They're pretty good and also did you watch a video about what happens if a needle hits the Earth at the speed of light and not only will cause a lot of damage to the Earth but if it hits a human then your entire body is annihilated like disrupting the bonds between subatomic particles that is responsible for holding our bodies together and also we wouldn't even notice Sonic hitting us at all at the speed of light he might as well take out our hearts and we wouldn't even notice the effects of having our hearts taken out I mean really Sonic can easily do that to Mario because he cannot react to anything that is faster than light anyway and I only play Galaxy once a Mario never did anything that is universal at all and also Bowser was making another galaxy system for himself to rule at least before ruling the universe no that doesn't make him universal like being a ruler means you have to rule a kingdom and for him the rule that Kingdom of the universe he would have to go to every Galaxy system and then dominate every system there is right there but that doesn't make him universal himself and also Mario taking out the grand star that was powering his machine was the very thing that got the universe nearly destroyed and before the universe was completely destroyed a bunch of lumas sacrifice their lives to keep the universe from being permanently destroyed and the reason why Mario and the other cast survive the entire thing was because of Rosalina so no they did not create a new universe they just remake the same universe back to the way it was before it was getting destroyed just by Mario taking out the grand star
This guy said that Sonic's best speed feat was outrunning that black hole, but in Generations, he was able to restore time with his speed alone. Essentially, he goes so fast that the very laws of time bend to him. I doubt Mario would even be able to land a hit.
@@josanchez1536 yes he did after a while later game papaer mario escaped it casually also you can get mad if you want but ur people sega literally repeated themselves multiple times that sonic is only sound speed and super sonic is sub light speed but you could highball with scaling but it wouldn't debunk sonic's statements from sega and only lightspeed was said by omega and sonic mind oyu metal sonic is eggmans best creation yet metal only fr is shown sound speed even eith a try harding sonic metal matches and mirror his speed (also metals a carrier just sayin)
@@josanchez1536 i think the sonic characters beating mario characters don't really know how busted they mario characters are like reality warping with a snap (aka mario did)
Man attempted to explain how and why Mario beats Sonic yet contradicts himself, overwanks Mario, never shows and ignores all the other feats for both characters, and severely downplays both Sonic AND Mario while heavily relying on gameplay mechanics and moments+scenes from the games taken out of context. His entire video is just certified fanboying
Exactly. He said Sonic being one-tapped by Giganto makes him "fodder" when it's literally common knowledge that the Titans are Super Form Level and Sonic got up like it was nothing after a few minutes
@@AnimationDude_ And with each Titan outscaling infinite and the phantom ruby with Eggman in a canon prequel comic states is more powerful than the Master Emerald itself.
Death battle took notes with this dude’s video. Ain’t no way hyper sonic, a form stronger than super sonic that surpasses base sonic, who is ALREADY far more durable and faster than Mario, lost to Mario.
How do we gauge the power of hyper sonic compared to super? Saying something vague like “hyper is just stronger” doesn’t really give us an accurate representation.
To people who say "hyper sonic is not cannon because it was just something to get after getting all the chaos and super emeralds" they said the same thing about super sonic and sonic 3 and knuckles are cannon so ya.
Like even if we assume it's just an ordinary black hole, it was expanding RAPIDLY. I could post the math here but for it to be expanding at the rate it was there had to been massive amounts of matter being consumed from the time it was created to the time it caught up to sonic, making it insanely strong. You made my night, thank you.
Sonic shadow and silver needed to work together but it was in different timelines. Silver fought Solaris in the future, shadow in the past, and sonic in the present and they were able to defeat a being that destroyed dimensions. Why did he shove that out quickly??
even if they did it at the same time, thats still 3 hedgehogs vs a god, that alone gives sonic 1/3rd of the power needed to kill a god. he has the power of 1/3rd of a god.
@@AnakinRodrigues All of them were stronger than Solaris keep in mind, we see this as Silver's attacks are just Solaris' amped up and thrown back at him and they do less damage than Sonic and Shadow's attacks. Not to mention the fact that Solaris gets desperate as the fight reaches it's climax, spamming attacks to keep them away [also, Solaris' attacks remain even if you switch to another character, so it's fair to assume those are temporally omnipresent like Solaris, and they are casually able to be dodged by the player giving Shadow, Silver and Sonic the ability to react to attacks that are temporally omnipresent. (Speed is INSANE)] Not to mention, Solaris gets overcame by Secret Rings, that's how powerful Sonic characters are, that by the very next game they pretty much gain insane powers, even the Egg Dragoon from Unleashed would STOMP Solaris.
@@ElijahS-r5rif anything he don't even need a super form to beat Mario and don't forget Sonic is faster than light if anything just by him punching Mario at the speed of light he is just going to be annihilated since you generate a lot of kinetic energy when moving at the speed of light which will cause a small crater that is even bigger than the biggest nukes because once something at the speed of light builds up kinetic energy it has to hit something to release all that energy which will cause a lot of damage to the planet itself and just by Sonic running super fast at this speed Mario stands no chance against him if anything Mario should be more comparable to Captain America or other superhumans like the Batman family or any of the marvel humans or even baki which they trying to be superhuman anyway but they're not universal at all
Talking shit about sonic music is crime. You can say anything at him; mario is better, i dont like him, sonic games are bad and buggy but you need to accept sonic games has one of the best video game soundtracks out there
Honestly why do people even bother powerscaling this just use common sense wtf red Italian with a big hammer who go wahoo gonna do against a blue hedgehog who runs at the speed of light
Right? But no when won't have that. There will always be a Mario fanboy saying that he could destroy galaxies in his base form and run faster than Sonic (idk dude i want what they are smoking). No but seriously I also like both franchises. Honestly I love Sonic the most, but Mario games are incredibly fun. I can't wait to play the newest Mario Party
@@Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers Mario has also fought dimension annihilating beings and shown several MFTL feats before too, arguably even Inaccessible. Not saying he wins, it’s just that he’s shown similar feats (albeit not on the same scale).
Something people don’t understand is… gameplay mechanics don’t translate or represent nearly anything about a character. Sonic is FAR faster than you can reasonably play, and the same goes for his strength and durability feats. And don’t get me started on Super Sonic, where we’ve been shown how unbelievably OP he is in comparison to gameplay counterpart. Only TWICE in the entire series has Sonic had the Chaos Emeralds ripped out of him: Sonic 3 (which is now outdated when power scaling Super Sonic) and the opening cutscene of Sonic Unleashed. Unleashed is growing outdated in power scaling with Frontiers. While Frontiers’s Final Horizon update has a cutscene of Sonic having the Emeralds ripped outta him, it IS possible to avoid that cutscene legitimately by being good, making it a non-canon cutscene unless stated otherwise by Sonic team or Ian Flynn. And besides, Base Sonic still is super OP by Frontiers and absolutely cooks Mario like a steak.
Doesn't sonic get the chaos emeralds ripped out of him in like 4 of the islands tho. That's kinda a colectable of the game. I still agree with you tho.
Even as a Mario Fan, I can admit, yeah, Sonic beats Mario. No matter who you think wins, the truth is Sonic easily beats Mario due to just sheer speed.
@@malik.a4125 if Mario gets Luigi, Sonic gets Tails. It cannot be one side only, that’s not balanced. And in that scenario, Sonic wins even bigger, cause Tails is honestly just as ridiculously OP in his own right, and Sonic can keep Tails’s head in the game instead of allowing him to doubt himself.
Bro really used gameplay mechanic to justify Super Sonic not being invincible. He could just have talked about when Knuckles knocked the emeralds out of Sonic, about when Super Sonic passed out from exhaustion after defeating Dark Gaia, or shown the cutscenes from Frontiers of which he was damaged to the point of going back to his base form, something that happens at least two times in story lol
All of which are highly flawed. Knuckles has a connection to the Emeralds, being an Echidna and the guardian of the Master Emerald. Heck, Angel Island being the home of the Master Emerald, which can nullify the emeralds, it could even be because of that. Sonic passing out from exhaustion doesn't mean that Super Sonic isn't invincible. He just had a ton of energy drained from him and his Werehog form forceably removed from him. He was shown to already be near the point of exhaustion before turning Super. As for Frontiers, that actually is true. For the first time, Super Sonic was knocked out of his form. But the Emeralds and his rings still protected him and he could turn back into Super Sonic. Super Sonic really only has two times it was damaged: Solaris, a higher dimensional, potentially above dimensions as a whole, being, and The End, which scales above Solaris. Yeah, Frontiers showed us the first time Super Sonic could be killed... But then Frontiers also gave us a new form of Super Sonic that doesn't have that problem. But yeah, it does highlight a problem with the VS community: taking invincibility as invincibility. Mario's invincibility has never been shown to take hits from someone as strong as Super Sonic, so it wouldn't work as a counter
@@Alijkoy46 Yeah I saw it. He actually showed Super Sonic passing out later on. But specifically when he was making his point, he preferred showing a quick-time event. Not really the best example for that moment lmao
@@epiccarrot88 I get what you mean but I do have some points. First of all, Knuckles being able to knock out the emeralds from Sonic is only an assumption. One that makes sense, sure, but the only official information we have on the matter is that Knuckles performed a cheap shot. Plus at the time he hardly had any special ability related to the emeralds, and the idea of them neutralizing the Chaos Emerald wasn't even considered yet. Secondly, you said "he was already at the point of exhaustion before turning Super", doesn't Super Sonic give him a rush that essentially nullifies fatigue? If it doesn't, and he was still tired, then this means he can be beat by exhaustion, therefore he wouldn't really be invincible. Either way that guy's video came before Final Horizon, so I wasn't really taking Super Sonic 2 into account(although using the full power of cyber corruption was shown to actually leave Super Sonic damaged afterwards so with that we have another example), I was mostly considering the moments Super Sonic arrived at each island and was shot down by the island's security lasering him. Also, rings are a complicated subject as there arguments for them not being canon(?) which is odd since we see them in Final Horizon. Third, where do you get the idea that The End scales above Solaris? He really didn't do anything as impressive as what Solaris did. If anything, they're near the same level. Also, when exactly did Solaris manage to hurt Super Sonic? Fourth, well Super Sonic 2 doesn't really stop Sonic from being killed since, like you said before, Sonic was actually knocked out of that form but managed to turn back right after. And like I said, the full power of cyber corruption left him hurt and unconscious afterward. That being said, it IS possible to kill Sonic even with that power. That is not to say it's an easy task, though. Plus, Hyper Sonic would probably be even more powerful, and wouldn't be as harmful for Sonic to use. And finally, yeah, this invincibility thing is a complicated thing to deal with. But at the same time, it's not like we can know the limit to how much punishment they can take. However, as far as I know, all of the power-ups Mario has that can give him invincibility are temporary. Super Sonic isn't, at least not beyond game mechanics. So it wouldn't really work against him either way.
Sonic beats Mario with ease. But not through scaling. Scaling is not the same as fighting. And the way scaling is done in the sonic series is very bad and senseless. Will, wits, and abilities are what makes Sonic solo.
@Jeremiahiskewl I haven't. Not any of Mario's haxes. I just know that the haxes and feats are better presented mario compared to sonic. In terms of like mobility/maneuverability and adaptability, I'd say Sonic has this.
@@crimsonzone8984 what hax does Mario have that are better than Sonic's? Sonic has resisted existential erasure and breaks through fate. Plus escaping inescapable spaces through sheer speed alone. I genuinely could not think of anything Mario does that out classes sonic.
@@LonggoBonggoTransmutation, possession, Invincibility removal, ice manipulation, resistance to existance erasure the list goes on…Mario has a bunch of item and power you know?
@@lop3938 I'm not asking what he has, I'm asking what's better than Sonic's. Also here's something that we should be considering, power stars grant Mario invincibility, but at the same time in story we see when Bowser uses them he just gains more power and access to magic like abilities, so does the power star specifically grant invincibility or does it just give a power boost that's close to invincibility. This is important because that could mean that invincibility in the Mario universe is just becoming so strong you fully nullify damage to an extent. At that point is it really invincible?
Yeah, while current Mario is more stronger but it won't do nothing against a younger version of Sonic who can already time travel, the speed difference is huge, and as a huge Sonic fan is surprising to see how broken Sonic is that i sometimes feel sad that some fights with characters that i though it was going to be equal fight, is just a no-diff for Sonic (atleast is no-diff if Sonic don't hold back)
Every time I hear Mario fans talk about the feats that Mario has done, they are always exaggerating a bit and I know this because I played through those games. The difference between both franchises is that Sonic games are more serious and tend to have more solid foundations for power scaling (kinda like anime). But Mario games are usually wacky worlds with many things that usually aren't explained like magic or the power ups, and when something happens, it can only be taken literally by face value (such as the bullet Bill/projectile debate). Not to mention that the Mario guy fumbled a lot of his arguments and kept repeating himself too much which makes conversations more annoying to listen to.
This is part of why this debate tends to be a circle. Mario shows amazing feats but never explains them. Sonic, however, explains his feats but rarely shows them. Mario lives in a world of wackiness and toon logic. Sonic lives in a world that is more grounded and logical. There is little to no overlap between these two worlds to allow a civic discussion. Let alone a debate of power.
I can see, by the way he is agressively saying how strong mario is, that he probably is angry by how many comments he saw on the internet saying why sonic can actually beat mario, and that's why he doesn't want to argue in the comments
And also lightning itself doesn't travel at the speed of light like the actual lighting strike is pretty slow at 270.000 mph the reason why we see lightning in the first place because the actual lightning flash travels at the speed of light which is why we see the flash of lightning first before we hear the sound of thunder which travels at the speed of sound which is much slower than light and comparison and because lightning is made of negative charge electric currents of plasma and since there's a lot of air resistance to it in there because light is fast in a vacuum because there is nothing stopping you from going that fast than lightning which is bound to the rules of air currents slowing it down
25:27 Not trying to destroy the "Mario beats Sonic" guy, but what in the world getting catapult by a tree to the ground is more damaging than 24:17 getting your head hit hard on an ancient strectures and knocked out hard in the mountain and after still alive with no major injures?
... I dunno why, but the thing that urks me the most is when he said 'at neck-breaking speeds'. ... What the heck does that even mean? How does that compare to normal speed terms? Lol, no way that 'neck breaking speeds' is anything Sonic can't do.
Despite what many think; I actually do believe Mario has a really good chance at beating Sonic. Better chances than what most people give him credit for at least. Also, despite Vinnimon Cinnimon's scaling not being the best, the video was fun enough for me to subside that issue. In short: I really don't care wins, as love both the plumber and the hedgehog.
@@AnimationDude_I can see where you'd think that. Though personally, with how vast Mario's arsenal is compared to Sonic's (I'm referring only to items), you can argue Mario in base scaling to Super Sonic. And we gotta remember that all the top-tier villains Mario has faced have all been deleted only by his base form. Besides; Mario's power is more inconsistent than Sonic's. The plumber can literally go from not being able to push a boulder in one game, to literally putting hands on a reality warper in the next. So he's definitely more cartoon-ish I'd say. Though, that's just my take. Remember; I'm not saying that Mario wins. All I'm saying is that Mario can hang with Sonic, even whilst in his super form.
Mario doesn't have a chance in base with how fast and skilled Sonic he wouldn't even know what's going on especially with everything Sonic can do in frontiers and he beat infinite who was stronger then Solaris in base and ,ind you it takes one hit for Mario to lose his power up and the faster you hit the stronger then force is (forgot the equation) so Sonic can basically one shot him
He used multiple characters as a counter for Solaris, but he uses gameplay from the Mario *AND LUIGI* series as a big point for Mario. I guess he's just not a person to that guy. Sorry Luigi.
Does Mario have counters to chaos control? Can he actually resist time travel (but if we assume that 06 didn't happen then can he resist teleportation)? Imagine if Sonic teleports Mario into a black hole or the centre of the Earth, what's he gonna do? Just asking, maybe he can fight back and I just don't know
@ well in yoshi new island he basically used a pipe to time travel he has some time travel feats in Mario and Luigi games And that in Mario party Mario can resist a black hole tho sonic has shown he can resist black hole in shuffle and even a stronger one in colors tho-
@@TheBlueAdventurerI'm pretty sure he was talking about the Mario guy. The dude kept talking circles and rambling while repeating himself multiple times. Likely to confuse us into agreeing with him
The reason why the unused voice clip of Eggman saying that the Hyper-Go-On were more powerful than the Chaos Emeralds weren't used was because of Super Sonic defeating the Nega Mother Wisp.
Wouldn't Sonic being capable to defeat a above multiversal being that lives in every single time point and in every dimension who can even destroy time itself as a concept be enough proof to claim that Sonic destroys Mario? Like my guy is just a plumber
@@Lilice_li The thing is Sonic couldn't truly kill said Multiversal deity you're talking about, *"Solaris"* though Sonic can damage his Physical form and force him into his more powerful 2nd form and still defeat him. They needed Elise to blow out the flames of Disaster to truly rid themselves of the threat which wounded up rewriting Solaris out of the literal timeline
@Nerdlee-27 yeah and i didnt said kill, I said defeat. Solaris is above the concept of time itself, game literally states he can erase time from existence, so I think being able to defeat him somehow is impressive. Also erazorjin is also extremely overpowered and he could beat him. If u take account of the comics lore it get ridiculous tbh
The astral plane is inconsistent it’s been stated that it allows sonic to explore inaccessible areas and he had a device because of it that doesn’t grant sonic infinite speed anyways it’s hyperbole
@@Lucifier-2 it’s stated to be an infinite sized realm, and it applies to a weaker sonic, so yes it would be infinite speed And it wouldn’t contradict his feats in past and future games where he surpassed this infinite yield
The one enemy I see most people sleeping on for Sonic scaling is the Time Eater. Like, are we forgetting that the Time Eater was going to, as Eggman himself puts it, "Erase Time and Space"? Like, that implies that the Time Eater was, power wise, on par with Solaris. Only difference is that Solaris needed to be destroyed at all points in time. Solaris simply has the advantage of being from a higher plane of existence.
@@UltraSonixYT yeah he did and you bet ur cannonballs imma be responding to that one. Since it released AFTER final horizons 🤫 And yes I thought I’d help them out where I can since I myself also like listening to videos
17:11 Oh it gets so much worse. The way Tails describes it verbatim is that the Sonics "accelerate/speed through time" to fix space. Last I recall, moving through time -- even erased time -- with raw speed is the definition of "Immeasurable Speeds".
istg mario vs sonic was basically the original base cabba vs ssj4 gogeta debate. (also they both are respectively red and blue which is pretty cool lol).
I think the only thing to put a stop to Mario vs Sonic is being saying Sonic was only created to be Nintendo/mario competition at the time so if it wasn’t for Mario Sonic would never exist at all
@ true but I think we should just stop with the whole Mario vs sonic thing entirely I think it’s kinda unnecessary and starts arguments unless it’s a topic around smash but that’s it
@luthergames6930 plus this is the same mario who beats all of bowsers forms in base and that's the same bowser who was stronger than eggmans whole army.
@nintendogamerkid350 so we gonna discredit anything Sonic has done just because he needed the Chaos Emeralds to defeat universe ending threats huh? I'm sorry in a 1v1 I don't see Mario winning
My biggest problem with vs sonic debates is that everyone lowbals sonic's speed to try to prove why a MUCH slower chacter wins. I think everyone agrees that The flash is one of the most annoying characters to make a vs because of his speed, so is sonic, but no one seems to care.
@@Starwarsfan1253 I'm assuming you mean the animation. Because that's the only reasonable argument there is. Otherwise, Eggman obliterates Bowser, ESPECIALLY in a fight between armies
@@StrawHatAuraOne has magic that can wish people away, can survive a dip in lava and a supernova while the other relies on his army to beat a fast hedgehog. Yeah, I think we know who wins.
@@Starwarsfan1253 Eggman scales to Sonic in speed, as do Infinite, Metal, and Sage. And the super form is an anti hax so... can't just wish for a victory. Immeasurable speed compared to Bowser's inaccessible AT BEST
9:41 Another thing is that the guy in the video said that Solaris needed three super hedgehogs (Sonic, Shadow, and Silver) but that's a misconception, all three hedgehogs 1v1d Solaris across different points in time
Im not gonna say anything about this. i didn't play any mario games other than 64 but i know for certain sonic is so fast that even the time doesn't move(moves so slowly that everything at x0.25 speed) in his perpective as shown in the movies and i don't think mario can defeat sonic without even taking a step
The thing with Hyper Sonic, he really doesn't have any feats, and Hyper Sonic hasn't been used since Sonic 3&K. I would Argue Super Sonic would be stronger because all we've seen Hyper Sonic do is able to wipe all badniks of the screen with the hyper dash.
In a way it comes down to this and that’s due to someone comparing two different forms my guess is that if hyper sonic was put into a modern sonic game or tv show he’d mostly be stronger then current super sonic since it’s basically *the extra bonus version* and since he can wipe out badniks which super sonic couldn’t do in Sak3 who knows how powerful a hyper sonic would be if it were to happen again
The only feat hyper sonic has is that he's 7 times stronger than super sonic due to one super emerald being able to transform u into super form and hyper requires all 7
Can we talk about how Archie Sonic could pick up water from it into a ball and throw it in base form a feat that would only be possible if he could think in picoseconds
Yeah that's true but sm people need to be hit with reality and cant keep on getting angry because their character gets defeated This is for both sonic and Mario fans. Both of you including me need to stfu Sonic solos tho 😈
I’m gonna be honest that dude might be the worst scaler I’ve ever seen and I’ve been around the power scaling community for awhile like this was bad props for keeping your sanity my man
Bro, the video is also a joke, most of the shit he says is not his genuine opinion, I doubt he hates undefeatable, we know you are a real power scaler and he’s not, stop glazing your self
@@A_literal_supernova blud the guy watching this vid took the shit way more seriously then I did 💀💀, But low key I sounded hella mad in the comment, mb (Also sonic FUCKING DESTROYES MARIO ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, and sonic x shadow solos every Mario game in my opinion)
@@TheGamingRift11 no I meant that the whole idea of The Olympic Games was to unite sonic and Mario fans which kind of worked since a lot of Mario fans became fans of sonic through sonic colours but that was only achieved. Thanks too the Olympic Games which explains why colour was such a casual game After all, there was really no necessary reason to be competitive since it would’ve been years for instance Sega went from making consoles to becoming a third-party game and Nintendo well stopped being competitive so if anything what would’ve been the point of butting heads?
@@highlandave8507k then smash is canon? So that means the same smash Mario that got soloed by a god with tons of other characters from Nintendo that needed Sonic to save their asses? If that’s canon, then Sonic wins 😂
Great vid, would love to see a part 2. The one thing I will somewhat defend from this guy is Mario's moving as electricity counting towards his base reaction speeds. In Mario Odyssey, to my knowledge there's nothing that implies Mario gets any kind of boost in his ability to react or anything when he uses Cappy for possession, it's just cramming his consciousness into the enemy he targets. So him being able to react to threats and such while possessing the electric enemy actually should count towards Mario's reaction speeds in base. That's kind of a moot point however, Since Mario has a ton of infinitely better speed feats in his base form anyway
@Denise-jm1cz He doesn't. Sonic undoes time erasure just by moving around and can explore an infinite sized dimension in a finite amount of time. Mario as far as I can tell has nothing on that level
@@matthewpierre-canel5890I’m not even biased towards mario and I’m a sonic fan and sonic’s speed is inconsistent as hell even sega made a statement about “worlds fastest supersonic speed!” And it’s been stated in sonic frontiers and in sonic generations guidebook he’s not even light speed
9:14 | Also, the 3 of them fought solaris in different timelines, so each one of them (Sonic Shadow and Silver) had to 1v1 Solaris. {i've got this informations from youtube videos, correct me if they didn't have to 1v1 Solaris or something is wrong}
At the end of the day Sonic fights gods or robots using the power of Gods as the final boss in almost every single game, this battle is just not fair and will never be fair
If we do add power ups into the fight if mario had a White Tanooki leaf I think he would have a good chance at beating sonic since it would make him immune to all damage and cause sonic to die If he touched him
Okay here’s the thing, Sonic can beat Mario in a race, but Mario can beat Sonic in physical strength, durability, experience, but most of all every single power ups. Mario can use the power ups to defeat Sonic and even Sonic can use the power of the Chaos Emeralds, Mario can use the power stars or the grand stars (if that ever happen, MAKE IT HAPPEN NINTENDO) to surpass the chaos emeralds. But if you watch the Bowser Vs. Dr. Eggman, the Wonder Flower can alter the entire universe. If Mario gets the Wonder Flower, Sonic can become slow or in the new Mario and Luigi game, there’s a new ability call the time stop which can literally stop time and hit Sonic as hard with his hammer. So my point, Mario beats Sonic, except for racing.
Here is a list of the sonic power scaling. As you can see, sonic cooks fiction. 1) in sonic cd he time traveled by running AND IT WASN’T THE SIGNS. 2) in Archie he threw the ball of water in a femtosecond 3) the light speed dash can be activated at will in adventure 1 a trail of rings wasn’t needed you could just do it. 4) in Archie he threw sand and ran on it before it fell. 5) in 06 he reacted to solaris who was an omnipresent being who destroys timelines casually 6) again in Archie he ran across Mobius in seconds 7) in Archie it’s stated that he can run to every planet in the universe in a second 8) in Archie it is stated that he is the embodiment of chaos and fate bends to his will, giving him actual plot armor making him physically unbeatable. 8 1/2) if he is the embodiment of chaos theoretically he could induce chaos control on his own. 9) in sonic unleashed using the light speed dash measures somewhere around 300 but if you upgrade your running to the max it is over 3000 like they said in the video so your top speed is way past light. 10) in generations he went so fast that time and space reformed around him and the timeline repaired itself. 11) in Archie he could use the genesis wave which allows the user to change the universe more drastically the more chaos emeralds they have. Performing it with all 7 lets you do the super genesis wave which allows you to alter reality in any way you want. 12) sonic would also be able to punch infinitely hard because of striking force (the faster you are moving the harder you hit and sonic is immeasurably if not irrelevantly fast) 13) in forces he escaped null space which is a closed off space where nothing exists. 14) in prime and in Archie he ran through the fabric of dimensions. 15) Super emeralds are chaos emeralds enhanced by the master emerald. With one he can become ultra sonic who adapts to his environment and can manipulate space reality and the elements at an atomic level. When you have all 7 super emeralds you can turn hyper which can do all of that. Now pair that with the genesis wave. 16) in secret rings he ran across the night palace which is an infinite space. 17) in secret rings je was immune to erazor djinn manipulating the reality of the Arabian nights and only used 3 world rings to defeat him. 18) he fell from space several time without a scratch or even being disoriented 19) in Archie he a black hole generator exploded (because of him) and it sent him flying 189000 light years away or smthn and he survived the impact fine enough. 20) rings essentially function as extra lives for sonic and he has collected billions of them. 21) super sonic canonically doesn’t need rings 22) in Archie time was stopped completely but sonic continued to move normally. 23) sonic grows in power exponentially every single second as confirmed in forces. 24) in archie he beat scourge otherwise known as anti sonic. He is sonic from another dimension where he is evil and he beat scourge who was powered up by the master emerald from his world AND he went super scourge. 25) in sonic colors he outran a blackhole 26) he did chaos control with a FAKE CHAOS EMERALD in SA2 27) in archie, using his super form he reset the entire universe with chaos control 28) in sonic battle he beat emerl, a robot designed by ancient cultures that could copy any technique and had previously beaten sonic and shadow. 29) Super sonic along side burning blaze defeated the egg salamander and the egg wizard who were mechs designed by eggman about to destroy the sol dimension (blazes universe) and the chaos dimension (sonics universe) 30) in sonic generations he beat perfect chaos, a god of destruction amplified by the negative power of the chaos emeralds p, in his base form, when originally in sonic adventure he had to go super. 31) in the three times he activated ultra sonic (mentioned earlier) two were induced by rings only, not a super emerald. And yes, he does turn into super sonic with just rings which can be combined with this form. 32) not really a power scale but he has a lot of friends ready to help him out 33) in sonic x, sonic turned into dark sonic and destroyed two machines who were basically upgraded metal sonics with the data of all of sonic's battles, in seconds 34) he beat dark gaia, the embodiment of darkness and all things evil in the universe in sonic unleashed 35) in sonic frontiers, he defeated the end which is a gigantic machine capable of annihilating planets and controls all fate in the universe. 36) shadow was designed to be the ultimate life form purposefully. It required extensive research, chaos energy, and the DNA of an alien conqueror called black doom to create, then he needed special boots to go at the speeds he does, plus he needs special rings around his wrists to not explode. Now, sonic can do all of that, without special boots, or rings, but he can do it better, he can also do chaos control, and he has countless other talents, and he was born naturally with nothing special. 37) during sonic frontiers, in a weakened state he destroyed all of the titans, who were giant machines created purely of chaos energy and were designed to match the end. 38) in sonic generations he beat the time eater who was a being that could manipulate, alter, and destroy time. He had the capability of destroying everything and he did. 39) it’s stated in several manuals that sonic regularly travels at light speed. 40) sonic is just cooler if anyone can add to this please do in the comments, and I'm not very good at scaling Mario so any fans out there I'm open to discuss in the comments.
@@cozmodiego1727 Only some of these are valid, other than that The End is the embodiment of Death, not a robot. Sonic X and Archie aren’t canon. While they are recognized by official media and staff statements to be alternate dimensions TO the games, the Sonic’s in both are completely different characters, so any feats from their respective series that aren’t primarily preformed in the games can’t be used. A lot of these feats are just gassing up characters’ statements and not their feats. Yes, Dark Gaia is evil incarnate, but you probably should have mentioned it’s actual feats like being able to forge barriers capable of enduring a post 06/SATSR Super Sonic, or it’s very presence could sap the luster from the Emeralds. Shadow doesn’t need his air shoes to go fast, there’s even scenes that depict Shadow running without skating. The Dial’s implosion sent him back 840,000 Light Years And FTL feats are redundant to mention since you already pointed out Sonic’s multiple Immeasurable Speed Feats.
@@Keisezrgs i also want to mention the shadow air shoes let him run *faster* he can run high above average without them but not as good. and i wanted to mention everything i could anyways
I really hate bias. As someone who is a massive sonic fan of course I want sonic to win but you have to put your bias aside when you do vs battles. People like this ruin vs debates I swear to god. (Sonic no diffs by the way)
@@alptugraakan7490 2 words base mario that shi alone beats sonic mf couldn't even fight titans in basse and needed super form and in te end need help from sage eggman and the gang lmao also mario kun is mario and paper not a flalacy my nigga literally stated by the kun comics and games in japan my nigga shhh
@@alptugraakan7490 i kid you not mandl mario spinoff mario tpaper and kun mario are the same gotta learn the scalings of them llil bro they all are the same even said by culex an omniscent god that knows all so not a fllacy it is true except for asian and movie mario which are completly different
ARE yall that obsessed with sonic winning fights? The video is legit a JOKE. It legit says in the description of the video. Now yall your basicially letting your opinions affect your Intelligence like dude listen to how he calls the so called feats its obviously a joke... so learn to take one because now your all are slowly making yourself look dumb which I'm sure yall are not
@@RealityParrot the description never specified it to be satire and also says twice that it’s supposedly “facts”. But I guess reading is hard Also it clearly wasn’t intended to be an “April fools” thing, as he doubled down and made a part 2 a few months back.
@@TheGamingRift11 if you actually read it’s obvious : Wanna learn about Mario vs Sonic? This is the TRUTH on who'd actually realistically win. Nothing but facts... No I'm not debating anyone in the comments. ...If anyone is even gonna be there. Also this is a super opinionated comedy piece, but um.. STILL TOTALLY FACTUAL. I'm still right. Read that shit out loud and tell how you can even consider that serious. You made yourself look dumb congrats. Second description is no different: I really, really didn't wanna make this lol. I started this video back in January, it was ten pages long, tons and tons of research. The video had more than 30 minutes worth the voiceclips. After a while, it just felt like a generic VS debate and lost the spirit of the first video. So I decided, nahhhh, it'd be more fun to shit on Sonic again lol. Don't take it so seriously this time, we're all having fun here. Please don't @ me in your debunk videos. When I said it in the video I meant it I'm finished with this topic. And if you even try to bother looking at some comments he says it’s for jokes. But yall sonic glazing meat riders wanna jump the gun and start crying because someone says Sonic is losing.
If anything, it should be Kirby who should go against sonic, both have defeated beings that have unimaginable power, both defeated gods, and both have the most broken scales of power out of any Sega and Nintendo character
I’m not even a mario fan I like him as a character While Mario in his base form was taking a shower from a lava and was resistance to the heat temperature in super Mario ds and Mario’s durability is pretty high and has resistance to that sun he would use fire flower and be perfectly fine not a great argument
@@Pinnacle12345 Fire Flower is not permanent, sun can last for billions of years, and he can't even leave it. + You got a Mario pfp sure you aren't a mario fan.
@@Swagmaster07 Attacking my pfp is actually pathetic in 2024 and yes it is infact permanent in super Mario bros game when you are trying to enter to a new level I’ve used a power up while trying to go to the next stage and it lasted for like infinitely I’ve waited for 3 hours for it to end if you don’t believe me I got proof to hurt your feelings lmfao I’ve done researches about sonic I’ll debunk every single of your argument
Like this a boss rush swapped sonic and Mario will need to face bosses swapped sonic will face Mario bosses and Mario will need to face sonic bosses and you think sonic loses to Mario bosses no he easily beats all of them easily no help meanwhile Mario help he needs help he just grabs his phone and calls Luigi and says "Luigi help" obviously you know who wins
That clown's power scaling was so unbelievably wrong. Im not a power scaler but i could do a better job than that. Mario is getting stomped by sonic in 0.00000000000000000001 seconds
Just imagine how much the comments would tear him apart new one if he tried to argue that “Mario could easily curb-stomp Shadow the Hedgehog” using the same arguments as the Mario vs Sonic one.
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They're pretty good and also did you watch a video about what happens if a needle hits the Earth at the speed of light and not only will cause a lot of damage to the Earth but if it hits a human then your entire body is annihilated like disrupting the bonds between subatomic particles that is responsible for holding our bodies together and also we wouldn't even notice Sonic hitting us at all at the speed of light he might as well take out our hearts and we wouldn't even notice the effects of having our hearts taken out I mean really Sonic can easily do that to Mario because he cannot react to anything that is faster than light anyway and I only play Galaxy once a Mario never did anything that is universal at all and also Bowser was making another galaxy system for himself to rule at least before ruling the universe no that doesn't make him universal like being a ruler means you have to rule a kingdom and for him the rule that Kingdom of the universe he would have to go to every Galaxy system and then dominate every system there is right there but that doesn't make him universal himself and also Mario taking out the grand star that was powering his machine was the very thing that got the universe nearly destroyed and before the universe was completely destroyed a bunch of lumas sacrifice their lives to keep the universe from being permanently destroyed and the reason why Mario and the other cast survive the entire thing was because of Rosalina so no they did not create a new universe they just remake the same universe back to the way it was before it was getting destroyed just by Mario taking out the grand star
GREAT THE GAMING RIFT MARIO VS SONIC DEBUNKING WORST POWER SCALING
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This guy said that Sonic's best speed feat was outrunning that black hole, but in Generations, he was able to restore time with his speed alone. Essentially, he goes so fast that the very laws of time bend to him. I doubt Mario would even be able to land a hit.
The generations statement alone gives sonic immeasurable speed (the highest speed possible)
I think people who debate for mario characters beating sonic characters don't realize or properly look into how busted sonic characters are
@@josanchez1536 yes he did after a while later game papaer mario escaped it casually also you can get mad if you want but ur people sega literally repeated themselves multiple times that sonic is only sound speed and super sonic is sub light speed but you could highball with scaling but it wouldn't debunk sonic's statements from sega and only lightspeed was said by omega and sonic mind oyu metal sonic is eggmans best creation yet metal only fr is shown sound speed even eith a try harding sonic metal matches and mirror his speed (also metals a carrier just sayin)
@@josanchez1536 i think the sonic characters beating mario characters don't really know how busted they mario characters are like reality warping with a snap (aka mario did)
@@drebound-h1l Reality warping isn't an uncommon feat in the Sonic franchise. In fact, many enemies just delete reality entirely.
Man attempted to explain how and why Mario beats Sonic yet contradicts himself, overwanks Mario, never shows and ignores all the other feats for both characters, and severely downplays both Sonic AND Mario while heavily relying on gameplay mechanics and moments+scenes from the games taken out of context. His entire video is just certified fanboying
Exactly. He said Sonic being one-tapped by Giganto makes him "fodder" when it's literally common knowledge that the Titans are Super Form Level and Sonic got up like it was nothing after a few minutes
@@AnimationDude_Exactly,if anything Sonic not Dying by Giganto in that moment shows how Durable he is
@@AnimationDude_ And with each Titan outscaling infinite and the phantom ruby with Eggman in a canon prequel comic states is more powerful than the Master Emerald itself.
@Nerdlee-27 Exactly. Even without Supreme the Titans could beat Solaris, assuming they had a way to all exist within different time periods.
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Just stop it and agree that they wouldn't fight and would be good friends
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I don’t think they would as Mario’s kind of an asshole ngl.
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pretty sure they're literally good friends in olympics
Death battle took notes with this dude’s video.
Ain’t no way hyper sonic, a form stronger than super sonic that surpasses base sonic, who is ALREADY far more durable and faster than Mario, lost to Mario.
Especially if we give frontiers sonic his hyper form or the cyber forms
How do we gauge the power of hyper sonic compared to super? Saying something vague like “hyper is just stronger” doesn’t really give us an accurate representation.
To people who say "hyper sonic is not cannon because it was just something to get after getting all the chaos and super emeralds" they said the same thing about super sonic and sonic 3 and knuckles are cannon so ya.
@@legalza0843we can’t its so vastly stronger then super that its not even debatable, hyper sonic is basically seven master emeralds
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801Then use Archie scaling
Everybody ignores the fact that the Colors black hole is EXPANDING, if it wasn't expanding, he would've easily gotten away.
Like even if we assume it's just an ordinary black hole, it was expanding RAPIDLY. I could post the math here but for it to be expanding at the rate it was there had to been massive amounts of matter being consumed from the time it was created to the time it caught up to sonic, making it insanely strong. You made my night, thank you.
That black hole was much smaller than the one in Mario party
@@sans101
Its also a lot closer, and made of Wisp energy, your point?
@@sonicdml4175 which is weaker then an normal black hole, that's my point.
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It's... stronger.
Unless you're telling me powers that compete with Chaos Emeralds are weaker than a regular black hole?
if Mario fought Sonic, then the winner would obviously be Rayman.
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couldnt agree more
Never knew that coming
I thought that Crash Bandicoot solos all of them /j
Sonic shadow and silver needed to work together but it was in different timelines. Silver fought Solaris in the future, shadow in the past, and sonic in the present and they were able to defeat a being that destroyed dimensions. Why did he shove that out quickly??
even if they did it at the same time, thats still 3 hedgehogs vs a god, that alone gives sonic 1/3rd of the power needed to kill a god. he has the power of 1/3rd of a god.
@@AnakinRodrigues Plus, Sonic has gotten stronger since 06 and has beaten multiple gods since then.
@@AnakinRodrigues All of them were stronger than Solaris keep in mind, we see this as Silver's attacks are just Solaris' amped up and thrown back at him and they do less damage than Sonic and Shadow's attacks. Not to mention the fact that Solaris gets desperate as the fight reaches it's climax, spamming attacks to keep them away [also, Solaris' attacks remain even if you switch to another character, so it's fair to assume those are temporally omnipresent like Solaris, and they are casually able to be dodged by the player giving Shadow, Silver and Sonic the ability to react to attacks that are temporally omnipresent. (Speed is INSANE)]
Not to mention, Solaris gets overcame by Secret Rings, that's how powerful Sonic characters are, that by the very next game they pretty much gain insane powers, even the Egg Dragoon from Unleashed would STOMP Solaris.
@@inksinkanimates8921 so they have the power of gods
@@AnakinRodrigues Beyond that, easily yes.
The amount of Mario glazing in that video makes me thankful I am not one of THOSE Mario fans
and if you look at his comment section
its nothing but disrespectful shit
I’m a hardcore Mario fan but I know this shit is wack sonic can beat Mario in a fight
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I agree
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@@ElijahS-r5rif anything he don't even need a super form to beat Mario and don't forget Sonic is faster than light if anything just by him punching Mario at the speed of light he is just going to be annihilated since you generate a lot of kinetic energy when moving at the speed of light which will cause a small crater that is even bigger than the biggest nukes because once something at the speed of light builds up kinetic energy it has to hit something to release all that energy which will cause a lot of damage to the planet itself and just by Sonic running super fast at this speed Mario stands no chance against him if anything Mario should be more comparable to Captain America or other superhumans like the Batman family or any of the marvel humans or even baki which they trying to be superhuman anyway but they're not universal at all
@@dallasm2597 Chad Mario fan but I could see arguments for both sides
If Mario is "Super Mario", where is regular Mario? He must be way worse.
When he said "you're not very good at this" reminds me of 2017x
same
Yeah do part 2, this guy double downing on his terrible scaling would make a good debunk video
another mariotard who is too stupid to do research and thinks super sonic is just yellow sonic and can fly
Nobody who like video games music can hate on "undefeatable" the song itself IS undefeatable
Talking shit about sonic music is crime. You can say anything at him; mario is better, i dont like him, sonic games are bad and buggy but you need to accept sonic games has one of the best video game soundtracks out there
@@gsaslan2877THIS. It’s pure facts. Sonic games may be bad to some people, but you CANNOT complain about the music.
@@mawthesonicfan1877 Yes you can, its simply a matter of opinion.
@@ThundagaT2don't tell me you never added knight of the wind, what i'm made of, open your heart or can you feel the sunshine in your playlist
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Yeah, but not when the opinion is uther garbage like this comment
His stalling is genuinely confusing
Man is talking about marios from different timelines while sonic power is evoleving within the ages from classic to frontiere sonic
Honestly why do people even bother powerscaling this just use common sense wtf red Italian with a big hammer who go wahoo gonna do against a blue hedgehog who runs at the speed of light
By the way I love both franchises
Right? But no when won't have that. There will always be a Mario fanboy saying that he could destroy galaxies in his base form and run faster than Sonic (idk dude i want what they are smoking). No but seriously I also like both franchises. Honestly I love Sonic the most, but Mario games are incredibly fun. I can't wait to play the newest Mario Party
Im not saying mario wins, but lying about mario when he has beaten multiverse level threats doesn't help your case
Sonic has done so too but both Mario and sonic have had external help one way or another or special circumstances to achieve such feats
@@Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers Mario has also fought dimension annihilating beings and shown several MFTL feats before too, arguably even Inaccessible. Not saying he wins, it’s just that he’s shown similar feats (albeit not on the same scale).
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Something people don’t understand is… gameplay mechanics don’t translate or represent nearly anything about a character. Sonic is FAR faster than you can reasonably play, and the same goes for his strength and durability feats.
And don’t get me started on Super Sonic, where we’ve been shown how unbelievably OP he is in comparison to gameplay counterpart. Only TWICE in the entire series has Sonic had the Chaos Emeralds ripped out of him: Sonic 3 (which is now outdated when power scaling Super Sonic) and the opening cutscene of Sonic Unleashed. Unleashed is growing outdated in power scaling with Frontiers. While Frontiers’s Final Horizon update has a cutscene of Sonic having the Emeralds ripped outta him, it IS possible to avoid that cutscene legitimately by being good, making it a non-canon cutscene unless stated otherwise by Sonic team or Ian Flynn.
And besides, Base Sonic still is super OP by Frontiers and absolutely cooks Mario like a steak.
Doesn't sonic get the chaos emeralds ripped out of him in like 4 of the islands tho. That's kinda a colectable of the game. I still agree with you tho.
Even as a Mario Fan, I can admit, yeah, Sonic beats Mario. No matter who you think wins, the truth is Sonic easily beats Mario due to just sheer speed.
@ragefury6520 notice how it's only mario tho. With the help of luigi, I think they clean ngl.
@@malik.a4125 if Mario gets Luigi, Sonic gets Tails. It cannot be one side only, that’s not balanced.
And in that scenario, Sonic wins even bigger, cause Tails is honestly just as ridiculously OP in his own right, and Sonic can keep Tails’s head in the game instead of allowing him to doubt himself.
@@hyperstargaming6150 buttttttttttttt mario and luigi could like, idk reflect it. I'm grasping at straws
Bro really used gameplay mechanic to justify Super Sonic not being invincible. He could just have talked about when Knuckles knocked the emeralds out of Sonic, about when Super Sonic passed out from exhaustion after defeating Dark Gaia, or shown the cutscenes from Frontiers of which he was damaged to the point of going back to his base form, something that happens at least two times in story lol
He actually did some of them lol, just look at his original video closely
All of which are highly flawed. Knuckles has a connection to the Emeralds, being an Echidna and the guardian of the Master Emerald. Heck, Angel Island being the home of the Master Emerald, which can nullify the emeralds, it could even be because of that. Sonic passing out from exhaustion doesn't mean that Super Sonic isn't invincible. He just had a ton of energy drained from him and his Werehog form forceably removed from him. He was shown to already be near the point of exhaustion before turning Super. As for Frontiers, that actually is true. For the first time, Super Sonic was knocked out of his form. But the Emeralds and his rings still protected him and he could turn back into Super Sonic. Super Sonic really only has two times it was damaged: Solaris, a higher dimensional, potentially above dimensions as a whole, being, and The End, which scales above Solaris.
Yeah, Frontiers showed us the first time Super Sonic could be killed... But then Frontiers also gave us a new form of Super Sonic that doesn't have that problem.
But yeah, it does highlight a problem with the VS community: taking invincibility as invincibility. Mario's invincibility has never been shown to take hits from someone as strong as Super Sonic, so it wouldn't work as a counter
@@epiccarrot88mario's invincibility wouşdnt even work against darkspine sonic(the 3rd strongest sonic form)
@@Alijkoy46 Yeah I saw it. He actually showed Super Sonic passing out later on. But specifically when he was making his point, he preferred showing a quick-time event. Not really the best example for that moment lmao
@@epiccarrot88 I get what you mean but I do have some points. First of all, Knuckles being able to knock out the emeralds from Sonic is only an assumption. One that makes sense, sure, but the only official information we have on the matter is that Knuckles performed a cheap shot. Plus at the time he hardly had any special ability related to the emeralds, and the idea of them neutralizing the Chaos Emerald wasn't even considered yet.
Secondly, you said "he was already at the point of exhaustion before turning Super", doesn't Super Sonic give him a rush that essentially nullifies fatigue? If it doesn't, and he was still tired, then this means he can be beat by exhaustion, therefore he wouldn't really be invincible. Either way that guy's video came before Final Horizon, so I wasn't really taking Super Sonic 2 into account(although using the full power of cyber corruption was shown to actually leave Super Sonic damaged afterwards so with that we have another example), I was mostly considering the moments Super Sonic arrived at each island and was shot down by the island's security lasering him. Also, rings are a complicated subject as there arguments for them not being canon(?) which is odd since we see them in Final Horizon.
Third, where do you get the idea that The End scales above Solaris? He really didn't do anything as impressive as what Solaris did. If anything, they're near the same level. Also, when exactly did Solaris manage to hurt Super Sonic?
Fourth, well Super Sonic 2 doesn't really stop Sonic from being killed since, like you said before, Sonic was actually knocked out of that form but managed to turn back right after. And like I said, the full power of cyber corruption left him hurt and unconscious afterward. That being said, it IS possible to kill Sonic even with that power. That is not to say it's an easy task, though. Plus, Hyper Sonic would probably be even more powerful, and wouldn't be as harmful for Sonic to use.
And finally, yeah, this invincibility thing is a complicated thing to deal with. But at the same time, it's not like we can know the limit to how much punishment they can take. However, as far as I know, all of the power-ups Mario has that can give him invincibility are temporary. Super Sonic isn't, at least not beyond game mechanics. So it wouldn't really work against him either way.
Sonic beats Mario with ease. But not through scaling. Scaling is not the same as fighting. And the way scaling is done in the sonic series is very bad and senseless. Will, wits, and abilities are what makes Sonic solo.
@@crimsonzone8984 Have you seen Mario’s resistance haxes?? Mario has one of best ones
@Jeremiahiskewl I haven't. Not any of Mario's haxes. I just know that the haxes and feats are better presented mario compared to sonic. In terms of like mobility/maneuverability and adaptability, I'd say Sonic has this.
@@crimsonzone8984 what hax does Mario have that are better than Sonic's?
Sonic has resisted existential erasure and breaks through fate. Plus escaping inescapable spaces through sheer speed alone.
I genuinely could not think of anything Mario does that out classes sonic.
@@LonggoBonggoTransmutation, possession, Invincibility removal, ice manipulation, resistance to existance erasure the list goes on…Mario has a bunch of item and power you know?
@@lop3938 I'm not asking what he has, I'm asking what's better than Sonic's.
Also here's something that we should be considering, power stars grant Mario invincibility, but at the same time in story we see when Bowser uses them he just gains more power and access to magic like abilities, so does the power star specifically grant invincibility or does it just give a power boost that's close to invincibility.
This is important because that could mean that invincibility in the Mario universe is just becoming so strong you fully nullify damage to an extent.
At that point is it really invincible?
As a mario fan who got introduced to gaming as a concept by mario…. CD sonic can beat mario
Yeah, while current Mario is more stronger but it won't do nothing against a younger version of Sonic who can already time travel, the speed difference is huge, and as a huge Sonic fan is surprising to see how broken Sonic is that i sometimes feel sad that some fights with characters that i though it was going to be equal fight, is just a no-diff for Sonic (atleast is no-diff if Sonic don't hold back)
Says bro with a sonic picture
@@nintendogamerkid350 his profile picture has nothing to do with this.
@@nintendogamerkid350 isn't your name nintendogamerkid
no offense or anything, just kinda feels hypocritical
Every time I hear Mario fans talk about the feats that Mario has done, they are always exaggerating a bit and I know this because I played through those games. The difference between both franchises is that Sonic games are more serious and tend to have more solid foundations for power scaling (kinda like anime). But Mario games are usually wacky worlds with many things that usually aren't explained like magic or the power ups, and when something happens, it can only be taken literally by face value (such as the bullet Bill/projectile debate). Not to mention that the Mario guy fumbled a lot of his arguments and kept repeating himself too much which makes conversations more annoying to listen to.
which is also used for power scaling mario and cartoons for exmple which leads to abilities like logic manipulation
This is part of why this debate tends to be a circle.
Mario shows amazing feats but never explains them. Sonic, however, explains his feats but rarely shows them.
Mario lives in a world of wackiness and toon logic. Sonic lives in a world that is more grounded and logical.
There is little to no overlap between these two worlds to allow a civic discussion. Let alone a debate of power.
@@SonicPlusUltra Play the rpg games. One of them has literal genocides
@@HypercomboProduction Mario feats has been explained like when he beat base dimentio.
@@Jeremiahiskewl I thought Dimentio nuked himself and Luigi after Luigi bested him?
I can see, by the way he is agressively saying how strong mario is, that he probably is angry by how many comments he saw on the internet saying why sonic can actually beat mario, and that's why he doesn't want to argue in the comments
And also lightning itself doesn't travel at the speed of light like the actual lighting strike is pretty slow at 270.000 mph the reason why we see lightning in the first place because the actual lightning flash travels at the speed of light which is why we see the flash of lightning first before we hear the sound of thunder which travels at the speed of sound which is much slower than light and comparison and because lightning is made of negative charge electric currents of plasma and since there's a lot of air resistance to it in there because light is fast in a vacuum because there is nothing stopping you from going that fast than lightning which is bound to the rules of air currents slowing it down
25:27 Not trying to destroy the "Mario beats Sonic" guy, but what in the world getting catapult by a tree to the ground is more damaging than 24:17 getting your head hit hard on an ancient strectures and knocked out hard in the mountain and after still alive with no major injures?
... I dunno why, but the thing that urks me the most is when he said 'at neck-breaking speeds'. ... What the heck does that even mean? How does that compare to normal speed terms? Lol, no way that 'neck breaking speeds' is anything Sonic can't do.
Despite what many think; I actually do believe Mario has a really good chance at beating Sonic. Better chances than what most people give him credit for at least. Also, despite Vinnimon Cinnimon's scaling not being the best, the video was fun enough for me to subside that issue. In short: I really don't care wins, as love both the plumber and the hedgehog.
Yeah, Base Mario and Base Sonic tie. Super Sonic is the problem.
@@AnimationDude_I can see where you'd think that. Though personally, with how vast Mario's arsenal is compared to Sonic's (I'm referring only to items), you can argue Mario in base scaling to Super Sonic. And we gotta remember that all the top-tier villains Mario has faced have all been deleted only by his base form. Besides; Mario's power is more inconsistent than Sonic's. The plumber can literally go from not being able to push a boulder in one game, to literally putting hands on a reality warper in the next. So he's definitely more cartoon-ish I'd say. Though, that's just my take. Remember; I'm not saying that Mario wins. All I'm saying is that Mario can hang with Sonic, even whilst in his super form.
@@Dr.Boundlessnah super sonic can beat Mario
Mario doesn't have a chance in base with how fast and skilled Sonic he wouldn't even know what's going on especially with everything Sonic can do in frontiers and he beat infinite who was stronger then Solaris in base and ,ind you it takes one hit for Mario to lose his power up and the faster you hit the stronger then force is (forgot the equation) so Sonic can basically one shot him
Also people always put out cop Mario against Sonic and they are very unspecific on which Mario they are talking about
Sonic literally be fighting world/ multi verse threats
They are not the same
Exactly if anything the only Nintendo character that would or could stand a chance against sonic would be Kirby
@@elliotsturtplus340 uh shulk?
Dreamy bowser, Dimentio... I could name a few.
Still though Sonic eats.
@@elliotsturtplus340Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Ultra Necrozma, True Form Arceus
@@ProjectFallenLeaf so has Mario.
He used multiple characters as a counter for Solaris, but he uses gameplay from the Mario *AND LUIGI* series as a big point for Mario. I guess he's just not a person to that guy. Sorry Luigi.
Does Mario have counters to chaos control? Can he actually resist time travel (but if we assume that 06 didn't happen then can he resist teleportation)?
Imagine if Sonic teleports Mario into a black hole or the centre of the Earth, what's he gonna do?
Just asking, maybe he can fight back and I just don't know
I mean Mario can teleport and time travel with power ups
@@hackerninjaexe5791 Wait really? Which ones?
@ well in yoshi new island he basically used a pipe to time travel he has some time travel feats in Mario and Luigi games
And that in Mario party Mario can resist a black hole tho sonic has shown he can resist black hole in shuffle and even a stronger one in colors tho-
@@hackerninjaexe5791 Huh. Neat
@@hackerninjaexe5791his younger self outrunned muktiple amount of them
Bro, I is just trying to confuse us into agreeing with him 😂
At least he can spell correctly and can think in a normal way instead of rambling for 24 hours MARIO UNIVERSITY UNIVERSAL BLAH BLAH BLA GRRRRRRR
@@TheBlueAdventurerI'm pretty sure he was talking about the Mario guy. The dude kept talking circles and rambling while repeating himself multiple times. Likely to confuse us into agreeing with him
The reason why the unused voice clip of Eggman saying that the Hyper-Go-On were more powerful than the Chaos Emeralds weren't used was because of Super Sonic defeating the Nega Mother Wisp.
Wouldn't Sonic being capable to defeat a above multiversal being that lives in every single time point and in every dimension who can even destroy time itself as a concept be enough proof to claim that Sonic destroys Mario? Like my guy is just a plumber
@@Lilice_li The thing is Sonic couldn't truly kill said Multiversal deity you're talking about, *"Solaris"*
though Sonic can damage his Physical form and force him into his more powerful 2nd form and still defeat him. They needed Elise to blow out the flames of Disaster to truly rid themselves of the threat which wounded up rewriting Solaris out of the literal timeline
@Nerdlee-27 yeah and i didnt said kill, I said defeat.
Solaris is above the concept of time itself, game literally states he can erase time from existence, so I think being able to defeat him somehow is impressive.
Also erazorjin is also extremely overpowered and he could beat him.
If u take account of the comics lore it get ridiculous tbh
@@Lilice_li I agree with everything except for Erazor Djinn being able to defeat him
@@Nerdlee-27 I was meant to say that Sonic defeated Erazorjin, maybe I phrased it in a confusing way, sorry!
@@Lilice_li It's alright
The astral plane is inconsistent it’s been stated that it allows sonic to explore inaccessible areas and he had a device because of it that doesn’t grant sonic infinite speed anyways it’s hyperbole
@@Lucifier-2 it’s stated to be an infinite sized realm, and it applies to a weaker sonic, so yes it would be infinite speed
And it wouldn’t contradict his feats in past and future games where he surpassed this infinite yield
@ fair enough I respect your opinion 🤝
Bro, we all know the only fight they'll partake in is in some Olympic challenges, and that's peak
The one enemy I see most people sleeping on for Sonic scaling is the Time Eater. Like, are we forgetting that the Time Eater was going to, as Eggman himself puts it, "Erase Time and Space"? Like, that implies that the Time Eater was, power wise, on par with Solaris. Only difference is that Solaris needed to be destroyed at all points in time. Solaris simply has the advantage of being from a higher plane of existence.
I personally think you shouldn't involve Mario Party when you try to find out Mario power
Exacly they always use Mario Party as an feat. Shit than might as well use Sonic one shoting Tabuu in Smash Bros Brawl.
27:04 He made a part 2??? 💀💀 Oh and btw, even though I'm not an audio listener, you ought to be commended for helping those folks out 👊✊
@@UltraSonixYT yeah he did and you bet ur cannonballs imma be responding to that one. Since it released AFTER final horizons 🤫
And yes I thought I’d help them out where I can since I myself also like listening to videos
17:11 Oh it gets so much worse. The way Tails describes it verbatim is that the Sonics "accelerate/speed through time" to fix space. Last I recall, moving through time -- even erased time -- with raw speed is the definition of "Immeasurable Speeds".
14:40 bro committed a war crime against the mario simp, WTF! THAT'S ACTUALLY INSANE
istg mario vs sonic was basically the original base cabba vs ssj4 gogeta debate. (also they both are respectively red and blue which is pretty cool lol).
I'll be honest, I haven't watched this video to the end cause the arguments were a bit stupid and i watched after my "Mario vs Sonic" video
Even as a Mario fan, I know sonic stomps the plumber.
I think the only thing to put a stop to Mario vs Sonic is being saying Sonic was only created to be Nintendo/mario competition at the time so if it wasn’t for Mario Sonic would never exist at all
That's irrelevant to this debate though
@ true but I think we should just stop with the whole Mario vs sonic thing entirely I think it’s kinda unnecessary and starts arguments unless it’s a topic around smash but that’s it
Welcome ladies and gentlemen to Mario fans just doesn't get Sonic the Hedgehog
And sonic fans don't understand mario
@nintendogamerkid350 buddy, even Rift says Mario is stronger as he'll nowhere near Sonic's strength but multiversal at best
@luthergames6930 Mario though is beyond multiversal
@luthergames6930 plus this is the same mario who beats all of bowsers forms in base and that's the same bowser who was stronger than eggmans whole army.
@nintendogamerkid350 so we gonna discredit anything Sonic has done just because he needed the Chaos Emeralds to defeat universe ending threats huh? I'm sorry in a 1v1 I don't see Mario winning
My biggest problem with vs sonic debates is that everyone lowbals sonic's speed to try to prove why a MUCH slower chacter wins.
I think everyone agrees that The flash is one of the most annoying characters to make a vs because of his speed, so is sonic, but no one seems to care.
That Eggman vs Bowser Death Battle is going to spawn Mario fanboys who have no idea of basic powerscaling in these next years, stay strong brothers 🫡🫡
@@cnk9822 You are just mad that your precious Egg Doctor got scrambled. Get a life and stop crying over Bowser beating Eggman.
@@Starwarsfan1253 I'm assuming you mean the animation. Because that's the only reasonable argument there is. Otherwise, Eggman obliterates Bowser, ESPECIALLY in a fight between armies
@@StrawHatAuraOne has magic that can wish people away, can survive a dip in lava and a supernova while the other relies on his army to beat a fast hedgehog. Yeah, I think we know who wins.
@@Starwarsfan1253 Eggman scales to Sonic in speed, as do Infinite, Metal, and Sage. And the super form is an anti hax so... can't just wish for a victory. Immeasurable speed compared to Bowser's inaccessible AT BEST
The way this guy edits makes his whole video feel like a fever dream on crack
Ikr
Forget who beats who, which one of them last can make a 5-star meal?
Now that's the real question
@@DrLiam-fg6wd Mario solos negative diff 🗣️🗣️
To my recollection, Sonic has been shown to actually cook food in his spare time, so it'd actually be an interesting case
Sonic has an official cookbook so shi I might be biased but I think his chilli dogs might be 🔥
@@XmakesmusiclolSuper Nintendo World food: Am I joke to you?
9:41 Another thing is that the guy in the video said that Solaris needed three super hedgehogs (Sonic, Shadow, and Silver) but that's a misconception, all three hedgehogs 1v1d Solaris across different points in time
I love how this guys whole channel is just L + ratio ing everyone
Im not gonna say anything about this. i didn't play any mario games other than 64 but i know for certain sonic is so fast that even the time doesn't move(moves so slowly that everything at x0.25 speed) in his perpective as shown in the movies and i don't think mario can defeat sonic without even taking a step
I like Mario, but he's not beating Sonic. They'd probably just have lunch or something anyway.
The thing with Hyper Sonic, he really doesn't have any feats, and Hyper Sonic hasn't been used since Sonic 3&K. I would Argue Super Sonic would be stronger because all we've seen Hyper Sonic do is able to wipe all badniks of the screen with the hyper dash.
In a way it comes down to this and that’s due to someone comparing two different forms my guess is that if hyper sonic was put into a modern sonic game or tv show he’d mostly be stronger then current super sonic since it’s basically *the extra bonus version* and since he can wipe out badniks which super sonic couldn’t do in Sak3 who knows how powerful a hyper sonic would be if it were to happen again
The only feat hyper sonic has is that he's 7 times stronger than super sonic due to one super emerald being able to transform u into super form and hyper requires all 7
@@Soniciscool91 where does it say that sonic can turn super with one super emerald?
And people accuse gamingriff for being a funboy and glazing sonic 😂😂😂
Can we talk about how Archie Sonic could pick up water from it into a ball and throw it in base form a feat that would only be possible if he could think in picoseconds
Aint no way bro made that joke with his girlfriend 😂😂😂
This video just reminds me of this meme
“Why don’t you back it up with a source?”
“My source is that I made it the frick up!”
The Mario fanboy: Source: Trust Me Bro
Can everyone just admit that there bias and pick one side just cause they like the character more
Yeah that's true but sm people need to be hit with reality and cant keep on getting angry because their character gets defeated
This is for both sonic and Mario fans.
Both of you including me need to stfu
Sonic solos tho 😈
I’m gonna be honest that dude might be the worst scaler I’ve ever seen and I’ve been around the power scaling community for awhile like this was bad props for keeping your sanity my man
The creator of the video your debunking literally burnt the food to the point where it disintegrated 😭
this is like that game theory episode that says mario is faster than sonic while using the wrong heights for both of them
Bro, the video is also a joke, most of the shit he says is not his genuine opinion, I doubt he hates undefeatable, we know you are a real power scaler and he’s not, stop glazing your self
Considering how this dude Bothered to make a Second video where he kind of Says exactly the Same,i think just,genuinely believes what he spews
Mario fans took it seriously😂
@@A_literal_supernova blud the guy watching this vid took the shit way more seriously then I did 💀💀, But low key I sounded hella mad in the comment, mb
(Also sonic FUCKING DESTROYES MARIO ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, and sonic x shadow solos every Mario game in my opinion)
14:49 That's actually insane. Great video as always rift
So this guy clearly didn’t play the Olympic games
@@elliotsturtplus340 the Olympic Games likely ain’t canon.
Although the Winter Olympic Games I used to love
@@TheGamingRift11 Everything is canon.
@@TheGamingRift11 no I meant that the whole idea of The Olympic Games was to unite sonic and Mario fans which kind of worked since a lot of Mario fans became fans of sonic through sonic colours but that was only achieved. Thanks too the Olympic Games which explains why colour was such a casual game
After all, there was really no necessary reason to be competitive since it would’ve been years for instance Sega went from making consoles to becoming a third-party game and Nintendo well stopped being competitive so if anything what would’ve been the point of butting heads?
@elliotsturtplus340you can say the same to this Mario fanboy
@@highlandave8507k then smash is canon? So that means the same smash Mario that got soloed by a god with tons of other characters from Nintendo that needed Sonic to save their asses? If that’s canon, then Sonic wins 😂
This video that TheGamingRift is reviewing feels like it was made in 2005.
Is that good or bad? 🤔
This whole video is a joke…
@@TTG-37 I agree, his video was a joke
Just like your pfp 😭🙏
@Funnibaconman fr
"Much like a virgin on prom night"💀
I never cared for Undefeatable tbh. Endless Possibilities >>>>
Fr, but his world >>>>
Endless Possibilities is a banger no doubt. However Fist Bump ≈
Bro gonna start Sonic Music Debate Battles bruh XD
Break Through It All just solos through it all and breaks through it all
In my opinion Find your flame is a little bit superior 🤓☝️
Great vid, would love to see a part 2. The one thing I will somewhat defend from this guy is Mario's moving as electricity counting towards his base reaction speeds. In Mario Odyssey, to my knowledge there's nothing that implies Mario gets any kind of boost in his ability to react or anything when he uses Cappy for possession, it's just cramming his consciousness into the enemy he targets. So him being able to react to threats and such while possessing the electric enemy actually should count towards Mario's reaction speeds in base. That's kind of a moot point however, Since Mario has a ton of infinitely better speed feats in his base form anyway
How mario has better speed feats in base form than sonic?
@Denise-jm1cz He doesn't. Sonic undoes time erasure just by moving around and can explore an infinite sized dimension in a finite amount of time. Mario as far as I can tell has nothing on that level
Yall can debate me, Mario > Sonic, it's facts.
Can everyone just admit that there bias this is coming from someone who doesn't like the characters
@@matthewpierre-canel5890 Yes, I am bias, I like Mario, but I like Sonic more and that's why I think Sonic wins
@@matthewpierre-canel5890debate him you’ll lose
@Pinnacle12345 bros talking like I was trying to and judging by your profile picture your bias towards Mario which isn't helping
@@matthewpierre-canel5890I’m not even biased towards mario and I’m a sonic fan and sonic’s speed is inconsistent as hell even sega made a statement about “worlds fastest supersonic speed!” And it’s been stated in sonic frontiers and in sonic generations guidebook he’s not even light speed
Idk if this video was worth making. The guy kinda was just trying to low-ball Sonic despite Mario and Sonic doing nearly the same stuff.
@@RaijinRain that's basically both fans honestly.
Mario fans down play sonic and upscale mario, sonic fans keeps Mario and Sonic's scaling. keeping respectful just like how power scaling should be
9:14 | Also, the 3 of them fought solaris in different timelines, so each one of them (Sonic Shadow and Silver) had to 1v1 Solaris. {i've got this informations from youtube videos, correct me if they didn't have to 1v1 Solaris or something is wrong}
Can’t wait for the Mario fans to start coping over this video. Sonic obviously slams the plumber.
Says the "Sonic is outerversal" guy
@ Yes because he is, I have no problem with Mario being that level either. He still doesn’t beat Sonic.
@axiom6000 keep holding on to that trash take
The part 2 of his video was even worse😂 and he had the nerve to make fun of Geburah’s debunk video on him when his sucks.
@@ashuraomega1000 Not a trash take when it’s true but whatever
Look, I asked chat gpt and it literally said Sonic wins over in conclusion. Try it.
At the end of the day Sonic fights gods or robots using the power of Gods as the final boss in almost every single game, this battle is just not fair and will never be fair
If we do add power ups into the fight if mario had a White Tanooki leaf I think he would have a good chance at beating sonic since it would make him immune to all damage and cause sonic to die If he touched him
Okay here’s the thing, Sonic can beat Mario in a race, but Mario can beat Sonic in physical strength, durability, experience, but most of all every single power ups. Mario can use the power ups to defeat Sonic and even Sonic can use the power of the Chaos Emeralds, Mario can use the power stars or the grand stars (if that ever happen, MAKE IT HAPPEN NINTENDO) to surpass the chaos emeralds. But if you watch the Bowser Vs. Dr. Eggman, the Wonder Flower can alter the entire universe. If Mario gets the Wonder Flower, Sonic can become slow or in the new Mario and Luigi game, there’s a new ability call the time stop which can literally stop time and hit Sonic as hard with his hammer. So my point, Mario beats Sonic, except for racing.
lmao faxxx and truth
Nope...
Sonic stomps Mario
Live with it pal
@@Xmakesmusiclol that means you never played video games in your life bro
@@Xmakesmusiclol mario stomps live with it pal
@@Xmakesmusiclol .............what
I hope the creator of that argument sees this vid because he needs to learn how to do research.
For me Mario vs Sonic is SO close.
Sonic wins obviously but it is a fact that both of these Gaming titans are so close.
0:12
that description reminds me of the stuff you'd see in 2008-2014 internet
Here is a list of the sonic power scaling. As you can see, sonic cooks fiction.
1) in sonic cd he time traveled by running AND IT WASN’T THE SIGNS.
2) in Archie he threw the ball of water in a femtosecond
3) the light speed dash can be activated at will in adventure 1 a trail of rings wasn’t needed you could just do it.
4) in Archie he threw sand and ran on it before it fell.
5) in 06 he reacted to solaris who was an omnipresent being who destroys timelines casually
6) again in Archie he ran across Mobius in seconds
7) in Archie it’s stated that he can run to every planet in the universe in a second
8) in Archie it is stated that he is the embodiment of chaos and fate bends to his will, giving him actual plot armor making him physically unbeatable.
8 1/2) if he is the embodiment of chaos theoretically he could induce chaos control on his own.
9) in sonic unleashed using the light speed dash measures somewhere around 300 but if you upgrade your running to the max it is over 3000 like they said in the video so your top speed is way past light.
10) in generations he went so fast that time and space reformed around him and the timeline repaired itself.
11) in Archie he could use the genesis wave which allows the user to change the universe more drastically the more chaos emeralds they have. Performing it with all 7 lets you do the super genesis wave which allows you to alter reality in any way you want.
12) sonic would also be able to punch infinitely hard because of striking force (the faster you are moving the harder you hit and sonic is immeasurably if not irrelevantly fast)
13) in forces he escaped null space which is a closed off space where nothing exists.
14) in prime and in Archie he ran through the fabric of dimensions.
15) Super emeralds are chaos emeralds enhanced by the master emerald. With one he can become ultra sonic who adapts to his environment and can manipulate space reality and the elements at an atomic level. When you have all 7 super emeralds you can turn hyper which can do all of that. Now pair that with the genesis wave.
16) in secret rings he ran across the night palace which is an infinite space.
17) in secret rings je was immune to erazor djinn manipulating the reality of the Arabian nights and only used 3 world rings to defeat him.
18) he fell from space several time without a scratch or even being disoriented
19) in Archie he a black hole generator exploded (because of him) and it sent him flying 189000 light years away or smthn and he survived the impact fine enough.
20) rings essentially function as extra lives for sonic and he has collected billions of them.
21) super sonic canonically doesn’t need rings
22) in Archie time was stopped completely but sonic continued to move normally.
23) sonic grows in power exponentially every single second as confirmed in forces.
24) in archie he beat scourge otherwise known as anti sonic. He is sonic from another dimension where he is evil and he beat scourge who was powered up by the master emerald from his world AND he went super scourge.
25) in sonic colors he outran a blackhole
26) he did chaos control with a FAKE CHAOS EMERALD in SA2
27) in archie, using his super form he reset the entire universe with chaos control
28) in sonic battle he beat emerl, a robot designed by ancient cultures that could copy any technique and had previously beaten sonic and shadow.
29) Super sonic along side burning blaze defeated the egg salamander and the egg wizard who were mechs designed by eggman about to destroy the sol dimension (blazes universe) and the chaos dimension (sonics universe)
30) in sonic generations he beat perfect chaos, a god of destruction amplified by the negative power of the chaos emeralds p, in his base form, when originally in sonic adventure he had to go super.
31) in the three times he activated ultra sonic (mentioned earlier) two were induced by rings only, not a super emerald. And yes, he does turn into super sonic with just rings which can be combined with this form.
32) not really a power scale but he has a lot of friends ready to help him out
33) in sonic x, sonic turned into dark sonic and destroyed two machines who were basically upgraded metal sonics with the data of all of sonic's battles, in seconds
34) he beat dark gaia, the embodiment of darkness and all things evil in the universe in sonic unleashed
35) in sonic frontiers, he defeated the end which is a gigantic machine capable of annihilating planets and controls all fate in the universe.
36) shadow was designed to be the ultimate life form purposefully. It required extensive research, chaos energy, and the DNA of an alien conqueror called black doom to create, then he needed special boots to go at the speeds he does, plus he needs special rings around his wrists to not explode. Now, sonic can do all of that, without special boots, or rings, but he can do it better, he can also do chaos control, and he has countless other talents, and he was born naturally with nothing special.
37) during sonic frontiers, in a weakened state he destroyed all of the titans, who were giant machines created purely of chaos energy and were designed to match the end.
38) in sonic generations he beat the time eater who was a being that could manipulate, alter, and destroy time. He had the capability of destroying everything and he did.
39) it’s stated in several manuals that sonic regularly travels at light speed.
40) sonic is just cooler
if anyone can add to this please do in the comments, and I'm not very good at scaling Mario so any fans out there I'm open to discuss in the comments.
@@cozmodiego1727 Only some of these are valid, other than that
The End is the embodiment of Death, not a robot.
Sonic X and Archie aren’t canon. While they are recognized by official media and staff statements to be alternate dimensions TO the games, the Sonic’s in both are completely different characters, so any feats from their respective series that aren’t primarily preformed in the games can’t be used.
A lot of these feats are just gassing up characters’ statements and not their feats. Yes, Dark Gaia is evil incarnate, but you probably should have mentioned it’s actual feats like being able to forge barriers capable of enduring a post 06/SATSR Super Sonic, or it’s very presence could sap the luster from the Emeralds.
Shadow doesn’t need his air shoes to go fast, there’s even scenes that depict Shadow running without skating.
The Dial’s implosion sent him back 840,000 Light Years
And FTL feats are redundant to mention since you already pointed out Sonic’s multiple Immeasurable Speed Feats.
@@Keisezrgs te list isn't taking into account the dif universes but regardless the point gets across
@@Keisezrgs i also want to mention the shadow air shoes let him run *faster* he can run high above average without them but not as good. and i wanted to mention everything i could anyways
“Cooks fiction”
Is a bit of an exaggeration
@@Shonin23 i know that one punch man, popeye, wally west all can fight him. But idk about a lot of other characters. The list speaks for itself.
20:43 not really starman mario can still die by getting cruched,lava and bottemloos pit
I swear, mfs be making 30 minute debunk videos and yet they can’t even handle less than 10 minutes of facts 😭
Mario gets his ass clapped. Those are the facts
Bro gets one shotted by the white tanooki suit 😔
@TheNelsonShowRebooted Mario gets clapped by Sanic
Bro is gonna get turned into gold…
Mario gets soloed just deal with it pal
I really hate bias. As someone who is a massive sonic fan of course I want sonic to win but you have to put your bias aside when you do vs battles. People like this ruin vs debates I swear to god. (Sonic no diffs by the way)
I do think Mario CAN beat Sonic sometimes but, I THINK Sonic wins more often than not
Y’all fail to realize that if it’s M&L series Mario then sonic would be absolutely demolished, ain’t no way bros beating that well timed A press
@@TheRealLTO 😅
Two words and mario is finished:
Spin dash
Or just one
Boost....
Before my man can even react....the blue rodent will turn him to ground meat
until you realized mario reacted to the light beam and is buffed even more in brothership also one word for mario to destroy sonic fire punch
@@drebound-h1l2 words
Excalibur sonic
That s**t alone defeats mario and only gets defeated by m&l mario
@@alptugraakan7490 2 words base mario that shi alone beats sonic mf couldn't even fight titans in basse and needed super form and in te end need help from sage eggman and the gang lmao also mario kun is mario and paper not a flalacy my nigga literally stated by the kun comics and games in japan my nigga shhh
@@alptugraakan7490 i kid you not mandl mario spinoff mario tpaper and kun mario are the same gotta learn the scalings of them llil bro they all are the same even said by culex an omniscent god that knows all so not a fllacy it is true except for asian and movie mario which are completly different
@@alptugraakan7490 two words maker mario
I think this is a satire video you can tell in his videos 😭
ARE yall that obsessed with sonic winning fights? The video is legit a JOKE. It legit says in the description of the video. Now yall your basicially letting your opinions affect your Intelligence like dude listen to how he calls the so called feats its obviously a joke... so learn to take one because now your all are slowly making yourself look dumb which I'm sure yall are not
@@RealityParrot the description never specified it to be satire and also says twice that it’s supposedly “facts”. But I guess reading is hard
Also it clearly wasn’t intended to be an “April fools” thing, as he doubled down and made a part 2 a few months back.
@@TheGamingRift11 But its also comedic too. Once again look at the description so the joke arguement still stands
@@TheGamingRift11 if you actually read it’s obvious :
Wanna learn about Mario vs Sonic? This is the TRUTH on who'd actually realistically win. Nothing but facts... No I'm not debating anyone in the comments. ...If anyone is even gonna be there.
Also this is a super opinionated comedy piece, but um.. STILL TOTALLY FACTUAL. I'm still right. Read that shit out loud and tell how you can even consider that serious.
You made yourself look dumb congrats.
Second description is no different:
I really, really didn't wanna make this lol. I started this video back in January, it was ten pages long, tons and tons of research. The video had more than 30 minutes worth the voiceclips. After a while, it just felt like a generic VS debate and lost the spirit of the first video. So I decided, nahhhh, it'd be more fun to shit on Sonic again lol. Don't take it so seriously this time, we're all having fun here.
Please don't @ me in your debunk videos. When I said it in the video I meant it
I'm finished with
this topic.
And if you even try to bother looking at some comments he says it’s for jokes. But yall sonic glazing meat riders wanna jump the gun and start crying because someone says Sonic is losing.
@@TonyLawrence-bb3pv bro even reads it and still takes it seriously 💀🤦♂️
If anything, it should be Kirby who should go against sonic, both have defeated beings that have unimaginable power, both defeated gods, and both have the most broken scales of power out of any Sega and Nintendo character
Super Sonic could grab Mario and throw him into the damn sun, cooked.
Sonic can just make Mario dizzy and beat his ass and Mario can't do anything about it.
I’m not even a mario fan I like him as a character While Mario in his base form was taking a shower from a lava and was resistance to the heat temperature in super Mario ds and Mario’s durability is pretty high and has resistance to that sun he would use fire flower and be perfectly fine not a great argument
@@Pinnacle12345 Fire Flower is not permanent, sun can last for billions of years, and he can't even leave it.
+ You got a Mario pfp sure you aren't a mario fan.
@@Chillin-jg8vg Yeah, he wouldn't need his super form, I just used it to prove how much better he can be at beating his ass than regular Sonic.
@@Swagmaster07 Attacking my pfp is actually pathetic in 2024 and yes it is infact permanent in super Mario bros game when you are trying to enter to a new level I’ve used a power up while trying to go to the next stage and it lasted for like infinitely I’ve waited for 3 hours for it to end if you don’t believe me I got proof to hurt your feelings lmfao I’ve done researches about sonic I’ll debunk every single of your argument
Like this a boss rush swapped sonic and Mario will need to face bosses swapped sonic will face Mario bosses and Mario will need to face sonic bosses and you think sonic loses to Mario bosses no he easily beats all of them easily no help meanwhile Mario help he needs help he just grabs his phone and calls Luigi and says "Luigi help" obviously you know who wins
You didn’t debunk jack, and no. The Mario Vs Sonic video that guy made was the BEST take.
His wasn't the BEST TAKE and there isn't one considering the fact that everyones bias
Prove it.
Maybe HIS best take. But compared to other people, it's an abomination based on no feats and all bias
@@StrawHatAura Firestriker is a Hitchens Razor victim
All fun and games until undefeatable starts playing. Jokes aside, i feel like they'd be homies or at the most, rivals
That clown's power scaling was so unbelievably wrong. Im not a power scaler but i could do a better job than that. Mario is getting stomped by sonic in 0.00000000000000000001 seconds
Just imagine how much the comments would tear him apart new one if he tried to argue that “Mario could easily curb-stomp Shadow the Hedgehog” using the same arguments as the Mario vs Sonic one.