To be fair, Batman threatened Victor by to poor out his life sustaining liquid when he met him at the museum, stating that today is not a good day to test him.. Of course we be audience know Batman was bluffing and would’ve never let Victor die, but Victor would likely fear Batman would prioritize stopping Joker over saving Nora. So Fries’ plan during the fight is likely to threaten Batman’s life by withholding the cure and force him to go save Nora immediately. However, with that in mind, it’s still a weak explanation. I think it would’ve been better if, since Joker has Nora, Perhaps joker states that he will kill Nora unless Freeze brings Batman & the cure to him at the Steel Mill.
@comicfan1324 But again, as they point out, Batman had not only kept his word to him twice, but also established as someone who won't kill or let anyone die. So I think even Freeze in his distress over Nora would recognize that Batman only threatened him earlier due to the urgency. And that he would most likely save Nora given who he is & that she's being kept with Joker anyway. Especially because this point in the story, there's nothing to stop Joker from btw, aside from the blood transfusions that were being handled by Robin. Batman only went after Joker to hand him the cure & the latter only had a plan after Talia showed up. I think however, that your alternative of Joker blackmailing Freeze with Nora to bring Batman works & is much more sensible idea that was just right there. I wonder why they didn't go for it.
I've heard the same criticisms about story context of the boss fight over the years but this is the first time I'm seeing one that also critiques it mechanically. It's a change of pace & you bring up a lot of valid points, including the one about its replayability & ease that I've always felt but never quite articulated into words or proper thoughts. I also like your ideas for improving it that tackle its aforementioned issue of ease on once one is aware of all the tactics & the reality of it being mostly a game of "bait & wait" sets in on subsequent playthroughs. Another one I had, though IKD if or how it'll work within the larger boss or if it makes sense at all, is having Freeze gradually drop the room temperature to below freezing throughout that it starts eating away at Batman's health. Putting more stress on the player & forcing them to try to wrap the encounter fast - like Batman would be in this case. Maybe it's something to only have for harder difficulties. Also I'm curious, you mentioned your gripe with the station lab being reused & offering too much verticality, do you have any idea (even if general) what sort of arena you would've liked to replace with it or would be more conducive to a challenging boss fight in your opinion? It doesn't even have to be an existing area in the game.
@@themadtitan7603 thank you for the feedback!! It means a lot And honestly they wouldn’t have to change much Say for example Freeze completely blocks off doorways or pathways with walls of ice or something - just a little extra for you to worry about
@@TheGamingRift11 I appreciated you providing new constructive criticism on a boss fight I considered one of the best in one of my favorite games of all time after 13 years now. And I see, I think the same arena which provides some level of familiarity works to even the odds in this hypothetical version where the boss fight would be more challenging. Just blocking the doorways, walkways, and railings so the setting is altered more works for me & addresses one thing I always felt about the fight which you addressed: not pushing the boundaries of Freeze's cryokinesis more when his goal would be to essentially trap Batman inside.
This feels like a case of the devs wanting their cake and eating it too. They wanted to have Victor take part in Batman's search for a cure but they also wanted to give fans the opportunity to fight this iconic villain, but they didn't know how to do it in a way that made sense so they just pulled out the "he doesn't trust him" card. It's a bit of a relief to know I'm not the only who doesn't think this boss fight isn't as great as people make it out to be because I've been carrying similar thoughts for years.
A lot of Arkham City feels like that. It's a game (and I say this about it as one of my favorite titles ever) that's primarily concerned with the gameplay & wish-fulfillment train and lays down the story tracks afterwards imo. When I think the best narrative-driven games try to consistently strike a balance of both. Also people have been critiquing the story element of this boss fight for years, even those who otherwise praise the overall boss fight. It's the mechanical aspect of it that I think I'm first hearing being constructively critiqued.
As much as everyone loves this boss fight, I never understood what the point was of Freeze attacking Batman. He was perfectly happy with making his cure but then just decides not to give it to him, and attacks him despite being his only good chance at finding Nora...
Freeze doesn't really think. Thats one of his main character tropes. He does what he thinks will work at the time to save Nora (which was forcing Batman to save her) and then when he refuses he acts out of his anger issues and attacks him
Here's a very simple way of fixing the writing problems in this scene: Have Freeze give Batman the cure that he's holding, and then hold the rest hostage. Batman refuses to help knowing how many other lives are at stake. Thus commence the fight.
Victor attacked Batman so suddenly because he's desperate. We know that he's emotionally unstable and only wants to find a cure for Nora. If she's in danger, he panics, and wants to make sure she's ok. He attacked Batman out of desperation because Joker's men had Nora. I think he knew deep down that Batman would win the fight, but his emotions and fears clouded his mind, hence why he attacked so suddenly. This is the best explanation I can come up for this.
From my perspective, Victor never struck me as emotionally unstable. Obsessive & willing to go extreme ends to save his wife, but not exactly emotionally unstable. Plus at this point, Batman has made his word to him twice & established himself as a protector who wouldn't let anyone die, prioritizing Nora in from of him at the end of CCH even when they've been at odds. I think even in his emotional distress, he'd be able to recognize that Batman wouldn't let Nora die, especially since she's on the way to Joker regardless.
Arkham has always on some level struggled with making good bosses, as far as stealth bosses it really only has two decent ones: Freeze and TN1 Bane. Jason you fight his army more so than you fight him. Croc and Scarecrow I've mentinoed before don't count as bosses to me because you don't actually fight them, causing them to sit somewhere between a level hazard and an enemy to me with Scarecrow being mostly a level hazard.
I personally enjoyed the Origins freeze fight more, it just felt more big and grand compared to the city freeze boss fight. Also I felt like if I got caught by origins freeze he would actually do some damage but with city freeze he felt like he did little damage if he saw me. But I still like city freeze, I think it’s good having a unique boss fight like that in a near perfect game
I saw the title of this video and was like,"Oooohhh...controversial!" The ingenious tactic you've employed in order to attain a firm hold on my attention has proven to be insanely effective.
As someone considers this fight overrated, it doesn't actually come close to what people describe until you play it on new game+ as the increased health Freeze has makes you use more takedowns than you normally would have to, I still think he's the best boss gameplay wise. This is partially because I don't consider Killer Croc a boss as you don't actually fight him, also much like Freeze as long as you don't play like an idiot you'll never see Croc outside of scripted encounters.
I never understood why freeze does not just let batman do his thing, how does he know joker will keep his word and this will help at all. I MEAN IN ARKHAM KNIGHT HE DID THE RIGHT THING AND LET BATS COOK
I can kinda explain it, he doesn't really trust Batman but started trusting Batman once he saved Nora from Joker's men hence the reasoning for the differences in Knight
@@NukeADuke2005 But as the video points out, Batman has already been established to be someone who never kills or would let anyone die. Including prioritizing Nora at the end of CCH even when they've been at odds up to that point. Plus, he'd already made his word twice by this point by bringing Penguin + the Freeze suit & the cure.
Well it was not perfect, but it’s in character for Freeze to act based on emotional impulses. So when he had a leverage on Batman through cure, he used it, because he is still paranoid psycho, no matter how pure his desire to safe his wife is. Again it’s far from perfect, but it’s not completely senseless
I think acting emotionally makes sense given his circumstance, but I think the problem comes from the fact that these two very much have history both in this game before the fight & in the years prior to it. One where Batman has shown to keep good on his word twice & unwillingness to let anyone die. He even got a first hand account years earlier in one of their first encounters of Batman prioritizing his wife at the finale of CCH even when they've been at odds until then.
@@TheGamingRift11 would love if you did a video on that would be really interesting on how you see that fight as far superior? Cause all I had to do in that fight was sneak up on bane again and again and again and it got harder yes but the strategy was the same however with Freeze I had to use all my options cause I did new game + and damn the fight is challenging and fun I had such a blast using all the strategies I could come up with that might work
@@freezasama5802 I was thinking the same thing. Both are fun boss fights that have the player employ different ways to take on the opponent & to avoid using the same technique more than once but ultimately are fairly easy once you get to subsequent playthroughs. So as of now, I don't see how TN-1 fight could be better based on their critiques here. If anything, as you said, the Mr. Freeze fight is less inherently repetitive as the Bane fight is ultimately about sneaking up on him in some way.
@@themadtitan7603 well said man my thoughts exactly I mean for the Bane one you could have him becomd faster and more aggressive instead of the 10 min timer the game gives you do it in 5 mins it would give the player a sense of urgency and fear cause if they don't defeat bane in 5 minutes they lose and it would make it challenging
The hard difficulty is not the hardest difficulty in the game. New Game+ is the hardest difficulty in the game. So that alone invalidates this whole video.
@@NoLand5624 it does matter because he did mention that you don't get to use all the ways to take him down. But you do get 10 out of the 13 possible ways if you play New Game+
Yeah I completely agree, I think maby in the future they could remake the arkham games and reworked this boos fight, but let's be real here, its gonna be ruined, or never happen.
10:25 you say that the boss fight isn’t replayable because people will chose the same tactics most of the time but then says darks souls has replay ability because there are different builds. You clearly aren’t apart of the Dark souls community if you think people don’t just use the same Min/Max build every time. The freeze boss fight works because it’s an immersive game that encourages different routes to do more badass takedowns/fights. And the most badass takedowns are the ones we haven’t scene yet so why wouldn’t we try new takedown routes
You couldn’t be more wrong. And yes I am a dark souls fan thank you. Freeze offers no incentive at all to try better takedowns as all of them do the same damage “Badass” is a subjective feeling and is a player by player basis. I’m sure you did feel badass doing your own creative methods but thats still subjective and not at all reflective of what the fight incentivises you to do objectively
@@TheGamingRift11To be fair until Arkham Knight this very same issue was present in the combat. There was no reason to incorporate your gadgets into combat because your fists worked just as well. Despite this the combat was praised. The only reason to differentiate your attacks was to bypass shield enemies and such but those always boiled down to punching. The gadgets just weren’t necessary. While Knight did fix this the combat was already highly loved before that. Basically the main appeal of these games is in being a badass super hero. Regardless of how subjective that is it seems to have been the deciding factor in these games success. If the majority of people felt badass doing basic takedowns on Mr. Freeze then the fight accomplished what it set out to do. By the way I’m not a “Mr. Freeze boss fight is the best” believer. I’m just pointing this out.
Agreed. I love that there's a trust between them now in how Freezes trusts Batman to get Nora & when he initially aims down at Batman, the latter simply asks him to take his shot if he trusts them rather than instigate a fight. His story is also more emotional & character-driven than mostly being a way to push the plot forward & as a way to have players fight against another villain.
Freeze has ALWAYS had dumb characters arcs. Considering his backstory (especially in the arkham verse) there's literally no reason for Bruce to not help him waaaaaay more with Nora. In what world, after the events of arkham origins, does Bruce not provide freeze with a lab and stable, peaceful working environment?
I've wondered this for a while. I'd think following Freeze's first appearance onto the scene in Cold, Cold Heart & in any adaptation, Bruce would place Nora in some state-of-the-art facility & fund the research for the cure. Then when Freeze is out of prison, he could just resume his work in a high-tech lab surrounded by other doctors who've been researching for years & financial aid.
Cmon, you don't need to rely on click bait. Be better than that. Everything can be made better in hindsight, but the couples thing I agree with is that he should of just disabled detective vision entirely if you used it too much. He should do it a lot sooner than he does aswell. Saying he should of changed the arena more is also a good point. Thought I think it should of been an altered version of the same room, since it being a room we've already explored before makes it more familiar. The main problem I have with this video is that you seem to have played the boss fight so much that you have deciphered everything that it can offer, and are now disappointed that it doesn't offer anything more. When the bossfight needs you to think to win, and you've already done all the thinking in the past, off course its not going to feel as fun to play. You've already beat it. If the boss fight relied on quick reflexes it wouldn't be the same. Your point about dark souls bosses does not apply whatsoever, the games are so different that they should never be compared like this.
Firstly I didn’t and will never clickbait Secondly I studied the fight in great detail to make sure I didn’t misrepresent any evidence Thirdly the dark souls analogy is applicable given that those games give strong incentives to approach the boss in different ways - which Arkham doesn’t do for Freeze
I don't think they clickbaited. If they did, it'd be something like "Why Mr. Freeze In Arkham City Sucks" or "...Is The Worst" imo, rather than simply stating that it doesn't work which is further elaborated on in the video story-wise & mechanically. Not that I'm necessarily saying I agree that it just doesn't work but I do see the flaws in it clearly now with how GamingRift described them & see where it could've been made to be more dynamic & challenging by push the limits of Freeze's cryokinesis abilities more.
It is not just mr freeze that doesn't work, all of the games have bad writing. Batman is a good example for not only the games' inconsistencies in his intellect, but also making him do dumb stuff for the entire plot to happen. His idiotic behavior, coupled with his non existent attempt at keeping his identity hidden Shows that the arkham games are bad and at best they are average.
@@dawudabdulali3827 1. In the steel Mill, when he is going into joker's room, he doesn't take a look around nor does he use detective Vision to get a better understanding of his surroundings. He has just been attacked when he tried to get inside the first time, meaning it is very likely that he would also be attacked after he has gotten inside. He should have used detective Vision when entering the room, instead of only doing so for Joker's perceived dead body. Had he done so, he would have seen clayface joker in the corner from which he jumped at him. It is dumb of batman to just walk up to harley, instead of taking a look around and being absolutely Sure that it was safe. 2. When he encountered scarecrow for the first time in Asylum he should have used a Gas mask. In the arkham origins dlc, bruce was seen wearing a suit that covered his mouth and nose with a mask. He could have simply built this Feature into his suit from arkham asylum, to make Sure he always has protection in case of a Gas attack. Batman is said to be an inventor, so it shouldn't be hard for him to give his future suits this Upgrade. Had he done this, he could have simply used that face mask to protect himself from crane's fear Toxin. Due to the fact that Gas masks are only useless against crane's new Version of his fear Toxin in knight, it is entirely possible that, had Batman used a Gas mask, he would have been completely fine. 3. Batman is said to be a master of all physical sciences, this would include chemistry. "Mastery of the physical sciences." Taken from his Bio in arkham asylum. Given this fact, Batman could have tried to recreate a weaker Version of crane's fear Toxin to get his body to adapt to it, similar to a vaccine. Since fear Toxin can be used in liquid Form, along with batman's mastery over chemistry, he should be able to Do that and gain an immunity against crane's Toxin. Though i could definetely be wrong on this one
To be fair, Batman threatened Victor by to poor out his life sustaining liquid when he met him at the museum, stating that today is not a good day to test him..
Of course we be audience know Batman was bluffing and would’ve never let Victor die, but Victor would likely fear Batman would prioritize stopping Joker over saving Nora. So Fries’ plan during the fight is likely to threaten Batman’s life by withholding the cure and force him to go save Nora immediately.
However, with that in mind, it’s still a weak explanation. I think it would’ve been better if, since Joker has Nora, Perhaps joker states that he will kill Nora unless Freeze brings Batman & the cure to him at the Steel Mill.
@comicfan1324 But again, as they point out, Batman had not only kept his word to him twice, but also established as someone who won't kill or let anyone die.
So I think even Freeze in his distress over Nora would recognize that Batman only threatened him earlier due to the urgency. And that he would most likely save Nora given who he is & that she's being kept with Joker anyway.
Especially because this point in the story, there's nothing to stop Joker from btw, aside from the blood transfusions that were being handled by Robin. Batman only went after Joker to hand him the cure & the latter only had a plan after Talia showed up.
I think however, that your alternative of Joker blackmailing Freeze with Nora to bring Batman works & is much more sensible idea that was just right there. I wonder why they didn't go for it.
I've heard the same criticisms about story context of the boss fight over the years but this is the first time I'm seeing one that also critiques it mechanically. It's a change of pace & you bring up a lot of valid points, including the one about its replayability & ease that I've always felt but never quite articulated into words or proper thoughts.
I also like your ideas for improving it that tackle its aforementioned issue of ease on once one is aware of all the tactics & the reality of it being mostly a game of "bait & wait" sets in on subsequent playthroughs. Another one I had, though IKD if or how it'll work within the larger boss or if it makes sense at all, is having Freeze gradually drop the room temperature to below freezing throughout that it starts eating away at Batman's health. Putting more stress on the player & forcing them to try to wrap the encounter fast - like Batman would be in this case. Maybe it's something to only have for harder difficulties.
Also I'm curious, you mentioned your gripe with the station lab being reused & offering too much verticality, do you have any idea (even if general) what sort of arena you would've liked to replace with it or would be more conducive to a challenging boss fight in your opinion? It doesn't even have to be an existing area in the game.
@@themadtitan7603 thank you for the feedback!! It means a lot
And honestly they wouldn’t have to change much
Say for example Freeze completely blocks off doorways or pathways with walls of ice or something - just a little extra for you to worry about
@@TheGamingRift11 I appreciated you providing new constructive criticism on a boss fight I considered one of the best in one of my favorite games of all time after 13 years now.
And I see, I think the same arena which provides some level of familiarity works to even the odds in this hypothetical version where the boss fight would be more challenging.
Just blocking the doorways, walkways, and railings so the setting is altered more works for me & addresses one thing I always felt about the fight which you addressed: not pushing the boundaries of Freeze's cryokinesis more when his goal would be to essentially trap Batman inside.
This feels like a case of the devs wanting their cake and eating it too.
They wanted to have Victor take part in Batman's search for a cure but they also wanted to give fans the opportunity to fight this iconic villain, but they didn't know how to do it in a way that made sense so they just pulled out the "he doesn't trust him" card.
It's a bit of a relief to know I'm not the only who doesn't think this boss fight isn't as great as people make it out to be because I've been carrying similar thoughts for years.
A lot of Arkham City feels like that. It's a game (and I say this about it as one of my favorite titles ever) that's primarily concerned with the gameplay & wish-fulfillment train and lays down the story tracks afterwards imo. When I think the best narrative-driven games try to consistently strike a balance of both.
Also people have been critiquing the story element of this boss fight for years, even those who otherwise praise the overall boss fight. It's the mechanical aspect of it that I think I'm first hearing being constructively critiqued.
As much as everyone loves this boss fight, I never understood what the point was of Freeze attacking Batman. He was perfectly happy with making his cure but then just decides not to give it to him, and attacks him despite being his only good chance at finding Nora...
Freeze doesn't really think. Thats one of his main character tropes. He does what he thinks will work at the time to save Nora (which was forcing Batman to save her) and then when he refuses he acts out of his anger issues and attacks him
Here's a very simple way of fixing the writing problems in this scene:
Have Freeze give Batman the cure that he's holding, and then hold the rest hostage. Batman refuses to help knowing how many other lives are at stake. Thus commence the fight.
Or as another comment suggested, have Joker blackmail Freeze using Nora to bring Batman & the cure.
Gotta love the Sonic Unleashed music in this video👌
Never allow bro cook again
lmao
Explain
Yeah Mr Freezes fight was only memorable of not being able to use the same attacks twice
Try playing it on New Game+ and then say the fight is not good lmao.
@@Dhruv-qw7jfthese issues outlined in the video are arguably at their worst in NG+
Whether that makes the fight “bad” is a matter of opinion.
It’s is the best fight in the game
@@Dhruv-qw7jf ah hell yeah my favorite boss fight
*looking up a guide*
Victor attacked Batman so suddenly because he's desperate. We know that he's emotionally unstable and only wants to find a cure for Nora. If she's in danger, he panics, and wants to make sure she's ok. He attacked Batman out of desperation because Joker's men had Nora. I think he knew deep down that Batman would win the fight, but his emotions and fears clouded his mind, hence why he attacked so suddenly.
This is the best explanation I can come up for this.
From my perspective, Victor never struck me as emotionally unstable. Obsessive & willing to go extreme ends to save his wife, but not exactly emotionally unstable. Plus at this point, Batman has made his word to him twice & established himself as a protector who wouldn't let anyone die, prioritizing Nora in from of him at the end of CCH even when they've been at odds.
I think even in his emotional distress, he'd be able to recognize that Batman wouldn't let Nora die, especially since she's on the way to Joker regardless.
@@themadtitan7603 Desperation makes people be blinded by their emotions.
W vid puffer, your the goat, always speaking FAX.
Arkham has always on some level struggled with making good bosses, as far as stealth bosses it really only has two decent ones: Freeze and TN1 Bane. Jason you fight his army more so than you fight him. Croc and Scarecrow I've mentinoed before don't count as bosses to me because you don't actually fight them, causing them to sit somewhere between a level hazard and an enemy to me with Scarecrow being mostly a level hazard.
I personally enjoyed the Origins freeze fight more, it just felt more big and grand compared to the city freeze boss fight. Also I felt like if I got caught by origins freeze he would actually do some damage but with city freeze he felt like he did little damage if he saw me. But I still like city freeze, I think it’s good having a unique boss fight like that in a near perfect game
The funny thing is,the game would've ended much quicker if they just talked it out. But hey,cool boss fight
Tbh I thought the jammer only took out your detective mode on NG+ lmao even hard mode must have very generous detective mode time
I thought that was the case too but I double checked the wiki page and the fight and apparently not 🤷♂️
I saw the title of this video and was like,"Oooohhh...controversial!"
The ingenious tactic you've employed in order to attain a firm hold on my attention has proven to be insanely effective.
It’s a 2 trick pony boss fight. The excitement is gone after NG+.
As someone considers this fight overrated, it doesn't actually come close to what people describe until you play it on new game+ as the increased health Freeze has makes you use more takedowns than you normally would have to, I still think he's the best boss gameplay wise. This is partially because I don't consider Killer Croc a boss as you don't actually fight him, also much like Freeze as long as you don't play like an idiot you'll never see Croc outside of scripted encounters.
You should definitely play the Arkham Origins DLC one day
Whars your opinion on the arkham origins mr freeze bossfight?
I never understood why freeze does not just let batman do his thing, how does he know joker will keep his word and this will help at all. I MEAN IN ARKHAM KNIGHT HE DID THE RIGHT THING AND LET BATS COOK
I can kinda explain it, he doesn't really trust Batman but started trusting Batman once he saved Nora from Joker's men hence the reasoning for the differences in Knight
@@NukeADuke2005 But as the video points out, Batman has already been established to be someone who never kills or would let anyone die. Including prioritizing Nora at the end of CCH even when they've been at odds up to that point. Plus, he'd already made his word twice by this point by bringing Penguin + the Freeze suit & the cure.
I hope you at least watched the whole thing before commenting 😂
Um, yeah, I def wacthed the whole thing before commenting.........
Yes, I watched the entire video. And I gotta say, you made a lot of good and interesting points.
Well it was not perfect, but it’s in character for Freeze to act based on emotional impulses. So when he had a leverage on Batman through cure, he used it, because he is still paranoid psycho, no matter how pure his desire to safe his wife is. Again it’s far from perfect, but it’s not completely senseless
I think acting emotionally makes sense given his circumstance, but I think the problem comes from the fact that these two very much have history both in this game before the fight & in the years prior to it. One where Batman has shown to keep good on his word twice & unwillingness to let anyone die. He even got a first hand account years earlier in one of their first encounters of Batman prioritizing his wife at the finale of CCH even when they've been at odds until then.
Just put the fries in the bag
What is bro waffling about
@@Batmanwhodrinks and the award for most pointless comment goes too….. 🏆
Listening ain’t hard
A Very COLD Take....
Ice cold.
A very hot take I would say, not very cold at all.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf hot take maybe. But it’s based on evidence
@@TheGamingRift11 I am cringing to death rn
OK I give it to ya the story doesn't make much sense but the boss fight is still the best
Tbh I don’t even consider the fight to be the best
I think TN-1 Bane >> Freeze but that’s a topic for another day
@@TheGamingRift11 would love if you did a video on that would be really interesting on how you see that fight as far superior? Cause all I had to do in that fight was sneak up on bane again and again and again and it got harder yes but the strategy was the same however with Freeze I had to use all my options cause I did new game + and damn the fight is challenging and fun I had such a blast using all the strategies I could come up with that might work
@@freezasama5802 I was thinking the same thing. Both are fun boss fights that have the player employ different ways to take on the opponent & to avoid using the same technique more than once but ultimately are fairly easy once you get to subsequent playthroughs. So as of now, I don't see how TN-1 fight could be better based on their critiques here. If anything, as you said, the Mr. Freeze fight is less inherently repetitive as the Bane fight is ultimately about sneaking up on him in some way.
@@themadtitan7603 well said man my thoughts exactly I mean for the Bane one you could have him becomd faster and more aggressive instead of the 10 min timer the game gives you do it in 5 mins it would give the player a sense of urgency and fear cause if they don't defeat bane in 5 minutes they lose and it would make it challenging
The hard difficulty is not the hardest difficulty in the game. New Game+ is the hardest difficulty in the game. So that alone invalidates this whole video.
That literally doesn’t matter
Tell me you didn't wacth the vid without telling me 😂
@@dawudabdulali3827 I did finish it.
@@NoLand5624 it does matter because he did mention that you don't get to use all the ways to take him down. But you do get 10 out of the 13 possible ways if you play New Game+
@@Dhruv-qw7jf he never said that?
Js perfect
Yeah I completely agree, I think maby in the future they could remake the arkham games and reworked this boos fight, but let's be real here, its gonna be ruined, or never happen.
10:25 you say that the boss fight isn’t replayable because people will chose the same tactics most of the time but then says darks souls has replay ability because there are different builds. You clearly aren’t apart of the Dark souls community if you think people don’t just use the same Min/Max build every time. The freeze boss fight works because it’s an immersive game that encourages different routes to do more badass takedowns/fights. And the most badass takedowns are the ones we haven’t scene yet so why wouldn’t we try new takedown routes
You couldn’t be more wrong. And yes I am a dark souls fan thank you.
Freeze offers no incentive at all to try better takedowns as all of them do the same damage
“Badass” is a subjective feeling and is a player by player basis. I’m sure you did feel badass doing your own creative methods but thats still subjective and not at all reflective of what the fight incentivises you to do objectively
@@TheGamingRift11To be fair until Arkham Knight this very same issue was present in the combat. There was no reason to incorporate your gadgets into combat because your fists worked just as well. Despite this the combat was praised. The only reason to differentiate your attacks was to bypass shield enemies and such but those always boiled down to punching. The gadgets just weren’t necessary. While Knight did fix this the combat was already highly loved before that.
Basically the main appeal of these games is in being a badass super hero. Regardless of how subjective that is it seems to have been the deciding factor in these games success. If the majority of people felt badass doing basic takedowns on Mr. Freeze then the fight accomplished what it set out to do. By the way I’m not a “Mr. Freeze boss fight is the best” believer. I’m just pointing this out.
@@pilotmender043 I agree Knight did improve things
Cool
Knight freeze is way better
Story wise ? Yeah I agree.
Agreed. I love that there's a trust between them now in how Freezes trusts Batman to get Nora & when he initially aims down at Batman, the latter simply asks him to take his shot if he trusts them rather than instigate a fight.
His story is also more emotional & character-driven than mostly being a way to push the plot forward & as a way to have players fight against another villain.
Freeze has ALWAYS had dumb characters arcs. Considering his backstory (especially in the arkham verse) there's literally no reason for Bruce to not help him waaaaaay more with Nora. In what world, after the events of arkham origins, does Bruce not provide freeze with a lab and stable, peaceful working environment?
He hasn’t ALWAYS had dumb character arcs. Some versions are legitimately great
I've wondered this for a while. I'd think following Freeze's first appearance onto the scene in Cold, Cold Heart & in any adaptation, Bruce would place Nora in some state-of-the-art facility & fund the research for the cure. Then when Freeze is out of prison, he could just resume his work in a high-tech lab surrounded by other doctors who've been researching for years & financial aid.
@@themadtitan7603 exactly
Is there a lore reason why Frozone tries freeze Man’s ball? is he stupid?
Cmon, you don't need to rely on click bait. Be better than that.
Everything can be made better in hindsight, but the couples thing I agree with is that he should of just disabled detective vision entirely if you used it too much. He should do it a lot sooner than he does aswell. Saying he should of changed the arena more is also a good point. Thought I think it should of been an altered version of the same room, since it being a room we've already explored before makes it more familiar.
The main problem I have with this video is that you seem to have played the boss fight so much that you have deciphered everything that it can offer, and are now disappointed that it doesn't offer anything more. When the bossfight needs you to think to win, and you've already done all the thinking in the past, off course its not going to feel as fun to play. You've already beat it. If the boss fight relied on quick reflexes it wouldn't be the same.
Your point about dark souls bosses does not apply whatsoever, the games are so different that they should never be compared like this.
Firstly I didn’t and will never clickbait
Secondly I studied the fight in great detail to make sure I didn’t misrepresent any evidence
Thirdly the dark souls analogy is applicable given that those games give strong incentives to approach the boss in different ways - which Arkham doesn’t do for Freeze
I don't think they clickbaited. If they did, it'd be something like "Why Mr. Freeze In Arkham City Sucks" or "...Is The Worst" imo, rather than simply stating that it doesn't work which is further elaborated on in the video story-wise & mechanically. Not that I'm necessarily saying I agree that it just doesn't work but I do see the flaws in it clearly now with how GamingRift described them & see where it could've been made to be more dynamic & challenging by push the limits of Freeze's cryokinesis abilities more.
it is oudated
Poor writing? Aka the entire story of city? I don’t know why people praise this game for having the best story in the arkham series
It is not just mr freeze that doesn't work, all of the games have bad writing. Batman is a good example for not only the games' inconsistencies in his intellect, but also making him do dumb stuff for the entire plot to happen. His idiotic behavior, coupled with his non existent attempt at keeping his identity hidden Shows that the arkham games are bad and at best they are average.
Bro what ? Yeah no, that isn't very true.
@@dawudabdulali3827 Isn't very true? So you agree with some of it, hence you using the Word 'very,' right?
@djb9267 no, this isn't true, idiotic behavior literally how ?
Not true what so ever was there a chance you were high while commenting this
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1. In the steel Mill, when he is going into joker's room, he doesn't take a look around nor does he use detective Vision to get a better understanding of his surroundings. He has just been attacked when he tried to get inside the first time, meaning it is very likely that he would also be attacked after he has gotten inside. He should have used detective Vision when entering the room, instead of only doing so for Joker's perceived dead body. Had he done so, he would have seen clayface joker in the corner from which he jumped at him. It is dumb of batman to just walk up to harley, instead of taking a look around and being absolutely Sure that it was safe.
2. When he encountered scarecrow for the first time in Asylum he should have used a Gas mask. In the arkham origins dlc, bruce was seen wearing a suit that covered his mouth and nose with a mask. He could have simply built this Feature into his suit from arkham asylum, to make Sure he always has protection in case of a Gas attack. Batman is said to be an inventor, so it shouldn't be hard for him to give his future suits this Upgrade. Had he done this, he could have simply used that face mask to protect himself from crane's fear Toxin. Due to the fact that Gas masks are only useless against crane's new Version of his fear Toxin in knight, it is entirely possible that, had Batman used a Gas mask, he would have been completely fine.
3. Batman is said to be a master of all physical sciences, this would include chemistry.
"Mastery of the physical sciences."
Taken from his Bio in arkham asylum.
Given this fact, Batman could have tried to recreate a weaker Version of crane's fear Toxin to get his body to adapt to it, similar to a vaccine. Since fear Toxin can be used in liquid Form, along with batman's mastery over chemistry, he should be able to Do that and gain an immunity against crane's Toxin. Though i could definetely be wrong on this one