Shepard: "Don't try to intimidate me, Captain" Quarian Captain: "Or what?" Shepard: "Or I take off this mask and breathe germs all over your nice clean ship..."
Your videos on the consequences of Mass Effect are very entertaining. Could you possibly do Dragon Age: Origins and explore the multiple choices throughout those games too?
@@TylerNOS386277 Shepard: *looks at Tali* *looks back at Quarian guards* "This one was my idea, just wanted to see what would happen, I had no idea about anything that happened before. Believe me."
I love the fact that when the admiral points out that Legion is in the audience of the trial, the rest of the audience gasp in shock and horror that a Geth is with them. Like did they not notice Legion standing with them when the trial started. It’s just too funny for me.
@@Askhat08 *Legion grabs a random desklamp of a desk.* Legion: "Attention suspect Geth spydrone, relinquish your comms protocol so we may find your masters."
Ok this is random but but it reminds me of the trial in Batman Forever where Harvey Dent gets acid thrown on him then Batman jumps in from the seats to subdue the attacker. But that implies that Batman in full costume was just sitting in on a trial in the audience seating, that always made me laugh as a kid.
@@karabeansweet yes, blocking you from bringing him is bad, but letting you bring him and having ZERO reactions to it would be far far worse because it completely ignores it.
On my first playthrough I did this without even thinking about it. when the doors opened and the quarian guards started pointing their guns at me I was like. Oh right I have a geth with me
Did this also on a paragon run. Got curious to see if it could be done. What a reward! Timing is a bit tricky so you don’t get half your crew and squad mates killed. If you ignore the constant nagging about going and getting the iff, then you’ll be fine.
@@1rgam3r On a first play through, it's a real mind fuck if you go for the IFF early. Constant replays have been a huge benefit for me, and I NEVER get tired of it. And timing has to be right. You literally have to do everything else you wanna do, leave Legion and Tali for last, and then do Tali's loyalty mission DIRECTLY after getting Legion. (or directly after Legion's loyalty mission. I'm currently replaying 1 and finished 3 a few weeks ago, so 2 is kinda blending right now XD)
@@karabeansweet In my Paragon FemShep playthrough, I did Tali's Loyalty Mission after getting Legion. Then I did Legion's Loyalty Mission. 😊 And I was still able to save everyone. 😊
What Legion says: *"THIS PLATFORM IS NOT AVALIABLE FOR EXPERIMENTATION"* What Legion thinks: *help us Shepard, We're scared, get the scary lady away from us*
Shepard: "Don't try to intimidate me, Captain" Quarian Captain: "Or what?" Shepard: "Or I'll use MY intimidate option, and I doubt your helmet can survive the impact."
If you bring Legion with you during Tali's Trial and explore all additional dialogue options with the admirals, send Veetor back to the Migrant Fleet instead of with Cerberus, save Kal'Reegar, and ask both Veetor and Kal'Reegar for their help standing up for her on the Rayya, you can also get the option to rally the crowd at the end of the trial, keeping Tali safe from being exiled without having to use Charm or Intimidate. :)
@@BurningEarthProductions nah its not so strange. I imagine there is not many people that did not bought legion into a migrant Fleet. It is kind of an obvius choice
@@bullet2800 Admiral Raan is voice acted by Shohreh Aghdashloo who also plays Chrisjen Avarasarala on the expanse series (hard sci fi show on Amazon adapted from the novels)
This is why the Mass Effect trilogy is so great. They actually acknowledge all the different ways a player can go about things. Games like Skyrim will flat out ignore major player choices, let alone the details like this.
Skyrim is of course a very different type of game. Morrowind however was more prone to recognize your choices. The issue is how much choice the player has as well as the cost of voicing all those choices. Morrowind was text mostly so it was easy to record all the many choices you could choose from. When Skyrim came out it was almost entirely voiced which means you don't get as many choices. true is also with Mass Effect- It ultimately is forced to limit player interactivity to an extent and can't have as many missions as it would if it was not required to voice everything. Moral of the story is not everything needs to be voiced. Some of my favorite missions from the ME series were un-voiced side missions.
@@MrChickennugget360 True, not everything needs to be voiced, but sometimes acknowledging player choice is as simple as a tweak showing in game changes. Like in Skyrim, they could have simply have made the Forsworn not hostile after helping Madanach....but then again, mods fix most problems.
In Tali's defence, she said "I would never *send* active Geth to the fleet". The decision to *bring* Legion is Shepard's alone, not Tali's. Having a Geth arrive with her, is superficial evidence, since it has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
plus this time, shepard and tali both promise to kill legion if it proves to be dangerous. it's different than "sending an active geth" to a lab that may not have been prepared to combating geth.
This is also why bringing Javik and Liara is amazing, she talks about the protheans and the goddess, and Javik just says "Bruh, I had lunch with the guy like two weeks ago" thats the vibe at least.
Tali and Legion are my favorite companions, mostly because of how opposite the two are. They have a great arc of learning to work together (if you make the right decisions)
@@goratron1it's more shameful considering that early on development Bioware was thinking about getting Legion in team much earlier. AFAIK he had unique interaction on a Garrus recruiting mission
It’s amazing how great Legion makes this mission when you bring him along and the amount of new actions & dialogue Bioware put into this encounter. It’s a pity he’s such a late addition to the story, would have loved to have him on more missions.
Well Mordin is sacrificing himself to right his mistakes Legion says that when you opt to choose the Quarians over the Geth condemning them to extinction
That's not Legion's best line. When he sacrifices himself to help save the quarians and the geth, tali says he does have a soul. He just says "I know" The only time he referred to himself in the first person. Recognizing his existence as a living entity only in the last moments of his life.
“I never brought in active Geth in to the fleet” - Tali. She does now (well Shepard anyway) Incidentally, I find it to hard to be a complete renegade through in ME2 and 3, as the character ends up too much of an anti-social a##hole for my liking. Which is probably credit to the character and dialogue created.
I find it hard to play 100% one or another. Full renegade is an asshole and you loose so much content, interactions and wholesomeness. Full paragon is too much of a pussy IMO and I think it's boring. Renegon is the best way.
Paragon Shepard stepping in to be Legion's human shield is heartwarming even in the current situation they find themselves in. He basically said "you want Legion dead? It's a two-for-one deal."
@@a_llama You joking? I know folks who lost loved ones. In that context, simply not voting is *HIGH PRAISE!* Gallows humor is hard to pull off while the event is still going down after all.
I swear, I feel so much sympathy for Legion. The way he just turns his head or shifts nervously as soon as the Quarians "call him out" makes me just want to hug him. Legion is definitely one of the best characters in the game for me, including Thane, Liara and Mordin. I wish we could've chosen him as a crewmate in ME3... I recall really enjoying his first mission!
I used to love modding ME2 back in the day. I thought it was amazing how legion had voiced and working dialog *for the entire game* despite normally you can only recruit -him- it near the end. Playing with -him- it from the beginning was fascinating.
Originally the story was the geth bring shepherd back and legion would take on Mirandas role. At some point this was changed to Cerberus but not before legion was fully voice acted and animated for the entire game even the first mission of me2 has legion dialogue.
@@syveenwolf I would actually prefer this to what we actually got even though what we got was already amazing. To work with the geth throughout the game and learn their ways and motivations beyond simply talking to Legion would be a sight to behold.
@@MarceloZ2 unfortunately the geth way would've been very difficult to pull off in a meaningful way. Cerberus are jackasses but nobody was at war with them. Meanwhile the geth we're at war with everyone in the galaxy at one point or another. It would've been difficult to justify working with them
I remember being in tears laughing when I first did this. I thought about this possibility one night years ago and redid an entire playthrough just to see if it was possible. "Tali you're being accused of bringing active get to the fleet" "What!? That's insane." Lmao!
Same and that's because of the reaper IFF countdown. If you could choose when to start the install THEN the two mission timer begins it would be so much better
I mean let's be honest, if during your play through you had the opportunity to bring a geth platform onto the migrant fleet and chose not to, did you REALLY play the ME trilogy? 😅
@@GhostGamer799 if I remember correctly, you can do both Tali's and Legion's loyalty mission and still be able to save the rest of the Normandy crew. I think the only requirement is that those 2 missions are the only missions you play before the last mission
I already knew what happens if you bring Legion to the trial having played ME2 a whole bunch of times, but I'm most impressed that it has an effect on ME3. They took time to write in a line that maybe 1 in 1000 players would hear.
The intial step onto the ship is far more friendly, with the guard expressing sympathy for Tali's position. Koris objects to Shepard representing Tali, to which you can point out that he's the one who changed Tali's legal name... And thus the reason you're her lawyer. Background chatter is instead people questioning whether or not Tali is innocent, and commenting on Shepard's ability to handle the court. Admiral Xen still obsesses over experimenting on Geth, but just in general. Tali still calls her insane.
I hate that getting Legion is tied to how many crew members die in ME2, forces you to get him right at the end if you want the best ending. Edit: I am referring to your non-combat crewmates like Kelly Chambers and Dr. Chakwas, not the ME2 Squadmates that go with you on missions.
you will have atleast two missions to complete before you have to make the choice to go after your crew once you recruit Legion. That is enough time to finish Tali and Legion loyality mission but yes you have to get Legion last if you want everyone to survive.
There's a mod called Mass Effect 2 Recalibrated, I just don't know how to install it. It lets you get Legion at any time after you get the Reaper IFF mission by giving you control over when to install said IFF and opens up Illium early so you can get Thane and Samara before Horizon. I'm pretty sure you can recruit Tali early too.
@@AnimeShinigami13 it’s been a while since I’ve played mass effect 2, but I’m fairly certain there’s a mod manager similar to what dragon age origins had. It’s either in the games files already, or you have to install it separately. It’s either that, or I remember there being some very detailed installation instructions in the files of the mod itself
There was cut content where legion was going to be one of first squadmates you get in fact it was the geth who bring shepard back to life in that cut content.Would have been cool to see that
I did this for the fun of it on my first renegade playthrough, and I've done it every time since. Quite possibly the best extra squad mate dialogue in a loyalty mission in the entire franchise. Also always take Tali on Legion's loyalty mission. Best way to do that while still ensuring squad survival in the suicide mission, make sure you only save Tali's loyalty mission for after you get the Reaper IFF, do Tali's loyalty mission next, and then go straight to Legion's loyalty mission. Also make sure to get all of your ship upgrades and other hub planet upgrades before you get the Reaper IFF.
Would this be considered the 'canon' version of events for this mission? There's so much unique dialogue, I'm tempted to try it when Legendary Edition comes out.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake Tali loyality mission can be done with Legion after you recuit Legion. The game gives you two Major Missions timer before the events that lead to the suicide mission happens so you basically recuit legion last and after you just complete both Tali and Legion Loyality mission after then the event where the crew is taken happens.
@@orrthehunter If you don't care about rescuing the crew you could do it so you bring legion on every loyalty mission, It's a wonderfully flexible game
I mean, there's no true, single canon in Mass Effect (at this point anyway, we'll see what ME4 does) but even if there was I don't think bringing Legion here would be canon. It feels _really_ inexplicable that any version of Shepard would choose to take it there since it's so obviously a bad idea. It's like choosing obviously incorrect squadmates for tasks on the suicide mission; sure you _can_ do it but it's inconceivable that Shepard could be that stupid.
@I.M. Shirley Rongh yeah I have to say, I bought the remaster. It's super awesome and all but the 11th time mass effect isn't going to be wildly different from the 10th time :/ I wanted to do a 100% back to back run, but I'm not even halfway in ME1
Last time I played, I planned it out. I knew after getting Legion, you could only do 2 missions before the Collectors abduct your crew and you had to go to the base immediately to get the best ending. One is Legion's loyalty mission, of course, the other is Tali's, which I saved just so I could bring Legion along :)
This is a constant for all my play throughs. Since there's an invisible timer of 2 missions from getting to Legion to the trigger of the potential end game event, I always do Legions and Tali's loyalty mission within that time.
Ha just at the point of recruitring Legion via IFF mission having recruited everyone else and all loyalty missions done except for Tali's and Legions OFC. Wanted to see what the Quarians reactions would be like. Been a tough slog getting to this point for me doing it on insanity mode. Its gonna be fun. will enjoy this (2 hrs ) after this comment was posted 🥇☣🔚.
Somehow this makes my feelings towards the ending of Mass Effect 3 even stronger. There should have always been a way to destroy the reapers without killing all sentient AI and allow for Shepard to survive. The game was always about playing it your way and Shepard was right when he said reaper tech was too dangerous.
This is why I would never use the Destroy option. I'd rather die than genocide the geth. Ever since I heard their story in ME1 I sympathised with them and longed to broker peace between them and the quarians.
@@realquestforgreatness which doesn't make much sense "it won't discriminate" "also you have to sac yourself" "Also somehow the Geth are discriminated"
I strive for enjoying all the small details in the grand scheme of things when it comes to Mass Effect, Especially Mass Effect 3 which I used to feel differently about it's amazing how 10 years since you've played a game can change how you enjoy the game as you change as well.
I realize it's two separate universes / IPs, but can you imagine the banter between Legion and HK47 from Star Wars: KotOR? That'd be the best interaction EVER! 😊
she says she would never "send" active geth to the migrant fleet. technically she isn't lying. she didn't send legion there, she brought him. there is a difference no matter how subtle
Thank you. I’ve played mass effect trilogy 6 to 7 time play through seen most of the video you have shown myself by playing it before but for the first time I never seen this or thought to do this as an option. Subscribed!!
6:52 Technically Tali is still correct in saying SHE would never send active Geth to the fleet because Legion being their was Shepard's decision. Tali even protests while walking onto the ship at the beginning of the mission.
@@winternet9478 oh ok. I’ll have to look for it. Just that when I’ve played through it and seen other play throughs they haven’t done that. Barring one when I saw Pete Complete do it and I was like “interesting. Might have to investigate for myself when I get to that point in the game”
Here's a link to my video on how to save everyone th-cam.com/video/EPVP1K8Ti3s/w-d-xo.html You can complete Legion's loyalty mission and still save the crew so long as you do it before they get kidnapped by Collectors. Once the crew gets nabbed you have to do the final mission straightaway or you'll lose some of them
@@BigDanGaming yeah I got that part but wasn’t sure if you did both tali’s and legion’s loyalty missions after you recruit legion, does that have an affect on crew deaths following abduction? Ie does crew abduction trigger at any point before you do both tali’s and legion’s loyalty after recruiting legion or only afterwards?
@@tombardsley3081 I know this is late but if you have a few missions piled up, you can immediately do Tali's loyalty mission, then unlock Legion's, then do his before the collector attack since you get 2 missions. Alternatively... You can just do it after the suicide mission.
I love your videos man, I don't think Bioware gets enough credit for planning for all the intricacies that can happen over the three games. Especially for scenarios that most players would never experience without doing it on purpose.
that was great, I never thought about doing this. That is why I like this trilogy a lot. They get you so involved with your crew and others, that when your actions get them killed it's really a blow emotionally. I find that when I make the rounds to check in with everyone, I feel a little pain of regret and loss when I see their empty workstation. That is quality work when they can get you emotionally attached to a NPC you miss them when their gone. B(
Shepard: "Don't try to intimidate me, Captain"
Quarian Captain: "Or what?"
Shepard: "Or I take off this mask and breathe germs all over your nice clean ship..."
I Love this Dialog.
One of the best in the game
Keep the great content up mate 👍👍
renegade shepard often has the best punchlines
Your videos on the consequences of Mass Effect are very entertaining.
Could you possibly do Dragon Age: Origins and explore the multiple choices throughout those games too?
@Roo Morgoo probably would have apologized and asked legion to go back to the ship.
Tali: "I never brought active Geth to the fleet!"
Legion: *exists*
Tali: "I never *intentionally* brought active Geth to the fleet."
Tali: "I never brought active Geth to the fleet!"
Legion: *exists*
Tali: "It was all Commander Shepard's idea."
@@TylerNOS386277 Shepard: *looks at Tali*
*looks back at Quarian guards*
"This one was my idea, just wanted to see what would happen, I had no idea about anything that happened before. Believe me."
lol, a callback to "Geth don't 'intentionally' infiltrate."
I never brought active geth
...until now
Legion: exists
I love the fact that when the admiral points out that Legion is in the audience of the trial, the rest of the audience gasp in shock and horror that a Geth is with them. Like did they not notice Legion standing with them when the trial started. It’s just too funny for me.
I more like that Legion is also be like "Geth? Where?"
@@Askhat08
*Legion grabs a random desklamp of a desk.*
Legion: "Attention suspect Geth spydrone, relinquish your comms protocol so we may find your masters."
"Geth do not intentionally infiltrate, but apparently we are really damn good at it."
Ok this is random but but it reminds me of the trial in Batman Forever where Harvey Dent gets acid thrown on him then Batman jumps in from the seats to subdue the attacker. But that implies that Batman in full costume was just sitting in on a trial in the audience seating, that always made me laugh as a kid.
The Gerth are masters of infiltration!
Although, to be fair. Tali is still right in having never brought a live Geth onboard, it was actually Shepherd that did it.
Sheppard flexing on the migrant fleet
My bad…
technically fair*
she still didnt resist that decision with tooth and nail nor send a message about if beforehand
@@KalashVodka175 "get dabbed on lmao"
-sheperd
I tripping more on the fact your name is “TheSuicider66”
Tali: “But I would never send active geth to the fleet.”
Legion: Creator Zorah. This is an awkward anomaly most organics refer to as a “Bruh moment.”
I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite contradiction on the internet
Tali: “But I would never send active geth to the fleet.”
Shepard: "Well, I would."
someone should record that, mod it into the game and let the community use it XD
Most games would be like “you can’t bring this companion for this mission” to avoid all unique interactions.
I love that BioWare embraces it
Or even worse, have Legion brought along and have the Quarians give no reaction.
@@Sh0tgunJust1ce
I mean.. but that's not the case. Hence why I said I love that BioWare embraces unique interactions.
Or they allow it only to have it be just like bringing anyone else as if they changed races for the mission.
@@karabeansweet yes, blocking you from bringing him is bad, but letting you bring him and having ZERO reactions to it would be far far worse because it completely ignores it.
On my first playthrough I did this without even thinking about it. when the doors opened and the quarian guards started pointing their guns at me I was like. Oh right I have a geth with me
Same, I thought they were gonna kill Legion.
Did this also on a paragon run. Got curious to see if it could be done. What a reward! Timing is a bit tricky so you don’t get half your crew and squad mates killed. If you ignore the constant nagging about going and getting the iff, then you’ll be fine.
@@1rgam3r On a first play through, it's a real mind fuck if you go for the IFF early. Constant replays have been a huge benefit for me, and I NEVER get tired of it. And timing has to be right. You literally have to do everything else you wanna do, leave Legion and Tali for last, and then do Tali's loyalty mission DIRECTLY after getting Legion. (or directly after Legion's loyalty mission. I'm currently replaying 1 and finished 3 a few weeks ago, so 2 is kinda blending right now XD)
@@karabeansweet
In my Paragon FemShep playthrough, I did Tali's Loyalty Mission after getting Legion. Then I did Legion's Loyalty Mission. 😊 And I was still able to save everyone. 😊
@@KritoSkywaker I just recently did this as well. So yup
What Legion says: *"THIS PLATFORM IS NOT AVALIABLE FOR EXPERIMENTATION"*
What Legion thinks: *help us Shepard, We're scared, get the scary lady away from us*
"Shepard-Commander? We wanna go home... :'("
“Shepard-Commander, this unit would like to return to the Normandy now.”
Giving me feels man, sad feels for Legion Bro.
@@kainepeterson6638 I'm just imagining if Legion has access to Shepard's UI on their helmet, it's just a constant:
"Help"
"Help"
"Help"
The one Quarian feared by the Geth. Admiral Daro'Xen vas Moreh.
"Don't try to intimidate me, Captain."
"Or what?"
"You... can't see my level, can you?"
clearly he's not a shop owner 🤡
"Do you know just how many guns I've got, can use effectively, and carry?"
It's ME2. Your level doesn't mean much if you don't have something to crouch behind.
It's OVER 9000!!!!!
"Ah, Captain, your name must translate to Able in english. Well, let me introduce you to my friend Cain"
Tali: "I would never bring active geth to the fleet"
Legion: *quietly beep boops in the corner*
Tali - "I never brought active geth onto the migrant fleet!"
Legion - *is there*
Talia - "This one is on Shepard, not me"!
Shepard: "Don't try to intimidate me, Captain"
Quarian Captain: "Or what?"
Shepard: "Or I'll use MY intimidate option, and I doubt your helmet can survive the impact."
"hahaha, I like this human. He understands."
If you bring Legion with you during Tali's Trial and explore all additional dialogue options with the admirals, send Veetor back to the Migrant Fleet instead of with Cerberus, save Kal'Reegar, and ask both Veetor and Kal'Reegar for their help standing up for her on the Rayya, you can also get the option to rally the crowd at the end of the trial, keeping Tali safe from being exiled without having to use Charm or Intimidate. :)
That works regardless of legions involvement
Nope works for all companions not only for Legion
You are both correct. My apologies.
@@BurningEarthProductions no Problem mate, nice to see that there are still civilised people left on the internet
@@BurningEarthProductions nah its not so strange. I imagine there is not many people that did not bought legion into a migrant Fleet. It is kind of an obvius choice
Whenever Chrisjen Avasarala speaks you best listen to her.
Huh?
@@bullet2800 Admiral Raan is voice acted by Shohreh Aghdashloo who also plays Chrisjen Avarasarala on the expanse series (hard sci fi show on Amazon adapted from the novels)
@@bullet2800 th-cam.com/video/cmRQXpbeA-0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AmazonPrimeVideo
@@Aurica34 Shohreh Aghdashloo was also in the TV series "24." I was like: oh, Admiral Raan!
@@Aurica34 the expanse is also basically like a spiritual live action adaptation of mass effect. XD
This is why the Mass Effect trilogy is so great. They actually acknowledge all the different ways a player can go about things. Games like Skyrim will flat out ignore major player choices, let alone the details like this.
Skyrim is of course a very different type of game. Morrowind however was more prone to recognize your choices. The issue is how much choice the player has as well as the cost of voicing all those choices. Morrowind was text mostly so it was easy to record all the many choices you could choose from. When Skyrim came out it was almost entirely voiced which means you don't get as many choices.
true is also with Mass Effect- It ultimately is forced to limit player interactivity to an extent and can't have as many missions as it would if it was not required to voice everything.
Moral of the story is not everything needs to be voiced. Some of my favorite missions from the ME series were un-voiced side missions.
@@MrChickennugget360 True, not everything needs to be voiced, but sometimes acknowledging player choice is as simple as a tweak showing in game changes. Like in Skyrim, they could have simply have made the Forsworn not hostile after helping Madanach....but then again, mods fix most problems.
@@justinboivin its funny to think about but Skyrim is older than Mass Effect 3
Skyrim is as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle. Enjoyable but superficial.
@@justinboivin some of them aren’t hostile to you. He and his forsworn are friendly when they reach their hideout.
In Tali's defence, she said "I would never *send* active Geth to the fleet". The decision to *bring* Legion is Shepard's alone, not Tali's. Having a Geth arrive with her, is superficial evidence, since it has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
plus this time, shepard and tali both promise to kill legion if it proves to be dangerous. it's different than "sending an active geth" to a lab that may not have been prepared to combating geth.
Tali: “I’d never bring live gets to the fleet”
Admirals: “girl what you been putting in your suit filter, we can see that metal MF right there!”
I always love the way legions head plates all flip up a bit when he walks into guns pointing at him, like “ahh, don’t like this”
I purposely brought legion and Tali with me just to see what would happen its great.
Same. Was not disappointed.
The only problem is that by taking Legion with you, you have to do Talis loyalty mission last which means you lose conversation time with her.
This is also why bringing Javik and Liara is amazing, she talks about the protheans and the goddess, and Javik just says "Bruh, I had lunch with the guy like two weeks ago" thats the vibe at least.
*THIS PLATFORM IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR EXPERIMENTATION*
Savage.
This is what iPhones say when you try to repair them.
Tali and Legion are my favorite companions, mostly because of how opposite the two are. They have a great arc of learning to work together (if you make the right decisions)
Shame legion didn't come into the story earlier.
@@goratron1it's more shameful considering that early on development Bioware was thinking about getting Legion in team much earlier. AFAIK he had unique interaction on a Garrus recruiting mission
Oh that's Morrigan. Well, Claudia Black. And you can really hear it in the "indeed." 😄
She'll always be Officer Aeryn Sun first and foremost 😊
Nah, it's always Vala Mal Doran. SG1!
Its always "Yes mommy"
I mean What?
Not only Morrigan but Loghain as well. A mini DAO reunion 😁
It’s amazing how great Legion makes this mission when you bring him along and the amount of new actions & dialogue Bioware put into this encounter. It’s a pity he’s such a late addition to the story, would have loved to have him on more missions.
More emotionally charged line in ME3: "had to be me, someone else might have gotten it wrong" or "Does this unit have a soul?"
Not fair! They're both great lines! I hate how they kill off both of them too.
"My turn... heeeh heeeh heeh..."
"Shepard... did I help...?"
-Conrad Verner, dying words
Well Mordin is sacrificing himself to right his mistakes
Legion says that when you opt to choose the Quarians over the Geth condemning them to extinction
That's not Legion's best line. When he sacrifices himself to help save the quarians and the geth, tali says he does have a soul. He just says
"I know"
The only time he referred to himself in the first person. Recognizing his existence as a living entity only in the last moments of his life.
You just answered a question I never even considered asking
1:04 Awwww! Legion tilts his head like a confused puppy! He’s so damn cuuuuute and innocent. 🥰
"Shepard-Commander? Why do they all hate me? :'("
@@anarmedrat8966 😢💔
“I never brought in active Geth in to the fleet” - Tali.
She does now (well Shepard anyway)
Incidentally, I find it to hard to be a complete renegade through in ME2 and 3, as the character ends up too much of an anti-social a##hole for my liking. Which is probably credit to the character and dialogue created.
There's also the little difference between ME2 and ME3 where in ME2 a renegade is an asshole whereas in ME3 a renegade is basically Space Hitler.
Well, in ME2 it is even commented on by Garrus that him [Shep] being killed by the Collector's merely pissed him/her off.
Really helps if you play femshep. The deliver of the renegade lines come off way better with her VA
Yeah. I had a hard time shooting Mordin in the back when i played ME3 as renegade.
I find it hard to play 100% one or another. Full renegade is an asshole and you loose so much content, interactions and wholesomeness. Full paragon is too much of a pussy IMO and I think it's boring. Renegon is the best way.
Paragon Shepard stepping in to be Legion's human shield is heartwarming even in the current situation they find themselves in. He basically said "you want Legion dead? It's a two-for-one deal."
Legion's voice so satisfying :>
Dozens of playthroughs never even though of doing this, props to the developers and props to you for finding it
You never once thought "I wonder what would happen?" I did this my very first playthrough. Honestly thought it would be an instant game over.
God this just makes this game series so much more deeper. Love it
Shepard: "Don't try to intimidate me, Captain"
Quarian Captain: "Or what?"
Shepard: " I have COVID, and im itching to take this mask OFF!"
I am not giving this comment an upvote, but you did make me laugh.
In a realistic context that would mean the complete extinction of the quarians on that ship
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@@a_llama You joking? I know folks who lost loved ones. In that context, simply not voting is *HIGH PRAISE!* Gallows humor is hard to pull off while the event is still going down after all.
@@Starcat5 here's some blinker fluid for that virtue signal of yours.
I swear, I feel so much sympathy for Legion. The way he just turns his head or shifts nervously as soon as the Quarians "call him out" makes me just want to hug him.
Legion is definitely one of the best characters in the game for me, including Thane, Liara and Mordin.
I wish we could've chosen him as a crewmate in ME3...
I recall really enjoying his first mission!
I used to love modding ME2 back in the day. I thought it was amazing how legion had voiced and working dialog *for the entire game* despite normally you can only recruit -him- it near the end.
Playing with -him- it from the beginning was fascinating.
Originally the story was the geth bring shepherd back and legion would take on Mirandas role. At some point this was changed to Cerberus but not before legion was fully voice acted and animated for the entire game even the first mission of me2 has legion dialogue.
@@syveenwolf that’s incredible!
@@syveenwolf thats dope
@@syveenwolf I would actually prefer this to what we actually got even though what we got was already amazing. To work with the geth throughout the game and learn their ways and motivations beyond simply talking to Legion would be a sight to behold.
@@MarceloZ2 unfortunately the geth way would've been very difficult to pull off in a meaningful way. Cerberus are jackasses but nobody was at war with them. Meanwhile the geth we're at war with everyone in the galaxy at one point or another. It would've been difficult to justify working with them
I remember being in tears laughing when I first did this. I thought about this possibility one night years ago and redid an entire playthrough just to see if it was possible.
"Tali you're being accused of bringing active get to the fleet"
"What!? That's insane."
Lmao!
I'd never do anything like that... before today!
I feel like I never get enough dialog with Legion because he’s always the last team member I pick up 😂
Same and that's because of the reaper IFF countdown. If you could choose when to start the install THEN the two mission timer begins it would be so much better
I mean let's be honest, if during your play through you had the opportunity to bring a geth platform onto the migrant fleet and chose not to, did you REALLY play the ME trilogy? 😅
i did it too
@@whocaresguy my man
I did it in my first playtrouth and lost half of the soldier in normady but its a great experience
@@GhostGamer799 if I remember correctly, you can do both Tali's and Legion's loyalty mission and still be able to save the rest of the Normandy crew. I think the only requirement is that those 2 missions are the only missions you play before the last mission
Renegades are out of line 😂
I already knew what happens if you bring Legion to the trial having played ME2 a whole bunch of times, but I'm most impressed that it has an effect on ME3. They took time to write in a line that maybe 1 in 1000 players would hear.
I think there are way more people that tried this than you think.
this is reason why Mass Effect is Legend and Bioware too despite all bad things ...
The fact that it impacts ME3 is the best part imo. That is an extreme level of care with storytelling.
I bring Legion on Tali's loyalty mission all the time. Just to piss off the other Quarians.
"Shepard Commander" i love that with the geth voice.
Really makes me happy that Koris discusses peace with Legion. I wish he tried to make a more serious case for it but still
"Get that damn thing off my ship!"
"When I take Tali aboard council stations, the customs guys sometimes call her 'that thing'."
I played through this scene like 7 different times. I’ve never actually seen what happens if you DON’T bring legion
The intial step onto the ship is far more friendly, with the guard expressing sympathy for Tali's position.
Koris objects to Shepard representing Tali, to which you can point out that he's the one who changed Tali's legal name... And thus the reason you're her lawyer.
Background chatter is instead people questioning whether or not Tali is innocent, and commenting on Shepard's ability to handle the court.
Admiral Xen still obsesses over experimenting on Geth, but just in general. Tali still calls her insane.
This reminds of when I brought Nick Valentine to the Prydwin in Fallout 4.
I hate that getting Legion is tied to how many crew members die in ME2, forces you to get him right at the end if you want the best ending.
Edit: I am referring to your non-combat crewmates like Kelly Chambers and Dr. Chakwas, not the ME2 Squadmates that go with you on missions.
you will have atleast two missions to complete before you have to make the choice to go after your crew once you recruit Legion. That is enough time to finish Tali and Legion loyality mission but yes you have to get Legion last if you want everyone to survive.
orrthehunter and to Romance Tali before mission start
There's a mod called Mass Effect 2 Recalibrated, I just don't know how to install it. It lets you get Legion at any time after you get the Reaper IFF mission by giving you control over when to install said IFF and opens up Illium early so you can get Thane and Samara before Horizon. I'm pretty sure you can recruit Tali early too.
@@AnimeShinigami13 it’s been a while since I’ve played mass effect 2, but I’m fairly certain there’s a mod manager similar to what dragon age origins had. It’s either in the games files already, or you have to install it separately.
It’s either that, or I remember there being some very detailed installation instructions in the files of the mod itself
There was cut content where legion was going to be one of first squadmates you get in fact it was the geth who bring shepard back to life in that cut content.Would have been cool to see that
I remember doing this cause I was like "what would happen". Glad I did and that they took into account
I did this for the fun of it on my first renegade playthrough, and I've done it every time since. Quite possibly the best extra squad mate dialogue in a loyalty mission in the entire franchise. Also always take Tali on Legion's loyalty mission. Best way to do that while still ensuring squad survival in the suicide mission, make sure you only save Tali's loyalty mission for after you get the Reaper IFF, do Tali's loyalty mission next, and then go straight to Legion's loyalty mission. Also make sure to get all of your ship upgrades and other hub planet upgrades before you get the Reaper IFF.
In this alternate dimension, Morrigan, Loghain, and Avernus are quarian admirals leading the remnants of a species trying to survive
Would this be considered the 'canon' version of events for this mission? There's so much unique dialogue, I'm tempted to try it when Legendary Edition comes out.
Unlikely. There's just so much unique dialogue because it wouldn't make any sense for it not to be acknowledged.
I don't think you can even bring Legion to that mission without changing the game code.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake Tali loyality mission can be done with Legion after you recuit Legion. The game gives you two Major Missions timer before the events that lead to the suicide mission happens so you basically recuit legion last and after you just complete both Tali and Legion Loyality mission after then the event where the crew is taken happens.
@@orrthehunter If you don't care about rescuing the crew you could do it so you bring legion on every loyalty mission, It's a wonderfully flexible game
I mean, there's no true, single canon in Mass Effect (at this point anyway, we'll see what ME4 does) but even if there was I don't think bringing Legion here would be canon. It feels _really_ inexplicable that any version of Shepard would choose to take it there since it's so obviously a bad idea. It's like choosing obviously incorrect squadmates for tasks on the suicide mission; sure you _can_ do it but it's inconceivable that Shepard could be that stupid.
This was from the old glory days of bioware, how times have changed...I can't wait for the remaster to come out!
@I.M. Shirley Rongh yeah I have to say, I bought the remaster. It's super awesome and all but the 11th time mass effect isn't going to be wildly different from the 10th time :/ I wanted to do a 100% back to back run, but I'm not even halfway in ME1
Tali'Zorah:I would never bring an active Geth onboard.
Shepard:It's true, she wouldn't..........but I would, for the lols.
This was a "no brainer" on the second playthrough. I had to do it.
Last time I played, I planned it out. I knew after getting Legion, you could only do 2 missions before the Collectors abduct your crew and you had to go to the base immediately to get the best ending. One is Legion's loyalty mission, of course, the other is Tali's, which I saved just so I could bring Legion along :)
Looks like I’m playing this entire series again. My God what an incredible trilogy
Legions little head tilts, like a confused puppy are adorable. Like it genuinely doesn't understand why everyone is freaking out and scared of it
This is a constant for all my play throughs. Since there's an invisible timer of 2 missions from getting to Legion to the trigger of the potential end game event, I always do Legions and Tali's loyalty mission within that time.
Tali: I *never* brought active geth aboard!
Legion: We judge this situation to be "awkward" Creator Zorah.
They many layers they put into this beautiful onion of a masterpiece!
Legion has some of the best lines of the trilogy
At 5:41 Legion nods in agreement with Tali. A nice little detail
old bioware/ EA.....a time when they paid attention to details. We didn't know how good we had it back then :(
This game is an absoulte masterpiece I don't think there is any other game with such passion and attention to details.
Wow. The ME2 affecting that line of dialogue in ME3 was some great detail from the team.
Ha just at the point of recruitring Legion via IFF mission having recruited everyone else and all loyalty missions done except for Tali's and Legions OFC. Wanted to see what the Quarians reactions would be like. Been a tough slog getting to this point for me doing it on insanity mode. Its gonna be fun. will enjoy this (2 hrs ) after this comment was posted 🥇☣🔚.
You thought Tali brought active geth to the fleet, BUT IT WAS ME, SHEPHARD!
BioWare went from "This platform is not available for experimentation" to "Anthem"
Somehow this makes my feelings towards the ending of Mass Effect 3 even stronger.
There should have always been a way to destroy the reapers without killing all sentient AI and allow for Shepard to survive.
The game was always about playing it your way and Shepard was right when he said reaper tech was too dangerous.
This is why I would never use the Destroy option. I'd rather die than genocide the geth. Ever since I heard their story in ME1 I sympathised with them and longed to broker peace between them and the quarians.
The geth are alive in the destroy ending. At least in legendary edition
@@realquestforgreatness which doesn't make much sense "it won't discriminate" "also you have to sac yourself" "Also somehow the Geth are discriminated"
@Goremize maybe their rebuilt. If the mass relays can be restored like the starchild says then why not the geth
Everytime I hear Claudia Black's voice.. OMG!
I strive for enjoying all the small details in the grand scheme of things when it comes to Mass Effect, Especially Mass Effect 3 which I used to feel differently about it's amazing how 10 years since you've played a game can change how you enjoy the game as you change as well.
I realize it's two separate universes / IPs, but can you imagine the banter between Legion and HK47 from Star Wars: KotOR? That'd be the best interaction EVER! 😊
I need to see this now.
she says she would never "send" active geth to the migrant fleet. technically she isn't lying. she didn't send legion there, she brought him. there is a difference no matter how subtle
Aaaand still, best RPG ever made.
If you bring Logion they actually acknowledged him and treat him a lot better in Mass Effect 3.
"I never brought active Geth aboard! I Only sent parts and pieces," she says while standing next to Legion.
This option is great fun, it's worth doing once despite the fact you need to leave Tali's mission until the end of the game.
When Legion said "Shepherd-Commander" on the Derelict Reaper mission, he was meant to be a squad mate.
I like when you take him on Tali's recruitment mission, especially when you meet Kal'Reeger.
Is there a video on that? I wanna see, but I dont want people to die for getting him too early.
11 years and I never thought about doing that
Damn game looks so good I didn’t even realize it was the og version.
That line at 1:20 never fails to crack me up, especially these days. It really sounds like Shepard is in Karen mode.
I like the daily upload can't wait for legendary edition
Your comment on how the interactions make this more immersive is why ME still holds a place in my heart that no other game can fill.
I love Geth, by far my favorite species.
Yeah they're the most alien but also very relatable.
Man your videos made me go back and start a new game of me2
Now this was a fun video... Thanks for sharing this one Dan! Keep it up! 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you. I’ve played mass effect trilogy 6 to 7 time play through seen most of the video you have shown myself by playing it before but for the first time I never seen this or thought to do this as an option. Subscribed!!
6:52 Technically Tali is still correct in saying SHE would never send active Geth to the fleet because Legion being their was Shepard's decision. Tali even protests while walking onto the ship at the beginning of the mission.
I am in awe. Seriously. I was not expecting anyone to dissect these things that much. Thank you.
Tali: *raises hands in defense* I would never bring active Geth to the fleet!
Legion: Creator Tali, look at me.
Legion: *Creator Zorah, we are right here next to you.*
Since I knew Legion would become a companion, I waited for Tali's loyalty mission to be the one after getting Legion.
It was so much fun.
Holy shit man your channel’s growing like a Krogan, keep up the good work
Thanks!
Admirals: Tali we accuse you of sending some possibly active geth parts to the fleet.
Tali: hold my beer
I’m always scared to do the loyalty mission after recruiting legion cos have heard it might cost your crew that gets abducted
I think he made a video about that, you should check it out
@@winternet9478 oh ok. I’ll have to look for it. Just that when I’ve played through it and seen other play throughs they haven’t done that. Barring one when I saw Pete Complete do it and I was like “interesting. Might have to investigate for myself when I get to that point in the game”
Here's a link to my video on how to save everyone th-cam.com/video/EPVP1K8Ti3s/w-d-xo.html
You can complete Legion's loyalty mission and still save the crew so long as you do it before they get kidnapped by Collectors. Once the crew gets nabbed you have to do the final mission straightaway or you'll lose some of them
@@BigDanGaming yeah I got that part but wasn’t sure if you did both tali’s and legion’s loyalty missions after you recruit legion, does that have an affect on crew deaths following abduction? Ie does crew abduction trigger at any point before you do both tali’s and legion’s loyalty after recruiting legion or only afterwards?
@@tombardsley3081 I know this is late but if you have a few missions piled up, you can immediately do Tali's loyalty mission, then unlock Legion's, then do his before the collector attack since you get 2 missions.
Alternatively... You can just do it after the suicide mission.
I love your videos man, I don't think Bioware gets enough credit for planning for all the intricacies that can happen over the three games. Especially for scenarios that most players would never experience without doing it on purpose.
Tali: *Gets accused of sending active geth parts to the flotilla*
Shepard: *brings an active geth to Tali’s trial*
Also Shepard: *Troll face*
So cool thanks for sharing. One of my favorite games I played many times and had entirely no clue. Never even crossed my mind this was possible.
In Tali's defense, she didn't bring Legion.
That was Shepherd's doing
that was great, I never thought about doing this. That is why I like this trilogy a lot. They get you so involved with your crew and others, that when your actions get them killed it's really a blow emotionally. I find that when I make the rounds to check in with everyone, I feel a little pain of regret and loss when I see their empty workstation. That is quality work when they can get you emotionally attached to a NPC you miss them when their gone.
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