Why ETA Watch Movements Deserve Respect
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- For the vast majority of Swiss watches produced, ETA will be the movement manufacturer of choice. Dating back to original controls placed on the Swiss watch industry in the 1920s, ETA has grown into the largest Swiss movement manufacturer yet, in light of in-house movements offered by other brands, regard for these pieces has diminished. In today’s video, I would like to place the spotlight on just why the ETA 2824 and ETA 2892 automatic movements deserve respect.
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Let's be honest: a lot of companies would not be here without ETA.
They stop supplying most of the brands outside the Swatch group. Nowadays can buy Sellita or STP or Soprod. Or Myota Seiko etc
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well that doesnt matter for deciding if you like the movement or not
@@MrJeremy9835 ... right...but Sprod and Sellita used to make produce OEM movements for ETA and their existing movements are basically copies of the 2824 and 2892 as the patents for many ETA movements ended years ago. So the comment holds... a lot of companies... including Sellita and Soprod ...would not be here without ETA ... that includes Patek Philippe which still gets their balance springs from ETA.
Including Tudor.
I miss this guy, I hope he's thriving.
Excellent Post !Thankyou!
I have a Hamilton " below Zero" it's a strong movement, 2826, I use this watch as my everyday, the the point, it goes on suits,
I have 3 Swiss watches (Doxa, Baume Mercier, Glycine) with ETA 2824 movements and all three have stopped running in relatively short order, one of them (Doxa) a second time after hundreds of $ to repair. I dislike ETA a considerable amount.
That's interesting.
I have several ETA's too
• 2893-2 (Glycine & Steinhart)
• 2824-2 (Certina & Glycine)
• 2824-2 variants w/- ext. PR (Certina & Hamilton)
I've not had any issues at all and I'm very pleased with all the above pieces.
That said, my watches with the Seiko 6R35 or Miyota 90S5 are just as pleasing.
There are consistent rumblings about the Miyota 9 series mov'ts being superior to ETA as I'm sure you know.
I don't have the expertise to know myself, however Time-Factors came to that conclusion during testing for a number of Smiths ref's; experiencing a lower failure rate and better performance from the Miyota.
It's going to be an interesting thing to see play out as many of us in the hobby question the meaning of 'Swiss Made'.
I'm sorry to hear of your mov't issues. I wonder if ETA's focus on lower beat rate / ext. PR mov'ts is their focus moving forward? Certainly the Japanese have caught up to them, Seiko included with their 6R mov'ts.
Best of luck bud.
Learn how to use them properly before you break anymore 😂😂
Have an ETA workhorse in my Tudor Heritage BB.
I have 11 watches, from Breitling Tudor, Omega to Rolex. Half have a variant of the 2892-A2. One being the 2500D in my Seamaster. Everyono of my ETA powered watches runs great all with COS, even when not offered as chronometers. I have never had Anything but the highest respect for my ETA movements.
Agreed. I adore my ETA 2893-2 in my GMT. The 90 series ETAs are just awesome.
This is a must-watch video for anyone who has ever judged an ETA movement as "oh, but it's just an ETA..."
I watch several TH-cam watch channels a day, and this is the most informative one I've seen!
Same here👌👌 subscribed
Watchfinder is awesome as well
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I place reliability,toughness ,serviceability and long lasting ness above all in my movements.You really get all this in a eta 2824 and 2892.
or the 2836, that one is also an amazing workhorse
Sadly these movements appear to have been replaced by low beat throwaway movements. I agree 2824-2, and 2982 were, and are superb workhorse movements with a smooth 4hz sweep.
Yes in some lower level Swatch brands.Theres still plenty of brands out there using them.
Toughness, my ass. You can wreck the keyless works by just inserting the stem back in if you somehow remove it incorrectly. You want tough? That's the Seiko NH35.
@@freddyt55555 another Seiko fanboy
Would love a similar video on miyota and other movement manufacturers
Great video. The 2892A2 remains an incredibly robust and versatile movement to this day. One piece of history the video overlooked was the contribution of Richard Habring, who was at IWC in the early 1990s. He redesigned the winding system on the 2892-2, and those IWC improvements were adopted by ETA in what became known as the 2892-A2.
Having a number of watches that date from the 80s and 90s I can whole heartedly endorse the ETA movements. The 2824 is robust, easy to source parts for and easy to fix. I have watches from the 80s with this movement that have barely seen any servicing in their lives and they work just fine. The 2892-2 is my favorite movement of all. This is a fantastic movement and, in chronometer-spec, genuinely as accurate as all but the very best movements money can buy. I have an Eterna Kontiki Sport from 1992 with the full printed report from COSC. In all five positions, at each of three temperatures, the watch recorded +1 to +2 seconds with a delta of just 1 second throughout the testing! That is staggering accuracy and consistency.
Fascinating. I think unless you're getting a high end watch (Omega co-axial/Rolex and above), I think you're better off with ETA. In Sinn, Oris etc, I'd much rather an ETA/Selita than an in-house movement. In-house will be more expensive, not necessarily better, with slower servicing and no guarantee parts will always be available. Nonetheless, brands that charge £2.5-4k for a 2824 - based watch (Doxa, some Tudor/Breitling etc) are simply gouging your eyes out. 2892s are moot - some amazing ones with great value (Longines Spirit), some good, but poor value (IWC Mark). There are some big movement wars ahead though: Kenissi is going to be a big player if Tudor/Rolex/Chanel get their way.
When people complain about "just an ETA" usually because the brands ask for unrealistic price tags, not because ETA is bad by any means.
So much of the rebirth of the mechanical watch post quartz crisis can be attributed to ETA. I encourage you to continue to make these educational videos. Thank you!
Absolutely correct. The 2824-2 and 2892-2 deserve all the respect it can get. Many big brands survived on it: Omega, IWC, Tudor etc. Nowadays though, it seems that exclusivity and brand snobbism have taken over from the rationale. Good video.
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Love the Rolex fan boys who go on about in house movements when Rolex never made a movement in their lives, they just purchased the company that made them for them and branded them Rolex and then charge you a massive premium for them.
Thank you, now I know why my 2892 is really so smooth and of good quality...👍🏻😊
Agreed. I have an Omega Seamaster with a 2892 movement. It is a great movement although it has been modified and refined by Omega.
Swift paced, concise and substantially informative leaves the viewer with a little research of their own to do to reinforce the offering herein.
Great post meal food for thought!
I just purchased my first "real" watch. I researched movements and discovered the 2892A2 and then researched my options for the best value for the cost while refusing to purchase any watch without the 2892A2. I believe this will last a lifetime and be a very satisfying purchase.
This is a really thoughtful and smart history of the movements. Thank you for creating. Extremely helpful.
I love your channel as being the most complete and informative channel out there as of late . Been learning a lot .
Great content ! As I'm watching it I'm wearing my Hamilton Khaki with the 2824 eta which is a little workhorse and keeps very good time
Though once in awhile it does need changing by a fee minutes but I love it for the tactile feel as it always brings you closer to the timepiece on my wrist
Well done. I always felt ETA movements are some of the best produced. Yes, you'll pay more for a watch with this movement, but with this movement you can rely on the fact you are getting a solid reliable watch. How about a video discussing the Miyota 9000 series movements. It would be nice to have a solid review about these movements.
I have much more respect for ETA than for Rolex.
Great knowledge. I'm new to the watch world. First watch is the Omega Seamaster 300m Diver. I'm blessed.
Great watch!
What do you think of Miyota 9015 & 9039 as alternative to ETA
That question is a good one, and one that is being asked by many in the hobby.
And the answers are interesting!
Better than the elabore grade of both from what I've heard. Versus top grade it's more competitive. Bear in mind though the age difference.
@@johnanth when you say age difference are you talking about the year they were develop ? I was asking the question because I don't have a ETA but have the Miyota 9039 in a watch that's running very well around +3sec. A day , Thanks for the comment.
I have a Miyota 9130 in one of my watches, it has a PR indicator too. I was told that the movements were every bit as good as comparable ETA movements. Mine seems to be a very good timekeeper too, running at very close to COSC spec.
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That's a sentiment I always hear too Desmond.
I'm ғᴀʀ from an expert in this hobby; less so in the pros & cons of various mov'ts, so hearing this consistently about Miyota's 9 series is valuable to me.
Time Factors use the 9015 in their (newly expanded) Smiths Explorer range.
I have my eye on a few references. The watches are right up my alley style wise and I expect them to be keepers, so a good solid reliable mov't is really important.
I wonder what percentage of ETA movement parts are sourced from China? If there are approximately 110 pieced in the movement, could 25% be manufactured in China - under the manufacturers specifications? I imagine if ETA was manufacturing all of its own parts in-house, that would be part of the marketing of ETA, no?
I don't think even Rolex manufactures its movements solely in Switzerland. The rules for what passes as "Swiss made" are actually quite flexible.
I think they are great. I'm currently building a diver-style watch using a 2482-2 as the engine (waiting for the yacht master style bezel insert to come in so i can completed it). I'm looking forward to completing bit, regulating it, and wearing it! Thanks for posting. Keep at it!
Another workhorse is ETA ´s 7750 which needs a video of its own. Great rundown of the 2824-2 & 2892 👌❤️ very informative 🧐
Another variant based on the ETA 2892 is the 2895 which is worth talking about. The 2895 has 27 rubies (much higher than earlier 2892 /21 rubies), these were seen in: Tag Heuer (Caliber 6), Gucci , with surprising accuracy! Due to ETA freezing stock as a supplier in recent years, a lot of changes have been brought up. Sellita seems to be the newer supplier of movements in the watch industry: Oris, etc.
And variants of the 7750: ex. 7753 !
Armand has a video on it already and it's very good!
Hello glad to re-look this video. Added small info. which could be of interest!
If it weren't for ETA, watches will cost so much that only the elites can afford it. They also make super reliable, accurate, and easy to service movements. They are like the Toyota of watch movements. I'll take an ETA movement over others any day!
ETA is the Lexus of watch movements. Seiko is the Toyota of watch movements.
@@MrSloika yep not eta tf this fool On about
They also make some great quartz movements.
Great upload Armand.
As an owner of several pieces housing the standard 2824-2 & it's Hamilton/Certina extended PR variants I think it's a perfectly capable mov't for sub $1K USD watches.
If one is not fussed about Swiss Made 'branding' on their timepiece (for it has devolved to simple branding IMO) I believe the Miyota 9 series mov'ts to be the better option. That said, the though some favoured pieces in my modest collection hold ETA 2824-2 / 2893-2 mov'ts, others hold Seiko's 6R35 or Miyota's 90S5 mov't.
The 2824-2 and it's variants are undoubtedly solid and reliable entry level Swiss mov'ts, Japan's ability to equal or possibly best them is interesting to me as the community starts to question the meaning of 'Swiss Made' on our watches.
I’ve had a few arguments with Rolex and Omega owners (though I also own a Seamaster Bond edition myself) .. that my Bremont S2000 with it’s ETA 2836 movement .. is as reliable as their in house movements .. and will cost less to maintain. So yeah .. Co-axial is all very nice .. but it costs a sodding fortune to have Omega service it.
What I don’t understand is why with these mass-produced movements people pay so much for watches using them. I am not saying that those watches are bad watches, mass production usually means that something works really really well. But, for an industry where mechanical art is its cornerstone, I just don’t see the appeal of getting more than one or two of the same movement. I also feel uneasy about spending a lot of money to buy a brand when I am essentially just buying an ETA watch with a few modifications and a branded case and dial. I can sympathize with people willing to pay more just to get the entry level (lower quality) in-house movement because at the end of the day, they bought a first party watch as opposed to an ETA watch bearing a name brand.
They sell you this romantic idea of an old watchmaker assembling your watch but it's not true. 99% of them are branded cases. Even Rolex mass-produces its movements. They ship more than one million watches per year. Do you think they do it by hand?
But...
ETA2824 vs SW200 - which is better?
Its the same movement, say, to 97%. What differs Sellita regards as improvement. My SW 200 which I regulated loses max 2 spd. When I wind it once per day it loses ca. 0.5 spd. Not bad, I think.
@@lowersaxon Nice.
The ETA2824 has various degrees of quality.
Standard quality isn't that great, but the higher quality is quite nice IMO.
I didn't know that Sellita made improvements upon the ETA movement.
I thought they just made it different ever so slightly to avoid patents.
It’s ETA not E.T.A
Es heißt ETA 😉
ETA powered vintage watches give you the confidence in reliability and serviceability of an otherwise ~40-50 year old watch. This aspect can be seldomly found in other vintage technology (in comparison: try finding replacement parts for a vintage car). I'm a fan of the ETA movement and its history!
You can still buy Chevy small block parts, which is an engine designed in 1952.
ETA movements are the milestone in the watch industry but on a budget level are obsolet in comparison to japanese movements. If you consider the price of a bare ETA 2824-2 costs 200ish € and it's counter parts NH35 40ish € and Miyota 9000 series 80ish € I would not take ETA. At the other hand Oris or Tissot have wonderful eta based movements for the price. I guess ETA was never intended to be budget movement considering wher doed it comes from.
Fantastic history and subject matter covered Armand. Great research and work my man!!
@@Thomgxx100 ETA is an abbreviation of Eterna.
Very cool vid. I'm going on 5 months with my Hamilton H6644550, powered by the ETA Caliber 2834-2 and I love it. Good looking movement even with no real decoration and the up to 80-hour power reserve is very cool. It hasn't run out of power since I got it and I rotate a couple other watches. Probably never going to sell this one, honestly.
Great video, as a collector of vintage Eterna I appreciate the modern ETA movements and their clones, but nothing beats the original - at least in sentimental value.
Grand Seiko's Spring Drive deserves more respect, no one even dares to counterfeit it.
Very reliable movement indeed.
Most of their issues is solved by cleaning and oiling which is cost effective.
I think in particular of the 2824 tendancy to get the rotor rolling while being handwound.
Also very accurate in my experience, even after 25 years for the oldest I own.
The ETA movements are very reliable, day in-day out workhorses. They are used in a vast number of watches, whether as is, with modules added, or finished to a high degree. I know there are many in the watch collector/watch community who look down on ETA movements, but this is based on some sort of elitist mentality, which has NO bearing on how a watch works, how reliable it is, or how well it keeps time.
One thing never, ever brought up with ETA movements is that there are spare parts available for most of them. This is not always the case for in-house movements. Try to find parts, for example, for a Universal Geneve watch with an in-house micro-rotor movement. You may be able to find a donor movement, or maybe not. I do guarantee that you will be able to find parts, from multiple sources for most ETA 27XX and 28XX movements, as well as a Valjoux 7733 and 7750. While spare parts are not always required, when they are, the lack of spare parts for an in-house movement can render a watch using the in-house movement dead.
Cool story bro.
The AK-47 of movements.
My daily is a longines hydroconquest with a L888.2 movement which is basically a decorated 2892. It keeps brilliant time and is bulletproof.
My special occasion watch is a blue omega smpc with the 2500. So I think it's safe to say I'm a fan
I have the ETA 2836-2
Mido Caliber 80 (base ETA C07.621) 🤣🍿
I know ETA is better, and I would absolutely spend big money on a watch that has one, but I also understand the desire to collect in house pieces too.
Great video.
Never realised ETA struck so deep into the heart of Omega. I think this is only a very good thing in the end. The tried and tested backbone of ETA, combined with the panache and extra development from Omega. Just purchased an Oris Aquis 400, mainly from the proposition of the in-house. I just couldn't get my head round the setting issues. Reluctantly, I'm sending it back. Such a beautiful watch, I'm sure Oris will iron out this issue in time, even though they publicly dress this issue as a 'quirk' rather than a problem. Just bought Breitling with the 2892, I can now rest in assurance of the reliability paired with the added features that Breitling has added to this movement, not as extensive as the Omega, but a great balance between quality and individuality. Subscribed 👍
It's fine to remember what they achieved, but to keep using them half a century later represents stagnation. The industry has to evolve and show that they are still trying to earn respect, that they're still trying to find value for the customer. But ETA is becoming insular inside the Swatch Group. This is why ETA 2824/SW200 must give way to MJP G100/G101, because the latter has made significant upgrades.
Excellent video. I really enjoyed this!
Epic video
Surprised you didn' mention the Tudor Black Bay 36 which I think is underrated and uses an ETA which is regulated to +/- 2 secs.
Bought mine 6 months ago and Tudor now give a 5 yr guarantee - sounds good to me!!
The 2892-2 has made Swiss watches affordable and even more so reliable for years. The average guy can buy a watch for around 1000 dollars and it's a great timepiece.
If you can’t build your own movement, go out of business! Build wheelchairs or bbq pits. Building a case is not building a watch.
Fascinating amount of interesting detail, superbly presented. Thank you.
Why I buy Festina ???
I don’t care about the Brand !!!
As…a real estate 🏡 agent I see how people pay millions to move into premium suburbs… I respect the Valjoux 7750 it’s a work horse movement.. I use the 30min counter to time my open homes… I check the Day / Date every morning before… I touch the iPhone AND I would ratter put the 25,000 I saved buying the 7750 over the Daytona into a index fund for my great-great grandkids!! Give them a 50million dollar gift year 2300… I don’t believe Daytona from 2023 will be worth 50million year 2300 (after adjusting for inflation) “✌️”
H. Moser & Cie, the rest I have questions. HMC even do their own tools for manufacturing.
I agree, I have a lot of in-house mouvements in my collection (I mean really in house..),but also couple of eta in Hamilton and tissot, tissot have the powermatic 80 cosc silicium, and the Hamilton same but not silicium, and both are the most precise watches off all!! For real! (my gs is also really good but in long term wearing my eta's beats the rest.. (cartier sontos xl blue with in house, rolex, oméga, and others..) 👌
Yez, but now high tech in the making and some calibre patterns are out of date . Same machine to produce calibre so same quality, all polishing can be same . If talking about AAA Fake can be really Exact even calibre but leave a bit different for court case.
I think the internet people get used to saying and hearing the notion that in-house movements are more prestigious and somehow inherently better than eta. Which isn't always true. But that's the soup people like to cook up for themselves. So the watch companies oblige the consumer and make more money while at it. That's just one example of the myths that are propagated by social media. And the more they're repeated, the more they are become rooted.
I've had 2824 movements break, but never broken a Sellita or Seiko - but my Hamilton VJ7750 is my most accurate, followed by the Swiss...frustratingly my seiko 6r35 is the most inaccurate (varies, around 15spd)
Interesting lesson, please do other movements. Great content, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
I begin to respect them since I serviced my 13 years old Oris Aquis for a very small amount of money last month.
Nah, it's a shitty movement. So fragile and rife with problems like the hand winding mechanism easily breaks due to using crappy reversing wheels made of soft metal like brass. Not to mention ETA movements are only worth about a few hundred dollars maximum yet you got these lying luxury watch brands claiming to use "in house" movements for their ETA watches and charging thousands of dollars for them.
Quality controls and raw materials are the current issues. I bet that 100 percent of the labor intensive ETA movements are made and assembled in China under the supervision, from a distance, of ETA. If ETA is not on the manufacturing site, like Apple employees are with the iphones, the materials become least expensive available and the quality controls are non-existent - because they are expensive. What you get is a movement that lasts about the two year warranty before it breaks. If the movement was made and assembled in Switzerland, ETA would market that. The movement retails for $250 (think of all the labor in that $250). As long as Swatch puts that movement in a watch that costs more than $550, they can say the watch was swiss made.
If you say so.
You're talking through your arse if you think you can get a 2892 chronometer grade movement for a few hundred bucks.
Thank you for growing my knowledge.
well researched and well spoken
I think Watch Chronicler is my new favorite watch related channel on youtube. Such great info and an amazing delivery of it! Thank you!
Excellent review as usually, a channel for the more cerebral & discerning viewer. Wonderful! 👍
Is Breitling still using ETA bases?
Absolutely agree! ETA was the backbone of the entire Swiss watch industry just a decade ago. Tudor, IWC, Breitling, Tag, Omega the list goes on and on.
Don’t t forget Invicta. Which people think they are garbage watches.
Damn, that was an excellent video! Thank you
The rotor on the 2892 is really loudly, idk why
Full of I formation on one our favorite movements. Bravo. These were always a pleasure to restore.
My Omega 2531.80 is a beast. Thanks ETA
TENHO SEIKO NH35 ê ETA 2824 EXCELENTES MECÂNISMOS 👍👍 🇧🇷
ETA RULES
I love that you showed of the Steinharts.
As a watch technician i always tell my clients that ETA movements(COSC grade Silicone hairspring)are the same as Rolex movements.
Percentage-wise, how similar is it?
@@BetterTodaywithJasonCruz after servicing and regulating , in terms of performance they are equal. Since the ETA movements that are equiped with silicone hairspring are quite new to the industry, i can't say anything about their longevity yet. But those ETA without silicone hairspring they have always been long-lasting, same goes to Sellita movements. ETA also offers 80hours power reserve 3hands movement & 60hours power reserve chronograph movement that performed exceptionally well. Now combined all these together-80hours power reserve,COSC grade,silicone hairspring,incabloc shock absorber and you got yourself a truly wonderful movement with a price that won't break your bank and performs the same as the watch that will cost you 10 times more. Hope that this simplified explanation helps. Cheers.
@@horologywatchmaking13 Hey mate, thanks for that wonderful and detailed explanation! I appreciate that you took the time to write that out. I used to think low of ETA movements but I've to say, I've gained a newfound level of respect for it. May even shop for an ETA-powered piece soon 😊🤘🏼
@@BetterTodaywithJasonCruz Pleasure is mine. Do keep in mind that for those modified ETA movements with longer power reserve and silicone hairspring they can only be found in brands under The Swatch Group like Tissot,Certina,Mido,Hamilton. They are exclusively only for the Swatch Group's brands and don't sell them to outsiders. Well then i hope everything is well and please take care.
@@horologywatchmaking13 Thanks for that additional tidbit! After watching this video + your comments, my "world of options" just opened up hahaha
Is ETA 2894 good? Thank you.
I’ve been working on watches for years. Recently my grandfather passed down a vintage submariner to me. The movement was long since dead and the quote I got to have it rebuilt would be enough to make you throw up in your mouth. I ended up removing the original movement and fitted the case with an eta2824 and I machined an adapter ring. It’s been regulated to run +1 second a day on my timegrapher. Someday when I have the cash to drop on a used 1520, I will. But until then, the ETA powers my Rolex. Kind of funny in a way. LOL
Interesting...I think within a few years the Eta mvts especially those modified by tudor or omega for example will be kind of collectible. I own a tudor prince DD from 92 and the movement 1)looks great with the perlage and 2)keeps incredible time (is it due to the special balance regulation system which seems different than the usual one ?) best regards
@@artblend4278 I can see those skyrocketing. Not only that, but I could see the price of off the shelf ETA’s start climbing as well. I think the trend of building your own watch is catching on. Some of these manufacturers have been smart enough to realize that. The rest will take time... no pun intended.
@@deeno1114 however it's a shame you could not fix the 1520 or 1570....(or buy a 3031?)
@@artblend4278 unfortunately the cost for service was about what buying one on the used market would set me back. Another unfortunate reality about second hand parts. Not to mention most of these movements are found on eBay and likely need an additional costly service by the time they get to you.
@@deeno1114 thanks for your answer! enjoy your vintage sub!
Really great vid on ETA!
Like many, I’ve bought watches that have manufacture movements - Omega, Rolex, Blancpain, even a Patek. All great watches. However, my watches using ETA movements are prized. My Breitling is more accurate than my Submariner. I’ve never dropped or knocked an ETA watch and broken anything, and can’t say the same about some far more costly watches. After building millions of movements, they’ve gotten every bug out and made every tweak necessary. You’ll never hear me talk them down!
ETA also produced normal winding movements I.e. non automatic. Those were useful & long lasting for very common man-especially ETA 1080, -ETA 1180 etc. these movements were - tropicalised , having unbreakable mainsprings, have 40 hours winding power, requires very rare maintenance so famous in watch world . But now not available
Unfortunately nowadays the most popular watch movement is called an IOS.
Smartwatch is another level.
Quality has multiple attributes. In the West people say the word "quality" but what they really mean is exclusivity or luxury. There are people willing to pay outrageous money just to have something others don't have. We could get into philosophical debate why this is the case. But in my opinion quality also consists of reliability and serviceability. If I buy a machine I want it to work and even if it breaks it should make economic sense to fix it. In this sense, ETA-based movements are quality. There are other, more exclusive movements but not all of them are actually that reliable. Some of them are but the service costs are significant. So, one needs to ask what's so special about wearing a watch and make a decision. Also, I think that most customers base their decision on brand, looks and finish. Movement is not always the most important consideration. It's a spectrum where ETA has its place.
the ETA is superb!
Great content!
ETA makes the best work horse movements in the industry. This is not to say they lack the precision of high watchmaking. On the contrary, imo the 2824 strikes an ideal balance between reliability, serviceability and finesse. It’s not the best but it is an extremely practical movement.
I love my Breitling 13 which is based on ETA 7750. amazing movement
ETA is the backbone of affordable luxury watches. It is the backbone of Chinese watches. The watchmaking world would be either s***** or extremely expensive today if it were not for them.
What is good products?
I believe it should be cost effective, good productivity, quality, strong & long-lasting one.. for the people or customers who use it..
While, as to expensive type..
I wonder if there is some problem in production line, or workers skill?etc..
2892 with a Dubois Depraz 2021 for a 57 jewel movement. Can anyone guess which watch I'm talking about?
I got spoiled when I bought my Longines Lyre with an L888.5 (ETA A31.L11) - winding on it is so incredibly smooth and refined. I now have another watch with a derivative of the Sellita SW200-1 and I definitely cannot say the same...infact I read many users simply saying to treat SW200/SW200-1 as a non-manual winding movement and to ONLY wind it enough to start it and let the rotor do the rest.
ETA movement’s are getting difficult to find, but since they have been so popular, there are plenty of parts available. Why are parts important? It’s important because most name brands with in-house unique movements must be returned back to the manufacturer for repairs. Even a minor repair that your local watchmaker could have once ordered a part and performed the work must now go to the factory. In-house parts are not distributed or obtainable to private businesses. Even some of the unique modified ETA parts from a particular manufacture are not for sale. So basic ETA parts being plentiful provides local options.
I have a Ulysse Nardin 1846 Marine Chronometer which needed a replacement crown with UN logo and crown tube. Although my local watchmaker was fully qualified to make the repair, he could not find the parts. Instead, I had to send the watch back to Boca Ratan, FL for a complete-non optional-overhaul. My watchmaker could have overhauled that ETA 2892A2 locally.
The only issue I have ever had with my 2892 is twice in the last 12 years of daily use I have managed to bump it at just the right angle to cause one loop of the balance spring to jumo over a peg or something and it stopped. My local watchmaker fixed it both times, no charge
Can someone help me? I have a ETA 2824 automatic and I noticed that from a cold start (due to no usage after a few days) I can only start up the watch if I spin the rotor counter clockwise. Is this normal? I’ve read that the 2824 rotor had bidirectional winding.
Thanks for highlighting how rubbish that Oris in-house movement is. So others will spare great frustration. They should have tested that movement muuuch longer. I have no idea how and why Oris expect watch lovers to go along with that and spend the cash.
Maybe this video will put to rest the “in-house movement” is better than tried and true ETA movements argument...probably not but valiant effort! That was not the purpose, but it should be the subject of your next video! Excellent analysis!