A Pretty Unique Drill From Milwaukee Tool: Toolsday
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- A new unique Milwaukee Tool Installation Driver is actually the first M12 Drill I actually see myself using if not daily, quite often on the jobsite… With 4 Unique attachments, it is extremely versatile and has an impressive amount of control and torque to drive an array of fasteners. You might be wondering is m12 tools are any good, and I try to answer that in the shop, but will have this on site so follow along on my instagram. @rrbuildings
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It’s not all perfect. I am not a huge fan of the forward reverse selector, and the bit magnet could be a bit stronger, but in general, this was a great release by Milwaukee.
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I am not a huge fan of the unboxing style tool intros...but this tool genuinely sparked my interest. After using it for about two seconds I knew what I was going to use it for and what I wasn't going to like...follow along on IG @rrbuildings to see me use it more and get more thoughts. I think its a solid little drill/driver tho. Drop a comment below what you think!!
Im not a fan of the forward~reverse switch either. I DO like its size and the front finger guard on the trigger.
First thing that came to mind when I saw it at NPS was door handle installation with that offset. I have stripped the heads of so many screws trying to drive them at an angle with a drill of impact.
True... and that was my first task on site with it. Door install
I guess I am in the minority but I think relocating the forward/reverse to the button on top is a great idea. The traditional selector rubs on my hand and gets in the way of how I like to grip the drill. It’s nice to have a clean and clear surface , don’t have some bulky selector sticking out and getting in the way.
The huge benefit I see with the offset in the right angle is the fact that the outside of the attachment does not spin so you will not scratch up your cabinet by accident if you lean the tool against it. Sweet!
Very true or a door knob
So many drills, my pops had one drill he used for 40+ years and now I’ve got it
Same one
Love my Festool CXS and will probably get one of these as well because its M12.
People are so uninformed about the handle design. The proper grip is leaving your pointer finger pointing along the top of the motor housing with the other three gripping the handle. This puts your hand more “behind” the action allowing you to add “in line” pressure without adding more torque to your wrist than necessary.
That how I hold my m12fuel impact. I monkey grip my m18 drill cuz it's got a lot of torque
Was thinking the same about the grip. Makes a huge difference.
As a handyman I use the m12 impact and the drill everyday. They are small and lightweight. My tool bag is already heavy and they help. I am interested in this tool. Thanks for sharing.
The offset is super useful for installing equipment into networking racks. Many times the rails and mounts get in the way of driving the screws into the rack. Also having a clutch is needed where you take machines apart. I've broken screws and messed up threaded holes many times with a too powerful driver. Sometimes a race car isn't as useful as a bicycle.
wow, takes me back to trying to fix a gate back in the early 60's, I was 12 years old, I was introduced to soap to lube the thread and some pliers for leverage and a screw driver, we've come a long way
I still use that trick
Thanks for the soap trick
I Bought one of these just two weeks ago, I have always been a Makita fan but I don't know that Makita makes a drill like this one. This drill is made to help with the more intricate tasks. I like that it provides so much more speed control and it tend to stay inline with your hand and wrist while in use. It is not meant to take the place of the large drill and impacts. Milwaukee did a really great job in designing a tool for a need.
How about a thumbs up for sacrificing his table for the review?
No I won't do it...I just don't have time...sorry I just don't have time.
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This looks like a festool CSX drill. They both a 12V and 18V versions. They have been around for years.
my first thought too
That's the only reason it has the extra part in the front. People will automatically compare it to festool.
For a limited carry option this tool will be great !! I think the selector switch will be like any other change. It will take some adjustment and then memory muscle will kick in. Awesome tool and for being a m12 even better. I love the lightness of the tool.
Been putting mine to work for a couple days now. Mostly door hardware. If you hold it like a drywall gun then the switch is easy to access with your thumb. I got used to it pretty quick actually. The offset has made installing some electric door openers easy as some of the mounting screws were right in a corner.
This is exactly what I have been looking for. I use an impact far too often when I probably shouldn't use that overkill. A compact, ergonomic simple "driver" is perfect, and I already have some tools on the M12 platform. Great review, thanks!
Home gamerish. Pretty impressive power, but Fwd/Rev would drive me nuts.
I believe the forward/reverse selector was made like that so you don’t bump it in a tight/offset situation
very possible...but not necessarily the issue in my line of work..I understand why that would make sense tho
Wow! Been looking for a replace for my Dewalts. The "L" handle design is more like a drywall screwshooter and is much better for control and driving force. The trend to make "T" handle drivers and drills puts the force of your hand and arm UNDER the center of the drill motor and bit. I find for me, it rubs the crook between my thumb and index finger raw, my hand cramps from having to tightly grip the handle. That's not bad if I am doing a few screws but, for larger projects, man! my hand gets stiff. An "L" handle allows you to put your palm BEHIND the center of the drill, pull the trigger with your middle finger and get a real inline thrust. Less stress on my hand and I can drill/drive all day long. Thanks Kyle, for sharing. And Yes, I could hear the difference with the different batteries.
Tom Im I bought some M12 tools and batteries, I mainly wanted the 3/8 90 degree fuel impact ratchet. I also run XRP 20V Dewalt, M12 is NOT even in the same ballpark. Gave the M12 drill & 1/4 impact to the wife. She likes them.
Been watching a lot of your videos for tips on making my own channel and I have to say I like your work and how you do your videos... and neither is easy..
Moving the forward/Reverse makes a lot of sense for truly tight spaces. My M12 tools really start driving me crazy when the F/R switch bumps into lockout while I'm trying to do work where my hands aren't able to get perfectly placed on the grip. And if you're going through a bunch of installs, then how often are you going into reverse anyway? Maybe the top of the tool isn't ideal, though, and I'd have a hard time trusting an electric switch over time.
I have several m12 drivers and I’m always hitting the forward and reverse switch accidentally so I think it may be better
Your Instagram is awesome, i really like the day to day job overview. Looks like your verseta stone turned out dang good today. Good job boys.
thanks brother appreciate that
This is a great value for money shedbuilder.work I have been searching for something like this for a long time now. I'm glad there are opportunities like this still out there. writer did a very good job. Thank you.
I recently bought the 12V bosch flexiclick. The right angle head already saved my butt installing a keyboard drawer in a tight spot. The right angle and offset head aren't needed a lot, but they sure are nice to have.
Nice overview! I now feel able to comment with some value add, since my Mother in Law got me the M12 Installation Driver Kit for Christmas.
Man...what an awesome tool. I wish I had it 10 months ago when I was installing our new kitchen cabinets.
With regards to the 6 amp battery, there is a noticeable difference in sound and power. If you haven’t already tried it, I would suggest doing so. There’s a definite difference between the 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 vs the 6.0. Besides more power/torque there’s the relative difference in extended run time between the aforementioned batteries.
The design of this tool was for the guys that do installation work mainly. You still need your M18 tools for heavier work work.
This seems like an exact copy of the Festool CXS
It is. Red China hasn’t had an original thought since the sawzall. Buy the Bosch. Same drill built like a drill. Not a Star Trek phaser.
CSX with more rpm and more torque
Give me the Bosch! What the heck was TTI/Milwaukee thinking with that forward/reverse? Slap on a tactile mechanical switch any day especially where Milwaukee put the button. I would not want the Milwaukee just because of that switch.
Or rather the Festool C12 with the off center attachment.
I am definitely buying this one, with the bigger battery, there is a noticeable difference, it adds more power
yes
It's made to trigger using your middle finger instead of your pointer finger, and it works better that way. You can also use your thumb on the selector switch. That is also why the back of the tool is shallow compared to comparative tools.
i think the festool patent may have expired. festool had this like more than 10 years ago already. nice tool. great vid.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking....never without my festool installer driver doing built ins....looks like Milwaukee saw the light lol
Makita hybrid is the best !
The angel attachment you can get in every diy place
I thought of the direction selector before you said it. I also agree, I like it where my fingers are.
Hi Kyle, I agree, the forward/reverse switch should be mechanical, not electronic for ruggedness. However, this tool isn't for everyday mass screwing but for specific applications.
Keep up the great videos
Thanks
Eric in Quebec, Canada
This will be great for electricians and plumbers. The right angle adapter with an Irwin spiral auger bit is great for going through studs - no chuck needed, they have the 1/4” hex drive. The offset is nice for electrical boxes that are close to a stud. I have been using the Festool drills for years, and this will likely replace them for me as I’ll have fewer battery types to lug around.
The C body stole is nice when working on cabinets since you can leave it standing up rather than having to lay it on it’s side. It helps prevent little nicks or gouges in your finished cabinets.
It’s great! My shed has been completed and it turned out nice looking and sturdy and it is way better than the sheds that many of my neighbors had put up. Of course, I'm pleased with the outcome and this Ryan’s th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans was extremely useful to me as a guide.
You know some people might complain about the switch not being in it's normal spot. But I'm usually working in get uncomfortable places and man i hit the direction tab on my drills all the time by mistake (in very tight spaces) so i think they said that button was put on top to help avoid that but that it's also reachable by your thumb. So I'd like to give it a try
I like the look and could find a use for it. I see why you were interested. The selector could be a pain but not a deal-breaker.
I can see it being handy for steel stud drywall applications
I remember using a Yankee drill with my dad back in the 70s.
Milwaukee and Festool are my chosen ones, Festool for fine precision work, Milwaukee for everything else, love them both!
I’m probably agreeing with 99% of the commenters in saying that the forward/reverse switch seems annoying. It’s basically making it a 2 handed action when it should be one. I’d be curious to hear from Milwaukee on it. They’re usually pretty good about design choices. There may be a good reason why they moved it. The off set would be nice in commercial plumbing. Trying to screw self tappers at an angle is next to impossible. There’s lots of hold rights and strapping where the head of the drill gets in the way of making a straight shot
Thanks Kyle. Milwaukee is good at innovation . Seems like they put effort into staying at the top and developing new ideas
Fwd reverse on top seems like a huge pain
greenwoodr83 it seems like for some drywall guys who rarely if ever use reverse it would be fine, but if you’re using it as an actual drill it seems extremely unnecessary
That's a deal breaker for me right there, all of my drills have a switch above the trigger and now suddenly I'm going to have use my other hand to reach up and change direction? I don't think so... Makes zero sense to me to put the switch on the top.
Larry527az same, not to mention the fact that it’s going to get me all bass ackwards considering all my other tools have it above the trigger
Especially for installations when your other hand is holding something else
If your thumb can activate it then it is not an issue. Sort of like flicking the safety off on a Colt 45...
The forward/reverse IS annoying. What were you thinking Milwaukee?
paul kelly so you’ve tried it? Curious if you grip it like a drywall gun if you can reach with your thumb or forefinger
@@alexjburkhardt There was once a Makita that had the F/R switch on the back end of the drill. Most inconvenient place there is. Working with cordless drills for over 33 years and have seen quite a bit. It does look like if it is held pistol grip, one might access the F/R with the thumb.
Agreed, that's the only downside I see with this Festool killer. You really want something that is one hand operated.
Fewer injuries with the new setup!
I can almost guarantee, they put the button on it, just thinking people like buttons. They should have left the f/r switch where everyone is use to it being and simply made that button for lock out.
The forward reverse switch is a show stopper. This is obviously a copy of the Festool unit but not at the $600 price. You can buy a right angle attachment anywhere. I am not sure where Milwaukee is going with this. Thanks for the review.
The trigger guard part with the LED/magnetic bit is there to house the electronics of the tool to keep the bulk out of the tool body 👍
Offset perfect for blinds inside mount installation.
seems like a Festool C18 inspired. Not hating on MKE I am an MKE fan.
The magnet for the magnetic bit holder seems weak.
I've picked one up! I've always wanted a Space 1999 laser. And the best thing is when I'm not using it on the couch watching tv, it doubles as a drill driver!
I think the forward reverse button is meant to be used with the thumb as opposed to the index finger, thus affording a firmer grip on the tool
May be so. It would be interesting to see how it works.
Picked one up at Home Depot this last weekend. It was designed with an in-line grip (just like a drywall gun) and it's very easy to access the FWD/REV button with your thumb. Just a few weekend projects with it and I can already tell it will be my go-to drill/driver. So much power and so lightweight!
@@StephenPaul1160 My main concern - will Festool Centrotec Chuck fit the Milwaukee drill driver.
@@vadim3976 Do you have a Centrotec Chuck you can measure the ID? I'll measure the OD of the Milwaukee male attachment end and let you know this evening.
@@StephenPaul1160 No, unfortunately I do not have it yet.
If you can measure, it will be very helpful.
Thanks, anyway.
Thanks for the review, I'm gonna pick one up. Seems to be great for stuff around the house
Forward rev switch needs to be by your hand. I use forward and reverse all the time.
Yep, forward reverse switch, annoying. I do like the form factor and weight. With that style of drill, you can really get behind what you are driving with a high hold. Im not sure Id use it in a production framing setup, but for driving smaller screws like screwing steel off, or building cabinets, its more than adequate I think.
Have you tried the new Milwaukee M12 surge impact? I picked one up, and I LOVE it! I am a commercial electrician and use it for all the small screws and nuts and bolts. But my favorite thing is the self tapping setting that drives screws without stripping them.
I have not yet
I think the front guard is to save your knuckles when the bit slips off the screw.
7:25 Tough fingers. After two times being screwed and unscrewed that screw has go to be hot... I have used M12 tools for around 4 or 5 years now and the only complaint is that the two tools that vibrate a lot, the smaller Hackzall and Multi-tool, tend to shake the batteries loose and the tool stops or on one occasion the battery was rendered unrechargeable by the vibration.
I can hear the noise diff between the battery’s
The selector would annoy me, but overall the tool looks great. It would be a nice driver for the tool bag for Telecom installation.
Depending on the depth you need to drill, I’ve cut down drill bits and re-sharpened them, to drill holes between studs. Inside steel beams and channels.
I think the forward's and reverse button on top is a disadvantage because it almost takes anther hand and takes longer to change between settings.
“If you know, you know”. LoL! Definitely seems like a cabinet gun. Cheaper than Festool? Otherwise, not much point, for me, currently.
Festool C18 and CXS = Milwaukee Drill Installation Driver
This drill has become one of my top favorite tools.
“I do a lot of screwing”. 4:58
There it is !!! Lol !!!
And he puts it on TH-cam
Giggity
Looks a bit like the D grip style drive from Festool just in the fact they use the D grip
HI Kyle:
For me I think I would like the switch on top. To me all drill so far the switch are right handed. I am left handed and for me the forward/ reverse switch is backwards. So having F/R switch on top where I can see will make it easier for me to get the tool working in the correct direction. I have seen Festool drill like this and it was not conformable to use. this tool size and weight looks very interesting and i will put on my gift or buy list. Thank you for sharing.
When are you going to show us how the last project looks finish?
Over the years , I’ve invested a lot in restricted access tools/ angle drills . I’ve tried the Festool CSX , and the Bosch FlexiClic , both underpowered , I prefer the Flexiclic . The Milwaukee is a Godsend , as it saves me carrying around another battery platform . The FlexiClic has been , relegated to home use.. The Festool was given to a young lady who is a Movie set dresser , so size is a big issue .
Love watching your videos don’t know if you know that Bosch has had a similar drill for a couple of years. I have it and it’s awesome. Can’t wait to try the Milwaukee.
Pretty sure I actually reference the Bosch drill in the video...
I sent that before I heard that you mentioned it
That tool looks like the compact festool.
It's funny you said you don't like the m12 drill set. I had a Bosch 12v set then switched to the Milwaukee. Now I want to switch back. I feel like the Bosch set is much smaller and seems to have better run time also. I like the look of that drill (reminds me of the Festool), but I think that selector switch would drive me crazy. Thanks for your thoughts on it!
For what you want to do, the M12 screwdriver might be better. and the forward - reverse switch is in the right place.
Thank you for showing the RPM of the two different batteries. I've argued for years now that the higher amperage batteries add more power, but everyone says that "no they don't". But when you compare the two batteries (when fully charged) they are obviously different. The bigger batteries do indeed add more rpm and power. Here's an example: If I try to run a 2.0ah on my m18 fuel circular saw, it just struggles to run at all, but the 4ah battery works fine. So what gives? They are the same voltage, so you would think the only difference would be the run time. My m12 impact is also noticeably stronger with the xc batteries than with the compact batteries. The only thing I can think is that maybe the higher amp hour batteries are designed to dump slightly more amperage than the smaller ones. No idea, but I agree with you that it's definitely different.
I know this is 2 years old, but the reason a 5.0 makes more power than a 2.0 in many (but not all) tools is because the 5.0 has more cells, and can provide more amps.
HOWEVER, if the batteries have the same number and size sells (like the Makita LXT 6.0 and 5.0), then typically the lower Ah rated battery can deliver more performance, as higher cap cells can only support lower draws, and high draw cells have lower capacities.
It makes no difference if a tool only needs what the compact battery can supply, and huge differences if it can’t.
I like the offset attachment but the other 3 are not worth the price tag, at least for me. It's $230 Canadian bare tool 4 attachments, case. I already have a right angle drill that gets me out of some tight areas and the old impact and 2 speed m12's are small enough for the cabinet work I occasionally do. Keeping long extensions has also been a real plus as long as you don't bend them.
The Bosch is $10 more and comes with 1 battery/charger but its brushed motor.
Around $180 I would go for it, so hopefully a sale comes up in 2020
I'll choose the impact over anything else for just about everything regardless of style of fastener. Idkw we all like impacts but if it works it works.
Agreed, this tool has its applications but I’m an impact man
Agreed, it's all about that trigger finger.
If ou can't control it, feel it.. You better get some practice.
Even a race car driver has to know how to brake.
I think that reverse button will break pretty quick. Also seems like a cabinet driver.
reminds a lot of my Festool CSX, A bit underpowered and the battery life isn't all that great. However, it looks like they copied the Festool Centrotec attachment system. That's what I love about it.
I wonder, is it interchangeable?
Festool has a drill this size and I love it for small projects, so with Milwaukee's m12 drill it looks sweet. Can't wait to buy one.
mine arrived in the mail today, cant wait to try it out!
CaptainsOrders where you buy it from
@@randallthompson6910 toolnut.com they do a good job.
Yes I can hear the difference in tone from 2.0 to 4.0 so it’s under powered with 2.0
I think the offset head would be good for canister lights
i'm a huge Milwaukee fan and seining this is awesome. I love the design and the look of it!
Great review!! The offset attachment is fantastic when you can’t take the chance of the spinning chuck damaging a cabinet or drywall. For example, every ceiling fan has a cover at the top to hide the union and wiring harness. Most often those covers are held up with screws that are less than 1/4” from the ceiling surface. You can rest the offset against the ceiling with no risk of damage.
Milwaukee comes out once in a while with doesn't make sense tools. The last one was the m12 cut off tool. This seems like a good diyer tool but since there is no impact, there is no sense in the 1/4 inch might as well just stay in the drill chuck. The 90 is great for high volume professionals that need specific angles. like an electrician installing 30 fan canopies. Idk it doesn't seem like it has enough power to stand on its own against a impact, hammerdrill combo with a 1/4 90 bit that will break after 10 uses. Hard to justify the purchase when you already have these, and the impact hammerdrill combo is anybrand is a necessity.
Definitely reminds me of the Festool C18v drill which has the same type offset and right angle attachments. I’ve had mine for 15 years and like it for cabinet work or tight spaces. They came out with it before the Bosch or latest Milwaukee version. The hand guard portion gives the an additional location for electronics and accessories and seems to stiffen up the drill.
Dewalt has a new smaller version of their 12v impact with a larger 2.0 amp batter with a gauge on it. And you can select electronically between 2 different impact speeds or drill mode ! If Dewalt came out with a version like this Milwaukee’s or the Bosch’s attachments Dewalt would have one heck of a drill.
Please let us know if the forward reverse setup got less annoying. My theory for Milwaukee putting the switch there is if you are on your hands in front of or in a cabinet doing door hinges or door rails you can reach up with the thumb of the drilling hand or the opposite hand and make the change.
I know if I am in a customers home I always like to lock out my tools so a small child can’t play with them.
Maybe one day I’ll get a chance to play with this style Milwaukee system and compare it to my Festool system. I thought the Bosch Flex-I-click system was nice.
Great stuff, hope they come to down under Kiwi for this ol' buzzards man cave.
it's like any change. after using it for awhile you will get used to where the rev/for switch is.
For sure, but you can't operate with one hand anymore.
Back when I had my millwork shop that tool would have been great except for one huge thing, you can't change directions with one hand, and that would be a deal breaker for me and take a useful new tool and make it useless in many situations. Nothing worse than being in an awkward position trying to drive a screw into a place thats hard to reach and then needing to reverse the drill , and with the location of the button making it necessary to remove the drill and use both hands. I would NOT buy it for that specific reason. The offset head would have come in handy many times though.
Its a lot like a festool driver but I seldom bought things from festool because of the cost and the guys didn't take care of things in most cases.
You can reach the button single handed with your thumb. It's not perfect, but its not that bad.
Buttons on top are a tad annoying, but i hope i get use to them, amd the handle is made to use ur middle finger as the trigger so ur thumb can easily tap the forward reverse buttons. Just something ti get use too
My understanding is that they put that guard there so they can move the electronics there instead of in the head to keep it compact
Cool video Kyle.. I was wondering how well this would be when I saw it released from nps19 .. seems like one of those tools that would be awesome in certain situations , guess it all depends on what your trade is .. it’s pretty cool tho & reasonable price. May be a down the road tool . 👍🏻 thanks for the input bro
Nice to see some of the European tools come across the pond.
Is Milwaukee a euro brand???
@@Monsieur405 Festool CXS
@@vadim3976 ahhh gotcha gotcha
Looks like that forward/reverse location was put there by an engineer w/o input from someone who uses these regularly/for a living. I'd not buy it simply for that reason. I can also foresee that handle (w/led, battery gauge, etc) getting in the way on certain jobs.
Robert Regan just an outside opinion, and I have yet to get my hands on this, but ... Festool’s been pretty successful with this tool design for years, and as a product development engineer, there is literally no way this didn’t make its way into a users hands prior to launch. Just might have been a unique sample group - like purely cabinet installers, or trim carpenters, etc. don’t knock it til you try it! Then ... if it actually is awful, go nuts! Or realize that it might have been designed for someone other than you.
It was designed with an in-line grip (just like a drywall gun) and it's very easy to access the button with your thumb - plus accidental switch bumps are a thing of the past.
perfect with a 4.0 bat totally agree with wrong placement of reverse
it look like a festool model
The balance between dedicated tools and versatility is tough, but this seems to be a bit gimmicky to me.
Nah, it's job specific for sure. For me, I'd use all those attachments putting in a furnace.
I find it much nicer and quicker to have two drills set up rather than changing heads on these install machines.
Great video, I do have to say the direction change has gotta go! I don't own the festool drill in that form but, I did use my buddy's for about 3 weeks. I totally hated the knuckle saver guard on it. I fount myself grabbing the front as apposed to the trigger. The changeability of attachments is huge gimmick when you want them you can't find them and when you use them they just kinda let ya down. I used the drill in a low voltage tech application installing whole house audio, blinds and trimming out home theaters. At first I though the balance was the cats meow but soon found out it was just too much to the tool.My big problem I have with the Milwaukee line, is the clutch. I hate them. The electric clutch while I think is highly accurate, I'm use to a mechanical clutch. I owned m18 OneKey I thought all the stuff you could with the one key was cool till I had to use it. It drove me so crazy I sold them and went back to my old standby Makita! The balance and feel of the Makita is like an extension of my hand. I think you may like it for a short time but the m12 will get old. I will bet; at one time or another you may accidentally while changing bits, disconnect the chuck. I think Milwaukee makes some of the best tools in the market and, really listen to the trades I like the Makita sub compact and 18LXT better. Im not saying one is better, I just prefer the Makita. BTW I still own my m12 (gonna sell those too) Thanks for the video!
love this tool but the electronic forward and reverse are a deal breaker in the trades we are soooo used to a mechanical button I cant get used to this
Yeah its more of a natural position for me with the reverse switch on the side grip, quick easy, I dont think I would or could get used the the reverse switch moving to the top, just seems like an extra step and take extra time as ur hand is already on the grip next to where the reverse should be.
100%. They could easily and simply place these electronic push-buttons on the sides where everyone is used to. That would be a hit.
The handle guard you liked is the drills motor.
I ordered one of these mainly for the offset head and the high grip. It doesn’t really offer anything else that my M12 Fuel impact, right angle impact, right angle drill, 2 speed driver, and drill don’t already cover.
I prefer separate tools instead of a jack of all trades all in one.
M12 Drill - NICE!
Love the video hate the forward reverse selector:)
looks like a pretty cool drill...i think it would be great for cabinets and finish work,,interested to see how it works for your applications \MM/