This was one of the best interviews I recently watched. I find it always refreshing, to hear industry insights from somebody knowledgeable without bullshit bingo marketing stories.
And calmly, I might add. There was a question about whether Selita 200 will be "fixed" to be more like 2824-2 (which is already an old movement). He began with, well, we fixed that 12 years ago, but he went on to answer it anyways.
Great interview and interviewee. I think a lot of people don't really understand Sellita. They really are not just an ETA clone manufacturer. I hope that the new and exciting movements Dr Sebastien spoke about will become more widely available in brands like Tag Heuer, Oris etc.
I like the update to the sw330. Really enjoy the 56 hour power reserve without sacrificing the 4HZ beat rate! I also agree with him about the quick set date being more useful than a jumping hour hand in day-to-day life for most people.
I’m not transiting time zones frequently, but it’s useful for me to know what time it is in another time zone. An “office GMT” is fine for what I need! I suspect this is the case for half the GMT watch crowd.
@@chriscon8463 Yep, plenty of people need to sync with colleagues in a different time zone nowadays. Although a rotating bezel with twelve hour marks on it is sufficient for that purpose. To be absolutely honest though I could do without either cause I just remember the time difference.
I am an avid outdoorsman, and very tough on wrist watches. While I've been pleased with quartz field watches from several brands, every one of them stopped when, unpredictably their batteries died 'exactly' when I was reliant on them; so, I thought I would try one with an automatic movement and purchased a $1,200 Seiko diver - attractive and robust, 6R35 movement good for seventy hours . . . but miserably inaccurate losing thirty seconds daily. I returned it to Seiko for regulating three different times, with no improvment. Next, I purchased a Marathon MSAR with their proprietary version of the Sellita 200-1 movement, and not only has that movement proven robust and reliable, it only loses one to two seconds daily on average. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. Thank you Sellita (and of course, Marathon) for a wonderful product, and outstanding value for money spent!
I had a seiko sports 100 bought in the early 80s ,super reliable quartz movement and it had the function of going into economy mode went th battery was running low which would show by the second hand moving in 2 second intervals giving you plenty of warning the the battery getting low, in the 40 years of ownership it kept perfect time ans never had to be servest ,past it on to my son and it still keeps perfect time
Amazing interview! This guy was super transparent, knowledgeable, and really working hard to preserve & improve the swiss movement industry! bravo and looking forward to what sellita offers in the future!
As a child, I played with the metal waste from the factory in the backyard of the Certina in Grenchen. all these watch small parts have fired my imagination. i have been wearing a certina ds for 40 years.
I much prefer the mobile hour hand, especially on a gmt. If I need to change the date, I can spin the hour hand around 2 times. Even if it’s been a couple weeks, it’s still quick.
Fantastic !!! Great interview - and what a fantastic company. This gentleman is very open in regards to the technical topics, and equally so on the business topics. Very impressive indeed. I was a Sellita fan before, and now even more so!🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭
I would rather watch a technical and informative interview (like this) then am interview with an Internet “celebrity” about their watch choices and modeling gigs.
I’ve had my SW220-1 for 8 years, I hand wind a fair bit more often as the watch is regularly second fiddle to my Apple Watches, the feel of the wind isn’t the greatest but it’s been perfectly reliable 🙂
My OCD does not allow me to buy a watch that I will be constantly thinking that the teeth inside are eaten. I prefer to but a Longines watch with L888 which is more reliable for around the same price rather than a Sellita Oris /Tudor / Baume etc Mercier
Less complications the better. Keep the simple work horse in circulation. Do not change or modify it please. No 70 hour power reserve, or any of that crap. No silicon either. Just want something sturdy and reliable, and easy to service. If people want extra complicated stuff that breaks more frequently, they can spend the extra money and get a Tudor or something. Especially with ETA out of the picture. Sellita should dominate the market now. Don’t mess it up by changing things. This is Toyota’s philosophy. All other car manufacturers want to innovate, and keep up with the latest technology. Toyota does not change things often, and they build really reliable cars. Because of this, Toyota is the #1 selling car brand in the United States. Obviously, they are doing something right. Just as Sellita is doing something right as well. Don’t change. Maintain course. That is the takeaway.
They definitely didn't solve the issue with teeth breaking on the SW-220 with the .1 version, it's still happening, there are countless examples of that. Although, I think it isn't a big deal and probably mainly comes down to people winding it too quickly and with way too much force.
From an engineering/design point of view, what factors prevents Sellita from making movements that run for a full week? Or even run for a month? I know how a watch works, but I am curious to learn what factors prevent the movement from running significantly longer then 62 hours.
A lot of it comes down to barrel capacity. Watches that can run for that long often have oversized barrels or multiple barrels (inside of rather large watch cases that would be too big for most people).
I disagree on true GMT. If they made an affordable true GMT I would buy it in a moment, probably more than one. However, the office GMT does nothing for me and whenever I see Sellita GMT, I immediately unplug. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Good interview but I'm disappointed with the answer to the 2824-2 issue. It is still very much a problem, they must know about this. I have personally had 2 SW-200-2s with this issue both bought in the last 3 years. The 2824 movement design it seems to me is faulty, I was avoiding it but now I will avoid it like the plague. And its clones.
Both Balázs and Sébastien have this tendency to be straight to the point, no BS, while still presenting incredible enthusiasm towards watchmaking, just without the sugarcoating. Great interview!
@@Andrew-rc3vh i agree and i am still a fan of mechanical watches. It makes no sense from a rational standpoint, but i guess it is more an emotional thing.
it is great to hear a Sellita does not want to compete with its customers like so many in the auto parts industry do. With the advent of the internet many companies bit the hand that built them and sold direct to retail customers.
Are you sure it had SW200-1 and not SW200 stocked from an earlier batch? The movement type is engraved just under the balance wheel (if you have a see-through case).
@@baze3SC Positive. It was in a Christopher Ward Sealander, and it felt gritty when winding it when it was brand new. It was my first 'swiss' movement so I wasn't sure if that feeling was normal or not. Once I sent it back and had it repaired it felt much smoother when winding. The problem may not be as common as it once was, but it's still very common. These movements are far less reliable than a cheap Seiko 4R series movements.
One thing he got very wrong was that you have to choose between "home time" (flying local hour hand) and quick-set date. The Tag Heuer Carrera 2 GMT has both, and it isn't the only one. Why didn't he know that, especially considering his position?
From what I could make out from videos of it on the internet (yours included), that seems to behave just like a 2893, but with the hour hand and the GMT hand interchanged - in the sense that when in crown position 2, turning the crown in one direction changes the date and the opposite changes the hour hand (instead of the GMT), and only in one direction.
Hello, The movement you are mentioning is not a full-fledged home time. A real home time display should be able to be set forward AND backward while simultaneously dragging the date in both directions (see Rolex and Omega). Because the home time indication needs both direction of the crown in position 1, the traditional date quick-setting gets lost. The movement you are mentioning doesn’t work as described and is something between a GMT and home time. The home time indication can only be adjusted forward on this particular movement. If you turn the crown backward it corrects the date only. So if you want to set back the time, you have to make two full turns forward (because of 12/24h) and then adjusted the date manually. So every time you want to set the time backwards you loose the right date and have to make several manipulations … it is not particularly practical and, to the best of my knowledge, the only movement to operate this way.
@@chaulmontetsebastien2761 it has a flying local hour hand. You can try to parse it, but that is the fact. It only goes in one direction to allow a quickset date in the other. You can still set it to local time without hacking the movement.
Movement wish list: 100% accuracy everywhere in the world all the time with total autonomy and zero intervention required. ...oh wait. That's my Casio. hahaha
Also, the question about making their own watches - both Seiko and Citizen are doing what they said "no one else is doing". Both sell movements to other brands and produce their own watches.
I have an sw200-1 mechanism, I turn it by balancing it every night... it stopped working because of this - I guess that problematic gear lost her teeth and debris is blocking other gears . The worst mechanism, unworthy of "Switzerland" brand (am ordinary Japanese mechanism NH35A, has no problems turning it by hand). Invicta switched to using Ronda mechanisms.
What? Not sure what you said but If you hand-wound your automatic watch everyday the teeth on ratchet wheel will break. You shouldn't do it. It's self-winding watch, get a manual watch if you want to wind it yourself.
@@Enrico- sorry man, it is both manual and automatic, as of its technical specifications. Anyway, if you read well, you'll see that I said that sw200-1 was wound by balancing it, mainly because I knew about its problems. Still, the wheel broke. Sellita admitted that it was a bad design.
I have Oris Aquis and Davosa Ternos, both with SW200-1 over 2 years and never had an issue with teeth breaking. And I manually wind them a few turns when they stop.
@@peterdegelaen they have a keychain at least. It's about appearance. If people notice and comment it's a negative. It is trivial but real. I'd fire them personally, I don't know the labor market there. In America we have 5 million more people here in the last 2 years so lots of non English speaking workers. It's actually 5.5 million.
Good interview, but the movements are not good. The one I got with my Oris Aquis is pretty shitty, actually. After about 3 years I got the dreaded “helicopter rotor”. In my collection, which is mostly TAG Heuer and Omega chronographs, it is the only Sellita-based watch, and it looks like it is the worst.
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This was one of the best interviews I recently watched. I find it always refreshing, to hear industry insights from somebody knowledgeable without bullshit bingo marketing stories.
This is a remarkable interview. Every question answered expertly and transparently...very impressed.
And calmly, I might add. There was a question about whether Selita 200 will be "fixed" to be more like 2824-2 (which is already an old movement). He began with, well, we fixed that 12 years ago, but he went on to answer it anyways.
Great interview and interviewee. I think a lot of people don't really understand Sellita. They really are not just an ETA clone manufacturer. I hope that the new and exciting movements Dr Sebastien spoke about will become more widely available in brands like Tag Heuer, Oris etc.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This dude is full of shiii
Good job,great interview👍Would be nice to see Soprod,Ronda and La Joux-Perret too someday.
Let's see what we can do about that 🙂
La Joux-Perret please. Citizen is slowly moving then into a very competitive position.
And they have quite a interesting history.😅
Excellent video that sets the record straight on many misconceptions perpetuated by forum cowboys
well said 🙂
Spot on 👍👍👍👍👍
I like the update to the sw330. Really enjoy the 56 hour power reserve without sacrificing the 4HZ beat rate! I also agree with him about the quick set date being more useful than a jumping hour hand in day-to-day life for most people.
The bread and butter SW200 need a PR upgrade too! 38hrs is terrible in today's standard.
I’m not transiting time zones frequently, but it’s useful for me to know what time it is in another time zone. An “office GMT” is fine for what I need! I suspect this is the case for half the GMT watch crowd.
@@chriscon8463 Yep, plenty of people need to sync with colleagues in a different time zone nowadays. Although a rotating bezel with twelve hour marks on it is sufficient for that purpose. To be absolutely honest though I could do without either cause I just remember the time difference.
@@donaldneo4317 did't you saw him say its 42/43 hours now?
Interesting content. Keep up the good work on your channel. Regards, WR4K.
Great interview, someone who knows their stuff and is not just from a marketing team. Good job Chrono24.
I am an avid outdoorsman, and very tough on wrist watches. While I've been pleased with quartz field watches from several brands, every one of them stopped when, unpredictably their batteries died 'exactly' when I was reliant on them; so, I thought I would try one with an automatic movement and purchased a $1,200 Seiko diver - attractive and robust, 6R35 movement good for seventy hours . . . but miserably inaccurate losing thirty seconds daily. I returned it to Seiko for regulating three different times, with no improvment. Next, I purchased a Marathon MSAR with their proprietary version of the Sellita 200-1 movement, and not only has that movement proven robust and reliable, it only loses one to two seconds daily on average. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. Thank you Sellita (and of course, Marathon) for a wonderful product, and outstanding value for money spent!
I had a seiko sports 100 bought in the early 80s ,super reliable quartz movement and it had the function of going into economy mode went th battery was running low which would show by the second hand moving in 2 second intervals giving you plenty of warning the the battery getting low, in the 40 years of ownership it kept perfect time ans never had to be servest ,past it on to my son and it still keeps perfect time
By far the most informative watch related video Ive seen in years. Thank you so much for this!
Amazing interview! This guy was super transparent, knowledgeable, and really working hard to preserve & improve the swiss movement industry! bravo and looking forward to what sellita offers in the future!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great interview with great answers. I'm a big Sellita fan. Bang for buck!!
Great interview!Smart person talking to smart person! I would like more of this kind of content!
As a child, I played with the metal waste from the factory in the backyard of the Certina in Grenchen. all these watch small parts have fired my imagination. i have been wearing a certina ds for 40 years.
Love this!
Thank you for this fantastic interview! It nice to hear that they are open to supply everybody with movements and spare parts!
Make a chronograph movement with column wheel and vertical clutch
Now I want to buy more watches with Sellita movement 🙂👍
I much prefer the mobile hour hand, especially on a gmt. If I need to change the date, I can spin the hour hand around 2 times. Even if it’s been a couple weeks, it’s still quick.
Swiss Teddy Baldassarre?
Fantastic !!! Great interview - and what a fantastic company. This gentleman is very open in regards to the technical topics, and equally so on the business topics. Very impressive indeed. I was a Sellita fan before, and now even more so!🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭
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Hello, best interview and put Sellita in a new power position !
I would rather watch a technical and informative interview (like this) then am interview with an Internet “celebrity” about their watch choices and modeling gigs.
Thanks for this! Love these insights!
The irony of the employees wearing apple watches 😂
I am getting a watch with a Sellita SW-200-1. I was wondering about the problem with hand winding and the ratchet wheel teeth breaking.
I’ve had my SW220-1 for 8 years, I hand wind a fair bit more often as the watch is regularly second fiddle to my Apple Watches, the feel of the wind isn’t the greatest but it’s been perfectly reliable 🙂
My OCD does not allow me to buy a watch that I will be constantly thinking that the teeth inside are eaten. I prefer to but a Longines watch with L888 which is more reliable for around the same price rather than a Sellita Oris /Tudor / Baume etc Mercier
Best quote from the entire video. "Don't go too far, otherwise you'll make a quartz watch..."
Good work!! 👏🙌
(Also, I love how the watch makers are wearing a smart watch while assembling the watch hahah)
Geez, right?...there would be a memo, especially when there are cameras on..
They aren't watchmakers though, they're just workers on an assembly line.
I'm glad he spoke about Silicon hairspring a lot of people believe it's better he explains why it's not 👍
Amen!
Great movements, real
workhorses.
I didn’t know the history of Sellita and ETA. Great interview.
Who is wachting this in 2023 ?
Less complications the better. Keep the simple work horse in circulation. Do not change or modify it please. No 70 hour power reserve, or any of that crap. No silicon either. Just want something sturdy and reliable, and easy to service. If people want extra complicated stuff that breaks more frequently, they can spend the extra money and get a Tudor or something.
Especially with ETA out of the picture. Sellita should dominate the market now. Don’t mess it up by changing things. This is Toyota’s philosophy. All other car manufacturers want to innovate, and keep up with the latest technology. Toyota does not change things often, and they build really reliable cars. Because of this, Toyota is the #1 selling car brand in the United States. Obviously, they are doing something right. Just as Sellita is doing something right as well. Don’t change. Maintain course. That is the takeaway.
This is 100% on the mark with the GMT function. I won’t buy a GMT if it doesn’t have a quickset date.
They definitely didn't solve the issue with teeth breaking on the SW-220 with the .1 version, it's still happening, there are countless examples of that.
Although, I think it isn't a big deal and probably mainly comes down to people winding it too quickly and with way too much force.
Just purchased a watch with selita sw200-1
Ah...that's why Tissot change from silicium to nivachron. Good move before more and more people complaint on the silicium
Seiko 24 and 26 jewels movement is better than sellita 26 jewels , and miyota 9 series better than any super expensive rolex movements
I liike this guy. He's got moxy. I had an oudated view of Sellita and he changed it.
Excellent interview and Thomas knows his stuff.
From an engineering/design point of view, what factors prevents Sellita from making movements that run for a full week? Or even run for a month? I know how a watch works, but I am curious to learn what factors prevent the movement from running significantly longer then 62 hours.
A lot of it comes down to barrel capacity. Watches that can run for that long often have oversized barrels or multiple barrels (inside of rather large watch cases that would be too big for most people).
Next stop; ETA’s factory?
First world problem: Ways of how to set the date 🙈
Still a good interview. Very interesting! :)
Hahahhaa 😂
Really great interview - you can reall tell Sabastien really understands his stuff.
Swiss made is gimmick now, no brass copper movements its steel movements cheap like Japanese chinese movements
Can sellita produce 6497, 6498 ?....
Well done! Very informative despite viewer questions.
very interesting, great video.
Great episode!!!
man this guy knows his stuff. awesome.
I disagree on true GMT. If they made an affordable true GMT I would buy it in a moment, probably more than one. However, the office GMT does nothing for me and whenever I see Sellita GMT, I immediately unplug. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Good interview but I'm disappointed with the answer to the 2824-2 issue. It is still very much a problem, they must know about this. I have personally had 2 SW-200-2s with this issue both bought in the last 3 years. The 2824 movement design it seems to me is faulty, I was avoiding it but now I will avoid it like the plague. And its clones.
very interesting interview
The employee wearing the Apple watch should be fired
What movement caliber number will have a column wheel and flyback chrono ???
Outstanding
Both Balázs and Sébastien have this tendency to be straight to the point, no BS, while still presenting incredible enthusiasm towards watchmaking, just without the sugarcoating. Great interview!
The whole concept of a mechanical watch in the 21st century is BS. A fool and their money...
@@Andrew-rc3vh i agree and i am still a fan of mechanical watches. It makes no sense from a rational standpoint, but i guess it is more an emotional thing.
@@Csibu89 De Beers made a fortune out of an emotional thing.
5:27 now I love my Islander Republic GMT even more...if u didn't get on boy u missed out!
Very interesting 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Openess and transparency, best marketing tool ever. Fantastic interview and much better understand the industry and Sellita.
'dilutes the Swiss-ness" is my favourite quote from this video.
Amazing!
it is great to hear a Sellita does not want to compete with its customers like so many in the auto parts industry do. With the advent of the internet many companies bit the hand that built them and sold direct to retail customers.
Great interview, very interesting to listen to. I also love Sebastian’s shirt, with a cutout for his watch. 😊
Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
A quality interview with some honest answers. Really liked it : )
I would be a customer for the jumping hour hand.
I didnt think Seth Green would operate a company like Sellita
Very informative and interesting! Thank you.
Fantastic,eye opening interview,thank you!
Fantastic interview, thank you very much
The teeth breaking issue has NOT been resolved over 10 years ago. I warrantied a watch earlier this year that had this problem.
Are you sure it had SW200-1 and not SW200 stocked from an earlier batch? The movement type is engraved just under the balance wheel (if you have a see-through case).
@@baze3SC Positive. It was in a Christopher Ward Sealander, and it felt gritty when winding it when it was brand new. It was my first 'swiss' movement so I wasn't sure if that feeling was normal or not. Once I sent it back and had it repaired it felt much smoother when winding.
The problem may not be as common as it once was, but it's still very common. These movements are far less reliable than a cheap Seiko 4R series movements.
@@dustingaddis2423 Interesting, good to know. I've never experienced it myself but it's something to be aware of.
"It's eternal . . . as long as you have spare parts"
Very informative, thank you!
nice interview with Andrew Garfield
Sellita will make the " sonnerie " ?
Great video, thank you!
Interesting ,thank you 👍
Sellita, the swiss sweatshop.
One thing he got very wrong was that you have to choose between "home time" (flying local hour hand) and quick-set date. The Tag Heuer Carrera 2 GMT has both, and it isn't the only one. Why didn't he know that, especially considering his position?
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From what I could make out from videos of it on the internet (yours included), that seems to behave just like a 2893, but with the hour hand and the GMT hand interchanged - in the sense that when in crown position 2, turning the crown in one direction changes the date and the opposite changes the hour hand (instead of the GMT), and only in one direction.
@@torquey88 exactly. The local hour changes, and the date changes. It isn't the either-or thing he presents it as.
Hello,
The movement you are mentioning is not a full-fledged home time. A real home time display should be able to be set forward AND backward while simultaneously dragging the date in both directions (see Rolex and Omega). Because the home time indication needs both direction of the crown in position 1, the traditional date quick-setting gets lost.
The movement you are mentioning doesn’t work as described and is something between a GMT and home time. The home time indication can only be adjusted forward on this particular movement. If you turn the crown backward it corrects the date only. So if you want to set back the time, you have to make two full turns forward (because of 12/24h) and then adjusted the date manually. So every time you want to set the time backwards you loose the right date and have to make several manipulations … it is not particularly practical and, to the best of my knowledge,
the only movement to operate this way.
@@chaulmontetsebastien2761 it has a flying local hour hand. You can try to parse it, but that is the fact. It only goes in one direction to allow a quickset date in the other. You can still set it to local time without hacking the movement.
Movement wish list: 100% accuracy everywhere in the world all the time with total autonomy and zero intervention required. ...oh wait. That's my Casio. hahaha
Hahahhaa
Also, the question about making their own watches - both Seiko and Citizen are doing what they said "no one else is doing". Both sell movements to other brands and produce their own watches.
I have an sw200-1 mechanism, I turn it by balancing it every night... it stopped working because of this - I guess that problematic gear lost her teeth and debris is blocking other gears . The worst mechanism, unworthy of "Switzerland" brand (am ordinary Japanese mechanism NH35A, has no problems turning it by hand). Invicta switched to using Ronda mechanisms.
What? Not sure what you said but If you hand-wound your automatic watch everyday the teeth on ratchet wheel will break. You shouldn't do it. It's self-winding watch, get a manual watch if you want to wind it yourself.
@@Enrico- sorry man, it is both manual and automatic, as of its technical specifications. Anyway, if you read well, you'll see that I said that sw200-1 was wound by balancing it, mainly because I knew about its problems. Still, the wheel broke. Sellita admitted that it was a bad design.
@@peasantrobot Good enough that even Tudor and Breitling and Tag Huer use it.
I have Oris Aquis and Davosa Ternos, both with SW200-1 over 2 years and never had an issue with teeth breaking. And I manually wind them a few turns when they stop.
I’ll take a Japanese movement over any Swiss movement any day.
The staff working on mechanical watch wear a iwatch, ridiculous?
Trump said it best "you're fired!"
Do you think everyone working at Rolls Royce drives a Rolls Royce?
@@peterdegelaen they have a keychain at least. It's about appearance. If people notice and comment it's a negative. It is trivial but real. I'd fire them personally, I don't know the labor market there. In America we have 5 million more people here in the last 2 years so lots of non English speaking workers. It's actually 5.5 million.
@@thereissomecoolstuff I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
@@peterdegelaen ditto....
Good interview, but the movements are not good. The one I got with my Oris Aquis is pretty shitty, actually. After about 3 years I got the dreaded “helicopter rotor”. In my collection, which is mostly TAG Heuer and Omega chronographs, it is the only Sellita-based watch, and it looks like it is the worst.
Should have asked him why you can’t hand wind the P.O.S. Known as the Sellita SW200-1
Hopefully we'll get our silicon parts form Korea or China.
Terrible movments with the notorious tooth shedding winding gear wheel. Do not buy the rubbish.
Anyone know the the model number for the column wheel flyback Chronograph movement he mentioned? Can’t seem to find any info for it.