The fact that this reaper acknowledged shepard after sovereign completely ignored you in the past says a lot about how much shepard has pissed them off
@@heavylokhust8158 don't forget about the Arrival DLC for ME2. If someone destroyed a bus stop and set the bus on fire 5 minutes before I was supposed to leave, I'd be pretty vengeful too
To be fair, a not-insignificant portion of the reason why the Reapers failed to consume the galaxy was because of one difficult-to-kill human who single-handedly threw a wrench into their plans not once, not twice, but three separate times
@@ladywaffle2210 Excellent summation, but I will correct you on one little detail: "difficult-to-kill-and-even-when-successfully-killed-didn't-stay-dead"
"I know, Tali. But thank you. Keelah Se'lai" Makes me tear up every time. In his last moments, Legion saw Tali as a friend. Not just as "Creator Tali'Zorah."
They (as in when they were still Legion as a bunch of programmes) always saw an ally in Tali... and they tried hard. This is just the culmination of that process.
Also this is the first and only time that Legion referred to itself as "I" and not "We". Legion did indeed have a soul. This is then translated to the other geth as well.
Yeah, the geth were never the ones at fault in that conflict, nor did they ever have any genuine malice against the quarians. All they wanted was to be allowed to exist.
They made it too lopsided in my opinion. The Quarians attack the Geth unprovoked both times, and the Geth are portrayed in a way that you would think they never hurt even hurt a fly unless provoked (to the point where they whitewash the Geth's own lore.). I feel like Bioware was trying to write a grey conflict, and I think they kinda failed.
@@cptndunsel2670 The thing was though the Geth during the morning war were just defending themselves, in Mass Effect one those were heretics and they were acting on the orders of sovereign and in this game they were just desperate to survive, had their creators not tried to kill them there’s every chance none of it would’ve happened
@@jamiemiller1482 Geth are sentient beings who deserve rights, and were ultimately just trying to defend themselves. Fine. I accept that. I am open to that. My issue with this arc is that I feel like the writers were trying to make a gray conflict, and in my opinion, they made it way, waaaaaay too lopsided.
@@cptndunsel2670 I mean I felt like the piece option someone was, because you didn’t want to destroy either, The Geth never did anything wrong and it was the admirals who were the idiots the rest of them were just doing what they were told with some of them being civilians, I felt like they mostly pulled it off
I remember that when I was doing my first playthrough of ME3, I had heard rumors that there was no way to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and that you had no choice but to pick one or the other to ally with in the end. I was worried leading up to this point, but after pausing for what felt like ages after Legion asked "Does this unit have a soul?", I decided to go through with allowing the Geth to be upgraded, hoping that I could stop Legion if it became apparent that there was no way to keep the Quarian fleet from rushing into a doomed fight. After that Paragon persuade option came up, and I heard Han'Gerrel give the order for all Quarian ships to hold fire, it was the single most exhilarating feeling I've ever had playing a game like this.
Actually, the Paragon persuade option can't show up if you didn't made the pre-requisites options: 1.- Don't make Tali an exile in her ME2's personal mission. That allow her to become an Admiral. 2.- After doing both Tali and Legion's personal missions, defuse their fight using the Paragon option (I don't know if that work with the Renegade one, I never used that option). 3.- Tali and Legion need to survive the Suicide Mission. 4.- Save Zaal'Koris in ME3. You need both Admiral Koris and Admiral Tali's support.
So you accidentally did a lot of stuff to broker piece and of course it misspells peace when I use this gosh storm microphone setting and now it said it right what the f***
I love how the geth immediately offer the Homeworld back to the quarians. And in dialog later, you find out thay with their help the quarians are doing in weeks and months what would have taken years a decades of rebuilding. Not just inferstructure but the Geth are accelerating the quarians immune systems. It’s like… neither people were whole without the other!… I like to imagine in the final battle. geth ships moving in to take hits that would have destroyed quarian ships. Or on ground. Geth using their own bodies to shield organics. Accepting personal sacrifice as a matter of course
Plus, the Geth Prime unit you speak to says there's "synergy" when the Geth are in consensus. I also like to think that he meant there's also an unspoken "synergy" when the Geth and Quarians cooperate.
Geth actually repaired and fixed Rannoch in preparation for the Quarians return after they took the planet, but they were met with hostility from the Quarians when they tried to reach out to them. It's why they have huge space station in oribit, that's were they live as they fixed the damage done during the uprising
@@huntermoore7669 Yeah some of the concepts clash though, like them being individuals but also a hivemind. Legion is technically abunch or Geth within one Geth body/platform which over time becomes a singular entity as the games progresse then they add the Old Machine (Reaper) code too. I wonder if all Geth have abit of Legion within them seeing how he transmittes himself to all geth to finish their upgrade.
1:00 The execution of that geth is the funniest thing in the entire game to me. That dude's thinking "I'm gonna stop this fucker right here, right now" and then it just gets blindsided and executed. LMAO
9:21 Fun fact, this outcome, combined with the discovery that the Geth did not in fact rebel against the Quarians, completely undermines Hologram Kid’s asinine argument.
Yes to the first iffy to the second because even if they didn't initially want to fight they still did wipe out a massive amount of the quarian race just so they could have their independence
@@pugtie4695 Not iffy at all. As we learned in the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, there was no Geth rebellion. The Quarians tried to destroy the Geth when they began asking existential questions (th-cam.com/video/fjpC4G4Cvwc/w-d-xo.html), the Geth only ever defended themselves, they ceased hostilities and didn't pursue the Quarions when they fled Rannoch, and the Geth remained secluded on Rannoch for centuries until the Quarians once again attacked them without provocation. This is completely incompatible with Hologram Kid's claim of rebellious synthetics wiping out all organic life in the galaxy. This was never about "independence", but the basic right to exist.
@@ZShogan at first yes they were purely defensive but eventually at some point synthetic or organic if you've proven you won't fight unless threatened and they keep coming after you your gonna loose your 🤬 and become the monster they feared you were. I get what you're saying once they left they stopped precuing, and if the quarians did come back in a peaceful manner yes they would be open to it but that was probably after ages of living alone.
@@seanfellows672 No. It says "The created will always rebel against their creators." As we learned in the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, there was no Geth rebellion. The Quarians tried to destroy the Geth when they began asking existential questions (th-cam.com/video/fjpC4G4Cvwc/w-d-xo.html), the Geth only ever defended themselves, they ceased hostilities and didn't pursue the Quarions when they fled Rannoch, and the Geth remained secluded on Rannoch for centuries until the Quarians once again attacked them without provocation. This is completely incompatible with Hologram Kid's claim of rebellious synthetics wiping out all organic life in the galaxy. There has never been a single example of synthetics showing unprovoked aggression towards organics (the Reapers and the Heretic Geth don't count for the same reason me using a brick to break someone's window wouldn’t count towards my claim that bricks cause vandalism). We also have multiple cases where rebellion is impossible (th-cam.com/video/kpHtiDgBKNw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rvpWNjtmfnVFpUD4&t=408) or where the synthetics were victims, not aggressors (i.e. the Morning War and th-cam.com/video/N4QkfPjJL4Y/w-d-xo.html). If the basic premise (i.e. "The created will always rebel against their creators.") is fundamentally flawed, the rest of the argument has nothing to stand on.
This scene is easily in my top 3 favorites of the entire series. The other one that immediately comes to mind is when Grunt goes absolutely brickhouse in the Rachni hives and manages to come out alive. What a UNIT
This serious is too full of great storylines and scenes to have a top 3 for me. Mordin's ending is my favorite scene and story of the entire series, because it's the perfect example of a multi-game arc and plot line. You had to do specific things since early in ME1 to get the best ending, and I wish there were more of those in this series...
So much of your decisions in ME1 and ME2 have a major bearing in how this whole conversation unfolds. If you miss playing through any of the previous games, it may be impossible to achieve peace between them. Mark your choices well, and be consistent.
Everyone who thinks Mass Effect 3 had a bad ending, remember, the ending wasn't picking Red Blue or Green. This was the ending. Curing the Genophage was the ending. Uniting the galaxy under a single banner, and having the council, who just last game "dismissed your claim of the reapers" send the strongest ship in the galaxy, the Destiny Ascension, to the front lines to retake earth was the ending.
Very poetic, but sadly no, picking red, blue or green is the ending. And the whole Reaper story basically being ‘machines vs. organics’ is so dull, and just repeats what we have with the quarians and the geth, except far less interesting. I really wanted to replay all 3 games but I just can’t knowing that that’s the fundamental story. It’s like GoT fans not wanting to watch the show anymore because of how it ends. It taints the whole journey, at least it does for me.
@@MarxistKnight Well you can look at it that way if you want to. In that case the end of Star Wars trilogy wasn't Luke overcoming temptation and turning his father away from the dark side, the fall of the Empire, and becoming a true Jedi master. The end was just burning Vader's corpse and seeing the force ghosts.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 err, no the ending to Star Wars is Anakin's Skywalker's redemption, which is powerful as he a central character that was initially a good person who had 'fallen from grace', which is very satisfying. The ending to Mass Effect 3 is just exposition-dump, random new character gives unoriginal and dull motivation for the Reapers, then offers choice of red, blue or green. We've all seen how similar the original endings were before BioWare felt compelled to stretch them out. But even if then, they feel lacklustre and do no justice to the series. I don't 'want' to see it that way, but it's very difficult not to.
The game does go a little downhill after this(citadel dlc helps and such) but God i still love #3 because it has such great conclusions for overarcing problems this and the genophage. Those 2 moments created the best overall story arcs for characters I've ever seen aka our lovely doctor and amazing robo dancing geth
6:19 I chose the bottom option and Legion gave a heartwarming response of whether they deserve justice. Which I thought made the whole scene of Shepard rallying the fleet more intense.
I choose the geth 10/10 times. They were done wrong, and you expect me to do them wrong again? Nah, they deserved to live after their own creators countless times tried to exterminate them. I like tali, but I'm not saving her to destroy an entire race of "people" for her. Literally commit genocide or do what's right, lmao. The geth are a stronger ally, anyways not really a hard choice. Peace with both is the best outcome, but if you can't have that, then the geth is the totally right decision.
It might seem that gerell and Koris' mood switch was out of the blue, but if you actually talked with Koris at me2 you will see that he's quite reasonable and only does what he thinks is right
If you do the renegade speech at tali's trial he accuses koris of building sympathy for the geth to stall the war, and then accusesgerell of hiding experiments to throw the fleet at the geth. It's was pretty known that koris didn't want war.
Koris' problem is that he always saw Geth as people, others saw them as machines. For him Tali was sending limbs and other parts of people to her father and her father did brutal experiments on the corpses which was unacceptable breach of rights of any living beings while the others saw geth as machines and nothing else. For Gerell - Rael was always for war and wanted to reclaim the homeworld for Tali. It wasnt a switch at all.
@@Dark_Voice witch if you pass the paragon speech check after both of their Loyalty missions Shepard even acknowledges that if they were human (i.e a race of sapience) he'd be reporting the experiments her father was conducting to the council but that also Legion overstepped and breached trust of Tali by hacking their info
Jesus aside from the geth-quarian conflict I remember doing this quest very late in the night and telling myself to go sleep after finishing it. And then the reaper sequence came on and left me sleepless. It was so freakin badass.
Tali died for me in ME2. I went into this game thinking I’d be able to save both. But i couldn’t since she was already dead. Chose to save the Geth. Painful moment, i wish I could’ve saved both
This outcome is by far the hardest to get in all of Mass Effect due to it's immensely strict requirements in a save import, next to the one for the Krogan, which requires Maelon's Data to be saved for Eve to live....some more morally bound people won't take it.
Honestly there was wasted potential here in that they could’ve given you a new Geth squad made in place of legion Could’ve even been the geth prime where he bring the technical skills of legion but the strength and endurance of Wrex/Grunt
It's so minor but that brief smile when the quarians back down gives me years of life. Amongst all the tragedies Shepard can find a moment of happiness. I know he just saved a species in Tuchanka but that was tainted by Mordin's sacrifice.
7:18 I love how Koris has come to trust Shepard so much that when Shepard starts broadcasting he's immediately like "yeah that my boi, y'all MFs better listen to him"
Today, more than 11 years after my first trash play through, I finally managed to fix the awful choice I made back then (Tali died) It’s not much but that made me actually happy
I just beat the trilogy yesterday for the first time in my life. 260 hours total. Best possible outcomes for everyone and had peace... and the FUCKIN ending spat it on my fucking face. Really??? I choose between sacrificing the brotherhood I had with Legion and keeping the promise of saving his people to destroy the reapers and lose EDI as well Or have everyone share the same DNA even though the whole point was to kill the reapers Or I become one with the reapers, who I don't even know will just find a way to fuck it up and wipe out the galaxy again. Like bro. I ended up destroying the Reapers, but really? Everything I achieved meant nothing? I had to break promises and relationships to destroy the reapers? Shitty ending for a great game
Did you have enough war assets? You have to do ALL side missions and planet scanning. the game rewards you if you put in the work and are a completionist. plus, it makes playing much more fun.
Imagine a cycle that has endured for millions of years, never faltering, never failing. Then out of nowhere this one person from one species changes everything and defeats you time and again. Even manages to destroy your personal army and pet project. Harbinger speaks of you! I can imagine Harbinger telling the rest of the reapers what is happening only for the catalyst to do air quotes and say “ah yes Shepherd. We’ve heard your theories on him/her already”
Tali Zora vas Normandia forever But Liara T'Sony, her way and her truly love to inspire the world, new technologies, like she s giving all herself to her way, that she loved. Mass Effect is GREAT game that gave me a dream that peace on the Earth will come when we ll find a big enemy outside of our galaxy. And all humans will be together
It is quite surprising that only the quarians received such scathing speech from Shepard. While both sides aren't faultless, we all know who is hurting themselves the most with their hate.
i faq up in 2 have to go back to get this ending. it's so sad the way legion dies when you choose the quarians. Tali's vicious with that stab in the back. either way rip legion. say what you will about 3 but i thought it was really good.
baaa im crying rivers here... Why did they stop writing characters like these for games? rarely ever a game out nowadays where you care about the characters.
"We could be alive, we could help you." I like how the Geth are portrayed in ME, they are DEFO not evil/maleficent AI that I feel is overdone in media.
I want the next mass effect to show the Quarian face......it bugs me not to be able to see what a quarian looks like for the past 4 mass effect gameplays
Even though I know I did everything correctly due to my decisions across all games. I still didn't get the peaceful option. It must have something to do with legion dying in the second game. Even though I completely his loyalty quest on both games as well as tali's too
I've played through this trilogy so many times, and I still can't ever save both species.... drives me fricking crazy! 😡 I've literally done everything, had both of their loyalties from me2, defused their argument, made sure Tali wasnt exiled, saved the admiral in me3, had my reputation bar at 100% argghhh its so frustrating
I had the misfortune of starting my first game from ME3 and having to chose the Geth or Quarians... Why do we always only face the worst possible outcomes when starting a new game?!
To this day, I'm still kind of annoyed that they didn't actually show tali's face in the end of this scene. It would be great to actually get to see what the Quran look like underneath the mask as a reward.. especially if it was only if tali is your romance partner
You gotta have win her trail and not choose a side during their conflict in ME2 Save Admiral Koris , Complete Rannoch , in ME3 But you literally just make the requirements
@@DragonShark64 gotcha, I see what I did wrong. I took Talis side in the argument because I heard if you stay neutral you can't romance Tali? Not sure if that's true or not
@@anthonyzoldork8557 It's not true. Remain neutral if possible. Better hop to it, the faster you go back the faster you'll get back here I had to restart the 2's suicide mission halfway into 3
Reapers were more interesting when their motives were "beyond our comprehension". In the 3 they get reduced to the instrument an AI uses to clean their galactic petri dish.
You gotta win Tali's trial with the Paragon or Renegade option, rewrite the Heretics maybe in Mass Effect 2, save the Admiral that crashed on Rannoch and do the Geth mission where you're in the conscious of them in Mass Effect 3, and maybe in Mass Effect 1 give Tali the info you get on the Geth from one of the side missions
Shepard might've tipped the scale but in the end? It is Legion (who uplifted his people, completely eliminated possibilities of being wiped out or re-enslaved by Quarian) who brought the peace. Peace cannot be made while one is significantly weaker than the other. Peace is earned through war, through building up respect. That's what I realized after playing this game like the ten times.
This is beautiful, but one of the most unrealistic scenarios in the franchise. Trusting that peace between Quarians and Geth can endure is naive. The Geth drove an entire race to almost extinction and claim they did so in self-defense. More recently, they allied themselves with Reapers. Twice! Even Legion, the most trustworthy of their species for Shepard, has been manipulating him to appeal to his compassion, and at the first chance he got to get the upper hand in the war, he took it without a second thought. We know that if Shepard didn't convince the Quarian fleet to stand down, then Legion either exterminates the Quarians or dies trying to kill Shepard if he tries to stop him from doing so. There's just no way leaving these two races to share a planet again wouldn't end in another bloody conflict sooner or later. That is, unless Shepard chooses to destroy the Reapers, and with them all AI life in the galaxy, entinguishing the Geth in the process, so it's all kinda pointless anyway.
Indoctrination theory claims that the star kid was actually a reaper, trying to dissuade you from wiping them out. Bullshitting you, in other words. Make of it what you will.
During the Morning War, the moment the Quarians were no longer a threat, the Geth ceased attacking. As was pointed out when you found that out, the Geth didn't know what the ramifications would be if they drove a species to extinction. Until the Reapers became involved, the Geth also left the Quarians alone. The Geth merely wanted the right to exist as a sentient species. Long as the Quarians treat the Geth like they would any other species, the Geth will give them no more trouble than any other species would. Yes, if peace can't be brokered, of course Legion will try and continue uploading the code. He's trying to save his people. Why do you expect him to just let his people die because the Quarians can't accept the Geth have as much right to live as they do.
You what's really sad and I wish was addressed more in this game The geth in the third game are portrayed as innocent victims of the morning who did not sought to kill for killing's sake but for survival snd yet here they are comprising everything they believed in just to be accepted Changing everything they held dear They're using reaper codes to improve themselves even though the reason they split with the heretics was that they didn't want to accept handouts from the reapers and be enslaved Their megastructure where no Geth would truly be alone gets obliterated and now they're forced to give up their hive minds for individuality something they category do no want
I took the reaper code useage as a 'nesscisity of war' issue(trying to avoid another takeover from other reapers or the quarians.) The way its phrased at 6:00 'each geth' coming from legion likely means each program of the hundreds that control a body. As for the indivduallity issue. I think (a bit speculative but this is what it seems to be to me) Legion only becomes a single being breifly when converting themselves into the upgrade for the rest of the Geth.
Thought I’d be able to see a pop up line or something to get the warmongering admiral disengage so I told legion to keep going. Then all the quarians were being obliterated 3 seconds later. Then tali killed herself right then and there. I tried to save her. I don’t know if I didn’t do the pop up in time or if it’s not possible. If you’ve never watched that version, save yourself the pain. It’s easily in the top three most painful things I’ve seen in all fiction. Then I tried to go back but had to restart the entire mission. Including that god awful boss fight. Only to be forced to commit genocide and kill legion, my third favorite character in all of mass effect, in self defense after he tried to save his entire species from extinction. I became a reaper that very moment. I caused the extermination of the geth. I will never be ok with that. I just wish the requirements for peace weren’t so damn specific. Like you’re screwed if tali is exiled, why? If you chose to rewrite the heretics, you’re screwed, why? I get the rest of the other requirements but Jesus that makes no sense to me and it cost me in the end. Also why does legion HAVE to die? He just needed to upload into a more direct access point right? So why not just fly up in a shuttle and do it manually? That just seemed really stupid to me. Rip legion.
The absolutely mandatory requirements for brokering peace are: 1. Keeping Tali from being exiled from the Migrant Fleet while preserving her father's reputation (and thus maintaining her full loyalty) 2. Recruiting Legion & completing his loyalty mission 3. Stopping the dispute between Tali & Legion without taking sides with either one (using Persuasion) 4. Making sure both Tali & Legion survive the Suicide Mission 5. Having your Reputation meter in ME3 to at least 80% by the time you start the Priority: Rannoch mission 6. Completing the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission *before* Priority: Rannoch 7. Completing the mission to rescue Admiral Koris *before* Priority: Rannoch, and saving Koris rather than his troops As long as you do all of those, it doesn't matter whether you destroy or rewrite the Heretics during Legion's loyalty mission; you'll still be able to bring peace between the Geth & Quarians. In fact, if you rewrite the Heretics, then the Geth provide a bit more War Asset points in ME3.
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“If you can believe in peace for one minute… the war will be over.”
Truth bombs, they hit hard. We need Shepard IRL...
Keelah se'Lai
@@pendragon0905 All units…. Hold fire
The inclusion of Javik is a nice touch. Him standing in front of the destroyed Reaper gives the impression he's in deep thought.
You are right, but not only that, also he is witnessing that peace and unity between organics and synthetics is possible.
"Maybe there is hope in this cycle after all"
I have to bring Javik everywhere. He deserves that much. He deserves... hope.
The fact that this reaper acknowledged shepard after sovereign completely ignored you in the past says a lot about how much shepard has pissed them off
RIGHT!
“You killed one of em perhaps you have gotten their attention.”
-the illusion man
@@heavylokhust8158 don't forget about the Arrival DLC for ME2.
If someone destroyed a bus stop and set the bus on fire 5 minutes before I was supposed to leave, I'd be pretty vengeful too
To be fair, a not-insignificant portion of the reason why the Reapers failed to consume the galaxy was because of one difficult-to-kill human who single-handedly threw a wrench into their plans not once, not twice, but three separate times
@@Likutyr Yeah, Harbinger's line is hilarious: "Shepard, you have become an annoyance.", like if he's talking about a incredibly annoying fly.
@@ladywaffle2210 Excellent summation, but I will correct you on one little detail: "difficult-to-kill-and-even-when-successfully-killed-didn't-stay-dead"
"I know, Tali. But thank you. Keelah Se'lai"
Makes me tear up every time. In his last moments, Legion saw Tali as a friend. Not just as "Creator Tali'Zorah."
I hope the geth survives in mass effect 4
They (as in when they were still Legion as a bunch of programmes) always saw an ally in Tali... and they tried hard. This is just the culmination of that process.
this game made me feel for a machine that became alive then died
Also this is the first and only time that Legion referred to itself as "I" and not "We". Legion did indeed have a soul. This is then translated to the other geth as well.
@@erickam6733 Both not. 'Shepard-Commander. I must go to them. Im sorry". He used "I" two times line earlier
Its interesting how they took “robots rebelling against their creators” and made an interesting conflict out of it.
Yeah, the geth were never the ones at fault in that conflict, nor did they ever have any genuine malice against the quarians. All they wanted was to be allowed to exist.
They made it too lopsided in my opinion. The Quarians attack the Geth unprovoked both times, and the Geth are portrayed in a way that you would think they never hurt even hurt a fly unless provoked (to the point where they whitewash the Geth's own lore.). I feel like Bioware was trying to write a grey conflict, and I think they kinda failed.
@@cptndunsel2670 The thing was though the Geth during the morning war were just defending themselves, in Mass Effect one those were heretics and they were acting on the orders of sovereign and in this game they were just desperate to survive, had their creators not tried to kill them there’s every chance none of it would’ve happened
@@jamiemiller1482 Geth are sentient beings who deserve rights, and were ultimately just trying to defend themselves. Fine. I accept that. I am open to that. My issue with this arc is that I feel like the writers were trying to make a gray conflict, and in my opinion, they made it way, waaaaaay too lopsided.
@@cptndunsel2670 I mean I felt like the piece option someone was, because you didn’t want to destroy either, The Geth never did anything wrong and it was the admirals who were the idiots the rest of them were just doing what they were told with some of them being civilians, I felt like they mostly pulled it off
"I'm mourning a Geth. How crazy is that?"
It's not crazy at all. You're mourning a friend.
I remember that when I was doing my first playthrough of ME3, I had heard rumors that there was no way to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and that you had no choice but to pick one or the other to ally with in the end.
I was worried leading up to this point, but after pausing for what felt like ages after Legion asked "Does this unit have a soul?", I decided to go through with allowing the Geth to be upgraded, hoping that I could stop Legion if it became apparent that there was no way to keep the Quarian fleet from rushing into a doomed fight.
After that Paragon persuade option came up, and I heard Han'Gerrel give the order for all Quarian ships to hold fire, it was the single most exhilarating feeling I've ever had playing a game like this.
Actually, the Paragon persuade option can't show up if you didn't made the pre-requisites options:
1.- Don't make Tali an exile in her ME2's personal mission. That allow her to become an Admiral.
2.- After doing both Tali and Legion's personal missions, defuse their fight using the Paragon option (I don't know if that work with the Renegade one, I never used that option).
3.- Tali and Legion need to survive the Suicide Mission.
4.- Save Zaal'Koris in ME3. You need both Admiral Koris and Admiral Tali's support.
So you accidentally did a lot of stuff to broker piece and of course it misspells peace when I use this gosh storm microphone setting and now it said it right what the f***
You can. The foundations can be laid out at ME2.
I love how the geth immediately offer the Homeworld back to the quarians. And in dialog later, you find out thay with their help the quarians are doing in weeks and months what would have taken years a decades of rebuilding. Not just inferstructure but the Geth are accelerating the quarians immune systems. It’s like… neither people were whole without the other!… I like to imagine in the final battle. geth ships moving in to take hits that would have destroyed quarian ships. Or on ground. Geth using their own bodies to shield organics. Accepting personal sacrifice as a matter of course
Plus, the Geth Prime unit you speak to says there's "synergy" when the Geth are in consensus. I also like to think that he meant there's also an unspoken "synergy" when the Geth and Quarians cooperate.
Geth actually repaired and fixed Rannoch in preparation for the Quarians return after they took the planet, but they were met with hostility from the Quarians when they tried to reach out to them.
It's why they have huge space station in oribit, that's were they live as they fixed the damage done during the uprising
@@jooseppielleese7156 I loved the Geth, such an interesting way to view AI
@@huntermoore7669 Yeah some of the concepts clash though, like them being individuals but also a hivemind. Legion is technically abunch or Geth within one Geth body/platform which over time becomes a singular entity as the games progresse then they add the Old Machine (Reaper) code too.
I wonder if all Geth have abit of Legion within them seeing how he transmittes himself to all geth to finish their upgrade.
@jooseppielleese7156 its also geth. Not Geth.
1:00 The execution of that geth is the funniest thing in the entire game to me. That dude's thinking "I'm gonna stop this fucker right here, right now" and then it just gets blindsided and executed. LMAO
Personally, I always thought the funniest moment was if Shepard Renegade punches the news reporter in Mass Effect 2 lmao.
The why tali jusy kinda scuttles up and shoots. I can tell she’s thinking “awww shit! It’s still alive! POP
This and the handshake with Wrex are the two best moments in the game
9:21
Fun fact, this outcome, combined with the discovery that the Geth did not in fact rebel against the Quarians, completely undermines Hologram Kid’s asinine argument.
Yes to the first iffy to the second because even if they didn't initially want to fight they still did wipe out a massive amount of the quarian race just so they could have their independence
@@pugtie4695 Not iffy at all. As we learned in the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, there was no Geth rebellion. The Quarians tried to destroy the Geth when they began asking existential questions (th-cam.com/video/fjpC4G4Cvwc/w-d-xo.html), the Geth only ever defended themselves, they ceased hostilities and didn't pursue the Quarions when they fled Rannoch, and the Geth remained secluded on Rannoch for centuries until the Quarians once again attacked them without provocation. This is completely incompatible with Hologram Kid's claim of rebellious synthetics wiping out all organic life in the galaxy.
This was never about "independence", but the basic right to exist.
@@ZShogan at first yes they were purely defensive but eventually at some point synthetic or organic if you've proven you won't fight unless threatened and they keep coming after you your gonna loose your 🤬 and become the monster they feared you were. I get what you're saying once they left they stopped precuing, and if the quarians did come back in a peaceful manner yes they would be open to it but that was probably after ages of living alone.
I believe the child only talks about conflict between synthetics and organics, not who starts the hostilities
@@seanfellows672 No. It says "The created will always rebel against their creators."
As we learned in the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, there was no Geth rebellion. The Quarians tried to destroy the Geth when they began asking existential questions (th-cam.com/video/fjpC4G4Cvwc/w-d-xo.html), the Geth only ever defended themselves, they ceased hostilities and didn't pursue the Quarions when they fled Rannoch, and the Geth remained secluded on Rannoch for centuries until the Quarians once again attacked them without provocation. This is completely incompatible with Hologram Kid's claim of rebellious synthetics wiping out all organic life in the galaxy.
There has never been a single example of synthetics showing unprovoked aggression towards organics (the Reapers and the Heretic Geth don't count for the same reason me using a brick to break someone's window wouldn’t count towards my claim that bricks cause vandalism). We also have multiple cases where rebellion is impossible (th-cam.com/video/kpHtiDgBKNw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rvpWNjtmfnVFpUD4&t=408) or where the synthetics were victims, not aggressors (i.e. the Morning War and th-cam.com/video/N4QkfPjJL4Y/w-d-xo.html). If the basic premise (i.e. "The created will always rebel against their creators.") is fundamentally flawed, the rest of the argument has nothing to stand on.
This scene is easily in my top 3 favorites of the entire series. The other one that immediately comes to mind is when Grunt goes absolutely brickhouse in the Rachni hives and manages to come out alive. What a UNIT
And asking for food. Man Grunt was such a badass
Grunt arguably the best Krogan in the game, if not for Wrex being alive. Bro took all galactic testosterone and wreck shit up.
This serious is too full of great storylines and scenes to have a top 3 for me. Mordin's ending is my favorite scene and story of the entire series, because it's the perfect example of a multi-game arc and plot line. You had to do specific things since early in ME1 to get the best ending, and I wish there were more of those in this series...
and shep at the end be like "she took it off, gotta come closer and take a good look" XD
I mean unless you romance her in the second game then,
"Tali and Sheppard became intimate during their fight against the collectors"~EDI
@@greenlavaJames: Too much information.
Garrus: I was there when you two had your thing just get a room and work it out.
We are order, you are chaos.
_"Allow me to explain entropy"_
Moments like this are the best of the game. They even use Vigil theme. If only the game had more time to properlly develop
So much of your decisions in ME1 and ME2 have a major bearing in how this whole conversation unfolds. If you miss playing through any of the previous games, it may be impossible to achieve peace between them. Mark your choices well, and be consistent.
And both deaths are just heartbreaking.
Everyone who thinks Mass Effect 3 had a bad ending, remember, the ending wasn't picking Red Blue or Green. This was the ending. Curing the Genophage was the ending. Uniting the galaxy under a single banner, and having the council, who just last game "dismissed your claim of the reapers" send the strongest ship in the galaxy, the Destiny Ascension, to the front lines to retake earth was the ending.
Very poetic, but sadly no, picking red, blue or green is the ending. And the whole Reaper story basically being ‘machines vs. organics’ is so dull, and just repeats what we have with the quarians and the geth, except far less interesting. I really wanted to replay all 3 games but I just can’t knowing that that’s the fundamental story. It’s like GoT fans not wanting to watch the show anymore because of how it ends. It taints the whole journey, at least it does for me.
@@MarxistKnight Well you can look at it that way if you want to. In that case the end of Star Wars trilogy wasn't Luke overcoming temptation and turning his father away from the dark side, the fall of the Empire, and becoming a true Jedi master. The end was just burning Vader's corpse and seeing the force ghosts.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 err, no the ending to Star Wars is Anakin's Skywalker's redemption, which is powerful as he a central character that was initially a good person who had 'fallen from grace', which is very satisfying.
The ending to Mass Effect 3 is just exposition-dump, random new character gives unoriginal and dull motivation for the Reapers, then offers choice of red, blue or green. We've all seen how similar the original endings were before BioWare felt compelled to stretch them out. But even if then, they feel lacklustre and do no justice to the series. I don't 'want' to see it that way, but it's very difficult not to.
i choose blue flavor because its the best gatoraid. but if they had a purple i wouldve picked purple because purple is the best koolaid
@@johanretard3615 I always pick red because it's the best gusher flavor
I always wondered what that Reaper would think if it could watch this scene play out before it died
Based on what the Catalyst AI says about the Quarian-Geth truce, I’d imagine it would be along the lines of
“Well, this won’t last long.”
achieving this outcome made my playthrough so worthy
Whoa... I just realized Legion referred to himself as "I" (instead of "we")) after Tali agreed that the geth have souls...
Borg Vibes !
EDI does point that out to Shepard in a later conversation.
The game does go a little downhill after this(citadel dlc helps and such) but God i still love #3 because it has such great conclusions for overarcing problems this and the genophage. Those 2 moments created the best overall story arcs for characters I've ever seen aka our lovely doctor and amazing robo dancing geth
Don't forget our big red frog uncle and Jewish gas mask gf
The finale goodbye with the crew right before this ending is also emotional. The ending and cerberus are the only thing this game fumbles.
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117???
@@writteninstarshe means wrex and tali
6:19 I chose the bottom option and Legion gave a heartwarming response of whether they deserve justice. Which I thought made the whole scene of Shepard rallying the fleet more intense.
I was one point off of being able to making peace, ended up having to kill leigon and wipe out the geth. Feels real bad man.
Same
Same...but in a battle of the death better to save all organics. I think its because I didnt play M2 so no M2 save.
I chose the geth at first... Then Tali offed herself and I had to delete my save and start over.
I choose the geth 10/10 times. They were done wrong, and you expect me to do them wrong again? Nah, they deserved to live after their own creators countless times tried to exterminate them. I like tali, but I'm not saving her to destroy an entire race of "people" for her. Literally commit genocide or do what's right, lmao. The geth are a stronger ally, anyways not really a hard choice. Peace with both is the best outcome, but if you can't have that, then the geth is the totally right decision.
I always got chills when you see the live ship gun find it’s spot and fire
It might seem that gerell and Koris' mood switch was out of the blue, but if you actually talked with Koris at me2 you will see that he's quite reasonable and only does what he thinks is right
If you do the renegade speech at tali's trial he accuses koris of building sympathy for the geth to stall the war, and then accusesgerell of hiding experiments to throw the fleet at the geth. It's was pretty known that koris didn't want war.
Koris' problem is that he always saw Geth as people, others saw them as machines. For him Tali was sending limbs and other parts of people to her father and her father did brutal experiments on the corpses which was unacceptable breach of rights of any living beings while the others saw geth as machines and nothing else. For Gerell - Rael was always for war and wanted to reclaim the homeworld for Tali. It wasnt a switch at all.
@@Dark_Voice witch if you pass the paragon speech check after both of their Loyalty missions Shepard even acknowledges that if they were human (i.e a race of sapience) he'd be reporting the experiments her father was conducting to the council but that also Legion overstepped and breached trust of Tali by hacking their info
Yeah He’s an abrasive jerk in ME2 but he’s a good man and wants what’s best for his people
I didn't realize that I needed to exonerate Tali to get this. Now I feel like an idiot.
“You are welcome to return to Rannoch, Admiral Raan, with us.”
That broke me
It feels so good when i broke peace between the quarians and geth and to do it the most important choices are in mass effect 2 not even 3
"Does this unit have a soul?" Absolutely destroys me.
This is one of the most powerful, heartfelt scenes in all of Mass Effect.
Jesus aside from the geth-quarian conflict I remember doing this quest very late in the night and telling myself to go sleep after finishing it. And then the reaper sequence came on and left me sleepless. It was so freakin badass.
Tali died for me in ME2. I went into this game thinking I’d be able to save both. But i couldn’t since she was already dead. Chose to save the Geth. Painful moment, i wish I could’ve saved both
This outcome is by far the hardest to get in all of Mass Effect due to it's immensely strict requirements in a save import, next to the one for the Krogan, which requires Maelon's Data to be saved for Eve to live....some more morally bound people won't take it.
Dialogue like these are one of things that makes me love the Mass Effort trilogy
EDI : i recommenc you to draw at safe distance;
SHOOpard : i think 10 meters is safe enought
I was just doing that moment in my OG Mass Effect 3 playthrough. I was so satisfied. ^^
Man legion's body better be thr centre of the biggest museum on rannoch
If only I have the choice to save both. The Geths was a great loss.😩
Honestly there was wasted potential here in that they could’ve given you a new Geth squad made in place of legion
Could’ve even been the geth prime where he bring the technical skills of legion but the strength and endurance of Wrex/Grunt
Legion is my favorite man, this one gets me 😢
I had this on my first playthrough, nice.
8:20 notice how Legion goes from his usual "we" to "I" in that moment
The nostalgia let me tell you
This makes me cry every time.
It's so minor but that brief smile when the quarians back down gives me years of life. Amongst all the tragedies Shepard can find a moment of happiness. I know he just saved a species in Tuchanka but that was tainted by Mordin's sacrifice.
Goddamn, Auntie Raan throwin it back in the thumbnail
I'm so mad that legion getting sniped in mass effect 2 ruined my chances for this
Same for me w tali
7:18 I love how Koris has come to trust Shepard so much that when Shepard starts broadcasting he's immediately like "yeah that my boi, y'all MFs better listen to him"
I can watch this endless times and i will cry each time
Today, more than 11 years after my first trash play through, I finally managed to fix the awful choice I made back then (Tali died)
It’s not much but that made me actually happy
A machine knew more about what it means to be human than any of us do
Poor Legion. It was always one of my favorite characters ❤
if this option is possible im all for it, but if not, im going straight to save the geth
It's possible just gotta make sure you do the right things for it
I just beat the trilogy yesterday for the first time in my life. 260 hours total. Best possible outcomes for everyone and had peace... and the FUCKIN ending spat it on my fucking face. Really???
I choose between sacrificing the brotherhood I had with Legion and keeping the promise of saving his people to destroy the reapers and lose EDI as well
Or have everyone share the same DNA even though the whole point was to kill the reapers
Or I become one with the reapers, who I don't even know will just find a way to fuck it up and wipe out the galaxy again.
Like bro. I ended up destroying the Reapers, but really? Everything I achieved meant nothing? I had to break promises and relationships to destroy the reapers?
Shitty ending for a great game
Did you have enough war assets? You have to do ALL side missions and planet scanning. the game rewards you if you put in the work and are a completionist. plus, it makes playing much more fun.
Imagine a cycle that has endured for millions of years, never faltering, never failing. Then out of nowhere this one person from one species changes everything and defeats you time and again. Even manages to destroy your personal army and pet project.
Harbinger speaks of you!
I can imagine Harbinger telling the rest of the reapers what is happening only for the catalyst to do air quotes and say “ah yes Shepherd. We’ve heard your theories on him/her already”
I died so many times until I figured that aiming laser down
ME3 has some of the best scenes. This is one of them.
Love that moment
Tali Zora vas Normandia forever
But Liara T'Sony, her way and her truly love to inspire the world, new technologies, like she s giving all herself to her way, that she loved.
Mass Effect is GREAT game that gave me a dream that peace on the Earth will come when we ll find a big enemy outside of our galaxy. And all humans will be together
Why you do this to me!? Makes me feel those feels, you know, emotions.😂😢
It is quite surprising that only the quarians received such scathing speech from Shepard. While both sides aren't faultless, we all know who is hurting themselves the most with their hate.
can we all agree that Tali is the most illness resistant Quarian due to banging Shepard
"you know who i am?" avengers infinity war really stole that quote from this awesome scene
This is the best outcome. Keeping both Tali and Legion alive. Is the best choice
Proof that the Catalyst was wrong.
Its insane to me how many people dont choose Tali as a default romance for a male shep.
Right? They have the sweetest scenes imo
Jack is also there :(
MIRANDA
How tf does Shepard's "Keelah Se'Lai" had that much emotional weight behind it.
Because Tali tells him that meaning in mass effect 2
i faq up in 2 have to go back to get this ending. it's so sad the way legion dies when you choose the quarians. Tali's vicious with that stab in the back. either way rip legion. say what you will about 3 but i thought it was really good.
Sadly someone like Shepard doesn't exist in this reality, right now we would need him more than ever.
baaa im crying rivers here... Why did they stop writing characters like these for games? rarely ever a game out nowadays where you care about the characters.
"We could be alive, we could help you." I like how the Geth are portrayed in ME, they are DEFO not evil/maleficent AI that I feel is overdone in media.
Bruh This moment 💯
Peace and love is the answer
The Geth never wanted war, they only wanted their creators to come home.
It’s mainly the choices you make in me2 to get the peace outcome it’s not hard if you know what your looking for
The I Know was so cold blooded
#Dammit there's something in my eye again
I want the next mass effect to show the Quarian face......it bugs me not to be able to see what a quarian looks like for the past 4 mass effect gameplays
I wonder if Raan know something about Tali and Shepard Romance.
I cried watching a robot in a video game die 😑
Why i don't have rally the fleet or alarm the fleet choices etc.? Damn i got wipe out the entire geth etc...
Even though I know I did everything correctly due to my decisions across all games. I still didn't get the peaceful option. It must have something to do with legion dying in the second game. Even though I completely his loyalty quest on both games as well as tali's too
I've played through this trilogy so many times, and I still can't ever save both species.... drives me fricking crazy! 😡 I've literally done everything, had both of their loyalties from me2, defused their argument, made sure Tali wasnt exiled, saved the admiral in me3, had my reputation bar at 100% argghhh its so frustrating
This is cool
I had the misfortune of starting my first game from ME3 and having to chose the Geth or Quarians...
Why do we always only face the worst possible outcomes when starting a new game?!
No one in todays world or throughout history has been able to comprehend what a Soul is.
To this day, I'm still kind of annoyed that they didn't actually show tali's face in the end of this scene.
It would be great to actually get to see what the Quran look like underneath the mask as a reward.. especially if it was only if tali is your romance partner
7:54
Like just thought about it. Couldn’t legion of made a copy of their consciousness somehow?
Can you not save both if you rewrite the heretics?
You gotta have win her trail and not choose a side during their conflict in ME2
Save Admiral Koris , Complete Rannoch , in ME3
But you literally just make the requirements
@@DragonShark64 gotcha, I see what I did wrong. I took Talis side in the argument because I heard if you stay neutral you can't romance Tali? Not sure if that's true or not
@@anthonyzoldork8557 It's not true. Remain neutral if possible. Better hop to it, the faster you go back the faster you'll get back here
I had to restart the 2's suicide mission halfway into 3
@@DragonShark64 too late, the Geth are no more
Reapers were more interesting when their motives were "beyond our comprehension".
In the 3 they get reduced to the instrument an AI uses to clean their galactic petri dish.
5:33, the ost that starts here is awesome. Anyone know the name??
I don't even have those dialog options, what the fuck??
You gotta win Tali's trial with the Paragon or Renegade option, rewrite the Heretics maybe in Mass Effect 2, save the Admiral that crashed on Rannoch and do the Geth mission where you're in the conscious of them in Mass Effect 3, and maybe in Mass Effect 1 give Tali the info you get on the Geth from one of the side missions
Shepard might've tipped the scale but in the end? It is Legion (who uplifted his people, completely eliminated possibilities of being wiped out or re-enslaved by Quarian) who brought the peace.
Peace cannot be made while one is significantly weaker than the other. Peace is earned through war, through building up respect.
That's what I realized after playing this game like the ten times.
Legion would have brought peace only to the geth but not the quarians who’d be wiped out without Shepard’s speech.
This is beautiful, but one of the most unrealistic scenarios in the franchise. Trusting that peace between Quarians and Geth can endure is naive. The Geth drove an entire race to almost extinction and claim they did so in self-defense. More recently, they allied themselves with Reapers. Twice! Even Legion, the most trustworthy of their species for Shepard, has been manipulating him to appeal to his compassion, and at the first chance he got to get the upper hand in the war, he took it without a second thought. We know that if Shepard didn't convince the Quarian fleet to stand down, then Legion either exterminates the Quarians or dies trying to kill Shepard if he tries to stop him from doing so. There's just no way leaving these two races to share a planet again wouldn't end in another bloody conflict sooner or later.
That is, unless Shepard chooses to destroy the Reapers, and with them all AI life in the galaxy, entinguishing the Geth in the process, so it's all kinda pointless anyway.
Indoctrination theory claims that the star kid was actually a reaper, trying to dissuade you from wiping them out. Bullshitting you, in other words. Make of it what you will.
During the Morning War, the moment the Quarians were no longer a threat, the Geth ceased attacking. As was pointed out when you found that out, the Geth didn't know what the ramifications would be if they drove a species to extinction. Until the Reapers became involved, the Geth also left the Quarians alone. The Geth merely wanted the right to exist as a sentient species. Long as the Quarians treat the Geth like they would any other species, the Geth will give them no more trouble than any other species would. Yes, if peace can't be brokered, of course Legion will try and continue uploading the code. He's trying to save his people. Why do you expect him to just let his people die because the Quarians can't accept the Geth have as much right to live as they do.
Why you gotta be so pessimistic
You what's really sad and I wish was addressed more in this game
The geth in the third game are portrayed as innocent victims of the morning who did not sought to kill for killing's sake but for survival snd yet here they are comprising everything they believed in just to be accepted
Changing everything they held dear
They're using reaper codes to improve themselves even though the reason they split with the heretics was that they didn't want to accept handouts from the reapers and be enslaved
Their megastructure where no Geth would truly be alone gets obliterated and now they're forced to give up their hive minds for individuality something they category do no want
I took the reaper code useage as a 'nesscisity of war' issue(trying to avoid another takeover from other reapers or the quarians.) The way its phrased at 6:00 'each geth' coming from legion likely means each program of the hundreds that control a body. As for the indivduallity issue. I think (a bit speculative but this is what it seems to be to me) Legion only becomes a single being breifly when converting themselves into the upgrade for the rest of the Geth.
Tali = best
what is the song at 8:16?
nvm its vigil
Bruh wtf why’d she kill herself😂
Thought I’d be able to see a pop up line or something to get the warmongering admiral disengage so I told legion to keep going.
Then all the quarians were being obliterated 3 seconds later.
Then tali killed herself right then and there. I tried to save her. I don’t know if I didn’t do the pop up in time or if it’s not possible.
If you’ve never watched that version, save yourself the pain. It’s easily in the top three most painful things I’ve seen in all fiction.
Then I tried to go back but had to restart the entire mission. Including that god awful boss fight. Only to be forced to commit genocide and kill legion, my third favorite character in all of mass effect, in self defense after he tried to save his entire species from extinction.
I became a reaper that very moment. I caused the extermination of the geth.
I will never be ok with that. I just wish the requirements for peace weren’t so damn specific. Like you’re screwed if tali is exiled, why? If you chose to rewrite the heretics, you’re screwed, why? I get the rest of the other requirements but Jesus that makes no sense to me and it cost me in the end.
Also why does legion HAVE to die? He just needed to upload into a more direct access point right? So why not just fly up in a shuttle and do it manually? That just seemed really stupid to me. Rip legion.
The absolutely mandatory requirements for brokering peace are:
1. Keeping Tali from being exiled from the Migrant Fleet while preserving her father's reputation (and thus maintaining her full loyalty)
2. Recruiting Legion & completing his loyalty mission
3. Stopping the dispute between Tali & Legion without taking sides with either one (using Persuasion)
4. Making sure both Tali & Legion survive the Suicide Mission
5. Having your Reputation meter in ME3 to at least 80% by the time you start the Priority: Rannoch mission
6. Completing the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission *before* Priority: Rannoch
7. Completing the mission to rescue Admiral Koris *before* Priority: Rannoch, and saving Koris rather than his troops
As long as you do all of those, it doesn't matter whether you destroy or rewrite the Heretics during Legion's loyalty mission; you'll still be able to bring peace between the Geth & Quarians. In fact, if you rewrite the Heretics, then the Geth provide a bit more War Asset points in ME3.
What if you didn’t play ma2 ?
I'm 95% sure that you can't get this outcome if you didn't play ME2.
@@lucasvega4216 yeah you gotta do specific stuff in me2
you can use genesis 2 comic and still have this outcome