Winds of Winter Predictions: Revenge of the Rhoynar
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- Quentyn Martell got himself cooked by a dragon. Arianne Martell is headed to Storm's End to meet fAegon. Tyene and Nymeria Sand are headed to Kings Landing, and Obara is headed towards a confrontation with Darkstar. Doran Martell's plans are in motion, and the red will surely run.
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“Beware the wrath of a patient man.”
The quote is - Beware the "fury" of a patient man. But it's pretty close
I feel like maybe Arianne and Dany May have a squabble. Not a cringe one like Sansa / Dany in the show. But with reason. Like Arianne might acuse Dany of being a liar: killed quentyn and calls fAegon an impostor etc etc
It what I was thinking about more recently, it almost is like Arianne storyline was consumed for Sansa Stark in the show like they turned Sansa Stark into Arianne so Arianne will have a similar storyline
@@Henbot that’s what I thought too- it’s funny b/c Arianne comes across like such an air head with the way she thinks about Dany’s story - terrible pick of story merging just for the sake of filling up gaps.
I think there gonna be marriage between faegon and Arianna
@@christophertracy7136 it's not about dragons it's about birthright and the right thing
at first I was wondering why Doran was sending his children out to fail but now I'm thinking that he's waited a bit too long and he's got no choice anymore
Yes, I think that's a good encapsulation of the sitch
I thought the show and the long wait for TWoW had killed it for me, but Quinn and LML are seriously getting me excited about ASOIAF again.
There’s some hesitant optimism that it’ll be out next year, 2021, but since GRRM has said ‘it’s coming out in 20XX’ before and it didn’t it’s not definite. Idk how it takes a whole decade to write a book but it better be good
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Is it me or is it fAegon is likely having his own "The Bachelors" Show. His currently the most important single guy in the continent right now and alot of major players would probably want to push their daughters to him. Like example we got:
1) Arianne Martel - heir to Dorn
2) Sansa Stark - the last known key to the North and even possibly the next lady of the Vale
3) Shireen Baratheon - by the right of his father making her the heir to the throne.
4) Margery Tyrell - this is nit picky. But their are possibly that Tommen will die eventually.
5) Cercie - Yes she's an old cuch. But she's still balls to the wall in love of the concept of an silver haired prince. Imagine seeing Young Griff for the first time.
I forgot to mention
6) Mycella Baratheon in the list. She's pretty much the same age of Shireen.
7) The fowler Twins
8) Any Frey girls out there
@@monsouranda2822 how on Earth can you say that a man go for a young girl and her mother ? Isn't that gross
@@bmabhilash01 I'm talking about medieval political practices. Nobility marriage back then was never been about love. Its mostly about political agreement and alliances. Of course Aegon would say no. But if certain events would occur and his cause would badly needed of some sort of agreement on the opposition or etc. His council and the others would consider this options.
I see it ending in senseless tragedy. Jon Connington has greyscale and they don't seem to have the concept of germ theory yet (except for Dorne, but that is a story for another day). It's just like GRRM to create the perfect benevolent ruler and kill him off with a random disease. There are no happy endings in Westeros.
@@sleekoduck On one of the Arianne POV in Winds sample. Their is a girl dreaming of a grey dragon spitting disease and killing anyone. Guess that's going to be the Golden Company's downfall.
Ah Book!Sand Snakes are a painful reminder of my disappointment when I learned we wouldn't have Arianne in season 5. At that point I was like "oooh that's not good, they're removing some of the best stuff" and BOY was I not surprised to see how season 5 unfolded lol (aka I ragequit by episode 2 or 3). Series Onlies have been robbed of the Dornish plot, which gives us some amazing characterisation and character development (the "chapter should be analysed as a proper piece of literature" type of amazing).
I was disappointed when I found out Arianne wasn't going to be in the show. But when I saw the actress Tyene playing with knives, I knew something was going on... something very wrong.
If Barristan survives the Battle of Fire, I'm sure Doran would belive Ser Barristan. And Ser Barristan knows what happened to Quentin.
Barristan will only be where Daenerys is. And it will be hard to get Dany and Doran together in person. Some people actually think Quentin is still alive. Would be interesting but so unlikely
I agree 100%
Barristan I think is the betrayal for blood. Like when he thinks rhaegars son is alive.
Doran told Arienne to stay out of the golden company thing if there’s no dragons. I think he will keep Dorn out till the dragons arrive
While Barriston did serve on the kingsguard with prince luen (spelling) Selmy did not try to assist Elia
And then he bent the knee to the Usurper.
@@alexarias5717 i hope he is Alive remember my friend burnt bones prove nothing.
I can understand Doran's hesitancy so well. I've had moments pass me by because they weren't perfect, only for nothing better to ever come again. The blood orange is passed ripe
Can I just say that I super appreciate that you and Quinn don't have a blanket, automatic hatred of the female characters and their storylines. I think I spent too much time shitty 4chan GoT threads* that I find all this really refreshing. Appreciate your guy's work! Keep it up!
(*my mistake, I know)
Your welcome, and I know what you mean. I'm sure I speak for Quinn as well when I say that we just like good characters and aren't blinded by sexism, so we don't miss all the good female characters. I'm overdue for more Brienne coverage tbh
I'm interested to see where the Alleras/Sarella plotline will lead. I also wonder if Doran is apart of Sarellas scheme there.
I think that she will be the only one who will be alive by being away from the rest of her family and their plots.
YES! I want to see what she's up to and if Doran sent her to Oldtown for a reason. With Euron probably on his way there, though, I'm concerned for her safety.
@@GretchenLovesBooks oh yeah I forgot about that
@@sebastianmunozochoa1485 I think Sarella will eventually shoot/kill the dragon Dany loses through its eye w/her golden heart bow. Or, she'll shoot Euron in his "crow's eye". There's gotta be a reason George showcased her archery skills, hitting small targets moving through the air w/deadly precision...
Most likely
The most interesting thing about Doran to me is that he is introduced to us as the paragon of patience, waiting until his plans are rotten so to speak before realizing he has waited too long. And even after everyone has told him to move he doesn't. He has all his hopes on Quentyn yet I have no doubt that when Faegon reveals himself and Quentyn turns up dead this will finally be his moment, and he will act, out of emotion if nothing else. Yet this absurdly lethargic character will be too hasty when you consider that if he had simply just waited for Dany to show up and back her all his plans would have worked out. It will be Yet another human heart in conflict with itself moment as Doran realizes that even he, patience incarnate was no patient enough for his plans to work out. I even imagine this little monologue at the end of the book where he is taking to someone about how he fooled himself into thinking his time had come and now the innocents of Dorne will suffer for his impatience as Dany essentially punishes Dorne for its betrayal in supporting the mummers dragon. This moment to me I can feel will be overlooked even though it hasn't happened yet because it's more subtle but this is no different than Jaime losing his hand, Cersei losing her beauty, Arya losing her sight... Doran losing his patience. Yet no less impactful to the heart of the character.
I really don’t think Doran “has all his hopes on Quentyn”. The evidence suggests that he set him up to fail.
He sent the boy off with a skeleton crew, no gifts nor apparel worthy of a king consort, and while he gave Arianne a book about dragons he didn’t give one to Quentyn.
Then there’s his crew, the Yronwoods who are the Martell’s main rivals in Dorne. They undermine the quest East at every step. However, given that they raised Quentyn they also want to keep him alive.
It’s quite clear that Doran set his son up to fail with the safety net of Yronwood’s, quite possibly in order to deceive the latter about his real plans.
@GracchiII yeah I've seen Preston's Dornish Master Plan. He makes a lot of good points some you mentioned. However to say he set Quentyn up to fail I think is an exaggeration. I don't think Doran is so callous as to literally sell his firstborn son to his enemies, that'd be cruel even for Roose Bolton. And what'd be the point? If he really needed to give them a hostage for some reason he could have given them a sandsnake or a younger son. Saying that Doran pinned all his hopes on Quentyn is maybe an overstatement, but I don't think it was just a sacrifice. It was probably a hail Mary that just didn't pay off. Doran wants revenge at the end of the day and an alliance with Dany could have done that. As for him not giving Quentyn suffient equipment, it was a stealth mission, best done with fewer people. I think it's possible that the Yronwoods and Doran are closer than Preston thinks, after all they would have had to arrange quentyns whole mission together even as misguided as it was. And if the Yronwoods have quentyn as a hostage they would have to have some hope in success otherwise they'd be throwing their prized hostage away. I think it's too soon to tell what the Dornish Master plan is exactly if there is one.
You guys made me wonder if show Sansa’s attitude towards dany , will be similar to how Arianne’s attitude will be towards dany in TWOW 🤔
I think so especially if her brother was killed by Daenerys dragons she would try to blame her and hate her and for it
I’ve never pictured Dorne as a desert of Dune like the Sahara. I picture Dorne like southern Spain arid and rocky or like the Great Basin Desert of Nevada or the Mojave Desert of New Mexico. Those areas are rich in mineral resources like iron in the rocks and coal under the bedrock and they support multitudes of life but you have to be hard to live there.
Another factor that could drive the Martells to support Aegon Blackfyre - Nymeria’s mother is one of the nobles of Volantis living behind the black walls. Guess who Dany is going to burn.
I think Arch will be killed and Drink will be the only one to survive and tell Doran what happened to Quentyn, of course he’ll tell his own warped anti-Dany version of events.
Hey those are both good points!! Nice!
The ripe blood oranges gave me strong Fig Tree/Sylvia Plath vibes. I think it's symbolic of how Doran has waited for so long for revenge, all his plans have failed one by one, and he is running out of time.
I've thought this same thing multiple times. It's not a simple issue, since it would have been a real David vs Goliath scenario and Doran is not stupid. There were far more reasons to do nothing than there were to act, the most glaring was the amount of power the STABL alliance had compared to Doran. Any scenario involving a war was one the Dornish would lose most spectacularly. If you ask me, that's why Doran spent so much time at the Water Gardens looking at the children. It was to remind himself how little chance he had UNLESS his plan was perfect. He has multiple possible plans, but none have borne true fruit, and those that might have were never harvested.
Had Dorne and the Reach been able to set aside their issues, the story might have been quite different, but there was just too much bad blood, and Doran has serious evidence to NEVER trust the Tyrells while Olenna is still alive. Forty thousand men is massive overkill to starve out a garrison of a few hundred graybeards at Storm's End while the true fight is happening elsewhere. That was deliberate. Had Willas become Lord Paramount, that might have changed, and I think Oberyn was setting up for that very thing given his relationship with the heir to Highgarden.
56 minutes?? On Rhoynar badassery? Inject this straight into my veins.
Someone tie this guys arm off
I have to wonder how Doran thinks either of Quentin or Arienne’s quests will work out. Why put both his children in such risk with so many foiled plots by Illyrio over the years?
Sending fugly Quentyn to court Daenerys w/Gerris Drinkwater, who seems to be one of the most handsome men in the story, kinda suggests Doran set Quent up to fail. Barristan says as much when he thinks about Dany making a different choice had Drinkwater been the prince.
You should watch Preston Jacob's theory videos about doran's plots. He goes waaay in depth. A little too much sometimes and seems to be stretching things but he's got good ideas
It would be so fucked up if he simply sees them as pawns (to be protected over others of course but still pawns)
Ashley of Naath That is a good point. I forgot Selmy’s thoughts on Q and Crew when they arrived.
Alex Arias Thanks, Alex. I know I have seen some of his videos, but I don’t think I have watched any of his Dorne vids.
Obama😆! The Sand Presidents. Obara's tale of when Oberyn came for her is one of my favorite snippets of dialogue. When Oberyn says "See, I told you she was mine" is such a great line. George gave us a very dynamic and impactful introduction to Oberyn, then continues to build on his character posthumously.
I may be biased, but I always saw the opposite. Given Oberyn's personality, we're supposed to like or admire him, but he deliberately slept with women he should not have and later returned to kidnap their daughters. For the older Sand Snakes, each had a mother who should otherwise have been off-limits. Ellaria was someone else's paramour Oberyn basically stole.
56 minutes? Damn! Great job guys.
There are interesting similarities between Doran + Oberyn and Tyrion + Jaime to be had, Doran and Tyrion are the scheming ones often overlooked for their contributions by society that values physical prowess, attractiveness, and sexual vigor (even if Jaime is supposed to be chaste, he represents "every maidens fantasy" of what a man should be). One is the head, the other the hand/brawn. The major difference, however, is that Tyrion is more ready to act on his schemes than Doran. Makes me want to compare where I think their stories are going, especially since Tyrion starts off interacting with a (very likely) black dragon--fAegon--but ends up with a red dragon--Dany whereas Doran starts off treating with a red dragon--Visyris and Dany--but looks to be joining with a black dragon--fAegon.
I also like the symbolism of Doran pressing the black dragon into Arianne's palm: he's pressing her to support a black dragon in fAegon, and we'll have to see how that goes for them. Unlike Tyrion, Arianne is not strategic with her dragon.
Nice catches.
Doran/Oberyn made me think Ned/Brandon to an extent, but I like your Tyrion/Jaime connection! That's a good one.
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Are you a fan of The Dragon Demands channel?
There's a recurring motif in Benioff's fiction about the nerdy kid and the older kid who teaches him how to be more cool.
It's quite similar to this pairing from GRRM.
why is no one making the following connection: black dragons = trueborn targaryen with valyrian features. red dragons = bastards and targaryens without valyrian features. the silk animal on the banber is only for maesters important.
@@janwouter5215 and brandon was brain amputeed. like neds buddy robert. strong as hell and without black pudding in the skull.
How has this become my favorite series on TH-cam?
Keep it up lads!
Arianne is an Amethyst Empress archetype: she perceived herself as disinherited even though she was the heir. I don't see her wanting to rule the seven kingdoms, though. Much as she's ambitious, her ambition is ruling Dorne, which is her birthright. I could see her making a deal with fAegon to secure her position as heir of Dorne, but I doubt that will be necessary since she seems to be acting as Doran's heir right now. They seem to have come to an agreement about her position. I tend to think her resentment of Quentyn as "king of Westeros" is a holdover of her resentment due to perceiving him as usurping her role as heir to Dorne. "First he was going to replace me as heir to Dorne, and now he gets to be KING of Westeros where he'll still have power over me? That's BS." So much of it is about him being younger but having power OVER her. At least that's how it reads to me; I could very well be wrong about her relationship with fAegon, though I hope not. I'm not a huge fan of Arianne/fAegon and will be annoyed if Martin goes that direction since I do feel like by the end of ADWD, she's learned her lesson about brooding pretty boys.
I agree, she's more interesting if she did learn her lesson
the amethyst empress was disinherited by violent death throught a brothers hand. i dont see those in ariane.
This was a fun reminder of how much I love the threads of the Dornish story in the books!
Thank you for acknowledging that what the show did to Dorne, and the Sand Snakes especially, was egregious and disgusting
Favorite video because I like Dorn a lot. Very resilient kingdom and always a threat. It gonna be interesting to see what becomes of Dorn and the Martell's because I see them getting hit hard with tragedy. It already started with Quentyn.
the tragedy started when elia was born a month to early and so no able to tame a dragon. especially a dragon of black wood full with wolves and ravens. and cold light. (i am speaking of rhaegar targaryen).
Glass candles. How these play into future plot lines is super interesting to me
Dany is gonna get one, because marywn is coming to help her and he had access to several.
Lucifer means Lightbringer That’s right! After Sam talked to Marwyn, Marwyn was like, “Thanks for the chat, I’m out!” then heads out for Dany. Marwyn’s such an odd character for the citadel in my opinion.
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We've met quite a few maverick maesters now.
Marwyn, Oberyn, Qyburn.
And they all seem to be linked with Doran.
Almost 1h of of winds of winter predictions by you guys? I couldn't have hoped for more. I read all the books again and tried to read between the lines like you but couldn't grasp half of what you can foresee in the words, that's what is so interesting in your videos. Kuddos, I love your channels and I'm so hyped for TWOW. Keep up the good work.
I am absolutely LOVING this barrage of content from LmL and Quinn. You guys are the best! The quality is top-notch, especially considering the super speed with which these videos are coming out.
I think Aegon came up to Storms End and smashed the remainder of the Tyrell host left there to keep the castle under siege, and then acted like they were fighting for Stannis. Pretty believable if you just killed his enemies and defended his home. Only to take charge the moment the castle opened its gates
Basically the same thing Ramsey did to theon
I was waiting ! Thank for lighting my quarantine. Life in Italy right now is a prison but more time for asoiaf!
stay safe!
Raro trovare un altro appassionato di questo capolavoro qua in Italia. Restiamo forti, ce la faremo, tra una rilettura e l'altra...
@Leonardo Cini vero ! Non trovo mai italiani nei commenti ma questo canale é stupendo. Migliora le mie giornate
@@janwouter5215 and germanys goverment pretend to do somerhing. merkels main political work: pretending to rule.
@@janwouter5215 the Dutch are appealing to reason. They overestimated or, underestimated their people. The answer lies in the middle. I have hope.
How I only discovered this channel a month ago still baffles me to no end
yeah you know TH-cam had that cone of silence over for a bit it seemed like, a bunch of new peeps are finding me lately. Well, the good news is that there's a *lot* of material to feast on if you dig it!
I never picked up on that "Blood Orange" analogy, but its fantastic. Gods, what great writing from GRRM.
First video of this series I've watched and its great! I love the quote from TWOIAF that compare Dorne to the North, as you pointed out the Wildlings and Iron Islands. I really think Dore and the North breeds the same type of person, in just totally different contexts. There is even the alter religion in both with the Orphans and the Old Gods, albeit it is a minority in the former, and the majority in the latter. Cool stuff, bud.
give us the long videos yes ❤️
Great sound effects!!! Spooky. Thanks for unraveling the Dornish plot with all the characters. It is a bit confusing.
I truly cant wait to hear you guys talk about Euron! I have kept up with this series so far and im really enjoying it. Good work fellas.
You guys are killing me with these. So good...
happy to be of service
I know the vid is old as hell but i appreciate the long form vids. I work 9-10 hours at night and i need the company lol. Thanks guys
Not me watching this on my 10h night shift rn😂😂
@@thequeenb5803 see? Lol we need it lol
You guys have a much different take on Doran than the Order of the Greenhand!
Theirs is pretty intresting too. I never looked at him that way
Reach armies and Storm's End is the best love story in Westeros
Love the video guys. It’s a nice easy watch that doesn’t distract me too much whilst I’m “working” from home... The thing I love about these videos is how nicely paced they are and it’s not easy to get lost and fall behind whilst multitasking unlike a lot of other TH-camrs’ ASoIaF videos which is throwing so much information down your throat and talking so quickly
Guys this series is great, I'll be sad when it's over.
I think you guys are under estimating one of the sand snakes, Elia sand, she's going to end up, seducing or at least sleeping with fAegon, potentially screwing everything up for Arianne.
She's closer to his age than Arianne is, plus Why else introduce another character this late in the game, another character who likes seducing men she's not supposed to.
Though, she may have just been going after feathers to gain information, which would makes her that much more dangerous & conniving. Definitely one to keep an eye on !
I first read your name as The Faithless Leprachaun, lol. Sadly, I was mistaken. That would have been sweet
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🤣 Honestly it's not that far off, I'm Irish af and a few of my friends used to call me a leprechaun when I was young, so no worries, it fits : )
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... And I think I know what to pick the next time I need to name a new video game character!
I know it's almost a year old comment but Also shes is a character arch type of.... Lyanna stark. A young brave girl who jousts? Yeah. Definitely gonna fall for the targ prince. History repeats
@@sarahconnor2129 great point!
Darkstar was probably the most interesting character in A Feast for Crows
I think he was Dorans spy. And he’s not really some enemy like he’s playing it
@@joshhoffman5233 I bet he didn't actually cut Myrcella/Rosamun.
Darkstar is an anime character
@@janwouter5215 Supporting character
@@gregaroivanalininovich9019 lol
them apologizing for an hour long video while i've been binging lml for days straight
:o
This is all heading to a tragic end. Despite all his talk about protecting the children and the innocent people of Dorne, those people will suffer for his ill-conceived plan of vengeance. Doran is not as smart as he thinks he is.
He sees what the right course of action is, and then chooses the wrong one.
Or you could say,
He's a prince.
Each cyvasse piece is used for the purpose it is least suited for. The Quentin plot was an epic disaster.
@@sleekoduck quentin was send to take one of danys dragons. quentins quest goal was never dany or some stupid marriage plots.
Summer children need to look up deeper dorne on Preston jacobs channel.
@@sleekoduck Look up the Dornish Master Plan on TH-cam, it breaks down that Doran's plan as proposed sucks, but that it actually goes much much deeper and part of that was intending Quentins quest to fail in order to subvert the House Yronwood.
Man o Man.... Thanks for this video so much !!! I love Doran and Dornish Plot.
Your observations were correct. Dornish Plot has some of the finest prose written in the series.
I think it is a Tragedy of Doran that his pieces don't think like him. Arianne needs her Dad's way of closely examining and reading the situation to protect herself from stepping in bad places. I don't see hope for Dorne... But the genius of Martin's way of Storytelling is that somehow.... Some part of Dorne's Soul will be saved because of Doran's Care up till now in the Story. But, I don't know how.
Darkstar will face Ser Balon Swann, Areo Hotah, and Obara. Areo might die protecting Ser Balon whilst Obara turns sides to Camp Darkstar and both go rogue and join Euron, I wonder.
Even Lady Nym and Tyene who are so self assured may find King's Landing a hostile setting with difficulty to protect themselves. I see Nym allying with Varys. Arianne with Young Griff, Nym with Varys. So, Dorne is ripe to fall to Black Dragon, Mummer's Dragon while Bran, Bloodraven, and Littlefinger independently work towards defeating them along with Queen Daenerys. Doran might not live to see the Final Outcome of all his lifelong austerity.
I love this Story !! ☺️👌✨✨
dont trust bloodraven. everything that is said about bastard nature is true in his character. on of georges motifs is stealing something.
my dinner was getting cold waiting for this video
I was hesitant to subscribe to this channel but you guys are knowledgeable and intellectual about what your talking about. I'm very impressed with your theories. Subscribed !!
Loving the 23 days of WOW! Thanks for exposing me to Quinn's channel. Working through his playlist - Dune too! I tried to make my first livestream comment yesterday - didn't work - but basically happy about this series & asking opinion about the recent Color Out of Space movie.
The Mountain vs the Viper is one of the greatest bait-n-switches of all time. Nearly perfectly translated to television. It left its mark on me
Doran is much more Dornish in his ways than Oberyn ever was. Oberyn is the unrealistic, mummer's viper, full of posture and vengence, giving a performance as a distraction. Doran is the real snake in the grass, the one you may not perceive or give it much credit because it is relatively small in size with seemingly no poison in its fangs. The one that is always scheming in the shadows, waiting patiently for the right moment to strike.
An onyx dragon piece is George saying Faegon is a black fire. Onyx is black, so Arriane gets a black dragon in her palm.
i like to watch these types of videos to delude myself into thinking winds of winter is going to be released
Really appreciate this look at the many faceted (much more so than I recalled) Dornish plotlines!
I agree with you about the toughness of people in some areas LmL. I've always thought The North - Wildlings included - The Iron Islands and The Dornish would make a great alliance. I've totally got that bookmarked for a random fanfic story if I ever get around to playing in the ASOIAF/GoT universe.
Great discussion gents; loving this series.
Threre have been a lot of WoW videos this week, maybe they know something we don't 👀
nope, just trying to will it into existence ;)
@@DavidLightbringer Hey man. Do you really think that Doran would send his son on this mission escorted by 'not their men'? I mean House Yronwood is their rival
Between you and Quinn, I am having a great time listening to new content every day!
Rhoynar. Rhoynar. Rhoynar on the river.
Great collaboration guys. I love it. The sky may be falling, but it ain't so bad with these to look forward to!
Great show guys! Thanks🏆
I remember back when I heard Arianne was heading to Aegon, I thought she would sleep with Jon Con, unknowingly get Grey Scale, and then be wed to Aegon. But now, years later, I’m more confident that Aegon, whether he is a Blackfyre, or a true Targaryen, I believe he is one of the three dragons, along with Dany and Jon.
This is favorite one yet! Keep it up fellas
I thoroughly enjoyed this one! Thanks, guys☺
Great video, great theories, but you didn't even mention that someone betrayed Arianne in her plot to crown Myrcella. I was eager to see what you had to say about that, because I think this betrayer is gonna come back to haunt her, if not to just press her into some kind of paranoia...
I think, in Winds of Winter, Ser Archibald is going to be really important. He is most likely a descendent of Ser Duncan the Tall, just look at the way his aversion to sailing to Slaver's Bay mirrored Ser Duncan's refusal to sail to the north. I'm honestly surprised no one else has mentioned this.
we've talked about his Dunkness, what do you think he'll do? I think he might turn on JonCon and toss him down a well, like Dunk tossed Alyn Cockshaw down a well
It was really good to see Quinn enjoying Dorne
This series is really great you guys! 😊
That was just excellent, thank you.
Quinn is back on his game !!!! Nice. Great vid thankyou !!! Lovin' it! I'm about to partreon to both of you !!Next pay it's done !!!!
Oh no please don't toss any coins to your TH-camrs, o viewer of (relative) plenty! No telling what we might do, what evil we might unlock...
:) Thanks and glad you are enjoying the series!
Arianne as well as the Snakes, with Doran being the puppet-master are the mirror to Tywin and his handling of his brood
i was waiting all day for this
Awesome topic and video ty! When LML introduced the sand snakes I got Kill Bill vibes lol
Hi LML (and Quinn!) I've been a fan of Quinn's work for some time, and have now subbed to Your channel. Thank's for all Your hard work Guy's..oh, and Greeting's from Scotland too! Slange!
Needing more dual content from you two
Faegon might reject marrying Arianne to save his hand for Daenerys
that would mean "Dragon" for him
I was hoping George might use Arianne-fAegon-Sansa to retell Elia-Rhaegar-Lyanna. Though maybe not because, you know, Bran could just show us lol.
@@janwouter5215 before the red wedding most people said grrm would clearly ste up a joffrey-robb confrontation in kings landing.
George does not write as most people expect.
and he did not set up anything for dany and aegon until now
@@Rakonax i believe he mentioned in an interview the Dance of Dragons 2.0
Plus, Dany's visions, combined with Quathie's warning about the mumer's dragon, are hints that she will probably be involved in a conflict with fAegon
@@TheaTheGenius visions can be wrong entirely, or is rhaego alive, that he could be leading the dothraki in the future.
Nothing is set in stone until the book arrives, especially with martin being martin.
and when you look at the theories that were popular before the other books came out, you will see the most popular theories were all wrong, and i doubt this will change with twow
The best Tag Team since Undertaker and Kane: Quinn & LmL
*Prince consort. He can't be called King cause the throne is hers. Also wait until she finds out Faegon isn't the heir either, it's Jon. 🤣🤣🤣
I thought you were gonna talk about it but since you didn't I'll let the question open for the whole Internet:
What do you think is little Elia Sand up to? You know, the 14 year old who seems as reckless as her dad and is now with Arianne in her way to fAegon and is flirting with the ravens guy? Is she working on her own? Is she working in behalf of her older sisters? Or is Ellaria Sand planning something? To me she's a very suspicious wild card there...
Great video anyway!
I think she's working with Ellaria. She seems to have weirdly left the plot recently.
As a Mexican, I relate so much to the Dornish and Rhoynar culture. A lot of people think it parallels to the Middle East,but I disagree. Dornish people are described much like meso-Mexicans, the foods are almost identical, the landscape, we even have a snake on our flag. Dorne is such an interesting storyline and I can’t wait to see to see Dorans plan unfold. Unbowed, Unbent, and Unbroken.
i would say they're based off medieval spain, muslim caliphate times or just post. there lies the similarities to mexican with the Spanish influence, and people thinking about middle east, because they're culturallly interwoven.
@@jamesgjbrown funny now that u mentioned it i only realize theres probably more drama in the iberian peninsula during the caliphate rule than the war of the roses.
As a Russian, I see lots of similarities with the Dornish. I know people say that they are probably based on Al-Andalus aka the Muslim ruled Iberian Peninsula and Middle East during the golden age of Islam but people always call us Russians snakes. And we are impossible to conquer no matter how many troops and planes and tanks you attack us with.
@@JohnTorres1987 LOL my brother told me about how the Russians ate German soldier’s cheeks. He’s a huge history guy. He was just like they ate their cheeks! I could be wrong but your comment reminded me of that story he told me.
California is the weaterlands, florida is the storm lands, mexico is dorne, canada is the north, missipi river delta is the riverlands, cuba is dragonstone, hawiaa islands are the iron islands, the midwest is the reach, new york city is kings landing, colorado is the eyrie,
Could it be that Obara stabs Aero in the back while he is fighting Darkstar and together they slay Swan?
Yea. I don’t think she cares that dark star is accused of harming Myrcella.
I think they have to get back, they’re the only ones that can remember the Dornish misAdventure
That is the cutes puppy! Love you predictions
the sand snakes are really azula, mai, and tai lee
I think Doran has something up his sleeve that no one has predicted. I just can't see any of the moves he's making overtly paying off in a significant way. Aleras, however, is another story.
56 mins thank you bruv
Arianne read from Arianne's cyvasse games, that she's just not a good tactican. If you're playing chess just with your queen, you'll probably miss something, get rid of your queen and so you'll loose the game. If cyvasse works similar, then you got some interesting foreshadowing here.
One big key difference between the books and the TV Series is definatly Dorne in which book Doran is cooking his revenge against the Lannisters while in TV Series he was portrayed as the shittiest leader who made peace with the Lannisters
and doran isnt truly out for justice for elia, rhaenys and aegon. even not revenge. he wants separate dorne from the iron throne. no targaryen king is ruling so doran thinks the time had come to turn back the wheel of time. to restore westeros of old. where 7 kingdoms laid in endless quarrel war and injustice. where those blood sacrifice kept the white walkers asleep. and the others arent evil.
i live in a high desert and we do have grass here - i know Dorne is a sandy desert also, but there’s definitely many kinds of desert! i agree that the show didn’t go as hard as they could have but as a desert-lover i always wanna talk about the variance in the biome lmao
Dark...mysterious....mood music...AWW, PUPPY!!...back to dark....mysterious XD
It's videos like these that are pushing me more and more to read the books. And treat the HBO show, as much as I like it, as an alternate timeline. The books are the prime timeline of events. With that I've made my peace with the show (more or less, Season 8 is bitter still in my mouth, stunning visuals aside). So yeah, that's my two cents.
So many layers to this facet of the tapestry. Obviously Doran is playing 4D chess and I can't wait to read about his endgame.
Quinn just hold the puppy during the entire video. Hell, just post a video of your puppy playing for 10 minutes. I'd watch it.
I really think Arianne was sent on a fool's errand.
Love this series but this episode has been hands down my favorite and Dorne is my least favorite kingdom but you guys hyped it up so much it might be my second favorite now after the north of course lol... speaking of the north I know it’s been speculated to death but is this series going to go North and to the Wall? I’d love to hear some interesting takes for TWOW from that area and the river lands as well!!!
We have two riverlands episodes coming, and either five or six in the North, can't recall off the top of my head. :) As far as Dorne, I think their Collective story loses a little bit of impact because it's spread around so much, and it comes in the last two books which are full of new characters and small details to keep track of. When you put it all together in one place you can kind of see what's going on, and the sand snakes in particular look like they are set up to do some cool stuff. :) Glad we got you hyped!
LML yeah and by the time we finally get south in the books we have already fallen in love with so many characters but have watched so many “favorites” die it’s hard for them to measure up to other characters we already know more intimately. And the Red Viper set the bar really high for beloved southern characters it’s hard to find other favorites to get behind because then (at least I did this lol) when you are reading about Quentin all you think is “this dude is no viper” lol anyways thanks for the videos
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The Rhoynar are the Empire of the Dawn and appear in GRRM's first novel (Dying of the Light). They are important to the ending. So great to finally see a video on them!
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they had been part of the empire od dawn. like yi ti, leng, asshai, stygai, ghis and and sheep loving valyria.
Have you guys considered making a dedicated channel for co-streaming?
Something like "Lucifer meets Quinn's Ideas
I think that Darkstar is actually in on the plot with Doran, and that Balon Swann and any other Kingslanders will die... the wording around what actually happened in the incident with Myrcella is unclear (as it should be) and Darkstar was blamed for her injury and was able to flee, and he conveniently retreats to a well-defended place. Doran says "we dare not defy Kings Landing openly" but that just means he has to be sneaky, and Obara (who wants bloody revenge) taking Balon Swann et al on a wild goose chase for Darkstar is a perfect way to whittle them down
and balon swann will share the fate of the poor ducks in the hole asoiaf series. killed by outlaws.
Just a heads up, the quotes in 27:00 and 29:00 got switched!
Yeah I saw that. Not too much we can do now, c'est la vie.
@@DavidLightbringer Does anyone remember the times when TH-cam allowed creators to make annotations over their videos after posting them? Good times
You guys are killing it!
House Martell may be the storyline that I'm waiting for more.