In order to save both the Geth and Quarians, you must meet ALL of the following basic requirements: 1) You must import a save file from ME 2 (including the following outcomes in #2 & 3) 2) Tali must not be exiled in ME2 3) You must activate Legion in ME2 4) Tali and Legion must survive the final mission of the game 5) Shepard must have at least 4 bars of reputation score in ME3 6) You must complete the quest Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons ALSO, you need to score at least 5 points from the list below, which I refer to as the "Peace Scoreboard." If you have less than 5 points then peace will not be possible: 1) ME2 - If Tali is exonerated at her trial and not exiled (+2 points) 2) ME2 - Destroy Geth heretics during Legion: A House Divided (+2 points) 3) ME2 - Resolve confrontation between Tali and Legion without choosing a side (requires renegade or paragon speech check) (+1 point) 4) ME3 - Rescue Admiral Koris on Rannoch, NOT his crew (+1 point) 5) ME3 - Complete Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons (+1 point) This info comes from the Mass Effect Fandom wiki and has been confirmed by my own experience on three separate playthroughs masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Priority:_Rannoch MASS EFFECT 2 - HOW TO SAVE EVERYONE DURING FINAL MISSION th-cam.com/video/EPVP1K8Ti3s/w-d-xo.html
beeg dan putting the tutorial in the comments section? legendary beeg dan. if you put them down here many won't spend as much time on your video, lowering your chances of being recommended by the algorithm - but as a viewer i adore you for it and hope you never stop :) I look forward to this channel soaring once the legendary edition is out. best of luck!
@@blaubeer8039 They are only actually sentient or intelligent when in groups. The upgrade makes an individual Geth fully sentient even without other Geth to share processing. Also you seem to have missed what happened with Legion its not that his platform was broken by what happened, hell another Geth could easily take over it and it'd probably work just fine. Its the software the thing that mad Legion, Legion that was broken down in order to grant full sentience to every Geth. Sounds like you had trouble following what was going on.
@@blaubeer8039 I think you’re right about contrivance but I think Legion’s sacrifice makes sense. Making all Geth intelligent with Reaper code is kinda nonsensical? Since it implies the Geth were only sapient because of the Reapers, but their questions of souls and personality originated hundreds of years before the Reapers were a threat to this cycle. So they were intelligent before. Why do they need the Reaper code to function? That said, if they required a code to achieve sapience, it makes sense that Legion would need to upload itself. Since it functions differently from other Geth. Legion says that most Geth mobile platforms run hundreds of programs, but that it runs thousands, and that it isn’t always connected to the network. It has the most Geth programs running isolated from the network for the longest time. It’s a very complicated and advanced Geth, so it makes sense why it would need to upload its personality, developed by living isolated from the network, to improve the Geth. But I don’t get exactly what was improved? Like.. is it just that every Geth platform can be sapient separate from the network like Legion? Or that every Geth _program_ is now Sapient? Or that the hundreds of programs per each platform are now one personality per platform? I think that any of those _could_ still be an interesting AI race, but Bioware never explains what any of it means.
@@JyujinPlus 1. The Reapers have long been influencing the galaxy before the trilogy, look at the Rachni War for that, as the Queen if you save her tells you as much. 2. It's not that they're sapient is the issue, the Geth actually somewhat lack sentience ironically enough. They can reason, can understand, and have experiences of the world around them, but unlike true AI in this series they can't really emote like most organic creatures, a key trait for true sentience. The Geth are more like hundreds of simple VI that function by supporting processes. The Reaper code in turn helps them achieve true sentience.
@@willofthewinds3222 I know the Geth are hundreds of VIs, but the way they act and are described makes it sound like they were sentient already. Perhaps I’m biased because I’m emotionally attached to my sweet Metal boys, but it sounds like the way the Geth are, every individual Geth is like a neuron in a brain. And when they network they become a brain. In that regard they would be no less sapient than us. Aside from emotion, I suppose. So does the upgrade make every individual Geth program a full brain? Does it make them more able to function independently? Does it make their bodies more important? Defining it as “our upgrades” and “the reaper code” feels really vague in how it makes the Geth better.
@@jylehansen2758 believe it or not I play Paragon 90% of the time I just feel no sympathy for the geth because they are not actually alive so if they all die it doesn't really matter because there would be no suffering but if you let the qurians die it's obviously it's bad.
@@MIKE2111ful the geth are alive, they are sentient beings they clearly have feeling's the main one we see them display is fear, fear of death which is why they fight to survive. They are also clearly capable of individual thought which is why the geth have factions and peace was possible. I think therefore I am, the geth think so therefore they are. A machine can not think or operate without some kind of input from a biological. The geth can think, operate and reproduce without any kind of input they're completely independent and are no longer just machine's
@@borischan5252 Agreed. I had the same thing. A few years later I told a friend that has been actually playing ME3 that I saved both Geth and Quarians. In the first moment he thought I was joking xD
And 30 years from now, instead of the Pilgrimage, it is tradition for a Quarian's coming of age to be chosen by a Geth to integrate with their suit, becoming a life-long partnership.
@@StormBringare After Priority: Rannoch, Tali said that the suits were so ingrained in their culture that they would probably still be around, but not as a means of needing to survive. So it's plausible that the Quarians would keep the suits going forward, just without masks.
@@tgr3423 Plausible yes, it's also plausible that they would feel the need to completely shed that part of their life to start anew 🤷🏻♂️ If it were real I imagine that there would be quite differing opinions among the population, especially depending on their occupation. I could see spacer Quarians holding on to the suits part from necessity and part from tradition while those living on Rannoch and later on other planets discarding them as they are a reminder of the time they spent in exile.
@@blaubeer8039 Says the guy who thought the sad thing about Legion's sacrifice was the platform keeling over and not that it meant Legion had broken down his own programming to share it. I don't really trust your ability to follow a plot.
Such a shame, the game could have truly been a masterpiece if greedy ass EA didn't shave off that extra year of development time so that the game could be rushed out in 2012 with a broken Journal and a shitty ending. It really does have emotional moments like this that show what a brilliant game this had the potential to be.
I remember on my first Mass Effect playthrough I was sweating at this decision. I sat there for literally dozens of minutes at the dialogue wheel (breaks the immersion, but this was important), just weighing everything in my head and trying to figure out which option was best. I knew it was possible to save both because a friend in passing told me he managed it. Honestly, when it looked like I had to choose between them I thought I had made some kind of misstep. But, I decided that I couldn't just sit there all day staring at a dialogue wheel and made the decisions. It was... One of the most-liberating decisions in my gaming career. Definitely an emotional payoff, as I had been playing Mass Effect since 2007 and this was the official end of these characters' journey in my headcanon, my first playthrough of Mass Effect 3. I even went to a friend's house to play all the Mass Effect DLC I never got to as I watched their dog over the weekend before ME3 released! If I fucked up in my first ME3 playthrough, I promised myself that it would be canon in my universe. It didn't. I chose the Destroy ending, and despite my friends endlessly telling me it is the worst ending, I disagree wholely. It was the proper ending.
@@Drave_Jr. Furthermore, I spent the culmination of three games wondering how the hell I would be able to defeat them. Two of the three options were the reapers continuing to live, a force that should not be allowed to exist, especially when you consider the implications. The reapers should be destroyed, and not left in the hands of anybody, even those who would wield and righteously. That is power not meant for anyone, and if it means the end of the Geth in the process, then so be it. I refuse to recant the destroy ending. It is a decision that must be made, and if my shepherd must bear that cross, then so be it.
Have to give the writers of Mass Effect 2 and 3 credit. I enjoyed every character and was invested in what they were doing. When Legion died I was legit heart broken.
@@jacobsaunders4528 is it though??? Isn’t that what the reapers want? Do you not realize that control and synthesis the Reapers win right? Only in destroy do they lose.
Win is the wrong word. The Reapers are unable to answer a Philosophical question on their own Shepard using Synthesis basically turns Mass Effect into Iam Banks' Culture
unless the catalyst was lying about destroying all synthetics. Maybe he forgot to say "in the radius" or maybe it kills only pure reaper technology and modified will survive with heavy damage.
Legion best geth boi. He's among my favourite character of the series and through him you understand that in the end neither side had to fight there was just too much fear on both to see it.
@@blaubeer8039 Spamming this doesn't make you not wrong. For pete's sake, Legion broke down his own code to share it. Its not about the platform and Geth intelligence was always subject to numbers of Geth. Now it isn't.
@Franky Torres If he did upload the code anyway, given that Shepard didn't allow him to, he thought that Shepard and Tali would try to stop him The upload takes time and if you chose to not let Legion do it he obviously wouldn't be able to with you watching him
Apparently I was just really lucky. I made sure to stay away from any spoilers and only made decisions based on my Shepard's motivations, so I rewrote the heretics in ME2 yet was still able to make peace. Tali was my Shepard's love interest too, so it would have been doubly tragic to see the consequences if I didn't do things just right.
I too rewrote the Geth. I'm surprised that didn't net you the points since it improves your influence with the Geth more than hurts your standing with the Quraians.
I mean these choices are basically (do the thing right) to get peace its not hard to stumble on if you are invested in the world and characters because you want whats best
You are possibly correct, the reapers contacted the geth because the geth was not based off any of their designed paths like other cycles had that crucible was made and intended to wipe out technology produced by by them in their design. The geth stands outside their cycle.
@@deangeloellis729 But would the Geth be recognized because they uploaded the Reaper code to achieve sentience? This is a point of conflict that I possess between the writing for the second game and the third game. In the second game the Geth have two factions, those who revered the "Old Machines" (the Reapers), heretics, and hoped for the "Old Machines" to deliver the future to the Geth. The other faction (Legion) denied the "Old Machine" gifts because the Geth wanted to build their own future. If Legion's faction wanted to build their own future, why would they use the code from the "Old Machines"? Seems to me that they would be falling into the "desired path of development" of the Reapers in the third game, which is what they were opposed to in the second game. While I suppose it's possible that the Legion's Geth arrived at a consensus that uploading the code was not the same as accepting the a specific line of code developed by the Reapers. I guess the best example that I can come up with is a computer example. Say the Reapers were Microsoft and wanted the Geth to be Windows (this would be the heretics in the ME2). Instead of becoming "windows" Legion's faction of Geth rejected the platform of Windows, but took the underlying code to create their own "platform" (achieve sentience). In effect, while the Geth were not initially based on any design path, but by uploading the reaper code, they would then develop along the Reapers design plan. Similar to how organic life developed around the mass relays (developed by the reapers). I feel like the outcome of Geth and Quarian peace lends itself to the synthesis ending. Geth use the reaper code to achieve sentience and integrating with the Quarians. From the Quarians perspective they benefited from the bonding.
@@QuietDarkness27 I see your point, I guess we can say that they are a abnormality even among synthetic life. I like the possibility that they survive the destroy ending (full paragon, galactic readiness) by hiding in the Quarians suit programs. and my hope is that Edi survived in a similar way. I can't wait for Mass Effect 4 to answer these questions.
I _love_ the Paragon Speech when you resolve the conflict between Legion and Tali. Shepard let’s Tali and Legion talk just enough and cuts them off at just the right time to show them the logic behind why they’re both right, and it’s so wholesome watching them both decide not to fight. Tali offering Legion some information and Legion saying it doesn’t want to endure conflict by uploading sensitive info It’s so nice
The Quarians and the Geth are my most favorite races so I made sure to to get the best results for both of them. I'm glad I got the peace ending when I played because it would of killed me if I had to choose
I am sadly one of those that didn’t get that option. And it literally ripped a hole in my soul. Never was able to finish the game because I couldn’t bare it.
When I first played this I didn't look at a guide until I had already started 3, by sheer luck I had enough points from 2 that I could salvage it from those available in 3. Then I picked the destroy ending because I knew Shepard survived it, but was unaware that all synthetic life was destroyed i.e. The Geth (and EDI), rendering my efforts moot fml
They seriously screwed the ending of ME3. Tried to force the synthesis ending as the "good" one, which was BS. The whole "destroy option targets all reaper tech especially synthetic life" was a cop-out, especially after they added the extended cut to the ending. Should have brought back Drew Karpeyshen (spelling is iffy) to fix this stuff.
Just as a few notes, I'm pretty sure Koris' survival is essential even if you otherwise have enough Peace Points. Second, you are still able to broker peace, even if you don't tell Legion to upload the code on the first dialog wheel. In the second wheel, you still get the option of the paragon or renegade choices, where you tell Legion to upload the code and then proceed as you normally would.
I found out the hard way that you have to "stick to your guns" in the final decision making process. If you are Paragon, go with Upload the Code & Rally the Fleet. If you are Renegade choose Let the Geth die & Warn the Fleet. I flip-flopped for some dumb reason: Upload the Code & Warn the Fleet. Logically, it made sense but I was Paragon and failed the Renegade check. So everyone died in the end. Legion returns to his consensus, Tali commited suicide! and the Quarians were obliterated. Oh well, at least I got me a bunch of Geth Primes.
The peace between the Geth and the Quarians felt like my biggest achievement in Mass Effect 3. Well, that and the Genophage cure, but the Genophage I felt like was less of an influential factor than the survival of two sentient species. That, and perhaps the fact that I have a soft spot for Tali :)
Holy shit. Playing through the trilogy twice, I never understood how interconnected the personal stories were. This is an absolutely stellar, or interstellar, gaming trilogy. I keep finding reasons to love it more.
Yeah, like, if you manage to get peace between the geth and quarians, it should allow a different ending where the geth and EDI aren't destroyed. It proves what the child says is wrong.
@@masongarrison1515 also couldn’t the quarians just replace exactly what they did in the first place to create the Geth after the destroy ending and then this time when they ask if they have a soul just don’t try to fucking murder them? Or am I just being naive? If I am then my bad it’s just a thought I always had when I chose the destroy ending. I just figured we could rebuild them haha
Well to be honest, there has always been organic/synthetic conflict throughout the entire billion year history of the Reapers' existence. So making peace with the Geth and Quarians in the present day does not prove that the conflict will not happen again in a few thousand years. It's like the immortal AI telling you you're going to die someday but then you reply "Yeah but I didn't die today, so you're wrong!"
Admiral Koris vas Qwib-Qwib is one of my favorite characters in the franchise. I loved that he was the most against Tali yet was also the major voice for Quarians accepting their situation without trying for war, and acknowledging the moral greyness of how the Quarians initially handled the sentience of the Geth. His being against Tali had significant grounding in his moral views since her trial was really about politics. I gotta respect his being proud of the Qwib-Qwib and crew despite the ridiculous name, I'm not sure I'd be able to handle something like that so gracefully. And of course, there's also the subtle joke in his considering the much more noble-sounding Admiral Koris vas Defrahnz or -vas Iktomi, when they're dead ringers for the vas deferens and for vasectomy.
Don't mess this one up people, I was so damn depressed when the first time I got it just fine without even trying. My second playthrough I just assumed it'd be the same and somewhere along the way I screwed up and was forced to pick between the 2. It really sucked.
I had no idea what to do I felt that the Geth deserved their right to exist, but not at the cost of the Quarians and I thought that I had done everything right in ME2 only to watch the migrant fleet get wiped out and my Romance Tali to die with her people. I had such a pit in my stomach that I went back to ME2 to try and fix it only to realize that my Paragon/Renegade wasn't ever high enough.
Thank you Big Dan. I completely forgot why I played the ME series in the first place. Its because of moments like these. Now I have to play the entire game again because of you my dude. Thanks a bunch :D
The moment in my first blind playthrough of the series, and the final Paragon/Renegade check came up, was one of the most intense moments of my playthrough. Through all of the character stories, interactions, and events of Tali and Legion all leading up to this moment. My Shepard had started out as mostly Renegade in 1, half-and-half in 2 (plus Romancing Tali), and mostly Paragon with some Renegade in 3. And when the final check to call off the Quarian fleet came up, I was so happy to have the Renegade bar high enough to settle the matter the way my own Shepard would deal with it: Shouting and threatening at people until they listen to reason. Had chills through the final dialogue sequence and felt so relieved when the dramatic music kicked in... Then Legion did his duty to his people.
That moment was very tense on my first blind playthrough, I guienely thought i was about the cause a genocide of the quarien people even after having just enough paragon for the speech check
Yeah it's intense - one of the most intense in the whole series. I wasn't able to save both on my first playthrough and ended up siding with the Quarians. The peaceful option is such a feel good moment too - hits me in the feels every time.
Same here. I was lucky that I was able to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth; if I had to chose, I was probably going to kill the Geth since my Shepard has trouble/doesn't truly believe that machines can have souls per say. I chose the destroy ending, thus ending the Geth anyway.
I was able to save both the Quarians and the Geth without a guide on my first playthrough of the trilogy. Ironically, my dislike of Tali helped me to achieve that. I did her loyalty missian last in ME2 and that allowed me enough time to get a high enough reputation to get the best outcome. And then in ME3 I was intending on saving the Geth over the Quarians by allowing Legion to upload the Reaper Code, but Tali came through and was able to talk the Quarians down.
@Hi there Yeah there is difference in the voiceacting between languages, but i think she is bitchy almost always towards someone who deserves it (like that volus on the citadel). Try listening her on italian or french, voiceacting is awesome there
I would just like to direct this comment to the 27 idiotic individuals who disliked the video: don’t give the guy hate when he made a well informed video that actually helps people. Instead show support because he deserves it. He doesn’t have to take time out of his day to make these guides but he does it because he appreciates his viewers and enjoys helping them however he can on these videos.
I just played this mission yesterday and I saved them both without a guide or hints. Feels so good, man, and I would be sad/upset at any other outcome. Glad I saved everyone in ME2.
Not gonna lie, I was in tears after the fleet heald off. I love the Quarians lore along with the Geth and everything we see from them, seeing them come to peace and the sacrifice of Legion, it just hits hard. And Mass Effect is more than just a game, it hits you where it hurts.
That’s not a pretty high score in Renegade for Tali’s loyalty mission lol if you’re gonna go that route, you need to be into the final portion, just as a heads up for anyone playing that way
I have played Mass effect 3 about 7 times, and Legion saying "I" and "keelah se'lai" brings tears. It's such an impactful moment even if we don't get much time with Legion. Which is why I got a mod to get him early, so I know the next playthrough is going to hurt 10x more.
Much of the criticism of the ending of this game focuses on the final twenty minutes but I think that sadly overlooks stories like this one. The right view of the ending of ME3 is that the whole game is the ending of the trilogy and your choices throughout do impact this a great deal. I'm not saying that the criticism isn't warranted I just think in the broader picture it's overly critical.
This franchise gave me all the feels, best trilogy ever! Love the fact that you’re dedicated to the best game series of all time! New subscriber as well 😎👊🏼
I remember working so hard on this. No guide, no outside help, just doing everything i could to save both sides. I did it and i still dont know how i made it through. Thank you for the memories!
in my first ME3 playthrough I imported my savefile and achieved peace, without noticing how super special it was... hell I even rewrote the geth and still got it
What got me was that right before it died, Legion started to use "I" instead of "We" meaning it gained full individual sentience right before it sacrificed itself.
Some people may think that this is easy to do in terms of getting peace between these two races, but what people don't realize is that if you're trying to let's say do a paragon only or renegade run, then it can be complicated - the harder choice being related to wiping out the Geth or saving them - what i find interesting is that the majority of this step is done in 2 and not 3, and that the fate of this step is already pretty much or mostly decided by the time we start playing 3, and regardless if we did the two last points, well if you saved the geth, too bad - no peace .....unless you do things in ME 3 just right. So it's a pretty big undertaking .... I believe in one of my playthroughs I did manage to get peace; was pretty cool. I am in ME 3 in the LE and want to get it this time too so it was a nice reminder on what I need to do.
Thank you so much for this. I was a bit anxious to start a new game because I never really figured out how to make the right choices in ME2 for Tali to be exonerated lol. Now I know! Thanks 🥰
I've actually never not had enough paragon in ME2 for the paragon speech check for tali. Yet I always have trouble getting enough paragon for the fights between characters.
I am doing my first insanity play through of the series and when I didn't see the peace option show up I got terrified but I forgot that there is a another dialogue option after the first option when u kill the Reaper
I'm playing as Renegade FemShep and I still managed to get the peace outcome. You can still be an asshole, you just have to be a competent leader during the pivotal moments of the games and you have to care about your crew throughout ME2 and ME3 lol.
Thank you for this guide :-) I had this dilemma on my first playthrough of the original ME3. Could only save one, wasn't happy, played the mission again to save Tali that time. Now on the legendary edition I already made the wrong move in reprogramming the heretics - but thanks to your guide this time I'll pull off getting both factions happy.
Today I finally tackled this very mission in the legendary edition. And thanks to your guide I could save both - and literally shed a tear. In my original play through on PS3 I messed up and first killed the Quarians, then Re-loaded the save file to save the Quarians at cost of the Geth. This time it feels so satisfying to get it right.
the paragon/renegade isn’t based on how many bars, idk if anyone has said this but basically it’s better if you go completely one or the other, it basically tracks how many paragon options you have chose when you could have chosen renegade and vice versa up until the point you get the check
Most of the choices come naturally and the best part is when you can keep both characters loyal to you. Every choice I made just came from my desire to keep them alive. And yes, I left the Geth station intact granted it means that more Quarians died, they helped the war effort more in the long run.
I did this my first playthrough of all 3 games only because Legion and Tali were my favorite characters. I didn't realize at the time how difficult and specific the circumstances around this were.
It's my fault for not watching this before playing legendary collection, I know I did it on my PS3, just about to start the mission, here's hoping, thanks Dan, great video
This outcome of this mission makes the long hours of ME1 and 2 worth it all. The singular poignancy of peace achieved between organic and synthetic life set against the failure of the Reapers. While the conflict between the Krogan and Salarian/Turians is at the forefront more, this conflict always stuck with me more. It's a testament to how well Legion was written as a character.
For my first playthrough i got the peace, in my second playthrough to get the last couple achievement, i didnt get it. Because i speedrun the game for the second playthrough.
I’m playing through Mass Effect LE (currently in ME3) and oh my god there hasn’t been a more fulfilling game in my life past a pretty fully explored galaxy Paragon play-through. Like I’m putting work in and getting all the results I want, this kicks so much ass
14:24 i remember this scene from back in 2012-2013 when i played and . . . _Tali: the answer to your question is yes_ . . . _Legion: i know Tali_ . . .
4:46 Pro renegade tip: The best possible way to pass the speech check is to hold off on this mission until after you get the IFF. You would need the first four bars completely filled up by this point of the mission.
@@KritoSkywaker nothing more really, I'm usually carful when I'm playing mass effect. I'm trying to keep myself off it until legendary edition comes out
In all my play through s of Mass Effect 3, I always made Peace between the Quarians and the Geth. This despite the fact I also always save the Heretics in 2, which means I was handicapping myself without realising it.
The ending is bad yes, but the rest of the game is great, combat mechanics are the best of entire trilogy, the story is captivating. They could've put in more dialog options though
Oh yes, ME3 is phenomenal. It's one of my favorite games. If they had nailed the ending, I truly think it would be considered one of the greatest games of all time. But alas, its reputation / legacy are completely overshadowed by the final 15 minutes of the game.
Despite the ending of Mass Effect 3 and all the controversies surrounding Andromeda, I think all of us can not wait for the release of Mass Effect 4. Hopefully they learn from thier mistakes made in 3 and Andromeda
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In order to save both the Geth and Quarians, you must meet ALL of the following basic requirements:
1) You must import a save file from ME 2 (including the following outcomes in #2 & 3)
2) Tali must not be exiled in ME2
3) You must activate Legion in ME2
4) Tali and Legion must survive the final mission of the game
5) Shepard must have at least 4 bars of reputation score in ME3
6) You must complete the quest Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons
ALSO, you need to score at least 5 points from the list below, which I refer to as the "Peace Scoreboard." If you have less than 5 points then peace will not be possible:
1) ME2 - If Tali is exonerated at her trial and not exiled (+2 points)
2) ME2 - Destroy Geth heretics during Legion: A House Divided (+2 points)
3) ME2 - Resolve confrontation between Tali and Legion without choosing a side (requires renegade or paragon speech check) (+1 point)
4) ME3 - Rescue Admiral Koris on Rannoch, NOT his crew (+1 point)
5) ME3 - Complete Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons (+1 point)
This info comes from the Mass Effect Fandom wiki and has been confirmed by my own experience on three separate playthroughs
masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Priority:_Rannoch
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Dude I need your email address so I can explain it better
Just a question. Do you need prioritize any rep, or just renegade when you choose to either upload the code or kill the geth?
@@xxnorest465xx6 If you have 4 bars of reputation then you will unlock both speech checks so you can choose either the paragon or renegade one.
beeg dan putting the tutorial in the comments section? legendary beeg dan. if you put them down here many won't spend as much time on your video, lowering your chances of being recommended by the algorithm - but as a viewer i adore you for it and hope you never stop :) I look forward to this channel soaring once the legendary edition is out. best of luck!
I mean...I played the games without realising this could happen and achieved it. It was easy.
I love the detail that legion mostly refers to itself as we but in its final moments it refers to itself as I
@@blaubeer8039 They are only actually sentient or intelligent when in groups. The upgrade makes an individual Geth fully sentient even without other Geth to share processing.
Also you seem to have missed what happened with Legion its not that his platform was broken by what happened, hell another Geth could easily take over it and it'd probably work just fine. Its the software the thing that mad Legion, Legion that was broken down in order to grant full sentience to every Geth. Sounds like you had trouble following what was going on.
@@blaubeer8039 I think you’re right about contrivance but I think Legion’s sacrifice makes sense.
Making all Geth intelligent with Reaper code is kinda nonsensical? Since it implies the Geth were only sapient because of the Reapers, but their questions of souls and personality originated hundreds of years before the Reapers were a threat to this cycle. So they were intelligent before. Why do they need the Reaper code to function?
That said, if they required a code to achieve sapience, it makes sense that Legion would need to upload itself. Since it functions differently from other Geth. Legion says that most Geth mobile platforms run hundreds of programs, but that it runs thousands, and that it isn’t always connected to the network. It has the most Geth programs running isolated from the network for the longest time. It’s a very complicated and advanced Geth, so it makes sense why it would need to upload its personality, developed by living isolated from the network, to improve the Geth.
But I don’t get exactly what was improved? Like.. is it just that every Geth platform can be sapient separate from the network like Legion? Or that every Geth _program_ is now Sapient? Or that the hundreds of programs per each platform are now one personality per platform?
I think that any of those _could_ still be an interesting AI race, but Bioware never explains what any of it means.
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1. The Reapers have long been influencing the galaxy before the trilogy, look at the Rachni War for that, as the Queen if you save her tells you as much.
2. It's not that they're sapient is the issue, the Geth actually somewhat lack sentience ironically enough. They can reason, can understand, and have experiences of the world around them, but unlike true AI in this series they can't really emote like most organic creatures, a key trait for true sentience. The Geth are more like hundreds of simple VI that function by supporting processes. The Reaper code in turn helps them achieve true sentience.
@@willofthewinds3222 I know the Geth are hundreds of VIs, but the way they act and are described makes it sound like they were sentient already. Perhaps I’m biased because I’m emotionally attached to my sweet Metal boys, but it sounds like the way the Geth are, every individual Geth is like a neuron in a brain. And when they network they become a brain. In that regard they would be no less sapient than us. Aside from emotion, I suppose.
So does the upgrade make every individual Geth program a full brain? Does it make them more able to function independently? Does it make their bodies more important?
Defining it as “our upgrades” and “the reaper code” feels really vague in how it makes the Geth better.
@@willofthewinds3222a VI would not refuse its shutdown commands in order to stay functional and assist its creator better.
“Does this unit have a soul?” Is one of the most eerily haunting things said by the geth, it really makes you feel for the geth
Dialogues like this make you respect this trilogy as one of the best sci-fi fictions ever.
I always destroy them and that question is really stupid they obviously don't have one.
@@MIKE2111ful ok renegade sheppard
@@jylehansen2758 believe it or not I play Paragon 90% of the time I just feel no sympathy for the geth because they are not actually alive so if they all die it doesn't really matter because there would be no suffering but if you let the qurians die it's obviously it's bad.
@@MIKE2111ful the geth are alive, they are sentient beings they clearly have feeling's the main one we see them display is fear, fear of death which is why they fight to survive.
They are also clearly capable of individual thought which is why the geth have factions and peace was possible. I think therefore I am, the geth think so therefore they are.
A machine can not think or operate without some kind of input from a biological. The geth can think, operate and reproduce without any kind of input they're completely independent and are no longer just machine's
“If you exile Tali, you might as well do the same to me”
Kal’Reegar is an absolute boss. I really wish he was around more
He’s the most underrated character in the series no doubt
I ship them since I always choose Ashley.
@@balrog262 what about garrus lol
@@Quole1234 They are not genetically compatible though.
@@balrog262 ashley is so hot I admit. I never thought she was before but I tried romancing her and god. She's so much better than tali lol
I actually managed to unknowingly do this first runthrough. My friends kept asking how i did it, now i know
me2. Well if you paid attention and did the logical things, it isnt that hard
@@borischan5252 Yeah it was clear cut if you always went for “the benefit of the doubt” outcome. It always gives you something later in return
@@borischan5252 Agreed. I had the same thing. A few years later I told a friend that has been actually playing ME3 that I saved both Geth and Quarians. In the first moment he thought I was joking xD
I also manage to do this. My only error in this Game was that Miranda died. But I Forgot how I did it so I come for advice to do it again in the LE
Your friends probably sold Legion lol
And 30 years from now, instead of the Pilgrimage, it is tradition for a Quarian's coming of age to be chosen by a Geth to integrate with their suit, becoming a life-long partnership.
That sounds cute as hell.
30 years after that moment the Quarians on Rannoch likely don't need their suits anymore.
@@StormBringare After Priority: Rannoch, Tali said that the suits were so ingrained in their culture that they would probably still be around, but not as a means of needing to survive. So it's plausible that the Quarians would keep the suits going forward, just without masks.
Both the linking of a Geth and a Pilgrimage as both are ingrained into either culture.
@@tgr3423
Plausible yes, it's also plausible that they would feel the need to completely shed that part of their life to start anew 🤷🏻♂️
If it were real I imagine that there would be quite differing opinions among the population, especially depending on their occupation. I could see spacer Quarians holding on to the suits part from necessity and part from tradition while those living on Rannoch and later on other planets discarding them as they are a reminder of the time they spent in exile.
Legion asking if he had a soul broke me. ME3 gets a lot of flak, well deserved, but god damn did they do some things so incredibly well.
ME3 is great up until the last ten minutes, it's just those last ten minutes is what everyone remembers.
@@blaubeer8039 Says the guy who thought the sad thing about Legion's sacrifice was the platform keeling over and not that it meant Legion had broken down his own programming to share it. I don't really trust your ability to follow a plot.
Oh ME3 is easily my favorite. I still love 1 and 2 of course.
Such a shame, the game could have truly been a masterpiece if greedy ass EA didn't shave off that extra year of development time so that the game could be rushed out in 2012 with a broken Journal and a shitty ending. It really does have emotional moments like this that show what a brilliant game this had the potential to be.
ME3 was a great game with a terrible ending.
This was the outcome I was most anxious about. I actually started crying when the speech checks came up.
It's super stressful! There's a lot riding on these decisions
I remember on my first Mass Effect playthrough I was sweating at this decision. I sat there for literally dozens of minutes at the dialogue wheel (breaks the immersion, but this was important), just weighing everything in my head and trying to figure out which option was best. I knew it was possible to save both because a friend in passing told me he managed it. Honestly, when it looked like I had to choose between them I thought I had made some kind of misstep. But, I decided that I couldn't just sit there all day staring at a dialogue wheel and made the decisions. It was... One of the most-liberating decisions in my gaming career. Definitely an emotional payoff, as I had been playing Mass Effect since 2007 and this was the official end of these characters' journey in my headcanon, my first playthrough of Mass Effect 3. I even went to a friend's house to play all the Mass Effect DLC I never got to as I watched their dog over the weekend before ME3 released! If I fucked up in my first ME3 playthrough, I promised myself that it would be canon in my universe.
It didn't. I chose the Destroy ending, and despite my friends endlessly telling me it is the worst ending, I disagree wholely. It was the proper ending.
@@QrazyQuarian How is it the worst ending. With enough Galactic Power, Shepard can actually live and finally have peace in life.
@@Drave_Jr. Furthermore, I spent the culmination of three games wondering how the hell I would be able to defeat them. Two of the three options were the reapers continuing to live, a force that should not be allowed to exist, especially when you consider the implications. The reapers should be destroyed, and not left in the hands of anybody, even those who would wield and righteously. That is power not meant for anyone, and if it means the end of the Geth in the process, then so be it. I refuse to recant the destroy ending. It is a decision that must be made, and if my shepherd must bear that cross, then so be it.
@@QrazyQuarian The loss of the Geth and EDI is the only thing that brings down destroy in my eyes.
Have to give the writers of Mass Effect 2 and 3 credit. I enjoyed every character and was invested in what they were doing. When Legion died I was legit heart broken.
Even Jacob ?
Even Ashley?
Even Jack?
@@Stratovariuification bruh
@@Stratovariuification What's wrong with Jack?
Always loved that smile Shepard gets when the quarians stand down
This one animation beats every other from Andromeda lol
It’s hard...Going through all this trouble to save the Geth only to kill them all in the Destroy Ending
If you managed to unite the geth and quarians, why would you EVER do the destroy ending? Synthesis is obviously the best option.
@@jacobsaunders4528 is it though??? Isn’t that what the reapers want? Do you not realize that control and synthesis the Reapers win right? Only in destroy do they lose.
Win is the wrong word. The Reapers are unable to answer a Philosophical question on their own
Shepard using Synthesis basically turns Mass Effect into Iam Banks' Culture
unless the catalyst was lying about destroying all synthetics. Maybe he forgot to say "in the radius" or maybe it kills only pure reaper technology and modified will survive with heavy damage.
@@enaxtry the catalyst was a reaper. He wanted you to chose control and especially synthesis
Who else cried when Legion used "I " instead of "We"? He did it.. He gained a soul! T_T
Legion best geth boi. He's among my favourite character of the series and through him you understand that in the end neither side had to fight there was just too much fear on both to see it.
@@blaubeer8039 Spamming this doesn't make you not wrong. For pete's sake, Legion broke down his own code to share it. Its not about the platform and Geth intelligence was always subject to numbers of Geth. Now it isn't.
@Franky Torres Legion "felt" betrayed by Shepard and Legion wanted the best for his people.
@Franky Torres If he did upload the code anyway, given that Shepard didn't allow him to, he thought that Shepard and Tali would try to stop him
The upload takes time and if you chose to not let Legion do it he obviously wouldn't be able to with you watching him
You have no idea what spirituality or what a soul is...May the lord of lords help you
Apparently I was just really lucky. I made sure to stay away from any spoilers and only made decisions based on my Shepard's motivations, so I rewrote the heretics in ME2 yet was still able to make peace. Tali was my Shepard's love interest too, so it would have been doubly tragic to see the consequences if I didn't do things just right.
Same here.
I too rewrote the Geth. I'm surprised that didn't net you the points since it improves your influence with the Geth more than hurts your standing with the Quraians.
@@DamienDrake2940 and rewriting the geth also increases the war assets of the geth
@@shadowsaffron576 but decreases the war assets of the quarians.
I mean these choices are basically (do the thing right) to get peace its not hard to stumble on if you are invested in the world and characters because you want whats best
It's my internal canon that the Geth that uploaded into the Quarian suits were immune to the Red Ending.
I like that theory
You are possibly correct, the reapers contacted the geth because the geth was not based off any of their designed paths like other cycles had that crucible was made and intended to wipe out technology produced by by them in their design. The geth stands outside their cycle.
Damn that’s some serious copium right there
Fuck the geths, they’re not organics !
@@deangeloellis729 But would the Geth be recognized because they uploaded the Reaper code to achieve sentience? This is a point of conflict that I possess between the writing for the second game and the third game. In the second game the Geth have two factions, those who revered the "Old Machines" (the Reapers), heretics, and hoped for the "Old Machines" to deliver the future to the Geth. The other faction (Legion) denied the "Old Machine" gifts because the Geth wanted to build their own future. If Legion's faction wanted to build their own future, why would they use the code from the "Old Machines"? Seems to me that they would be falling into the "desired path of development" of the Reapers in the third game, which is what they were opposed to in the second game.
While I suppose it's possible that the Legion's Geth arrived at a consensus that uploading the code was not the same as accepting the a specific line of code developed by the Reapers. I guess the best example that I can come up with is a computer example. Say the Reapers were Microsoft and wanted the Geth to be Windows (this would be the heretics in the ME2). Instead of becoming "windows" Legion's faction of Geth rejected the platform of Windows, but took the underlying code to create their own "platform" (achieve sentience).
In effect, while the Geth were not initially based on any design path, but by uploading the reaper code, they would then develop along the Reapers design plan. Similar to how organic life developed around the mass relays (developed by the reapers).
I feel like the outcome of Geth and Quarian peace lends itself to the synthesis ending. Geth use the reaper code to achieve sentience and integrating with the Quarians. From the Quarians perspective they benefited from the bonding.
@@QuietDarkness27 I see your point, I guess we can say that they are a abnormality even among synthetic life. I like the possibility that they survive the destroy ending (full paragon, galactic readiness) by hiding in the Quarians suit programs. and my hope is that Edi survived in a similar way. I can't wait for Mass Effect 4 to answer these questions.
damb bro every time legion asks if this unit has a soul and then later sacrifices himself makes me shed a tear, every time
yeah i remember ragequitting ME3 and replaying the entire trilogy to get that. fun times
YOU R NOT ALONE ..... :)
I'm same here right now xD but i replaying 2
Yea I had to redo ME2 as well, but there were new things I picked up on so was all good. Its essential to get Tali exonerated.
You need at least 4 bars/lvls in Renegade to pass Tali’s trail, I checked. Personally.
Please tag this so it isn’t buried.
I _love_ the Paragon Speech when you resolve the conflict between Legion and Tali.
Shepard let’s Tali and Legion talk just enough and cuts them off at just the right time to show them the logic behind why they’re both right, and it’s so wholesome watching them both decide not to fight. Tali offering Legion some information and Legion saying it doesn’t want to endure conflict by uploading sensitive info
It’s so nice
The Quarians and the Geth are my most favorite races so I made sure to to get the best results for both of them. I'm glad I got the peace ending when I played because it would of killed me if I had to choose
I am sadly one of those that didn’t get that option. And it literally ripped a hole in my soul. Never was able to finish the game because I couldn’t bare it.
Wow ! This is so detailed! Thank you! You definitely deserve more subs!
Thank you! Much appreciated
When I first played this I didn't look at a guide until I had already started 3, by sheer luck I had enough points from 2 that I could salvage it from those available in 3. Then I picked the destroy ending because I knew Shepard survived it, but was unaware that all synthetic life was destroyed i.e. The Geth (and EDI), rendering my efforts moot fml
They seriously screwed the ending of ME3. Tried to force the synthesis ending as the "good" one, which was BS.
The whole "destroy option targets all reaper tech especially synthetic life" was a cop-out, especially after they added the extended cut to the ending.
Should have brought back Drew Karpeyshen (spelling is iffy) to fix this stuff.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 The dark matter plot that Drew had originally proposed probably would have been much better than the ending we got.
@@Mikelo220 It's fuckin sad... ME would have been magnitudes greater than what it was if the Dark Energy plot was accepted
@@Mikelo220 La trama de la energía oscura también tenia sus problemas, que hubiera sido diferente a lo que tuvimos no quiere decir que fuese mejor.
You made the right decision. AI is of the devil
Man, I came here to get informed, not to cry.
Just as a few notes, I'm pretty sure Koris' survival is essential even if you otherwise have enough Peace Points. Second, you are still able to broker peace, even if you don't tell Legion to upload the code on the first dialog wheel. In the second wheel, you still get the option of the paragon or renegade choices, where you tell Legion to upload the code and then proceed as you normally would.
Your telling me that I went hours back when I saw that wheel for nothing
@@aidanmullins6085 'fraid so
I found out the hard way that you have to "stick to your guns" in the final decision making process. If you are Paragon, go with Upload the Code & Rally the Fleet. If you are Renegade choose Let the Geth die & Warn the Fleet. I flip-flopped for some dumb reason: Upload the Code & Warn the Fleet. Logically, it made sense but I was Paragon and failed the Renegade check. So everyone died in the end. Legion returns to his consensus, Tali commited suicide! and the Quarians were obliterated. Oh well, at least I got me a bunch of Geth Primes.
@JMulvy congrats on being terrible at the game
The peace between the Geth and the Quarians felt like my biggest achievement in Mass Effect 3. Well, that and the Genophage cure, but the Genophage I felt like was less of an influential factor than the survival of two sentient species.
That, and perhaps the fact that I have a soft spot for Tali :)
Holy shit. Playing through the trilogy twice, I never understood how interconnected the personal stories were. This is an absolutely stellar, or interstellar, gaming trilogy. I keep finding reasons to love it more.
I've done this mission so many times and still ... it's still incredibly emotional. Thank you for the guide so more people can experience this!
I hate how I got this outcome on my first playthrough of ME3 but the child was like "tHeRe CaNnOt Be PeAcE"
Yeah, like, if you manage to get peace between the geth and quarians, it should allow a different ending where the geth and EDI aren't destroyed. It proves what the child says is wrong.
Tbf we don’t know for certain if the peace would last after the war, just saying
@@masongarrison1515 exactly
@@masongarrison1515 also couldn’t the quarians just replace exactly what they did in the first place to create the Geth after the destroy ending and then this time when they ask if they have a soul just don’t try to fucking murder them? Or am I just being naive? If I am then my bad it’s just a thought I always had when I chose the destroy ending. I just figured we could rebuild them haha
Well to be honest, there has always been organic/synthetic conflict throughout the entire billion year history of the Reapers' existence. So making peace with the Geth and Quarians in the present day does not prove that the conflict will not happen again in a few thousand years. It's like the immortal AI telling you you're going to die someday but then you reply "Yeah but I didn't die today, so you're wrong!"
Admiral Koris vas Qwib-Qwib is one of my favorite characters in the franchise. I loved that he was the most against Tali yet was also the major voice for Quarians accepting their situation without trying for war, and acknowledging the moral greyness of how the Quarians initially handled the sentience of the Geth. His being against Tali had significant grounding in his moral views since her trial was really about politics.
I gotta respect his being proud of the Qwib-Qwib and crew despite the ridiculous name, I'm not sure I'd be able to handle something like that so gracefully. And of course, there's also the subtle joke in his considering the much more noble-sounding Admiral Koris vas Defrahnz or -vas Iktomi, when they're dead ringers for the vas deferens and for vasectomy.
Don't mess this one up people, I was so damn depressed when the first time I got it just fine without even trying. My second playthrough I just assumed it'd be the same and somewhere along the way I screwed up and was forced to pick between the 2. It really sucked.
I had no idea what to do I felt that the Geth deserved their right to exist, but not at the cost of the Quarians and I thought that I had done everything right in ME2 only to watch the migrant fleet get wiped out and my Romance Tali to die with her people. I had such a pit in my stomach that I went back to ME2 to try and fix it only to realize that my Paragon/Renegade wasn't ever high enough.
I feel ya,
Big Dan: THIS IS COMPLICATED! I GOT A GUIDE TO HELP YOU!
Me: *on my sixth run* it's as easy as 1,2,3
I was a diplomatic Paragon on my first playthrough and managed to luck my way into this.
1 2 3 games you mean
1x2x3 games you mean?
Everytime I see videos like this I am reminded why kal'reegar is my favorite quarian after tali
I appreciate how you limit the spoilers as much as you can throughout all of your vids.
1:00 I love how the pain in your voice is audible when you even think of someone selling Legion to Cerbereus
I think this is the best video from your library with MassEffect videos!
Thank you Big Dan. I completely forgot why I played the ME series in the first place. Its because of moments like these. Now I have to play the entire game again because of you my dude. Thanks a bunch :D
Watching this I’m pretty amazed I played a perfect renegon play through and met all the renegade and paragon speech checks.
I just wish they gave Legion an avatar and have him become a squad member.
Imagine legions powers being multiplayers powers like Geth Turret, Flamer and Tactical Scan?
Like an ultron version/ terminator
My guru for the upcoming remaster run through. Wildly excited. Appreciate you and the content brother.
The moment in my first blind playthrough of the series, and the final Paragon/Renegade check came up, was one of the most intense moments of my playthrough. Through all of the character stories, interactions, and events of Tali and Legion all leading up to this moment. My Shepard had started out as mostly Renegade in 1, half-and-half in 2 (plus Romancing Tali), and mostly Paragon with some Renegade in 3. And when the final check to call off the Quarian fleet came up, I was so happy to have the Renegade bar high enough to settle the matter the way my own Shepard would deal with it: Shouting and threatening at people until they listen to reason.
Had chills through the final dialogue sequence and felt so relieved when the dramatic music kicked in... Then Legion did his duty to his people.
That moment was very tense on my first blind playthrough, I guienely thought i was about the cause a genocide of the quarien people even after having just enough paragon for the speech check
Yeah it's intense - one of the most intense in the whole series. I wasn't able to save both on my first playthrough and ended up siding with the Quarians. The peaceful option is such a feel good moment too - hits me in the feels every time.
Same here. I was lucky that I was able to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth; if I had to chose, I was probably going to kill the Geth since my Shepard has trouble/doesn't truly believe that machines can have souls per say. I chose the destroy ending, thus ending the Geth anyway.
I was able to save both the Quarians and the Geth without a guide on my first playthrough of the trilogy. Ironically, my dislike of Tali helped me to achieve that.
I did her loyalty missian last in ME2 and that allowed me enough time to get a high enough reputation to get the best outcome. And then in ME3 I was intending on saving the Geth over the Quarians by allowing Legion to upload the Reaper Code, but Tali came through and was able to talk the Quarians down.
@@JDWonders Not intending to judge your preferences or anything, but why do you dislike Tali?
@Hi there Yeah there is difference in the voiceacting between languages, but i think she is bitchy almost always towards someone who deserves it (like that volus on the citadel). Try listening her on italian or french, voiceacting is awesome there
This game had me sobbing with the sacrifices of Legion and Morden... my favorite characters in the series outside of The Shepard
I can't believe I got the peace ending in this on my first playthrough, this was a perfect guide, great help for everyone.
I would just like to direct this comment to the 27 idiotic individuals who disliked the video: don’t give the guy hate when he made a well informed video that actually helps people. Instead show support because he deserves it. He doesn’t have to take time out of his day to make these guides but he does it because he appreciates his viewers and enjoys helping them however he can on these videos.
I just played this mission yesterday and I saved them both without a guide or hints. Feels so good, man, and I would be sad/upset at any other outcome. Glad I saved everyone in ME2.
Not gonna lie, I was in tears after the fleet heald off. I love the Quarians lore along with the Geth and everything we see from them, seeing them come to peace and the sacrifice of Legion, it just hits hard.
And Mass Effect is more than just a game, it hits you where it hurts.
my new Favourite You tuber! I have played this trilogy over 30 times and watch these videos just to support channel!
Wait, this was supposed to be a hard thing to achieve? i played pure paragon and made these decisions naturally...
Same
same
Agreed. It was easy to achieve peace.
Same here
Killing the geth in me2 instead of rewriting them is not a paragon Decision in my book, the right thing to do is not always obvious
This is by far the most useful an well explained guide ever. I come by every playthrough to your guides. So we'll done as usual, thanks Dan :)
That’s not a pretty high score in Renegade for Tali’s loyalty mission lol if you’re gonna go that route, you need to be into the final portion, just as a heads up for anyone playing that way
I actually made peace with the Quarians & the Geth before watching this video but Thx U for show us how. You’re the man 👍
I’m with Tali on this one. We are all mourning a geth…
I have played Mass effect 3 about 7 times, and Legion saying "I" and "keelah se'lai" brings tears. It's such an impactful moment even if we don't get much time with Legion. Which is why I got a mod to get him early, so I know the next playthrough is going to hurt 10x more.
This was one of the greatest rpg representations of obtaining peace
Much of the criticism of the ending of this game focuses on the final twenty minutes but I think that sadly overlooks stories like this one. The right view of the ending of ME3 is that the whole game is the ending of the trilogy and your choices throughout do impact this a great deal. I'm not saying that the criticism isn't warranted I just think in the broader picture it's overly critical.
That’s awesome. I never achieved this accomplishment but always assumed there was a way. Nice to finally see it play out at least.😊👍🏻
This franchise gave me all the feels, best trilogy ever! Love the fact that you’re dedicated to the best game series of all time! New subscriber as well 😎👊🏼
Bro Dan is so helpful with everything in mass effect. Because of him I have a platinum trophy!
I got this by chance via just being a good boi and doing Tali’s side missions
I remember working so hard on this. No guide, no outside help, just doing everything i could to save both sides. I did it and i still dont know how i made it through. Thank you for the memories!
Never needed the guid for this one got it organically, imported me1 shep to threw all games even saved wrex first play threw
in my first ME3 playthrough I imported my savefile and achieved peace, without noticing how super special it was...
hell I even rewrote the geth and still got it
Honestly, I cried a bit when Legion died. I am not sure why, but that one made me emotional. That first playthrough was a rough one.
Yea, 3rd game is kinda emotional rollercoaster, Mordin, Legion... yea.
What got me was that right before it died, Legion started to use "I" instead of "We" meaning it gained full individual sentience right before it sacrificed itself.
Some people may think that this is easy to do in terms of getting peace between these two races, but what people don't realize is that if you're trying to let's say do a paragon only or renegade run, then it can be complicated - the harder choice being related to wiping out the Geth or saving them - what i find interesting is that the majority of this step is done in 2 and not 3, and that the fate of this step is already pretty much or mostly decided by the time we start playing 3, and regardless if we did the two last points, well if you saved the geth, too bad - no peace .....unless you do things in ME 3 just right. So it's a pretty big undertaking .... I believe in one of my playthroughs I did manage to get peace; was pretty cool. I am in ME 3 in the LE and want to get it this time too so it was a nice reminder on what I need to do.
First time playing mass effect , made Geth Co exist with Quarians twice!!! Difficult to to it again
Thank you so much for this. I was a bit anxious to start a new game because I never really figured out how to make the right choices in ME2 for Tali to be exonerated lol. Now I know! Thanks 🥰
I've actually never not had enough paragon in ME2 for the paragon speech check for tali. Yet I always have trouble getting enough paragon for the fights between characters.
I’m prepping to do Priority: Rannoch and my first thought was “I need Big Dan on this!” Thanks!
ooh boy. I'm definitely going to have to play MELE with a guide
The way legion said I'm sorry was quite depressing
I loved Legion and talli they are both my favorite charters.
I did this without using any guide, I didn't knew it was this complicated. I scored all the peace points across both me 2&3
I am doing my first insanity play through of the series and when I didn't see the peace option show up I got terrified but I forgot that there is a another dialogue option after the first option when u kill the Reaper
I looked up this guide at the last-second in fear of me doing something wrong, only to figure out I DID EVERYTHING right!
Great guide though
If you follow the rule of thumb: "don't be a douchebag" than the peace comes naturally
Or be really good at being a douchebag. (full renegade)
So maybe im still good? I really dont wanna see tali kill her self again
I'm playing as Renegade FemShep and I still managed to get the peace outcome. You can still be an asshole, you just have to be a competent leader during the pivotal moments of the games and you have to care about your crew throughout ME2 and ME3 lol.
@@jakebishop7822 No. being a full douchebag basically requires you to make several choices that make peace impossible.
@thereisnochoiceleft I'd prefer death to permanent brainwashing, if it came down to it.
Thank you for this guide :-) I had this dilemma on my first playthrough of the original ME3. Could only save one, wasn't happy, played the mission again to save Tali that time. Now on the legendary edition I already made the wrong move in reprogramming the heretics - but thanks to your guide this time I'll pull off getting both factions happy.
Today I finally tackled this very mission in the legendary edition. And thanks to your guide I could save both - and literally shed a tear. In my original play through on PS3 I messed up and first killed the Quarians, then Re-loaded the save file to save the Quarians at cost of the Geth. This time it feels so satisfying to get it right.
i get tali exonerated, but she usually turns on the fleet, actually happy to leave with shep
the paragon/renegade isn’t based on how many bars, idk if anyone has said this but basically it’s better if you go completely one or the other, it basically tracks how many paragon options you have chose when you could have chosen renegade and vice versa up until the point you get the check
Man I had to search this but I was so lazy to do that and this thing popped up on my youtube, so thanks!
Glad it got to you at the right time! Thanks for watching
Most of the choices come naturally and the best part is when you can keep both characters loyal to you. Every choice I made just came from my desire to keep them alive. And yes, I left the Geth station intact granted it means that more Quarians died, they helped the war effort more in the long run.
I did this my first playthrough of all 3 games only because Legion and Tali were my favorite characters. I didn't realize at the time how difficult and specific the circumstances around this were.
I pulled this up on a hunch and man you just saved my game right at the trial thxs a bunch
When they both survived and you didn't need a guide
It's my fault for not watching this before playing legendary collection, I know I did it on my PS3, just about to start the mission, here's hoping, thanks Dan, great video
Whaaat? Tali getting exiled?? Who would allow such a thing?!
I mean, she told me to so...
i aint even playing the game and the peace scene has me in tears bruh im so hype for MELE
This outcome of this mission makes the long hours of ME1 and 2 worth it all. The singular poignancy of peace achieved between organic and synthetic life set against the failure of the Reapers. While the conflict between the Krogan and Salarian/Turians is at the forefront more, this conflict always stuck with me more. It's a testament to how well Legion was written as a character.
Thanks for sharing this Big Dan. I am happy I saved both. How Dramatic a game can be.... Bioware proofed again what they are capable of :)
For my first playthrough i got the peace, in my second playthrough to get the last couple achievement, i didnt get it. Because i speedrun the game for the second playthrough.
I’m playing through Mass Effect LE (currently in ME3) and oh my god there hasn’t been a more fulfilling game in my life past a pretty fully explored galaxy Paragon play-through.
Like I’m putting work in and getting all the results I want, this kicks so much ass
I alway rewrite the geth. You can still can do peace and you get more geth war assets.
14:24 i remember this scene from back in 2012-2013 when i played and . . .
_Tali: the answer to your question is yes_ . . .
_Legion: i know Tali_ . . .
It totally broke my heart that day when Legion Died. Crushed!
4:46 Pro renegade tip: The best possible way to pass the speech check is to hold off on this mission until after you get the IFF. You would need the first four bars completely filled up by this point of the mission.
The things I hate about the "destroy" option. Loosing the Geth after managing this peace, and EDI.
I actually did it by accident on my first play-through, though I had no idea how until I found guides for it online.
I had to try to not get peace to fail this.
I just watched this so I could ensure my favorite character survived during my playthrough.
Didn't know all those times a re-wrote the geth I was taking a step away from peace :o consider that bullet dodged lol
What did you missed besides that you rewritten the heretics?
@@KritoSkywaker nothing more really, I'm usually carful when I'm playing mass effect. I'm trying to keep myself off it until legendary edition comes out
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I just hope that Legendary Edition won't be a big mess. :)
In all my play through s of Mass Effect 3, I always made Peace between the Quarians and the Geth. This despite the fact I also always save the Heretics in 2, which means I was handicapping myself without realising it.
The only thing I remember about me3 , was that ending 0_o
Yeah it's unfortunate. ME3 is a great game in many respects, but that ending.... whoo boy
The ending is bad yes, but the rest of the game is great, combat mechanics are the best of entire trilogy, the story is captivating. They could've put in more dialog options though
Oh yes, ME3 is phenomenal. It's one of my favorite games. If they had nailed the ending, I truly think it would be considered one of the greatest games of all time. But alas, its reputation / legacy are completely overshadowed by the final 15 minutes of the game.
Despite the ending of Mass Effect 3 and all the controversies surrounding Andromeda, I think all of us can not wait for the release of Mass Effect 4. Hopefully they learn from thier mistakes made in 3 and Andromeda