The Zach Wilson experiment is nearing its end in NY
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To me, the Zach Wilson experience is such a fascinating microcosm of what is really valuable in football. Sometimes, I notice that a certain talent will come into the league that just causes everyone to look for the next version of it. A great example is Antonio Gates. Chargers find a hall of famer who barely played any football but had great basketball experience,which helped him win as a tight end. Then, everyone wanted their tight ends to be basketball players. Cam Newton becomes an MVP, and now teams are looking for the next big QB that can run (Kaepernick, Tebow, etc.).
Well, Patrick Mahomes just won the super bowl after throwing for 5k yards and 50+ TDs the year before. Now everyone wants the next Mahomes. So, teams look for a guy who can make those off platform throws deep and get outside the pocket. Zach Wilson did a lot of that at BYU. If you wanted to convince yourself he had Mahomes potential, you could easily put together a lot of film to do it. However, he also had a losing record against winning teams, and when I say losing, I mean he put some BAD things on film. All the shit JT is talking about here, that was on the tape at BYU. But Mahomes put some BAD stuff on tape too, so I guess it's okay, right? This is why you have to make sure guys can do the simple things before trying to find someone who can do something extra. Like, if a dude can't make close to 80% of their free throws, how on earth could you think they'll be able to make 45% of their threes? The dude looks absolutely ATROCIOUS 90% of the time. Sure, he'll do cool shit 10% of the time. But give him layups, and he'll give it to the other team, or put it in the dirt
Now everybody is trying to find the next Josh Allen, so you have people actually projecting guys like Will Levis and Anthony Richardson ahead of Bryce Young in the draft because they're big and have big arms. Never mind that they've both looked completely overmatched by decent college defenses, and even some bad ones (Levis had 98 yards and 3 picks against Tennessee, which gave up 284 yards a game passing, 125th of 131 FBS teams). Anthony Richardson threw for barely 200 yards a game, completed only 53.8% of his passes and had 17 TD passes and 9 interceptions. He throws virtually nothing but fastballs and looked absolutely lost trying to play from the pocket in several games.
Lol Cam was drafted AFTER Tebow and in the same draft as Kaep, what are you talking about?
@@Don-md6wn In 11 games his last college season, Josh Allen had mediocre numbers in a vastly inferior conference in college, throwing 16TDs and 6INts with a 56% completion rate in the weak MWC prior to being drafted. SEC East is in another universe than the Mountain West Conference lol.
Let’s not pretend his development wasn’t remarkable in the NFL.
@@antcantcook960 right.
@@antcantcook960 and it took two years and Stefon Diggs for him to hit full stride. But, remarkable indeed.
We might've just watched the last time Zach Wilson plays football in the NFL. Your breakdown is spot on.
If Dwayne Haskins (RIP) can earn a spot as a backup, Zach can too. It really depends on whether he's humble enough to sign as a backup and devote himself to learning game at this level.
He just went to a bad place to develop him. Hopefully he wasn’t ruined for good mentally.
No way it’s his last. Maybe last in a jets uni tho 😂
i wish this were true
@@Sharkweed LMAO, I feel so bad for Jets fans.
Excellent analysis. Processing speed, good decision making, and consistency are 3 things that are hard to teach and unfortunately are the areas ZW is weak in. I really hope he gets the W tonight, but as we’ve seen too often, these problems can present issues at anytime
Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen improved in all 3 of those aspects
@@AK-74K Those two dudes showed clear signs of being something special their Rookie years. Zach Wilson has NOT at all. Compare him to his draft class and dude is a complete bum
@@Andy-fg7hm literally displays in this video the kind of upside and talent he has in different aspects. How is he not talented at all ?
@@robbiewarrene When did I say he wasn't talented? I said he wasn't special. He isn't a special player in the sense of he hasn't really made a ton of big plays or games that he hasn't had a breakout game yet.
and by now the dude seems worse than when he first started. Most Quarterbacks show progression but Zach has shown regression if anything.
He has talent sure, but you can only do such much with talent alone in the NFL as a starting Quarterback.. Jamarcus Russell is the perfect example, similar scenario overall and his stats are lining up with him. Obviously he isn't Jamarcus Russel, but I just think Wilson needs to show leadership or ANYTHING to make people believe in him.
@@Andy-fg7hm Really jamarcus russel? jamarcus russel had absolutely no talent and was victum of the nfl not knowing how to scout for decades. Man just had a strong arm literally nothing else. And good job just using a synonym because you apparently knew your comment was stupid. Some guys aren’t used to nfl timing and nfl speed esspecially when they switch to a scheme that is literally nothing like their college scheme and doesn’t play to their strengths at all. Zach is used to a more open field spread offense from his college days and the jets offense is not as spread out or built on db leverage like spread systems, its built on timing and rhythm, two things that ZW struggled with in college already. Look at burrow, first half of the season they are 4-4 and struggling on offense while running an outside zone shanny kind of scheme. They switch to a more up tempo spread out offense that plays into burrows strenths more specifically into the way he sees the football field and processes space and they havent lost since. Also ZW is accountable for his actions and he is a leader. The only thing you know about his character is a 5 second clip where he said the word “no”. What about his post game interviews in numerous games where he says he played like shit and let his team down, even saying things like he deserves to be benched? He is a special kid and under the right coaching he will shine.
Garrett Wilson gets open essentially on every in route he runs
Go after Gardner Minshew😊
@@drb5003 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Wilson struggled in college with RPOs as well. He'd often go Hero ball instead of just dumping the ball to the RB or he'd hand the ball off to Tyler Algier who would make something from nothing. Everyone in the NFL is running RPO-type offenses now though and if he can't adjust and figure it out then he's in trouble I guess.
Tendency to play hero ball is hard to correct.
Who is running RPO type offenses? Even a team like Baltimore is basically a pro style west coast offense with a few QB draws added in
Wilson was a 3 star recruit and it's showing in the NFL, best QB ever from BYU was Jim McMAhon and Wilson can't hold his jock
@@twostop6895 I agree about Wilson... but I think you forgot about Steve Young.
@@kqatsi both won 1 Superbowl, Young dud have better stats,
I love these Jets breakdowns. I would love it if you would do the same for the Thursday night game. Zack vs Strevler.
Another great vid! Imho looks like he's not setting his feet in the direction he wants to throw. He's then throwing from odd arm angles causing him to miss his throws.
A Zach is my boy but honestly this is the problem. Even in his practice , con drill for qb, he does this. I guess he believes in his arm soooo lol.
I hoping he kills em in this game vs the jags
His abilities were superhuman in college and he could be "bad" and cover it up. But in the NFL everybody is superhuman and he didn't expect that. He looks like he thinks he can just be more superhuman than all the other superhumans, and he just can't.
@@billsmith2593 Which is hilarious because Justin Herbert looked superhuman about 70% of the time in college but not many would accept he was being sabotaged by his coach/play caller. Now he comes into the pros and he looks ever MORE superhuman with his mechanics and post snap processing along with just moving well in an cluttered pocket. And he's still being sabotaged by a conservative defensive minded HC and a conservative play caller.
I feel like a lot of Zach's throws aren't intercepted because of how bad they are, like the safety on the play 25:21 almost looks confused at how far off the pass is. You also see it on the prayer ball to nobody that one of his guys managed to catch.
Just like Russell Wilson lol
How about his mechanics on that throw? Absolutely atrocious!!!
The fact that you’ve made so many vids on Wilson and nothing has changed with him is damning
Well last year he was actually playing pretty good football for the last 5 weeks just for some reason this year he completely reverted back to that first 9 werks
@@ballsballsballs3617 Last 5 weeks of last year, the Jets had Zach's prior personal coach, John Beck on staff. For this year, they hired Rob Calabrese, who had 2 years of NFL experience as a "quality control" coach for the Broncos. Connect the dots.
@Ron Funk NO Zach lacks intangibles nobody can teach leadership I think Mike White has the ability to make this team a real threat but they have to sure up that Oline
Read the in between circumstances with Wilson … It wasn’t a smooth path to make all of your mistakes and learn the position like Fields and Lawrence … I’m in NYC. Yes, ZW has to take responsibility for much of his failures. But the Jets have always destroyed young QBs; and it’s always been with defensive head coaches (Adam Gase doesn’t count as he was an impostor.); I’m seeing a similar trend.
The craziest part of that interception is that the safety looks like he's pointing out the fact that he sees the guy on the in route will be open before the throw.
Nearly every bazarro miss and the technical miss on the film was due to his off arm swinging down hard and out, causing him to miss left. He should’ve looked like he was eating a sandwich with his off arm, not trying to elbow someone behind him. I don’t know why he has sound fundamentals on crazy throws rolling to the opposite side, but his form goes to shot on easy thows that are like 10-20 yards down the field. This tendency also causes balls to just die on you. You have to use what feel like more arm strength for less yardage.
It's really nuts. Nice analysis on his throws, btw. Because since the Steelers game he's deteriorated in processing speed, pocket awareness, and accuracy. But one thing he's done since he's been drafted is miss passes to the flat. It's a mechanical issue and should be easy to fix; if Knapp or Beck were still there it probably would have been ironed out.
Le Fleur has been pushing for Mike White the whole season. Le Fleur's crew isn't interested in coaching him. Mike White got a simplified playbook tailored to his strengths, which is something that Le Fleur has never done for Wilson. And White's skills, to the extent he has them, are a match to Le Fleur's offense!
Just joined. Thank you so much for the video. Please if possible do a Part 2 on Zach because his performance against Jags was end of Jets starting career to me.
You were the only one, I mean like the only to question Zach's play and lower competition he played against at BYU. How many times you pointed out that ball is under thrown etc that won't work on Sunday.
Long suffering Jets fan who wanted Fields with #2 pick. Couldn't understand how the Jets could pass on a qb that athletic in today's NFL whonplayed at highest level college football unlike Zach.
As a Jets fan, we are lost man just lost. Wilson is done in NY only 2yrs after Darnold.
Keep.up the great work
not a Jets fan here but look at it an objective way. Hitting on QB1 is difficult. GM Joe Douglas has managed to hit on OTHER important parts of the roster (DT, edge talents, CB, parts of the O-line, Safety, WRs). Yes its on Douglas as well to pick Darnold the 2nd after he saw the train wreck that was Darnold the 1st. But as long as he can recognize he screwed up on Wilson and he's making active moves to get a better replacement be it in the draft or the FA market, count on him to continue making those roster improvements.
@@t4d0W I agree with you. Douglas has to come clean with ownership and if Zach is released at least within the organization from top to bottom evaluate how they missed so badly. We are talking scouts, Zach 's background with his teammates BYU(never a captain), level of competition a college qb prospect faced. Zach 's best year BYU played a weakened schedule as they garbage teams who had not canceled their season due to covid. Does our next qb prospect have enough elite physical and athletic traits for today's NFL. Zach was undersized in college and still is. But Unlike Murray or Bryce Young he was never tested in college(nor hit enough) to see if he could overcome his slender frame against the best competition
We were told he had an incredible are. He doesn't, he is capable of some impressive and unimpressive throws.
He ran for good yardage in college. But again who fast was he against that competition. He barely attempts to run anymore as the speed in NFL closes too fast and he gets hit. Don't forget he conveniently developed a hamstring and didn't run the 40yd dash at the combine. He is good athlete, not a great athlete in the NFL.
Worse is he is panicky and scared to get hit. The hits, the injuries and now the teammates turning on him have robbed the kid of any swagger he had coming in.
But this can't happen again. If Douglas stays he to honestly reflect why two high 1st rd picks in Wilson and Becton are busts. Why Mims a high 2nd rd pick is a bench player who asked to be traded. Why another high 2nd rd pick Moore asked to be traded only a few games into his 2nd yr.
Woody fired Mangini who had success because Mangini didn't cater to communicate effectively with the owner. We don't know how Saleh engages with people inside that building
This is the best Q.B.class!....Why cant Zack fix what he sees on film? He sees these videos of himself?. To me he is speeding things up in his mind to fast on the easy throws.
Rob Calabrese QB coach, look up his resume. Then look up Trevor Lawrence's QB coach, Mike McCoy's resume. See a difference?
At 35:21 Look at the hurt QB Mike White's Expression!, on the sideline....He's like Oh My Goodness!!, what just how did...& what's next to happen!! HAHAHA
This title blew my mind, wow JT, for you to say that… I didn’t think anyone would go there for a 2nd year guy. For YOU to say that, I’m shook….
U clearly don’t watch a lot of Jets game on a week to week basis
Isn't it obvious? Dude hasn't shown any kind of improvement for 2 years
it's only been like 2 years, like yeah, its bad but its not his fault totally, its clearly Mike LaFleur. like everything he's showing is Mike Lafleur doing a Matt Nagy impression. i've seen less talented players playing worse. Even then! its one thing to say, he's struggling, he needs to learn this, that. To be like, these plays aren't okay and this experiment is almost over.... wha? the experiment just started lol.
Dude it’s not Mike… 😂😂😂😂
@@ikey1119 Mike isn't the dude calling deep throws with a 5 step drop on plays designed for 3 steps? Whose the dude doing stuff like that? He's the one who needs to be fired. i'm really supposed to just blame Zach Wilson and not blame the people who drafted him and are failing to properly coach him? Fire Lefleur, Bring in Frank Reich, this won't be such a mess.
The Rob Calabrese experiment should end first. Get a proven QB coach and see what happens, not a 32 year old nobody with zero years coaching experience in the NFL. That's right, the Jets hired a QB coach to mentor their $35M investment who has zero, zilch, nada experience or accomplishments under his belt in the NFL. Insane.
and Calabrese wasn't even a good college QB. People forget that Zach took his teammates to a vacation retreat in the offseason and travelled around the country to throw to the WR's. Now, he is a bad teammate. NO, HE CARES too much and is playing scared at this point. Some of this falls on coaching.
Is it impossible to run more than 2 play action bootlegs a game?
Is it harder on the line?
Also, everyone keeps referring to receivers showing frustration on the field as a ZW problem. How?
Garrett Wilson has had over 90 yards 3 of the last 4 times ZW has been QB. That's a GW problem.
I think Zach needs to just take a good pop. He's afraid of contact and you can see it on the Braxton miss, doesn't really set his feet so he can try to avoid the contact after he throws. I think he might need to take a good pop and see that as long as guys aren't trying to take out your knees you'll be alright for the most part
One of the reasons why i thought the Jets were crazy for drafting Zach was the game in college against University Washington. He looked scared that game and rattled very early. The game was just too fast for him where as Fields would find away to make a play.
This Lion's game really encapsulated all the good and all the really bad with Wilson. Man, those good throws are honestly impressive and you know there are only a few QBs that can make those throws. But, the issue is always the easy throws and mental processing. I'm curious to what is going on in the QB room and with the OC Mike LaFluer. Why is this such a struggle for Wilson to make the easy but not the hard?
I think they baby him and basically wipe his ass instead of telling him the truth that he is failing the team, he is the worst in the league and has to improve
First off, well said. I have noticed the same thing too. It's a combo of things. #1 having literally all day to throw at BYU hurt him once he got pros. He gets an ounce of pressure and he immediately wants to roll out horizontally. Something I like with Fields is he really stands tall in the pocket and only runs when he has to. Zach is too skittish. I do think mental processing part of it is huge. It's just too fast for him...and thats consequently screwing with his head and making the easy more difficult. When you see those occasionally wow throws...thats him just being mentally loose and throwing the ball as he knows it. Just having confidence in yourself carries over. I really think taking a privileged kid from a bubble in Utah and making him franchise QB in NY was a bad idea. Just the fact he wasnt voted team captain at BYU was a huge red flag. That literally never happens lol. I played college ball. This is my moms act btw, Im a dude lol
@@annemariemcnamara5549 Most teams want the QB to be Captain so you’re 100% right that was an eyebrow raiser in hindsight
Stop saying one of his flaws is mental processing, its not, his main flaw is his timing and rythme. Literally in all of these but 1 he made the right decision but he was too late or was too early or missed. He doesn’t have nfl timing yet which yes is a concern but that is very coachable and learnable.
@@robbiewarreneI saw a clip where he looks at Mims wide open on a Post in the End Zone and he didnt fire the shot
Seems like all of the worst plays are in the 3rd quarter after the pick, suggesting a confidence issue that evaporated by the 4th quarter.
Well, the title to this video aged very well after TNF.
The film doesn’t lie
@@TheQBSchool No sir!
@@Horneij21Imagine if this was Fields vs Lawrence
@@martinthomas2520 I'm a Bears fan, every day I've become more and more thankful that the Jets passed on Fields 😂
Zach’s best throw of the year at 7:02 climbs the pocket, laser, accurate good foot work
"That time Zach made a great throw..." (yikes! 😅)
Indeed, all he really needs to be an average qb is a clean pocket, no pressure and a wide open receiver on every play
@@fredoberg Soo his ceiling is Jared Goff whose shorter with shitter footwork? LMAO
JT you are HILARIOUS for calling Aidan Billie Jean😂😂😂😂
It is hilarious, but not sure why he's doing it
In training camp Aidan sung billie jean for the rookie show
It looks like he's indecisive due to a lack of confidence. He knows he's on the way out so he's playing careful which is adding to the indecisiveness. Instead of throwing INT because he's late on a throw and trying to rectify it, he needs to rip it and throw the INT to the correct read. Still INT but he'll learn from it. He's not learning anything by trying to fix what he missed. He needs to just rip it. At least he'll go out guns-a-blazin'.
That’s the Jets environment that caused this insecurity and pressure … You can’t compete for the playoffs while you’re trying to groom a very green QB. The fans were extremely impatient and critical; and so were the new young talents on the team who were ready to win now. It was simply a horrible environment to develop a low floor QB like Zach. They might have destroyed him perhaps like they did Sam Darnold in a different way.
Watch O'Sullivan's break down of ZW's first game of the season against the Steelers. His processing speed and decision making are on a whole different level.
Still missed passes to the flat though, and made questionable decisions on RPOs, but other than that, everything he did looked better, cleaner, faster, more decisive. If your second year quarterback gets markedly worse as the season goes on, something's wrong.
Not defending zach, he’s got a ton that needs improvement, but one thing I see all over these analyses is the lack of detail orientation across the whole jets offense. The coaching is lacking.
except for the fact that whenever Mike white plays qb the offense racks up 450 yards of offense and runs like a well oiled machine
His natural instinct to go for broke every play is what done him in.
@@jetsclaps and yet the offense still can’t score and loses.
@@Dillonmurray50 and that’s where the bad coaching comes in. Zach can’t even break 100 yards in a game cuz he’s trash
I agree. I’m seeing just how bad the coaching is in this week in Seattle. Doesn’t change the fact that every QB under him does way better. A guy with 7 career starts and a guy with 0 minutes in the NFL outperformed him. Not excusable tbh
Zach misses too many layups for me. He’s like the russel Westbrook of quarterbacks. Sure there will be exciting plays but he can’t shoot and turns the ball over too much
westbrook is 100x the athlete that wilson is lol this is so disrespectful
@@samuelnaddy475 yeah i'm talking about current Westbrook not prime Westbrook lol
Ty for the perfect analogy 🙏🏼👍🏼
@@samuelnaddy475 put the whole team on his back? What the fuck game are you watching? If you can’t complete a 7 yard pass in the flat over and over and over again what good is it if you make a fourth and 18th throw it’s fucking garbage I can’t believe you people that still think Zach is a good quarterback do you watch the games?
@@samuelnaddy475 by the way, did you just watch the video? If you still think he’s a good quarterback after watching this video well, then obviously you’re biased for some reason because he shows you every reason he’s not a good quarterback, and there are multiple.
He's basically still a rookie. Super talented and needs coaching and more opportunities. Leave it to the inept Jet's organization and New York media to grind him up. This is the reason the Jets have not had a truly great QB since Joe Namath.
Rob Calabrese QB coach, look up his resume. Then look up Trevor Lawrence's QB coach, Mike McCoy's resume. See a difference?
@@live2thefullest617 I see the difference get that for Zach Wilson and he will improve
Yeah, it's everyone elses fault but the dude who can't get it done.
How is he a rookie? The jets have a loaded team on both sides of the ball. Except that bum zach
@@MrTonyMartino It's not about fault or blame, it's about putting your $35M investment in the best position to succeed. MLF and Rob Calabrese should be clipboard carriers and go-fors. Rob Calabrese zero years NFL coaching experience! Why?!? Look what Doug Peterson did for Trevor Lawrence, hired a QB coach who was a former OC with 19 seasons experience, who coached Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers. That's what you do when you're giving your supposed franchise QB every opportunity to succeed.
he’s not the only wilson experiment that didn’t work out this season 😂
yeppp.. as a Jets fan this is gold ... it's what most of is were screaming about ... the bad stuff puts himself into position to play hero ball... and then the chunk stuff that looks good should always look better
As a jets fan it's troublesome , seeing the good and the bad consistently mixed
I think with a better play caller than Lefleur and another good WR that isn't Berrios, Wilson and the NYJ can turn it around next year. Maybe if they run more concepts out of the KC or Buffalo playbooks and get ZW out in space chucking it deep. Problem is you can't do that EVERY play and ZW, as Salah has said, can't do the easy stuff. Really frustrating.
I’ve seen enough from him. Time to move on. By year two there needs to be real improvement or you’re probably not the guy. Missing on quarterbacks is ok. Holding on to them instead of moving on sets back your franchise
Mike White is most likely taking his job. Cant waste a talented roster in the NFL. There's no turning it around, he's had his shot and then some...
Rob Calabrese QB coach, look up his resume. Then look up Trevor Lawrence's QB coach, Mike McCoy's resume. See a difference?
@@live2thefullest617 I did.. Calabrese has no experience and looks like he's about 25 years old.
McCoy appears to be about 50 and worked with Manning and Rivers.
I heard the guy the Jets hired to coach Zach died suddenly so, maybe they didn't have many options at the time ?
@@llfeforce9484 Exactly right. Greg Knapp's tragic passing was nearly 2 years ago; Jets had plenty of time since then to hire someone. Mike McCoy, the Jaguars QB coach was just hired this year.
As a Jet fan he nails it. Great watch!
Watching your breakdown makes me think he has waaay more potential than I thought, and he should have been supported more by his head coach and allowed to play through his mistakes. Feels like they ruined his confidence by yanking him early because they were desperate for a meaningless playoff push in year 2. He obv needs coaching on his mechanics and reps to improve his processing. No one wants to develop processing anymore.
He makes a bunch of GREAT throws in this video to go along with his bad throws. He needs REPS and support
I agree with you. The presser after NE was brutal, but he never got a chance to immediately correct his mistakes. The team made the losses about him and then mike comes and makes everyone feel good. Kid Is not coached well
@@jusstnc1759 Exactly.
Great vid, I was hoping to see film on this game
I wish the coaches in NY seemed even a little interested in coaching him and developing his skills
Why would you think they are not? No one wants to see Wilson succeed more than the Jets
@user-bn5de8uk4r I'm sure they do, because they invested so much around him to give him weapons and protection. But you have to question why they aren't trying more easy completion stuff, maybe run some RPO since he's athletic, or even just some designed runs. Just something to build his confidence and give his teammates a little more faith in him. I know the staff is capable of that because they had Streveler do a little bit of stuff like that when he came in Thursday. This team should be capable of diniking and dunking. I'm aware the running game never got going during the Jaguars game but get him throwing some quick screens and quick 1 or 2 read passes
@@Vo1kfang Jsut because he's athletic doesn't means he's that much of a quality runner on QB designed run situations. Hell he's not even on Jalen Hurts' level or even Daniel Jone's level on designed QB runs. So if he can't even rip chunk plays off that, why give him the opportunity when the team is built for quick plays and attacking the middle of the field which matters most?
@@FirstNameLastName-kt3zn As it turns out, the OC was not at all interested in Wilson succeeding. He's been pushing for Mike White since last year.
The whole thing was such a case of mismanagement: as a rookie, Wilson memorized the playbook and then told Le Fleur he found parts of it extremely complicated. Le Fleur basically told him to go pound sand. Then White, who's been a Jet for as long as Wilson has (and has been in the league for a whole lot longer, comes to Le Fleur with the same complaint. Le Fleur does up a whole new simplified short playbook for him. The rot in the OC's staff was deep.
The irony is that Le Fleur had been arguing that White fit the offensive scheme better. Probably true -- Wilson is more of an Air Coryell type quarterback. But then why are you changing your playbook for the backup who's supposed to fit the offense when you wouldn't lift a finger for the starter who wasn't as good a match? Also, shouldn't a competent OC build his scheme around the long term talent he has? It's like if the OC of the Colts gave a rookie Peyton Manning a playbook full of designed QB runs.
I guess that's why he's the former offensive coordinator. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Trevor Lawrence had come here. He's another QB with a non-MLF skillset. He'd be considered a bust.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Zach is such a roller coaster man if he just puts it together he gonna be good but that’s a IF
If he can actually manage to play football at a level higher than what looks like a college Div II QB
@@patrickmcpartland1398 facts
Good analysis, as usual. My guess is that Zack will not be on the Jets roster next year. The Jets will elect to pay Mike White because he is an UFA, and will trade Zack for whatever they can get for him. I still do not understand why the Jets didn't take Justin Fields after he had that 5 TD performance against Clemson! Sad!
It came from above
Jets didnt want a black quarterback
@@hj-mr5gg they drafted geno smith; that’s bullshit.
@@Windyyyyyyyyy that was how many coaching staffs / front offices ago?
After last night, I'm pretty this is all academic. Zach Wilson has about as much chance of taking the field again as the qb for the Jets as I do. He's the quintessential "million dollar arm with a ten cent head." Maybe some other qb-needy team will be able to rehabilitate his career, but his teammates in NY clearly don't want to play for him, and consequently, he's done there.
The kid needed lotsa nurturing; and the Jets as currently constituted weren’t ready nor set up for that commitment. ZW might be a slow learner with a low floor QB; but I blame the Jets for doing the wrong thing and not committing to developing him; even Justin Fields with more experience and tougher college competition is still struggling playing QB; his current successes are mainly with his legs; Eberflus is using his running game to build his confidence to ease him into his passing game … The Jets didn’t seem to have a cohesive plan for Zach Wilson’s development.
there is a lesson in this. if YOU possess talent . make more of your talent with consistency and fundamentals . the reason ? someone will always have more talent but you can always control your how hard and accurate you work. cant rely on occasional genius to save the day cause one day it WONT be enough. great analysis and lesson baked in here .
Excellent break down of film. What this exemplifies is the distinction between athletisism....strong arm... speed....etc... and how that benefits the QB play..... and the mental abilities...being able to slow game down mentally.....see the field...anticipate the defense and the check down options.
Let's face it....Tom Brady is not the most athletic QB but is the best...its the mental part of the game that is so important at the QB position.
On a positive perspective you cannot teach athletisism..... Zak has that gift....but can you teach what amounts to mental agility....smarts.. not panicking in the pocket? Perhaps.... but as Geno Smith shows....that mental talent if initially lacking can only be gained through lots of playing time..... an option the Jets may have unexpectedly ran out of time for ad discussed further below.
Mike White is not the most gifted athletically but you can immediately see the distinction in his play.....the decisiveness he brings to his play compared to Zak.
In the end if this is another lost play off season for the Jets....despite the great work of Joe Douglas otherwise....the fault lay on him and the other coaches....
who I suspect all along knew White was a better QB now.... but for reasons other than just wanting to have best chance of winning the game ......decided to stick with Wilson. That change needed to come 2nd half of 2nd Patriots game at latest but really earlier.
When it became clear the Jets had assembled a winning roster more quickly than expected the objective of this season needed to change immediately from one of developing your prized number 2 draft pick to that of ensuring you're playing with youre best QB right now and winning now. Who knows what will be next year...what free agency does...what injuries do.... you had a chance this year and you....the Jets management.... waited too long to make the needed change at QB and in end it seems gave us Jets fans one more season of "same 'old Jets".
It was obvious immediately that White had better command of the game. Us fans knew it. Worse the players in the locker room knew it. And you knew it too but you were worried more about how you would be perceived if your number 2 puck was benched instead of winning now....its a shame. Will never know but I suspect Mike White operates the offense effectively enough to put a 3 point field goal up against the Pats and we win that game. That may turn out to be the playoff crusher. Mac Jones was also held to 3 points but the Jets defense played amazingly....but Jones was completing passes...moving the chains...Jones had enabled a functioning offense that was shut down by the Jets defense.... whereas and in contrast to how in that game Zak was completely dysfunctional.... was obvious... it was dog poo as the coach admitted. Had White played 2nd half we win 6 to 3. Oh well.
Hi The QB School,
I like your breakdown analysis and content!
Where do you get this film from? Is there a subscription or website that you use?? Thanks.
Love that he's referring to Aidan Hutchinson as Billie Jean 😂. Iykyk
Man I love what Zach can do out of the pocket. But Mike white is the smarter QB right now, its this weird situation where you either have a guy that can make those easy throws most the time (not all the time, white throws behind guys on slants all the time and it drives me almost as crazy as when Zach just misses a guy standing still.) Or you have a guy who misses guys standing still but can make some good throw on bootlegs and extending the play. It's such a frustrating QB situation
LaFleur should quit calling plays. Tell Zach to have his receivers run around aimlessly and he'll hit them when he sees an opening. Not sure Wilson can play within structure at this point.
Everyone’s riding that bandwagon that it’s over for Zach Wilson with the Jets except the coaching staff. But I blame this more on the New York City expectations from the Press, the PTSD ridden Jets fanatics who want instant gratification, and an unexpectedly ready to compete surrounding cast around Zach Wilson.
Wilson played a total of 1-1/4 season of NFL Football. This is simply not enough a sample size for a very raw, low floor QB coming out of BYU who really hasn’t fully learned to play the the QB position in college unlike the likes of Trevor Lawrence and Justing Fields. And yet both Trevor and Justin have been allowed to go through their growing pains and mistakes without the insane amount of scrutiny that Wilson has had to go through from the get go in NYC with Jets fandom … I am here in NYC; Jets fans in general were obstinate and abusive from the get go; they gave Zach Wilson ZERO margin for error. So Wilson was drafted by a team that ultimately had no patience for him to develop over 3-4 seasons; and once the team realized that the surrounding cast was ready to compete, Zach Wilson’s developmental timeline be damned; and unfortunately, the young surrounding talents with the Jets also haven’t any patients for Zach’s growing pains.
So I see this more so as the Jets and NYC atmosphere with fandom and press failing Zach Wilson.
Not all young QBs improve in a linear trajectory; some experience growing pains and obstacles that result in regressions and erratic swings like Wilson. So it’s not fair to give up on ZW in less than two full seasons that came with lots of drama, injuries and pressure to win now.
SO I won’t follow the herd preaching the narrative that Zach Wison is done or is a bust, not even in NYC … If what Saleh and Lafleur are saying are as sincere as they sound, I think the Jets will either keep Mike White, or bring in a stable game manager average QB to manage games such as Garopolo or Derek Carr to appease to a ready defense and offensive players in order to compete and win games; they'll keep Zach Wilson on the team to sit, deal with his mental issues and learn like Patrick Mahomes did for a year or so. Zach has two seasons left on his rookie contract; unless someone blows the Jets’ minds with a trade, They’re keeping Wilson to resume his development with patience … I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s simply a slow learner longer term project who needs time to learn to process defenses and learn to play the QB position in the NFL.
Great insights as always JT thank you. Is it just me or was he advertised as a big arm? I'm not sure I'm seeing big arm talent. At least against the Jaguars today there were several throws where he was really short. Am I over blowing this? Also his spiral was really struggling tonight. Either it was the rain or are they coaching/messing with his natural throwing motion?
That wind and rain may not have helped. It looked like TLaw wasn’t really pressing it downfield, which those aforementioned factors could explain that, as well.
Like JT said ‘natural torque’ but inaccurate and bad decision-making
That kind of talent should have some nurturing. I wouldn’t give up on him
Get him a real QB coach like Frank Reich.
There’s talent in every draft. Most of the QBs who don’t make it in the league are the ones who have nothing going on in the head.
You don't draft a project second overall
@@joemarr5383 Water under the bridge. Now find out if you got something by firing 2 unproven and inexperienced coachs: MLF and Rob Calabrese, bring in Frank Reich or a veteran OC and QB coach to get the most out of you $35M investment.
@@joemarr5383 he is definetly a project
Great analysis. Totally agree with your assessment. As a non biased fan that watches every game intently this is exactly what most of us ( excluding the delusional or man crushers) see each & every game that he plays. Not sure how you fix the fundamentals over night but how long do you give the guy to figure it out? Tough to imagine the team goes into next season with the roster that they have (fully healthy, another draft class, & added free agents) with uncertainty at the quarterback position.
1.3 seasons wasn’t enough time for his development … Fans bailed on ZW because they want to win now; one can come up with all kind of reasons to justify this; and many of them will make sense; and yet still be subjective because they support fandom’s narrative to win now; and he obviously was not ready now; he needs more developmental time. The Jets is and was the wrong team for this QB project. This wasn’t all on Wilson.
JT can you please be Wilson's QB coach!!!! I'll call the Jets. This guy has too much raw talent to just throw him away
Rob Calabrese QB coach, look up his resume. Then look up Trevor Lawrence's QB coach, Mike McCoy's resume. See a difference?
I thought someone in the above comments said the jets don't have a QB coach???
The coaches are doing their part. It's all mental with Zach.
He has no more “raw talent” than many backups and rookies coming in next season. When you’re at this level the margins are slim with “talent”. Not trying to be disrespectful I just disagree. I think arm talent is probably above average but that doesn’t mean anything in the NFL if you can’t get the ball to people. He’s been coached for 15+ years. What will change?
@@noelv1976 When a QB is drafted No. 2 overall and is a complete bust with an 8-14 record someone has to get fired. The GM is not going to fire himself, HC is not going to get fired. MLF and Calabrese, who told JD Zach was a perfect fit for their system, will be fired after the season.
It makes me wonder how ZW can be a second-overall pick in the 2021 draft and perform like this. I recall he did some good things at BYU but still had problems. Then I remember how badly the Sam Darnold experiment went. I think the Jets need to realize that being a good college QB means they need to carry around a tablet for two or three years before they are ready to play. Look at Geno Smith... they threw him out there before he was ready and he was a disaster. Seattle gets him and a former Jets coach makes him respectable. These guys need time to adapt to the pro game. When they give a young QB time to adapt, they do better. Not everyone is a Joe Burrow who can walk onto the field and be respectable immediately. Most guys need to adapt to the game.
If Darnold had this current group of skill players around him he would have been successful. Plus he had to deal with that idiot Gase as a coach
I always knew we should’ve drafted Micah Parsons or Justin Fields or Jamar Chase. We could’ve drafted a more seasoned QB in the later rounds.
I appreciate these breakdowns. I struggle to balance giving players time, and figuring out why these things are happening to him. There’s enough blame for Zach, the coaches and inexperienced.
I don’t think he’s well coached in the offense, I also think he is way into his own head/second guessing or getting too greedy. The INT play is maddening because of how open Garrett is and I think he got greedy for the wheel for a big play, but he didn’t need that route. Left so many yards on the field. SMH
"Yes...we're doin' it." lmao
That INT to be fair to Zach it’s better to throw an out route than the Slant across the middle. It’s a Sefer throw. He felt more comfortable throwing the out route. The threw it trying to anticipate but it backfired. I think he will get better with time
Zach Wilson makes the hard throws looks easy.
The easy reads and throws, which are in more abundance than the hard ones during a game, are the ones that are costing him and his team.
He needs a really good sports psychologist to deal with the pressure he is facing.
A lot of these failures have been accentuated in the second half of the season, mainly because the running game has stalled and the pressure is failing back on him to drive his team.
The BYU plays are his comfort zone, but you cannot pull those often on NFL and you those should be your last resort.
The Jets face a dilemma:
1. Develop Zach and give him as much time to improve on those "easy reads" and potentially sacrifice other player's development and team's playoff aspirations
2. Move him to backup QB, whilst keeping M. White or potentially another seasoned QB as the top choice, whilst still allowing him to develop/improve. This also allows the Jets to develop the other offensive players.
3. Trade him
It feels to me that 2 is option Jets will take.
Consistency throws will trump Hero throws 90% of the times, and for most NFL teams with a good defense that is more than enough.
Steve McNair, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Pat Mahomes, Joe Montana all sat. They all started lots of games in college. There are exceptions of course. I've heard a successful GM say that QBs should start at least 28 games in college. Of course there are exceptions. NFL GMs are drafting guys that played half, 1 season 2 seasons in college and then throwing them into the defensive meat grinder that is the NFL. Most of these guys are not close to being ready.
I'm in NYC. Zack should have never been drafted that high. He didn't play enough in college. Add the media in the mix and he was set up to fail. If he had to play the Jets should have gotten a veteran, professional wr for him to play with. Someone that runs tight routes and has NFL savvy.
Excellent breakdown as usual.
Wilson is kind of the burden on the offensive side of things because the defense needs a moderate or okay offense at best, but the offense can’t operate without a good play caller. He’s missed some very easy passes for NFL standards or football standards in general, sometimes he does excessive things that don’t need to happen, such as, the wildly overthrown ball at the New England game. That’s just my opinion, love the videos Coach O’Sullivan keep it up!
Zach takes a lot of heat for mistakes made by his skill position players. First play is a good example of that to me. And then the last play by Elijah Moore. Lots of detail mistakes within this offense. Overall sloppy not just from the QB. Just not a tight enough operation imho.
Run game, Oline, Receivers all making mistakes. That’s coaching. OB coach and OC need to adjust. It’s week 16. They haven’t done it all year.
Put Zach with Shanny in SF and I feel like it looks a little different. JT what’s your take on how they’re game planing with Zach?
Shanahan isn't going to tolerate a QB who is slow going through progressions and misses a lot of easy throws.
on the jeff smith sideline one that is on jeff smith. When the saftey has that depth why aren’t you cutting your route a little higher to get more yards. That’s something thats wrong with zach and his chemistry. If rodgers throws that same ball his reciever runs the route far enough up the field and that looks like an incredible throw. That ones not a miss
What’s the solution? How do you coach through these issues? What’s the likelihood he can make it work? Or do you just move on? Rest of team is studs. Kid is holding everyone back.
This is what they said before the season started and the Jets are still a competitive they practically held off the Raiders and the Chargers and it’s been an incredible year ever since the tie game
7-7 on the brink of missing the playoffs
@@HBG313 No heat on this, Vegas had their number at 5 wins. Yes, missing the playoffs would be a bummer but still need to see this year as a good step.
Yikes. Can't wait to see the review of him against the Jags 😂
i am watching the houston game when he was in byu and the same slant/glance route he had to throw he hits on the second window late
Thank you, thank you, thank you ! He's not good he has a cannon arm but zero fundamentals. Ability to read defenses, his process speed is some of the worst I've seen from a number 2 pick since ever. I mean, those passes he made deep don't win you games they just look good on highlights, and that's the problem he's all flash, no substance. It's the difference between a home run hitter and Derek Jeter. A power hitter batting average is usually low, but home runs are usually high, but If the opposing team pitches around the power hitter he becomes obsolete while a guy like Derek Jeter was fantastic at the little things and could occasionally hit Homer's, his fundamentals were so great he was dangerous no matter what the opposing teams pitching and defense did against him
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I disagree with the bottom line my dude. I really think there is a coach in the league who can make him a competent NFL QB. I don’t think it’s Nate Hackett and Todd Downing and so I think it’s gotta be somewhere away from the Jets.
Great video man, Merry Christmas.
17:03 on this throw I think he anticipated the corner following garrett wilson over the middle because he flips his hips ans seems to run then he drops back anyway which leads to a misread. Not defending it because its bad but it’s understandable, not as bad as you’re painting it with your fireable offense junk. That corner doesn’t drop back and thats a td. Young qb kind of mistake.
What do you think the jets would take for Wilson? Do you think a 3rd and 6th or 3rd this year and 5th or maybe 4th next year? I'm a lions fan. The lions really need a back up. Someone like Goff who knows how to stay in the pocket and step up or slide a foot right or left. Goff is best with a clean pocket. Wilson is best with no pocket. Goff is only 28 with 2 years on his contract after this season. I also believe Wilson would be better in a dome. 2 years behind Goff might give the league it's next super star and Goff could be a high paid backup for 2 years. I actually love Goff and hate the idea of Stroud or Levis and really hate the idea of Carr or jimmy g. But Wilson in a trade means at least an interesting back up
They would do back flips for a 3rd. Probably luck to get a 6th or 7th.
@@TheQBSchool really? My thinking is that Wilson needs 2 years and to spend time with a guy who can stand in the pocket and throw intermediate passes without getting happy feet and Goff has 2 years left on his contract.
A couple weeks ago Josh Dobbs was signed to lions practice squad. Probably because lions need help dealing with running QBs. Fans are always clamoring for a dual threat QB. Fans actually wanted Detroit to use number two overall pick on Malik Willis. And earlier in the season wanted lions to use both number ones to trade to Texans for Bryce Young. Lions other back up is Nate sudfield. I'd rather have Wilson than spending a 5th on jerkovec or another QB this year.
After benching Wilson tonight down 13 with 3 minutes in the 3rd quarter for the 4th string QB he has to be done in new York. You can't get the locker room back after losing it the way he has. If the Jets would take a 5th or later then it's worth it to me.
As a Jet fan I'd happily take a 7th, just want him off the team tbh. Point me to a QB that had happy feet, terrible vision/decision making, and bad pocket movement for 2 straight years that became even a serviceable QB at any point.
Zach Wilsons combination of issues just isn't solvable. I'm sure with better OL, scheme, and time to learn on the bench, he can look better but he will always be a deeply flawed QB. You cannot fix his terrible instincts or the severe lack of poise he has.
@@yeahr1ghty he's absolute poison on the jets. It was bad before but now it's beyond the point where it can be fixed. Lamar Jackson keeps being linked with Detroit. Detroit would be a good team for a dual threat QB with a big arm. Wilson needs a total reset and pretend he's a hungry rookie who was picked 7th round. God why couldn't the jets have lost correctly and gotten Trevor Lawrence. That would be a scary team
@@nickdarr7328 Why do people want Detroit to get a new QB with the way Goff has played for them this year now that he has some weapons? Next year he will have a full season of Jameson Williams. They have one of the best offenses in the league. Their focus needs to be on improving the defense.
When QB says the buildings on fire, uh oh!
I left a comment earlier so I kind of feel bad for leaving another but I was very curious. I’m assuming but have you played QB at the collegiate or professional level? I ask because your analysis, breakdowns, and overall knowledge indicate you have. Very knowledgeable! Just found your channel but I’ll watch anything football and this is GREAT STUFF! You’ve definitely earned at least a sub from me 😊
His name is J. T. O'Sullivan. Played in the NFL for a number of seasons.
ah, Bobby . simple answer? yes. look him up.
Thank you!
Isn’t he like 22? Not a jets fan but damn seems like we give up on these guys so quickly
There's plenty of talented guys over there. If one can't do something good in a couple of years they'll find a replacement. That's how it works nowadays, finding a QB that plays well during his rookie deal is crucial to build a team around him.
Age doesn’t mean anything. If you can’t complete basic passes through two nfl off seasons now odds are you’re not going to be a good quarterback
@@MrTonyMartino true although there is a new CBA coming soon so we will see if that remains. In the current CBA they were trying to avoid the JaMarcus Russell-type contracts for rookies but now veterans are extremely unhappy.
@California Dreaming I thought I saw that Zach Wilson was ranked like 15th or something top pro style qbs in highschool in the nation and Trevor Lawrence was #1, or is that bullshit?
@California Dreaming Trevor had a chance to also 'regress' but he's been given a helluva fair shake this season with an ACTUAL offensive talent of a coach in Pederson. And he's delivered with low turnovers, consistent sound decision making and some of the tightest window throws for some big plays. He can do this because he can processes defenses post-snap very fast. And he's making high reels for Zay Jones and Evan Engram on YAC pases.
It’s a shame Zach can’t pan out cux the dude has crazy arm talent and even just last year the last 5 weeks of the season Zach was statistically the best rookie quarterback and showed massive improvement but for some reason this year he reverted backwards and now looks like he did that first 9 weeks before injury
The circumstances surrounding him with fans, players and coaches were pressuring him to compete for the playoffs; he wasn’t ready for that. The team and Jets fandom changed course on him.
11:20 I think zach tries to lead (guide) his WR’s to open area too much on the easy passes while not taking speed off of his throw. He needs to stop worrying about the extra stuff and just hit them where they are.
Wilson can make the wow throw here and there but what good is that when the basic fundamentals aren’t there. There is something to be said for just managing the game and he just doesn’t seem like he has the ability to do that at this level or he hasn’t shown it as of now
someone just has to sit him down and make him realize that the big plays are just that... the big plays. consecutive downs, run game either working or not, game decision making moments and making him understand that less is more. being less in the nfl can make you more. don't reach too high.
Scott Kenneedy, a Broncos analyst, said that Z Wilson struggled when he had more time to throw. This is unusual, maybe due to overthinking everything that is in motion? Anyway, thanks for the good video!
was that in the game against the Broncos specifically just a general comment? feels like the Broncos secondary being particularly strong might have caused him to say that. could be just a general thing though too idk.
@@killapositionz2 That comment was made just before the game vs the Broncos.
Wilson's accuracy is poor. It sucks because his arm talent is incredible! Hope he tightens it up but I don't know if he can. He might need a fresh start somewhere else.....
I've probably been as hard on ZW as anyone but MLF has to call every play to suit ZW not to suit MLF's scheme. It's really annoying when you try to force a square peg into a round hole and that sums up the Jets offense when ZW is on the field. That said ZW has to fix his accuracy.
All West Coast Offense guys are zealots for their system. You see far more openness and variety in Coyrell and Earhardt-Perkins based offenses
The scheme yields results as long as the player can execute within structure. Look at Shanahan's schemes and the revolving list of QBs that have played it. Look at what Mike McDaniel has gotten out of Tua for most of the season besides the last 3 games. It is the QBs who can't execute consistently IN the system that put themselves IN conflict. Look at Baker Mayfield who looks like a million bucks who lives with his big plays but also dies when he can't stay in the pocket. Look at Lamar before this year in terms of his pocket passing. Teams would keep him in the pocket and let him pass from there to beat him. But not anymore since he's improved in that area.
Been waiting for this for months!
Now that MW lost the opportunity in the Seahawks game, you should do a video on how bad he is and how he just lost his job.
Jets playbook. Run Run Pass Punt. I was wondering if Bill was going to figure it out
i'm hoping my team the Colts get Coach Eric Bellamy as their head coach. Would this now be a good opportunity to get Zach Wilson into or should we draft probably qb3 of the draft unless we feel strongly enough to go up a few picks and get our qb of choice. No way Houston trades us the 1 pick. so if we both have young as qb 1 then we have to settle for our number 2 or 3 choice.
Can you make a video about what's going wrong for tua
25:12 the problem with this one is him stairing it down then being hesitant because the lb dropped towards it and could have made a play. I dont think he forced it after but yeah that should have been faked and zipped before the lb could even move, again such a fixable problem
and btw the accuracy here was great from him
Rodriguez is dropping directly into the passing lane on the RPO? Coaching point almost feels like he should give to the run. 44 made up his mind, he’s passive and on his heels about to drop.
Really?
For sure - I don’t think he’s convinced that Wilson wants to give the rock. I mean he drops right where you draw window #1. Not that Wilson’s decision to force into the 2nd window is the right choice. I’ll admit that his decision making is pretty bad at times but the Jets don’t do nearly enough to help him
Why do agents let their top prospects go to bad teams without forcing a trade or otherwise?
"You know what, I'm gonna give it everything I have, you know, I worked as hard as I could for this moment and there's not another team I'd wanna play for besides the Jets. So I'm gonna give it everything I have and we're gonna be a special team baby, we're going for the Super Bowl."
- Zack Wilson after being drafted in 2021.
Garrett Wilson is wide open a lot in this video. If he gets some better QB play he can be a great player.
Could you imagine Justin Fields throwing to him.
His route running and separation ability is insane. It's crazy how much more of a threat he instantly became those weeks when Mike White started, hell even starting the season with Flacco
I like the honesty...why are the throws that are good SO RARE... smfh
i thought he was leading jeff smith out at 14:12 but couldve been a miss
FYI, it’s pretty cute, i realize the cross field bomb he threw that literally was the pro day throw but teams have also been calling that the last half decade if they have a dude who can sling it…
I'm NOT athletic at my age, but when I see an NFL QB missing throws that I could actually make consistently it is a problem, especially when he is missing them badly. I fully understand that defenders often force QB's to miss throws they should easily complete, and those misses are perfectly understandable. The bigger problem is it seems that Wilson isn't improving. NO quarterback plays perfectly, but the great ones are always striving to get better and DO get better. Mahomes and Allen are BOTH better QB's than they were a few years ago, especially Allen. Coaches can live with a talented but raw young QB, especially if they are coachable and show signs of steady improvement. When they fail to improve it appears that their ceiling is low enough for them to be a liability, which forces teams to ultimately move on from them.
He needs to work on his Footwork and base in the offseason. It's the reason why he's so inaccurate.
he doesnt seem like he knows the offense
Thanks, JTO.
No worries!
The knee injury set him back a lot and it came at the worst time
Stop making excuses for this bum
He would be a good fit for the AZ. Cardinals...
JT, is it coaching or the player? Urban and Trevor were and extreme example of bad coaching. Is Zach salvageable
Thor is blocked by the center🤣🤣🤣
Where do you get these different camera angles of these games? I’d like to be able to see how the titans really play
all 22. anyone can pay to watch it