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I think its kind of good in a sense. Like its not meant to be a stand alone game and its not meant really for people who havent seen the story so I appreciate that they didnt try to make it its own self contained story to let new ones in. Convince them to start from the beginning and experience it.
@@williammartin1691 Oh yeah that how I actually got into the Mass effect series. I actually borrowed ME3 from a friend and I was wanting to see if I can do things differently if I had played the past games. So I bought the first game then the second and bought literally all the DLCs I was actually drawn into the story and loved every minute of playing them and even bought the Legendary edition to play them all again XD
@@williammartin1691 my exact experience. I finished ME3 wondering if anything in the previous games would have made a difference. The entire time I felt like I was missing something despite how good the storytelling is.
@@gamingman5453 except Miranda now has Cerberus assassins after her, what's his excuse? he wasn't even important enough for TIM to be like "hmm... i know there's another rogue element out there.... what was his name again?"
I did this once and quit halfway through. It was soulless. It was like a Shepard was forced into an alternative timeline but his memories of what he knew should of been hung in the air. Ugh.
I'm actually quite impressed with how much work must have went into making all these alternate generic dialogues as to not confuse players who didn't play ME1+2. They clearly did not want to reward players for not having played the previous games though so they made sure it was as cursed as possible.
Considering how much work had to go into accounting for every possible decision in the previous two games, yes. I'm sure that played a big part in why they couldn't stick the landing. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that the devs were running out of time and had to rush the ending.
I am so sorry there isn't a dialogue option where you tell him he almost got taken out by a dying man who snuck off his sickbed. That and when you finally stab the idiot are the high points for that character. Not helped that at normal difficulty, I had him on the run on Thessia. If he wasn't scripted unkillable...@@XFallenFreakX
In ME2 both Jacob and Garrus was given one set of plot armor ( the one where you say "no" to damage from Collector bullets.) Meanwhile Jack and Samara was given another set of plot armor.
It's honestly impressive how the writers managed to thread the needle of "we don't want players to be too confused despite the fact that they are literally starting the story at the end" and "you absolutely need to be punished for not playing the previous games, why the f would you start at the end you psychopath".
Love how the Mass Effect 2’s default timeline says “Hey, you didn’t play 1. That’s fine, I guess.” Meanwhile Mass Effect 3 says “OKAY! You HAD TO HAVE PLAYED 2. There is NO CHANCE YOU DIDN’T.”
@@waleedfarooqi5998 yes, but that is still in the realm of “still salvageable” as long as you save the research in Mordin’s loyalty mission, Eve will survive in ME3 and she is the best hope at that point of the Krogan turning out better.
@@niceofgames Its not. Would you consider ME3 "still salvageable" if Tali and GArrus are dead? They arent needed anyway. With James, Liara and Edi we got enough Squadmates to beat the game.
Dissecting the squad list at the end, it's interesting to note that the default world state is one that is impossible to get through normal gameplay. Of the five surviving squadmates, you would have had to have done Garrus and Jacob's loyalty missions and taken them with you to fight the human-reaper so you don't die, but also have an unloyal Mordin, Tali, and Miranda, three of the most likely to die squadmates during the hold the line section, survive when everyone else dies. Even assuming you have an unloyal Zaeed and then kill him at the end of his loyalty mission after the collector base, at minimum, Mordin would still die.
I think it's possible. Grunt is never woken up, legion is the same, zaeed and Kasumi are not met. Jack is killed in the cutscene before the final mission because of no armor plating, samara is sent into the tube and dies, mordin escorts Dr chakwas and survives, thane dies at hold the line.
@@salamantics correct, the only way him to survive is being loyal so my guess is that in this world state his loyalty mission is done but Maelon data is destroyed. So no reason to mention the data during dialogues
There is a very simple explanation for that and that is Shepard "dies" on the suicide mission. When you start Mass Effect 3 you are playing a different person - a lookalike who has been trained to assume Shepard's identity. If you get your Shepard through the suicide mission Bioware even have a contingency plan. Shepard gets replaced with an imposter during the Arrival DLC when they get knocked out by Object Rho. I discovered Shepard got replaced in Arrival last December but a few months ago I found the default settings for Mass Effect 3 and I started doing the math. I've also been playing ME2 and in the final battle Harbinger can be heard saying, "Preserve Shepard's body if possible." There's no Saeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Legion and Samara on the SM and Jack and Thane die. Chakwas survives but a disloyal member cannot escort her back. Therefore, Garrus, Jacob, Mordin, Miranda, Tali, Chakwas and Joker helped knock Shepard out and preserve their body. They preserve Shepard's body for the finale of the trilogy and that was being planned from the very start of Mass Effect 1. You play a different Shepard in each game. OG Shepard is replaced at the start of Mass Effect 2. Joker causes the blast that knocks Shepard into space and the Collector vessel picks up the body. When Joker says, "Watch the arm," watch his arm as he gets into the escape pod. You wake up in the Cerberus facility playing a different person whose first words are, "This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip." Huh? Thermal clips were developed while Shepard was comatose. They are telling you it's a different person. Also, why did Bioware have a beauty pageant before the release of Mass Effect 3 where the community could vote on how Femshep looks? Because it's a different person. Why did Bioware make it impossible to import the same custom face from ME2 to ME3? Because it's a different person. Not only have I discovered Shepard gets replaced with imposters, I have discovered who those imposter are. One is Armistan Banes and the other is Captain Harris Fairchild of the MSV Hugo Gernsback. Both their bodies were collected after they were spaced and you never see them. Bioware has a canon story which they seeded throughout the game from the beginning to the end. That canon story is about replacing characters with imposters. It is highly likely that canon is classified, gatekept and concealed by NDAs. You will never get them to confess.
The best way to keep Mordin alive, if you have done his loyalty mission, is to send him with the Normandy crew back to the ship when that option presents itself. You can, if you use just the right people, kill off everyone but Zaeed in the hold the line. Then kill off Zaeed in his own loyalty mission after the suicide mission.
Yeah, the worst thing that's happened to me is I did a full run through of all 3 games, got to Grissom Academy and realized David wasn't there... I immediately deleted that Mass Effect 3 save, went back to the Mass Effect 2 save and realized I'd forgotten to do Overlord, so I did that and THEN I did Mass Effect 3... I can't leave David to die.
I had a similar experience where I realized that I had failed to set all the right flags in order to save both the Geth and the Quarrians. I was like, well, it's time to start over in Mass Effect 2.
my games sometimes glitch n dont give me the proper amount of required "Points" so as I play on PC i use save editor to be sure always have enough points. doesn't mean I'll always keep the peace though, just like to have the option to without being locked out.@@FreakazoidRobots
I can't believe my first experience of Mass Effect was playing default ME3 on pc before I grabbed trilogy collection on the ps3. Thank goodness I don't remember any of it until this video.
@@rustybushel6220 yeah it was. I randomly picked it up at Best Buy. I had no idea what was going on with the story besides the reapers invading but I had fun playing as femshep and I've been a fan ever since.
Funny mass effect 2 was my first time playing mass effect,on the Xbox 360 I literally lost everyone then never went back then I got a Ps3 then I found mass effect 3 and I would only place this version of ME3 cause two different systems lol
Mass effect 3 was my first mass effect game as well. I remembered that the ending seemed a bit lacking, but I assumed that was because I hadn’t played the prequel games prior. I enjoyed my time with me3 so much that I ended up going back and playing me1 and me2, and thoroughly enjoying them as well. I wonder how many others were introduced to the series like I was?
Well I did ME3 first before playing backwards lol. Tbh I don’t really remember what I was experiencing when I played with the default state since I didn’t know any prior storylines so of course I wouldn’t know what’s missing or that I played in a not so good world state. So I definitely enjoy this video to remind me again lol
@@Jim-Bagel yeah what assholes, making a heavily story-based trilogy thats only properly effective when you play all 3 games. how dare they make you play 1 and 2 before playing 3?
I never thought of upgrading Admiral Anderson. That opening section of ME3 is so basic and short that I never went to the character sub menu. After all these years, it is wonderful to still learn new things about my third favorite video game franchise.
I was playing yesterday for the 50th time and I discovered that in ME2 when you ask someone for upgrades idea, go into upgrade menu and just do nothing, they have a line about wasting their time
This is exactly how I first experienced Mass Effect. Didn't know how much was carried over to ME3 and just wanted to play a sentinel. All the lore in the background made me want to experience the full story from start to finish.
Mass Effect 3 was the first game I played in the trilogy. I was 13 when the game came out and my mom actually surprised me with it as a “good grades” game. I remember not having any idea of what was going on or why. I beat the game before extended cut came out and I was very confused. I didn’t complete a full play through until the summer time after ME3 came out, and I’ve been a huge fan ever since. Ps. ME3 multiplayer was the best and I wish we got it in the legendary edition.
Dude same, my dad was a gamer too and got me into it when be bought it. I was maybe in the 7th grade, so around 11 or 12. Had zero idea of what was going on but immediately fell in love. Then one day after work, he came home with me2 something edition. It had the double discs and all the dlcs. I literally stopped playin me3 to play me2 and it was amazing as well. When i was younger, I didn’t like me1 because it felt boring. Older i got, the more i loved it. 3 is still my baby tho.
I was very young when I first played the original ME and had a very limited vocabulary. So I was absolutely clueless to what was going on. I specifically remember being invited to meet the consort, but with the cutscene that was presented, I thought Shepard was about to have a booty call so I noped out and went exploring uncharted planets - which was actually something I actually really enjoyed for the exploration fantasy. Then when I returned, I learned that I was unwelcome to the consort for the rest of the game and was genuinely confused why, and only pieced it together later. Edit: a year or so later when my intelligence improved a little, I proceeded to start a new save and this time ensure to not mess anything up with the help of my older brother - who literally supervised me while I was playing the game. 😂
@@Rudoku1 Yeah, the Galactic Battlegrounds and Republic Commando video games, plus the Republic comics, out the war effort on Kashyyyk into a whole new and well meaning light.
Yeah, this was me with my first Mass Effect experience which was on the odd Wii U port. Imagine my surprise when I went back and played the rest of the titles and saw how different things could end up.
@@GordonShemway1the game at launch didn't have the genesis comics, they were added in an update about 6 months later if I recall (about the only update the Wii U version got) The day one experience was cursed indeed
@@BrainAbsoluteZeroI'd already played through all of them on the Xbox 360 before Picked it up as it was very cheap, as the Wii U never did very well It includes Javik and the Prothean DLC and the expanded ending but otherwise it's a barebones experience Only unique feature is the gamepad has a minimap and you can see enemies marked as orange dots
Dude , when I was a teenager, my dad bought me3 because he thought it was like halo, me wasn't even on my radar, I was like "who tf is kaiden?" The whole time
@@DeitySkullKid I started with ME2 and was the same way. Who is this Kaiden they talk about (and why should I care about this Ashley person who wasn't harvested during a main mission)?
Its amazing in this game how the soundtrack for certain parts only hits when squad mates from previous games are still alive- if they're dead and replaced by someone else, it's like, "meh, why so dramatic?"
I remember getting curious when I was a teenager and I did this playthrough. I realized how much the other games mattered before going into this one, and I also realized I was really missing out not having any of the DLC
Funny thing is, I first played Mass Effect 1 and 2 on the XBox. Unfortunately, it inevitably went Red Ring of Death, so I got ME3 for the Desktop (finally got one that could run, well, ANY game 😅) So I played through the comic in order to get as close as I could to my end state of ME2 on the XBox....but I think I cheated just to keep all my team alive 😄. Also: All these years and I had no idea that the squadmates you took on the 'Mad Dash' could die, or that you could actually Destroy The Earth with the Destruction ending (I obviously never played with low War Assets) 😦
As someone who played ME3 before the other two games, it was a night-and-day difference after I did play them and then replayed ME3 with an imported save. I was delighted that all the squadmates came back in some way. On my first playthrough of ME2, my only casualty on the suicide mission was Thane (because I thought he'd be an ideal tech specialist for some reason), so imagine my surprise when on the subsequent ME3 playthrough, I unintentionally discovered that Kirrahe sacrifices himself for the Salarian councilor.
Okay, to be FAIR to you, the tech specialist is specifically tasked with crawling through a vent, when you first meet thane he's being all sneaky and crawling through vents
So I didn't have Internet when I had my xbox360, so I played through all three games without dlc several times. So a lot of this generic dialogue is my normal. The dlc characters aren't dead, they just don't exist in this timeline
I played ME3 first and had no idea what was going on but it made me fall in love with the trilogy and i promptly went to gamestop and bought ME 1 and 2 I was a junior in HS and it was over the summer
This was how I experienced Mass Effect for the first time and thought "That was alright, though I don't get the hype" And then I played through the whole trilogy afterwards, I was changed forever. "Nobodies" at the time became my favorites, and when I replayed 3, I was so excited to see them. Taking a shower with Traynor by accident was funny though.
It sounds like you just admit it’s a bad game though? If it’s living off the hype of the first ones then what does the game have by itself? Like you said they’re your favorite characters after but they’re still nobodies.
i love how ME3 feels like a punishment for not importing your save files... even when you do import them... as a side note, i still defend that the better choice would be to just randomize those choices when creating a save file from scratch, as opposed to just picking the worst outcome from them.
What's funny is the first Mass Effect game I ever played was 3. Think I bought it for my son for Christmas the year it came out, and started playing it when he wasn't. So this video pretty much summed up my first experience with ME. I then found out that ME1 and ME2 affected ME3, so I bought and played those. When I finally got back to ME3 with my imported saves, I couldn't believe just how different it was! That's what hooked me on this series. I thought " well, if the ending was this different on this playthrough, I wonder how it would be changed if I make different decisions on the first two..." And started playing all over again.
Man I remember playing Me3 for the first time when I was younger and had no context for anything happening, definitely don’t miss it now that I got the legendary edition hahaha
The first time I played ME 2, Jack died, so I got her replacement at Grissom and didn't even know he was her replacement til (I think) I had replayed ME 2 and was able to keep Jack alive
Funny enough, technically you can save every squadmate in this default timeline since everyone who always dies in ME3 is already dead. And sabotaging the Genophage + saving Mordin is probably the best choice.
I did the game in reverse order. Started with 3 first without any save state and couldn't complete it. Then bought ME2 and got most of the major plot points, but Wrex was dead along with no other favorable ME1 plot events. Then finally I bought ME1 and did the whole thing correctly.
Dan, this is how I originally played ME3 on PC after playing ME1 on 360 and ME2 on PS3. Imagine my delight when I finally had them all on the same platform!
Ironically a lot of these default outcomes are how my playthroughs usually go anyway since I tend not to do certain DLCs like Arrival or Overlord, I never talk to Conrad, and I don't think I've ever gotten Liara's father to appear once.
I just wanna say that I absolutely love that you manage to keep coming out with good videos about a single player game series that hasn't had an update in many years. No sarcasm at all lol. I love this series so much and I'm glad there's a channel that breaks down absolutely everything the games have to offer. Cheers dude.
When the game first came out my classmates got it but started at 3. I was the only one who did 1 & 2 so it now makes sense why their experience was so wildly different to mine. Also pre extended cut days was rough
Leaving the Rachni Queen alive is even worse if she's not the one from Mass Effect 1. Iirc, it turns out that she was indoctrinated and they cause a significant loss of war assets later on in the game.
Even more fun run in the series is where you kill everyone (obviously Renegade) and no attempts to intimidate even if you have enough Renegade to do so. Judge Shepard. Well executioner really :)
Got to say Dan, but I love your content, I used your guides thus far- to be able to create a damn near perfect mass effect 3 playthrough and endgame save with nearly every single asset and all squadmates (RIP Kaiden, Mordin, Legion, and Thane) via the legendary editions of the trilogy. Absolutely beautiful work!
I tend to agree. I did the opposite: ME1-2 (Zaeed died in the suicide-mission, but screw him, he's ripoff DLC) and just... refused to play ME3. In part because of that stupid ending but more because of that arrogant warning the Bioware / EA forum posted on the day the game came out and we all learnt about the stupid ending. Anyway now it's all on Legendary excepting the unmissed and unwanted "Pinnacle" DLC, and can be had for a song during Steam sales, so I might venture back in there after all...
About dr. Michel didn't know: yeah, that obv that if u never met her in ME1 she'll never know us... ...but i never tried that option :( Love her voice and also character.
Thats actually what my first playthrough was. I was a kid and didnt really think that past games affected anything, so just got the newest and played lol
My first ever ME game was 3 and this is exactly how I experienced the game. Almost ten years later when I started playing the legendary edition did I realise just how much stuff did I miss back then.
Just a sidenote, Dan. If you would have brought Javik instead of EDI, he calls Wreav's arrogance stupidity. And then you get this. Wreav: What are you exactly? Javik: Prothean. Wreav: Really? How many of you are left? Javik: Enough to kill you...
As a person that started with ME3 back in 2012, with no Genesis and no import - I loved that decision, to take the worst timeline. I actually made my introduction with ME even worse by picking "Combat mode", or whatever it was called. I thought this was difficulty option, so picked it. Maybe someone doesn't know, but it turns off ALL choices in the game, so you just sit there (by the way, another video idea). I didn't even knew ME was an RPG, I thought it was 3rd person shooter, so that didn't raised any suspicion at first. Only at first visit to the Citadel I've seen dialogue wheel for the first time. I found it strange, went to options, and boom, now I can make choices in dialogue. Mind blowing stuff. So, I kept on keeping on, played all the way to Citadel coup or so, and figured - well, that game is actually quite decent, and not just a shooty shooter for the evening I was expecting. Tried to find ME1 copy, couldn't do it, so got myself a ME2. Finished it, couldn't figure out how to import saves, played through entire ME3 with default timeline, finally got ME1, played through entire trilogy with import this time, and... Well, that experience was something else. It was CRAZY to me how much different things were, how many characters I have missed, how different your perception on Krogans, and Salarians, and Quarians and Geth turns out to be, when you play from the start and you are the one who makes all of the decisions. Default timeline didn't ruined my experience, it lovingly gatekept true ME from me, until I was ready to appreciate it to its fullest, without my backwards way of introduction
You know it's the worst timeline when JACOB was the one representing ME2 by surviving! To quote Delan on Horizon: "All the good people we lost, and YOU get left behind? Figures..."
Afaik in the Wii U version of Mass Effect 3 it's impossible to achieve peace between geth and the quarians because the comic choices do not contain the necessary decisions.
Yeah... like I said before, is the game's way to punish players for not playing the previous games or not using the Genesis comic (and for WiiU players they're pretty much forced to use the Genesis comic AND multiplayer to get the best destroy ending or the other NOT worst outcomes), but if you want to play the game regardless of the bad outcomes, is still interesting to say the least.
Good grief that's depressing. I laughed at keeping Jacob alive, I always leave that dork behind and interact with him as little as I can get away with. My worst renegade playthrough wasn't anywhere near this tragic tho. I think this would've depressed me if I had done it myself lol.
8:56 reminded me of the launch trailer, god that thing was so good, defenders of the earth by 2 steps from hell combined with the visuals and audio was so good
It’s like the Devs were actively punishing players who did not play the first two games and their DLCs. Remember, that some of the best outcomes require not just playing the first two games but also the DLC in those games.
Quick correction on the assumptions for FemShep since the options mentioned during the romance section made me think something was off: the Virmire survivor isn't Ashley for FemShep, it's Kaidan. That way both genders have the same number of romance options (the Virmire survivor, Liara, and Traynor for FemShep/Cortez for male Shep). I started a quick save to confirm this and got Kaidan during the cutscene on Earth. I applaud you for doing this though, very interesting to see how the default options play out. It kinda reinforces my instinct to always play through the whole trilogy on any character I want to take through. The biggest issue for me is the companion deaths, I'm always very protective of my companions, so I'd hate to lose any of them just because you straight up couldn't possibly save them (see Miranda here, since it seems her survival requires her loyalty in ME2).
What makes this even more stupid is that ME3 released on the Wii U, without the first two games. So players who either intentionally or unintentionally skipped the comic, will quite literally need to play one of the worst timelines. Since they can’t play the first two games on that platform at all. Heck, even if you do the comic. It isn’t too extensive, and you don’t get to decide if you do the DLC’s or get to specifically choose which characters survive and which don’t. So even with the comic, ME3 Wii U is still a compromised experience
It just kept getting worse! Miranda’s horizon death speech always hurts my soul. If they went to the trouble of making generic dialogue for new players I don’t see why more story missions were excluded
as someone who only got mass effect 3 (free with a new PC), this is pretty much what my run looked like. Except i was able to get the synthesis ending because i did the multiplayer thing for more war score.
Did you ever go back and play the whole trilogy?. As someone who bought a XBox just so i could play the first game, i am curious what your impression was of the series.
@@cmmosher8035 currently no. i do have the whole trilogy + DLC from the Mass Effect Legendary edition which i bought some time ago, but i haven't had the time required to get into it just yet. Not going in blind though, i know roughly what's going on. The story seems fun, though it's a shame they bailed on the "Dark Energy" idea
Bioware we should save this companions Thane, Grunt, Samara, Jack, Wrex...? -Nah What about the Ventgod? -What kind of question is that? of course Jacob is alive he's the best companion after all.
I did that when the game first launched because I wasn't sure I wanted to play the first two games again (I didn't have any saves at the time). I made it to the end of Tuchanka and decided it was absolutely unacceptable and went back and played 1 and 2 all over again so I could have "my" Shepard complete the story.
Fun fact, I actually got the Mass Effect games in reverse order. So the first one I got was Mass Effect three, then two, and then the original mass effect. It just kind of happened that way. But I always think that’s really funny. Also contacts, I got into the series when I was a kid. I asked my parents to get me Mass Effect so I could play it, and the third one just happened to be the one they got me.
I wonder if Kaiden or Ashley's survival are tied to Shepard's gender. I know a lot of games like to set things like this by using the opposite gender to the player's chosen gender. Dragon Age 2 even uses this tactic.
There is a certain brutal logic to this. Locking in the worst ending for players who come into the series fresh motivates them to go back and try the other two games in the hopes of getting a better ending. It's kind of a 'you've already played through the worst possible scenario, now go back to the beginning and make things right' sort of situation.
My God. The worst squad mate in the entire franchise (Yes, I'm including Andromeda), Jacob, survives into ME3? But some of the greatest characters in gaming history are dead? With all my love, fuck you Bioware... seriously.
I've had a male Shepard mention Jack instead of Kaiden after romancing her and having her die at the collector base I never played Mass Effect 2 or Mass Effect 3 without importing a Mass Effect save. It's kinda odd people would go into Mass Effect 3 without playing the first two, they're on the same system after all. Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 aren't on PS4, Sony hasn't started allowing backwards compatibility with PS3 games, so starting Dragon Age Inquisition first makes a little bit more sense. Still, without the Dragon Age Keep, all the options chosen for you are Bantha Poodoo! My Hawke is female, it's the same voice as Cirilla after all. My favorite class is Rogue, so at least Bethany 😍 survived instead of Carver in most of my world states. I wonder if the next Mass Effect will have its own keep, choosing Shepard's gender in Andromeda seems like a placebo, I don't recall any pronouns other than Commander I had a playthrough where only Jacob, Garrus and a certain Asari survived the collector base. Only Jacob and Garrus came to the party, met up with that Asari on Earth screaming at me lol 🤪 I do like Ash, interesting choosing her vanilla casual outfit over her armor for field duty, but then they do make that an option. I'm using the Ashley Consistency Project with Project Variety. I wouldn't even care if her hair is down on the ship, but on the field it seems more logical to have it up
Mass Effect 3 was my first game in the trilogy so this is a "normal run" for me. I was suprised at how different and better the game can be when you import characters. That's why I love this trilogy.
As someone who is currently replaying ME3 with a saved import, holy hell is this run CURSED. Watching Liara and Tali die on the beam run ripped my heart to shreds. This is the worst timeline by far.
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Thank GOD for imported save files!
Just so you know this choice 12:44 saved everyone’s opinion of you
15:40 damn it Dan!
It’s crazy how mass effect predicted deep fake technology
It's one of the most predatory F2P games available, not a sponsor I will support.
Can you do a Mass Effect video where you do not romance anyone throughout the entire trilogy? Curious how that plays out.
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my least favorite timeline on the Citadel.
It's an abomination that shouldn't be allowed to happen it's meant to be played from the beginning in mass effect 1 anything else isn't great.
It’s like a dev decided to say “Hold my beer guys!” as they made the most cursed playthroughs for no imports XD
I think its kind of good in a sense. Like its not meant to be a stand alone game and its not meant really for people who havent seen the story so I appreciate that they didnt try to make it its own self contained story to let new ones in. Convince them to start from the beginning and experience it.
@@williammartin1691 Oh yeah that how I actually got into the Mass effect series. I actually borrowed ME3 from a friend and I was wanting to see if I can do things differently if I had played the past games. So I bought the first game then the second and bought literally all the DLCs I was actually drawn into the story and loved every minute of playing them and even bought the Legendary edition to play them all again XD
@@williammartin1691 my exact experience. I finished ME3 wondering if anything in the previous games would have made a difference. The entire time I felt like I was missing something despite how good the storytelling is.
@@turtlejomhonestly if I played just the third one without any prior knowledge id probably ask what the fuck it’s happening with everyone dying lol.
"Oh, you don't have an import? Well f*** you then."
Jacob? Fucking JACOB SURVIVES??! B Y D E F A U L T?!??
truly the worst crime bioware committed with this game state
im screaming at this 🤣🤣🤣
They needed diversity, lol.
To be fair him and Miranda were apart of the big bads group so it makes sense why they would both be alive.
@@gamingman5453 except Miranda now has Cerberus assassins after her, what's his excuse? he wasn't even important enough for TIM to be like "hmm... i know there's another rogue element out there.... what was his name again?"
The whole ME2 crew is wiped out but not Jacob?! Totally the worst timeline.
I bet that Kasumi broke into Bioware
Probably because he and Miranda were default squad mates.
As someone that never played the second this is an absolute win. Idek who those chumps were.
In my super duper bad ending, I made sure to send Jacob through the vents with no loyalty mission completed.
Why yall hate Jacob??
I did this once and quit halfway through. It was soulless. It was like a Shepard was forced into an alternative timeline but his memories of what he knew should of been hung in the air. Ugh.
I'm actually quite impressed with how much work must have went into making all these alternate generic dialogues as to not confuse players who didn't play ME1+2. They clearly did not want to reward players for not having played the previous games though so they made sure it was as cursed as possible.
Must have gone*
Is that why the game was kinda ass?
Considering how much work had to go into accounting for every possible decision in the previous two games, yes. I'm sure that played a big part in why they couldn't stick the landing. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that the devs were running out of time and had to rush the ending.
@@Jim-Bagelyeah, crunch time. Rushed
dude you always create the most psychopath character models, you see this guy you know bad things are about to happen
The return of Ugly Shepard! Brilliant!
It’s funny seeing Shepherds voice coming out of some random create a character lol
Shouldn't you be playing Yu-Gi-Oh?!
out of everyone they killed THEY DECIDED TO KEEP JACOB
that is unironically the funniest thing ever.
More evidence that ME3 was hijacked by fanfic writers -- Kai Leng, the biggest "My bestest OC Do Not Steal!"
literally the only good thing about ponytail assassin boi is Troy Freakin Baker. @@notthemusewere
I am so sorry there isn't a dialogue option where you tell him he almost got taken out by a dying man who snuck off his sickbed. That and when you finally stab the idiot are the high points for that character.
Not helped that at normal difficulty, I had him on the run on Thessia. If he wasn't scripted unkillable...@@XFallenFreakX
In ME2 both Jacob and Garrus was given one set of plot armor ( the one where you say "no" to damage from Collector bullets.) Meanwhile Jack and Samara was given another set of plot armor.
@notthemusewere
It's horrible because Leng was a great hateable villain in the books.
It's honestly impressive how the writers managed to thread the needle of "we don't want players to be too confused despite the fact that they are literally starting the story at the end" and "you absolutely need to be punished for not playing the previous games, why the f would you start at the end you psychopath".
Love how the Mass Effect 2’s default timeline says “Hey, you didn’t play 1. That’s fine, I guess.”
Meanwhile Mass Effect 3 says “OKAY! You HAD TO HAVE PLAYED 2. There is NO CHANCE YOU DIDN’T.”
Wrex dies in me1
@@waleedfarooqi5998 yes, but that is still in the realm of “still salvageable” as long as you save the research in Mordin’s loyalty mission, Eve will survive in ME3 and she is the best hope at that point of the Krogan turning out better.
@@niceofgames
Its not.
Would you consider ME3 "still salvageable" if Tali and GArrus are dead? They arent needed anyway. With James, Liara and Edi we got enough Squadmates to beat the game.
@@Berek71182 if you want a somewhat decent ending, at least Tali is needed.
I play ME3 multiplayer with a guy who didn't know there was a 1 & 2 until Legendary came out
Dissecting the squad list at the end, it's interesting to note that the default world state is one that is impossible to get through normal gameplay. Of the five surviving squadmates, you would have had to have done Garrus and Jacob's loyalty missions and taken them with you to fight the human-reaper so you don't die, but also have an unloyal Mordin, Tali, and Miranda, three of the most likely to die squadmates during the hold the line section, survive when everyone else dies. Even assuming you have an unloyal Zaeed and then kill him at the end of his loyalty mission after the collector base, at minimum, Mordin would still die.
I think it's possible. Grunt is never woken up, legion is the same, zaeed and Kasumi are not met. Jack is killed in the cutscene before the final mission because of no armor plating, samara is sent into the tube and dies, mordin escorts Dr chakwas and survives, thane dies at hold the line.
@@PcCAvioN but mordin's loyalty mission is not completed, he would die escorting chakwas afaik.
@@salamantics correct, the only way him to survive is being loyal so my guess is that in this world state his loyalty mission is done but Maelon data is destroyed. So no reason to mention the data during dialogues
There is a very simple explanation for that and that is Shepard "dies" on the suicide mission. When you start Mass Effect 3 you are playing a different person - a lookalike who has been trained to assume Shepard's identity. If you get your Shepard through the suicide mission Bioware even have a contingency plan. Shepard gets replaced with an imposter during the Arrival DLC when they get knocked out by Object Rho.
I discovered Shepard got replaced in Arrival last December but a few months ago I found the default settings for Mass Effect 3 and I started doing the math. I've also been playing ME2 and in the final battle Harbinger can be heard saying, "Preserve Shepard's body if possible." There's no Saeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Legion and Samara on the SM and Jack and Thane die. Chakwas survives but a disloyal member cannot escort her back.
Therefore, Garrus, Jacob, Mordin, Miranda, Tali, Chakwas and Joker helped knock Shepard out and preserve their body. They preserve Shepard's body for the finale of the trilogy and that was being planned from the very start of Mass Effect 1.
You play a different Shepard in each game. OG Shepard is replaced at the start of Mass Effect 2. Joker causes the blast that knocks Shepard into space and the Collector vessel picks up the body. When Joker says, "Watch the arm," watch his arm as he gets into the escape pod. You wake up in the Cerberus facility playing a different person whose first words are, "This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip." Huh? Thermal clips were developed while Shepard was comatose. They are telling you it's a different person.
Also, why did Bioware have a beauty pageant before the release of Mass Effect 3 where the community could vote on how Femshep looks? Because it's a different person. Why did Bioware make it impossible to import the same custom face from ME2 to ME3? Because it's a different person.
Not only have I discovered Shepard gets replaced with imposters, I have discovered who those imposter are. One is Armistan Banes and the other is Captain Harris Fairchild of the MSV Hugo Gernsback. Both their bodies were collected after they were spaced and you never see them.
Bioware has a canon story which they seeded throughout the game from the beginning to the end. That canon story is about replacing characters with imposters. It is highly likely that canon is classified, gatekept and concealed by NDAs. You will never get them to confess.
The best way to keep Mordin alive, if you have done his loyalty mission, is to send him with the Normandy crew back to the ship when that option presents itself. You can, if you use just the right people, kill off everyone but Zaeed in the hold the line. Then kill off Zaeed in his own loyalty mission after the suicide mission.
Yeah, the worst thing that's happened to me is I did a full run through of all 3 games, got to Grissom Academy and realized David wasn't there... I immediately deleted that Mass Effect 3 save, went back to the Mass Effect 2 save and realized I'd forgotten to do Overlord, so I did that and THEN I did Mass Effect 3... I can't leave David to die.
This is the right path.
Overlord was my favourite DLC, maybe b/c I'm on that spectrum myself.
I had a similar experience where I realized that I had failed to set all the right flags in order to save both the Geth and the Quarrians. I was like, well, it's time to start over in Mass Effect 2.
my games sometimes glitch n dont give me the proper amount of required "Points" so as I play on PC i use save editor to be sure always have enough points. doesn't mean I'll always keep the peace though, just like to have the option to without being locked out.@@FreakazoidRobots
@@zimrielI like that mission, but my personal favorite was the Shadow Broker mission.
I can't believe my first experience of Mass Effect was playing default ME3 on pc before I grabbed trilogy collection on the ps3. Thank goodness I don't remember any of it until this video.
That's rough bro! Was 3 your first Mass Effect game?
@@rustybushel6220 yeah it was. I randomly picked it up at Best Buy. I had no idea what was going on with the story besides the reapers invading but I had fun playing as femshep and I've been a fan ever since.
Funny mass effect 2 was my first time playing mass effect,on the Xbox 360 I literally lost everyone then never went back then I got a Ps3 then I found mass effect 3 and I would only place this version of ME3 cause two different systems lol
Mass effect 3 was my first mass effect game as well. I remembered that the ending seemed a bit lacking, but I assumed that was because I hadn’t played the prequel games prior.
I enjoyed my time with me3 so much that I ended up going back and playing me1 and me2, and thoroughly enjoying them as well. I wonder how many others were introduced to the series like I was?
@@Alkadius1993 I am curious as well. It's my favorite series, so I love hearing these stories about how people came to find it.
Always count on Dan for doing things we probably never would've done during mass effect
Well I did ME3 first before playing backwards lol. Tbh I don’t really remember what I was experiencing when I played with the default state since I didn’t know any prior storylines so of course I wouldn’t know what’s missing or that I played in a not so good world state. So I definitely enjoy this video to remind me again lol
"Jacob unfortunatelly comes back" xD
When you finally get a character that shares your name in real life... 😑
“Somehow, Jacob Taylor returned.”
I think Shepard will be fine dying at the end of this timeline.
In which way? Destroy, Control, or Synthesis.
"You did crap, son. You did crap."
How will he be fine? What does this mean?
Vent god - lives
Literally everyone else - pushing up daisies
💀Vent God has spoken💀
Truly, the Gods hath forsaken us…
If I remember correctly, either someone stated or everyone assumes Bioware did this on purpose to basically force you to import a save
So BioWare was garbage even when they were popular Lmao
@@Jim-BagelOh no, you're supposed to play games 1&2 in a trilogy!? How messed up!
@@Jim-Bagel yeah what assholes, making a heavily story-based trilogy thats only properly effective when you play all 3 games. how dare they make you play 1 and 2 before playing 3?
@@Jim-Bagel rofl lol lmao rofl lol
You could always play through the comic.
I never thought of upgrading Admiral Anderson.
That opening section of ME3 is so basic and short that I never went to the character sub menu.
After all these years, it is wonderful to still learn new things about my third favorite video game franchise.
I didn't even know you could upgrade Anderson. 😂
I was playing yesterday for the 50th time and I discovered that in ME2 when you ask someone for upgrades idea, go into upgrade menu and just do nothing, they have a line about wasting their time
This is exactly how I first experienced Mass Effect. Didn't know how much was carried over to ME3 and just wanted to play a sentinel. All the lore in the background made me want to experience the full story from start to finish.
Mass Effect 3 was the first game I played in the trilogy. I was 13 when the game came out and my mom actually surprised me with it as a “good grades” game.
I remember not having any idea of what was going on or why. I beat the game before extended cut came out and I was very confused. I didn’t complete a full play through until the summer time after ME3 came out, and I’ve been a huge fan ever since.
Ps. ME3 multiplayer was the best and I wish we got it in the legendary edition.
Dude same, my dad was a gamer too and got me into it when be bought it. I was maybe in the 7th grade, so around 11 or 12. Had zero idea of what was going on but immediately fell in love. Then one day after work, he came home with me2 something edition. It had the double discs and all the dlcs. I literally stopped playin me3 to play me2 and it was amazing as well. When i was younger, I didn’t like me1 because it felt boring. Older i got, the more i loved it. 3 is still my baby tho.
RIGHT?!?! I STILL play ME3 multiplayer a couple times a month to this day! It BAFFLES me why they removed it for the Legendary Edition…
I was very young when I first played the original ME and had a very limited vocabulary. So I was absolutely clueless to what was going on. I specifically remember being invited to meet the consort, but with the cutscene that was presented, I thought Shepard was about to have a booty call so I noped out and went exploring uncharted planets - which was actually something I actually really enjoyed for the exploration fantasy.
Then when I returned, I learned that I was unwelcome to the consort for the rest of the game and was genuinely confused why, and only pieced it together later.
Edit: a year or so later when my intelligence improved a little, I proceeded to start a new save and this time ensure to not mess anything up with the help of my older brother - who literally supervised me while I was playing the game. 😂
@@nerdyneo21 servers cost money to run.
@@robertharris6092 the multiplayer is peer to peer
0:43
Bruh
Soap got shot in the head and isekai'd from one shitty universe to another
And that is why you must play the whole trilogy!
sadly, even if you do, me3 will still end feeling like your choices didnt really matter much...
@@marcosdhelenoEh, the endings can be redeemed with side material a la the Star Wars Prequels.
@@michaelandreipalon359 "Goodbye Chewbacca. Miss you, I will"
@@michaelandreipalon359 gonna be honest, hard disagree. ending was probably one of the worst and most disapointing endings to a game i've experienced.
@@Rudoku1 Yeah, the Galactic Battlegrounds and Republic Commando video games, plus the Republic comics, out the war effort on Kashyyyk into a whole new and well meaning light.
Yeah, this was me with my first Mass Effect experience which was on the odd Wii U port. Imagine my surprise when I went back and played the rest of the titles and saw how different things could end up.
I was really curious what the game was like for WiiU players. I'm assuming you still had the Genesis comics?
@@GordonShemway1the game at launch didn't have the genesis comics, they were added in an update about 6 months later if I recall (about the only update the Wii U version got)
The day one experience was cursed indeed
What did you know about Mass Effect before you played? Did you know how much of it built on the game before?
@@BrainAbsoluteZeroI'd already played through all of them on the Xbox 360 before
Picked it up as it was very cheap, as the Wii U never did very well
It includes Javik and the Prothean DLC and the expanded ending but otherwise it's a barebones experience
Only unique feature is the gamepad has a minimap and you can see enemies marked as orange dots
that is so cursed
"If you want the good ending, you need to play two entirely different games first."
No, there's the comic at the start
Especially if you want the perfect ending, those 8000 points aren't gonna collect themselves
@@happygal8804 "Gonna catch em all - War assets."
To be fair, it is a sequel that builds extremely heavily on the story of its predecessors.
If they weren't great game games I might be upset. Besides, there's save game editors for 2 and 3. I can't remember the last time I played 1.
Kaiden being default dead is kinda hilarious
Only with maleshep. If you chose femshep, he survived virmire and ashley died.
Dude , when I was a teenager, my dad bought me3 because he thought it was like halo, me wasn't even on my radar, I was like "who tf is kaiden?" The whole time
@@DeitySkullKid I started with ME2 and was the same way. Who is this Kaiden they talk about (and why should I care about this Ashley person who wasn't harvested during a main mission)?
Its amazing in this game how the soundtrack for certain parts only hits when squad mates from previous games are still alive- if they're dead and replaced by someone else, it's like, "meh, why so dramatic?"
“Haha red shirt death meaningless”
Great character building right there
That was the most cursed shit I've ever seen. Thank you for taking one for the team and doing this so we don't have to.
I remember getting curious when I was a teenager and I did this playthrough. I realized how much the other games mattered before going into this one, and I also realized I was really missing out not having any of the DLC
Citadel dlc was such a unique expirience I really think it has to have been written by an entirely different team.
It’s like Skyrim. A garbage game unless you add a bunch of stupid bs
Funny thing is, I first played Mass Effect 1 and 2 on the XBox.
Unfortunately, it inevitably went Red Ring of Death, so I got ME3 for the Desktop (finally got one that could run, well, ANY game 😅)
So I played through the comic in order to get as close as I could to my end state of ME2 on the XBox....but I think I cheated just to keep all my team alive 😄.
Also: All these years and I had no idea that the squadmates you took on the 'Mad Dash' could die, or that you could actually Destroy The Earth with the Destruction ending (I obviously never played with low War Assets) 😦
As someone who played ME3 before the other two games, it was a night-and-day difference after I did play them and then replayed ME3 with an imported save.
I was delighted that all the squadmates came back in some way. On my first playthrough of ME2, my only casualty on the suicide mission was Thane (because I thought he'd be an ideal tech specialist for some reason), so imagine my surprise when on the subsequent ME3 playthrough, I unintentionally discovered that Kirrahe sacrifices himself for the Salarian councilor.
Okay, to be FAIR to you, the tech specialist is specifically tasked with crawling through a vent, when you first meet thane he's being all sneaky and crawling through vents
I had the same story
So I didn't have Internet when I had my xbox360, so I played through all three games without dlc several times. So a lot of this generic dialogue is my normal. The dlc characters aren't dead, they just don't exist in this timeline
I played ME3 first and had no idea what was going on but it made me fall in love with the trilogy and i promptly went to gamestop and bought ME 1 and 2 I was a junior in HS and it was over the summer
This was how I experienced Mass Effect for the first time and thought "That was alright, though I don't get the hype"
And then I played through the whole trilogy afterwards, I was changed forever. "Nobodies" at the time became my favorites, and when I replayed 3, I was so excited to see them.
Taking a shower with Traynor by accident was funny though.
It sounds like you just admit it’s a bad game though? If it’s living off the hype of the first ones then what does the game have by itself?
Like you said they’re your favorite characters after but they’re still nobodies.
@@Jim-Bagelthere’s a reason the legendary edition is a packaged deal. It’s one story across 3 games told in video game form
@@Jim-Bagelthe trilogy is ONE story
That's exactly what happened to be even the shower lol!
i love how ME3 feels like a punishment for not importing your save files... even when you do import them...
as a side note, i still defend that the better choice would be to just randomize those choices when creating a save file from scratch, as opposed to just picking the worst outcome from them.
ME3 Randomizer speedrun: shepherd lives%
Damn I guess Jacob really is a ‘vent GOD”
What's funny is the first Mass Effect game I ever played was 3. Think I bought it for my son for Christmas the year it came out, and started playing it when he wasn't.
So this video pretty much summed up my first experience with ME.
I then found out that ME1 and ME2 affected ME3, so I bought and played those.
When I finally got back to ME3 with my imported saves, I couldn't believe just how different it was!
That's what hooked me on this series. I thought " well, if the ending was this different on this playthrough, I wonder how it would be changed if I make different decisions on the first two..." And started playing all over again.
Man I remember playing Me3 for the first time when I was younger and had no context for anything happening, definitely don’t miss it now that I got the legendary edition hahaha
The first time I played ME 2, Jack died, so I got her replacement at Grissom and didn't even know he was her replacement til (I think) I had replayed ME 2 and was able to keep Jack alive
“TIME TO DIE”
*dies*
~Urdnot Dagg, 2185
15:35 so.. the only person you can call is STTTEEEEEVVVVEEEE? because no one is going to be calling Jacob 😅
I've done this a few times (with the comic), and even with "fixing the squads problems," selected Miranda still dies.
AKA the Wii U experience.
Funny enough, technically you can save every squadmate in this default timeline since everyone who always dies in ME3 is already dead. And sabotaging the Genophage + saving Mordin is probably the best choice.
9:15 - I far prefer thinking about Earth and the casualities there than just a single person who died on Virmire.
This was how I played Mass Effect 3 for a while because it was my first introduction to the series. It was sad.
It’s just a bad game and they want to spite players that didn’t play their trash games before the 3rd
@@Jim-Bagel The gameplay of 3 solos the first two though, no debate.
I did the game in reverse order. Started with 3 first without any save state and couldn't complete it.
Then bought ME2 and got most of the major plot points, but Wrex was dead along with no other favorable ME1 plot events.
Then finally I bought ME1 and did the whole thing correctly.
3 is definitely the worst of the bunch
Dan, this is how I originally played ME3 on PC after playing ME1 on 360 and ME2 on PS3. Imagine my delight when I finally had them all on the same platform!
Ironically a lot of these default outcomes are how my playthroughs usually go anyway since I tend not to do certain DLCs like Arrival or Overlord, I never talk to Conrad, and I don't think I've ever gotten Liara's father to appear once.
I have only completed Arrival once
I just fear its difficulty
@@channel45853 Same, it's so awful. Time limit, hordes of enemies, and no squadmates? No thanks.
@@MiharuTheFoxHmm, what class do you main on?
@@channel45853Not as bad as Dragon Age: Origins' "Golems at Amgarrak".
@@michaelandreipalon359 Adept
I wonder how many people played this on the Wii U (which didn't have the first two games on the system) and didn't bother with the comic :D
Jacob staying alive in the worst possible timeline, where all the other powerful companions died, is just so fucking hilarious lol
I just wanna say that I absolutely love that you manage to keep coming out with good videos about a single player game series that hasn't had an update in many years. No sarcasm at all lol. I love this series so much and I'm glad there's a channel that breaks down absolutely everything the games have to offer. Cheers dude.
7:13 the way you said "This will have... implications", it was quite funny 😂
When the game first came out my classmates got it but started at 3. I was the only one who did 1 & 2 so it now makes sense why their experience was so wildly different to mine. Also pre extended cut days was rough
mordin not singing is literally the only logical horroible decision as it would go unappreciated
Good Gawd... I was always curious about this, but thx for sparing us the experience.
This was interesting, and SAD :( Nice to see you do Mass Effect vids again!
We don't get crazy headbutting uncle, but we get Jacob? That's an insult.
Leaving the Rachni Queen alive is even worse if she's not the one from Mass Effect 1. Iirc, it turns out that she was indoctrinated and they cause a significant loss of war assets later on in the game.
You haven't seen a cursed Mass Effect timeline until you watch Kevduit's Mass Effect as a Psychopath series.
Even more fun run in the series is where you kill everyone (obviously Renegade) and no attempts to intimidate even if you have enough Renegade to do so.
Judge Shepard. Well executioner really :)
Got to say Dan, but I love your content, I used your guides thus far- to be able to create a damn near perfect mass effect 3 playthrough and endgame save with nearly every single asset and all squadmates (RIP Kaiden, Mordin, Legion, and Thane) via the legendary editions of the trilogy. Absolutely beautiful work!
If you play ME3 without playing the great games in the series, you deserve what you get!
I tend to agree. I did the opposite: ME1-2 (Zaeed died in the suicide-mission, but screw him, he's ripoff DLC) and just... refused to play ME3. In part because of that stupid ending but more because of that arrogant warning the Bioware / EA forum posted on the day the game came out and we all learnt about the stupid ending.
Anyway now it's all on Legendary excepting the unmissed and unwanted "Pinnacle" DLC, and can be had for a song during Steam sales, so I might venture back in there after all...
About dr. Michel didn't know: yeah, that obv that if u never met her in ME1 she'll never know us...
...but i never tried that option :( Love her voice and also character.
Thats actually what my first playthrough was. I was a kid and didnt really think that past games affected anything, so just got the newest and played lol
My first ever ME game was 3 and this is exactly how I experienced the game. Almost ten years later when I started playing the legendary edition did I realise just how much stuff did I miss back then.
Just a sidenote, Dan. If you would have brought Javik instead of EDI, he calls Wreav's arrogance stupidity. And then you get this.
Wreav: What are you exactly?
Javik: Prothean.
Wreav: Really? How many of you are left?
Javik: Enough to kill you...
"One is enough."
As a person that started with ME3 back in 2012, with no Genesis and no import - I loved that decision, to take the worst timeline. I actually made my introduction with ME even worse by picking "Combat mode", or whatever it was called. I thought this was difficulty option, so picked it. Maybe someone doesn't know, but it turns off ALL choices in the game, so you just sit there (by the way, another video idea). I didn't even knew ME was an RPG, I thought it was 3rd person shooter, so that didn't raised any suspicion at first. Only at first visit to the Citadel I've seen dialogue wheel for the first time. I found it strange, went to options, and boom, now I can make choices in dialogue. Mind blowing stuff. So, I kept on keeping on, played all the way to Citadel coup or so, and figured - well, that game is actually quite decent, and not just a shooty shooter for the evening I was expecting. Tried to find ME1 copy, couldn't do it, so got myself a ME2. Finished it, couldn't figure out how to import saves, played through entire ME3 with default timeline, finally got ME1, played through entire trilogy with import this time, and... Well, that experience was something else. It was CRAZY to me how much different things were, how many characters I have missed, how different your perception on Krogans, and Salarians, and Quarians and Geth turns out to be, when you play from the start and you are the one who makes all of the decisions. Default timeline didn't ruined my experience, it lovingly gatekept true ME from me, until I was ready to appreciate it to its fullest, without my backwards way of introduction
Dan doesn't disappoint. This lad is mad. Nice
You know it's the worst timeline when JACOB was the one representing ME2 by surviving!
To quote Delan on Horizon: "All the good people we lost, and YOU get left behind? Figures..."
Bro said Jacob is default alive, that's the End Times scenario lol
Can't believe they wouldn't even throw a bone for one of ME2's good companions.
Finally, someone who takes pity on the guy.
Afaik in the Wii U version of Mass Effect 3 it's impossible to achieve peace between geth and the quarians because the comic choices do not contain the necessary decisions.
wrong, it is. i've done it multiple times.
Yeah... like I said before, is the game's way to punish players for not playing the previous games or not using the Genesis comic (and for WiiU players they're pretty much forced to use the Genesis comic AND multiplayer to get the best destroy ending or the other NOT worst outcomes), but if you want to play the game regardless of the bad outcomes, is still interesting to say the least.
Oh no, playing the horrendous ME3 ending so many times is mental torture
Good grief that's depressing. I laughed at keeping Jacob alive, I always leave that dork behind and interact with him as little as I can get away with. My worst renegade playthrough wasn't anywhere near this tragic tho. I think this would've depressed me if I had done it myself lol.
8:56 reminded me of the launch trailer, god that thing was so good, defenders of the earth by 2 steps from hell combined with the visuals and audio was so good
Oh the dreaded no save. Good luck Dan
It’s like the Devs were actively punishing players who did not play the first two games and their DLCs. Remember, that some of the best outcomes require not just playing the first two games but also the DLC in those games.
wow I didn't realise how cursed this is
Wait..... LEGIO IS DEAD?... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NOT MA BOY LEGION D: HIS UNIT HAD A SOUL!!
FUCK THIS TIMELINE!
"It could be wor-"
BDG: "Jacob survives..."
"It's the worst timeline."
I'm at least thankful all i had to deal with was trying to recreate my shepherd with pictures from my 3ds.
Quick correction on the assumptions for FemShep since the options mentioned during the romance section made me think something was off: the Virmire survivor isn't Ashley for FemShep, it's Kaidan. That way both genders have the same number of romance options (the Virmire survivor, Liara, and Traynor for FemShep/Cortez for male Shep). I started a quick save to confirm this and got Kaidan during the cutscene on Earth.
I applaud you for doing this though, very interesting to see how the default options play out. It kinda reinforces my instinct to always play through the whole trilogy on any character I want to take through. The biggest issue for me is the companion deaths, I'm always very protective of my companions, so I'd hate to lose any of them just because you straight up couldn't possibly save them (see Miranda here, since it seems her survival requires her loyalty in ME2).
I think the worst part of this run was having to look at this Shepard's face.
What makes this even more stupid is that ME3 released on the Wii U, without the first two games. So players who either intentionally or unintentionally skipped the comic, will quite literally need to play one of the worst timelines. Since they can’t play the first two games on that platform at all.
Heck, even if you do the comic. It isn’t too extensive, and you don’t get to decide if you do the DLC’s or get to specifically choose which characters survive and which don’t. So even with the comic, ME3 Wii U is still a compromised experience
Mass effect 3 was the first mass effect game I played, meaning I played with no imported save, this is weird since Thane and wrex were alive for me
you probably did the comic prelude which gives you the choices necessarily to save them
@@sladeswanson1013 I had no dlc of downloadable content whatsoever
It just kept getting worse!
Miranda’s horizon death speech always hurts my soul. If they went to the trouble of making generic dialogue for new players I don’t see why more story missions were excluded
as someone who only got mass effect 3 (free with a new PC), this is pretty much what my run looked like. Except i was able to get the synthesis ending because i did the multiplayer thing for more war score.
Did you ever go back and play the whole trilogy?. As someone who bought a XBox just so i could play the first game, i am curious what your impression was of the series.
@@cmmosher8035 currently no. i do have the whole trilogy + DLC from the Mass Effect Legendary edition which i bought some time ago, but i haven't had the time required to get into it just yet.
Not going in blind though, i know roughly what's going on. The story seems fun, though it's a shame they bailed on the "Dark Energy" idea
Bioware we should save this companions Thane, Grunt, Samara, Jack, Wrex...?
-Nah
What about the Ventgod?
-What kind of question is that? of course Jacob is alive he's the best companion after all.
I did that when the game first launched because I wasn't sure I wanted to play the first two games again (I didn't have any saves at the time). I made it to the end of Tuchanka and decided it was absolutely unacceptable and went back and played 1 and 2 all over again so I could have "my" Shepard complete the story.
Damn, out of all people Kanye from dollar store lives? Yeah, they knew what they were doing
not dollar store kanye kkkk
Fun fact, I actually got the Mass Effect games in reverse order. So the first one I got was Mass Effect three, then two, and then the original mass effect. It just kind of happened that way. But I always think that’s really funny.
Also contacts, I got into the series when I was a kid. I asked my parents to get me Mass Effect so I could play it, and the third one just happened to be the one they got me.
I wonder if Kaiden or Ashley's survival are tied to Shepard's gender. I know a lot of games like to set things like this by using the opposite gender to the player's chosen gender.
Dragon Age 2 even uses this tactic.
The answer is: yes, Kaiden is the default VS if you start either ME2 or ME3 as FemShep.
Yes. Yes it is
There is a certain brutal logic to this. Locking in the worst ending for players who come into the series fresh motivates them to go back and try the other two games in the hopes of getting a better ending. It's kind of a 'you've already played through the worst possible scenario, now go back to the beginning and make things right' sort of situation.
My God. The worst squad mate in the entire franchise (Yes, I'm including Andromeda), Jacob, survives into ME3? But some of the greatest characters in gaming history are dead? With all my love, fuck you Bioware... seriously.
I pity Jacob though. He's no Virmire Survivor, Vega, or even Traynor and Cortez, but...
Anywho, nice seeing you here, IoN!
@@michaelandreipalon359 Likewise good Sir.
WHY BIOWARE???? WHYYY
Jacob or Liam, the ultimate duo of shit
Rip Miranda's ass, gone but never forgotten
I've had a male Shepard mention Jack instead of Kaiden after romancing her and having her die at the collector base
I never played Mass Effect 2 or Mass Effect 3 without importing a Mass Effect save. It's kinda odd people would go into Mass Effect 3 without playing the first two, they're on the same system after all. Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 aren't on PS4, Sony hasn't started allowing backwards compatibility with PS3 games, so starting Dragon Age Inquisition first makes a little bit more sense. Still, without the Dragon Age Keep, all the options chosen for you are Bantha Poodoo! My Hawke is female, it's the same voice as Cirilla after all. My favorite class is Rogue, so at least Bethany 😍 survived instead of Carver in most of my world states. I wonder if the next Mass Effect will have its own keep, choosing Shepard's gender in Andromeda seems like a placebo, I don't recall any pronouns other than Commander
I had a playthrough where only Jacob, Garrus and a certain Asari survived the collector base. Only Jacob and Garrus came to the party, met up with that Asari on Earth screaming at me lol 🤪
I do like Ash, interesting choosing her vanilla casual outfit over her armor for field duty, but then they do make that an option. I'm using the Ashley Consistency Project with Project Variety. I wouldn't even care if her hair is down on the ship, but on the field it seems more logical to have it up
Yeah, kriff Morinth!
Mass Effect 3 was my first game in the trilogy so this is a "normal run" for me.
I was suprised at how different and better the game can be when you import characters.
That's why I love this trilogy.
As someone who is currently replaying ME3 with a saved import, holy hell is this run CURSED. Watching Liara and Tali die on the beam run ripped my heart to shreds. This is the worst timeline by far.