Watchmaker Breaks Down Swiss vs Japanese Made Watches | WIRED

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  • Professional watchmaker Ryan Jewell breaks down two different Carpenter watches; one watch with Japanese movement and another with Swiss movement.
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  • @thelexico5972
    @thelexico5972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2784

    When I was in Austria I found a whole TV channel dedicated to a guy making watches, saying nothing and with no music and 8 camera angles. It was really nice to watch in the evening.

    • @elshizz
      @elshizz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      I would subscribe SO FAST to that channel!

    • @goku445
      @goku445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Austrians are weirdos confirmed.

    • @Autechltd
      @Autechltd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@goku445 If they don't release that pent up autism, bad things happen.

    • @PLBW81
      @PLBW81 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      what was the name of the channel?

    • @armanke13
      @armanke13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wonder how many unit can they make a week or a month, 🤔

  • @TheRockerX
    @TheRockerX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7442

    I felt a very weird combination of fascination and boredom while watching this

    • @MrMinusguy
      @MrMinusguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      this is on point

    • @Triggerboy78
      @Triggerboy78 5 ปีที่แล้ว +153

      Interesting enough to watch it, but boring enough to jump forward once in a while to finally see a result :)

    • @youmongrel
      @youmongrel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Is that the definition of "contentment?"

    • @RNCHFND
      @RNCHFND 5 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      Exactly what I was thinking. I made until 7 minutes and thought to myself "this guy is legit and that's a cool craft but I should watch something else"

    • @Tayl0NP
      @Tayl0NP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      I for one, was whelmed

  • @azmanntoz
    @azmanntoz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +237

    What I like about brands such as seiko and orient is that you can purchase a well made, budget watch with its own brand movement. With Swiss watches you tend to have to jump many price brackets to get the same claim. Even some of the so called luxury brands just run decorated ETA movements.

    • @kevinquisition
      @kevinquisition 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      In house movements are great and all, but the ETA 7750 is one of the most reliable and accurate chronograph movements ever created. ETA movement isn't a necessarily bad thing in a luxury watch, they're very high quality. That said, also look at nomos, they offer in-house German movements at super affordable prices.

    • @darthgiggity7948
      @darthgiggity7948 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@kevinquisition it isn't though. And using ETA too much is a sign of laziness. Aren't they capable of innovation? Lol

    • @itovenaar6920
      @itovenaar6920 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@kevinquisition nomos is super affordable? Since when.

    • @cc8530
      @cc8530 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@darthgiggity7948 I know what you mean, I liken it to car/engine manufacture. The EV movement is the quartz crisis for cars coming and I feel it will revert back to ICE due to battery issues down the line.

    • @Carbonpolter
      @Carbonpolter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I mean, ETA really mastered the production of great movements. Why should you use different movements if they are working great?
      Never change a wining team. 😅

  • @jong9992
    @jong9992 5 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Comparing a $50 Miyota movement with a $250 eta

    • @tresconik
      @tresconik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @R. Schowiada71 possibly.. higher beat rate means it can be more easily regulated, hacking means time can be set more exactly, and the miyota will be dumped and replaced in a service while the eta may have small parts replaced but you will largely have the same movement, if that makes any difference to you.

  • @awatson22
    @awatson22 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2954

    ‘Hmm I understand how it all works now’
    - No-one

    • @jimbert50
      @jimbert50 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @Spiritpoweredinternet I still don't understand. lol Well, except in very general terms.

    • @manwhoneversleeps
      @manwhoneversleeps 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Spiritpoweredinternet "watch"

    • @ArchesBro
      @ArchesBro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Basically, there is a spring that is wound that will slowly unwind to power the hands on the clock. It unwinds slowly because it is attached to a spinning thingy that can only spin so fast because of air resistance. That is connected to the gears that will spin the 3 hands, those 3 hands have different gear ratios so that they spin at their particular speeds. The real magic is putting all these little things in there stacked on top of each other. The mechanism to wind up the watch is essentially a gear inside of a gear, so that when you rewind it, you dont change the position of the outer gear. It's very simple if you look at an animation of the couple things happening. Extremely tedious to manufacture. I cant imagine what all it takes to make them. Probably have a "how its made" episode out there.

    • @yodamunkey
      @yodamunkey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha I just woke everyone up, I think. Never laughed that loud at a comment - caught me off guard!

    • @ArchesBro
      @ArchesBro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @CYZ Aero I actually found a good video explaining it. The escapement isn't actually like I described. Apparently high end watches use a mechanical escapement, not an air resistance one. I'm just a dumb guy on the internet who shouldn't be trusted I guess.
      th-cam.com/video/G1XBb7kJJWg/w-d-xo.html

  • @omegagavin
    @omegagavin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1223

    Grand Seiko vs Rolex comparison would be interesting.

    • @MonkeyChocolate
      @MonkeyChocolate 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      I actually wear my SARB035 (6R15D) more than GMT Master. Because it just looks simpler and there's a love on its white dial.

    • @safinasir6683
      @safinasir6683 5 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      yeahh seiko gang

    • @kristian1300
      @kristian1300 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      th-cam.com/video/rwA_gAHcmLs/w-d-xo.html There you go

    • @Merthalophor
      @Merthalophor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      @@MonkeyChocolate the only reason you said that was to tell us that you own such a watch

    • @iamtoast3397
      @iamtoast3397 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@Merthalophor Surely not, he must have thought this information would enrich our lives 😂

  • @BernardTheMandeville
    @BernardTheMandeville 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2252

    Comparing a ~$250,- ETA movement to a ~$75,- Miyota seems unfair when you never mention the price difference of the movements themselves.

    • @alfistibrasiliani
      @alfistibrasiliani 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      ok, can you name a japanese movement in the same price range? give us an exemple

    • @urieelSEptim
      @urieelSEptim 5 ปีที่แล้ว +305

      alfistibrasiliani what about the miyota 9015? its considered better than the eta, still cheaper.

    • @gmansplit
      @gmansplit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +353

      @@alfistibrasiliani I can name Japanese movements in a much higher price range. Anything Grand Seiko makes. The Miyota 9015 would also be more comparable to the ETA 2824-2, Seiko's 6R15, 8L35 etc.

    • @zakofrx
      @zakofrx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I have seen that Miyota for a lot cheaper than $75.

    • @spare97
      @spare97 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@gmansplit He asked in the same price range. A Grand Seiko movement is more in the same price range as an Omega in-house movement. The Seiko Spring Drive movement is over $1000 for example.

  • @MaxxSend
    @MaxxSend 5 ปีที่แล้ว +842

    Can you imagine if your cat jumped on the table and knocked that entire parts tray to the floor.

    • @yamawaw9572
      @yamawaw9572 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      i imagine you jump, will be flying side kick landed in second :P

    • @biglezmate3830
      @biglezmate3830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@abyss3741 I'd be pouring gravy on that pussycat.

    • @jessecoulter3476
      @jessecoulter3476 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      What cat??

    • @impact0r
      @impact0r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Cat would subsequently be jumped out of the window on the top floor.

    • @ALYOUTUBERZ
      @ALYOUTUBERZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Literally my first thought lol

  • @HH60gPaveHawk
    @HH60gPaveHawk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +545

    Odd they didn't compare more... equitable movements. a Miyota 9015 would be a much better comparison to the 2824 in both price and quality

    • @EthnHDmlle
      @EthnHDmlle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Japanese watches are based after European designs. It wouldn't make sense to compare the two.

    • @Speed_7545
      @Speed_7545 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How about the 6R15

    • @david111davies
      @david111davies 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Yes it does, they are different enough and many of the Swiss designs are old as the hills and some Japan ones are recent past.

    • @alerojas2952
      @alerojas2952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You yankee piece of sh¡t

    • @EthnHDmlle
      @EthnHDmlle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Michal Nazareth you’re right. I should have specified mechanical watch.

  • @halicusnguyen8864
    @halicusnguyen8864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I can imagine accidentally inhaling one of those parts.

  • @skism007
    @skism007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +395

    Keep in mind while watching this that some of his phrasing is very misleading. For example, when he says "the Japanese movement", he's referring to that specific Miyota caliber. Makes it sound like Japanese movements in general all share the same traits. Even Seiko's cheapest automatic movements wind in both directions. That's not something exclusive to the Swiss.

    • @jacobschouten9980
      @jacobschouten9980 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I believe him saying "Japanese movement" was contextual to the specific watch. Although I can definitely see where one might understand it as the watches' movements and parts are similar, I do not think that is what they were referring to.

    • @ChajisShorts
      @ChajisShorts 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I agree. I myself know nothing of watches or watch brands for that matter. So I'm naturally neutral on the whole Swiss versus Japanese movements. So given that, I did feel like he was throwing shade towards anything Japanese made. He made it seem as if all Japanese watches were cheaply made. Of course some basic research could prove otherwise, like the fact that he's comparing two movements that are priced very differently but not everyone is going to take the time to do the searching. Other than that it was a cool teardown. This guy could be a surgeon with hands that steady 🤣

    • @ark_knight
      @ark_knight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@ChajisShorts Oh he was definitely biased. He failed to mention that the Quartz crisis happened simply because Seiko released Astron. The first Quartz watch which brought a the whole watch luxury thing to its knees and to the common mass. There are many things Seiko is known for in the enthusiast community but the millennials, does it matter? Half the people are busy with 'finger condoms' apparently.

    • @thepjup4507
      @thepjup4507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That really wasn't misleading at all. how can you not extrapolate that he is referring to "THE Japanese movement" as in THE watch that is in the video. You're being needlessly pedantic or you're dumb.

    • @ivanlagrossemoule
      @ivanlagrossemoule 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thepjup4507 Whenever the japanese are mentioned you get all the weebs absolutely needing to defend them, and with the watches you get the Seiko/Grand Seiko nuts defending them too.

  • @michaelbrownlee9497
    @michaelbrownlee9497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The incredible level of engineering involved in the wrist watch. Amazing.

  • @toyotaprius79
    @toyotaprius79 5 ปีที่แล้ว +746

    WIRED, you need James May to do this.

    • @haydenfleetwood9261
      @haydenfleetwood9261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      toyotaprius79 he’s it a watchmaker

    • @robinrai4973
      @robinrai4973 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      "Oh bollocks"

    • @opusfluke2354
      @opusfluke2354 5 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Half the video would be him explaining the difference between Philips Headed and Japanese Industrial Standard screws.

    • @AboveSomething
      @AboveSomething 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      after organizing them by size @@opusfluke2354

    • @Drive-n-Vibe
      @Drive-n-Vibe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      he does seem to collect watches but he'd be useless at this

  • @Elfein
    @Elfein 5 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    Now put them back together.

    • @kokboru5502
      @kokboru5502 5 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      thats what a watchmaker does

    • @Ryotsu2112
      @Ryotsu2112 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      E. Fine
      That’s his job.

    • @matz306
      @matz306 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      #Constructed

    • @Josechpruiz
      @Josechpruiz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I would end with lot of leftover screws after re assembling it

    • @ganjaman59650
      @ganjaman59650 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kokboru5502 then that's what he should have in the first place.

  • @rajgill7576
    @rajgill7576 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    17:00 seiko's magic lever brings bi directional winding to watches under $100

    • @vast634
      @vast634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In practice it works poor compared to the gear solution in the ETA.

    • @elgatto3133
      @elgatto3133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@vast634 not really. the SII 7s26 is one of the most reliable watch movements ever made and it uses the magic lever system.
      I'd say it works pretty well even if not super efficient

  • @sestrelbethesda9450
    @sestrelbethesda9450 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The best thing I’ve watched on TH-cam for a very long time. I love my small watch collection,and you have given me a better understanding of their beating hearts !

  • @FleshWolf
    @FleshWolf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3822

    This is really cool, but... finger condoms

    • @MRLONG758
      @MRLONG758 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      My thoughts exactly

    • @AndreaVerdiCR
      @AndreaVerdiCR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      I came...here for this

    • @Ryotsu2112
      @Ryotsu2112 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Golden Age
      Those finger cots are also used in office environments for repeated page turning to grab the paper and avoid paper cuts.

    • @Koooo4
      @Koooo4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      One of the finger condoms has a hole in it too. That watch might get pregnant.

    • @iMadrid11
      @iMadrid11 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fido Montoya - They’re also used by bus conductors who dispense paper tickets.

  • @hellraiser666666
    @hellraiser666666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +552

    funny how his hat steals all the light he needs ^^

    • @Loic2020
      @Loic2020 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      God bless you

    • @chrisfi3d
      @chrisfi3d 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Opposite of a good watch, lets form get in the way of function.

    • @glenjamindle
      @glenjamindle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But m'lady

    • @jeremyjdl713
      @jeremyjdl713 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reflected light?

    • @ado4224
      @ado4224 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He wore it for the camera. Normally people can't see his head balding.

  • @JesusChristIsLord__
    @JesusChristIsLord__ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow. Just speechless at the production value and at how well done and helpful this is. Thank you!!!

  • @AlreadyTaken999
    @AlreadyTaken999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Got "The carpenter watch with the swiss movement is $825 and the japanese movement retails for $595". Everything else is lost on me.

  • @chrono_ninja
    @chrono_ninja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    20:20 Did you just remove the pallet fork bridge with power still on the watch? You naughty boy.

    • @ryanmjewell
      @ryanmjewell 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Gabe Johnston just a smidge, but yeah...totally naughty

    • @bermchasin
      @bermchasin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Oh no! Who TF would remove the pallet fork bridge with power still on the watch. That is just what I was thinking... what a dummy .... uhh.. right guys??!

    • @JohnathanHendrix
      @JohnathanHendrix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow anyone should know thats a no-no.

    • @spittinvenom9671
      @spittinvenom9671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Blasphemy

  • @cyrilio
    @cyrilio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I need more of these kind of videos. Very nice to go through this in a leisurely pace.

  • @Beaches_south_of_L.A.
    @Beaches_south_of_L.A. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy has an excellent quality for narration and explanation. Because of this video my enthusiasm for watches in general has increased ten fold.

  • @beakytwitch7905
    @beakytwitch7905 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for naming the parts, and showing the differences in construction. Fascinating !

  • @ViniSocramSaint
    @ViniSocramSaint 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Loved every second of it. Never would have thought the pieces in a watch were so tiny and there are way more pieces than just cogs, 3 arms and a spring! And it's nice to know jewels have more uses than just looking pretty. Keep it up with the breaking downs

    • @GulliNL
      @GulliNL ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not trying to be pedantic, just want to enlighten you; the jewels they use in watch making are not the same jewels people would stick in a ring or a bracelet. They're often synthetic and mostly artificially colored to look red like rubies (that's why some manufacturers will list the amount of 'rubies' instead of 'jewels'). Their purpose is to act as a bearing, the material is incredibly hard (one hardness level below diamond) and they're oiled, so when the axle of one of the cogs rotates against it, it won't wear out as much.

    • @ViniSocramSaint
      @ViniSocramSaint ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GulliNL Yeah, learned about that these past 4 years. Most synthetic rubies are purple/lavender though, and learned about crystalline structures of metals that are even harder than diamonds. By the way, you should look into the uses of synthetic sapphires as long-life bearings - or types of quartz. Thanks for taking the time to educate, tho. That info would be gold for people that didn't know ^_^

  • @ricardosime2654
    @ricardosime2654 5 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    Good video. I just wish he used comparable Japanese and Swiss movements. These movements are not comparable at all.

    • @lolcat23
      @lolcat23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yes they are. Both entry level auto with date.

    • @ricardosime2654
      @ricardosime2654 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      One runs at 21600 bph while the other runs at 28800 bph. It would have been nice to see him use the Miyota 9015 instead.

    • @OilBaron
      @OilBaron 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      He's comparing two of the same carpenter watches; that 9015 movement isn't available in this series

    • @qmechkeys
      @qmechkeys 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@lolcat23 The ETA 2824 is literally three times more expensive with more advanced functions

  • @AvroBellow
    @AvroBellow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I'd say that the most iconic Japanese movement out there (simply by volume) is the Seiko NH35A. That's a far more refined movement than the Miyota 8000-series.

    • @kingofpentacles3213
      @kingofpentacles3213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For current production, yes. But I’m pretty sure that there have been more 7S26/36 movements made overall.

    • @AvroBellow
      @AvroBellow ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kingofpentacles3213 You could be right. I honestly don't know. All I know is that I have a ten year-old Invicta Grand Diver that has NEVER needed any servicing whatsoever and works perfectly even today. It of course has an NH35A.

    • @dmac1259
      @dmac1259 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​​@@AvroBellow thats like saying "i havent changed my oil in 25,000 miles and my car is still running!". your watch needs to be serviced.

    • @ronronn3148
      @ronronn3148 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dmac1259 you're ignoring the fact an astonishingly affordable movement has held up for a decade without servicing. thats an amazing achievement for the people that made it, thats the point hes trying to make. its a 100ish dollar watch and hes gotten a decade with it. cant really compare this to a car.

    • @darthgiggity7948
      @darthgiggity7948 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@dmac1259 wow! What an astonishing and infallible analogy!

  • @s3077769
    @s3077769 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I enjoy watching videos of watches getting serviced, but it can get a little tedious. Kudos to this guy for keep me on the edge of my seat the whole time

  • @schmerol
    @schmerol 5 ปีที่แล้ว +905

    the swiss flag is square. kind regards, a swiss guy

    • @tipsysmichigander6483
      @tipsysmichigander6483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      If the issue is not sports and world-wide joy, but politics, then the Swiss flag is kept square, like outside the U.N. headquarters in New York and Geneva. Nepal and Switzerland are the only countries within the United Nations not showing the standard rectangular 2:3 flag but the original proportions.

    • @Apoz
      @Apoz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@tipsysmichigander6483 Don't call it a flag then?

    • @georgejpg
      @georgejpg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@tipsysmichigander6483 There are plenty of flags that aren't 2:3.

    • @tipsysmichigander6483
      @tipsysmichigander6483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@georgejpg Yes, there are, I did not suggest there were not any.

    • @DavidGonzalezSamudio
      @DavidGonzalezSamudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      With all the watchmaking money, you sure can afford the rest of the flag. BTW, what is it with the holes in the cheese, is it related? do you need some bank credit?

  • @saiskanda
    @saiskanda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Loving this new series! 😍 Please make a lot more deconstructed videos 😍

  • @SimonsChannel
    @SimonsChannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    "while Japan isn't necessarily known for its watchmaking"
    C
    A
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    O

    • @diogeneslantern18
      @diogeneslantern18 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@bodhisativaa Citizen, Miyota, Orient

    • @MegaZidzid
      @MegaZidzid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Q&Q

    • @syedmohdfasihnaqvi155
      @syedmohdfasihnaqvi155 4 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      First quartz watch- Seiko
      First Digital watch - Casio
      First Spring drive movement - Grand Seiko
      First Kinetic movement - Seiko
      First solar watch- Seiko
      First Artificial Light Powered watch- Citizen ( Ecodrive)
      And they are saying Japan isn't known for watchmaking

    • @UnburnableCow
      @UnburnableCow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@syedmohdfasihnaqvi155 Yes everyone who is into watches can recognise this but your average person on the street wouldn't. Stop being pretentious you bunch of snobs

    • @syltkaka9816
      @syltkaka9816 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      @@UnburnableCow they are not snobs, they were just pointing out and correcting an obviously false statement.

  • @doktoruzo
    @doktoruzo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fascinating. I would like to see the video of him putting them all back together.

  • @graemeroberts2935
    @graemeroberts2935 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I loved this so much. The ingenuity and precision of the engineering is inspiring, and Ryan Jewell is as articulate as he is skilled. Bravo!

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    13:23 - While it's true that the jewels are synthetic corundum, it is still accurate to call them rubies, because rubies _are_ corundum. So are sapphires. The only difference is the impurities that give the corundum its color. (in its pure form it's clear, which is why it can be used for watch faces as well.) Also, they aren't just used for friction reduction, they're also used for _wear_ reduction. The ratchet engages and disengages 250,000 times PER DAY, and watches are generally used for DECADES. Metal parts would wear-out in a few months at best in that scenario.

    • @benjaminbarrera214
      @benjaminbarrera214 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The old Timex watches used Armalloy metal bearings, no jewels at all. But by then people believed the number of jewels in a watch was an indication of quality, so the jewels are still there to justify the high price.

  • @markyates6206
    @markyates6206 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW!!!!
    What a video!!!
    I sat here completely captivated!
    I love the way you edit the two different views, and narrate with clear concise language...
    Thank you so much, for giving us a look, into the secret magical mystery world, of watchmaking!
    Utterly fascinating!
    You display such a vast amount of knowledge... and, at what appears to be such a young age!
    How did you become so knowledgeable, so early on?
    You have all my respect and admiration young man!!!
    My hat is off to you!

  • @alaneasley6266
    @alaneasley6266 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very cool! Love the fact that he didn’t try and talk while working and saved the commentary for the voiceover.

  • @jonnywaselectric
    @jonnywaselectric 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Very entertaining, having worked in manufacturing I would find all the tooling and custom machines that made all those parts extremely interesting

    • @evindrews
      @evindrews 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that would be the most interesting part.

    • @jurivlk5433
      @jurivlk5433 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Russ Olson They were geniuses and made a lot by hand. Let's say 200 years ago they already had machines to put up some mass production, but earlier they filed the dented wheels all by hand. That's why watches were very expensives. I have a friend that is almost crazy and he is able to reproduce any part by hand or with a simple machine. And oh my God!, He can spend more than a day on a wheel!

  • @obviousgreyman
    @obviousgreyman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    This makes me want a mechanical watch now just because of the incredible intricacies of them. I knew they were complicated but wow that is insane.

    • @thomasdrysdale4240
      @thomasdrysdale4240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Prices only start at like 100 bucks

    • @obviousgreyman
      @obviousgreyman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thomasdrysdale4240 what are some good brands that are around that price?

    • @hathaway.1166
      @hathaway.1166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@obviousgreyman None, if you really want a good watch with a decent movements, start at $300 or above. Baltic, Seiko, Hamilton, Orient and Tissot are the best brands I can think of.

    • @obviousgreyman
      @obviousgreyman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hathaway.1166 that’s what I thought I was being a bit of a smartass with that guy I thought he’d at least have a recommendation.

    • @hathaway.1166
      @hathaway.1166 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@obviousgreyman 😅

  • @Carpenters_Canvas
    @Carpenters_Canvas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s really amazing how small all this stuff is and so precise

  • @taylorwatson7932
    @taylorwatson7932 5 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    If you do another one of these, use movements of similar price range. You compared an economical Japanese movement to a high-end Swiss.
    Next time, make sure they’re in the same price bracket. That would make this a much more credible video.

    • @c.san.8751
      @c.san.8751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @DiscoFalcon Not really a high end swiss movement.

    • @mygamingchannel8555
      @mygamingchannel8555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Japan usually focus more on quality and reliability.. They skip the decorations.. But there are also high end japanese movement which are greatly decorated

    • @matthewmeredith3138
      @matthewmeredith3138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The point of this video wasn't to say which of the two is better, it was just to show two different movements..... Not everything has to be a competition.

    • @MazdaRX7007
      @MazdaRX7007 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The problem with your request, is that the japanese would make something much better for much cheaper.

    • @c.san.8751
      @c.san.8751 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewmeredith3138 No, but it usually is - human nature.

  • @Stralows
    @Stralows 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Brilliant!! Please continue with this series !! They are awesome! I really enjoyed the two episodes so far!

  • @MamaLifeBre
    @MamaLifeBre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Both are outstanding, could maybe be a better comparison but it's a fun video. I love the Japanese movements even more than Swiss, for example Grand Seiko's in-house movements like the Hi-beat Cal. 9SA5

  • @jacktsipcis6341
    @jacktsipcis6341 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video!! Thank you so much. Beautifully done, very interesting, and professional. I can see that you are an artist. The attention to detail in the production of the video is superb.

  • @careychan7726
    @careychan7726 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is incredible! Update more amazing contents in this series please!

  • @EMKWANREVIEWS
    @EMKWANREVIEWS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    This is awesome!

  • @MordecaiWalfish
    @MordecaiWalfish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's like the most intense game of Operation ever, watching him pull those little parts out with tweezers.

  • @j.j.k9349
    @j.j.k9349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I took apart a watch once to fix a movement, and was so confused by all of the little pieces I couldn't put it back together. This is really a skilled trade.

  • @FrankLavoy
    @FrankLavoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m impressed by this type of dedication to details … small details.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @itsalgud1459
    @itsalgud1459 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Fascinating video! I’ve been doing a lot of research about watches for over a year now, including a lot of time looking at simulations of how a mechanical movement works. I understand this pretty well by now, but watching you disassemble two different very well known movements has just been amazing. I really appreciate your doing this and explaining it so clearly. I cannot imagine anyone having the skills to handle these microscopic parts, being someone with all the eye hand coordination of a rhinoceros! 😩 thanks very much for this great information.👍

  • @CNSZU
    @CNSZU 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This video should have added more commentary and analysis on the differences between the watches and how they tie in with the price difference. For example, how do the Swiss and Japanese come up with different solutions to the same problem and what are the pros and cons? Then, we could actually learn something useful.

  • @shmutube
    @shmutube 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Totally mesmerizing! Thanks so much for this video! I just got into the hobby, more as a enthusiast than a collector.

  • @xxxxyyyxxxx584
    @xxxxyyyxxxx584 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    GS springdrive is objectively the best movement in existence at the moment

  • @ATinyWaffle
    @ATinyWaffle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    He cares about not getting finger oils on the components but he touched nearly every piece with his index finger with a big hole ripped in the latex protector.

    • @em0_tion
      @em0_tion 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It's a demonstration, can you not complain and just appreciate what you witnessed? I'm sure he does a lot more stuff to such watches that he can't show us and we won't even comprehend. That was just the disassembly of 2 brand new watches, imagine repairing a broken and dirty old watch... Can't be perfect in everything, at least he is in what actually matters.

    • @WESTSIDEBBB
      @WESTSIDEBBB 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@em0_tion Nobody is allowed to complain or comment on the broken finger condoms, got it. ATinyWaffle needs to relax, he's freaking out over nothing, right.

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      finger condoms*

    • @flybeep1661
      @flybeep1661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@WESTSIDEBBB Get lost with that stupid sarcasm snowflake.

    • @bitfreakazoid
      @bitfreakazoid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      It's a legitimate point.
      Not to mention only has them on the one hand, but at times uses his other hand to manipulate something.

  • @fiftyfive567
    @fiftyfive567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +503

    Seiko was founded in 1877.... Rolex in 1905... Just to give the people some perspective on what the narrator considers "not being known for their watchmaking" talking about Japan...

    • @lolcat23
      @lolcat23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Vacheron constantin in 1755. Not throwing any shade on Japanese watches (love me some seiko). But the fact is Japan is not known for watchmaking, does not have a prominent history in watchmaking (compared the English, French or Swiss).

    • @fiftyfive567
      @fiftyfive567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      @@lolcat23 Japanese watchmaking caused the biggest crisis for Swiss watchmakers in the history of their existence with the proliferation of quarz movements back in the days... That is quite some history, I would say. It would not be fair to reduce the Japanese watchmaking to that example, but it is the most obvious.

    • @fiftyfive567
      @fiftyfive567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@lolcat23 the example of Rolex vs seiko was only to show the point that one of the most recognized watch brands by the non-enthusiasts + enthusiasts does not really have a lot more history then seiko. In fact there is only a hand full of manufacturers that are close to seiko...

    • @fiftyfive567
      @fiftyfive567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@PyCoder82 is 141 years a lot of watchmaking history for a company? If you say it isn't, then you are right with the assumption that the Japanese don't have any... The comparison with Rolex was just to give some perspective so that people understand that there are well known Swiss brands that objectively don't offer more history...

    • @justin.booth.
      @justin.booth. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I think he just meant that more people are familiar with Swiss watches, he was not commenting on quality. People associate watches/watchmaking more with Switzerland than Japan.

  • @RickfromVancouver
    @RickfromVancouver 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why like browsing through TH-cam. I would never think of looking for this type of video, but
    I watched it right through and learned some things about mechanical watches.

  • @TwoPunchMan492
    @TwoPunchMan492 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this so much, i love watches and seeing this grows my appreciation for the craft

  • @qassandraable
    @qassandraable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I love this. My brother got into trouble for 'deconstructing' a watch. He was 5 at the time. I sent this right off to him.

    • @TheDavemarz
      @TheDavemarz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I took everything apart as a child. I even broke a car door once. And now I'm a mechanical engineer and I take things apart, fix them, rebuild them or design replacements and get payed for it. I feel that kind of curiosity should be encouraged.

  • @hades1127
    @hades1127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My Brain at 2AM: Why don't we watch someone deconstruct a watch
    Me: Perfect!!

  • @ianmacfarlane1241
    @ianmacfarlane1241 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely fascinating.
    My uncle is (was - retired) a watchmaker for Watches of Switzerland - a high end proprietor of watches.
    I wish I'd considered it seriously when I was younger.

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Iain you can still do it. don't let your uncle's knowledge go to waste. you need to pick his brain

  • @coldanielleensaijp9465
    @coldanielleensaijp9465 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is by far one of the best show when addressing watches: the inside works is the very heart of it. (Outstanding PR ) A must see for every: Swiss watch buyer

  • @drapsin89
    @drapsin89 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For me is interesting part is the level of precision manufacturing on those small pieces he kept pulling out. And also I'm wondering if those pieces are assembled by a watchmaker by hand or is it like a factory process where all of this is automated.

    • @Dragonwar0
      @Dragonwar0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To answer your 4 year old comment. By hand 😂

  • @Sssthpok
    @Sssthpok 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I'm a huge fan of Seiko chronographs.... I collect 6139 calibres, these were incredibly good value back in their day. Now wearing a Sport 5, and cannot overstate the value for money of these mechanical movements.... Swiss cannot touch these for price to quality ratio. BTW, your watchmaker should really not be breathing on the open movements ...

    • @luchadorito
      @luchadorito 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which 6139s do you have? I had my eyes on them for a while but the prices are skyrocketing

    • @nocturnalmayhem0
      @nocturnalmayhem0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@luchadorito the best value in 6139 are the yellow dials i got one for 550 the silver dials (more rare) are shootin over 1000 dollars now

    • @luchadorito
      @luchadorito 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nocturnalmayhem0 Really? In my experience the cheap ones tend to be the 6139-6015s but that might be just my region

    • @TimB33
      @TimB33 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm just starting to collect 6139's. I'm planning on having ago at a service on one of the beaters in a week or two.

    • @MrMegaTubs
      @MrMegaTubs 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you ever had one apart to understand their "value for money"?
      Garish designs, hugely overpriced vintage market catering to Hodinkee Hipsters.

  • @MrOliver1312
    @MrOliver1312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's amazing how reliable these things are with such tiny pieces

  • @pav4540
    @pav4540 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the part at 23:30, especially the "people will wear something that is a reflection of themselves, is how they express themselves, by the watches they choose

  • @Ahcelaht
    @Ahcelaht 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hamilton still makes watches, but in Switzerland. I have one and I love it!!! Great brand.

  • @wpherigo1
    @wpherigo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Of course, Seiko automatics wind in both directions. I think most Miyota autos are only unidirectional.

  • @TheBelse
    @TheBelse 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watches ...great description of internal parts. Thanks.

  • @pbxn-3rdx-85percent
    @pbxn-3rdx-85percent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whatever happens, absolutely no sneezing or all these tiny parts would fly in every direction.

  • @zszs22334455
    @zszs22334455 5 ปีที่แล้ว +295

    "While Japan isn't necessarily known for its watchmaking" You are the frog in the well that knows nothing of the great ocean. lol

    • @JETBLACKPRIEST
      @JETBLACKPRIEST 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      He isn't necessarily wrong, the average consumer would likely recognise Japan for their culture, pop culture, cars, etc etc before watch making, you kinda gotta be a watch guy to know about it

    • @Ruminatee
      @Ruminatee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Aussie Viking II everyone knows what seiko is

    • @JamesMinerTattoo
      @JamesMinerTattoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ruminate yeah but the swiss are world famous for luxury mechanicals. That was his point

    • @benjaminschmidt3612
      @benjaminschmidt3612 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Ruminatee Didn't know it was japanese. Just assumed it was a fancy name.

    • @engeenir7440
      @engeenir7440 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OK nerd

  • @ve2zzz
    @ve2zzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    9:20 VERY important step skipped here: Release all of the mainspring tension before removing any of the gear train bridges. Preferably, remove the pallet bridge first (after releasing mainspring tension) to make sure absolutely no energy is left in the mainspring.

  • @wonkachocolates6133
    @wonkachocolates6133 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating to look at the precision parts inside of a watch...so very cool...!!!

  • @kylestokes4501
    @kylestokes4501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Autopsy of a Swiss Watch vs. Japanese Watch, and both served me very well for years. A Seiko 5 SNK789 vs. a Tissot Automatic. Both bought in Dubai, both loyal serving YEARS later. Pick your taste. My wife laid claim to the Seiko, and I busted the Tissot on an Engineering Job, both breathlessly amazing engineered watches... appreciate the workmanship of both, pick your heart, choose, and you can’t go wrong. A Walmart Timex in quartz movement is actually more dependable- these are for gentleman and ladies who appreciate complications and engineering, an art as well as a science. A Masterpiece on your arm, no matter the cost. Both are mentally overwhelming at the price.
    Enjoy your purchase, and the sweat, labor, and meticulous machining and hand design that went into making a modern marvel, both will serve you well, and has my total respect, admiration, and awe!

  • @adamsong8514
    @adamsong8514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    6:41 " It's a yoke!!!" - Fernando Alonso

    • @me-zb7qm
      @me-zb7qm 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adam Song A YOKE!!!

    • @logwind
      @logwind 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      GP2 engine. GP2.

    • @kronos1850
      @kronos1850 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the first chickEn,a bit of a long chickEn

    • @sultanabran1
      @sultanabran1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      what an idiot. hulkenburg was right.

  • @Nikioko
    @Nikioko 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Mechanical watches came back because modern computer-based production techniques made it possible to produce highly accurate parts for a resonable price. Up to the 70s, every cogwheel had to be either made by hand or by automatic production techniques with more specification tolerance resulting in less accurate watches.

  • @tornagawn
    @tornagawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic….interesting, fascinating, and it explains the odd stutter on my Miyota watch movement second hand….indirect drive.
    many thanks for this.

  • @CDankies
    @CDankies 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We need more of these!

  • @markomarin3414
    @markomarin3414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    to anyone who getting triggered by this video, just bare in mind this video were made by wired, so basically for hipster and millennial. its not for deep horology discussion.

    • @REDnBLACKnRED
      @REDnBLACKnRED 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I realise that, but it biases any new watch lovers against Japanese movements/watches and falsely perpetuates the supposed superiority of the Swiss. Can't help but get triggered. P.S - I'm a millennial myself. Thanks for the stereotype.

    • @NathanChisholm041
      @NathanChisholm041 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sure they had some Pabst beers after while listening to vinal on a early record player

    • @MrWizardjr9
      @MrWizardjr9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      idk i feel like its a boomer attitude that swiss watches are always superior

  • @diffendur
    @diffendur 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This was really cool please do more episodes!!

    • @WIRED
      @WIRED  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was actually the second episode in our series, [De]constructed. Here's the first, about a 1974 Harley Shovelhead: th-cam.com/video/W_9nPQFZNBM/w-d-xo.html . Thanks for watching -- and commenting!

    • @clray123
      @clray123 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We need a surgeon deconstructing a living patient.

  • @J69Nice
    @J69Nice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, you should do a breakdown/deconstructed video on quartz, solar quartz, kinetic, and spring drive movements.

  • @m.clayton79
    @m.clayton79 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you TH-cam for finally recommending a good vid and thank you watchmaker for the epic breakdown. I now am a fan of the art⌚️

  • @ExopMan
    @ExopMan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    24:09 That watch is gonna be prego

    • @350606
      @350606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or is it the finger that gets preggo? Dun dun dun!

  • @egonzalez4294
    @egonzalez4294 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Such mechanism does exactly the same and less accurately than a 1mm chip with a tiny quartz crystal, it's amazing how much we have progressed, watchmaking is an acient art in a way.

    • @notaspy_3604
      @notaspy_3604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mechanical watches are still better

    • @FirstNameLastName-kt3zn
      @FirstNameLastName-kt3zn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@notaspy_3604 no they are not. A quartz watch is always more accurate

  • @Simplenetwks
    @Simplenetwks 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    very cool video. learnt a lot. thanks for sharing. please continue to post videos like this.

  • @andysmith7903
    @andysmith7903 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, as a learning amateur I really learnt a lot. many thanks.

  • @WPL410
    @WPL410 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    “The acids in your skin permanently etch into the plating and finish”
    Me: sees hole in finger cot...

  • @andrerouth4253
    @andrerouth4253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very nicely paced disassembly and commentary. The ETA seems like a better movement than the Miyota but the difference in price seems disproportionate. The lack of a hacking mechanism and the use of a plastic gear in the Miyota would move most discerning buyers towards the Swiss movement. Also, the ETA 2824 has 4 (or 5?) different accuracy grades (timing stability in multiple positions). How would you rate the two movements in terms of reliability, maintainability, and repairability?

    • @dmac1259
      @dmac1259 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, he definitely made the swiss movement look better by choosing a lower tier japanese movement to compare it to.

  • @DeKosta
    @DeKosta 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such astounding engineering.. really fascinating. Who could put that thing together after disassembled like that?

  • @Ahcelaht
    @Ahcelaht 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hamilton is still around though, they just moved to Switzerland and are part of the Swatch group. It's one of my favorite brands, I have 3 of them and they're great!

  • @Raditram
    @Raditram 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For the next episode I want "a Boeing 737 deconstructed". I don't care if it's only CAD drawings or be 40 hour long video.

    • @planpitz4190
      @planpitz4190 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Including the jet engines? blade by blade ? That will take more than 40 hours!

  • @srikanthr.lakshmanrao1019
    @srikanthr.lakshmanrao1019 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good education.. I liked it because I am a mechanical watch lover !!!! I love both Swiss and Japan

  • @spontaneousgroovincombusti2902
    @spontaneousgroovincombusti2902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a wonderful peek at this amazing skill. Many of us are so passionate about wristwatches.

  • @themrgumbatron
    @themrgumbatron ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve taken a few watches apart and put them back together, this is a great tutorial.

  • @qanh96
    @qanh96 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I read too quickly and thought the title said "Watchmaker Breaks Down Swiss Cheese".
    Oh well, this is interesting too.

    • @janson2911
      @janson2911 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honestly finna watch a video with a title like that

    • @ag8325
      @ag8325 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We are watching this, let's be honest, we would watch that too

  • @Rejie7S248
    @Rejie7S248 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    FYI: Music at the start is Sunset Drive by Future Joust.

  • @scottd.1700
    @scottd.1700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm here because I was looking for exactly this sort of thing. I need this kind of thing in my life.

  • @paulwilson3434
    @paulwilson3434 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a keeper. The best explanation. Note I am now learning this a hobby. After working as a doctor for 37 years , I needed a hobby . Something better than model cars or airplanes. Thank you my friend. You are very good

  • @leontedumitru
    @leontedumitru 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is no freaking way you can assemble that back! No way!

    • @AnimeVideoEditor
      @AnimeVideoEditor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      im a watchmaker and believe me, if you do that every day it´s easy.

  • @hernancoronel
    @hernancoronel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At 12:23 he leaves a fingerprint on the barrel cap.

  • @JDRichard
    @JDRichard 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video. Do you make any parts?

  • @C4rdboardgun
    @C4rdboardgun 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless people like Ryan... I dig automatics even more now