It's really awesome seeing the wholesome interaction of Pros like Kazunoko, Daigo, Fuudo and Dogura coach vtubers, fps streamers and LoL streamers and everyone having fun and learning at the same time. It's also super dope how this event got a lot of people outside the FGC interested into fighting games.
If the content surrounding a game focuses too much on pro play it turns the audience into viewers and not participants which harms retention. Fighting games really need their big content creators to step outside of the pro scene more often for videos and streams the way Sajam does for Will It Kill or Majin does with his stories. It is a lot more of a chore to do that kind of relatable content than just playing an online tournament or queuing up for ranked for 8 hours straight but the scene needs it to grow.
But fgs started with ultra sweaty nerds. So the communities are totally unfamiliar with that concept. It's a different reality for many people. Which is also why I believe many of them might even be against your idea, just out of a self defense instinct. To keep things the way they always were.
@@Nostalgiaforinfi Actually, not really. The Korean Brood War scene is built off of casual streaming these days, with pros doing money matches against other people on the ladder or custom games and other casual content. Starcraft itself had been carried by people who watch pro games and then log in to play Big Game Hunter or AoS or 4 player matches. The myth that Starcraft is only about the top tier pros is why Blizzard completely bungled Starcraft 2.
I honestly never thought of fighting games that way. It seems so obvious now that when you watch high level play so much, it gives you the false impression that you need to be close to that level to have fun with the game. It has never been the furthest from that case than now. Seeing more content from influencers around their skill level helps to convey that the audience has their place in the community beyond just spectating. It's a great feeling when you see your favorite influencer play, and it makes you want to play instead of just watch.
@@scrangos Based comes from lilb the Based God. It doesn't mean intense, it means being yourself, not conforming to society and not letting others define you. Playing on stick is most definitely not based because it means that you are just doing what others did before you. You have to go out of your way to buy a stick, falling for boomer propaganda about how other input methods are inferior.
the difference between the east and west is that the east has a community mindset and pros go out of their way to share tech while in the west most pros keep their tech largely hidden and to themselves. at least that's how I remember it
I'm following a new VTuber named Masui Ameri and she's part of a unit called Happy Hunters Haven, who mainly play VALORANT. Her group along with some others (I assume also FPS scene) are being coached by Hatsume, MOV and Eita on a program called "SATURDAY NIGHT MATCH." I'm just surprised even a relatively new VTuber group who mainly play FPS games are getting in on this. What you mentioned above I just learned of after what I mentioned. It's crazy! I agree though; the content is great! Thanks for bringing attention to this Jiyuna. It's pretty fun interaction since I watch both FGC and VTuber content.
Feels weird to say, but the longer I've been in the FGC, the less I got hype about top players / tournaments and more hype watching new people pick up games. Seeing this happening is the most interested I've been in an FG event in a while
The Western/English FGC can be (and has been) it's own worst enemy when it comes to things like this. I'm in my mid 30s now, been part of the FG scene for almost 23 years and I find it awesome that there's so many people, new and returning, picking up fighting games again as I've gotten older. RC Cup was fantastic and I hope someone steps up it up like Jiyuna said.
Really show respect to those who influencer participate the CR cup. They can just keep doing their own stuff not necessary give a shot on this narrow fighting game genres. In this event most of them are not just participate and have some fun only. They are really learning seriously, asking for proper defense and offense approach and character strategy. Really got astonished that Korone San is learning classic mode with arcade stick, and winning something. Hope they can organize more this kind of event in the coming future.
Daigo's stream alone peaked near/around 60k views. Daigo's teammate, one of the biggest Japan FPS streamer Seki Yuta's stream views was also identical. This week since the preparation leading to CR Cup and the CR Cup itself has been such a blast, the Grand Final between Daigo's Team vs Fuudo's Team was one of the best SF Grand Final I've ever watched. Especially Daigo vs Fuudo. Daigo, in a burnout state, cornered, and only small health left was able to reverse Fuudo's 2-0 lead to win the GF. The screams from Daigo's teammate was crazy, Seki Yuta even cried when he heard Daigo's interview post match. Watching from coaches POV was also crazy good, I was also watching from Bonchan's stream. The coaches also screamed during the match lol. The atmosphere of the tournament is so crazy and I hope we can see more of these kind of events.
Chess had a huge upswell a few years ago due to PogChamps. This CR Cup is basically the same thing, but for sf6 in Japan. I'm sure something like this would be a huge success for NA.
Was watching the Botan stream the other day and that was so entertaining to watch. I remember watching her play Idol Showdown and having little clue how to play fighters to her improving so fast with some proper coaching. I am loving this content!
Chess did something similar with PogChamps a few years ago with grandmasters and international masters coaching influencers and streamers. People didn’t watch expecting expert or perfect play which took away the elitism barrier that stops new players from getting into it. Tournament format was round robin as opposed to typical FGC winners/losers bracket, and that ensured everyone involved got a decent number of games. I think the potential benefits for the pros who take on coaching role have to be emphasized too. With PogChamps a number of the pros did live commentary and lessons, with quite a few of them blowing up in terms of TH-cam or Twitch subs.
Yeah that's the closest I can think of in the west. But CR got more variety in their mix they got fps player, manga artist, models, cosplayers, vtuber, singers even mainstream celebrities. Just imagine getting their fanbase to watch them compete in one game. Watching several people who live in different worlds interact is the appeal.
So glad to see you make a video on CR Cup, because I've been watching fighting games since 2014 and am a huge fan of hololive lmao. Truly a bizarre crossing of paths in interests I never thought would have any overlap, but like you said it's such S tier content that I only wish more and more people get to see Korone's training arc is amazing and her team is such a good fit for her to grow as a player. Nanai and Kazunoko's coaching and the support from her other members is great to see as a fan of FGC and anime gamer dog girls.
Korone has made Massive improvements in her play just for this event. Legit She puts in time on and off stream and has trued her hardest to not only be good at the game but also be a good teammate. She is the best Doggo,
Korone is a great thing for people who are new to fighting games to see. It's definitely inspiring to see a beginner thrive in this way. We should have more stuff like that over here. Encouraging content creators who want to learn fighting games to participate in a tournament and bring their audience to watch is a great way to reach out. I think beginners see tournaments and get the vibe that fighting games are too hard and only for pros
Because obviously the western fgc is much more stuck in, toxic and full of ego issues. People would never bring themselves to reach out to newbies that way that's happening in Japan. Even if that includes much more popular streamers. That's totally unthinkable for a western fgc guy. Maybe except guys like Max, but he isn't really in the hardcore circle, he's at the border between both sides.
@@carlosaugusto9821 having people like Kazunoko, Daigo, Korone, popular FPS streamers, LoL streamers, other VTubers, etc. all in the same tournament is, you're right, unthinkable for the western fgc. I think, despite the organizers' best efforts, it would fail due to some reason or other. I would love to see it happen and succeed tho as I think we are just too afraid to have any fun
CR has been doing stuff like this for a some time now. Earlier this year they hosted a big RUST server that had all kind of Japanese streamers interacting from all kind of genres. Even actual celebrities joined the server to have fun. They also had bilingual EN speaking streamers for the first time (I think) on that RUST server. And in the last 3 years Hololive vtubers went viral on TH-cam and built a massive dedicated audience that's willing to watch anything from them. Korone has freaking Wyzardry streams vods with +300k views. There's a entire clipping community that translates highlights of their content and played a very important role in their international growth.
Not only that, said vtubers also get to be with more people in other industries. Korone is currently an ambassador for the Sonic franchise in Japan, has had Yuzo Koshiro made a theme for her, has done voicework in Sonic and Yokai Watch and commercials. Other vtubers get crossovers with brands and artists, get shows on TV, games and just another bit of the entertainment industry. Japan's culture is very different than in the West.
having a fighting game tournament of everyday content creators is pretty cool to see. I can also see that SF6 is a much more accessible fighting game that's attracting all the people who shyed away from fighting games in the past. Animeilluminati is pretty spot on about this
On steam alone, for the last 3+ weeks of release; Street Fighter 6 has had a daily player average of 30k with highs of 35k+ and lows during the AMs(US time) of 19k+. Since release, on steam; Street Fighter 6 has been pulling Mortal Kombat 11's highest life time player numbers as its average daily numbers! That's absurd and wonderful! Great fucking job Capcom! The battlehub with player interaction, additional game modes and older arcade titles, the custom characters and avatar battles is arguably the main asset here that is keeping player retention. Not to take away from the beautiful game gameplay loop of course lol Just all around what a superb fighting game package!
I think many western players will be reluctant to do this, especially on their own or to be the ones to take initiative. Many players' first question is going to be "will I get paid?" or "where's the money?". Western had like 6 cool prospects die down because people didn't want to play unless they got paid. Getting money is good, but not everything needs to be turned into a new hustle. This Vtuber + JP Pro Player thing is really cool.
How the fok have you not broke the 100k yet, the content is always so crisp and to the point. The algorithm is unfair sometimes. Anyway yea, agreed. We got Punk vs iDom on loop during SFV, and a new coat of paint isn't gonna make that more interesting.
Unfortunately this kind of thing can only work in Japan because Japan content makers have actual respect for the games they play. Western content makers are so much more concerned with being entertaining and having an ego that they will often do that at the expense of whatever game they're playing, which is good for them but rarely good for the game.
I mean its mainly cause we don't have a lot of big influencers that have an interest in fighting games. I don't know any vtubers besides calli and Ina that play any fgs really. From what I remember korone had an interest in fgs for awhile. I wouldn't say it's an ego thing but just fgs aren't as big in the west maybe besides mk and injustice
Even during SFV I noticed the Japanese player stream numbers were pretty big. They don't play around with SF. Didn't have as much of the growing pains with V as western players did and it seems to be paying off further for the Japanese in 6
I saw ArslanAsh on the CEO pool matches for SF6 and I was like, whoa. He's competing in SF, at least until Tekken 8 releases. I heard Pakistan also has a sleeper hit 2D fighters community, but his Cammy is pretty good. It's always nice to see the different communities overlap with one another.
Few things to understands, CR format is awesome to promote the game because it promotes the non pros of all skill level. The pros have a secondary role. Mains characters are the creators. Also, toxicity, trash talk is a big no no, they do it for fun within teammates during training but that’s it. You won’t hear them trash talk other players directly. Unless they basically want to commit social suicide. Friendly banter is the max you will see. Do you think that sowing to be possible in the west ? After so many decades promoting toxicity and trash talk as the blood of the sport scene ? The format is something you see in kendo for example, where you get the vanguard, 2nd vanguard, vice captain and captain. Since you play against position (vanguard vs vanguard etc…) it allows Lower ranked player have a chance to shine too, since they are playing the same role on the opposite side. And then you conclude with the captain match. You can also create narrative with that format eg: they sacrificed their vanguard by putting them on the captain’s seat, or you get a captain that tries to take save the honor by taking at least 1 point in case of failure etc… And that is the kind of thing needed to make something popular. That and the fact that training session and screaming are broadcasted helps hugely in creating story. (Hearing mentors impressed by their growth in literally 4 days) I think that’s also the kind of thing why Daigo said he wouldn’t be part of the cup for the first season, he can do so much more for the community in these kind of tournaments. Note: even the mentors are saying that to have SF6 part of the CR cup is like a dream, cause it proves that fighting game can be popular for the more casual audience too.
Regarding the last part you wrote, additional pro players like KOG, Shuuto and Higuchi (I think those were the guys) volunteered as coaches to help everyone else. Shuuto specifically was a big fan of the Vtubers so he was geeked out when had that opportunity.
@@nekogami87A LOT of them volunteered, while some got called by their team captain (Dogura summon Fenritti?, Daigo summon Mago at some point, Kazunoko summon Higuchi) I mean not to mention some of the FGC spiral in Japan also a huge Vtuber fans so ofc they willingly coach their oshi😂
Its definitely good to have casual content creators hop onto SF6, bringing attention from more causal players to give the game a healthy population and growth for longevity
This is such a great idea, really hope they'll do something over here. Anyway guys, today was the big day, the day I dared to play online. I've spent a lot of time in fighting games, mainly doing combo trials and sometimes playing with friends and family, but not nearly as much as I'd like. Anyway, I promised myself that SF6 was going to be the game when I took the leap into online. Playing Marisa with classical controls (no doubt I would benefit from modern, but I want to learn how to play the game "properly"). So, I played 20 games today. Out of 20, how many did I win? before I would've guessed anywhere from 0 to 3, but I actually won 11. I only got perfected once (didn't perfect anyone though). I'm so satisfied. So anyone who's in the same situation I was in, take the plunge, it's fun and it's not too bad. And combos.. I can do decent combos in theory, but for these matches I mainly relied on this awesome combo: target combo of 2 medium punches into a medium phalanx. It was good enough. I even managed to anti-air a handful of times.
Was definitely expecting it to be way bigger in the west in terms of non fighting game streamers playing the game. the FGC is the only esport where online viewership (the little there is) is carried by professional tournament players. There's barely any actual content creators who wanna have FUN with a video game, and that's really really bad for the image of the game and how the community forms around it. it is literally content made FOR seasoned fighting game veterans who have been playing for years, and are trying to be good and already know everything about fighting games. It would be really cool if the west learned from japan and try to put on these fun events to change the image of fighting games and grow the scene further.
Akami Karubi was the top viewed vtuber on twitch because of this event, even when Ironmouse is doing her subathon. FPS_Shaka also reached 60k views, all these JP streamers are getting more views than the usual top streamers because of SF6, fighting games are actually becoming a huge thing outside of just the FGC, it's hype.
Even before this event Karubi actually reached her all time high viewership in Twitch at almost 30k conccurent viewers when she participated in the REJECT FIGHT NIGHT together with Umehara Daigo as one of her teammates and Shuto as her coach.
As a fan of Kazunoko and Hololive my mind was blown when I saw the collab. Seeing players like Korone and Botan grow over these last few days is comforting to me. Feel good content. I know on the EN side Koe has reached out multiple times. Calli and Ina from HoloEN enjoy Guilty Gear Strive but hackerman messed with the stream unfortunately.
To my understanding, it's not a hacker man, but hacker man's bot that acts whenever big name streamers play the game, in order to fuck with their connection during a stream
I agree, we have no fun events. Its all online tournaments week in week out. Twitch did it with Chess where they took big streamers and had them trained by pro chess players then had them compete.
My college has an esports team but they only do shooters. I'm trying to get them to include fighting games, and think it would be cool to not just play with other people locally but teach some people who want to learn
No shit Dogura just dropped some fgc lore on Botan last night 1 hour straight. They just stopped playing and talked for an hour on various topic. I'm trying to say it's entertaining beyond just the game.
As I said on the video Obama put out about the same subject, it's more of a cultural difference between East and West. In Japan, Vtubers are entertainers with extra layers on and they're not just contained to virtual space: They show up on TV, got radio shows and their music plays on regular radio stations, they can do voice acting work on an anime or TV show, they can interview mainstream celebrities, they can have promotions with big brands and artists and nobody bats an eye about it. In the west you can't like anime without having to be ironic about it, especially if it isn't your regular action anime. You can't like a character or show without being told you are a criminal, you can't even have stuff translated accurately in English.
Wolf glick (professional pokemon player) did put together a pokemon tournament with content creators like ludwig and jaiden animations and even though the vod is 11 hours long it has 808k views and the edited video on his channel has 1.3 million views. Even though they would sometimes dabble in pokemon related content like nuzlockes, seeing them in a competitive environment was amazing content.
Andrew, you should manage this event in the west if you have the time. Talk to Twitch and DO IT. Gather some people together to make this happen and in your channel. You can cycle between their channels and comment about it. Maybe chat with them a little when you restream. Would be cool asf if possible. Talk to Maximillian... I don't know. Timezone for you would be a pain, I imagine. "is korone a jp player" in the chat made me laugh out loud. XD
Damn, you’re definitely right. It’s also so like western culture to NOT collaborate and just focus on being the best player and tournament lol. Even my local scene has like 8 monthlies This kind of content is more fun for me too, as a longtime competitor. I enjoy more about fighting games than just the deep sweatiness. Seeing someone discover and enjoy the things I like is really the peak of content and can bring us back to remembering why we’re here (it’s not to win $1 million)
@@lionelk.y7233 It was great watching her have absolutely 0 clue how to deal with Blanka in scrims, spend hours upon hours practicing ways to deal with Blanka and taking that same Blanka to 9 rounds in tournament.
@@lionelk.y7233 If you think about it that is a great evolution of how a beginner slowly transforms themselves to an intermediate player. The type of questions they ask for advice becomes more concise and applicable to what they want to achieve.
Also the best time to do this kind of thing is now, when the game is still new and fresh in casual players' minds. FGC content is too focused on high-level, competitive play. Too much focus on the e-sports side of things, while an event like the CR Cup showcases that you don't need to be a world-class player to have fun with the game. You don't need to be a high-level player to have fun with players who are better than you. You don't need to be some kind of gaming genius in order to learn to play fighting games. Why are the biggest FGC content creators where they are, it's not because they're the best fighting game players, but because they create content that successfully branches out and engages a wider audience. The bits and pieces of players getting ready I've seen so far really encapsulate that feeling of playing with your friends: being excited to see them just hit a combo, to just AA successfully, or eke out a close round. That these VTubers and other big streamers are being coached by some of the best players on Earth is just the cherry on top.
I don't play SF6. But this is really good news because when SF does well other fighting games benefit from its success. I'd like to see an actual FGC league to watch aside from just tournaments.
Doggo is a arcade gamer and improved so much since the start, really fun to watch. Botan on the other hand is a total new player that mainly plays fps and plays with default new controller (so what most people would start with). I think both pov's are amazing for viewers as the pro scene looks almost scripted sometimes and isn't that interesting to watch as someone who has no clue what combos are hard and what are easy but look hard.
The Sheeva stomp is one a top 10 FGC moments of time. We need tha girl in SF6 to get SPD or throw looped in the corner. Being serious now, this is the right moment to do something like this for SF while the game is still new and very popular.. Because up until now, the only FG that was big enough and got huge casual community interested was MK11.
5 hours later, the numbers don't look like this. However, I do agree with the rest of the video. I've spoken to plenty of people who play FPS types and try to get them into fighting games. Time after time, none of them are remotely interested, either due to lack of experience/exposure/willingness to try, or trauma because a friend they had beat them and didn't try to help or make the experience fun. I've even bought games, on multiple occasions. They either play it once and never again, or spaced so far apart in playthoughs that they're treading the same day-one waters, 6-12 months later. Its begs the question... Even if somehow, you got these streamers to play these games, what is the carry-over to the viewers? How long will they watch, or just come back when the usual FPS game is back up. Minds need to be changed. Beats me on how. I think the World tour mode, in-game tutorials, and modern controls is enough, but you still gotta get people to buy the game and try it for themselves. Then, even after they do all that, it's, "You know, I've spent all this time in Modern... I really don't wanna have to go back and re-learn classic controls."
The point in a way is to want to experience playing and learning a FG like they do which is a social one. The West especially with new players have been ingrained in their minds that the best way to learn FGs is to buy the product, tinker around, learn how the training mode features work, play rank sets and gather data and rinse + repeat. There is a whole different mindset when you learn and play FGs with someone who is in your similar skill level and against someone whose a higher skill level. Especially when you can get immediate feedback on things you do in forms of coaching.
There are some English vtubers who are also getting into FGs, Machina X Flayon holds weekly lobbies for different games and it's fun to both watch and play. Tourneys can be fun but sometimes people just want to hit buttons.
Just look how well received the Granblue Fantasy Versus video that trended a few months back. You can actually make FG content interesting for casual gamers.
Korone open fif fighting games since SF5. I like that she has kept her interest in the genre. By the way, have you tried the free fighting game with HoloLive characters? Characters include Botan and Korone.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATIOn the mainstream occurance yes, but at the tournament itself, 2 Vtuber (Kuzuha and Korone) both got 70k CCV, the fleshtuber side (kinda) that have the same CCV were also only 2 of them which is Daigo himself and streamer from CR itself DarumaIsGod... So I don't think the FPS player is necessarily bigger than the Vtuber side of things, because it's kinda mind-blowing that 70k people would rather watch goofy beginner gameplay than the good ones
That feeling when you realize you're in a timeline where Kazunoko picked up tech from Korone
I dont want to live anymore
@@jcdeton72put your money where your mouth is
Vtubers always had the biggest viewership for fighting games, sakura miko pulls 60k viewers for soul calibur 6 and WWE all the time.
@@jcdeton72 Step back from the edge this is great news and the future is bright!
What tech was it
It's really awesome seeing the wholesome interaction of Pros like Kazunoko, Daigo, Fuudo and Dogura coach vtubers, fps streamers and LoL streamers and everyone having fun and learning at the same time. It's also super dope how this event got a lot of people outside the FGC interested into fighting games.
Also genshin player
@@reostars00nah, there's no underage characters to attract them.
@@ihvdrm Lily looks pretty small ..... just saying.
If the content surrounding a game focuses too much on pro play it turns the audience into viewers and not participants which harms retention. Fighting games really need their big content creators to step outside of the pro scene more often for videos and streams the way Sajam does for Will It Kill or Majin does with his stories. It is a lot more of a chore to do that kind of relatable content than just playing an online tournament or queuing up for ranked for 8 hours straight but the scene needs it to grow.
It only works for starcraft and even that isn't nearly as strong as it once was.
But fgs started with ultra sweaty nerds. So the communities are totally unfamiliar with that concept. It's a different reality for many people. Which is also why I believe many of them might even be against your idea, just out of a self defense instinct. To keep things the way they always were.
100%
@@Nostalgiaforinfi Actually, not really. The Korean Brood War scene is built off of casual streaming these days, with pros doing money matches against other people on the ladder or custom games and other casual content. Starcraft itself had been carried by people who watch pro games and then log in to play Big Game Hunter or AoS or 4 player matches. The myth that Starcraft is only about the top tier pros is why Blizzard completely bungled Starcraft 2.
I honestly never thought of fighting games that way. It seems so obvious now that when you watch high level play so much, it gives you the false impression that you need to be close to that level to have fun with the game. It has never been the furthest from that case than now. Seeing more content from influencers around their skill level helps to convey that the audience has their place in the community beyond just spectating. It's a great feeling when you see your favorite influencer play, and it makes you want to play instead of just watch.
Really proud of Korone. She's actually getting really good! Plus, she's playing Classic on a stick. Unbelievably based.
Playing on stick isn't based, its conforming to the norm. Keyboard is based.
how tf is stick based, pad is at this point
@@benjamin-papa i dunno, buying a stick just to try out fighting games is pretty intense
@@scrangos Based comes from lilb the Based God. It doesn't mean intense, it means being yourself, not conforming to society and not letting others define you. Playing on stick is most definitely not based because it means that you are just doing what others did before you. You have to go out of your way to buy a stick, falling for boomer propaganda about how other input methods are inferior.
playing keyboard with reversed controls, using your feet is based
4:14
"Well I'm lazy, I'm not going to do it"
Now expand that to almost every FGC in western
All it takes is one!
Korone + Botan have been killing it, super happy to see them learning & improving, and being supported by their team & fans all the way through!
Inugami-san🤣
Kuzuha and Imbrahim too
the difference between the east and west is that the east has a community mindset and pros go out of their way to share tech while in the west most pros keep their tech largely hidden and to themselves. at least that's how I remember it
I'm following a new VTuber named Masui Ameri and she's part of a unit called Happy Hunters Haven, who mainly play VALORANT. Her group along with some others (I assume also FPS scene) are being coached by Hatsume, MOV and Eita on a program called "SATURDAY NIGHT MATCH."
I'm just surprised even a relatively new VTuber group who mainly play FPS games are getting in on this. What you mentioned above I just learned of after what I mentioned. It's crazy! I agree though; the content is great!
Thanks for bringing attention to this Jiyuna. It's pretty fun interaction since I watch both FGC and VTuber content.
Feels weird to say, but the longer I've been in the FGC, the less I got hype about top players / tournaments and more hype watching new people pick up games. Seeing this happening is the most interested I've been in an FG event in a while
The Western/English FGC can be (and has been) it's own worst enemy when it comes to things like this. I'm in my mid 30s now, been part of the FG scene for almost 23 years and I find it awesome that there's so many people, new and returning, picking up fighting games again as I've gotten older. RC Cup was fantastic and I hope someone steps up it up like Jiyuna said.
Really show respect to those who influencer participate the CR cup.
They can just keep doing their own stuff not necessary give a shot on this narrow fighting game genres.
In this event most of them are not just participate and have some fun only.
They are really learning seriously, asking for proper defense and offense approach and character strategy. Really got astonished that Korone San is learning classic mode with arcade stick, and winning something.
Hope they can organize more this kind of event in the coming future.
Daigo's stream alone peaked near/around 60k views. Daigo's teammate, one of the biggest Japan FPS streamer Seki Yuta's stream views was also identical. This week since the preparation leading to CR Cup and the CR Cup itself has been such a blast, the Grand Final between Daigo's Team vs Fuudo's Team was one of the best SF Grand Final I've ever watched. Especially Daigo vs Fuudo. Daigo, in a burnout state, cornered, and only small health left was able to reverse Fuudo's 2-0 lead to win the GF. The screams from Daigo's teammate was crazy, Seki Yuta even cried when he heard Daigo's interview post match. Watching from coaches POV was also crazy good, I was also watching from Bonchan's stream. The coaches also screamed during the match lol. The atmosphere of the tournament is so crazy and I hope we can see more of these kind of events.
Chess had a huge upswell a few years ago due to PogChamps. This CR Cup is basically the same thing, but for sf6 in Japan. I'm sure something like this would be a huge success for NA.
Great video topic, this is the kind of content that is unique and exceedingly interesting, well done.
I am rooting hard for our girl Korone
Was watching the Botan stream the other day and that was so entertaining to watch. I remember watching her play Idol Showdown and having little clue how to play fighters to her improving so fast with some proper coaching. I am loving this content!
Chess did something similar with PogChamps a few years ago with grandmasters and international masters coaching influencers and streamers. People didn’t watch expecting expert or perfect play which took away the elitism barrier that stops new players from getting into it. Tournament format was round robin as opposed to typical FGC winners/losers bracket, and that ensured everyone involved got a decent number of games. I think the potential benefits for the pros who take on coaching role have to be emphasized too. With PogChamps a number of the pros did live commentary and lessons, with quite a few of them blowing up in terms of TH-cam or Twitch subs.
Yeah that's the closest I can think of in the west. But CR got more variety in their mix they got fps player, manga artist, models, cosplayers, vtuber, singers even mainstream celebrities. Just imagine getting their fanbase to watch them compete in one game. Watching several people who live in different worlds interact is the appeal.
So glad to see you make a video on CR Cup, because I've been watching fighting games since 2014 and am a huge fan of hololive lmao. Truly a bizarre crossing of paths in interests I never thought would have any overlap, but like you said it's such S tier content that I only wish more and more people get to see
Korone's training arc is amazing and her team is such a good fit for her to grow as a player. Nanai and Kazunoko's coaching and the support from her other members is great to see as a fan of FGC and anime gamer dog girls.
Korone has made Massive improvements in her play just for this event. Legit She puts in time on and off stream and has trued her hardest to not only be good at the game but also be a good teammate. She is the best Doggo,
truly mans' best friend
Korone is a great thing for people who are new to fighting games to see. It's definitely inspiring to see a beginner thrive in this way. We should have more stuff like that over here. Encouraging content creators who want to learn fighting games to participate in a tournament and bring their audience to watch is a great way to reach out. I think beginners see tournaments and get the vibe that fighting games are too hard and only for pros
Because obviously the western fgc is much more stuck in, toxic and full of ego issues. People would never bring themselves to reach out to newbies that way that's happening in Japan. Even if that includes much more popular streamers. That's totally unthinkable for a western fgc guy. Maybe except guys like Max, but he isn't really in the hardcore circle, he's at the border between both sides.
@@carlosaugusto9821 we literally just had the AT&T SFV newbies with pros tournament last year. What in the fuck are you talking about?
@@carlosaugusto9821 having people like Kazunoko, Daigo, Korone, popular FPS streamers, LoL streamers, other VTubers, etc. all in the same tournament is, you're right, unthinkable for the western fgc. I think, despite the organizers' best efforts, it would fail due to some reason or other. I would love to see it happen and succeed tho as I think we are just too afraid to have any fun
pro players coach millionaire streamers to fight other millionaire streamers, its ez content
CR has been doing stuff like this for a some time now. Earlier this year they hosted a big RUST server that had all kind of Japanese streamers interacting from all kind of genres. Even actual celebrities joined the server to have fun. They also had bilingual EN speaking streamers for the first time (I think) on that RUST server.
And in the last 3 years Hololive vtubers went viral on TH-cam and built a massive dedicated audience that's willing to watch anything from them. Korone has freaking Wyzardry streams vods with +300k views. There's a entire clipping community that translates highlights of their content and played a very important role in their international growth.
Not only that, said vtubers also get to be with more people in other industries. Korone is currently an ambassador for the Sonic franchise in Japan, has had Yuzo Koshiro made a theme for her, has done voicework in Sonic and Yokai Watch and commercials. Other vtubers get crossovers with brands and artists, get shows on TV, games and just another bit of the entertainment industry. Japan's culture is very different than in the West.
Yes! I’ve been saying this for years. Someone like yipes or Justin should do something with SF with non fg players or even play other people’s games.
And now they have. Justin vs the 3 idiots and yipes vs T Pain
having a fighting game tournament of everyday content creators is pretty cool to see. I can also see that SF6 is a much more accessible fighting game that's attracting all the people who shyed away from fighting games in the past. Animeilluminati is pretty spot on about this
First......
Vtubers, FPS, LoL and the FGC joining forces because of this event.
Its really fun watch them grow I wanna see more of that :)
When your favorite Oshi becomes top Street Fighter player 🤣
thanks Jiyuna this positive energy is making me really hopeful for Siete in GBVS Rising
On steam alone, for the last 3+ weeks of release; Street Fighter 6 has had a daily player average of 30k with highs of 35k+ and lows during the AMs(US time) of 19k+. Since release, on steam; Street Fighter 6 has been pulling Mortal Kombat 11's highest life time player numbers as its average daily numbers! That's absurd and wonderful! Great fucking job Capcom! The battlehub with player interaction, additional game modes and older arcade titles, the custom characters and avatar battles is arguably the main asset here that is keeping player retention. Not to take away from the beautiful game gameplay loop of course lol
Just all around what a superb fighting game package!
I think many western players will be reluctant to do this, especially on their own or to be the ones to take initiative. Many players' first question is going to be "will I get paid?" or "where's the money?". Western had like 6 cool prospects die down because people didn't want to play unless they got paid. Getting money is good, but not everything needs to be turned into a new hustle. This Vtuber + JP Pro Player thing is really cool.
Jiyuna you have your finger on the pulse. I think you underrate yourself, my guy. You can do this thing you're asking others to do.
CEO SF6 tournament : 50,000
VTubers SF6: 250,000
It broke 500k+.
How the fok have you not broke the 100k yet, the content is always so crisp and to the point. The algorithm is unfair sometimes. Anyway yea, agreed. We got Punk vs iDom on loop during SFV, and a new coat of paint isn't gonna make that more interesting.
Unfortunately this kind of thing can only work in Japan because Japan content makers have actual respect for the games they play. Western content makers are so much more concerned with being entertaining and having an ego that they will often do that at the expense of whatever game they're playing, which is good for them but rarely good for the game.
I mean its mainly cause we don't have a lot of big influencers that have an interest in fighting games. I don't know any vtubers besides calli and Ina that play any fgs really. From what I remember korone had an interest in fgs for awhile. I wouldn't say it's an ego thing but just fgs aren't as big in the west maybe besides mk and injustice
They just don't play fighting games bruda
Even during SFV I noticed the Japanese player stream numbers were pretty big. They don't play around with SF. Didn't have as much of the growing pains with V as western players did and it seems to be paying off further for the Japanese in 6
When can we expect Jiyuna-chan's debut stream?!
thanks for covering this!
I saw ArslanAsh on the CEO pool matches for SF6 and I was like, whoa. He's competing in SF, at least until Tekken 8 releases. I heard Pakistan also has a sleeper hit 2D fighters community, but his Cammy is pretty good. It's always nice to see the different communities overlap with one another.
Few things to understands, CR format is awesome to promote the game because it promotes the non pros of all skill level. The pros have a secondary role. Mains characters are the creators.
Also, toxicity, trash talk is a big no no, they do it for fun within teammates during training but that’s it. You won’t hear them trash talk other players directly. Unless they basically want to commit social suicide. Friendly banter is the max you will see. Do you think that sowing to be possible in the west ? After so many decades promoting toxicity and trash talk as the blood of the sport scene ?
The format is something you see in kendo for example, where you get the vanguard, 2nd vanguard, vice captain and captain.
Since you play against position (vanguard vs vanguard etc…) it allows Lower ranked player have a chance to shine too, since they are playing the same role on the opposite side. And then you conclude with the captain match.
You can also create narrative with that format eg: they sacrificed their vanguard by putting them on the captain’s seat, or you get a captain that tries to take save the honor by taking at least 1 point in case of failure etc…
And that is the kind of thing needed to make something popular. That and the fact that training session and screaming are broadcasted helps hugely in creating story. (Hearing mentors impressed by their growth in literally 4 days)
I think that’s also the kind of thing why Daigo said he wouldn’t be part of the cup for the first season, he can do so much more for the community in these kind of tournaments.
Note: even the mentors are saying that to have SF6 part of the CR cup is like a dream, cause it proves that fighting game can be popular for the more casual audience too.
Regarding the last part you wrote, additional pro players like KOG, Shuuto and Higuchi (I think those were the guys) volunteered as coaches to help everyone else. Shuuto specifically was a big fan of the Vtubers so he was geeked out when had that opportunity.
@@t4d0W oh they volunteered ? Didn't know that.
@@nekogami87A LOT of them volunteered, while some got called by their team captain (Dogura summon Fenritti?, Daigo summon Mago at some point, Kazunoko summon Higuchi)
I mean not to mention some of the FGC spiral in Japan also a huge Vtuber fans so ofc they willingly coach their oshi😂
Just saw Korone stream with 60k+ viewers on it. HOLY! Take notes Murica. This is how you save the FGC.
Its definitely good to have casual content creators hop onto SF6, bringing attention from more causal players to give the game a healthy population and growth for longevity
This is such a great idea, really hope they'll do something over here.
Anyway guys, today was the big day, the day I dared to play online. I've spent a lot of time in fighting games, mainly doing combo trials and sometimes playing with friends and family, but not nearly as much as I'd like. Anyway, I promised myself that SF6 was going to be the game when I took the leap into online. Playing Marisa with classical controls (no doubt I would benefit from modern, but I want to learn how to play the game "properly"). So, I played 20 games today. Out of 20, how many did I win? before I would've guessed anywhere from 0 to 3, but I actually won 11. I only got perfected once (didn't perfect anyone though). I'm so satisfied. So anyone who's in the same situation I was in, take the plunge, it's fun and it's not too bad.
And combos.. I can do decent combos in theory, but for these matches I mainly relied on this awesome combo: target combo of 2 medium punches into a medium phalanx. It was good enough. I even managed to anti-air a handful of times.
Was definitely expecting it to be way bigger in the west in terms of non fighting game streamers playing the game. the FGC is the only esport where online viewership (the little there is) is carried by professional tournament players. There's barely any actual content creators who wanna have FUN with a video game, and that's really really bad for the image of the game and how the community forms around it. it is literally content made FOR seasoned fighting game veterans who have been playing for years, and are trying to be good and already know everything about fighting games. It would be really cool if the west learned from japan and try to put on these fun events to change the image of fighting games and grow the scene further.
Akami Karubi was the top viewed vtuber on twitch because of this event, even when Ironmouse is doing her subathon. FPS_Shaka also reached 60k views, all these JP streamers are getting more views than the usual top streamers because of SF6, fighting games are actually becoming a huge thing outside of just the FGC, it's hype.
Everyone wins.
Even before this event Karubi actually reached her all time high viewership in Twitch at almost 30k conccurent viewers when she participated in the REJECT FIGHT NIGHT together with Umehara Daigo as one of her teammates and Shuto as her coach.
This event made me go from not caring about V-tubers to being a Korone simp.
If Chess can stay relevant with casual tournaments with professional coaches, we really don't have an excuse.
Jiyuna is so dedicated to his duty as the FGC's Messiah figure. FR tho! He is always in savior-mode. I ❤ it!
I was hoping this was happening, thanks for the news!
As a fan of Kazunoko and Hololive my mind was blown when I saw the collab. Seeing players like Korone and Botan grow over these last few days is comforting to me. Feel good content. I know on the EN side Koe has reached out multiple times. Calli and Ina from HoloEN enjoy Guilty Gear Strive but hackerman messed with the stream unfortunately.
Wow I didn’t know hackerman got them too.
To my understanding, it's not a hacker man, but hacker man's bot that acts whenever big name streamers play the game, in order to fuck with their connection during a stream
That’s an extreme level of toxicity that I didn’t know existed until today
Similar to how chess blew up with the PogChamps. That is one of the blueprints to make the community bigger
This is the cross cultural pollination we needed
I agree, we have no fun events. Its all online tournaments week in week out. Twitch did it with Chess where they took big streamers and had them trained by pro chess players then had them compete.
This is the kind of thing that Panda would be great at organizing. Whatever happened to them?
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Bro I've never wished too know japanese more in my entire life , Japanese players are so entertaining to watch
jyuna it's about time you put on the dog costume
The biggest on twitch is amazing
It's nice seeing so many people playing the game
You're right about the tournaments and with each one it takes away from the bigger tournaments
Yup, it’s stale.
Avatar battles tournaments with non FGC people. Habe them customize their characters and fight together afterward.
My college has an esports team but they only do shooters. I'm trying to get them to include fighting games, and think it would be cool to not just play with other people locally but teach some people who want to learn
i would love to see stuff like this, personally, I am not good with fighting games but enjoy watching them. This would be great to have
No shit Dogura just dropped some fgc lore on Botan last night 1 hour straight. They just stopped playing and talked for an hour on various topic.
I'm trying to say it's entertaining beyond just the game.
Scarra (League/TFT) playing GGST made me tune in on his Twitch. Love newcomer content !
Korone make me buy SF6 and im learning to play fighting game for the first time
As I said on the video Obama put out about the same subject, it's more of a cultural difference between East and West. In Japan, Vtubers are entertainers with extra layers on and they're not just contained to virtual space: They show up on TV, got radio shows and their music plays on regular radio stations, they can do voice acting work on an anime or TV show, they can interview mainstream celebrities, they can have promotions with big brands and artists and nobody bats an eye about it.
In the west you can't like anime without having to be ironic about it, especially if it isn't your regular action anime. You can't like a character or show without being told you are a criminal, you can't even have stuff translated accurately in English.
I’m not saying you need VTubers, just that FGC needs to reach out to other communities.
Wolf glick (professional pokemon player) did put together a pokemon tournament with content creators like ludwig and jaiden animations and even though the vod is 11 hours long it has 808k views and the edited video on his channel has 1.3 million views. Even though they would sometimes dabble in pokemon related content like nuzlockes, seeing them in a competitive environment was amazing content.
Makes me incredibly happy
Vtuber commentator DLC. You heard it here first
Andrew, you should manage this event in the west if you have the time. Talk to Twitch and DO IT.
Gather some people together to make this happen and in your channel. You can cycle between their channels and comment about it. Maybe chat with them a little when you restream. Would be cool asf if possible. Talk to Maximillian... I don't know.
Timezone for you would be a pain, I imagine.
"is korone a jp player" in the chat made me laugh out loud. XD
Damn, you’re definitely right. It’s also so like western culture to NOT collaborate and just focus on being the best player and tournament lol. Even my local scene has like 8 monthlies
This kind of content is more fun for me too, as a longtime competitor. I enjoy more about fighting games than just the deep sweatiness. Seeing someone discover and enjoy the things I like is really the peak of content and can bring us back to remembering why we’re here (it’s not to win $1 million)
Korone is quite a natural at it.
ANIMEILLUMINATI Vtuber model when
There's some good clips out there of Kazunoko genuinely being impressed by Korone. She's actually been doing pretty well, and is a solid player.
Korone is basically the perfect student. She's extremely patient, doesn't get salty when she loses and gets INCREDIBLY excited when she wins.
One thing love is that once she loses to a certain character. She immediately asks Kazunoko "How do I beat this character?"
@@lionelk.y7233 It was great watching her have absolutely 0 clue how to deal with Blanka in scrims, spend hours upon hours practicing ways to deal with Blanka and taking that same Blanka to 9 rounds in tournament.
@@lionelk.y7233 If you think about it that is a great evolution of how a beginner slowly transforms themselves to an intermediate player. The type of questions they ask for advice becomes more concise and applicable to what they want to achieve.
I legit was just watching a vid of Korone and Botan playing then saw this pop up in my notifications lol
Bring in Gawr Gura that'll be hyped af. She'll be jumping all over the place while kettle screaming to avoid getting hit lol 😂.
You tune into a western stream, Sajam on commentary. you tune in here, sajam again. you watch a gameshow - it's WiK... With sajam
People in the west definitely NEED to pick up on this casual content collab vibe it's a content goldmine
The answer to expanding FGC is clear MORE VTUBERS
The Hungry Clicker Art Buff was real... Korone sweep
The main thing is that ... SF6 is a DAMN GOOD GAME. MK1 and Tekken 8 are gonna have a very hard time this gen.
Fully agree! FGC needs this as well as casual friendly games like SF6.
Also the best time to do this kind of thing is now, when the game is still new and fresh in casual players' minds.
FGC content is too focused on high-level, competitive play. Too much focus on the e-sports side of things, while an event like the CR Cup showcases that you don't need to be a world-class player to have fun with the game. You don't need to be a high-level player to have fun with players who are better than you. You don't need to be some kind of gaming genius in order to learn to play fighting games. Why are the biggest FGC content creators where they are, it's not because they're the best fighting game players, but because they create content that successfully branches out and engages a wider audience.
The bits and pieces of players getting ready I've seen so far really encapsulate that feeling of playing with your friends: being excited to see them just hit a combo, to just AA successfully, or eke out a close round. That these VTubers and other big streamers are being coached by some of the best players on Earth is just the cherry on top.
Exactly.
Makes sense.
Let´s get tenz, shroud, pokimane, etc... playing sf6
I don't play SF6. But this is really good news because when SF does well other fighting games benefit from its success. I'd like to see an actual FGC league to watch aside from just tournaments.
This was a nice video dude
Daigo the goat still doing well is amazing to see.
Doggo is a arcade gamer and improved so much since the start, really fun to watch.
Botan on the other hand is a total new player that mainly plays fps and plays with default new controller (so what most people would start with).
I think both pov's are amazing for viewers as the pro scene looks almost scripted sometimes and isn't that interesting to watch as someone who has no clue what combos are hard and what are easy but look hard.
4:14 we need the modern controls equivalent of running events 😂
The Sheeva stomp is one a top 10 FGC moments of time. We need tha girl in SF6 to get SPD or throw looped in the corner.
Being serious now, this is the right moment to do something like this for SF while the game is still new and very popular.. Because up until now, the only FG that was big enough and got huge casual community interested was MK11.
3:40 "It was a super fun, great and awesome time for all of us except the crying girl" 😮🤨
not subbed to korone??
5 hours later, the numbers don't look like this. However, I do agree with the rest of the video. I've spoken to plenty of people who play FPS types and try to get them into fighting games. Time after time, none of them are remotely interested, either due to lack of experience/exposure/willingness to try, or trauma because a friend they had beat them and didn't try to help or make the experience fun. I've even bought games, on multiple occasions. They either play it once and never again, or spaced so far apart in playthoughs that they're treading the same day-one waters, 6-12 months later. Its begs the question... Even if somehow, you got these streamers to play these games, what is the carry-over to the viewers? How long will they watch, or just come back when the usual FPS game is back up. Minds need to be changed. Beats me on how. I think the World tour mode, in-game tutorials, and modern controls is enough, but you still gotta get people to buy the game and try it for themselves.
Then, even after they do all that, it's, "You know, I've spent all this time in Modern... I really don't wanna have to go back and re-learn classic controls."
All you can do is introduce as many people as you can and those who want to stay, will.
The point in a way is to want to experience playing and learning a FG like they do which is a social one. The West especially with new players have been ingrained in their minds that the best way to learn FGs is to buy the product, tinker around, learn how the training mode features work, play rank sets and gather data and rinse + repeat. There is a whole different mindset when you learn and play FGs with someone who is in your similar skill level and against someone whose a higher skill level. Especially when you can get immediate feedback on things you do in forms of coaching.
The streaming numbers are hella good. The CR cup had a total of 270k views atm
There are some English vtubers who are also getting into FGs, Machina X Flayon holds weekly lobbies for different games and it's fun to both watch and play. Tourneys can be fun but sometimes people just want to hit buttons.
I love Vtubers and Vtuber content.
Korone is pretty good. I'm really amazed.
Cool to see a CR Cup for SF6 after Apex, Apex, Apex, Valo, OW, Apex. Didn't really occur to me that they'd do one.
so glad kuzuha and kanae are part of beast children, best recognize best
Just look how well received the Granblue Fantasy Versus video that trended a few months back. You can actually make FG content interesting for casual gamers.
Korone open fif fighting games since SF5. I like that she has kept her interest in the genre. By the way, have you tried the free fighting game with HoloLive characters? Characters include Botan and Korone.
Yes, I messed around with it when it was released.
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Tournaments aren't the main pilar.
In fact, most of new players dont want to join tournaments!
Turns out the thing that would make fighting games mainstream was vtubers. Koefficient was right all along.
The FPS players are bigger than the VTubers, even though they are unknown in the West.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATIOn the mainstream occurance yes, but at the tournament itself, 2 Vtuber (Kuzuha and Korone) both got 70k CCV, the fleshtuber side (kinda) that have the same CCV were also only 2 of them which is Daigo himself and streamer from CR itself DarumaIsGod...
So I don't think the FPS player is necessarily bigger than the Vtuber side of things, because it's kinda mind-blowing that 70k people would rather watch goofy beginner gameplay than the good ones
Damn, I need to play some more Idol Showdown XD