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It's not that weird the Soviets agreed to assist with conversion, it gave them front row access to NATO requirements and any exploitable areas that might include.
It's Interesting that united Germany a Nato member inherit Soviet (communist) fighter planes and decide to use it on the other hand former communist country Yugoslavia bought US fighter planes itself which was qite odd namely US sold it and they decide to buy a capitalistic fighter planes. (130 pcs Sabre F 86 back in 1955)
Hey Bismark, this kinda reminds me of that little report that came out from somewhere stating their may be a unit out of area 51 or somewhere who buy aircraft from opposing powers and other countries but the weird part is fully equipped with all tech from the country of origin like supposedly they have all sorts of migs and God knows what else
I was an F15e crew chief with the 494th FS in Lakenheath England. In 1993 we went to Norvenich and trained with the Luftwaffe. They brought in a former E. German mig29 for us to fly against. The thing was a beast and our pilots had all they could handle. We (maintenance) got to sit in it and watch it launch. The German maintenance crews treated us well and we had a lot in common. Except while their migs were in the air they drank beer! For us that was Verboten ...... good times
_to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is._
Reminds me of an event described in Nick Richardson's No Escape Zone book. He was going to face German MiG-29s in his Sear Harrier during a training exercise and attempted to exploit a weakness associated with pulse-doppler radars to get the jump on the MiGs. The ploy, IIRC, worked, but the MiGs saw that coming, switched to IRST, and "shot him down" anyway. Shortly prior to the exercise, he made fun of the Germans for supposedly not having an equivalent to "fluffy" in their language, so after scoring a kill on him the German pilot who did it said to him "who is the fluffy one now?"
hell of a book, should have been a film although that Owen Wilson one copied it a bit. I was a little irked at a) how much the author thought of himself and b) that he seemed to make little effort to chase up the people that helped him after the war.
I enjoy the SU-27s your country employs, as well. Saw my first SU-27 just last year at RIAT. I love the sound they make and the manoeuvrability of that plane.
The Germans took a few Mig 29's over to RAF Valley in the summer of 1993 to fire AA-10 and AA-11 missiles on the Aberporth Missile Range. During those trials, they also did a number of air combat trials with a Tornado F Mk 3 of the Strike Operational Evaluation Unit at Boscombe Down controlled by the local Air Defence Radar station located at Ty-Croes just down the coast of Anglesey from the airfield. I was a radar Technician on the site at the time and happened to be on shift when the trials happened, so got to see it all in the Radar dispaly cabin which was packed to the gunnels by people wanting to watch. The Tornado won all of the fights at it got its Skyflash missiles off first every time (and on most occasions got a forward aspect AIM-9 shot off as well before the Mig-29 got a AA-10 shot off). The Mig 29 on the other hand got radar lock on first. I actually got to look around and sit in the aircraft at the Strike Command Air to Air Missile Establishment a few days later and got to see something I never expected to see ever. A Live Soviet Air to Air missile (AA-10) being carried on an RAF weapon loading trolley being towed by a Landrover!!
Something fishy there. You may have been there and thats what you saw but an AIM-9 of that era does not outrange an AA-10 especially head on. A Skyflash also only just outranges the base AA-10 so I dont know how the Tornadoes were getting Skyflashes off if the Mig-29s were getting locks first. None of that makes any sense. Mig-29s must have been holding back for some reason.
That's surprising to hear. I thought an air superiority fighter would beat an interceptor in an air to air battle. What were the rules of engagement if known?
@@Internetbutthurt maybe it's made or only half of the truth. Also I doubt the tornadoes whould ever get a shot of before the MIGs with the aim9m. The r73 also outranges it, also it has a better sensor so it should get tone first anyway
I was stationed at Bitburg AB, in 1973-1975. At that time we had F-4E's. I heard that later on, when the base was turned over to the Luftwaffe, they stationed Mig 29s there. Now the base is a commercial flugplatz.
I flew both the Mig29 and SU27 in Russia about 13 years ago now. The Mig29 was and is my favorite fighter, and I got to take the controls for about 5 minutes. Amazing aircraft considering the old control system, we pulled 8+ G, probably close to 9, several times in turns. The thrust was amazing, even in the 2 seat Mig it recovered airspeed very quickly. Also, the AA11 Archer missile with the helmet sight would have been a NASTY surprise for NATO in the mid to late 80s had war come, as the off boresight capability was beyond what NATO thought it was, that's for sure. The Germans when they flew against the US Navy F18s shortly after the end of the cold war, found out just how good that AA11/HMS combination was, and the West had nothing like it until the Joint helmet/Aim9x came along, many years later. Of course Western/NATO fighters BVR was much better, but in a massive ECM environment that would have been the front lines in Germany in a WW3 scenario, the IR missiles would probably been just as important as the BVR ones, if not more due to all the jamming.
You wrote this : ''Also, the AA11 Archer missile with the helmet sight would have been a NASTY surprise for NATO in the mid to late 80s had war come, as the off boresight capability was beyond what NATO thought it was, that's for sure. '' Not only in the mid to late 80's but in the whole 90's of course. Then this : ''Of course Western/NATO fighters BVR was much better...'' Completely incorrect . There was no fighter in NATO that could compare with mighty MiG-31 and his very long range radar N007 Zaslon and very long range missiles R-33/S ( max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target is 250kms ) . There was no fighter in NATO either that could compare with MiG-31 in speed-altitude domain. That heavy interceptor can fly over 21 kms of altitude with constant speed 2500km/h ( 2.35M as cruising speed on Minimal AB mode ) and with that flight parameters can fly almost 1500kms . in the 80s and 90s , NATO besides USN Tomcats had no fighter that could compare with Su-27S/P armed with more then 350kgs heavy long range missiles R-27ER/ET ( max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target is 150kms ) . Only air to air missile that NATO had was famous AIM-54 Phoenix with max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target 200kms . Missiles AIM-7M, british Skyflash and AMRAAM were no match for R-33/S and R-27E ,even for R-27 if we talk about max possible ( effective ) combat range against specific air target . So in close in combat ,NATO fighters against MiG-29 's and Su-27's ( HMS + R-73) would have little or no chance. In BVR combat against high flying Su-27S/P and MiG-31 with their R-27E and R-33/S , hm we can only assume what would happen with NATO fighters. One thing You must know , soviet fighters can engage enemies in so called radio-silence mode ,never heard that one of NATO fighters can do that. Old soviet combat tactics from 60' to nowdays is use of radar and IR guided missiles in BVR engagements ( or IR guided only in that RS mode ) . Take a look on Su-35S in Syria ,they are armed with pair of new radar guided R-77-1 and old IR guided R-27T . Soviet /russian philosophy of BVR is much different then western /NATO 'school'. One of westerners which wrote some details about soviet/russian BVR tactics and details is dr Carlo Kopp. You can find his site and articles and read some details . Best wishes!
Well I have also been inside this aircraft when my father was in Indian Navy, man it was one of the best moments. Well as per these notes you gave, Mig 29s radar systems was not effective but In the Kargil War in 1999 they were very effective. Having BVR missiles made them very effective and were able to lock on Pakistani F 16 in the Indian Territory but they weren't allowed to fire as it wasn't a full scale war.
That was symbolic price..but you have to pay for transport, overhauls and service....you couldnt afford transport of even one or two aircrafts. Second..for other countries not to mention private people price would be in milions. Why? Support of Poland is crucial for Germany. Why? Stronger and safer Poland is safer Germny. The only true danger is coming from east...Russia and Poalnd is in first line of defense. If Poland fall germany will be next.
You would have bought all of them along with all the costs that go with them. Jet fighters are not cheap to keep running. Yet alone store in running condition.
Hungary recieved 28 MiG-29s in the early 1990s as part of a debt settlement deal between Hungary and Russia. We were also going to recieve Su-27s but as Hungary decided to join the NATO, that deal tanked. The planes, despite their flaws (though tbh the range in a country sized like Hungary wasn't really an issue), were held in very high regard by the pilots, with Hungarian pilots winning a gold medal 5 times flying them at the Royal International Air Tatoo. They were retired in 2010 because the Air Force decided to lease(!) JAS-39 Gripens because of political reasons. While the Gripens are more modern in a lot of sense, you'll find no pilots who flew both planes and regard the Gripens superior to the old MiG.
@@zepter00 Yes, but how much does any of that matter in a modern context? Dog fighting is almost universally dismissed as medieval from a tactical point of view nowadays. It is unlikely that a fighter jet in a modern encounter would survive anywhere long enough to do any of those things. It would be shot down waaaaaay before any of those advantages become relevant in any significant way.
Klasse Video! Kaum zu glauben, dass ich mal ne Deutsche Mig29 in der Luft gesehen habe, gerade wenn man sieht wie "kurz" wir die operiert haben und wie wenige es gab. Hahn In Motion damals, geile Airshow (meine erste). War absolut beeindruckt vom senkrechten Steigflug und vom Donner der Triebwerke. Außerdem wurde damals noch die F4 vorgeflogen. Zu schade, dass ich damals noch keine Kamera hatte.....
The most beautiful fighter of the fourth generation, for me personally, is the Su-27! He is handsome and graceful. And the MiG-29 is just a utilitarian iron of the second line with strange proportions.
Germany: We need upgrades to NATO standards. Russia: Ok, we do that. No problem. Germany: Thank you.....wait a second....you have access to specifications?? Russia: Well...it's a standard, isn't? So everbody should know about, right? Germany: ....
Watching the 29's dance across the skys of Farnborough was breathtaking. Then up went the F16 & F18 with the same boring display year in and out and I honestly didn't think they would stand a chance against the mig... hey I was young and didn't have the benefit of Bismarck's excellent tutoridge.
One part of this period in time which is often forgotten is what happened to all the other aircraft that were inherited from the DDR (everything from fighter to transports). I personally, would find a video about this topic interesting
I crewed some of these at Seymour Johnson AFB back in 1999 I believe. The Germans brought them over for joint exercises. I was working TA at the time and we assisted the Germans with all their maintenance needs. Good times!
zepter00 and how many recently? Are you seriously suggesting they are still fit for service? Polish pilots are being asked to fly unsafe aircraft that aren’t being properly maintained due to a lack of parts. The pilot who was killed recently died as a result of a replacement part in the ejection seat malfunctioning.
ScipioRomanus no. 25 years was without accident. Last 3 were in 3 years . No.. no fit.. ., these aircrafts are old and outdated... it could be without cash but that is result of politics of PiS .. They even crashed dozens of limousines with most important politics in Poland... one accident was with President.. one with prime minister
james david manning You clearly don’t understand how military aircraft work. Just because something currently in service is called an F-15 doesn’t mean the airframe originated from the 1980s. Factory new F-15’s are being produced with brand new airframes and updated avionics and radar. These MiG’s are over 25+ years old. They need retiring as they are putting pilots lives at risk.
THERE IS NO WAY. I literally went to Berlin the DAY you uploaded this. I was there myself about 2 days later. I could instantly recognize the red lines protecting the displays, shame the far hangars are closed, the only one open atm was Hangar 2 or 3 (Can't remember) which had the Spanish HE-111 dangling from the roof.
Yep, just so you know, air squadrons would normally have a "squadron car", generally a beater, painted in squadron colors. Sometimes, they would affix radio antenna on the body of the car. Generally, the car registration and so forth would be the duties of the junior most pilot. Hey, at 0:42, is that indicator superimposed with an aircraft silhouette and back lit round concentric (what looks like LED's) the missile warning indicator?
That would be the SPO-15 "Beryoza" radar warning receiver, or RWR. It can be found in various "improved" versions on pretty much every soviet/Russian fighter, fighter bomber, interceptor etc. since the MiG-21(which the plane shillouette on the RWR is supposed to represent). Not a bad RWR in itself, it is however infamous for being possibly the least intuitive RWR display ever designed, partially because it's fully analogue, without even a single digital display. All information points to it still being in use in the same form on even the latest Russian fighter/bomber/et cetera... but better take this last info with a few grains of salt. Oh, it is also the source of virtually endless suffering for those flight sim players that like to fly Russian aircraft. ;)
@@sd501st5 Appreciate the full and detailed nomenclature on that device. It could have been some sort of small cathode ray tube (CRT) with a weird dial type (like a clock second hand) of indicator pointing in the direction of the emitter. It still looks cool. Bet it would scare the pants off the aviator to see that thing light up, plus some annunciation system telling him "yo, your being lit up!".
I actually fly on one of these ex german MiGs when coming to Poland. We are actually surprised by the level downgrading from the Russian version who was sold to Poland in 89. In Poland, we think we are seen by soviets less trustworthy then East Germany. Unfortunately, apart from the fact that the planes had worse equipment, they were also very worn-out. Most of the machines ended up donating parts for Russians and Czech models.
@@user-njyzcip MiG29G before upgrade to NATO systems was downgrade version of MiG29A. And all german MiG29 "sold" from Germany to Poland was worn out. Before this transaction, Poland has 1 squadron of MiG29, new from the Soviet Union, and exchange with the Czech Republic (this was my squadron). After a transaction, we tested these planes, most serve as parts donors, but small number serv in the second MiG29 squadron (previously flayed on MiG21). Later couple MiG29G from 2 squadron was retired and 2 squadron get couple MiG 29A planes from 1 squadron.
@Mialisus hahaha, haha, ha... Do you realise *how* fucked we all will be if they'd treat Germany as both FRG and GDR and give it ALL equipment though? Don't even joke about it.
@BlackDeathViral03 well, South Korea got shitload of T-80's and used them for some time(can't recall if they're still in service as training vehicles). If I recall right, some units from it like transmission were actually used to develops new units for K2. And with K1 being descendant of one of the two XM-1 prototypes, K2 basically have origins on both sides of Cold War. And not just any countries on those sides either...
yep after west and east Germany merged they tested it and realized that west germany hadn't have better and kept them as the best germany plane. Later US pilots use those planes for trening wasnt nice for them they realised that Mig in a hand of german pilot aint the same as MIG in a hand of a midle east pilot
@@altergreenhorn reminds of an old anecdote about MiG-15's in Korea. If you get on it's tail and it starts panicking not knowing what to do, you're good, it's chinese pilot, shoot him down. If you get on it's tail and it starts evading doing maneuvers that were obviously trained, run...
More Interesting Information. Agile Archer 2002 had saw these Migs flying Adversary roles against US Navy Hornets and Tomcats at NAS Key West. I watched a flight of them land while on the Bus to school.
What a great aircraft! Good to see the Fulcrum getting some love. I’m excited to see the “Inside the Cockpit” video featuring it! Also here to ask, would you suggest any books about the East German Air Force in general? Many thanks!
I had read much of what you reported. Spot on reporting! I know a US company was hired for some of the upgrades, a search should find it. Either Lockheed, Boeing, or Honeywell (major producer of air-nav equipment).
@BigLBA1 Die grund dafür wohl einfach sein könnte dass, es ist immer besser selbtständing zu sein und nicht von anderen Ländern oder von deren Wirthschaft oder Politischesorienatation abhägig sein. Sehe beispiel die Israelis hatten die Galil und UZI genau auf dieser grunde entwicklet um weitern embargos soweit wie möglich zuvermeiden. Polen ist bis heute im besitzt MIGs 29 aber seitdem Massnahmen gegen Russland sie erleben liefer probelemen für ihre Panzer sowie Flügzeuge.
Most of these airplane videos are a waste of time, just walking around the plane pointing at things. Your videos are certainly a cut above. Where else do you hear about BVR and helmet mounted targeting and guidance? Truly a YT gem. Thanks.
Interesting about the limitations of the radars look down shoot down capabilities. Earlier today I was watching a TH-cam video of an F-15 pilot up against the Mig-29 in the First Gulf War. He was in danger of being shot down so dived towards the ground so the the Mig lost him. While the Iraqi pilot was distracted the F-15 pilots wingman shot the Iraqi down.
This video was extremely well researched and presented in exquisite detail. I remember playing an early video game, I think it was "Falcon 3" where we got to fly not only the F-16s but the MIG-29 as well. It seemed to be a much heaver airplane to fly. I think I'll now look for the CD and see if it will work in a newer computer. Thanks for the very well done video.
The last pilot of that particular MiG-29 was apparently Oberleutnant Michael "Micha" Wegerich. This perfectly demonstrates the long tradition of non-existent creativity for nicknames/callsigns of German pilots and their respective Staffel(squadron). Compare and contrast this to Lt. Commander C.W. "Mover" Lemoine, who got his nickname for mowing down a herd of cows on a training gun run. In low light conditions and on thermal, most things look like blobs... until you get closer and suddenly there are hooves and legs without attached animals.
I'd love it if you could cover the specific upgrades the planes received in Poland. And how much life do those airframes have left in them at this point?
In Slovakia, we use Mig-29 AS which were given to us by Russia in 90's and they were newly made. In 2008 they have been upgraded to meet NATO standards by US/France and Russians :D
Thumbnail: *exists* My mind: The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
I remember seeing 4 Mig-29s flying over my home in Gateshead (North East England), this wasn't long after German unification - it was an amazing sight!
I was employed at RAF Gatow in the mid-to late 1970s. Sometime before I was there a Soviet Mig accidentally landed at Gatow Flugplatz but realizing his mistake took off immediately. It was a pretty exciting day!
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WoW, you pronounced that "спасибо, товарищи!" really good, with proper articulation, that was quite a surprise. I've known Russian since childhood (still have accent), but what's your story?
Folks I know who flew against the German Mig-29 at Red Flag had great respect for the IRST. If the Mig stayed low in the ground clutter and kept it's radar passive it had a very good chance of getting a firing solution before you knew it was there.
Great overview! Soviet aircraft usually had instruments in metric units, like altitude in metres and airspeed in km/h, was this also true for these Mig-29s? They seem to have been retrofitted at some point with instruments in nautical units...
Saw these at a Red Flag exercise once. Caught us off guard. Driving down the line, we were looking at what squadrons and countries were there. "There's the harriers...Tornados...and......mig 29s?!"
It doesn’t matter to be honest, we all know they are downgraded types and built specs according to the countries that orders them. It’s better to buy US fighters because they are easier to upgrade than Russians. Don’t get me wrong though, Russian full specs with upgrades are no jokes, but Germany hasn’t upgraded their Mig29, I bet it would fall against US F15, not the new one.
@@ajstyles5704 I don't understand, why you said it is easier to upgrade US jets, I mean we have bunch of Russian jets and we have completely upgraded it's avionics, radars, payloads, etc. Take Su 30MKI for example. And yeah Russian jets with full upgrades are no joke as you said, an Indian Mig 21 shot a Pakistani F 16 on early 2019
Krish Chamoli It will be an essay if I have to explain in details. - not the latest upgrades, as I said, most countries are upgrading what was downgraded in the first place. - drop the Mig21 seriously, there are reasons why Russia abandoned Delta wings. - Why the F Series are easier to upgrade? It’s American design, it’s more expensive but they won’t block you from getting top of the line upgrades and it’s easier to adapt them as Russian techs need to be redesigned to fit several types, while F series are nearly similar frame.
@@ajstyles5704 Well the reason why we aren't buying F series is because then we have to sign some policies like use aircrafts for self defense only, can't upgrade it and all. And it is said that Americans even sell fake parts and tracker and all.
Imagine if North and South Korea ever reunited they would have an airforce consisting of MiG-15s, MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-29s as well as F-4s, F-5s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-35s. Now I would pay to see that lmao
@@USSAnimeNCC- MiG-21 and MiG-23 can still be relevant if upgraded correctly. Also, in some instances, the MiG-23 proved to be superior to the F-16A and probably, to the F-16C, according to the Dutch Viper pilot, Leon Van Maurer, who had the chance to train together with The German Luftwaffe and their Soviet jets after the fall of the wall.
@@yurisv7315 "MiG-21 and MiG-23 can still be relevant if upgraded correctly." Or if you turn them into drones. Just saying. There's literary tens of thousands of chinese copies of MiG-21 on the market. Develop a conversion process and boom, ome of the best drones in the world.
@@TheArklyte the idea is good, but not if you convert a MiG-21, or a 23 into a drone. They have limited GS capabilites, but a MiG-27 might do the trick.
What a wonderful silouette of the plane. Definitely a serious piece of equipment during Cold War, and one may say even today in some aspects. Sadly this fbw jet was bit overshadowed by Sukhoi throughout the time. I learned from some technicians serving with plane that the it was easy to quickly refuel and rearm the plane with less personnel needed, and that in general the plane had shorter turnover times on ground than F15 / 16 / 18, when employed in real air war, but shorter lifespan of critical parts - especially engines and other. Its also one of few planes which was able to perform the "Cobra" maneuver, without thrust vectoring nozzles (same done by Saab J35 Draken and even Mig21 if not wrong) and which was later brought to mastery by the Flankers ans other Sukhoi's fighter jets equipped with 3D trust vectoring nozzles, opening them whole new realm of plane control, abilities and overall performance. Yet during 1990's you could see the maneuvre performed Mig 29 in many Air Shows around the Europe, as the fall of the communism and sudden end of Warszaw pact allowed many former members of the pact and their air forces/display pilots to attend airshows all around the Europe and U.S. (wondering about Asia) performing Pugachev's cobra. Along Russian pilots there were also other like Czech Col. Vaclav Vasek, one of the most known Mig 29 display pilots, aside those from Soviet Union/Russia.
Random question: a couple of years ago I saw one of your IL 2 videos were you took a ME 163 and managed to land it back. It was the most hilarious game play ever but I haven't been able to find it. All I remember is this funny American accent impression and you being highly skeptical of the Komet capabilities. Since then I haven't been able to find the video, would you have a link to it laying around?
I just want to expand on the history of the helmet system. The helmet system the soviets developed at that time, was not a first of its kind. The Soviets (with the use of spies, and other links) got the technology from the South Africans who developed it during the Angolan Bush war while fighting against the Soviets. The soviets realized the impact of such technology and so strived to get their hands on such information.
I sit here and ask myself from where I know this voice that read the text shown on screen. Suddenly i remember. It's the "Sheriff". This guy sounds like the Sheriff. Shortly after that he thanks the Sheriff for his work. I was like: *Damn I knew it* :D Sheriff is an awesome guy that back in the days made Battlefield plane tutorials and it helped me alot. It's so weird that I now watch a video here and suddenly hear his voice. So cool
Yeah it's obvious, during the 30's Germany and the Soviets cooperated a lot on tank and air designs away from the prying eyes of the former Entente powers. That's what you're talking about, right? XD
10:55 wait, the airframe and engines have a life expectancy of only 600 hours of flight time? How is that even possible? Pilots have to fly at least 20 hours a month just to keep certified
Absolutely incorect and as I wrote before , engines RD-33 have 350h of MBTO ( Mean Time Between Overhaul ) and aircraft has 800h ( flight hours) or 9 years ( timeline ) of MBTO . In total , MiG-29 has 40 years of lifetime .
Now that's a beautiful craft sharp sleek aesthetically pleasing in every way down to the unobtrusive camo bet it flys like a dream loved it in heatseaker
I've noticed a trend with US built aircraft and vehicles dating back to WWII. Other countries' pilots and soldiers always comment on the comfort and ergonomics of the US stuff. I remember reading that Guenther Rall was really impressed with the comfort of the P-51 and that captured and lend-lease Shermans were also thought to be more comfortable than the respective other country's tanks.
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It's not that weird the Soviets agreed to assist with conversion, it gave them front row access to NATO requirements and any exploitable areas that might include.
It's Interesting that united Germany a Nato member inherit Soviet (communist) fighter planes and decide to use it on the other hand former communist country Yugoslavia bought US fighter planes itself which was qite odd namely US sold it and they decide to buy a capitalistic fighter planes. (130 pcs Sabre F 86 back in 1955)
Hey Bismark, this kinda reminds me of that little report that came out from somewhere stating their may be a unit out of area 51 or somewhere who buy aircraft from opposing powers and other countries but the weird part is fully equipped with all tech from the country of origin like supposedly they have all sorts of migs and God knows what else
11:06 same reason why the Czechs also ditched the Mig-29 and gave them to Poland for rescue copters
Using the old tactic, pull the enemy in by the belt buckle.
I was an F15e crew chief with the 494th FS in Lakenheath England. In 1993 we went to Norvenich and trained with the Luftwaffe. They brought in a former E. German mig29 for us to fly against. The thing was a beast and our pilots had all they could handle. We (maintenance) got to sit in it and watch it launch. The German maintenance crews treated us well and we had a lot in common. Except while their migs were in the air they drank beer! For us that was Verboten ...... good times
Haha classic Germans. Drinking beer at every occasion 🍻
*The missile knows where it is at all times*
It knows this because it knows where it isn't
Sebastian up your tailpipe XD
By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation.
_to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is._
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That museum should have retained two MiG-29s, one in Luftwaffe livery and one in East German livery.
Split it in half, so you see one livery on each side
@@zrspangle That... actually sounds cool
@@zrspangle That's not a bad idea tbh, kinda symbolic
@@zrspangle King Solomon intensifies
@@lokeypokey9744 outstanding
They got MiG-29 because they couldn't resist their sexiness
F14 is sexier
@@spartanx9293 nah, not really
@@flakpak7941 yes really
@@spartanx9293 nah
@@flakpak7941 yah
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Soviet Union: *So it would seem*
"Gentlemen, you will always remember this as the decade you ALMOST puppeted East Ge--" *gets reunified*
Reminds me of an event described in Nick Richardson's No Escape Zone book. He was going to face German MiG-29s in his Sear Harrier during a training exercise and attempted to exploit a weakness associated with pulse-doppler radars to get the jump on the MiGs. The ploy, IIRC, worked, but the MiGs saw that coming, switched to IRST, and "shot him down" anyway. Shortly prior to the exercise, he made fun of the Germans for supposedly not having an equivalent to "fluffy" in their language, so after scoring a kill on him the German pilot who did it said to him "who is the fluffy one now?"
Fluffig.
That's absolutely brilliant
The German term for fluffy is: flauschig (pron.: flowshish)
hell of a book, should have been a film although that Owen Wilson one copied it a bit. I was a little irked at a) how much the author thought of himself and b) that he seemed to make little effort to chase up the people that helped him after the war.
Fulcrums are still going fairly strong in Ukraine, I'm lucky to witness their fly bys from to time.
I enjoy the SU-27s your country employs, as well. Saw my first SU-27 just last year at RIAT. I love the sound they make and the manoeuvrability of that plane.
Same in Rostov, Russia. I watch them flying pretty frequently. We also got one fulcrum as kind of monument(?) at a square of our city.
In Peru we have Mig 29 too and they are the proud of our air force!
In Malaysia, usually mig 29 goes fly by few times
Although I only see SU-30MKM once during airshow in Langkawi
In India we also see Mig 29UPG flying frequently patroling the areas near Pakistan and China. Man it is always a lovely sight.
The Germans took a few Mig 29's over to RAF Valley in the summer of 1993 to fire AA-10 and AA-11 missiles on the Aberporth Missile Range. During those trials, they also did a number of air combat trials with a Tornado F Mk 3 of the Strike Operational Evaluation Unit at Boscombe Down controlled by the local Air Defence Radar station located at Ty-Croes just down the coast of Anglesey from the airfield. I was a radar Technician on the site at the time and happened to be on shift when the trials happened, so got to see it all in the Radar dispaly cabin which was packed to the gunnels by people wanting to watch. The Tornado won all of the fights at it got its Skyflash missiles off first every time (and on most occasions got a forward aspect AIM-9 shot off as well before the Mig-29 got a AA-10 shot off). The Mig 29 on the other hand got radar lock on first. I actually got to look around and sit in the aircraft at the Strike Command Air to Air Missile Establishment a few days later and got to see something I never expected to see ever. A Live Soviet Air to Air missile (AA-10) being carried on an RAF weapon loading trolley being towed by a Landrover!!
Good old times
Something fishy there. You may have been there and thats what you saw but an AIM-9 of that era does not outrange an AA-10 especially head on. A Skyflash also only just outranges the base AA-10 so I dont know how the Tornadoes were getting Skyflashes off if the Mig-29s were getting locks first. None of that makes any sense. Mig-29s must have been holding back for some reason.
That's surprising to hear. I thought an air superiority fighter would beat an interceptor in an air to air battle. What were the rules of engagement if known?
@@Internetbutthurt maybe it's made or only half of the truth. Also I doubt the tornadoes whould ever get a shot of before the MIGs with the aim9m. The r73 also outranges it, also it has a better sensor so it should get tone first anyway
@@babsrahman sound like Bs to me
I was stationed at Bitburg AB, in 1973-1975. At that time we had F-4E's. I heard that later on, when the base was turned over to the Luftwaffe, they stationed Mig 29s there. Now the base is a commercial flugplatz.
I flew both the Mig29 and SU27 in Russia about 13 years ago now. The Mig29 was and is my favorite fighter, and I got to take the controls for about 5 minutes. Amazing aircraft considering the old control system, we pulled 8+ G, probably close to 9, several times in turns. The thrust was amazing, even in the 2 seat Mig it recovered airspeed very quickly. Also, the AA11 Archer missile with the helmet sight would have been a NASTY surprise for NATO in the mid to late 80s had war come, as the off boresight capability was beyond what NATO thought it was, that's for sure. The Germans when they flew against the US Navy F18s shortly after the end of the cold war, found out just how good that AA11/HMS combination was, and the West had nothing like it until the Joint helmet/Aim9x came along, many years later. Of course Western/NATO fighters BVR was much better, but in a massive ECM environment that would have been the front lines in Germany in a WW3 scenario, the IR missiles would probably been just as important as the BVR ones, if not more due to all the jamming.
Yes, correct. The strategie was another. The plane and the missle very good.
SerHaHa I flew them both in dcs a few days ago lol, I prefer the Flanker but the mig29 sure is a formidable opponent
You wrote this :
''Also, the AA11 Archer missile with the helmet sight would have been a NASTY surprise for NATO in the mid to late 80s had war come, as the off boresight capability was beyond what NATO thought it was, that's for sure. ''
Not only in the mid to late 80's but in the whole 90's of course.
Then this :
''Of course Western/NATO fighters BVR was much better...''
Completely incorrect . There was no fighter in NATO that could compare with mighty MiG-31 and his very long range radar N007 Zaslon and very long range missiles R-33/S ( max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target is 250kms ) . There was no fighter in NATO either that could compare with MiG-31 in speed-altitude domain. That heavy interceptor can fly over 21 kms of altitude with constant speed 2500km/h ( 2.35M as cruising speed on Minimal AB mode ) and with that flight parameters can fly almost 1500kms .
in the 80s and 90s , NATO besides USN Tomcats had no fighter that could compare with Su-27S/P armed with more then 350kgs heavy long range missiles R-27ER/ET ( max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target is 150kms ) . Only air to air missile that NATO had was famous AIM-54 Phoenix with max effective authorised oper range against big incoming air target 200kms .
Missiles AIM-7M, british Skyflash and AMRAAM were no match for R-33/S and R-27E ,even for R-27 if we talk about max possible ( effective ) combat range against specific air target .
So in close in combat ,NATO fighters against MiG-29 's and Su-27's ( HMS + R-73) would have little or no chance. In BVR combat against high flying Su-27S/P and MiG-31 with their R-27E and R-33/S , hm we can only assume what would happen with NATO fighters.
One thing You must know , soviet fighters can engage enemies in so called radio-silence mode ,never heard that one of NATO fighters can do that.
Old soviet combat tactics from 60' to nowdays is use of radar and IR guided missiles in BVR engagements ( or IR guided only in that RS mode ) . Take a look on Su-35S in Syria ,they are armed with pair of new radar guided R-77-1 and old IR guided R-27T .
Soviet /russian philosophy of BVR is much different then western /NATO 'school'. One of westerners which wrote some details about soviet/russian BVR tactics and details is dr Carlo Kopp.
You can find his site and articles and read some details . Best wishes!
Yeah? Sure thing! I've flown the SR-71, the F-4 Phantom and took a A-380 for a quick joy flight when the captain snuck out to have a smoke.
@@reganmacneil2578 pathetic.
I am the admiral of Fusion-ion alpha centauri lander
The MiG-29 is the most beautiful air fighter of all time and the Mikoyan Design Bureau This is a legend in the aircraft industry
Well I have also been inside this aircraft when my father was in Indian Navy, man it was one of the best moments. Well as per these notes you gave, Mig 29s radar systems was not effective but In the Kargil War in 1999 they were very effective. Having BVR missiles made them very effective and were able to lock on Pakistani F 16 in the Indian Territory but they weren't allowed to fire as it wasn't a full scale war.
the soviet/russian jets we have are pretty heavily equiped with french, israeli and indegeneous equipment, specially avionics.
@@chinmaysharma9213 it is the 21st century, I am talking about the late 20th Century.
@@AnIndianPatriot i am not aware of that time man.
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If I knew they were selling off their Mig-29s for €1, then I would have got one!
I would have bought all of them. I would have pre-ordered them.
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That was symbolic price..but you have to pay for transport, overhauls and service....you couldnt afford transport of even one or two aircrafts. Second..for other countries not to mention private people price would be in milions. Why? Support of Poland is crucial for Germany. Why? Stronger and safer Poland is safer Germny. The only true danger is coming from east...Russia and Poalnd is in first line of defense. If Poland fall germany will be next.
You would have bought all of them along with all the costs that go with them.
Jet fighters are not cheap to keep running. Yet alone store in running condition.
@@Hebdomad7 if I had to sell the house and live out of the car, so be it.
What a beatiful voice of that MiG 29 Pilot
Aye, Oliver did a good job
@@MilitaryAviationHistory god damit
The MiG pilot sounds thicc as fuck 😍🍻 Prost!
@@SheriffsSimShack mwhaha
They're just glider pilots doing a bit of glider training really. Nothing to see here.
BTW, who came up with "You can't miss Gatow", Arthur Harris?
As a kid in the late 80s, early 90s, I went through a jet phase. And the Mig-29 was one of my favourite at the time. It was just such a sexy design.
Hungary recieved 28 MiG-29s in the early 1990s as part of a debt settlement deal between Hungary and Russia. We were also going to recieve Su-27s but as Hungary decided to join the NATO, that deal tanked. The planes, despite their flaws (though tbh the range in a country sized like Hungary wasn't really an issue), were held in very high regard by the pilots, with Hungarian pilots winning a gold medal 5 times flying them at the Royal International Air Tatoo. They were retired in 2010 because the Air Force decided to lease(!) JAS-39 Gripens because of political reasons. While the Gripens are more modern in a lot of sense, you'll find no pilots who flew both planes and regard the Gripens superior to the old MiG.
I doubt the last part lol. The Gripen is superior where ever it counts today lol
@@possiblyadickhead6653 believe that. In first couple years they lost two gripen. Pilots survive.
@@zeljkomikulicic4378 seems tho this hasn't to do much about which plane is superior
Dynamic performanće on tropem..acceleratiom, rate of climb, max speed, Sevice ceeling is much better in MiG-29
@@zepter00 Yes, but how much does any of that matter in a modern context? Dog fighting is almost universally dismissed as medieval from a tactical point of view nowadays. It is unlikely that a fighter jet in a modern encounter would survive anywhere long enough to do any of those things. It would be shot down waaaaaay before any of those advantages become relevant in any significant way.
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Kaum zu glauben, dass ich mal ne Deutsche Mig29 in der Luft gesehen habe, gerade wenn man sieht wie "kurz" wir die operiert haben und wie wenige es gab.
Hahn In Motion damals, geile Airshow (meine erste). War absolut beeindruckt vom senkrechten Steigflug und vom Donner der Triebwerke. Außerdem wurde damals noch die F4 vorgeflogen. Zu schade, dass ich damals noch keine Kamera hatte.....
because it's one of the most beautiful, if not the most beautiful, fourth-generation jet fighter.
not the most for Russia that title goes to the su30sm and for the states the tomcat
The most beautiful fighter of the fourth generation, for me personally, is the Su-27! He is handsome and graceful. And the MiG-29 is just a utilitarian iron of the second line with strange proportions.
Germany: We need upgrades to NATO standards.
Russia: Ok, we do that. No problem.
Germany: Thank you.....wait a second....you have access to specifications??
Russia: Well...it's a standard, isn't? So everbody should know about, right?
Germany: ....
... and your point is?
Watching the 29's dance across the skys of Farnborough was breathtaking. Then up went the F16 & F18 with the same boring display year in and out and I honestly didn't think they would stand a chance against the mig... hey I was young and didn't have the benefit of Bismarck's excellent tutoridge.
Check out recent airshows of early F-18 versions. It is far more agile than they would show back when the cold war was on everyone's mind always.
One part of this period in time which is often forgotten is what happened to all the other aircraft that were inherited from the DDR (everything from fighter to transports). I personally, would find a video about this topic interesting
I’ve always admired the Mikoyan Gurevich planes. Great to see one up close.
I crewed some of these at Seymour Johnson AFB back in 1999 I believe. The Germans brought them over for joint exercises. I was working TA at the time and we assisted the Germans with all their maintenance needs. Good times!
They ended up in Poland where they've sadly been dropping out of the sky far too often recently. Airframes and engines are now far too old.
Mig-29 in Poalnd had only 3 crashes in almost 30 years of service in Polish air forces
zepter00 and how many recently? Are you seriously suggesting they are still fit for service? Polish pilots are being asked to fly unsafe aircraft that aren’t being properly maintained due to a lack of parts. The pilot who was killed recently died as a result of a replacement part in the ejection seat malfunctioning.
F15s are just as old and still performing.
ScipioRomanus no. 25 years was without accident. Last 3 were in 3 years . No.. no fit.. ., these aircrafts are old and outdated... it could be without cash but that is result of politics of PiS .. They even crashed dozens of limousines with most important politics in Poland... one accident was with President.. one with prime minister
james david manning You clearly don’t understand how military aircraft work. Just because something currently in service is called an F-15 doesn’t mean the airframe originated from the 1980s. Factory new F-15’s are being produced with brand new airframes and updated avionics and radar. These MiG’s are over 25+ years old. They need retiring as they are putting pilots lives at risk.
THERE IS NO WAY.
I literally went to Berlin the DAY you uploaded this. I was there myself about 2 days later.
I could instantly recognize the red lines protecting the displays, shame the far hangars are closed, the only one open atm was Hangar 2 or 3 (Can't remember) which had the Spanish HE-111 dangling from the roof.
Yep, just so you know, air squadrons would normally have a "squadron car", generally a beater, painted in squadron colors. Sometimes, they would affix radio antenna on the body of the car. Generally, the car registration and so forth would be the duties of the junior most pilot. Hey, at 0:42, is that indicator superimposed with an aircraft silhouette and back lit round concentric (what looks like LED's) the missile warning indicator?
No it's a Radar warning receiver
That would be the SPO-15 "Beryoza" radar warning receiver, or RWR. It can be found in various "improved" versions on pretty much every soviet/Russian fighter, fighter bomber, interceptor etc. since the MiG-21(which the plane shillouette on the RWR is supposed to represent).
Not a bad RWR in itself, it is however infamous for being possibly the least intuitive RWR display ever designed, partially because it's fully analogue, without even a single digital display. All information points to it still being in use in the same form on even the latest Russian fighter/bomber/et cetera... but better take this last info with a few grains of salt.
Oh, it is also the source of virtually endless suffering for those flight sim players that like to fly Russian aircraft. ;)
@@possiblyadickhead6653 Thanks for the info. Suppose it lights up really nice when it is lit up.
@@sd501st5 Appreciate the full and detailed nomenclature on that device. It could have been some sort of small cathode ray tube (CRT) with a weird dial type (like a clock second hand) of indicator pointing in the direction of the emitter. It still looks cool. Bet it would scare the pants off the aviator to see that thing light up, plus some annunciation system telling him "yo, your being lit up!".
@@FrankC321 na at least not in DCS,
I actually fly on one of these ex german MiGs when coming to Poland. We are actually surprised by the level downgrading from the Russian version who was sold to Poland in 89. In Poland, we think we are seen by soviets less trustworthy then East Germany.
Unfortunately, apart from the fact that the planes had worse equipment, they were also very worn-out.
Most of the machines ended up donating parts for Russians and Czech models.
Which model was downgraded compared to which? Which machines were worn out?
@@user-njyzcip MiG29G before upgrade to NATO systems was downgrade version of MiG29A. And all german MiG29 "sold" from Germany to Poland was worn out. Before this transaction, Poland has 1 squadron of MiG29, new from the Soviet Union, and exchange with the Czech Republic (this was my squadron). After a transaction, we tested these planes, most serve as parts donors, but small number serv in the second MiG29 squadron (previously flayed on MiG21). Later couple MiG29G from 2 squadron was retired and 2 squadron get couple MiG 29A planes from 1 squadron.
@@mikolajgrotowski thanks for the clarification
Mikolaj Grotowski another example of The Soviets downgrading equipment sold to foreign nations were the T72 tanks sold to Iraq.
@@harshbansal7982 The US downgraded their exported Abrams' too
Short Answer: Because it's a good Plane.
If you actually ignore the fact that it had a short range, it was actually a really good jet.
@Mialisus hahaha, haha, ha...
Do you realise *how* fucked we all will be if they'd treat Germany as both FRG and GDR and give it ALL equipment though? Don't even joke about it.
@BlackDeathViral03 well, South Korea got shitload of T-80's and used them for some time(can't recall if they're still in service as training vehicles). If I recall right, some units from it like transmission were actually used to develops new units for K2. And with K1 being descendant of one of the two XM-1 prototypes, K2 basically have origins on both sides of Cold War. And not just any countries on those sides either...
yep after west and east Germany merged they tested it and realized that west germany hadn't have better and kept them as the best germany plane.
Later US pilots use those planes for trening wasnt nice for them they realised that Mig in a hand of german pilot aint the same as MIG in a hand of a midle east pilot
@@altergreenhorn reminds of an old anecdote about MiG-15's in Korea.
If you get on it's tail and it starts panicking not knowing what to do, you're good, it's chinese pilot, shoot him down.
If you get on it's tail and it starts evading doing maneuvers that were obviously trained, run...
More Interesting Information. Agile Archer 2002 had saw these Migs flying Adversary roles against US Navy Hornets and Tomcats at NAS Key West. I watched a flight of them land while on the Bus to school.
What a great aircraft! Good to see the Fulcrum getting some love. I’m excited to see the “Inside the Cockpit” video featuring it! Also here to ask, would you suggest any books about the East German Air Force in general? Many thanks!
I had read much of what you reported. Spot on reporting!
I know a US company was hired for some of the upgrades, a search should find it. Either Lockheed, Boeing, or Honeywell (major producer of air-nav equipment).
The air museum at Krakow, Poland is well worth a visit. Lots of cold war jets.
Can’t wait to see the cockpit and walk around video done. Good choice to document.
Thank you for this. It was fascinating hearing the unadulterated commects of the MiG 29 pilots comparing their planes to Western planes.
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@BigLBA1 Die grund dafür wohl einfach sein könnte dass, es ist immer besser selbtständing zu sein und nicht von anderen Ländern oder von deren Wirthschaft oder Politischesorienatation abhägig sein. Sehe beispiel die Israelis hatten die Galil und UZI genau auf dieser grunde entwicklet um weitern embargos soweit wie möglich zuvermeiden.
Polen ist bis heute im besitzt MIGs 29 aber seitdem Massnahmen gegen Russland sie erleben liefer probelemen für ihre Panzer sowie Flügzeuge.
Great episode! I really enjoyed the comparisons and the input from the pilots.
Most of these airplane videos are a waste of time, just walking around the plane pointing at things. Your videos are certainly a cut above. Where else do you hear about BVR and helmet mounted targeting and guidance? Truly a YT gem. Thanks.
Interesting about the limitations of the radars look down shoot down capabilities. Earlier today I was watching a TH-cam video of an F-15 pilot up against the Mig-29 in the First Gulf War. He was in danger of being shot down so dived towards the ground so the the Mig lost him. While the Iraqi pilot was distracted the F-15 pilots wingman shot the Iraqi down.
I feel like the title is for those people who never heard of the Berlin Wall
This video was extremely well researched and presented in exquisite detail. I remember playing an early video game, I think it was "Falcon 3" where we got to fly not only the F-16s but the MIG-29 as well. It seemed to be a much heaver airplane to fly. I think I'll now look for the CD and see if it will work in a newer computer. Thanks for the very well done video.
The last pilot of that particular MiG-29 was apparently Oberleutnant Michael "Micha" Wegerich. This perfectly demonstrates the long tradition of non-existent creativity for nicknames/callsigns of German pilots and their respective Staffel(squadron).
Compare and contrast this to Lt. Commander C.W. "Mover" Lemoine, who got his nickname for mowing down a herd of cows on a training gun run. In low light conditions and on thermal, most things look like blobs... until you get closer and suddenly there are hooves and legs without attached animals.
09:02: Loved the "+ new camo!" sales add (y)
Can't wait till this is added to War Thunder
Mig-29 vs F-14/15 would be sick
@@BohemianCloud35 on the ground you have a space-brams vs T-180
For what? For making idiotic dogfights with some f-18 or shooting missiles which it couldn't use? It exists in DCS already as i know, that's enough
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@@raketny_hvost Eurofighter v Trabant F-1 would be a close run thing.
A case of keeping your friends close, your enemies closer.
how original! did you come up with that all by yourself?
@@MrSpiker26 Why yes, tank uou.
Thank You! That was perfect. I always wondered what the strengths & weaknesses were
Fantastic video.
Thank you for telling this very revealing story. I had no idea about it.
Keep up the great work. Cheers
I'd love it if you could cover the specific upgrades the planes received in Poland. And how much life do those airframes have left in them at this point?
-Can I have a MiG 29?
-No, we have MiG 29 at home
MiG 29 at home; Trabant 29+13
On the mig printed «учебная» it’s meaning training not for the fight.
I learned something new thank you sir this was very interesting to learn .
In Slovakia, we use Mig-29 AS which were given to us by Russia in 90's and they were newly made. In 2008 they have been upgraded to meet NATO standards by US/France and Russians :D
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My mind: The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns,
I remember seeing 4 Mig-29s flying over my home in Gateshead (North East England), this wasn't long after German unification - it was an amazing sight!
Ha ha Chris I can guess who does dialogue for you!
Who?
Gabriel Farelyo Purwanto one voice is the military history not visualized gentleman..
@@johnaitken7430 huh???
@@LuqmanHM Bernard Kast from MHV
@@johnaitken7430 that doesn't make any sense.
The Mig 29 Fulcrum multi role combat aircraft, will still remain one of the best and the most sexiest military combat aircraft that has ever built. 👍👍
I was employed at RAF Gatow in the mid-to late 1970s. Sometime before I was there a Soviet Mig accidentally landed at Gatow Flugplatz but realizing his mistake took off immediately. It was a pretty exciting day!
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My friend, you got a sub for sure, really liked this video, learned a lot today..
WoW, you pronounced that "спасибо, товарищи!" really good, with proper articulation, that was quite a surprise. I've known Russian since childhood (still have accent), but what's your story?
I remember reading as a kid the Air and Space article on Fighterwing 73 which had the Fulcrums and former East German pilots (Ossis)
Folks I know who flew against the German Mig-29 at Red Flag had great respect for the IRST. If the Mig stayed low in the ground clutter and kept it's radar passive it had a very good chance of getting a firing solution before you knew it was there.
Such a beautiful looking aircraft honestly.
Great overview! Soviet aircraft usually had instruments in metric units, like altitude in metres and airspeed in km/h, was this also true for these Mig-29s? They seem to have been retrofitted at some point with instruments in nautical units...
Saw these at a Red Flag exercise once. Caught us off guard. Driving down the line, we were looking at what squadrons and countries were there. "There's the harriers...Tornados...and......mig 29s?!"
I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the people who will click on this can already figure out the answer. Still a good watch though.
It doesn’t matter to be honest, we all know they are downgraded types and built specs according to the countries that orders them. It’s better to buy US fighters because they are easier to upgrade than Russians. Don’t get me wrong though, Russian full specs with upgrades are no jokes, but Germany hasn’t upgraded their Mig29, I bet it would fall against US F15, not the new one.
@@ajstyles5704 I don't understand, why you said it is easier to upgrade US jets, I mean we have bunch of Russian jets and we have completely upgraded it's avionics, radars, payloads, etc. Take Su 30MKI for example. And yeah Russian jets with full upgrades are no joke as you said, an Indian Mig 21 shot a Pakistani F 16 on early 2019
Krish Chamoli It will be an essay if I have to explain in details.
- not the latest upgrades, as I said, most countries are upgrading what was downgraded in the first place.
- drop the Mig21 seriously, there are reasons why Russia abandoned Delta wings.
- Why the F Series are easier to upgrade? It’s American design, it’s more expensive but they won’t block you from getting top of the line upgrades and it’s easier to adapt them as Russian techs need to be redesigned to fit several types, while F series are nearly similar frame.
@@ajstyles5704 Well the reason why we aren't buying F series is because then we have to sign some policies like use aircrafts for self defense only, can't upgrade it and all. And it is said that Americans even sell fake parts and tracker and all.
Imagine if North and South Korea ever reunited
they would have an airforce consisting of MiG-15s, MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-29s as well as F-4s, F-5s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-35s. Now I would pay to see that lmao
In reality MiG-15, MiG-21, MiG-23, and F-4
My time has come
@@USSAnimeNCC- MiG-21 and MiG-23 can still be relevant if upgraded correctly. Also, in some instances, the MiG-23 proved to be superior to the F-16A and probably, to the F-16C, according to the Dutch Viper pilot, Leon Van Maurer, who had the chance to train together with The German Luftwaffe and their Soviet jets after the fall of the wall.
@@yurisv7315 "MiG-21 and MiG-23 can still be relevant if upgraded correctly."
Or if you turn them into drones. Just saying. There's literary tens of thousands of chinese copies of MiG-21 on the market. Develop a conversion process and boom, ome of the best drones in the world.
TheArklyte if your bombing terrorists. I wouldn't put money on a drone fighter in any situation outside of that.
@@TheArklyte the idea is good, but not if you convert a MiG-21, or a 23 into a drone. They have limited GS capabilites, but a MiG-27 might do the trick.
Flew many missions in the MiG-29 Fulcrum back when I was in the Sega Genesis.
What a wonderful silouette of the plane.
Definitely a serious piece of equipment during Cold War, and one may say even today in some aspects. Sadly this fbw jet was bit overshadowed by Sukhoi throughout the time. I learned from some technicians serving with plane that the it was easy to quickly refuel and rearm the plane with less personnel needed, and that in general the plane had shorter turnover times on ground than F15 / 16 / 18, when employed in real air war, but shorter lifespan of critical parts - especially engines and other.
Its also one of few planes which was able to perform the "Cobra" maneuver, without thrust vectoring nozzles (same done by Saab J35 Draken and even Mig21 if not wrong) and which was later brought to mastery by the Flankers ans other Sukhoi's fighter jets equipped with 3D trust vectoring nozzles, opening them whole new realm of plane control, abilities and overall performance. Yet during 1990's you could see the maneuvre performed Mig 29 in many Air Shows around the Europe, as the fall of the communism and sudden end of Warszaw pact allowed many former members of the pact and their air forces/display pilots to attend airshows all around the Europe and U.S. (wondering about Asia) performing Pugachev's cobra. Along Russian pilots there were also other like Czech Col. Vaclav Vasek, one of the most known Mig 29 display pilots, aside those from Soviet Union/Russia.
It's already become a museum piece? Time flies.
Some MiGs 29 too.
"You can't miss Gatow"? True motto for a military airport. The Tsar will be happy!
" If it looks beautiful, it'll fly beautiful. "
One of the most elegant aircraft of the modern era.
Definitely the most elegant airplane ever. Love it!
Random question: a couple of years ago I saw one of your IL 2 videos were you took a ME 163 and managed to land it back. It was the most hilarious game play ever but I haven't been able to find it. All I remember is this funny American accent impression and you being highly skeptical of the Komet capabilities. Since then I haven't been able to find the video, would you have a link to it laying around?
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@@MilitaryAviationHistory Very kind of you.
I miss those old videos. They were hilarious.
So cool seeing western and eastern aircraft flying together
I love the shape of the Mig-29. It just looks great
English cockpits in a Russian aircraft flown by Germans. What a world we live in.
The Russians did quite regularly label aircraft and other military equipment in English for export to countries like Iraq and India.
Very nice video, impartial, keep up the good work!
I am so glad that the 20*13 serial number got the proper use.
Any 1 else noticed the typhoon video has gone? Really enjoyed the typhoon vid too
Mig 29, Mirage 2000, F4 phantom, F117, and others are gorgeous birds.
I was a young 2LT stationed in West Germany when the Berlin Wall came down. Exciting times.
Do a video on that Trabant!
Great video! Would like to see another video about the Starfighter.
I just want to expand on the history of the helmet system.
The helmet system the soviets developed at that time, was not a first of its kind.
The Soviets (with the use of spies, and other links) got the technology from the South Africans who developed it during the Angolan Bush war while fighting against the Soviets.
The soviets realized the impact of such technology and so strived to get their hands on such information.
I sit here and ask myself from where I know this voice that read the text shown on screen.
Suddenly i remember.
It's the "Sheriff". This guy sounds like the Sheriff. Shortly after that he thanks the Sheriff for his work.
I was like: *Damn I knew it* :D
Sheriff is an awesome guy that back in the days made Battlefield plane tutorials and it helped me alot.
It's so weird that I now watch a video here and suddenly hear his voice. So cool
still kicking
Last time I was this early the wall was still just barbed wire and a few Grenztruppen
Crazy what warfare does to technology on 1986 70 years ago fro that date we were basically flying oversized kites
Excellent video, good research!
Isn't it that obvious why Germany has Soviet stuffs? Today's people really lack that much knowledge to the point of needing an explanation?
Yes.. people are dumb and educated... They play online multiplayer games and Watch porn, show their shit on social media instead of education.
Yeah it's obvious, during the 30's Germany and the Soviets cooperated a lot on tank and air designs away from the prying eyes of the former Entente powers.
That's what you're talking about, right? XD
@@td23asus Not really.
Do people really don't know of Russo-Prussian alliance that was signed on 1764?
I mean, REALLY??
@@thureintun1687 oh of course my bad I'll do some reading
Only time I've watched a Mig was when I lived in China. It was a Mig 21, absolutely stunning.
10:55 wait, the airframe and engines have a life expectancy of only 600 hours of flight time? How is that even possible? Pilots have to fly at least 20 hours a month just to keep certified
really? cos i don't think the north koreans are doing that much flying...
What country has those regulations? Even in terms of currency, that would be demanding for non-commercial pilots.
Absolutely incorect and as I wrote before , engines RD-33 have 350h of MBTO ( Mean Time Between Overhaul ) and aircraft has 800h ( flight hours) or 9 years ( timeline ) of MBTO . In total , MiG-29 has 40 years of lifetime .
Now that's a beautiful craft sharp sleek aesthetically pleasing in every way down to the unobtrusive camo bet it flys like a dream loved it in heatseaker
I've noticed a trend with US built aircraft and vehicles dating back to WWII. Other countries' pilots and soldiers always comment on the comfort and ergonomics of the US stuff. I remember reading that Guenther Rall was really impressed with the comfort of the P-51 and that captured and lend-lease Shermans were also thought to be more comfortable than the respective other country's tanks.
Seeing a MiG 29 in NATO Luftwaffe roundels and NATO attachments is the most cursed thing ever
The MIG 29 is a beast from the east, it is the first aerodynamic aircraft in the world.
Surprised they did not upgrade the ejector seats to Martin Baker as well, I think that would have been popular with the pilots.
Just a suggestion: would have been great if your briefing came along with cheeki breeki / moskau moskau soundtrack.
Long story short, they inherited mig 29 planes from the former GDR and keep modernising them for a while until they were phased out.