The other thing the shootout didn’t account for is the A95L comes with panel scratches right out of the box. I’ll stick with the superior, flawless LG G4 panel.
What’s up Villaman, thanks for review . I ordered this 83 inch on Friday the price dropped a little at Best Buy . Waiting for delivery date this week or so . I had the 85 inch Sony Bravia 9 but the google tv bugs and things pushed me to continue my search. So I’m going to try this g4 in 83. Thx again
Good to see you still posting and it’s nice to see that you’re being recognised by others by being invited to the shoutout . How good are your blinds at blocking out light ? My next tv placement is right in front of windows but I want to close the blinds d on the windows properly
I would def not get 83” for rrp. When qd oled does 83/85 those premiums will tank. It’s insane to cost 50% more for 6” extra. Nice job mentioning the heat - very few mentioned that and in smaller rooms it’s a factor for sure. It shows LG has much better heatsink compared to Samsung as the image retention is better despite the higher temps it reaches.
I upgraded to G4 83" from CX 77". At first I was a bit disappointed, feeling it wasn't such a big qualitative difference considering the price and hassle. However, after a few months I can say it's noticeably better. I actually see the biggest differences in SDR, which feels almost HDR-like in games and movies. For HDR the most noticeable upgrade is that it preserves more detail in the darker areas, and yes that extra brightness gives a bit more punch for the highlights. If you're debating 77" vs 83" ... I understand the conflict and I can't really help. The cost difference feels unfair, right? Both are huge and with both of them you will not "see pixels" at 4K even up close, so there is no downside to 83" other than cost. All I can do is promise you will not regret going for the biggest you can fit, but your bank account may be angry at you. Honestly I wish my screen was even bigger than 83". Room for a future upgrade. :) For me personally the upgrade simplified my sound setup because the CX didn't support DTS passthrough, so I had to pass it through my AV receiver. With the G4 I can use eARC for everything. LG's support for all the video and audio formats is a big plus. Worth noting that G4 switches between SDR and HDR modes much, much faster than the CX, which sounds like a tiny thing, but was annoyingly slow with the CX.
Not a surprise you "only" noted a brightness difference with the specular highlights ... because: HDR works with ABSOLUTE luminances ! ... means: for the most part of a movie (that's for up to around 300 nits) your CX and the G4 show exactly the SAME brightness therefore ! But ... the G4 does get much brighter with specular highlights (95% of contents are mastered with 1,000nits) ... where the CX already has to use tone mapping instead. In other words: the G4 can generate (with it's 1,000+ nits) contrasts of 2,000,000 : 1 and more ... where the CX (with the max. 650 nits) is capped at 1,300,000 : 1 ... THAT's what you see: a MUCH better contrast on the G4 with more intensively shining highlights !!! For SDR: the G4 CAN get 60% brighter than the CX (max. 513 vs 321 nits)... which translates with SDR to the entire picture ... unlike HDR: which always shows the identical scene brightnesses on every tv. What is still widely misunderstood: You CAN adjust the picture brightness with SDR (becaue it works with RELATIVE brightnesses) ... BUT you CAN'T with HDR (because it works with ABSOLUTE brightnesses) !!!
Villaman u just be you. Don’t let Andrew Robinson boss you around and tell you it’s his way or the highway. Your channel matters Villaman! You matter Sir! Bully’s like Andrew Robinson are a dime a dozen.
Amazing man! Thank u so much! So watching sports at 720/1080p from satellite reveiver will it look choppy? It also includes 4K channel. I have an Edge lit 65 inch tv, do u think i will regret changing to 83” G4? Any pixelation? On 720/1080p content like frim netflix or so on,will be watching 8 to 15 ft distance “in a soo bright big windows room. Thank u so much! 🙏🏼
I don’t think the amount of pixelation on lower quality content will be a deal breaker- especially at that distance, but it is a noticeable change from an LCD TV
The heat concerns me…. It should concern buyers too… not saying it’s a problem, but it could definitely cause issues if not built to a spec to handle that heat, consistently…. Anyone who knows tech, knows excessive heat is always the enemy. Just makes me wonder how far off liquid cooled, and even fan cooled displays….
I previously had an S95C and could feel more heat of that screen than the G4 (both 77). Not saying it can't be an issue but the LG seems like it has less of an issue. Can't attest to the S95D but I'd imagine same issue.
55 inches is just so small for the price they want for G4 $2499 is expensive (for me), I think you'd be happy with S90D at that size and not notice too many differences It's only $1699 atm which is almost $1000 cheaper , you'd save a lot of money.. or you could get a larger S90D like 77 inches for the same price you'd pay for G4 right now... but if money was non-issue between those 2 I'd take the 55 inch G4. Personally even 65 inches feels too small for me nowadays , I need 77 inches no less.
@@Osamabr i had the g4 83 inch but return it back🙈… it was brighter and sharper than my G2 77 inch but i dont like the colors… it had such a big green tint like on faces… looks curios… thats why i like to test the sony a95l now, sure dimmer but i hope better color because of QD Oled tech…. And i had a lot of banding… Idk… in my opinion the g4 ist a brighter G2 with bit more sharpness and 3D pop… but not that big different like all say… Idk only my opinion..
Decent review but your untreated room sound echoey and detracts from your presentation. Use a lapel microphone to make this a non-issue until your upgrade your acoustics
Thanks.. I guess? 😅 Fun fact; a portion of the room is already treated, but I have plans for the recording side, so that’s in the works. I have ways to fix it in post, that I’ve done in the past, but this was also an experiment to see how many ppl complained. 1 and counting!
Been considering this TV. But not a fan of the UI and that wand controller. I think I'm just going to wait for the 2025 follow-up to the Sony A95L ( A95M ?) when I jump into Oled. Hopefully Sony will make an announcement in the Spring since they skipped CES these past couple years. Hoping to have the colors of a QD-Oled with the brightness of this G4 or higher since Sony, what I'm assuming, would be using a Gen 4 panel for their next QD-Oled model.
If you really care about picture quality, then you want a different streaming quality then you want an Apple TV or similar. Which means you don't really need to interact with the OS. (This goes for Samsung and Sony too) Also, you can just use the navigation buttons and not the mouse mode pointer.
I have 65c7 (bedroom), 55s95b (pc) and 85qn95b (living room). Replaced qn95b with 83g4 and it blew my socks off. The best TV i have ever own. With Samsung You cannot be sure if with update they will not break our TV or dim it down. It is a shit show. With 55s95b I have panel replacement already 2 times.
Does green look fine to you on the g4?, i have been noticing it on comparison videos where it seems like qd oleds display greens more natural looking, g4 green looks too saturated or is it the camera?
Love your thoughts insight on the televisions. I ended up with an 83” G4 since I was able to get it for $4100. I actually think the MLA G3s had more pop and is better in several ways. I’m still happy with the purchase. The S95D has look very good in reviews. Best Buy ruined it for me by having some of the worst quality demos. It made the TV look blurry. I just bought the QM851 for my mother as a surprise gift. Was that TV part. Was that TV in the microLED shootout?
@@westibbs when viewing demos on the G3 it felt very 3D to me. I don’t get that nearly as much with the G4. That said I have an 83” G4 and am comparing it to what I saw. I wonder if the added brightness has something to do with it. FWIW I’m talking about default settings.
A few pointless takeaways: -the Value Electronics TV shootout proves definitively that QD-OLED is the future and WOLED is obsolete. The G4 got soundly beaten by the S95D and A95L in every category except one, it wasn’t even close. -the S95D falling short by only 0.1 to the A95L shows that the $1000 price premium of the Sony over the Samsung is just not worth it. Samsung is the better value TV for pretty much equivalent picture quality. -posting this again. The 100U8K is $3000. The 83G4 is $6000. The Hisense has 45% bigger picture area than the LG. The better blacks and contrast of the OLED cannot match the picture size immersion and higher brightness of the LCD especially for double the price.
Ive seen the hisense in a shop playing dune 2, picture was really poor.. Yeah big screen bla bla, but compared to the better oleds.. it was really bad.
This video was watched in 4K HDR. Quality of the video and clarity was amazing. Love the G4. Please keep making these videos in HDR.
i'm gonna buy it for my dad!
Amazing! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Buy it for me
When I saw the tv in my eyes g4 is the best
Just got this TV @ 77 in and I'm loving it!
congrats
@@junior-OG thank you sir!
Congratulations! I just purchased the 77" G4 and will have it Saturday.
@@richnick1911 Congrats! You won't be disappointed!
The other thing the shootout didn’t account for is the A95L comes with panel scratches right out of the box. I’ll stick with the superior, flawless LG G4 panel.
That was a one of the best, informative reviews I’ve seen. Great job on this!
Hi. What’s the difference between standard and boost input lag ? Does engaging boost degrades picture quality?
I'm loving the progression of the OLEDs and display technology as a whole.
MY 65G4 arrived yesterday to replace my 55CX. I am so excited !!!
I'm trying to do the same this year
What’s up Villaman, thanks for review . I ordered this 83 inch on Friday the price dropped a little at Best Buy . Waiting for delivery date this week or so .
I had the 85 inch Sony Bravia 9 but the google tv bugs and things pushed me to continue my search. So I’m going to try this g4 in 83. Thx again
Nice! I hope the G4 lives up to your expectations
Thanks a lot I appreciate it
Great review bro! I was curious did you notice any vertical banding or green tent?
Good to see you still posting and it’s nice to see that you’re being recognised by others by being invited to the shoutout . How good are your blinds at blocking out light ? My next tv placement is right in front of windows but I want to close the blinds d on the windows properly
I would def not get 83” for rrp. When qd oled does 83/85 those premiums will tank. It’s insane to cost 50% more for 6” extra.
Nice job mentioning the heat - very few mentioned that and in smaller rooms it’s a factor for sure. It shows LG has much better heatsink compared to Samsung as the image retention is better despite the higher temps it reaches.
I just got the 83 G4 for 40% off rrp in Australia. LG had a big sale on
@@benny360 where did you find this deal?
@@paul8802 JB, sale is over now but
@@paul8802JB Hifi :)
7:19 Dolby Vision was certainly an interesting comparison.
Yo Villa good to see you brah.😊
I need to be less scarce 😆
Great video. I thought the 3110 was a duel panel lcd and not OLED. Also that MLA are not mirrors but cones that bend the light to specific spots
I upgraded to G4 83" from CX 77". At first I was a bit disappointed, feeling it wasn't such a big qualitative difference considering the price and hassle. However, after a few months I can say it's noticeably better. I actually see the biggest differences in SDR, which feels almost HDR-like in games and movies. For HDR the most noticeable upgrade is that it preserves more detail in the darker areas, and yes that extra brightness gives a bit more punch for the highlights.
If you're debating 77" vs 83" ... I understand the conflict and I can't really help. The cost difference feels unfair, right? Both are huge and with both of them you will not "see pixels" at 4K even up close, so there is no downside to 83" other than cost. All I can do is promise you will not regret going for the biggest you can fit, but your bank account may be angry at you. Honestly I wish my screen was even bigger than 83". Room for a future upgrade. :)
For me personally the upgrade simplified my sound setup because the CX didn't support DTS passthrough, so I had to pass it through my AV receiver. With the G4 I can use eARC for everything. LG's support for all the video and audio formats is a big plus.
Worth noting that G4 switches between SDR and HDR modes much, much faster than the CX, which sounds like a tiny thing, but was annoyingly slow with the CX.
Always great when an upgrade makes a difference. Congrats! Funny enough I have a 77” G3 too and there isn’t a difference
Not a surprise you "only" noted a brightness difference with the specular highlights ... because: HDR works with ABSOLUTE luminances ! ... means: for the most part of a movie (that's for up to around 300 nits) your CX and the G4 show exactly the SAME brightness therefore !
But ... the G4 does get much brighter with specular highlights (95% of contents are mastered with 1,000nits) ... where the CX already has to use tone mapping instead.
In other words: the G4 can generate (with it's 1,000+ nits) contrasts of 2,000,000 : 1 and more ... where the CX (with the max. 650 nits) is capped at 1,300,000 : 1 ... THAT's what you see: a MUCH better contrast on the G4 with more intensively shining highlights !!!
For SDR: the G4 CAN get 60% brighter than the CX (max. 513 vs 321 nits)... which translates with SDR to the entire picture ... unlike HDR: which always shows the identical scene brightnesses on every tv.
What is still widely misunderstood:
You CAN adjust the picture brightness with SDR (becaue it works with RELATIVE brightnesses) ... BUT you CAN'T with HDR (because it works with ABSOLUTE brightnesses) !!!
Replaced a 65X95L with a 65G4, the G4 cannot be beaten
Cannot be beaten by the X95L, but it's big brother did beat it lol.
Got this 77" for 3250 dollars worth in my country. Looking forward to it when its shipped to me.
What a great video, My Macbook pro M3 was smiling lol
Bro, what kind of camera are you shooting, the picture of the video is cool!
Thanks! Its a Sony A7S III
s95d 77 or g4 77 same price?
Villaman u just be you. Don’t let Andrew Robinson boss you around and tell you it’s his way or the highway. Your channel matters Villaman! You matter Sir! Bully’s like Andrew Robinson are a dime a dozen.
I bought 65 inch its coming Wednesday I cant wait upgrading from a C9 OLED
Amazing man! Thank u so much! So watching sports at 720/1080p from satellite reveiver will it look choppy? It also includes 4K channel. I have an Edge lit 65 inch tv, do u think i will regret changing to 83” G4? Any pixelation? On 720/1080p content like frim netflix or so on,will be watching 8 to 15 ft distance “in a soo bright big windows room. Thank u so much! 🙏🏼
I don’t think the amount of pixelation on lower quality content will be a deal breaker- especially at that distance, but it is a noticeable change from an LCD TV
@@ThaVillaMan Thank u man!
Is it your favorite oled tv now ?
The heat concerns me…. It should concern buyers too… not saying it’s a problem, but it could definitely cause issues if not built to a spec to handle that heat, consistently….
Anyone who knows tech, knows excessive heat is always the enemy.
Just makes me wonder how far off liquid cooled, and even fan cooled displays….
I previously had an S95C and could feel more heat of that screen than the G4 (both 77). Not saying it can't be an issue but the LG seems like it has less of an issue. Can't attest to the S95D but I'd imagine same issue.
It’s not an issue and never has been tbh unless you use store demo On the G4 8 hours a day barely heats up when normally used
bro our usage is ott+ setup box. but is g3 or g4 55 inch cabable of doing gud upscalling ?wil it show good picture quality of channels too? ✋
Perfect! I always love this 😎
Are you a Villa fan?🤔
Also, don’t you think the G4 is dull in SDR?
yes bro im also thinking about its sdr upscalling cababilities . did u figure out?does g4 show bad sdr setup box content??
I'm deciding right now between a 55 inch LG G4 or a 55 inch Samsung S90D....which one to get?
55 inches is just so small for the price they want for G4 $2499 is expensive (for me), I think you'd be happy with S90D at that size and not notice too many differences It's only $1699 atm which is almost $1000 cheaper , you'd save a lot of money.. or you could get a larger S90D like 77 inches for the same price you'd pay for G4 right now... but if money was non-issue between those 2 I'd take the 55 inch G4. Personally even 65 inches feels too small for me nowadays , I need 77 inches no less.
@@fawkkyutuu8851...I'm going with the S90D..right now it's on sale at best buy for $1,399.00
I would go for g4 myself
The tv can do everything and does it well.. multiple formats no issues
5 y warranty
Lots of input possibilities
@@fawkkyutuu8851LG 55G4 in my country cost 1500 EUR
Will the 77 inch be more sharper than the 83 from 12 ft viewing distance? I currently have a C8 65inches. Will I find the picture less sharp?
I think even though the larger size makes artifacts more visible. The larger screen is still better. 4K and HQ media isn’t an issue
@@ThaVillaMan thanks boss
In your personal experience, do you agree with the shootout results? Did it go as you expected?
I do agree with it. The Sony was just better across the board
@@ThaVillaMan thanks!
Trying to figure out if I should buy the 77 or 83….. 😱😱
Go 83, you’ll only regret going the smaller size
83 is a high premium though
@@VC777 yeah, I mean, if you can afford either go the 83”
@@VC777 True, but going from a 65 to 77 feels like you will regret it within a few years 😳😳. Of course, it depends on your living room size etc.
77 A95L or 83 G4?
77 g4 cause I got mine Saturday and that mf was HUGE
But if you got the fy money for the 83 then go for it but quality is better on the G4 in my opinion
@@Osamabr i had the g4 83 inch but return it back🙈… it was brighter and sharper than my G2 77 inch but i dont like the colors… it had such a big green tint like on faces… looks curios… thats why i like to test the sony a95l now, sure dimmer but i hope better color because of QD Oled tech….
And i had a lot of banding…
Idk… in my opinion the g4 ist a brighter G2 with bit more sharpness and 3D pop… but not that big different like all say…
Idk only my opinion..
77 A95L all day
Decent review but your untreated room sound echoey and detracts from your presentation. Use a lapel microphone to make this a non-issue until your upgrade your acoustics
Thanks.. I guess? 😅
Fun fact; a portion of the room is already treated, but I have plans for the recording side, so that’s in the works. I have ways to fix it in post, that I’ve done in the past, but this was also an experiment to see how many ppl complained. 1 and counting!
@@ThaVillaMan yeah i want your production to match your information.... I'm sure you'll fix it over time.
Definitely. Appreciate the feedback
@@ThaVillaMan yeah i know you do, plus I couldn't help it as I'm a 28-year broadcast media veteran
I'm going to be getting a G4 65inc next year 😎💯
Better wait LG G5 OLED
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋ maybe that
This is for sure an excellent TV. But I have a CX and move to C4. Series G is now out of budget
Just got the 77" G4 for under $3K
Been considering this TV. But not a fan of the UI and that wand controller. I think I'm just going to wait for the 2025 follow-up to the Sony A95L ( A95M ?) when I jump into Oled. Hopefully Sony will make an announcement in the Spring since they skipped CES these past couple years. Hoping to have the colors of a QD-Oled with the brightness of this G4 or higher since Sony, what I'm assuming, would be using a Gen 4 panel for their next QD-Oled model.
If you really care about picture quality, then you want a different streaming quality then you want an Apple TV or similar. Which means you don't really need to interact with the OS. (This goes for Samsung and Sony too)
Also, you can just use the navigation buttons and not the mouse mode pointer.
Did you notice panel degradation?
No I don’t
When are we gonna get a room tour man?
As soon as I finish it!
Hi there,,,,What's your take on UPSCALING and IMAGE PROCESSING QUALITY in SDR Content 1 out of 10
For LQ content it’s 5/10. For HQ 7 or 8/10
@@ThaVillaMan thank you 😊
Can’t go wrong with either tv
i want it 😔
It is pretty sweet
@@ThaVillaMan I wish i have qled tv but the problem is money 😔im from iraq
I have 65c7 (bedroom), 55s95b (pc) and 85qn95b (living room). Replaced qn95b with 83g4 and it blew my socks off. The best TV i have ever own. With Samsung You cannot be sure if with update they will not break our TV or dim it down. It is a shit show. With 55s95b I have panel replacement already 2 times.
Samsung poor quality? I hear that often..
Does green look fine to you on the g4?, i have been noticing it on comparison videos where it seems like qd oleds display greens more natural looking, g4 green looks too saturated or is it the camera?
Have you seen my comparison with the S95D? The greens looked more natural on the G4
@@ThaVillaMan no i havent, ill check it out.
Not mirrors but lenses.
Yea I misspoke. It’s in the name, right? 🤦🏾♂️
Love your thoughts insight on the televisions. I ended up with an 83” G4 since I was able to get it for $4100. I actually think the MLA G3s had more pop and is better in several ways. I’m still happy with the purchase.
The S95D has look very good in reviews. Best Buy ruined it for me by having some of the worst quality demos. It made the TV look blurry.
I just bought the QM851 for my mother as a surprise gift. Was that TV part. Was that TV in the microLED shootout?
What makes you think the G3s have more pop?
@@westibbs when viewing demos on the G3 it felt very 3D to me. I don’t get that nearly as much with the G4. That said I have an 83” G4 and am comparing it to what I saw.
I wonder if the added brightness has something to do with it. FWIW I’m talking about default settings.
Can I have it
This tv has bad interpolation
Hate my G4,
Thing pops and cracks the whole time from the back panel it's so worse.
The 500th like
Can’t get around how even LG admits QDOLED is better.
Where?
Where?
Nope
They didn’t lol. QD has its strengths for sure but aside from comparing to a reference monitor, the G4 is the most appealing tv to me this year.
No where did lg admit that
A few pointless takeaways:
-the Value Electronics TV shootout proves definitively that QD-OLED is the future and WOLED is obsolete. The G4 got soundly beaten by the S95D and A95L in every category except one, it wasn’t even close.
-the S95D falling short by only 0.1 to the A95L shows that the $1000 price premium of the Sony over the Samsung is just not worth it. Samsung is the better value TV for pretty much equivalent picture quality.
-posting this again. The 100U8K is $3000. The 83G4 is $6000. The Hisense has 45% bigger picture area than the LG. The better blacks and contrast of the OLED cannot match the picture size immersion and higher brightness of the LCD especially for double the price.
Yup, you have some good conclusions
Ive seen the hisense in a shop playing dune 2, picture was really poor..
Yeah big screen bla bla, but compared to the better oleds.. it was really bad.
Another Samsung fanboy. Inaccurate out of the box and no Dolby Vision. No thank you.