Yes, the labels were switched on the ranking for the two impacts (model #, image and results correct, written name swapped). They've been updated on the live ranking. Winners so far that we've confirmed with: Daniel from Sacramento, Ricky c, & Edward from NC
Even this response is confusing (please clarify)... are the numbers IN THE VIDEO associated with the WRITTEN item (impacts) description or the PICTURED items???
@@jotu173 Watching the video clears that up pretty well I hope as one tool makes consistently more than the other, but it's only "brand" column that's swapped incorrectly. Sorry for the confusion.
Say, did you test the fake impacts with an impact driver adaptor? I remember the Bosch Phreak drivers somehow made more torque with an adaptor than just directly attaching the socket to the anvil. Did this happen for these tools as well?
@@themagitechie9955 It's a good question, we tried it on the M18 and it does absolutely nothing. Bosch has figured out how to make a physics black hole in their tools
That’s why I use their Jack Stands. You can always tell that you have genuine ones because the welds don’t split when they collapse. On the counterfeit ones the welds always break when they collapse.
You should see the knife and particularly the folding knife counterfeits it's insane even the barcodes on the fake boxes can be scanned and accurate to each knife
I have a problem with some lines which are made by the company they say they are but made down to a price. In the UK this stuff will be sold in the DIY sheds. For instance all battery tools will be sold with the absolute lowest powered batteries they make, often without seals to keep dust out,and very often with poor chucks(which you can not change). The last time I mentioned this (on another channel) there was an enormous amount of push back, I was amazed , I thought it was only people who liked tools who watched this stuff !
@@CrimeVidAgreed. The lower price point tools are far inferior to the "Premium" tools. Then if you want to, say, "upgrade" your lessor tool by adding premium batteries, they are sold individually for $200-$300 each, meanwhile, you can purchase a "premium" tool kit, with tool, two of the so called "premium batteries" and charger included for $300-$400. (Not the actual prices per se, but just to make the point).
PSA for anyone that might be considering these. The ratchets at least had no low voltage cut off circuitry. For dewalt and milwaukee the battery protection is in the tool. If you were to run this tool until it stopped your charger will no longer charge that battery as it sees a low voltage and considers it defective.
Likely they are lied to as well, some company says hey we wanna sell these on your site. Then they take the money they are likely offered and sell what they thought wasn't a knockoff but another brand entirely.
The "bad guys" are often or always independent sellers essentially advertising on their platform. There's no one culprit sufficiently "guilty enough" to satisfy the prerequisites for a lawsuit, class action or otherwise. They're lawyered up heavy & the sad reality is that no one cares if some deal seeking guys get taken for a few hundred. Amazon, & Ebay are essentially brokers, advertisers, and complete various degrees of delivery. They likely wouldn't be willing to vet or verify all their middle manned goods...so they just drop sellers that cause problems. In my experience nearly always buy O.E.M. (with occasional exceptions like Anker, or Magnaflow exhaust e.t.c...)... from authorized realtors.
@@adamjames1375 I agree but they A. know what's going on (I mean, everybody does.... Can't play the ignorance card) B . Don't vet sellers at all .. sure seems like a lawyer would have a field day with them as willing accomplices to fraud. Over the internet it's wire fraud and that's federal offense. Somebody's just turning a blind eye....................
eBay never handles the product themselves. They simply provide the outlet for buyer and seller to make the deal. However, that's not the case for Amazon much of the time. They offer to warehouse the products, facilitate the transaction, and provide the shipping. They're definitely closer to the legal lines than eBay is, I would think.
The sticker-applier at the knockoff factory called off on the day your friend's unit was made. Either that, or they got sent off to a re-education camp for questioning why they were putting "Dewalt" stickers on their products.
Heh. I've been considering "hacking" some of my older battery tools with direct power. Not hard to do with some basic electrical knowledge....just haven't done it 'cuz I'm lazy.
One thing I'd be very concerned with using counterfeits is the apparent lack of battery protection on some of the tools opened here. Most brands (excluding Ryobi) rely on the tool to cut out when the battery becomes too low and can lead to permanent battery damage if this protection is missing in the tool.
Ryobi and ridgid both have mosfets in them for overload and low voltage cutoff, every other brand is a straight shot from the positive and negative to the posts that connect to the tool
Quick psa....If you long press the power indication button on a real milwaukee battery it will flash a diagnostic code, easiest way to tell if it's real.
Just tired this and got a 50% success rate with my genuine Milwaukee batteries, all of my batteries have come from stores in kits so I do know they are all genuine
Just double checked and out of 6 batteries, the ones that don't do this are from 2020 and the ones that do work are 2023 and 2022 I also took them apart and compared them including comparing the labels and they are identical and are definitely all genuine Milwaukee. So it appears that is something that was added in the last couple years at least from what I am seeing with my genuine Milwaukee batteries
There's a whole video on the tool scientist channel about the Milwaukee flashing battery lights. In short for a few years Milwaukee removed the diagnostic codes and then re-added the feature. In my opinion given that Milwaukee seems likely to flip-flop on that feature one couldn't always guarantee it to be there because they might decide to remove it again.
I know people love to knock em but I'll stick to my Hercules stuff. The feel of the tools in hand have a nice feeling to them and their build quality feels on par with that of older DeWalt stuff. The batteries are also great and I don't have to sell two limbs and an organ to buy a 12Ah battery like I would have to with the name brands. The Hercules packs also use Samsung cells in them which is an added plus.
@@ranger178 Yeah this is a good example of where not to use knockoffs, if its a high drain application then they are a no go. Knockoffs are great for you basic tasks/diy projects. But its also important to look at the reviews, there are actually good "name brand" knockoff brands these days depending on what brand you want a battery for. Some of the best knockoff brands specifically target the more diy market with craftsman, black and decker, porter cable and ryobi batteries because they can be made cheaply and still get 5 star reviews making them bank.
I used a counterfeit Makita jackhammer to fixed my original Makita jackhammer. The original parts needed will cost similar to counterfeit jackhammer. The repaired Makita is working for 5 years now and still going.
I get that people can't always afford name brands for occasional use, but anyone living within an hour's drive of a Harbor Freight would have to be an idiot to buy counterfeits on Amazon. The warranty on Hercules brushless tools and batteries (Samsung cells now, not explody mystery stuff) makes the gamble a much better one, and their quality HAS been going up.
Their quality has gone way up. I run mostly Makita stuff but have been very impressed by the Hercules Brushless stuff, the line is relatively small, but what they do have is absolutely able to be used on a "real jobsite" & their warranty is unrivaled. Dollar for Dollar, combined with their warranty, for the tools they do offer, and frequent sales, I can't see anyone even close. They just had a (2) tools for $99 deal, including their brushless grinder & some other gems...and with coupons you can often get 12 ah Samsung cell batteries for about or just over $100 and 8 ah for around $80. If you're a pro beating on stuff/equipping guys, or an intermittent user, it makes alot of sense both ways. The warranty also can't be understated...5 years, walk in, walk out 10 minutes later with a new one...no going to authorized retailers & waiting a week or a month...no online signup... Their new 10" sliding miter runs @ 36v with (2) batteries and looks really to be outstanding, very comparably built for like half the price of the big 3. ... For home users Ryobi is really pretty solid & high value too.
Local Harbor Freight stores here have gotten to the point where you have to tell them at least three times no you don’t want to share your phone number or email address before they stop asking. I just stopped shopping there, not worth getting pissed off almost every time.
@@adamjames1375 Not just 5 years on brushless tool, but 3 years on the batteries ffs. Walk in, walk out with a new one. I've got the compact 1/2" impact and it's just fine for a few dozen wheels changes per year, at it was $100 with an EIGHT amp-hour battery. They used to have an additional store in their headquarters building (I live a couple of miles away) which they moved into a new location. The old space is now used for examining returned items and analyzing failures. They're doing a lot of things right in their move up-market. Some of the Hercules upgrades are trickling down the Bauer as well, great for homeowner use.
That's what is really scary. Getting a near perfect counterfeit from what you "think" is a safe retailer (like Amazon). They even make fake store fronts. It's getting wild.
Stop thinking of Amazon as "safe". They move more counterfeit items than any company in the history of everything, period. At no time in history have there been more sales of counterfeit items, and Amazon is single-handedly responsible for the rise. Bezos is well aware of the fact; it's built into their business model.
@@knurlgnar24Amazon isn’t necessarily a retailer but rather a company that does have its own products but is more of a store with major companies that sell stuff on it.
@@knurlgnar24 A lot of 1 star Amazon reviews, no matter the product, complain about buying a "new" item that clearly has been used. I never buy much of anything via Amazon.
@@Nupetiet Nor the power in a lot of cases. Again perfectly fine for the average home-owners or DIYer who doesn't need much power and can afford to take his time completing home construction projects. But not good enough for a professional contractor.
@@NGMonocrom Yeah, I wouldn't rely on them if I was using them to make money. That said, for an economy brand, the bench is deep. The impact and tire pump in my trunk use the same batteries as my dust buster, uses the same batteries as my circular saw, and so on. Wouldn't recommend the vacuum, though
Although my main go-to line is Dewalt for regular and hard use work, I also bought into Ryobi after I realized they make a lot of oddball tools that either Dewalt doesn't make, or Dewalt makes but the tool would only get some occasional light-duty use. I couldn't justify buying the much more expensive Dewalt version in the case of the latter.
I'm stuck in a logic loop about there being an apparent difference between fake and counterfeit. Reminds me of a chap I used to work with who'd bang on endlessly about the difference in various rolex watches..... the genuine counterfeit ones, the fake counterfeit ones, and the non counterfeit fakes.... he could capture himself for hours talking in a corner at parties!
'Fake' is just a simple word for replacement or lookalike. Counterfeit is a simple name for scam using a lookalike. Fakes are very valuable on the market. They allow cheaper repairs to non-critical elements, for example. They help safeguarding extremely valuable items (jewelery, art etc.). Circonia is a fake diamond, yet you can see plenty of people willingly buying it, simply because from afar, it still looks just as attractive for fraction of the price, allowing people with higher priorities in their budget (like food) still have attractive jewelery without having to sell their kidney. Since they never make claims of being something they are not, they are generally 100% legal. Sometimes someone just goes a bit too far on the likeness and gets hit with a copyright/trademark lawsuit, despite never actually claiming to be the original. Counterfeit is 100% malicious and has zero value to the market. Basically, it's pretty much the same as fake physically (aside from trademarks), but unlike a fake, it does actually try to make you think it is the genuine product. So basically the difference is purely on the way it's being advertised than the product itself.
And reporting a counterfeit to Amazon is a waste of time. At least for me when I offered messages three times on multiple counterfeit saw chain sharpeners. The bad listings still are up.
It's not a waste of time. Sellers get strikes and get banned when enough reports are sent in. Also, it helps cover your own butt so Amazon doesn't ban you from buying products - they ban users who send too many returns without a reasonable explanation.
I bought a Makita (it doesn't say Makita, but you just use Makita batteries) two and a half years ago from AliExpress for £30 (Makita was £100 without batteries) to use at home. I had a regular Makita for work. The fake one lasted longer than my original Makita, and I've been using it for the last year at work every day; it still works like a champ. Even with me using it as a hammer on a regular basis. The only downside is that you have to wait about 2 weeks for delivery. Also dont have to worry about somebody stealing it. For most sparkies it will be good enough unless I imagine if you're a carpenter or something similar
The counterfeits are less powerful and simpler, hence there's actually less that can break. The genuine ones are being pushed to their limits (and yes, there are actually specialist positions on companies that are literally hired to find out how little or much of what material they can use so that the device will run only a short time longer than the warranty period for the average user), both for the advertisement purposes and to promote you needing to buy them again. The fakes have no such concerns, and with significantly less power, they are under less stress. Basically, if there's something a fake CAN do (and they are up to at least SOME standard of quality), it has a high chance of outliving the top-end tools for it. It won't do it better, but it likely will work longer.
I've been using a dirt cheap Aliexpress ratchet at work (industrial maintenance) for several months now, and couldn't imagine paying very much more. Got it for $30 with 2 batteries and a set of metric sockets, and it turns bolts reasonably fast and saves me wrist pain.
I think another thing to remember is that there is absolutely no consistency in the counterfeit items. You might buy exactly the same red & yellow products a month from now and their torque numbers would be reversed with the red outperforming the yellow. The mfrs are buying whatever bottom of the barrel components they can find, and as long as it screws together it is good to go.
The Default brushed wrench is $32 on sale. Worth it for occasional use, but only of it is reliable over time. The 'hammer" drill does have a hammer mode similar to the one on a crescent wrench & vice grips, so....
Turns out manufacturers have authorized resellers for a reason. Seems like the FTC should be going after several online resellers these days. They aren't even trying to stop counterfeit and imitation products any more.
Great Video! Thanks very much, I think I will wait for the security cage to be unlocked at Home Depot for all my Milwaukee & Dewalt purchases in the future. 😎👍🇺🇸
Some dude near me in central Florida had a Dewalt kit on facebook for sale for a great deal. $200 for the $399 Home Depot kit with the Flexvolt hammer drill, Flexvolt 6 ah battery, XR impact driver, and 2 ah battery with fast charger. When I got it home, the XR impact driver's nose cone was on crooked, the XR logo and sticker were blurry and crooked, and nose cone didn't even line up correctly with the body and had gaps everywhere, and then when I plugged a battery into it, it made half the power of my real XR impact driver and sounded identical to a cheap Atomic impact driver. Strangely enough, literally everything else in the kit seemed real. He continues to list the same kit for sale over and over. I called him out for selling me a fake impact driver, and he sent me a receipt from Home Depot, which I have to assume he bought 1 kit and returned it so he could send that initial receipt to people like me who figured out his scam. That impact driver was 100% counterfeit, but if the Flexvolt hammer drill and 6ah battery were fake, they were the best damn fakes ever because the battery was the right weight and the drill made a ton of power.
That's why I don't buy used power tools from anybody. Especially if they're the newer style stuff. Any time I see someone selling current model power tools for a smoking deal and have some lame description like "It wasn't what I wanted" or they give a life story in how they bought it a month ago, tried to get a refund but the store said no because they were missing the receipt. All that crap instantly rings the Sus-Alarm for me. There has been an ad on Market Place for my area of some dude who has been trying to sell his Holtzforma clone of a Stihl MS660 for months for $950. When I saw his ad, saw what he was selling and then saw his asking price I just shook my head. The Hotlzforma clone goes for $560 new from a seller on Amazon, him thinking he's gonna get $950 for a USED one is hilarious.
@@Slane583 yeah anything newer that isnt a combo add on item (lights, light drills so on) thats commonly resold is just not even worth looking at used.
@@mromutt I see a lot of people selling the older brushed DeWalt stuff that took the old NiCd battery format for cheap. It's too bad people don't know about the adapters DeWalt sells to make the new battery packs work on older tools. They may not be a fancy new brushless but they're still useable.
I have two fake makita tools - a drill and an impact driver. Both work great and I would definitely buy them again considering the price. I upgraded to these after being left wanting after purchasing a drill and impact driver from UK brand Silverline - I paid £100 for the silverline models together, which included 2 batteries each and a charger each. They’re brushed and whilst solidly made, don’t have terrific power or speed. They worked okay for DIY and I’ll leave it at that. The fake makitas do genuinely have brushless motors, generate good torque and the value is hard to beat at this price point. At £50 for the drill and the impact driver combined. Now, having makita on the side really doesn’t make a difference to me, I already had some makita style batteries from my impact wrench, so these worked fine for me. A lot of people will argue it’s bad for makita because they will lose me as a customer - however I was never in a financial position to buy genuine makita. I’m just a guy who happens to need tools for diy around the home and occasionally working on vehicles. So long as people don’t try and play them off as genuine, these tools can really be good for someone in a position similar to mine. That said, buyer beware, always buy from reputable sources and trust your gut if something seems off. I would never scam, but others sure will.
I wonder how much cheaper you could have bought that tool (or a similar tool) if it didn't say fake-Makita on the side. Selling counterfeits runs the risk of them getting seized by customs. So that expected loss has to be priced into the tool. Plus you don't want to sell your Counterfeits for too cheap, otherwise people won't believe that it might be a real product.
I am still waiting for them to spin up the trigger test channel lol it would be all shorts of him pulling a trigger and going "yep, they feels right" or "I hate it, I hate it so much"
As always, awesome video!!! You guys give me yet another reason to look forward to Fridays even more every week!! I have bought so many tools based on your test and have never been steered wrong!! Keep up the great work and thank you for all the hard work you folks put into your videos!!
Id love to see the new quiet hydraulic impact from dewalt if you can get your hands on it, maybe compared to some other hydraulic ones like the Milwaukee?
@2:37 I find it a bit amusing someone buys a "DeWalt" tool off *AliExpress* of all places and then leaves a review complaining it's fake and a scam after they get it. I mean were they really expecting to receive a genuine one? Why? How?? What???
Some product postings on AE are actually selling not-counterfeit or knockoff tools. WORX, for instance. But I much prefer it just being a case of it being someone who knew it was fake, bought the scam product, made a stink about it being a scam, got a refund, and then kept the toy.
Yeah. They still deserve to not be lied to. Because it can happen to any of us. If we're not knowledgeable enough of the product, we'd be unlikely to discern a fake from a legitimate product. Power tools are a great example- most buyers just want a decent tool that works for home use. But not all of us know how to discern a fake DeWalt from a real one. Some consumers just don't know how much tools should cost and buy the cheapest thinking they're getting a good deal.
@@orijimiI love my worx tools. Cheap, but reliable AND innovative. They're the only Chinese company I'd recommend for diy'ers. Their 2-in-1 jigsaw to reciprocator for example, lets you use reciprocating saw lades while cutting like a jigsaw- the thicker, longer blade allows me to cut perfectly straight through a 4x4 block of wood, and being able to switch modes makes it easier to cut different angles. Their screw "gun" is also really cool. Its shaped like a gun, and you can cock it to switch bits in a revolver like holder (though it's faster to just rotate the cylinder manually).
The way Amazon handles the warehouse side of things makes counterfeit items impossible to avoid on their platform. You could literally be buying from a legit seller who sent in a legit item and Amazon will send you a counterfeit because some other seller sent in the knockoffs and everything just got thrown in together.
That is so true. You can purchase from the real brand store but because they store the same products together you can get a counterfeit. Truth is if you worry about buying a counterfeit item then purchase it at the horses mouth ie the real brand store or maybe a chain like Lowes. The good thing is that amazon requires their products cannot be sold cheaper at the brand website. Yes you lose 2 day delivery but sometimes you can get rebates that you cannot get at amazon.
The problem with counterfeit and even random non-counterfeit tools is that they are not building a brand and likely have no intention of doing so. Therefore, the quality is always changing, and what could be a value buy one day may be a disaster the next.
The real question is how long will the knock-offs and counterfeits last? I trust the name brands to stand behind their products but not the counterfeiters.
Heard this too…so what? Do they just pawn or eBay the real one for the profit? I don’t get how this can be that lucrative as they’re already listing the kit for like half.
@@woltergrant I guess it depends on how its comboed, some combos are not just one big kit but more individual tools sold at a discount together (in their own boxes). Often you can return one of them later, this is done a lot by people trying to get cheap battery deals or discounted tools. you have probably heard the term "ryobi hack" this is an example of how it could be done.
I do not think selling one or two counterfit tools as part of a bundle of used tools is a scam its an over sight not a scam for it to be a scam somebody has to know what they are selling is fake so you buy used tools from FB market place little does the original owner know he got scammed sells them to somebody else that in turns sells them again with the intent of profit what is is worse is when you buy from amazon expecting that your getting real items its like getting counterfeit money from the bank ya that happens
My advice if you need batteries: wait for the Christmas sale at Home Depot. They are usually on sale or are bundled with other items. I bought 4 Makita batteries last Christmas for the price of 2.
I wish all knockoffs were as easy to differentiate. Now I'm worried one of my tools was a knock off. The hammer drill function on my dewalt stopped working after the first use- another TH-camr had the same issue, so perhaps it's a bad batch, a legitimate design flaw, or a counterfeit.
Thanks, guys! Another GREAT video, by TTC (my "Go-To" for all my power tool related needs....ALWAYS check your reviews before buying anything). Wanted to ask....when might you be testing the new Gen 2 M12 Stubby? Very much looking forward to it. Thanks 😊👍🏼
Im telling everybody here, if you buy one of these counterfeits, refuse payment, tell seller if they want it back, they pay shipping. 99% you get a free knockoff tool. This is the only way to combat this problem! I have a ton of freebies piling up😂
On Amazon I just return it and provide the explanation that it's fraud and explain how I know. They've yet to ban me despite returning 5 heavy chairs- there is a lot of false advertising on computer chairs alone.
How would you test that with a torque tester, rotational power tester, or linear hammer tester? Or, what kind of tester would you suggest? Seems more like a PhillyFixed or Project Farm video to me.
I hate nibblers because of the tiny sharp pieces they drop from cuts. I bought a DeWalt shear adapter for drills, but Ive seen unbranded shears that are less bulky, without a plastic housing. They possibly can cut just as well, though the lack of housing exposes the mechanism to debris.
I'm in the UK by the way, and am already 3 gardening tools into the Einhell range. So my next purchase will be their sub £100 1/2 inch impact driver, mostly for work on whatever vehicle I happen to own at the time. 👍
I'm just gonna throw this out there, as counterfeiting has become a massive issue for Milwaukee and DeWalt; nobody will ever counterfeit a Hercules, and those Hercules Brushless tools absolutely rip and compete directly with tools costing 3X their price, especially when on sale like they are now at 2 for $99. 5-year warranty as well. I usually don't get excited for cheap tool brands, but what Hercules is doing right now is the most significant move in the entire tool industry in decades, period. Their impact driver, hammer drill, angle grinder, mid torque impact wrenches etc. are all $50 ea right now, and even their 8 ah 21700 high output batteries were $50 last week. There's just nobody able to compete with their performance for the price on planet Earth right now.
@georgeburns7251 I feel the same way. I'm invested in Hitachi (Metabo HPT) and $185 for their 18v mid torque seemed a little steep bare tool. On the other hand for $30 bucks more I could go ahead with the 36v. HF mid torque can be purchased right now for $150 as a kit. For most jobs though my 12v dewalt xtreme 1/2" has been extremely successful at destroying the anvil side of impact sockets and it's only rated at 450 ft lbs. So is it worth even buying a mid torque???
Just another reason in a laundry list of them, to stay away from buying stuff from Amazon. Except for my Hakko adjustable pencil soldering iron, which was the Japanese model, but I knew that when buying it. So the calibration is slightly different and the temperatures aren't accurate, but it's really close side we both use similar wall power. The difference was in the drastically cheaper price (almost half), despite NOT being a fake. So well worth it for my hobby needs. But yea, Amazon is little more than a local Ali Express, and has been that way for wayyy too long... 😒
It's not even about common sense. These counterfeits are getting really sophisticated. Sometimes a manufacturing company or it's employees will have a side grift which makes it easier for them to create fake products that are visually indescernible from legit ones. You can only tell by opening them up which they know few people do.
i got one of those m18 aliexpress fakes for 40 bucks just for giggles (i knew it was a fake so no surprises). it actually does ok for just general stuff. only time will tell how long before it falls apart
Great video!! Only would wish for more guidance how to distinguish fake/counterfeit within the product return window without disassembly, so it can be returned. Yeah, I know, that's asking for a lot. 😄
It's also not written on the side of the drill, which IS brushless. i wouldn't be so quick to explain away with honesty what can be explained with being cheap and lazy :P
@@TorqueTestChannel do the listings use official Dewalt/Milwaukee images or do they use accurate photos? I'd expect there to be a financial incentive to copy labels if there are real photos of the product, though admittedly the copying of labels is an area where counterfeiters often get lazy (e.g. misspellings).
Of interest is that these "knockoff" tools manage to do 90% of what the real thing does, and, at a fraction of the cost. Many folks cannot afford the "real" thing.
I'm wondering if the counterfeit brands use the same dies/molds as the originals, reverse engineered original molds or are just painting an existing mold the brand color and calling it good. I'd like to get an in-depth understanding of how this works. I work in a smaller company that does tools and electricians components and I know that some of the consumable plastic products we contracted out to China are sold as generics with the logo removed. I'm not sure if a lot of these shells are the same
Probably depends on the exact item, I suspect that some are copies, some are same mold but may be a worn out mold or otherwise modified. For example counterfeit tool batteries usually use a different mold, whereas counterfeit carbon bicycles seem likely to use worn out molds.
A small lightweight multi-speed drill that uses my existing DeWalt batteries? Seems like a great deal to me. It won't replace my existing drill but will be great for my wife to share. She uses a Jacobs chuck more than me
I have multiple 18v Dewalt power tools bought in early 2000's. Dewalt no longer sells the 18v batteries, so my only options are knock-offs. I just ordered one from Walmart, and it doesn't work. If Dewalt doesn't support their own tools, I will never bother with them again
You can buy adapters from Dewalt to run their current 20v offerings. I don't think you can fault a brand for no longer offering batteries for 20 year old tools. Should I shun Makita because they no longer offer the 9.6v batteries for drills I have that still work? I can't go to a dealer and order a significant amount of parts for my 20-30+ year old vehicles, and I'd argue there's more old vehicles in use than old cordless tools.
@@torencalduris3114 cheaper than replacing a bunch of tools that still work. If you're feeling adventurous you could put lithium cells in the nicd body. You'd have to make your own charging system and it wouldn't have the same temperature protection as a factory made pack though.
I have got old 12V makita drill and its motor didn't work and the battery couldn't hold the charge. The price of new motor was $18 + $30 for battery, so I ended up buying 20V no-brand Chinese drill for $20(inc. battery). It works great for the price. Better buy the real products if you can afford. If with limited budget, just buy cheap unbranded products.
15:26 I heard that HEART and similar brands were intended to be single use tools for contractors that forgot their main tools while on the way to the jobsite. Buy, use and then throw away.
I paid full price but I did just order a dewalt shorty impact from Amazon because it was a next morning delivery. Now I’m gonna have to take it apart and find out. I bought a two pack of power stacks for $99. I’ll have to look at them too.
I recently purchased a fake FLIR thermal camera that was absolute junk (it indicated 500F different than the actual temperature, which I verified with two separate temperature reading devices I bought directly from Fluke), and a couple years ago, I noticed that one of my electricians had paid a hefty price for a “Fruke” meter that looked exactly like a Fluke. All the labels and the fit and finish looked exactly like Fluke; however, I noticed the screen font was slightly different. When I opened his meter up it was clearly a deadly chicom knockoff. Both of these were purchased from Chinazon (Amazon). When it comes to anything over $100 I always buy it directly from the manufacturer so I do not get a well made knockoff.
the way i learnt to tell the difference is always buy from store, but also if amazon has a store page for the specific brand name which is where legit stuff is most commmonly sold, i hope theres no counterfiet though
I feel like the simplicity of that brushed dewalt knockoff could make it a hit tool with the right marketing. It's a stark contrast to the super digitization of modern tools. So simple even a dummy like me could service it.
Bosch is not the only one to do a combo half/quarter inch drive head. Korean brand Keyang has a few models like that too. They are not too easily available, but interesting brand, seemingly fairly well liked. They did some "pro" cordless drills for Swedish tool chain Biltema, which had good reviews.
If being in the knife community has taught me anything, it's that people will eventually knowly start buy this counterfeit stuff if it's cheap enough and quality enough to not immediately fall apart. You're giving your money to thieves.
Dongcheng is a huge tool manufacturer at China that does fairly good quality tools... not the best and certainty not enough to compete to Dewalt or Milwaukee but that explains why it behave better than the generic Counterfeit Milwaukee
Got a couple knock off 6ah 40v ryobi batteries for my leaf blower. They don’t last half as long as my genuine 4ah but whatever. They charge. They work, and they last long enough for me to blow the grass away after mowing… they are clearly not genuine batteries. They don’t say ryobi anywhere on them. Lesson learned. Ryobi batteries are very expensive. But worth the money.
Could you do a video comparing shop vacs? Apparently there are cordless ones? Also doesn’t seem to be any tested comparisons for corded either in the last 3-4 years!
There's a pawnshop in my area that has a ton of older used tools, but there's also an entire 10' wall with 100% brand new dewalt and milwaukee cordless tools. Beside that, there's a glass case of all brand new batteries for them still in package. I suspect they're all fakes or stolen from a big box store somewhere. There's no way a store like that should have tools like those
hence why i grab tools from the store or through the brand's site cause tbh, i've already been scammed and literally no-one in the payment/brokering/storefront chain was helpful. overall down well over a thousand dollars before i outright refused to get anywhere than the store or the brand's site directly
I was about to buy the milwaukee tool, I only need an impact that can reach 200NM, most of the bolts I encounter are less than 100NM. Ended up buying an impact from the 'ONEVAN' brand, the '1200NM' model, I hope it can reach at least 200NM (it can as I saw here on YT, but it was tested with quality batteries).
I have a friend that only buys Hart. He says they are affordable, you pass by two walmarts on your way to work, nobody steals them, and they get the job done.
Awesome point. Thanks for the reminder. When it costs the credit card companies too much money, then they will likely come up with a fix and not a second sooner.
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Yes, the labels were switched on the ranking for the two impacts (model #, image and results correct, written name swapped). They've been updated on the live ranking.
Winners so far that we've confirmed with: Daniel from Sacramento, Ricky c, & Edward from NC
Even this response is confusing (please clarify)... are the numbers IN THE VIDEO associated with the WRITTEN item (impacts) description or the PICTURED items???
@@jotu173 Watching the video clears that up pretty well I hope as one tool makes consistently more than the other, but it's only "brand" column that's swapped incorrectly. Sorry for the confusion.
Say, did you test the fake impacts with an impact driver adaptor? I remember the Bosch Phreak drivers somehow made more torque with an adaptor than just directly attaching the socket to the anvil. Did this happen for these tools as well?
@@TorqueTestChannel it's probably not legal for you to distribute counterfeit products... It may violate additional laws if you do so via USPS.
@@themagitechie9955 It's a good question, we tried it on the M18 and it does absolutely nothing. Bosch has figured out how to make a physics black hole in their tools
I'm not scared buying cheap Counterfeit products. I'm scared of buying expensive stuff and still getting the Counterfeits.
It’s happened way too many times to me on Amazon
Commingled stock mean I can’t even pick a reputable seller and be confident
@@JollyGiant19 Gotta just get it at a B+M or dedicated tool website.
@@JollyGiant19Fool me once...
I'm scared spending money
@@JollyGiant19 Amazon’s been that way for 10+ years so that’s on you
This is why I only buy genuine Hyper Tough tools from a trusted brand like Walmart.
Yeah that crap is too cheap to counterfeit!!!!
Too funny
It’s a but for the price it’s a good little impact depending on the fact if you get a good one or bad one tbh
I’m dead ☠️
That’s why I use their Jack Stands. You can always tell that you have genuine ones because the welds don’t split when they collapse. On the counterfeit ones the welds always break when they collapse.
I have no problem with "house branded" tools that resemble the big names.... but straight up counterfeit is not cool at all.
You should see the knife and particularly the folding knife counterfeits it's insane even the barcodes on the fake boxes can be scanned and accurate to each knife
I have a problem with some lines which are made by the company they say they are but made down to a price. In the UK this stuff will be sold in the DIY sheds. For instance all battery tools will be sold with the absolute lowest powered batteries they make, often without seals to keep dust out,and very often with poor chucks(which you can not change). The last time I mentioned this (on another channel) there was an enormous amount of push back, I was amazed , I thought it was only people who liked tools who watched this stuff !
Products are as fake & counterfeit @ some of the people trying to fool honest human’s humanity is slipping sad
@@CrimeVid i dont understand what you mean. what "company"? what line.
@@CrimeVidAgreed. The lower price point tools are far inferior to the "Premium" tools. Then if you want to, say, "upgrade" your lessor tool by adding premium batteries, they are sold individually for $200-$300 each, meanwhile, you can purchase a "premium" tool kit, with tool, two of the so called "premium batteries" and charger included for $300-$400. (Not the actual prices per se, but just to make the point).
PSA for anyone that might be considering these. The ratchets at least had no low voltage cut off circuitry. For dewalt and milwaukee the battery protection is in the tool. If you were to run this tool until it stopped your charger will no longer charge that battery as it sees a low voltage and considers it defective.
PSA for everyone: now you know WHY the battery protection is in the tool.
You can manually charge the battery with a dc power supply until it's high enough for the regular charger
Milwaukee is in the battery… they suck
@@SThom27 To sell more batteries?
Yeah that’s what I’d be worried about too. Makitas look kinda nice if just for this reason.
I still don't understand well why Amazon and eBay are not guilty of crimes for knowingly peddling fake items.....
Because the Federal Trade Commission is corrupt and allows it to happen.
Likely they are lied to as well, some company says hey we wanna sell these on your site. Then they take the money they are likely offered and sell what they thought wasn't a knockoff but another brand entirely.
The "bad guys" are often or always independent sellers essentially advertising on their platform.
There's no one culprit sufficiently "guilty enough" to satisfy the prerequisites for a lawsuit, class action or otherwise. They're lawyered up heavy & the sad reality is that no one cares if some deal seeking guys get taken for a few hundred.
Amazon, & Ebay are essentially brokers, advertisers, and complete various degrees of delivery.
They likely wouldn't be willing to vet or verify all their middle manned goods...so they just drop sellers that cause problems.
In my experience nearly always buy O.E.M. (with occasional exceptions like Anker, or Magnaflow exhaust e.t.c...)... from authorized realtors.
@@adamjames1375 I agree but they A. know what's going on (I mean, everybody does.... Can't play the ignorance card) B . Don't vet sellers at all .. sure seems like a lawyer would have a field day with them as willing accomplices to fraud. Over the internet it's wire fraud and that's federal offense. Somebody's just turning a blind eye....................
eBay never handles the product themselves. They simply provide the outlet for buyer and seller to make the deal. However, that's not the case for Amazon much of the time. They offer to warehouse the products, facilitate the transaction, and provide the shipping. They're definitely closer to the legal lines than eBay is, I would think.
Lol a friend of mine got a cheap "DeWalt" and the stickers were in the box you had to put them on yourself !
Hahah wtf smart friend lol
D'Walt? 😂
they passed the savings on to them!
The sticker-applier at the knockoff factory called off on the day your friend's unit was made.
Either that, or they got sent off to a re-education camp for questioning why they were putting "Dewalt" stickers on their products.
@@mr2_mikenono, it's DEWILLIS!!! - that's a real knockoff brand
I love all my 25 year old Makita power tools with an actual cord, after all these years they continue to work just like the day I bought them.
Heh. I've been considering "hacking" some of my older battery tools with direct power. Not hard to do with some basic electrical knowledge....just haven't done it 'cuz I'm lazy.
@@Mephistahpheles i also have the same idea once and just like you I'm too lazy to actually do anything about it😂
The old Makitas were great. The new Makitas are made in China, and they are cheap tools at an expensive price. I do not buy Makita any-more.
Amazon is Temu at this point. The consumer categories with goods worth buying from the site are miniscule at this point.
That's how I view it as well. Amazon is a faster more reliable aliexpress.
Its cheap knock off shit but at least you can get it in 2 days.
at this point, can be an overused expression at this point.
At this point, I'd have to agree, at this point.
True
One thing I'd be very concerned with using counterfeits is the apparent lack of battery protection on some of the tools opened here. Most brands (excluding Ryobi) rely on the tool to cut out when the battery becomes too low and can lead to permanent battery damage if this protection is missing in the tool.
What are you talking about Ryobi li ion batteries do have low voltage cut off . It's literally unsafe to not
@@jalee6587He's correctly stating that Ryobi puts the BMS in the battery housing while many other brands put it in the tools and chargers.
@@andrewfidel2220 You do have to kind of know that to understand the OP's comment.
Ryobi and ridgid both have mosfets in them for overload and low voltage cutoff, every other brand is a straight shot from the positive and negative to the posts that connect to the tool
Just posted the same thing, if you run the tool till the battery id dead the charger will see it as a defective battery and refuse to charge it.
Quick psa....If you long press the power indication button on a real milwaukee battery it will flash a diagnostic code, easiest way to tell if it's real.
Just tired this and got a 50% success rate with my genuine Milwaukee batteries, all of my batteries have come from stores in kits so I do know they are all genuine
Just double checked and out of 6 batteries, the ones that don't do this are from 2020 and the ones that do work are 2023 and 2022 I also took them apart and compared them including comparing the labels and they are identical and are definitely all genuine Milwaukee. So it appears that is something that was added in the last couple years at least from what I am seeing with my genuine Milwaukee batteries
@@greasemonkeymechanic1thanks for doing that haha.
Depends on the year the battery was made
There's a whole video on the tool scientist channel about the Milwaukee flashing battery lights. In short for a few years Milwaukee removed the diagnostic codes and then re-added the feature. In my opinion given that Milwaukee seems likely to flip-flop on that feature one couldn't always guarantee it to be there because they might decide to remove it again.
Had a counterfeit battery blow up on the charger a few feet away from my co-worker. Don't be tempted by the prices!
This is why I try to stay away from knock-off and no-name batteries, all because I'm sure they don't have the same safeguards as the legit ones.
I know people love to knock em but I'll stick to my Hercules stuff. The feel of the tools in hand have a nice feeling to them and their build quality feels on par with that of older DeWalt stuff. The batteries are also great and I don't have to sell two limbs and an organ to buy a 12Ah battery like I would have to with the name brands. The Hercules packs also use Samsung cells in them which is an added plus.
yeah, i had a no name chinese dewalt battery and it burned up trying to use it in a grinder not made for high power draw.
@@ranger178 Yeah this is a good example of where not to use knockoffs, if its a high drain application then they are a no go. Knockoffs are great for you basic tasks/diy projects. But its also important to look at the reviews, there are actually good "name brand" knockoff brands these days depending on what brand you want a battery for. Some of the best knockoff brands specifically target the more diy market with craftsman, black and decker, porter cable and ryobi batteries because they can be made cheaply and still get 5 star reviews making them bank.
Agreed, the tool can break but the battery is more likely to blow up and/or burn your house down.
I used a counterfeit Makita jackhammer to fixed my original Makita jackhammer. The original parts needed will cost similar to counterfeit jackhammer. The repaired Makita is working for 5 years now and still going.
What parts did you use?
I don't mind cheaper brands, but the sellers puting ads on facebook selling fake tools as real is not good
I get that people can't always afford name brands for occasional use, but anyone living within an hour's drive of a Harbor Freight would have to be an idiot to buy counterfeits on Amazon. The warranty on Hercules brushless tools and batteries (Samsung cells now, not explody mystery stuff) makes the gamble a much better one, and their quality HAS been going up.
Their quality has gone way up.
I run mostly Makita stuff but have been very impressed by the Hercules Brushless stuff, the line is relatively small, but what they do have is absolutely able to be used on a "real jobsite" & their warranty is unrivaled.
Dollar for Dollar, combined with their warranty, for the tools they do offer, and frequent sales, I can't see anyone even close.
They just had a (2) tools for $99 deal, including their brushless grinder & some other gems...and with coupons you can often get 12 ah Samsung cell batteries for about or just over $100 and 8 ah for around $80.
If you're a pro beating on stuff/equipping guys, or an intermittent user, it makes alot of sense both ways. The warranty also can't be understated...5 years, walk in, walk out 10 minutes later with a new one...no going to authorized retailers & waiting a week or a month...no online signup...
Their new 10" sliding miter runs @ 36v with (2) batteries and looks really to be outstanding, very comparably built for like half the price of the big 3.
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For home users Ryobi is really pretty solid & high value too.
Local Harbor Freight stores here have gotten to the point where you have to tell them at least three times no you don’t want to share your phone number or email address before they stop asking.
I just stopped shopping there, not worth getting pissed off almost every time.
@@adamjames1375 Not just 5 years on brushless tool, but 3 years on the batteries ffs. Walk in, walk out with a new one. I've got the compact 1/2" impact and it's just fine for a few dozen wheels changes per year, at it was $100 with an EIGHT amp-hour battery. They used to have an additional store in their headquarters building (I live a couple of miles away) which they moved into a new location. The old space is now used for examining returned items and analyzing failures. They're doing a lot of things right in their move up-market. Some of the Hercules upgrades are trickling down the Bauer as well, great for homeowner use.
Not everyone lives in the US
@@AnonVideos with my phone number, I don't even need coupons. They are automatically added.
That's what is really scary. Getting a near perfect counterfeit from what you "think" is a safe retailer (like Amazon). They even make fake store fronts. It's getting wild.
Stop thinking of Amazon as "safe". They move more counterfeit items than any company in the history of everything, period. At no time in history have there been more sales of counterfeit items, and Amazon is single-handedly responsible for the rise. Bezos is well aware of the fact; it's built into their business model.
If it’s sold and shipped by Amazon can that be fake ?
Anyone thinking Amazon is a 'safe' retailer has serious mental issues.
@@knurlgnar24Amazon isn’t necessarily a retailer but rather a company that does have its own products but is more of a store with major companies that sell stuff on it.
@@knurlgnar24 A lot of 1 star Amazon reviews, no matter the product, complain about buying a "new" item that clearly has been used. I never buy much of anything via Amazon.
Nice thing about Ryobi.... Folks ain't wasting their time trying to replicate those.
I like my Ryobi stuff, but you ain't lying. The tools are fine, great for personal/DIY stuff, but the green machines just don't have the prestige
@@Nupetiet
Nor the power in a lot of cases. Again perfectly fine for the average home-owners or DIYer who doesn't need much power and can afford to take his time completing home construction projects. But not good enough for a professional contractor.
@@NGMonocrom Yeah, I wouldn't rely on them if I was using them to make money. That said, for an economy brand, the bench is deep. The impact and tire pump in my trunk use the same batteries as my dust buster, uses the same batteries as my circular saw, and so on. Wouldn't recommend the vacuum, though
Although my main go-to line is Dewalt for regular and hard use work, I also bought into Ryobi after I realized they make a lot of oddball tools that either Dewalt doesn't make, or Dewalt makes but the tool would only get some occasional light-duty use. I couldn't justify buying the much more expensive Dewalt version in the case of the latter.
I am pretty sure batteries even ALDI's Ferrex budget brand have counterfeit batteries on eBay
I'm stuck in a logic loop about there being an apparent difference between fake and counterfeit.
Reminds me of a chap I used to work with who'd bang on endlessly about the difference in various rolex watches.....
the genuine counterfeit ones, the fake counterfeit ones, and the non counterfeit fakes.... he could capture himself for hours talking in a corner at parties!
Hah. Me, too. I still can't figure out what point he was trying to make there.
Love the thought of a "genuine counterfeit" as apossed to a "fake counterfeit" 😊.
'Fake' is just a simple word for replacement or lookalike. Counterfeit is a simple name for scam using a lookalike.
Fakes are very valuable on the market. They allow cheaper repairs to non-critical elements, for example. They help safeguarding extremely valuable items (jewelery, art etc.). Circonia is a fake diamond, yet you can see plenty of people willingly buying it, simply because from afar, it still looks just as attractive for fraction of the price, allowing people with higher priorities in their budget (like food) still have attractive jewelery without having to sell their kidney. Since they never make claims of being something they are not, they are generally 100% legal. Sometimes someone just goes a bit too far on the likeness and gets hit with a copyright/trademark lawsuit, despite never actually claiming to be the original.
Counterfeit is 100% malicious and has zero value to the market. Basically, it's pretty much the same as fake physically (aside from trademarks), but unlike a fake, it does actually try to make you think it is the genuine product.
So basically the difference is purely on the way it's being advertised than the product itself.
And reporting a counterfeit to Amazon is a waste of time. At least for me when I offered messages three times on multiple counterfeit saw chain sharpeners. The bad listings still are up.
It's not a waste of time. Sellers get strikes and get banned when enough reports are sent in. Also, it helps cover your own butt so Amazon doesn't ban you from buying products - they ban users who send too many returns without a reasonable explanation.
"Use some common sense" .... most people don't have that because you can't buy it for sale on Amazon
The scary thing here is if you didn't buy the tool. If somebody else buys you a tool as a gift and they thought they were buying the real thing
That gives me an idea. I shall sell common sense on eBay and Amazon. Can sell in different sizes, even full pallets
If it’s sold and shipped by Amazon, can that be fake as well ?
Ironic given your display pic
@@Skobeloff... looks like a great guy huh
I bought a Makita (it doesn't say Makita, but you just use Makita batteries) two and a half years ago from AliExpress for £30 (Makita was £100 without batteries) to use at home. I had a regular Makita for work. The fake one lasted longer than my original Makita, and I've been using it for the last year at work every day; it still works like a champ. Even with me using it as a hammer on a regular basis. The only downside is that you have to wait about 2 weeks for delivery. Also dont have to worry about somebody stealing it. For most sparkies it will be good enough unless I imagine if you're a carpenter or something similar
The counterfeits are less powerful and simpler, hence there's actually less that can break. The genuine ones are being pushed to their limits (and yes, there are actually specialist positions on companies that are literally hired to find out how little or much of what material they can use so that the device will run only a short time longer than the warranty period for the average user), both for the advertisement purposes and to promote you needing to buy them again.
The fakes have no such concerns, and with significantly less power, they are under less stress.
Basically, if there's something a fake CAN do (and they are up to at least SOME standard of quality), it has a high chance of outliving the top-end tools for it. It won't do it better, but it likely will work longer.
I've been using a dirt cheap Aliexpress ratchet at work (industrial maintenance) for several months now, and couldn't imagine paying very much more. Got it for $30 with 2 batteries and a set of metric sockets, and it turns bolts reasonably fast and saves me wrist pain.
I think another thing to remember is that there is absolutely no consistency in the counterfeit items. You might buy exactly the same red & yellow products a month from now and their torque numbers would be reversed with the red outperforming the yellow. The mfrs are buying whatever bottom of the barrel components they can find, and as long as it screws together it is good to go.
The Default brushed wrench is $32 on sale. Worth it for occasional use, but only of it is reliable over time.
The 'hammer" drill does have a hammer mode similar to the one on a crescent wrench & vice grips, so....
Turns out manufacturers have authorized resellers for a reason. Seems like the FTC should be going after several online resellers these days. They aren't even trying to stop counterfeit and imitation products any more.
That's what happens when the watchdogs work for politicians that are in bed with the Chinese.
Great Video! Thanks very much, I think I will wait for the security cage to be unlocked at Home Depot for all my Milwaukee & Dewalt purchases in the future. 😎👍🇺🇸
That’s if any shows up to unlock the padlock lmao
the combination is probably just the store number, e.g. 3101 in Billings, MT
Some dude near me in central Florida had a Dewalt kit on facebook for sale for a great deal. $200 for the $399 Home Depot kit with the Flexvolt hammer drill, Flexvolt 6 ah battery, XR impact driver, and 2 ah battery with fast charger. When I got it home, the XR impact driver's nose cone was on crooked, the XR logo and sticker were blurry and crooked, and nose cone didn't even line up correctly with the body and had gaps everywhere, and then when I plugged a battery into it, it made half the power of my real XR impact driver and sounded identical to a cheap Atomic impact driver. Strangely enough, literally everything else in the kit seemed real. He continues to list the same kit for sale over and over. I called him out for selling me a fake impact driver, and he sent me a receipt from Home Depot, which I have to assume he bought 1 kit and returned it so he could send that initial receipt to people like me who figured out his scam. That impact driver was 100% counterfeit, but if the Flexvolt hammer drill and 6ah battery were fake, they were the best damn fakes ever because the battery was the right weight and the drill made a ton of power.
That's why I don't buy used power tools from anybody. Especially if they're the newer style stuff. Any time I see someone selling current model power tools for a smoking deal and have some lame description like "It wasn't what I wanted" or they give a life story in how they bought it a month ago, tried to get a refund but the store said no because they were missing the receipt. All that crap instantly rings the Sus-Alarm for me.
There has been an ad on Market Place for my area of some dude who has been trying to sell his Holtzforma clone of a Stihl MS660 for months for $950. When I saw his ad, saw what he was selling and then saw his asking price I just shook my head. The Hotlzforma clone goes for $560 new from a seller on Amazon, him thinking he's gonna get $950 for a USED one is hilarious.
@@Slane583used tools are almost universally stolen from a business. Usually by the employees.
@@Gyzome That wouldn't surprise me. Especially if it were newer stuff.
@@Slane583 yeah anything newer that isnt a combo add on item (lights, light drills so on) thats commonly resold is just not even worth looking at used.
@@mromutt I see a lot of people selling the older brushed DeWalt stuff that took the old NiCd battery format for cheap. It's too bad people don't know about the adapters DeWalt sells to make the new battery packs work on older tools. They may not be a fancy new brushless but they're still useable.
I have two fake makita tools - a drill and an impact driver. Both work great and I would definitely buy them again considering the price. I upgraded to these after being left wanting after purchasing a drill and impact driver from UK brand Silverline - I paid £100 for the silverline models together, which included 2 batteries each and a charger each. They’re brushed and whilst solidly made, don’t have terrific power or speed. They worked okay for DIY and I’ll leave it at that.
The fake makitas do genuinely have brushless motors, generate good torque and the value is hard to beat at this price point. At £50 for the drill and the impact driver combined.
Now, having makita on the side really doesn’t make a difference to me, I already had some makita style batteries from my impact wrench, so these worked fine for me.
A lot of people will argue it’s bad for makita because they will lose me as a customer - however I was never in a financial position to buy genuine makita. I’m just a guy who happens to need tools for diy around the home and occasionally working on vehicles. So long as people don’t try and play them off as genuine, these tools can really be good for someone in a position similar to mine.
That said, buyer beware, always buy from reputable sources and trust your gut if something seems off. I would never scam, but others sure will.
I wonder how much cheaper you could have bought that tool (or a similar tool) if it didn't say fake-Makita on the side.
Selling counterfeits runs the risk of them getting seized by customs. So that expected loss has to be priced into the tool.
Plus you don't want to sell your Counterfeits for too cheap, otherwise people won't believe that it might be a real product.
This is why I love this channel, buying crazy thinks.
The knock of Dewalt Low profile fake hammer drill is impressive 16:00 @Torque Test Channel
This isn't the TriggerTestChannel.... hahahaha!! :D
It was too!!…for a second..
I was going to type it but you beat me to it. Then again, PF had them fake suckers do better.
I am still waiting for them to spin up the trigger test channel lol it would be all shorts of him pulling a trigger and going "yep, they feels right" or "I hate it, I hate it so much"
@@mromutt - it's like an on/off switch dammit!
As always, awesome video!!! You guys give me yet another reason to look forward to Fridays even more every week!! I have bought so many tools based on your test and have never been steered wrong!! Keep up the great work and thank you for all the hard work you folks put into your videos!!
Id love to see the new quiet hydraulic impact from dewalt if you can get your hands on it, maybe compared to some other hydraulic ones like the Milwaukee?
I just saw that and the new 3/4” drive! I can’t wait to see that sucker on the dyno.
Just found your channel. I dig it. Always like seeing different tools being compared/tested.
@2:37 I find it a bit amusing someone buys a "DeWalt" tool off *AliExpress* of all places and then leaves a review complaining it's fake and a scam after they get it. I mean were they really expecting to receive a genuine one? Why? How?? What???
Some product postings on AE are actually selling not-counterfeit or knockoff tools. WORX, for instance. But I much prefer it just being a case of it being someone who knew it was fake, bought the scam product, made a stink about it being a scam, got a refund, and then kept the toy.
I got a fieldpiece vacuum pump for $150 less than retail and it was the real thing.
There's a lot of people with victim fetishes. They play dumb so they can have something to cry about.
Yeah. They still deserve to not be lied to. Because it can happen to any of us. If we're not knowledgeable enough of the product, we'd be unlikely to discern a fake from a legitimate product. Power tools are a great example- most buyers just want a decent tool that works for home use. But not all of us know how to discern a fake DeWalt from a real one. Some consumers just don't know how much tools should cost and buy the cheapest thinking they're getting a good deal.
@@orijimiI love my worx tools. Cheap, but reliable AND innovative. They're the only Chinese company I'd recommend for diy'ers. Their 2-in-1 jigsaw to reciprocator for example, lets you use reciprocating saw lades while cutting like a jigsaw- the thicker, longer blade allows me to cut perfectly straight through a 4x4 block of wood, and being able to switch modes makes it easier to cut different angles. Their screw "gun" is also really cool. Its shaped like a gun, and you can cock it to switch bits in a revolver like holder (though it's faster to just rotate the cylinder manually).
The way Amazon handles the warehouse side of things makes counterfeit items impossible to avoid on their platform. You could literally be buying from a legit seller who sent in a legit item and Amazon will send you a counterfeit because some other seller sent in the knockoffs and everything just got thrown in together.
That is so true. You can purchase from the real brand store but because they store the same products together you can get a counterfeit. Truth is if you worry about buying a counterfeit item then purchase it at the horses mouth ie the real brand store or maybe a chain like Lowes. The good thing is that amazon requires their products cannot be sold cheaper at the brand website. Yes you lose 2 day delivery but sometimes you can get rebates that you cannot get at amazon.
"A dreamcatcher for future bad tool purchases" --- fantastic analogy
16:40 - “it’s like a collectors item” 🤣
The problem with counterfeit and even random non-counterfeit tools is that they are not building a brand and likely have no intention of doing so. Therefore, the quality is always changing, and what could be a value buy one day may be a disaster the next.
The real question is how long will the knock-offs and counterfeits last? I trust the name brands to stand behind their products but not the counterfeiters.
Exactly
Selling one or two of these in a bundle of authentic tools seems to be a somewhat common scam now, same with batteries.
Heard this too…so what? Do they just pawn or eBay the real one for the profit? I don’t get how this can be that lucrative as they’re already listing the kit for like half.
@@woltergrant I guess it depends on how its comboed, some combos are not just one big kit but more individual tools sold at a discount together (in their own boxes). Often you can return one of them later, this is done a lot by people trying to get cheap battery deals or discounted tools. you have probably heard the term "ryobi hack" this is an example of how it could be done.
I do not think selling one or two counterfit tools as part of a bundle of used tools is a scam its an over sight not a scam for it to be a scam somebody has to know what they are selling is fake so you buy used tools from FB market place little does the original owner know he got scammed sells them to somebody else that in turns sells them again with the intent of profit what is is worse is when you buy from amazon expecting that your getting real items its like getting counterfeit money from the bank ya that happens
Knockoff episodes are always fun.
I once bought an open box Milwaukee impact from Home Depot and turned out to be a counterfeit
Could be someone replaced the legitimate one with a fake- I hate people that do that.
@@WarPigstheHun Yeah, and then returned it...sneaky....
My advice if you need batteries: wait for the Christmas sale at Home Depot. They are usually on sale or are bundled with other items. I bought 4 Makita batteries last Christmas for the price of 2.
Love how the Ali "Dewalt" yellow is so off, like someone was color matching the dye to a sun-baked poster.
I wish all knockoffs were as easy to differentiate. Now I'm worried one of my tools was a knock off. The hammer drill function on my dewalt stopped working after the first use- another TH-camr had the same issue, so perhaps it's a bad batch, a legitimate design flaw, or a counterfeit.
Thanks, guys! Another GREAT video, by TTC (my "Go-To" for all my power tool related needs....ALWAYS check your reviews before buying anything). Wanted to ask....when might you be testing the new Gen 2 M12 Stubby? Very much looking forward to it. Thanks 😊👍🏼
Im telling everybody here, if you buy one of these counterfeits, refuse payment, tell seller if they want it back, they pay shipping. 99% you get a free knockoff tool. This is the only way to combat this problem! I have a ton of freebies piling up😂
On what platform? On ali you pay before and have to initiate a return. Which usually has free return shipping now with their newer choice thing.
@@woltergrant Do a charge back with your credit card company.
On Amazon I just return it and provide the explanation that it's fraud and explain how I know. They've yet to ban me despite returning 5 heavy chairs- there is a lot of false advertising on computer chairs alone.
Did he say something like: "A dream catcher for future forgeries" -That's some quality info- tainment, well done, sir!
Can you guys test nibblers? I would like to know how my Hercules one stacks up.
How would you test that with a torque tester, rotational power tester, or linear hammer tester? Or, what kind of tester would you suggest? Seems more like a PhillyFixed or Project Farm video to me.
@@szurketaltos2693 I have been putting this comment in many different TH-cam channels comments because I really want to see one of them do it
@@szurketaltos2693It would have to be tested like the ratchet test - a time-trial gauntlet of various thicknesses and hardnesses of materials.
@@lr0dy the ratchet gauntlet is nice, but where's my line chart with pretty colors and animation?
I hate nibblers because of the tiny sharp pieces they drop from cuts. I bought a DeWalt shear adapter for drills, but Ive seen unbranded shears that are less bulky, without a plastic housing. They possibly can cut just as well, though the lack of housing exposes the mechanism to debris.
I'm in the UK by the way, and am already 3 gardening tools into the Einhell range. So my next purchase will be their sub £100 1/2 inch impact driver, mostly for work on whatever vehicle I happen to own at the time. 👍
I'm just gonna throw this out there, as counterfeiting has become a massive issue for Milwaukee and DeWalt; nobody will ever counterfeit a Hercules, and those Hercules Brushless tools absolutely rip and compete directly with tools costing 3X their price, especially when on sale like they are now at 2 for $99. 5-year warranty as well. I usually don't get excited for cheap tool brands, but what Hercules is doing right now is the most significant move in the entire tool industry in decades, period. Their impact driver, hammer drill, angle grinder, mid torque impact wrenches etc. are all $50 ea right now, and even their 8 ah 21700 high output batteries were $50 last week. There's just nobody able to compete with their performance for the price on planet Earth right now.
Good point. I was thinking the same thing.
@georgeburns7251 I feel the same way. I'm invested in Hitachi (Metabo HPT) and $185 for their 18v mid torque seemed a little steep bare tool. On the other hand for $30 bucks more I could go ahead with the 36v. HF mid torque can be purchased right now for $150 as a kit. For most jobs though my 12v dewalt xtreme 1/2" has been extremely successful at destroying the anvil side of impact sockets and it's only rated at 450 ft lbs. So is it worth even buying a mid torque???
Just another reason in a laundry list of them, to stay away from buying stuff from Amazon.
Except for my Hakko adjustable pencil soldering iron, which was the Japanese model, but I knew that when buying it.
So the calibration is slightly different and the temperatures aren't accurate, but it's really close side we both use similar wall power. The difference was in the drastically cheaper price (almost half), despite NOT being a fake. So well worth it for my hobby needs.
But yea, Amazon is little more than a local Ali Express, and has been that way for wayyy too long... 😒
Common sense is remarkably uncommon unfortunately.
Common sense is exactly what it sounds like, common. Common sense simply may not be what you wish it was.
@@andrewt.5567wtf are you going on about? You may think you’re being intellectually clever but you missed the mark lol
It's not even about common sense. These counterfeits are getting really sophisticated. Sometimes a manufacturing company or it's employees will have a side grift which makes it easier for them to create fake products that are visually indescernible from legit ones. You can only tell by opening them up which they know few people do.
i got one of those m18 aliexpress fakes for 40 bucks just for giggles (i knew it was a fake so no surprises). it actually does ok for just general stuff. only time will tell how long before it falls apart
We need more Pushy!! C'mon man we can't wait weeks. I'm already experiencing withdrawal...
Workin on it!
Great video!! Only would wish for more guidance how to distinguish fake/counterfeit within the product return window without disassembly, so it can be returned.
Yeah, I know, that's asking for a lot. 😄
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I ended up buying this impact. Pretty happy with it for the money so far!
Appreciate the testing. Thanks for trying to keep people honest.
DCF964 is out!
For a little home project, the knock offs are much better, but only compared with price in mind.
tbh the fake dewalt ratchet doesnt say its brushless like the real one on the side
Copying a brand name is apparently kosher but not false advertising about the motor? Surprisingly decent of them.
It's also not written on the side of the drill, which IS brushless. i wouldn't be so quick to explain away with honesty what can be explained with being cheap and lazy :P
@@TorqueTestChannel do the listings use official Dewalt/Milwaukee images or do they use accurate photos? I'd expect there to be a financial incentive to copy labels if there are real photos of the product, though admittedly the copying of labels is an area where counterfeiters often get lazy (e.g. misspellings).
The listing show a picture of the actual tool. But often also include pictures from the brand
Is there proof of this online that the motor is brushed and not brushless?
I have that 'dewalt' ratchet, bought from AliExpress but it has no branding on it. For the price the quality acceptable, and very usable.
You mislabeled the fake DeWalt and Milwaukee tools at 13:55
I think we did for the whole ranking segment there, hard to keep track of these look alikes! Thanks, fixed on the live ranking
Of interest is that these "knockoff" tools manage to do 90% of what the real thing does, and, at a fraction of the cost. Many folks cannot afford the "real" thing.
I'm wondering if the counterfeit brands use the same dies/molds as the originals, reverse engineered original molds or are just painting an existing mold the brand color and calling it good. I'd like to get an in-depth understanding of how this works. I work in a smaller company that does tools and electricians components and I know that some of the consumable plastic products we contracted out to China are sold as generics with the logo removed. I'm not sure if a lot of these shells are the same
Probably depends on the exact item, I suspect that some are copies, some are same mold but may be a worn out mold or otherwise modified. For example counterfeit tool batteries usually use a different mold, whereas counterfeit carbon bicycles seem likely to use worn out molds.
China literally builds everything high end money can buy so they make the reals deals of everything.
It appears that the molds were different if you look close enough. At least on the dewalt and the counterfeits they were.
Like i have said before best channel ever, thanks for the enlightenment of these fake stuff out there ...keep up the good work ....
A small lightweight multi-speed drill that uses my existing DeWalt batteries? Seems like a great deal to me. It won't replace my existing drill but will be great for my wife to share. She uses a Jacobs chuck more than me
Kinda depends on if it's got battery protection or not. Might end up being a very expensive 'cheap' tool.
I have multiple 18v Dewalt power tools bought in early 2000's. Dewalt no longer sells the 18v batteries, so my only options are knock-offs. I just ordered one from Walmart, and it doesn't work. If Dewalt doesn't support their own tools, I will never bother with them again
You can buy adapters from Dewalt to run their current 20v offerings. I don't think you can fault a brand for no longer offering batteries for 20 year old tools. Should I shun Makita because they no longer offer the 9.6v batteries for drills I have that still work? I can't go to a dealer and order a significant amount of parts for my 20-30+ year old vehicles, and I'd argue there's more old vehicles in use than old cordless tools.
You can buy 20v adapters to run lithium batteries in the older nicd tools. Dewalt makes them they aren't some janky mail order thing
@@juliogonzo2718 I'm going to look into that, thank you!
@juliogonzo2718 Yeah, that's an expensive solution: (1) 20v battery, (1) 20v battery charger & (1) 20v/18v adapter = $150
@@torencalduris3114 cheaper than replacing a bunch of tools that still work. If you're feeling adventurous you could put lithium cells in the nicd body. You'd have to make your own charging system and it wouldn't have the same temperature protection as a factory made pack though.
Great video! This just makes me want to buy a tool directly from the makers more often than none.
This was very entertaining!
LOAD have mercy. This guy has way too much free time on his hands.
#GETAJOB
I have got old 12V makita drill and its motor didn't work and the battery couldn't hold the charge. The price of new motor was $18 + $30 for battery, so I ended up buying 20V no-brand Chinese drill for $20(inc. battery). It works great for the price. Better buy the real products if you can afford. If with limited budget, just buy cheap unbranded products.
Thank you for looking out for us.
Dewalt main logo is never a sticker it's always molded into the plastic housing that's the first clue it's fake 3:00 @Torque Test Channel
15:26 I heard that HEART and similar brands were intended to be single use tools for contractors that forgot their main tools while on the way to the jobsite. Buy, use and then throw away.
I paid full price but I did just order a dewalt shorty impact from Amazon because it was a next morning delivery. Now I’m gonna have to take it apart and find out. I bought a two pack of power stacks for $99. I’ll have to look at them too.
I recently purchased a fake FLIR thermal camera that was absolute junk (it indicated 500F different than the actual temperature, which I verified with two separate temperature reading devices I bought directly from Fluke), and a couple years ago, I noticed that one of my electricians had paid a hefty price for a “Fruke” meter that looked exactly like a Fluke. All the labels and the fit and finish looked exactly like Fluke; however, I noticed the screen font was slightly different. When I opened his meter up it was clearly a deadly chicom knockoff. Both of these were purchased from Chinazon (Amazon). When it comes to anything over $100 I always buy it directly from the manufacturer so I do not get a well made knockoff.
The head on the DeWilt was flexing hard when hard tightening!
the way i learnt to tell the difference is always buy from store, but also if amazon has a store page for the specific brand name which is where legit stuff is most commmonly sold, i hope theres no counterfiet though
I feel like the simplicity of that brushed dewalt knockoff could make it a hit tool with the right marketing. It's a stark contrast to the super digitization of modern tools. So simple even a dummy like me could service it.
I used to work in a tv repair shop. There are many counterfeit electronic components coming from China. They sell used parts that are relabeled.
Bosch is not the only one to do a combo half/quarter inch drive head. Korean brand Keyang has a few models like that too. They are not too easily available, but interesting brand, seemingly fairly well liked. They did some "pro" cordless drills for Swedish tool chain Biltema, which had good reviews.
This video is awesome. Love the comparison testing and the commentary.
Love your commentary...funny, engaging, fabulous!
Longevity of the fakes would be a big issue to me.
we loved the fakewalt and fakawaukee video showdown
Impressed about their performance consider all cost around $50. Can you imagine what they can produce if budgeted at $150 against those top brands.
If being in the knife community has taught me anything, it's that people will eventually knowly start buy this counterfeit stuff if it's cheap enough and quality enough to not immediately fall apart. You're giving your money to thieves.
"Not the Trigger Test Channel". Thank goodness!
Dongcheng is a huge tool manufacturer at China that does fairly good quality tools... not the best and certainty not enough to compete to Dewalt or Milwaukee but that explains why it behave better than the generic Counterfeit Milwaukee
This is the "someone asked to borrow my cordless tools" pack
Got a couple knock off 6ah 40v ryobi batteries for my leaf blower. They don’t last half as long as my genuine 4ah but whatever. They charge. They work, and they last long enough for me to blow the grass away after mowing… they are clearly not genuine batteries. They don’t say ryobi anywhere on them. Lesson learned. Ryobi batteries are very expensive. But worth the money.
Could you do a video comparing shop vacs? Apparently there are cordless ones? Also doesn’t seem to be any tested comparisons for corded either in the last 3-4 years!
There's a pawnshop in my area that has a ton of older used tools, but there's also an entire 10' wall with 100% brand new dewalt and milwaukee cordless tools. Beside that, there's a glass case of all brand new batteries for them still in package. I suspect they're all fakes or stolen from a big box store somewhere. There's no way a store like that should have tools like those
I usually buy broken originals and make the repairs myself. Along with a few Frankensteins of course 😊
hence why i grab tools from the store or through the brand's site cause tbh, i've already been scammed and literally no-one in the payment/brokering/storefront chain was helpful. overall down well over a thousand dollars before i outright refused to get anywhere than the store or the brand's site directly
I think I'm going to stick to doing major tool purchases off the shelf at Acme Tools. Seems like the safest way to avoid these counterfeits.
I was about to buy the milwaukee tool, I only need an impact that can reach 200NM, most of the bolts I encounter are less than 100NM.
Ended up buying an impact from the 'ONEVAN' brand, the '1200NM' model, I hope it can reach at least 200NM (it can as I saw here on YT, but it was tested with quality batteries).
I have a friend that only buys Hart. He says they are affordable, you pass by two walmarts on your way to work, nobody steals them, and they get the job done.
The best channel out there this is the adult toy channel ❤😂
Be careful, for Aprils fools day, he may start testing the torque on some "adult tools"...🤣🤣
@@hbracerx bro for science 😂
Awesome point. Thanks for the reminder. When it costs the credit card companies too much money, then they will likely come up with a fix and not a second sooner.