Find our main channel here: th-cam.com/users/gamersnexus Watch our EVGA Unsung Heroes interview: th-cam.com/video/OniFkDc8Btw/w-d-xo.html Watch our video with Amit Mehra on the origins of Zen: th-cam.com/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/w-d-xo.html Watch our AMD lab tour documentary: th-cam.com/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/w-d-xo.html
Why not ask why they didn't continue Phenom? Why didn't they cancel Bulldozer when early performance numbers came out? Was is Hector Ruiz his fault? Also the Jaguar CPU's were very successful. Why not talk about those aswell? Because that success saved AMD due to the Consoles.
Steve if you only knew how important these videos will be 20-30-40 years down the road. All of these interviews will be looked at in the future like "this is where we came from, this is part of the CPU history".
I can only hope that giving the right people the platform to speak on their experience will be useful to others in the same way interviews of 3dfx, early NVIDIA and Intel, and others have been useful to our team for learning!
@@gnextras imagine having equivalent talks with Jay Miner and his team from the 80s explaining stuff about Atari8bit and Amiga chipsets! Those talks will be priceless in the future.
I've been getting out on the bike a lot more this year (finally, after 2-3 years of being slammed). Was considering recording more of it again, but not sure yet!
could have sworn jim keller legit admitted he invented ryzen for AMD. because the timeframe matches up. he went to amd. bulldozer was failing. he made zen. and then left amd and like a year later ryzen launches first generation. from my sources, jim keller made ryzen, but it was arm based. and amd didn't wanna go all in on arm. so they adopted the zen design for x86-64 and that's what we got.
@@goblinphreak2132He said in the video Keller came in but let's not pretend one person is responsible. Keller has specific skill sets that surely allowed Zen to be possible but he doesn't do everything. He's the special ops guy you bring in heading into uncharted territory who doesn't play well with others but he'll keep you alive.
I thought Keller bootstrapped the entire thing although he didn't do it all himself, but often companies hire in top consultants to get things back on track and set the ship right, this happens in software too, some companies run nearly exclusively with contractors or consultants
About 2 years ago I discovered a show called "The Computer Chronicles" hosted by Stewart Cheifet that ran from the 80s right up to the early 2000s, cataloging some of the most interesting time in the explosive growth of the computing industry, and some interviews with very important people of the time (and some even still now). Interviews like this are so important, and especially for Zen, the architecture that turned it around for AMD. Thank you Steve and the GN crew!
I'm still rocking the 1700X. Great CPU, decent platform, its come a long way. OG zen could barely hit 4ghz, and ddr4 support was only 3000mhz but it was a solid product for 2017. Soon I'll be upgrading to zen3. Also its insane to think about a CPU platform lasting 8 years! AMD was super generous with their AM4 socket which makes for a fantastic budget minded system. 5800X3D and DDR4... You could easily build a monster machine for $500/$600 that would wipe the floor with the PS5 PRO.
Hah nice to see some folks still have their original ZEN 1 parts... Back in 2016 the tech world started talking about the upcoming Zen, and i said to the idiot intel femboys that, Zen will be future Legend (i did base my prediction on Jim Keller mostly and his back record), and all i got was laughed on, and most said ZEN will be another FAILdozer and stuff... fast forward to 2017 and ZEN launch, everyone was shocked ZEN was actually really good, (tho IPC level was Broadwell at the time), i was clever enough to sell few months early my AM3+ parts with FX-8350, so i jumped a month or 2 to the AM4 bandwagon with Ryzen 1700 (lost the silicone lottery the chip was not even stable at 3.9GHz, and could not post on 4GHz hah) and highest end Aorus x370 K7 (still have this damn board, still runs rock solid) mobo.... Few years later i moved to Ryzen 3700x, then few years later i moved to now Ryzen 5800x3D, great upgrades... Also had with 1700x, Radeon RX580 8GB, that i sold to miners in late 2021 for double the prices, so that i can upgrade in early 2023 to Radeon 6800XT, and using in the mean time Radeon R9 290, that had about the same performance as the RX580... AMD did not want to give us the x370 first gen mobos microcode update, so we can use ZEN 3 parts on the first gen boards, but they changed that, it was annoying that they did that, but it did not affect me... Only downside of using x370 board with ZEN 3 is you lose PCEex 4.0 support, and that results in 5% lower GPU performance, like 10 FPS, not huge deal but still that is performance left on the table...
Started using AMD after Cyrix "died" . From the Athlon Thunderbird, to a Sempron, and then a Phenom 9550, Phenom II x4 965, FX 8320, Ryzen 2 2600, Ryzen 3 3300X, Athlon 3000G (serving as my parents' HTPC) , Ryzen 5 5600 (in my 2nd rig now) and then finally a Ryzen 7 5800x3d (jumping to Zen 5 when the X3d parts are out and MS works out the kinks in their rubbish OS). Obviously I am a AMD man for both CPUs and GPUs. When I was a kid, my parents couldn't afford Intel, and AMD (and Cyrix) were there to save the day. Wonderful memories of using these cpus, and am grateful for them both. Now that I could afford the best from AMD, Intel or Nvidia, I would still go full AMD.
I am not an AMD fanboy or any other corporation's fan but some credit must be given to the people of AMD.... I am using and building computers since early 2000s and watching the news of the industry as close as I can, I never encounter such an open approach of a company to talk about technical details, open their lab doors and let its engineers, scientists and designers talk directly to media about the products and tell stories of the development and work of the past days, show prototypes, I mean it is so far away from the competitors' approaches that always use PR department people talking marketing bullshit and nothing about the real important events and just showing favourable slide shows and also thanking Steve all the time (that is the positive side)... Well done AMD and thank you for being so open to us and played your head with Ryzen otherwise we would have still paying 600€ for a 4core CPU with hyperthreading at 3 Ghz turbo in 2024.
Now a few year on, if the x86 ISA lost its market competition I estimate ARM and RISC-V are finally in a development position to scoop up a lot of the market slack and provide indirect competition followed by accelerated development focused on the tasks being performed by x86. That wasn't the case in 2015 for sure. Even if they had a powerhouse ARM or RISC-V back then the legacy-software side was still very attached to x86 on the heals of Window's peak dominance (and Windows its self being programmed specifically for Intel x86 hardware). But a lot of software has become much more portable since then as the importance of diversifying for risk managment is considered, along with the increased availability of non-x86 processors.
Pretty sure Jim Keller had a pretty big hand into Ryzen if not the 3D Chiplet approach, I would love to see an interview with him as well. Pretty cool that you got the interview with Mike Clark, guy got to put his name in the history books with Zen which has been a massive success story with incredible scaling.
there's a really good interview that Jim did years ago that's worth watching if you're able to find it. the 3D chiplet approach isn't new but they were the first ones to make it work. it was a concept being thrown around probably 20-25 years ago aimed at trying to find ways to add more cores to processors but wasn't a feasible option with manufacturing tech at the time. if it was a possibility AMD already had all the building blocks to make it work with their hypertransport which is what infinity fabric is based on.
There's also another interview of Jim somewhere, he says that he's there to enable the team to get the job done, and that the idea was from someone in AMD, as this interview points out, they needed to start a blank sheet design, and Jim probably convinced upper management to do it. The 3D zen CCD is a L3 cache die on top of the CPU die using TSV (Through-silicon via), it is not the same technology as the "chiplet" that allows multiple CCD's to communicate with each other and the memory controller on it's own die to be manufactured on a separate process, potentially by a different company, the later is pretty similar to how old CPUs use to have the memory controller in the north-bridge on the motherboard. I would also gamble that Jim had zero influence over the "3D" part of the design, that required TSMC to actually do TSV for general purpose chips, and not really inside AMD's control, I don't think TSMC were talking about layered designs for general purpose chips till about 2020, previously it was all HBM memory.
I love people like this. So unassuming yet a certified genius. I recently met a person who had a lot to do with the JWST project & he was just a normal, older, nerdy type dude. And he was terrifyingly intelligent. You never know who you're talking to.
I'm still very sad the FX-8350 got so successfully defamed by the various benchmarks/marketing efforts and I think a really solid performer that was ahead of its time was left as a bad legacy it doesn't deserve. I know why AMD had to move forward and how important a fresh start was, but at the same time, I feel like all the guys who made some of those old parts deserve at least a little bit of credit for making a real price/performance choice - mine handled all I threw at it for years on end, nearly a decade.
Great interview. I'd only read about Mike Clark, but never seen an interview with him. It's nice to hear his thoughts on coming up with Zen and what it meant to the company.
now you know why they don't like letting engineers talk to the media/public, lol. want 95% of the truth, go to the engineer's. want a bologna sandwich, go to the PR team.
This is literally content I know I've wanted since before Zen existed. Thank you! I always craved knowing what the former underdog was doing. How they did. How were they in this competitive space. What was their process? Their challenges. Love, love, love, learning about these folks in industry. Thank you!
This type of video is amazing, seeing the people behind the tech, listening to the challanges and problems tha happened during development, helps also dismistify the products
G'day Steve & Mike C, While they do not perform well enough for the main channel I❤these BTS informal chats, so thanks for getting back to uploading Engineers videos here
Shame this isn't on the main channel, it's a lowkey interview but stuff like this and Lex Friedman's interviews with Jim Keller offer fascinating insights to us enthusiasts, Thanks Steve for recording this esoteric history!
Thankyou to ZenDaddy and his hard working but optimistic team for bringing Ryxen to the market. I have 3-4 Zen Cpus in my pc builds at home, just added a 5700X3D to the collection! Thankyou for your service! 😂👍
just a quick question: Why is the intro logo blue? I mean, the channel logo is green, and in the previous videos, the intro logo was also green. My personal preference would be the colors shifted to green instead of blue.
We're going to stick with green on this channel. The reason is pretty boring: I couldn't find the file for the green logo because it'd been so long! We'll get it in for the next one as the right people are at work this week to locate it.
@GamersNexus To be fair, with all the shenanigans around both Intel and AMD around microcode, Windows versions etc, I can understand why GN are waiting for things to stabilise before retesting. Also, even if the Intel microcode does make things more stable for now, will any existing damage to the chips just get worse through normal wear and tear until failure? There's a good argument to not bother with retesting 13th and 14th Gen entirely.
I still have an operational Bulldozer machine: a 2014-era HP laptop running an A10-8750 (I think). Originally bought it because the A10 APU brought _WAY_ better graphics performance than any Intel laptop parts of the era, particularly at the ~$600 price point I bought the laptop at. It remains in service as a second machine I only ever use when traveling. I do wonder if I might have made a different decision if I had known Ryzen was coming down the pipe back then, but I guess that's true for anyone that bought Bulldozer. Thanks for the interview!
Yay, extras relaunch, I expect to see the following... Computer industry meme collections Trail talks exclusive featuring Kingpin Behind the scenes D&D lore rants mid review An excessively in depth discussion of why cats like computers Visionary projections on the computer industry Random Wendell appearances GN Team talks about their video game history or something like that.
If you're able to track down the original team that was responsible for the AMD Opteron, some of those guys were originally on the DEC Alpha team, and some of the ideas found its way into said AMD Opteron line. It would be interesting to listen to the stories about the history of Opteron/Athlon, and then how/why Bulldozer/Piledriver didn't do well, which led to Zen.
@@lilnapkin462 Some of the concepts that the DEC Alpha team had WAYYYY back in the day, were so far ahead of its time, that you can only really fully realise this ex post facto.
This was super fun, even in light of Zen 5 not hitting that double-digits that they're known for. It's a good reminder that there's just people behind these products. They're doing what they can, and it seems like their ethos is at least respectable. And hey, maybe every once in a while they don't quite make it, but if they don't, I'm sure they learned a lot and it doesn't sound like they're happy to play it safe. Very cool interview, thanks Steve (and crew).
It becomes so easy to depersonalise everything and label the product with the brand, but we forget there's people behind it putting everything they have into making these products, dedicating many hours of their lives for the end consumer, so I personally appreciate content like this. Brilliant work to all of you at GN.
Lovely guy. Back in the days, I had a phenom 2 x4. Jumped straight to a ryzen 3600. Still have it. First cpu, my family bought for me a pentium 3 from intel.😂 Lovely days
I still use that 14nm Ryzen the 2nd slowest ever, the Ryzen 3 2200G (4C4T; 3.7GHz). It has 16GB DDR4 (3000MHz); 512GB nvme (3400/2300MB/s); 2TB HDD with a 128GB SSD as cache (L2ARC). It runs a minimal install of Ubuntu with OpenZFS and VirtualBox. All the Apps run in the VMs. Interesting older VMs I use almost daily are Windows XP Home and Ubuntu 16.04 ESM. In 2019 the system could run 2 of the latest Windows VMs or 4 Linux VMs, but it is getting more difficult. As a true Dutchman I upgrade this month to a Ryzen 5 5500GT ($103; 3x 2200G speed). I reuse the 2200G CPU cooler :). Next month I also upgrade the memory to 32GB, because 16GB gets more cramped every year. Besides close to 80 I get too lazy to mentally re-estimate memory allocation, every time I want to start another VM. Note the system is still responsive, because it runs 98% of all disk IO from the memory cache (L1ARC, max 4GB; lz4 compressed). I have all Windows releases in a VM from 1987 Windows 1.04 to now Windows 11 Pro and I have all Ubuntu LTS releases from 6.06 to 24.04 and I added Ubuntu 4.10, 5.04 (the first and my first) and 24.10, the 20 year's anniversary edition of Ubuntu.
Wasn't Jim Keller the father of Zen? (BTW, you need to interview him, he was behind the K7/8 architectures [Athlon/Athlon 64] and the first custom Apple Silicon chips [A4/A5] which are all legendary CPUs)
He brought it up fairly clearly in the last video, with the link easily visible in the 'show more' box below. That's how I ended up here. Now I'm subbed, so no danger of missing anything new.
Find our main channel here: th-cam.com/users/gamersnexus
Watch our EVGA Unsung Heroes interview: th-cam.com/video/OniFkDc8Btw/w-d-xo.html
Watch our video with Amit Mehra on the origins of Zen: th-cam.com/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/w-d-xo.html
Watch our AMD lab tour documentary: th-cam.com/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/w-d-xo.html
Your main channel?? Never heard of it.
Why not ask why they didn't continue Phenom? Why didn't they cancel Bulldozer when early performance numbers came out? Was is Hector Ruiz his fault?
Also the Jaguar CPU's were very successful. Why not talk about those aswell? Because that success saved AMD due to the Consoles.
Steve if you only knew how important these videos will be 20-30-40 years down the road. All of these interviews will be looked at in the future like "this is where we came from, this is part of the CPU history".
I can only hope that giving the right people the platform to speak on their experience will be useful to others in the same way interviews of 3dfx, early NVIDIA and Intel, and others have been useful to our team for learning!
I would add DEC Alpha to the mix.
@@gnextras imagine having equivalent talks with Jay Miner and his team from the 80s explaining stuff about Atari8bit and Amiga chipsets! Those talks will be priceless in the future.
Not really. We're at the computational limit of every physical medium we have. We're at the end of processor creation technology.
welcome back, still miss the bike trail talks
I've been getting out on the bike a lot more this year (finally, after 2-3 years of being slammed). Was considering recording more of it again, but not sure yet!
@@gnextrasmaybe combine those trail videos with unfiltered rants?
@@DudummeskindI would love biking Louis Rossmann
@@gnextras Do it!
@@Mpdarkguy Louis used to do that when he lived in NYC. Those were the good old days haha. Steve doing it would be *chefs kiss*
Tech Jesus & Zen Daddy... *chefs kiss* *perfection*
Tech Metal Jesus
:0 this channel lives!!
A Jim Keller interview is all we need now. Appreciate the video, Steve & Co!
could have sworn jim keller legit admitted he invented ryzen for AMD. because the timeframe matches up. he went to amd. bulldozer was failing. he made zen. and then left amd and like a year later ryzen launches first generation. from my sources, jim keller made ryzen, but it was arm based. and amd didn't wanna go all in on arm. so they adopted the zen design for x86-64 and that's what we got.
Jim Keller is currently developing Tenstorrent. Unless GN wants to cover about tenstorrent, I don't think Jim Keller is willing to be interviewed.
@@goblinphreak2132He said in the video Keller came in but let's not pretend one person is responsible. Keller has specific skill sets that surely allowed Zen to be possible but he doesn't do everything. He's the special ops guy you bring in heading into uncharted territory who doesn't play well with others but he'll keep you alive.
@@JJFX- "they needed keller to make it possible" so then hes the father of zen. Thanks for agreeing with me idiot.
I thought Keller bootstrapped the entire thing although he didn't do it all himself, but often companies hire in top consultants to get things back on track and set the ship right, this happens in software too, some companies run nearly exclusively with contractors or consultants
I think The Zenfather is a far more slick name than the other two.
That's some Viking Samurai shit right there.
About 2 years ago I discovered a show called "The Computer Chronicles" hosted by Stewart Cheifet that ran from the 80s right up to the early 2000s, cataloging some of the most interesting time in the explosive growth of the computing industry, and some interviews with very important people of the time (and some even still now).
Interviews like this are so important, and especially for Zen, the architecture that turned it around for AMD. Thank you Steve and the GN crew!
I'm still rocking the 1700X. Great CPU, decent platform, its come a long way. OG zen could barely hit 4ghz, and ddr4 support was only 3000mhz but it was a solid product for 2017.
Soon I'll be upgrading to zen3.
Also its insane to think about a CPU platform lasting 8 years!
AMD was super generous with their AM4 socket which makes for a fantastic budget minded system. 5800X3D and DDR4... You could easily build a monster machine for $500/$600 that would wipe the floor with the PS5 PRO.
Hah nice to see some folks still have their original ZEN 1 parts... Back in 2016 the tech world started talking about the upcoming Zen, and i said to the idiot intel femboys that, Zen will be future Legend (i did base my prediction on Jim Keller mostly and his back record), and all i got was laughed on, and most said ZEN will be another FAILdozer and stuff... fast forward to 2017 and ZEN launch, everyone was shocked ZEN was actually really good, (tho IPC level was Broadwell at the time), i was clever enough to sell few months early my AM3+ parts with FX-8350, so i jumped a month or 2 to the AM4 bandwagon with Ryzen 1700 (lost the silicone lottery the chip was not even stable at 3.9GHz, and could not post on 4GHz hah) and highest end Aorus x370 K7 (still have this damn board, still runs rock solid) mobo.... Few years later i moved to Ryzen 3700x, then few years later i moved to now Ryzen 5800x3D, great upgrades... Also had with 1700x, Radeon RX580 8GB, that i sold to miners in late 2021 for double the prices, so that i can upgrade in early 2023 to Radeon 6800XT, and using in the mean time Radeon R9 290, that had about the same performance as the RX580...
AMD did not want to give us the x370 first gen mobos microcode update, so we can use ZEN 3 parts on the first gen boards, but they changed that, it was annoying that they did that, but it did not affect me... Only downside of using x370 board with ZEN 3 is you lose PCEex 4.0 support, and that results in 5% lower GPU performance, like 10 FPS, not huge deal but still that is performance left on the table...
Started using AMD after Cyrix "died" . From the Athlon Thunderbird, to a Sempron, and then a Phenom 9550, Phenom II x4 965, FX 8320, Ryzen 2 2600, Ryzen 3 3300X, Athlon 3000G (serving as my parents' HTPC) , Ryzen 5 5600 (in my 2nd rig now) and then finally a Ryzen 7 5800x3d (jumping to Zen 5 when the X3d parts are out and MS works out the kinks in their rubbish OS). Obviously I am a AMD man for both CPUs and GPUs. When I was a kid, my parents couldn't afford Intel, and AMD (and Cyrix) were there to save the day. Wonderful memories of using these cpus, and am grateful for them both. Now that I could afford the best from AMD, Intel or Nvidia, I would still go full AMD.
I am not an AMD fanboy or any other corporation's fan but some credit must be given to the people of AMD....
I am using and building computers since early 2000s and watching the news of the industry as close as I can, I never encounter such an open approach of a company to talk about technical details, open their lab doors and let its engineers, scientists and designers talk directly to media about the products and tell stories of the development and work of the past days, show prototypes, I mean it is so far away from the competitors' approaches that always use PR department people talking marketing bullshit and nothing about the real important events and just showing favourable slide shows and also thanking Steve all the time (that is the positive side)...
Well done AMD and thank you for being so open to us and played your head with Ryzen otherwise we would have still paying 600€ for a 4core CPU with hyperthreading at 3 Ghz turbo in 2024.
Well said friend.
AMD has always been the daring one. Sometimes it has panned out and sometimes not. But they're never boring.
Now a few year on, if the x86 ISA lost its market competition I estimate ARM and RISC-V are finally in a development position to scoop up a lot of the market slack and provide indirect competition followed by accelerated development focused on the tasks being performed by x86.
That wasn't the case in 2015 for sure. Even if they had a powerhouse ARM or RISC-V back then the legacy-software side was still very attached to x86 on the heals of Window's peak dominance (and Windows its self being programmed specifically for Intel x86 hardware).
But a lot of software has become much more portable since then as the importance of diversifying for risk managment is considered, along with the increased availability of non-x86 processors.
@@mytech6779 arm is not that power efficient, Ryzen hx370 is on par with Snapdragon x elite
@@Vlad-jy9ls What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Definitely link this video on the main channel as a community post!
Welcome back to your channel I guess^^
He said growth 3 times lol. Sounds like a really chill guy. Love these types of videos where we see the people behind the tech we love.
Pretty sure Jim Keller had a pretty big hand into Ryzen if not the 3D Chiplet approach, I would love to see an interview with him as well. Pretty cool that you got the interview with Mike Clark, guy got to put his name in the history books with Zen which has been a massive success story with incredible scaling.
there's a really good interview that Jim did years ago that's worth watching if you're able to find it. the 3D chiplet approach isn't new but they were the first ones to make it work. it was a concept being thrown around probably 20-25 years ago aimed at trying to find ways to add more cores to processors but wasn't a feasible option with manufacturing tech at the time. if it was a possibility AMD already had all the building blocks to make it work with their hypertransport which is what infinity fabric is based on.
There's also another interview of Jim somewhere, he says that he's there to enable the team to get the job done, and that the idea was from someone in AMD, as this interview points out, they needed to start a blank sheet design, and Jim probably convinced upper management to do it.
The 3D zen CCD is a L3 cache die on top of the CPU die using TSV (Through-silicon via), it is not the same technology as the "chiplet" that allows multiple CCD's to communicate with each other and the memory controller on it's own die to be manufactured on a separate process, potentially by a different company, the later is pretty similar to how old CPUs use to have the memory controller in the north-bridge on the motherboard.
I would also gamble that Jim had zero influence over the "3D" part of the design, that required TSMC to actually do TSV for general purpose chips, and not really inside AMD's control, I don't think TSMC were talking about layered designs for general purpose chips till about 2020, previously it was all HBM memory.
Tech Jesus + Zen Daddy.🤘
Surprised he said the B word.
(PS: Love this format.)
I love these kind of videos where you can see behind the curtains. Thank you, GN.
I love people like this. So unassuming yet a certified genius. I recently met a person who had a lot to do with the JWST project & he was just a normal, older, nerdy type dude. And he was terrifyingly intelligent. You never know who you're talking to.
Bought a 2600X back in 2018 for my first PC build. Now rocking a 5800X3D (on that same motherboard), it's been incredible all this time.
Thank for listening and feeling what your customers need
AMD seems like a great place to be internally. Thank you for giving us this peek inside, Steve.
Find yourself somebody that looks at you the way Steve looks at Mike 😄
I love the fact that the staff read the comments, and answers our questions.
Keep doing the good work
I'm still very sad the FX-8350 got so successfully defamed by the various benchmarks/marketing efforts and I think a really solid performer that was ahead of its time was left as a bad legacy it doesn't deserve.
I know why AMD had to move forward and how important a fresh start was, but at the same time, I feel like all the guys who made some of those old parts deserve at least a little bit of credit for making a real price/performance choice - mine handled all I threw at it for years on end, nearly a decade.
Great interview. I'd only read about Mike Clark, but never seen an interview with him. It's nice to hear his thoughts on coming up with Zen and what it meant to the company.
Guy clearly didn't take the advanced PR class. This was raw. And super sympathetic.
Thank you for the interview!
What it should be then?
More technical stuff?
@@ckngmad1357 No, I think he said that as a compliment.
now you know why they don't like letting engineers talk to the media/public, lol. want 95% of the truth, go to the engineer's. want a bologna sandwich, go to the PR team.
Awesome. It’s so interesting to see the people and thought processes behind the technology we all use on a daily basis.
This is literally content I know I've wanted since before Zen existed. Thank you!
I always craved knowing what the former underdog was doing. How they did. How were they in this competitive space. What was their process? Their challenges.
Love, love, love, learning about these folks in industry. Thank you!
you did great.
THANKS FOR LISTENING
toms hardware ama back in 2012.
This type of video is amazing, seeing the people behind the tech, listening to the challanges and problems tha happened during development, helps also dismistify the products
Interesting. Thanks, nice to hear people behind tech like that. How relatable is this person… i like this ‘behind the scenes’.
I had no idea this channel even existed. You are now +1 sub. :)
Always good to put a face on the tech that we use on a daily basis!. Subbed.
My first PC build was an AMD Phenom II, second was the bulldozer FX 8350, loved that cpu, overclocked hard too
GN Extras videos matter !!!
This is the work I want to see!!!!! Thank you very much! We want more question, more story, well done Guys
G'day Steve & Mike C,
While they do not perform well enough for the main channel I❤these BTS informal chats, so thanks for getting back to uploading Engineers videos here
Shame this isn't on the main channel, it's a lowkey interview but stuff like this and Lex Friedman's interviews with Jim Keller offer fascinating insights to us enthusiasts, Thanks Steve for recording this esoteric history!
I like AMD I use Buldozer also AMD phenom and now zen 7800x3d. I love amd
Bro!!! I love this, so educational and cool at the same time. Keep on doing this GN!!!!
Thankyou to ZenDaddy and his hard working but optimistic team for bringing Ryxen to the market. I have 3-4 Zen Cpus in my pc builds at home, just added a 5700X3D to the collection! Thankyou for your service! 😂👍
Can't go wrong with more GN videos, especially really interesting stuff like this.
Great to hear these insights from the people themselves, thanks Steve and Mike.
Nothing will compete with the name "CERTIFIED SHIT WRECKER" for Jim Keller.
Awesome content!
just a quick question: Why is the intro logo blue? I mean, the channel logo is green, and in the previous videos, the intro logo was also green.
My personal preference would be the colors shifted to green instead of blue.
We're going to stick with green on this channel. The reason is pretty boring: I couldn't find the file for the green logo because it'd been so long! We'll get it in for the next one as the right people are at work this week to locate it.
@@gnextras phew, thanks, and thanks for letting me know. All good!
Now where is the red channel to complete the holy color trinity? 😅
I noticed this detail as well. I don't know why I feel so strongly about it, but I'm also glad to hear that the green intro will be back! lol
@@bernds6587Blue = Hardware Reviews
Green = Documentary & Interviews
Red = OS or Software? :-)
Great interview - he’s definitely dropping hints on Zen 5 being a foundation for progress in the future..
Great interview, love seeing these tech conversations
happy to see extras return. let’s see the logo stinger rendered in green
I just LOVE videos like this. It is such a breath of fresh air in the PC industry.
Are you planning on making a video about the microcode update for 13th/14th gen intel? Many of us have been waiting on that.
Yeah. We said we are. Just waiting a little longer for them to finalize the version in the pipe.
@GamersNexus To be fair, with all the shenanigans around both Intel and AMD around microcode, Windows versions etc, I can understand why GN are waiting for things to stabilise before retesting.
Also, even if the Intel microcode does make things more stable for now, will any existing damage to the chips just get worse through normal wear and tear until failure? There's a good argument to not bother with retesting 13th and 14th Gen entirely.
great interview! can tell this guy cares about his products.
Welcome back GN Extras!
From FX 6300 to now R7 5700x3D 😊 will be venturing to AM5 after 3 or 4 years 😊
By that time it may be AM6.
@@GreyDeathVaccine that's better! Unless I get a better deal on AM5 with powerful X3d chips that is not lagging far behind AM6 CPUs hehe
Zen Daddy rockin the whole dad package 😎
I'm surprised this is on Extras, this is main channel quality stuff IMO.
I read about Mike Clark. The man is next level.
This was, wait for it... legendary.
zen daddy is it for sure
Zaddy 😁
I still have an operational Bulldozer machine: a 2014-era HP laptop running an A10-8750 (I think). Originally bought it because the A10 APU brought _WAY_ better graphics performance than any Intel laptop parts of the era, particularly at the ~$600 price point I bought the laptop at. It remains in service as a second machine I only ever use when traveling. I do wonder if I might have made a different decision if I had known Ryzen was coming down the pipe back then, but I guess that's true for anyone that bought Bulldozer. Thanks for the interview!
It's cool that you got to talk to the Zenfather.
I really liked this interview and have seen one with Jim Keller, so you guys should also chat with him whenever you can!
This was a great video, thank you!
Yay, extras relaunch, I expect to see the following...
Computer industry meme collections
Trail talks exclusive featuring Kingpin
Behind the scenes D&D lore rants mid review
An excessively in depth discussion of why cats like computers
Visionary projections on the computer industry
Random Wendell appearances
GN Team talks about their video game history or something like that.
If you're able to track down the original team that was responsible for the AMD Opteron, some of those guys were originally on the DEC Alpha team, and some of the ideas found its way into said AMD Opteron line.
It would be interesting to listen to the stories about the history of Opteron/Athlon, and then how/why Bulldozer/Piledriver didn't do well, which led to Zen.
That would be amazing! I did have one opteron back in the day.
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Some of the concepts that the DEC Alpha team had WAYYYY back in the day, were so far ahead of its time, that you can only really fully realise this ex post facto.
much inteligent; much humble; much respect to him 🏆🏅
Great video thanks for uploading ❤😊
can you put out a longer video? i want more discussion!
This was awesome!
This was super fun, even in light of Zen 5 not hitting that double-digits that they're known for. It's a good reminder that there's just people behind these products. They're doing what they can, and it seems like their ethos is at least respectable. And hey, maybe every once in a while they don't quite make it, but if they don't, I'm sure they learned a lot and it doesn't sound like they're happy to play it safe. Very cool interview, thanks Steve (and crew).
New Channel, new subscription.
I like extra stuff.
Amazing Content!!
I love this. Rocking 5950X. Still awesome. Thanks Steve Mike and All.
Godfather of ZEN. I can imagine the scene. AMD should do a Hollywood Movie!
Thanks Steve!
5:14 Core Architecture tab is wrong for almost all CPUs, LOL!
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It becomes so easy to depersonalise everything and label the product with the brand, but we forget there's people behind it putting everything they have into making these products, dedicating many hours of their lives for the end consumer, so I personally appreciate content like this. Brilliant work to all of you at GN.
Steve, I support what u do! Subbed and liked.
Excelente video!
5:12 - What? 3000 series Zen 4?
Ha. Weird as that's on AMD's official site. Great catch. Will let them know there's a typo. That whole table is kind of weird from AMD.
Great stuff!
Great video. Cool dude
Lovely guy. Back in the days, I had a phenom 2 x4. Jumped straight to a ryzen 3600. Still have it. First cpu, my family bought for me a pentium 3 from intel.😂 Lovely days
The GN Extras is real!
loved the video, just curious why is it on the 2nd channel and not the main one?
13:19 is that a GN Modmat at AMD??
I still use that 14nm Ryzen the 2nd slowest ever, the Ryzen 3 2200G (4C4T; 3.7GHz). It has 16GB DDR4 (3000MHz); 512GB nvme (3400/2300MB/s); 2TB HDD with a 128GB SSD as cache (L2ARC). It runs a minimal install of Ubuntu with OpenZFS and VirtualBox. All the Apps run in the VMs. Interesting older VMs I use almost daily are Windows XP Home and Ubuntu 16.04 ESM. In 2019 the system could run 2 of the latest Windows VMs or 4 Linux VMs, but it is getting more difficult. As a true Dutchman I upgrade this month to a Ryzen 5 5500GT ($103; 3x 2200G speed). I reuse the 2200G CPU cooler :).
Next month I also upgrade the memory to 32GB, because 16GB gets more cramped every year. Besides close to 80 I get too lazy to mentally re-estimate memory allocation, every time I want to start another VM. Note the system is still responsive, because it runs 98% of all disk IO from the memory cache (L1ARC, max 4GB; lz4 compressed).
I have all Windows releases in a VM from 1987 Windows 1.04 to now Windows 11 Pro and I have all Ubuntu LTS releases from 6.06 to 24.04 and I added Ubuntu 4.10, 5.04 (the first and my first) and 24.10, the 20 year's anniversary edition of Ubuntu.
are you guys going to upload here regularly? cuz i subbed.
Wasn't Jim Keller the father of Zen?
(BTW, you need to interview him, he was behind the K7/8 architectures [Athlon/Athlon 64] and the first custom Apple Silicon chips [A4/A5] which are all legendary CPUs)
Jim Keller was on the design team, but he wasn't the team leader.
I love these videos with industry professionals who designed these products
So cool to hear the stories and meet the people
:0 channel is alive !
Anyone have the video of the group interview/meeting/talk that happened before this video was taken?
Love this thanks
You need to mention this more on the main channel. I only found the extra channel by change bud 🙌
He brought it up fairly clearly in the last video, with the link easily visible in the 'show more' box below. That's how I ended up here. Now I'm subbed, so no danger of missing anything new.
I was a early adopter of Ryzen. I have not looked back since.....
Did he make the tail end of the am29k? Hard to imagine that was more than 30 years ago!
"Zen Daddy" is such a Gen-Z nickname. I love it lol
I really hope GN gets an opportunity to talk to Pat Gelsinger
Oh nice, i was expecting to see Steve murdering his bikes while sharing juicy stories about the industry and instead i got ZEN DAD 🔥🚀
The 5700G is my first AMD chip, but it won't be my last.
Keep on rockin' AMD !!!