go through that, when a parent is supposed to be your foray into building trust with people. Absolutely reprehensible that it's such a common occurrence. Glad you, presumably, got away without becoming a sociopathic murderer.
I’m so sorry that your stepfather did that to you. I’m sure it was even worse than what you were so bravely able to share. I hope that you are away from him now. I hope you’re living well, at peace and you are truly happy. 💞 Furthermore, I hope you realize, no matter what you did, or did not do, it is not your fault! No one has the right to put their hands on a child or humiliate anyone, especially when it’s usually only to make the abuser feel better.
My stepdad was also a horribly abusing prick. I'm grateful I only had to see him every other weekend....his poor sons though...they took a lot of abuse.
It took me ten years of drug addiction to finally realize my upbringing were the reason why I was so lost and on drugs. I'm now 3 years clean of opiates.
You could tell just looking at Eldon's face and body posture that he has had a hard life. Aged him. It's very sad. I can't believe his older sister, brother, mother and grandfather never noticed or cared enough to do more for Eldon & Jonathan. I hope when Eldon gets out, he has a better life.
My brother and I were adopted, lots of terrible things happened yo the both of us as children. My adoptive mother is a saint. She saved me from being a violent criminal im certain of that. She made sure I had tons of therapy and resources. I used to completely black out with severely violent anger and physically attack. They used to need to run around and lock all the doors to keep me out. With her help I have gotten the resources to deal with my anger before it gets there. The amount of love, care, and resources she provided helped me become a caring empathetic human being. I think that youth intervention is so important. I feel bad for Eldon. I could've been him if i didnt have love too. Its terrible what hes done dont get me wrong
I am amazed by the fact that throughout the interrogation - and apparently also during the trial - the strangeness of a house full of weapons of all sorts and this father's obsession with a zombie apocalypse is practically never taken into consideration. An autistic child and another slightly older child left in the hands of an obviously deranged person? Are we really surprised if things have taken a disastrous turn? The whole thing is an absolute tragedy, but the real blame lies behind it.
absolutely - but in so many of these cases it's just the cops apportioning blame. And you see it in the comments. Lots of judgement, very little awareness of situations behind these tragedies. We ignore them at the peril to society.
@@AmmoPackI’ve seen parents who believed far worse, doesn’t mean these guys’ delusional parent isn’t delusional. The fact of the matter is that his parental figures were not only bad people, or acted badly, they also were seemingly distant from their children. Don’t allow your judgment to be so impaired, fellow. Sometimes, when comparing the Empire State Building to the burj khalifi, it’s okay to still call the Empire State Building tall.
This kid never had a chance. In my opinion. He didn't know how to process all of the pain and loss of his Mom. His brother couldn't help he was autistic. Both parents let these boys down. He snapped. My heart hurts for these children. I hope he gets some help. Thank you for covering this. I appreciate the hard work this channel does.
The system let this people down. Starting with the housing issues, following with the mental health problems and adding guns into the mix. America is a decadent empire.
it's almost always like that when kids kill. No one with a good upbringing would even think of it. I always feel bad for them even though they're murderers. They're killers but not evil.
@@gpolenikincorrect, the Columbine kids were from loving middle class homes. That's just one example. Elliott Roger is another. There are plenty of kids who are raised well who do this kind of thing, don't kid yourself.
He born into a family full of problems, because of that at 14 yo ended up in prison serving 40 year sentence. By the time is over (54 years old) he will have no opportunities in life, a ruined family, no friends or any emotional support and he will not have the opportunity to get a way of living. If I feel anxious about my life, don't want to imagine how badly his mind is going to end. The life that some have to go through is very sad.
"I can't tell if it's my heart racing, or his" just chills, I can't even begin to comprehend what the offices go through, it's just horrific listening, can't imagine actually having to be there EWU is definitely the best at these analysis and gives a good understanding to these videos!
It always hits later. When there is a shooting, your adrenaline is up to full, you don’t know if the shooter is still there. Our body is amazing, with the way it handles circumstances. The officers will feel it later. They don’t get enough respect. Especially the homicide and sex crimes units.
@billyyank5807 yes but let's not make excuses for utter disrespect. Such as laughing at someone's death. Call it what you want, but that's beyond disrespectful.
I mean, if a 14 year old was talking about all this major trauma with two police it's amazing he can speak at all. Putting his foot under his body or rubbing his chin seems more normal than malicious..
Right, I hate how demonized and scrutinized this poor kid's actions or choice of words are. He just went through the most traumatic event of his life, of course he isn't going to be clear headed.
I never seen someone need a lawyer like this kid. The detectives keep trying to nail him for pre-meditation. The last half of the interview is just trying to put pre-meditation in there. They don't care about getting to the truth. the kids is totally traumatised. I see a lot of anxiety and trauma and he seems genuinely upset. I don't think he has processed what's happened yet. The remorse will come. He's not very fast mentally.
It looks to me like he was self conscious of his feet as they probably weren't groomed. The first thing he asked for when they were taking a break was shoes. He probably felt exposed, and that's why he was curling them
This channel is 70% bootlicking and propping up psudo science. These videos would be 30 minutes if the producer didnt have to throw out his judgement every 10 seconds smh. just like a cop
@eric28 this channel does lean heavy into extremely abstract behavior analysis matter of factly. It's annoying af. But even that isn't as bad as the bootlicking.
While the story is sad I don't think this kid should have been tried as an adult. Putting a 14 year old boy in an adult prison pretty much ensures that this messed up kid is going to returning to society as an even more messed up adult.
His son and grandson are dead and his other grandson is accused and he is laughing and smiling. “No he didn’t yell at Johnny, he would yell at the other one”. That is an awesome grandfather
I saw that too. It even stood out to me that he called Eldon, "the other one". That grandfather was very disconnected with his family from what it sounds like. Makes me wonder what kind of parent he was to the father of these two boys thar possibly led to the father of the boys being as messed up as he was.
“I can’t tell if it’s my heart pumping or his” the way the cop wanted to break down but buckled up and did his job. So much respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle a scene like that
Same! It's tragic & break's my heart...A terrible situation all around.The crazy parents the autistic child, guns & SO MANY knives -weapons everywhere!!! And these amazing officers that do this nearly impossible job😰
That poor kid, he must have bullied the crap out of him, his statement about him being mad because Jonathan didn't gave his candy to him left me in disbelief
@@TheJjt725really? What are they supposed to do? Sit the kid down with a cup of warm coco and inform him on all of his rights? The kid just killed two people.
@@shinigami_0127 no you must not have watched the same video. Because in these circumstances he needed to request it, and frankly im not going to let you aware of laws so you can avoid responsibility. It seems like you wanted this kid to get away with murdering his brother and dad.
@@corbano9679 No it doesn't seem like it, you're just barking up the wrong tree. Saying they took advantage of him has nothing to do with wanting him to get away with his crimes.
Idk why you , and a lot of other ppl saying poor Eldon, bro still a lil psychopath,so we just forget he brutally murdered his lil brother,a lot of kids were abused we don’t turn into murders
There's so much more to this story, before and after. I just commented... This is such a tiny view of the overall story. And I completely agree with you...
'Self incriminate?' I think the evidence pretty much did the job there. Someone has to do the job of getting the puss out, and they did it without aggression.
So children can't legally enter into a contract , they can't make decisions for themselves on anything. Except give up their rights to an attorney before questioning. They is such a crock of shit.
how can we expect a child who's surrounded by guns and knives and machetes and has only known abuse and neglect, to not use them to retaliate against what he perceived as the threat to himself
What can we expect from a compulsive liar? Blame the mother who left him, the father who allegedly abused him, the brother who dared to eat his own candy instead of handing it over to him... 🧐 I don't believe one single word he says.
That Miranda warning was about as clear as molasses "I have the right to talk to you and you have the right to talk to me." I've never heard it explained that way before. A half decent defense attorney would probably have a field day with what was said.
Well this is an effing travesty. I think I’m more angry than I have so far been watching these videos. This kid, as well as the brother, never had a snowball’s chance in hell. Worthless, dogsh*t parents. The system failed these kids, they had no business in such an environment. No wonder he ended up doing something so monstrous. And it’s sickening the poor (as opposed to rich) kids are never given lawyers. Any minor should automatically be given some form of guardian or lawyer in these situations, idc what they did. It’s gross seeing cops question children, even the guilty ones. It just feels wrong. Oh and we can’t use the word “abuse” now??? Are y’all kidding me?????
When you grow up in an abusive & neglectful home like that, it makes you think insane things sometimes. I've had to genuinely think about killing my own father in self defense, but thankfully its never actually come to that. Hearing cases like this breaks my fucking heart. It really does. A child should never have to feel like the only way out is for someone to die. I hope Eldon gets the help he needs one day. RIP to Johnathan as well. He deserved better. They both did. Also the sister's statement of "he never had a chance"...chills. She nailed it. I hope the family can recover from this tragedy.
I once had to walk away from my dad while he was scolding me from the sofa. I was standing behind him with a paring knife in my hand (I was cooking when he called me into have a go). He called something like a "little whore" and I had a fleeting image of planting that knife right in the top of his dome.
@@chaddad1488My heart breaks for Jonathan and what Eldon _could’ve_ been in a loving, healthy household, not who he is now or what he did. Why you or anyone else feel bad for *their* abusive father, I have no idea. Not all victims deserve to be missed or cried for. He gets no empathy from me. 🤷♀️
@@j_g9109 Boo hoo daddy was mean, and what's the excuse for why he killed Jonathan? Who cares what his excuse was, there's no good reason to kill your family that isn't self-defense.
@@chaddad1488clearly you didn't grow up in an abusive home. It's literal psychological and physical torture day in and day out but if you tell anyone it will only get worse. Knowing you'll have to suffer that for years and years. Then there's a way out, that being murder. An immature, undeveloped child will take that way out rather than suffer at the hands of a monster. I don't condone his actions, but saying that the dad was completely innocent in this is just weaponized ignorance. I think it's horrible and unforgivable that he would kill Justin, but you can't act like abuse is innocent.
1:19:25: BIG missing point here is; Dad had weapons laying around LOADED. That creates INSANE fear. I totally can see (being an abused kid myself) how a parent pushing one HARD could create TREMENDOUS fear of being hurt. And it provokes me SO MUCH that they try and make this weird "If i pushed you, you wouldn't feel the need to shoot me" No?? cause he is not threatened by you like that. He keeps saying "dad was on his medication. He thought there was zombies" don't you get how terrifying that would be to experience? I totally get how he would feel like the dad was dangerous.
@@aarona5839 "Kid is crazy that's it" is sometimes true, but not with this kid. It's obvious his home situation was weird and f.cked up. It doesn't rectify his actions, but bad nurture can do unimaginable things to a person
15 years totally sentence… Horrendous for children to be brought up in this environment, but listening to Anthony’s interrogation, putting aside what he did to his father, he tortured his little autistic brother, threatening, bullying and stabbing him in the years prior to killing him in a depraved manner. Scheduled for release in 2029…
Fr. People keep saying they feel bad for him, but he took an innocent life for no reason. His upbringing was horrible, yes, but so was the little brother's. He didn't deserve his life to end so prematurely. I think 15 years is fair enough...
We don’t know what dad did in his stupors. Often there is one “golden child” and one “scapegoat”. They are pitted against each other which can cause resentment.
Lmfao everything is a red flag to this guy. “He is sitting perfectly still and answering the question directly and on time..this is obviously a case of high deception” 😂
As someone who got the hell beat out of me by my father before he faced consequences - Being ragged dolled around, busted noses, bruises all over your six year old body- let me tell you. It messes you up. I wouldn’t call this kid a monster. The system failed them. Edit for those in the back who can’t deduce messages without it being flatly spelled out for them - I’m not saying the kids innocent of the crimes he committed, rather that it’s a tragedy he was broken so mentally in that home that the incident even occurred. Obviously he can’t be redeemed now, but if the system had acted quicker to help him, this could have been prevented. His actions are monstrous, but he himself if not one. If that’s STILL not enough read the thread, someone else has probably already said the exact same thing you are thinking and I have already provided a response.
He blew his little brothers legs off with a shotgun trying to get him out from under a bed he was hiding under after he watched this monster murder his father. This monster then proceeded to hack him to death with a machete. 30 times. He absolutely butchered that child. Count 30 swings, imagine the screams, the blood... You still think he isnt a monster?
@@stevepalpatine2828 No. I think his mind snapped after years of abuse and neglect and he took it out on what he perceived as the source of his situation. It doesn't make it right but right and wrong aren't totally clear to a 14 year old that's been abused and neglected his entire life. I fully think society failed everyone involved.
@richardmoore609 I think he should get the electric chair. He hacked a kid up, blew his legs off with a shotgun, stabbed him 14 times and then hacked him to death with a machete purely because the kid was autistic and annoying. Bleeding hearts are the reason this world is so messed up. Won't someone please think of the psychopathic killer who turned his little brother into chunks of quivering meat. If he gets out it's likely his poor mind will snap again the next time someone annoys him. This shit is unforgivable. He didn't just shoot his dad after his dad abused him. He went Cartel style on an autistic child whose only crime was being annoying and not wanting to get out from under a bed after he saw this abomination murder his father. This wasn't a moment of rage bro. This was a prolonged, brutal, and sadistic attack that lasted minutes. Do me a favor count how many times 14 stabs and 30 swings with a machete are. Hit a pillow or something. Now imagine that's a child begging for his life. You really think this goblin isn't a monster? Give me a break.
@@richardmoore609 If you think "society" is somehow responsible for what this kid did to his autistic little brother, then you need as much help as he does.
From his childish perspective, though deeply flawed, he squarely blamed his brother's autism as the root of all his family issues. He believes without his brother, his mom might still be around and his father wouldn't have so many problems. He's embarrassed by his brother's public behavior. His reasoning, while selfish, stems purely from hatred towards his brother's autism, which he couldn't bear any longer.
Notice how the interviewer scratched his wrist, a sign that his wrist was itchy.
They’re called detectives not articulatives, these cops are dolts
Mind blown 🤯
Notice when he got up
Yea he was leaving the room
notice how there was food on the table, but there was no candle on the table?
33:25 this part happened and i looked down to see i was also sitting like that. i would get reckt in an interrogation. im gonna jsut ask for a laywer 100% of the time lol
I went to middle school with Eldon. Lakes Magnet Middle School in CD'A. My best buddy Terrance and I tried to befriend Eldon. We noticed how lonely he seemed and how other kids avoided him because he was quite frankly.. weird. We tried to look past the weirdness and get him out of his shell a bit. Let's just say some of the stories he had told us about his life before moving to the area was wild and seemed like an unhinged fantasy. Nonetheless Terrance and myself would eat lunch with him and hang out with him on breaks. Until one day he stopped showing up to school and we shortly found out why. It was a shock and made all the stories he told us a lot more believable. I feel bad for Eldon. He didn't stand a chance with the parents and family life he had. He was so smart too. It's a shame how everything happened really. I still think about him often. It's crazy that I see a video like this pop up in my recommended and I can actually think back to times I've actually had conversations with Eldon. Crazy stuff.
Wow that is crazy. He probably was telling you the truth. I am half way in and I feel bad for him.
Always gotta be that person claim they knew the killer. Cut the crap kiddo eldon never knew u and vice versa! Carry on now
Thank you for providing more backstory and for befriending Eldon. Unfortunately, the damage was already done by his pernicious parents and continued until this tragedy.
I can't believe he went to an adult prison. That tiny little young boy that can't even speak clear normal sentences. He seems so immature. To be around grown men in a prison seems crazy. They are going to eat him alive.
Also, Did the detectives ever consider that he killed his brother first? I was thinking that he killed, or was in the process of killing his brother when his dad attacked him. That is why he killed his dad. He was torn about his dad but never about his brother. He wanted to hide the fact that he killed his brother but not that he killed his dad. It was just really odd.
Damn that’s so sad to hear, can’t imagine what has been in your head for all this time. Also, was the note at 28:24 a school thing? If so how no teacher raised any type of suspicion about a 14yo kid talking about weapons that much?
He said “you have the right to talk to me”…instead of you have the right to remain silent. 😂
Messed up
He does have a right to talk and also to not talk it’s a diversion strategy to get criminals to incriminate themselves.
Police count on people being ignorant that’s why when people refuse to speak and request council they get so frustrated because than it’s up to them to prove guilt. Police will never help you prove your innocence .
He’s 14!! Total case of coercion 😮
Cop is a manipulative mofo. He might as well be sitting on the other side.
The detectives keep thinking eldon is lying but a lot of times it seems like he just doesnt understand the wording of the questions.
Coming from someone that grew up in an abusive home, there's a very real resentment a kid can feel towards his family.
Right? I'm 45 and still working on letting go smh for my own sanity and well being
I didn't have it nearly as bad as this poor kid and I still hold some resentment towards my parents. Dad especially. I won't be doing anything like this since I don't live at home anymore but I can see how resentment, especially mixed with a likely mental illness, can explode this violently.
I remember saying I hated my father and a relative was like "Oh, you don't hate him." No, I hated him and I still do 50 years later. I don't know why people don't take emotional abuse seriously.
Children know that they are meant to be raised with love, respect, safety, and routine. Every child deserves love and safety from their caretakers. A kid who doesn't recieve that will be angry and bitter. I feel so bad for kids having to overcome abuse and neglect.
Enough to kill your little brother? Shot him , stab him and hack at his body? That much
what he did is obviously extremely tragic and messed up but when they said his sister had told police "he never had a chance", that broke my heart. your environment changes everything
My cousin Ronnie "never had a chance" though he was an introvert and took his own life 😢!
im sorry to hear, hopes all well regarding your situation, as well as one could be.@@michellemarini5128
Sad
All of this and cousin Ronnie
BS, he's an f'd in the head psychopath. He wasn't abused. Those of us who were actually abused can easily see through this little BS schtick of his. He's a selfish little prick with 10 folders worth of mental problems. 8 months between beatings sounds like a f'n resort. Please don't waste your pity on this POS. There's plenty more children who actually deserve.
@@CSDonohue11poor cousin Ronnie
Every single adult in these kids' lives failed them in every conceivable way. I feel so sorry for all of them.
He’s 14 there’s no way he knows his rights about being questioned or needing a attorney
He seems capable of cold blood murder and what i can only explain as a horror scene reenactment. So, sorry, but no one gives a fuck about him not understanding the intricacies of the legal system. And, isn't the truth the most important thing? The truth here is that he planned on killing his brother and his father. Then killed them both. Again, as if he tried to make it to this documentary or something. Aaaand, no remorse on top of all this. Ofcourse not. You would need empathy for remorse.
hes about to be out.
@@300mare funny you speak about empathy and yet that’s what you seem to be lacking
@@300mare thank you
as a 14 year old, believe me he knows.
“He stares at you, and you feel like you’re in a fishbowl.” That is THE most accurate description of an abuser I’ve heard so far. This is what they mean by trust your gut; we’re not always conscious of it, but people like Eldon and Junior put you off for a reason.
Yeah that line caught me too. I've met folks who that line describes perfectly. I dont disagree with the charges, but I have no doubt there was a seriously toxic and abusive household that lead to those murders.
This is NOT a sign of an abuser. It's something troubled people do when thinking about their situation or about problem solving. The dad probably went outside I on the porch to have the freedom of thinking in a more quiet atmosphere. If unknown people wave their hand at him, might not even have been perceived by him at all when being totally focused on his thoughts about problem solving and life situation.
A lot of abusers are very charasmatic people
@@lisasternenkind6467 I know exactly what u mean.. and I bet everyone on here has been staring off in a daze some point and completely miss things going on around them and just so happen to be staring in the same direction but almost like ur eyes are blurred bc ur so caught up in thoughts and just didn’t see them waving.. and to the person waving , they think ur a weirdo with an evil gaze bc u didn’t wave back
Staring at someone isn’t illegal. How you choose to call it doesn’t make it illegal either.
I don't think people realize just how much work is needed for a documentary this size and with this kind of editing. Props to you guys, I hope I can get at least a fraction of your success. Well executed as usual. 👏
Yeah we know it's not done with a magic wand. A well executed video and channel will be rewarded
Very grateful for every video, incredible work beginning to end. Thanks guys!!
You figure an hour + video is days and days of work.
Yeah this is EWU, I believe em to be up there with the best in the business
you have a cool channel also 😊
The narrator says, “his continued eye blocking”… he is crying and wiping the tears from his face!
After he started crying yeah… but before he was doing what I do and just acting anxious……..
How is a child going to understand what their rights are?? And whether they can ask for counsel or even what counsel means. The state of Idaho is outrageous in allowing this to happen to minors, a lawyer should be made available to them straight away, to advise them, if there are no parents to be there.
It wouldn't surprise me if Eldon were on the spectrum as well, and support for him was neglected because he wasn't as high-needs as his brother. This whole story is heartbreaking.
The father too. It seems they all may have been on the spectrum
He sounds like he is on the spectrum. So sad.
Not everyone is ADHD and autistic
ADHD and autism are genetic so it gets passed through families
@@Damned_afterall Not necessarily-- they're highly heritable, but not all cases are genetic.
I really feel for kids who have been abused all their lives and live in broken homes. No kids should have to suffer
True. Neither did his younger brother who he brutally murdered.
Yeah true but that doesn't mean go murder your family.
Plus people over come hardships in life but that doesn't mean go murder people.
He murdered his brother because he hated him not because of abuse you demon
@@mic47013it depends on the personal traits. Some people after abuse will punish others and some people will punish themselves.
As someone who grew up with an abusive dad, I understand him. It’s hard not to grow up with hate and resentment when you never receive any love from a parent.
Once again, you guys are awesome for adding subtitles! I know it must’ve taken a while but I appreciate it a lot
I remember one day being so fed up with my abusive alcoholic mom that I stood over her bed with a knife, thinking the only way out of it was for her to be gone. I didn’t understand that I just had a couple years until I was an adult and could move out and be free. Thankfully I remembered my brother and my niece and realized that doing it would ruin their lives and traumatize them for life, I couldn’t do that to them. It was like battered woman syndrome but for a child. Now I have no contact with my mom anymore, it’s the most peaceful my life has ever been, and I see a therapist once a week. Remember, even though things may be awful right now, it has to end eventually. 2-3 years feels like forever but it really isn’t. Stay strong, it’ll be ok.
Been in a very similar situation myself when I was younger. I didn't have family worries to hold me back like you did, but unlike you I did realize that I just had to be patient and the problem would be over when I was free. I could chose to impulsively end the problem now and be stuck in prison for life (thought life was the penalty at the time) or I could wait a couple years and I could just leave. I ended up choosing to wait. Nowadays when I get intense thoughts of sewerslide due to all the stress of my life, I just remember that piece of wisdom I realized: that I just had to wait and it would pass, and everything would be okay. You just have to endure.
Bra you need to be arrested
@@traylynhayes6166right like wtf
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Crazy ass
when the guy sitting across from me in the waiting room crosses his leg..."he just shifted into a barrier position, what's that motherfucker hiding"
😭😭😭😭😭😭same🫣🤔😭😭
That's not always the case, though. I got a bad back, crossing my legs sometimes helps to relieve the pain a little.
Bro same, I do this just to get comfortable and the narrator thinks its a huge indicator that hes being deceptive
Lol
I cross my legs to get comfortable at home.
The narrator: This guy definitely kills people for a living.
The detectives don't seem qualified to question a suspect of this age
'Like I said' does not mean someone is lying. It means they already said a thing and then they are going to say it again.
i say it all the time because 90% of the people i talk to dont actually listen to people talking to i gotta remind them lol
Like others in this comment section, I too grew up in an abusive household. The physical abuse stopped when I turned 10, but having very unstable parents in a tiny low income home proved to be disastrous for my and my sibling’s mental health. I learned the hard way that CPS doesn’t care one bit about emotional turmoil- as long as you are being fed, and don’t have marks on you, they will happily leave you with abusive parents
This feeling of being trapped and having literally no escape was so suffocating that I suffered a 5 month long psychotic break when I was 16. Near the end of this break, my body moved on its own (Extreme depersonalization), and I grabbed a fork and shoved it into my throat. I would have done anything to escape purgetory, and in that very specific moment… I was willing to. It’s hard to describe the existential crisis that came with growing up around so much chaos and suffering. But… despite it all, as a 20 year old I am the happiest person on the planet. I somehow learned that letting go of anger and pain was the best way to overcome both
A saying I really connect with, “Heal before you have children, so they do not have to heal from you.”
Well in fairness often the foster care system can be just as abusive. If not far worse. So those individuals have to choose between not only taking you away from the only line of stability you have, but now paying an astronomical amount to put you into a different abusive home we’re more than likely you’re also going to have additional S abuse.
Hopefully you can grow to let go of resentment and have understanding that you’re parent/parents were not mentally capable of being everything a child deserves. Possibly even learn to be grateful. By that I mean I’ve seen both types of families healthy/non-. Often the people that come from unhealthy household have a direct advantage in many ways. They don’t go into the world with the same level of naivety or being sheltered so much to the point where you’ve become useless.
Ask children that came from foster parent households. Most of them as adults Will tell you that they’d rather have been in an abusive household with their families then go to the foster care system and then be abused by strangers. If you’re disappointed by how much the system already failed you imagine there being even more areas of the system you’re enveloped in? Do you think they would do an even better job? Everything the government does sucks. The more they are involved the worse it gets.
I also came from a similar household. I’ve pulled myself out from the gutter in that time I’ve met multiple self-made millionaires. People who are well rounded, hard workers, emotionally resilient etc. essentially every single one came from a poor/abusive background. Whereas The overwhelming majority of those I know that came from middle/upper middle class or wealthy families rarely have these attributes refined. They grow up with a sense of entitlement/arrogance myriad into their 40s+.
Best thing I can tell you is to start looking at your parent/s in a childlike manner. Or as if they have a mental health condition. I’d also suggest (if and when the time comes) Do not bother telling them you forgive them. Because there’s a fair chance you’re gonna be extremely disappointed with the reaction.
It’s reasonably normal around that age to go through extreme emotional psychosis. Your hormones are all out of whack, the magnitude of life begins to come to the forefront of your mind. Anxiety/depression and even nihilism are all NORMAL -> heck I’ve known multiple individuals who came from literal perfect household. Little House on the Prairie, Rich. Perfect perfect perfect in every way, yet they still went through depression, wanted to kill them selves, went through psychosis. The whole 9. Most of this will settle down over the course of time. By 25 max your hormones will be completely evened out in the world will seem less and dreadful/overwhelming.
(on your last point. Healing when done correctly shouldn’t take any more then 3yrs -> in the absolute worst case scenario) You have a certain timeline to have children. Specifically if you are a woman. And having children older is selfish. Whatever child/or even generations may have to go through is a drop in the bucket when it comes to weather your family exists in 100 years or doesn’t. I would go through a lifetime of unhappiness and sacrifice unreasonable amounts in order to have my family survive.
Several hundred thousands of years instability was a norm. Death in childbirth or early infant deaths. Sickness without medical care winters without food, you name it all of those things were done generation after generation to be sure that you were here today. BILLIONS of people will still be having children regardless of what the circumstances are. Legit horrific circumstances. Yet in 100 years those families will still be here.
Yet we have individuals like yourself like me and so on that are so worried about a stable environment that they’ve wiped away the opportunity to continue on legacy. And spit in the faces of our forbearers who went through unfathomable atrocities over the course of hundreds of thousands of years so that we can be here. Our families may have not done much but they made sure we were here.
I wish you all the best things possible in life! ❤❤❤
CPS ironically ended up at our home for something my mother *didn't* actually do. She was super abusive both physically and emotionally, but there was a relative calm of a few months during a summer when I was twelve, and she was actually being nice to me. One night when I had a friend over CPS showed up because of a huge bruise I had on my shin. A bruise that was caused by me accidentally banging against the metal frame of my folding bed. They never got called all the other times where she had hit me outside of our house in front of all of the neighbors, or even when she would have neighborhood kids restrain me so she could hit me...WTF?
I ended up being placed in foster care for about two weeks (they were really nice actually), and then on the day they were taking me to my "permanent foster home", I had no idea where I was going, but as we passed a familiar neighborhood, I had hoped that they would be close enough that I could still visit my grandparents. Then the car pulled up to my grandparents house.
Stayed with them for a year, which ended up being the best year of my childhood life (straight As too), but then on the day they went to actually sign the adoption papers, they found out my grandmother had cancer, so back to the unstable home I went. My mother was no longer able to physically abuse me, but she was even more out of touch with reality than previously.
I never wanted to have children, just because I didn't want to subject any of them to what I had to go through.
@@SamanthaP48You're someone I actually would like to talk to. Especially in regards to how the brain develops from 20 to 25. Among many other things. The conversation could go everywhere. Is there a way to DM privately on youtube to an email or?
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This is a heartbreaking interview, I cant imagine all the hate and anger he is holding. The innocent younger brother must have been terrified. Their parents failed them.
@@CharlieKellyEsq Indeed, but the problem of parents neglecting children still cause a slew of other problems such as a higher criminal activity. Parental abuse is still a major problem that, if fixed, can drastically lower criminal activity.
@@CharlieKellyEsq Yes, I agree
@@harrylarry6324 It for sure played a huge role in this situation.
@@CharlieKellyEsq Every situation is unique. Murder is never excusable, but a young teen like that can easily be pushed to do something they don't fully understand.
I’m willing to bet this kids home life was no worse than having to take care of his autistic brother and dealing with a tough dad. His brother was autistic so Eldon probably has a touch of the tism too and that’s why he snapped and killed up the family. It’s not easy being retarded, it’s frustrating and sometimes that frustration builds up into a murder.
I hate the judgement from the wide cop. Imagine being a 14 year old in this situation, a house full of guns and knives, a demented father obsessed with zombies, no food, no care, no mother, no hope, no guidance of right and wrong and a brother with autism on top of that. Not justifying double homicide here at all, but putting myself in this kid's shoes I can feel the desperation. In that situation I guess you either try to be the man of the family and grow up way before your time or you stay a kid and react like one. Again, not saying the victims deserved this, but I don't think Eldon is some cold blooded edgy teen psycho, just a desperate young man pushed to the limit of endurance. Hell most adults would go nuts in this situation. If any judgement is warranted it's of a system and society that leaves a kid like this alone to battle through unimaginable torment on a daily basis. Where the hell were welfare services and police?
how do you know hes not lying about his father .i think he killed his brother he hated and was jealous of and his dad was trying to save the brother
a 14 year old should not be eligible to give consent to waive his 4th Amendment rights and that cop twisted the purpose of the Miranda warnings. "I have the right to talk to you. You have the right to talk to me." that's bullshit. They need to change those warnings to say you have the right to not self-incriminate and it is advised that you only speak to the police with a lawyer present and advising you. Here's how you can tell someone "understood" their Miranda rights, they don't speak after hearing them.
Interrogating a kid without representation (especially one from an abusive relationship) should be illegal in all states. Kids are way to impressionable.
At a young age, said the judge, they should be put in a pit with wild dogs. They should be set to puzzle out from their proper clues the one of three doors that does not harbor wild lions. They should be made to run naked in the desert until… , Judge Holden.Blood Meridian
@@brendanjoyce645 ok..... thanks psycho.
@@johnmichaels4330 you don’t understand a word children should be made to learn they would be interrogated but they shouldn’t be by cops who just pump children for information not caring about the core of the situation
@@brendanjoyce645Why are you quoting Judge Holden?
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The officer asking, ‘you know how many times my dad pushed me when I was kid’ was belittling.
Ikr? The kid already admitted that the father has abused him other times. Of course a shove/push is going to be a lot different for him than the officer.
@@siiighhhs he’s like oh you were pushed a couple times what’s the big deal? Obviously he doesn’t understand being abused.
You have to remember that they're making comments and asking questions in a way to get more information out of whoever they're interviewing. The detective 100% understands what abuse is, but his feelings don't matter right now.
@@siiighhhsif you shove somebody police class it as assault or battery when in all cases it is rather a minor thing, it's made out to be worse than it actually is
@revienknight1164 he really doesn't understand and his tactics are shit.
"he's more anxious than he should be"
"He isn't as intimidated as (most children his age) would be"
Ok so which is it because those things are pretty contradictory
It's related to the situation so idk what you mean what's the time in the video that it was contradictory
Bro be waffling a lot
Anxious and intimidated are 2 completely different things 😂😂😂😂
@@alienmagino really we all though it was the same exact thing ever you’re the smartest cookie in the whole world
@@penguiren the op thought it was, thats why i replied to him and not you, clown
Shouldn’t be allowed to speak with that kid without a lawyer.
The statements made by Jr’s oldest son, and father, make me think they both ignored Jr’s abuse of his children. Malnourishment and rotted teeth don’t happen overnight.
Side note: From personal experience, you don't always know where one was hit because of the stress. I didn't realize I was stabbed or stomped on till the bruising of shoe prints showed up all over my body. And the bleeding, I thought was from the fall when I was robbed. Just saying... brain will block details when enduring trauma.
Yeah i remember hitting a solid wall when fighting, didnt realise it until i noticed a piece of skin on it
That's not stress,that's called adrenaline lol
And that's a major difference between military and regular civilians lol. We were trained to harness that adrenaline and use it. Wooooooooo.
agreed. i fell off a roof onto a spiked fence and only noticed my knee scratches. Didn't realize my entire thigh had been ripped open until a friend who saw it happen freaked out
extremely valid point!!
also, i hope you’re doing well!
@@billyyank5807 no training can prepare you for the real thing.
Narrator: Elden blinks three times in ten seconds… This means he only telling 33% of the truth
😂😂😂
Eldon lets out 60 extremely small farts, making the investigating officers suspect that he might be trying to communicate his guilt in Morse code.
🤔
All specifics to this case aside.. there's no way a minor should be allowed to be interviewed by the police without a lawyer present.
To everyone who went through childhood trauma, you have my deepest sympathy.. I Couldn't imagine!
Thank you for those words. I'm glad there are those who cannot! ❤️🙏💞
It’s a terrible thing that affects your whole life took me 40 years to come to terms with it. See a doctor to help don’t deal with it yourself it was my biggest mistake but I’m good now love your children god bless
Its IDAHO USA lol- LD$/FLD$ cults "LatterDaySaints" are "Preparing the People" according to chad daybell and lori vallow. smh- Lots of cultish behaviors here! Lots of child abuse. Some people shouldnt have kids !
Been through that as a child I still go through the trauma but I stayed true to myself my heart is good I didn't go crazy like him mental.
Thank you for your kind words.
Feel very sorry for the youngest,can’t imagine how much of his short life was filled with fear.
ALL of it. Eldon stabbed him in the back with a kitchen knife when he was six. I understand that living with an autistic kid can be unbearably difficult but John was sick and couldn't help it and I think was terrorised by Eldon all his life and very possibly the mother.
and dad@@CityThatCannotBeCaptured
It seems no one thinks about the victims any more. This 'kid' thought about killing his brother for Years.
Sometimes, there Are just mean, bad 'kids'. They just usually grow up before they start killing...
@@Melanie-zm4xtno kid is born mean or violent or it’s taught nd learned in the environment and influences around them
@@quanguy8624 yeah,and you dream on. There Are Mean Kids.
Go to a state syco.ward...
it's a relief seeing a lot of nuanced comments getting support because i honestly sympathize for eldon. to expect this 14 year old to uphold strict moral values on his own against a disturbed parent...i'm not saying murder is okay but this situation sure sucked for him and it's not hard to see that
Notice how, When eldon moves his mouth, He is going through a everyday thing, called Speaking 😲😯
How about this, Eldons’ dad is mentally ill, he was outside shooting zombies, his baby brother is autistic , his mom abandoned the family and Eldon lives in Hell. What a tragedy.
So he decides to murder his baby brother
@@mixkulture4783 If he saw all his life that his little brother got the attention he never got. Dont you think that you will hate that person? Or maybe want to destroy whats the most valuable to the one whos admiration you want the most out of jealousy? Not saying its right, but I think that would be the motive.
Yet only one of them was a murderer...
As a mother of an autistic child my heart breaks hearing how his mother left because she couldn't handle him and how his brother hated him for being autistic and the challenges that brings. That poor boy was punished for something he could not help or control. So sad.
Autism is unfair for everyone. Parents , siblings. And the autistic person themself. No one seems to be trying to fix this epidemic and it's infuriating to know how many kids are struggling with severe asd. Can't judge this mother though as the rest of the home life seemed to be chaotic in general, and the autism might not be the primary reason for leaving. I will say , abandoning your child never sounds like a good thing.
@@kenw2225Epidemic???? Autism has always been here. People just did not diagnose it and put the people away in the sanitariums or asylums. ✌
@@kenw2225ngl i don't think being autistic is "bad for everyone" i mean i vaguely understand what you're trying to say, but my girlfriend had autism and she copes with it very well, however i do know everyone copes with things differently.
@@sbntikthey didn't say "bad" they said "unfair" two totally different words
@@kenw2225 it absolutely isn't. The idea that family members are suffering because of an autistic kid is, fairly, offensive.
When he said he deserved to die because of what he did I started crying… This is a 14 year old kid… He was probably abused and neglected all his life… It doesn’t excuse what he did… but man this world is fucked up
The “barrier” position is how I sit everywhere. Id be screwed even as an innocent. 😂
Same. Its just a comfortable way to sit.
Yeah, when you're in low-pressure situations and want to be comfortable. Not if you were innocent and felt a sense of urgency to tell the cops everything you know about the victims & suspects of a murder.
Easy solution:
"I want a lawyer.
I invoke my right to remain silent."
No lawyer has ever said "I sure am glad my client talked to the police"
This is incredibly sad. I can't even begin to imagine how damaging and traumatic it would be for those kids living in that household. I just wish he'd not harmed his brother.
As someone who endured an abusive childhood, it’s heartbreaking how apparent Eldon’s self-loathing is. You can just see he thinks he is worth nothing at all to anyone. It hurts. I once felt that way.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143😊
Imagine living in a time where grown adults put this madness on a child 😭💔. Zombie Apocalypse INDEED 😲🤯💔😭🫣
Eldon snapped and kill everyone. Intrusive thoughts took over. Also brotherly hate is not rare. I always wish bad stuffs happens to my brother and it did. He died years ago because of a reckless driving under the influence of substance. Also hes the younger one. It must great to be u who never felt the hatred growing.
@@allisonoconnor8055 Do you think it has stopped? It hasn’t.
I don't understand how detectives expect a 14 year old to psychologically understand why he did what he did, particularly right after this horrific incident. I imagine it would take years and years of therapy for him to truly understand why he did what he did, and understand the dynamics of what sound like an extremely painful family life. I do believe his parents abused him. Look at where they were living, the malnutrition, his mom running away. This is heartbreaking.
That isnt the point of the questioning, how many years have you done detective work?
well he said his dad was physically abusing him but the only thing in confusion would be him killing his younger brother
@@romansbottom True. Rage, resentment, blame are the words that come to my mind.
It doesn't take therapy to understand why you'd want someone dead. Therapists are not all-knowing. They aren't psychics. They rarely lead patients to any introspection and typically look for exterior sources of blame.
If he can hack his little brother apart with a machete after shooting him multiple times, he can be treated as an adult would be. His feeling don't matter. His actions do.
They don’t really care. They’re just trying to entrap him. It’s always about revenge for them. Not about helping anyone. Not even the victims.
He needs a mental hospital not jail. All evidence should be trashed and these detectives should be fired. He is a minor and should not have been questioned without a lawyer.
its legal in idaho...pay attention
Why is abuse bleeped out? It sure seems stupid.
That cop was being really slimy "you have the right to talk to me and I have the right to talk to you"
Thats a complete misrepresentation of his rights
Yeah. Not to defend him but the interrogation seems wrong, that's how it is though I guess and why you never talk to them guilty or innocent.
They actually used and addressed this during the trial and appeal.
@@InverseCr0wn that's exactly what I was thinking a lawyer would jump all over
That's why you need to do it by the book, you can get all that information and none of its admissible because they were deceptive
The detectives were slimy altogether. Desperately seeking a premeditated charge, and saying shit like “if I punched you, would you shoot me?” As if a stranger punching you is somehow comparable to years and years of neglect and abuse. Kinda felt sick watching this, and I wish it was only because of the details of the crimes committed.
@@BonyHawksToeSkater some people say the cops are wrong no matter what.
There’s definitely something going on with this kid as well. He’s not all there mentally. Whether it’s a mental disorder, or societal issues. He’s definitely not all there!
Absolutely, and no doubt the neglect he endured played a role, as well.
Mental issues come from childhood trauma
Idk if it’s him not being all there… I think it’s more that there is more there that should not be. He has some extra stuff in his brain that is making him dangerous. Not a lack of things. If it was just a lack of things in his brain he would be passive and docile most likely.
In counseling one particular youth on the Autism Spectrum, talking to him was like pulling teeth. It took forever to get information to help him.
@@bayoutown1990 does this kid show signs of being on the spectrum?
I like how you specifically put an evidence photo of an iron maiden CD like that is evidence towards being a psycho
this guy talks crap
Pretty wild that the word abusive has to be censored on TH-cam
It really killed me inside when he talked about having and being a happy family. As someone with a somewhat abusive father (mostly verbal) and an autistic sibling i can understand the amount if mental fatigue you can experience. Luckily around the time i had enough of the dynamic at home I left to live somewhere else. Best decision I ever made.
Me too I had to leave young . The abuse by my parents to my brother and myself was to much.
Do you know if your brother is ok? I am a mother of a 5 year old with autism (born in 2018), and I truly understand the stress it causes, but at least in his case, his actions may not be under his control for now. So I was just wondering if he’s ok, maybe receiving some outside therapy (psychological/occupational/ABA) .
Glad you chose to save yourself, best to you in continued healing. ❤️🙏💞
Good for You
I very glad you were able to have another opportunity for a better situation
Can only imagine if you didn’t have any other options.
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It seems like this family was known to police (and social services?) from when the boys were tiny, and yet there doesn't seem to have been much support put in to protect either boy. It's such an incredible shame, and I wonder how things would have been different for them if it had.
Proof that gubmint DGAS about any of us except for taxes we pay to keep funding their existence . CPS by the way in most states is involved in child trafficking
Usually nothing is or can be done until some terrible crap goes down. We need more services for abused children.
Bro, my best friend lived in a trailer where his bed was falling through the floor onto the dirt and he had to sleep woth jackets on in the winter. Social services would always notify his mother before they came so she had time to clean and make sure everything looked fine. CPS is worthless.
@@knack8284 that's sort of my point. Often organisations like that are really underfunded so they just don't do much.
@@5050TM I doubt that he was abused as a child . Most likely the father reacted on mean things that older brother did to the younger .
My mom worked with the father through a veterans housing and recourses clinic. I remember the day this happened, she came home sobbing. I’d never seen her cry like that.
If you have a 14 year old that has free access to weapons YOU are the problem. Not to mention the torture it looks like they put this kid through. Sad all around
Why The boys weren't taken away from the parents way before this incident is absolutely mind-blowing. He even said that he called the police and said his dad was under the influence trying to drive and everything. System failed this boy many times over And it's just as responsible as the Father, mother, and grandfather.
The system often does more harm than good. A cultural change is the only way to fix this, a culture focused on families. The system is not an answer and anyone that has been through it will tell you so.
There's not enough foster homes. People want to raise their own children, not someone elses. It sucks.
@@jacobmeis1249 No. The people who got into a good home would tell you different. More good people need to become foster parents, period. A lot of mom's stay at home with the kids anyways, so why not earn a wage while she does. That's how we change this.
Obviously you have little experience with the children of foster care or you are making your income off of this.
@@hotcrazycatladyme168
They were living in an Emergency shelter... the dad was clearly a deadbeat
As a 17 year old with a severely autistic twin brother, I definitely understand his jealousy of his brother on a personal level. I felt that way when I was little, too, but of course nowhere near the point of wanting to hurt him. I eventually grew out of it, and I’m closer to him than ever even though he can’t talk. Autistic and disabled children deserve so much better, don't make it worse for them. ❤
I'm autistic unfortunately i was diagnosed in the 1970's without my knowledge i wasn't told until i was 36
This is really uplifting to hear. I was undiagnosed until I was sixteen and I can’t imagine what dealing with my constant overstimulation was like for my younger brother… I hope you and your brother continue to have a great relationship. 💜
As somebody who is named exactly him and is autistic, I now have an irrational fear of this happening.
Yeah but he wasn;t just jealous though. He was completely self-absorbed, as he proved with his story about wanting all the candy for himself because that's "good."
Working with kids and going to school for Early Childhood care and Edu, it's more than understandable that a child's mind is developing and not developed and so much what goes on in their solo universe effect's them entirely, so killing is a different point of view. Their emotions are unhinged and by far it's really primal even without reason and unaccountability.
It's scary on how dangerous our minds can get and feels more dangerous with kids, as it feels there is no responsibility, empathy and emotions.
Kids truly can be pure evil and those without realizing it or understanding it (or both)
Everyone has a threshold, but certainly you cannot presume to know anyone, even the ones you live with because it's what they don't say is what anyone should be worried for.
As a kid I didn't even know how to express myself and I'm a full fledge adult now and STILL learning. (You never stop learning ^.^)
That's what is frightening of our species.
Honestly him killing his brother js tells me he wanted to kill for a while bro really killed his brother with a machete that’s like hella bad and messsed up
That zombie mug is SICK
when i was his age it was a lot easier to focus my frustration on my younger siblings than it was to understand all the ways my parents were failing us through neglect and verbal abuse. i'm so grateful we didnt have guns in the house. i worry how many kids are close to doing what this kid did. hope they make it through.
:hugs: I hope you have found some safety and peace
It’s scary to think about how this situation is more likely going on right now with a different child and it’s family, if not worse
Crazy thumnail
My sister has told me if we had had a gun she would've done it. And I get it. Back then it seemed like it would never end. I would've killed myself, she would've killed us.
Abuse and neglect destroy humanity. It's no excuse for murder, nothing is. I do however hope Eldon gets the help he needs and isn't made to suffer more than he already has. He's dangerous, sure, but he never got a chance at a decent life.
guns are not the problem per see.... knives and even rocks or bricks can be used to kill
Anyone else think it's kind of ridiculous that we censor the words "Abuse" "Sex" and "Rape" but are totally fine with graphic descriptions of a kid killing his brother with a machete?
@@chilenapromedioRU you know that's just so they can't get sued, right? these videos are insanely useful for future lawyers.
@@chilenapromedioRU you do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to analyze these cases and make a proper documentary with facts and useful information. So hell yeah he better get paid for it! Hours and hours of editing and studying to make his videos. If he were simply uploading interrogations without any input then your strong response would make more sense.
Violence is censored more in Europe, and sex is censored less. This would seem to be the way it should be if you had to choose one or the other to be censored. Of course, America has it a$$-backwards. Just like everything else. We love to see the blood and guts fly, but by-golly how offended we get just saying the WORDS to describe sex.
@@chilenapromedioRU Why watch them then if you don't agree?
TH-cam automatically attempts to detect objectionable material in the video (both video and audio) and will automatically de-monetize the upload or even the channel for violations (although this is not enforced fairly)
So yes the censorship is dumb but so is the blanket policy of demonetizing everything with questionable content.
I feel bad for everyone involved. But when they said the ANGRIEST that his brother made him, was eating his OWN candy bar when his dad would get him one too … I am just … not understanding in the slightest.
What are you not understanding? He's a psycho. I have no idea why everyone feels bad for this kid. He murdered his little brother, not his parents. This isn't a case of snapping because of abuse.
his a severely damaged child... that should have been used in court to show how truly badly he was broken
I've been interested in these kinds of cases for a long time so I've seen many of these police interrogations/interviews before, but I tend to end up watching them again on your channel because you edit in other footage that makes the story more clear.
The fact that Anthony can just blatantly deny the evidence while he had been lucky enough to not live with his dad is wild to me.
@@alishacenteno8770 he said "i never saw it, i don't think so",,,and when the cops said they heard it did happen, he said "oh, well maybe i should rethink that" ...he never out-right denied it.
@@diox8tonythat was the grandfather, Anthony was the half brother
I cried when he said, “We would’ve been a happy family.” What a horrible tragedy. Those poor boys, with no guidance, no loving mother around, no protective father… So sad.
hard to feel bad for anyone who could do what he did to a disabled little kid. some people were only put here to fill a grave and this kid has already done more of his share than that.
@stevenunyabidness Hard to feel sad, huh? His crazy father has weapons all over the house and trains his son to prepare for a zombie apocalypse while living in filth and being evicted constantly because he puts drugs and madness above taking care of his kids? Someone doesn't do an act like Eldon did without being pushed far beyond what any human should ever have to endure. And after 2 years in prison he feels BETTER than he has ever felt before, which tells you how brutal his home life was. Eldon was as much as a victim as any of the three.
@@cartoonloon8 no eldon wasnt as much as a victim as john under the bed getting shot at by multiple guns, then his brother stabs and hacks at his limbs and head. For his father I dont really care. But you are an absolute idiot for thinking the child with a DISABILITY, WENT THROUGH THE SAME NEGLECT AND HOUSEHOLD AS HIS BROTHER, AND ALSO DIED FROM HIS BROTHER is comparable
Wake up! You must be evil also to relate.
@jillthemuderer
Please kids if you’re feeling like hurting someone or yourself please understand that there is help!!!! Call a family member, child services or the damn police if you or your siblings are not safe!!! Don’t listen to anyone telling you there is no chance!!!
If you got 3 eldon's in ur family, you know its gonna be a crazy time bruh
I think at the end Eldon said _"I wanna go back to California"_ in a wistful way, knowing deep down that wasn't going to happen. He clearly misses his mother deeply.
He's also a minor who was questioned for hours without the presence of a parent, a supportive adult or legal counsel after a traumatic episode. You can see towards the end he is exhausted and has shut down, repeatedly giving "yeah" as an answer.
Also the impoverishment, poor living situation (run down emergency shelter), the obvious neglect (Eldon is very underweight for his age), the absence of his mother and the stress of having a profoundly disabled brother had all clearly taken a toll.
Eldon's father's history of drug use, his mental state, his obsession with an impending zombie apocalypse, the presence of unsecured guns and weapons and his Zolpidem habit are also deeply relevant.
Have you seen someone who is addicted to Zolpidem and takes large doses regularly? I have. It can cause lowered inhibitions, agression, confusion, strange behaviour, kleptomania and amnesia. These behaviours would be very scary for a child to see in their sole caregiver. This is proven as Eldon had called the police on his father for this reason before, something he would not do lightly due to his belief it would anger his father.
None of this is to defend what Eldon did. What he did was truly heinous and inexcusable, especially in regards to his little brother. But context is important and I believe this event was the result of a lifetime of neglect, abuse and pressure that exploded that night. His father pushing him was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
A very sad story for every person involved.
This kid is pure evil 👿!!
Elden do nothing wrong! He was liberating himself from a horrible situation, he was a child, he didn’t know better!
@@knightmarecx2069 he killed his disabled little brother???
@@marcellplaceres8724 am still crying 😢 that innocent angel
Honestly I think there were 3 monsters in that interrogation room. The suspect was an idiot kid who did a horrible thing and should be punished for it. The two coppers knew exactly what they were doing, knowing exactly what they could do to not deny him his rights, but make it as hard as possible for him to know he should be exercising them.
I wish this channel would do similar videos about people who ended up being totally innocent. The coppers behaviour is easy to justify when the suspect is actually guilty, I’d love to see all clever analysis and the praise for “good” police work getting a confession when the suspect turns out to be totally innocent and has just been railroaded into a confession
I used to have that same look on my face as a teen. My step-dad humiliated me and beat the hell out of me for years and years. The funny thing is he really didn't understand that he was the reason I was depressed and doing drugs. This is happening in so many households. Its insane how many children are abused and molested on a daily basis. The fact the we ignore it as a society is even worse
I'm sorry ik what it's like
Sorry you had to go through that, when a parent is supposed to be your foray into building trust with people. Absolutely reprehensible that it's such a common occurrence.
Glad you, presumably, got away without becoming a sociopathic murderer.
I’m so sorry that your stepfather did that to you. I’m sure it was even worse than what you were so bravely able to share. I hope that you are away from him now. I hope you’re living well, at peace and you are truly happy. 💞
Furthermore, I hope you realize, no matter what you did, or did not do, it is not your fault! No one has the right to put their hands on a child or humiliate anyone, especially when it’s usually only to make the abuser feel better.
My stepdad was also a horribly abusing prick. I'm grateful I only had to see him every other weekend....his poor sons though...they took a lot of abuse.
It took me ten years of drug addiction to finally realize my upbringing were the reason why I was so lost and on drugs. I'm now 3 years clean of opiates.
You could tell just looking at Eldon's face and body posture that he has had a hard life. Aged him. It's very sad. I can't believe his older sister, brother, mother and grandfather never noticed or cared enough to do more for Eldon & Jonathan. I hope when Eldon gets out, he has a better life.
My brother and I were adopted, lots of terrible things happened yo the both of us as children. My adoptive mother is a saint. She saved me from being a violent criminal im certain of that. She made sure I had tons of therapy and resources. I used to completely black out with severely violent anger and physically attack. They used to need to run around and lock all the doors to keep me out. With her help I have gotten the resources to deal with my anger before it gets there. The amount of love, care, and resources she provided helped me become a caring empathetic human being. I think that youth intervention is so important. I feel bad for Eldon. I could've been him if i didnt have love too. Its terrible what hes done dont get me wrong
I am amazed by the fact that throughout the interrogation - and apparently also during the trial - the strangeness of a house full of weapons of all sorts and this father's obsession with a zombie apocalypse is practically never taken into consideration. An autistic child and another slightly older child left in the hands of an obviously deranged person? Are we really surprised if things have taken a disastrous turn? The whole thing is an absolute tragedy, but the real blame lies behind it.
Amen
i’ve heard of more wild things than believing in zombies lol i don’t think that’s a valid point.
absolutely - but in so many of these cases it's just the cops apportioning blame. And you see it in the comments. Lots of judgement, very little awareness of situations behind these tragedies. We ignore them at the peril to society.
@@AmmoPackI’ve seen parents who believed far worse, doesn’t mean these guys’ delusional parent isn’t delusional. The fact of the matter is that his parental figures were not only bad people, or acted badly, they also were seemingly distant from their children. Don’t allow your judgment to be so impaired, fellow. Sometimes, when comparing the Empire State Building to the burj khalifi, it’s okay to still call the Empire State Building tall.
A house full of weapons is a person's choice to arm themselves. That's not an indication of much. The belief in the zombie apocalypse tho? 💀😭
This kid never had a chance. In my opinion. He didn't know how to process all of the pain and loss of his Mom. His brother couldn't help he was autistic. Both parents let these boys down. He snapped. My heart hurts for these children. I hope he gets some help. Thank you for covering this. I appreciate the hard work this channel does.
@@lindacoats5347 I hear you Linda. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
The system let this people down. Starting with the housing issues, following with the mental health problems and adding guns into the mix. America is a decadent empire.
And he got sent to an adult prison as a young teenager. Idk what the solution is but it sure ain't that.
it's almost always like that when kids kill. No one with a good upbringing would even think of it. I always feel bad for them even though they're murderers. They're killers but not evil.
@@gpolenikincorrect, the Columbine kids were from loving middle class homes. That's just one example. Elliott Roger is another. There are plenty of kids who are raised well who do this kind of thing, don't kid yourself.
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He born into a family full of problems, because of that at 14 yo ended up in prison serving 40 year sentence. By the time is over (54 years old) he will have no opportunities in life, a ruined family, no friends or any emotional support and he will not have the opportunity to get a way of living. If I feel anxious about my life, don't want to imagine how badly his mind is going to end. The life that some have to go through is very sad.
It is concurrent so he got just 20 years fixed plus maybe another 5 years.
"I can't tell if it's my heart racing, or his" just chills, I can't even begin to comprehend what the offices go through, it's just horrific listening, can't imagine actually having to be there
EWU is definitely the best at these analysis and gives a good understanding to these videos!
You learn to block things out. That's why we get videos of cops laughing at things. Because it's a coping mechanism as twisted as it is.
he will be out in 5 years , with all the abuse in prison, i wonder who is next?
It always hits later. When there is a shooting, your adrenaline is up to full, you don’t know if the shooter is still there.
Our body is amazing, with the way it handles circumstances. The officers will feel it later.
They don’t get enough respect. Especially the homicide and sex crimes units.
The way he calmly said it
@billyyank5807 yes but let's not make excuses for utter disrespect. Such as laughing at someone's death. Call it what you want, but that's beyond disrespectful.
I mean, if a 14 year old was talking about all this major trauma with two police it's amazing he can speak at all. Putting his foot under his body or rubbing his chin seems more normal than malicious..
Right, I hate how demonized and scrutinized this poor kid's actions or choice of words are. He just went through the most traumatic event of his life, of course he isn't going to be clear headed.
I never seen someone need a lawyer like this kid. The detectives keep trying to nail him for pre-meditation. The last half of the interview is just trying to put pre-meditation in there. They don't care about getting to the truth. the kids is totally traumatised. I see a lot of anxiety and trauma and he seems genuinely upset. I don't think he has processed what's happened yet. The remorse will come. He's not very fast mentally.
It looks to me like he was self conscious of his feet as they probably weren't groomed. The first thing he asked for when they were taking a break was shoes. He probably felt exposed, and that's why he was curling them
This channel is 70% bootlicking and propping up psudo science. These videos would be 30 minutes if the producer didnt have to throw out his judgement every 10 seconds smh. just like a cop
@eric28 this channel does lean heavy into extremely abstract behavior analysis matter of factly. It's annoying af. But even that isn't as bad as the bootlicking.
While the story is sad I don't think this kid should have been tried as an adult. Putting a 14 year old boy in an adult prison pretty much ensures that this messed up kid is going to returning to society as an even more messed up adult.
I lived a mile away from where this happened. I've never seen it covered before.
His son and grandson are dead and his other grandson is accused and he is laughing and smiling. “No he didn’t yell at Johnny, he would yell at the other one”. That is an awesome grandfather
I saw that too. It even stood out to me that he called Eldon, "the other one". That grandfather was very disconnected with his family from what it sounds like. Makes me wonder what kind of parent he was to the father of these two boys thar possibly led to the father of the boys being as messed up as he was.
“I can’t tell if it’s my heart pumping or his” the way the cop wanted to break down but buckled up and did his job. So much respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle a scene like that
hahaha some pig was too stupid to perform a basic medical exam and this lady wants to praise him for it lmao
I thought the same thing. Tragic all around
Same! It's tragic & break's my heart...A terrible situation all around.The crazy parents the autistic child, guns & SO MANY knives -weapons everywhere!!!
And these amazing officers that do this nearly impossible job😰
He didn't wanna break down, it's a body response it's normal and routine officers are badass they put their life on the line daily for little pay
@@tomdrum1394don't blame guns, ppl can be killed by anything if someone was killed by a lamp would you blame the lamp .....😒
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I might have felt for him. But how he did his brother is unforgivable. And unjustifiable.
That poor kid, he must have bullied the crap out of him, his statement about him being mad because Jonathan didn't gave his candy to him left me in disbelief
you wont get it until you been eldon.
nd thank your parents u wont ever understand
"I can't tell if it's my heart racing or his." really hit me for some reason.
Me too
Yeah they seemed so calm when talking like they have done this a million times but it was scary for them
This kid had no chance from the start, life gave him nothing… very sad.
on top of it all, the detectives know very well he is naive of his rights... and took advantage of a kid. pathetic police work.
@@TheJjt725really? What are they supposed to do? Sit the kid down with a cup of warm coco and inform him on all of his rights? The kid just killed two people.
@@corbano9679
Actually yes a minor needs representation in an interrogation.
They took advantage of him
@@shinigami_0127 no you must not have watched the same video. Because in these circumstances he needed to request it, and frankly im not going to let you aware of laws so you can avoid responsibility. It seems like you wanted this kid to get away with murdering his brother and dad.
@@corbano9679 No it doesn't seem like it, you're just barking up the wrong tree. Saying they took advantage of him has nothing to do with wanting him to get away with his crimes.
Those neighbors are annoying af
Poor Eldon... This is so sad and tragic.. Eldon seems like he could and still has the spirit of a really good kid
Idk why you , and a lot of other ppl saying poor Eldon, bro still a lil psychopath,so we just forget he brutally murdered his lil brother,a lot of kids were abused we don’t turn into murders
Both of these children deserved so much better, my heart breaks for them both.
Yeah😢
He'll be out on the streets in just 5 years -2029
Regardless if he’s guilty or not. It’s fairly gross they’re allowed to coerce a child with obvious mental issues to possibly self incriminate.
They just let him talk
There's so much more to this story, before and after. I just commented...
This is such a tiny view of the overall story. And I completely agree with you...
absolute, shame on them
@@jonah.donohuethe same way a baby would drown in a tub if you just let it swim
'Self incriminate?' I think the evidence pretty much did the job there. Someone has to do the job of getting the puss out, and they did it without aggression.
So children can't legally enter into a contract , they can't make decisions for themselves on anything. Except give up their rights to an attorney before questioning. They is such a crock of shit.
Notice how he shakes his head side to side, usually indicating that they do not agree with a statement or telling someone "no".
how can we expect a child who's surrounded by guns and knives and machetes and has only known abuse and neglect, to not use them to retaliate against what he perceived as the threat to himself
What can we expect from a compulsive liar? Blame the mother who left him, the father who allegedly abused him, the brother who dared to eat his own candy instead of handing it over to him... 🧐
I don't believe one single word he says.
Well, then you have a very bad read on human psychology my friend :p.. but it's ok, hopefully watching these videos helps you improve it!@@verabolton
how was jonathan a threat?
Exactly and well said. It takes a village.
@@nickacelvn Oh, another one to blame!
🤦♀
That Miranda warning was about as clear as molasses "I have the right to talk to you and you have the right to talk to me." I've never heard it explained that way before. A half decent defense attorney would probably have a field day with what was said.
oh you're totally right, that completely excuses him from murdering people
Yeah, the way they phrased that might make the entire interrogation thrown out as unlawful.
@@DerplingusThe-II Lol Not too bright are you, Sport? You COMPLETELY missed the point of what I said.
@@xyz7572 It very well could.
@@dextermorgan1 doesn't matter at all what you said, you're trying to defend a murderer, you're no better than they are
"He then inhaled air within the room and opened his mouth which indicated to police that he was about to speak"
right my nigga like give it a break🤣
Well this is an effing travesty. I think I’m more angry than I have so far been watching these videos. This kid, as well as the brother, never had a snowball’s chance in hell. Worthless, dogsh*t parents. The system failed these kids, they had no business in such an environment. No wonder he ended up doing something so monstrous. And it’s sickening the poor (as opposed to rich) kids are never given lawyers. Any minor should automatically be given some form of guardian or lawyer in these situations, idc what they did. It’s gross seeing cops question children, even the guilty ones. It just feels wrong. Oh and we can’t use the word “abuse” now??? Are y’all kidding me?????
When you grow up in an abusive & neglectful home like that, it makes you think insane things sometimes. I've had to genuinely think about killing my own father in self defense, but thankfully its never actually come to that. Hearing cases like this breaks my fucking heart. It really does. A child should never have to feel like the only way out is for someone to die. I hope Eldon gets the help he needs one day. RIP to Johnathan as well. He deserved better. They both did. Also the sister's statement of "he never had a chance"...chills. She nailed it. I hope the family can recover from this tragedy.
Feel bad for Jonathan and his father, the real victims, not that monster. Skewed priorities man, jeez.
I once had to walk away from my dad while he was scolding me from the sofa. I was standing behind him with a paring knife in my hand (I was cooking when he called me into have a go).
He called something like a "little whore" and I had a fleeting image of planting that knife right in the top of his dome.
@@chaddad1488My heart breaks for Jonathan and what Eldon _could’ve_ been in a loving, healthy household, not who he is now or what he did.
Why you or anyone else feel bad for *their* abusive father, I have no idea. Not all victims deserve to be missed or cried for. He gets no empathy from me. 🤷♀️
@@j_g9109 Boo hoo daddy was mean, and what's the excuse for why he killed Jonathan? Who cares what his excuse was, there's no good reason to kill your family that isn't self-defense.
@@chaddad1488clearly you didn't grow up in an abusive home. It's literal psychological and physical torture day in and day out but if you tell anyone it will only get worse. Knowing you'll have to suffer that for years and years. Then there's a way out, that being murder. An immature, undeveloped child will take that way out rather than suffer at the hands of a monster. I don't condone his actions, but saying that the dad was completely innocent in this is just weaponized ignorance. I think it's horrible and unforgivable that he would kill Justin, but you can't act like abuse is innocent.
1:19:25: BIG missing point here is; Dad had weapons laying around LOADED. That creates INSANE fear. I totally can see (being an abused kid myself) how a parent pushing one HARD could create TREMENDOUS fear of being hurt. And it provokes me SO MUCH that they try and make this weird "If i pushed you, you wouldn't feel the need to shoot me" No?? cause he is not threatened by you like that. He keeps saying "dad was on his medication. He thought there was zombies" don't you get how terrifying that would be to experience? I totally get how he would feel like the dad was dangerous.
he hated his brother more he said. kid is crazy thats it
@aarona5839 Dude his parents fucked him up.
@@aarona5839 "Kid is crazy that's it" is sometimes true, but not with this kid. It's obvious his home situation was weird and f.cked up. It doesn't rectify his actions, but bad nurture can do unimaginable things to a person
It's not a missing point lol they mentioned it many times lol
Exactly
15 years totally sentence…
Horrendous for children to be brought up in this environment, but listening to Anthony’s interrogation, putting aside what he did to his father, he tortured his little autistic brother, threatening, bullying and stabbing him in the years prior to killing him in a depraved manner.
Scheduled for release in 2029…
exactly. awful.
Fr. People keep saying they feel bad for him, but he took an innocent life for no reason. His upbringing was horrible, yes, but so was the little brother's. He didn't deserve his life to end so prematurely. I think 15 years is fair enough...
We don’t know what dad did in his stupors. Often there is one “golden child” and one “scapegoat”. They are pitted against each other which can cause resentment.
Where did you get 15 years? He got 20 years fixed so that should be 2034. Plus another possible 5 years.
Lmfao everything is a red flag to this guy. “He is sitting perfectly still and answering the question directly and on time..this is obviously a case of high deception” 😂
I like how they show the iron maiden cd like it's iron maidens fault
I'm wondering about that too, I thought there was some kind of point about that coming up here
"games make a person violent" type of thing@@lakeshore2698
😂 I thought the same thing 😂
I know right? I started laughing when I saw them holding it up with a glove as if it was some kind of valuable evidence. 😹
I thought it was crazy that hes wearing a Mortal Treason shirt which is a christian metal band. how weird.
As someone who got the hell beat out of me by my father before he faced consequences - Being ragged dolled around, busted noses, bruises all over your six year old body- let me tell you. It messes you up. I wouldn’t call this kid a monster. The system failed them.
Edit for those in the back who can’t deduce messages without it being flatly spelled out for them -
I’m not saying the kids innocent of the crimes he committed, rather that it’s a tragedy he was broken so mentally in that home that the incident even occurred. Obviously he can’t be redeemed now, but if the system had acted quicker to help him, this could have been prevented. His actions are monstrous, but he himself if not one.
If that’s STILL not enough read the thread, someone else has probably already said the exact same thing you are thinking and I have already provided a response.
He blew his little brothers legs off with a shotgun trying to get him out from under a bed he was hiding under after he watched this monster murder his father.
This monster then proceeded to hack him to death with a machete.
30 times.
He absolutely butchered that child.
Count 30 swings, imagine the screams, the blood...
You still think he isnt a monster?
@@stevepalpatine2828 No. I think his mind snapped after years of abuse and neglect and he took it out on what he perceived as the source of his situation. It doesn't make it right but right and wrong aren't totally clear to a 14 year old that's been abused and neglected his entire life. I fully think society failed everyone involved.
@richardmoore609 I think he should get the electric chair.
He hacked a kid up, blew his legs off with a shotgun, stabbed him 14 times and then hacked him to death with a machete purely because the kid was autistic and annoying.
Bleeding hearts are the reason this world is so messed up.
Won't someone please think of the psychopathic killer who turned his little brother into chunks of quivering meat.
If he gets out it's likely his poor mind will snap again the next time someone annoys him.
This shit is unforgivable.
He didn't just shoot his dad after his dad abused him.
He went Cartel style on an autistic child whose only crime was being annoying and not wanting to get out from under a bed after he saw this abomination murder his father.
This wasn't a moment of rage bro.
This was a prolonged, brutal, and sadistic attack that lasted minutes.
Do me a favor count how many times 14 stabs and 30 swings with a machete are.
Hit a pillow or something.
Now imagine that's a child begging for his life.
You really think this goblin isn't a monster?
Give me a break.
I’m so sorry you went through that abuse
@@richardmoore609 If you think "society" is somehow responsible for what this kid did to his autistic little brother, then you need as much help as he does.
From his childish perspective, though deeply flawed, he squarely blamed his brother's autism as the root of all his family issues. He believes without his brother, his mom might still be around and his father wouldn't have so many problems. He's embarrassed by his brother's public behavior. His reasoning, while selfish, stems purely from hatred towards his brother's autism, which he couldn't bear any longer.
"Yeah"
That word and the way he says it..
Sad isn’t it. This kid isn’t a psycho