450 Bushmaster vs 4570 GOVT - How Many Paper Plates???
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@ about 5:40 you are surprised to see that they didn't penetrate near as far as you would liked them to.
But little do lots of people understand that this feature is what makes these big bore guns so effective.
The target must absorb 100% of the energy from the bullet to stop it.
This may help to illustrate the point: I took my new 45/70 over to my brother in law's house.
So he gets his 8mm mauser and we set up an old refrigerator sideways to us.
He shot first and we went to look. He said look at the power of my 8 mm, it came out the other side.
So I shot and the refrigerator fell down. The bullet had stopped inside of the refrigerator for the 45/70.
I told him: Point being...your dear ran off wounded. Mine was knocked down.
One round knocked a full size fridge over ON ITS SIDE? That's pretty hard to believe..
Pew Tube - Why? You hit it near the top with a bullet that expands properly and you have plenty of energy left, after initial penetration, to knock a 150-200 block over. I used to hunt with .43 Spanish. I never got a refrigerator door to put on my wall, but I knocked a few deer DOWN, and destroyer less meat in the process.
@@GunSnob 9mm fmj will push through a refrigerator I'd say a 45-70 would blow through one to
@@pho3n1xr1sing Depends if you hit something solid inside.
Bullshit
I would love to see this test redone with hardened solid projectiles that are designed to penetrate.
The 45-70
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Put a colored plae every 100 plates to help for counting.
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Or leave them in the wrapper.
If you mean PLATE, I agree.
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You are kinda stupid aren't you?
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Stupidity confirmed. You could have never said anything and no one would be the wiser.
Now you shine like the sun. Congratulations.
I think the Bushmaster went a tad further because it gained slightly less velocity from the Ranch's 16.5" barrel compared to the longer Marlin. The 45-70 'exploded' more upon impact. IMO.
very good testing.. now the deer know how many plates to wear.. lol.. excellent reports..
Yup! Shhh dont tell the deer it is almost bow season
Ha Ha Ha good one ! made me laugh
Took a deer with the 450 last night
Deer are very smart creatures so much so that they know where to cross a road where deer crossing signs are posted
LMAO
It would have been cool to see how deep a non-expanding bullet would have penetrated (like a hardcast flatnose load from Buffalo Bore, or a Lehigh Defense solid which Underwood Ammo offers). Maybe this could be a follow-up video? I like your experiments either way - fun to watch.
I use Hornady in my 45/70. Never cared for Winchester rounds for any of my guns. Just never had any consistency with them.
Buffalo Bore is the best factory ammo. There standard pressure rounds pack the best punch, and they have magnum offerings that produce stupid amounts of energy
@@sleeper.simulant7327 man they sure do wallop!! I have standard loads by them and BOOM! I also have the 350gr magnum loads, you won’t want to spend a lot of Beth time with them, and I have a couple boxes of the big hard cast, holy sh*t do those things wallop!
I don’t hand load , so they get expensive fast, but I do keep some Winchester, Remington and federal in the safe also. For shooters or whatever. They’ll all drop a deer or pig like the hammer of Thor though.
45-70 on the shoulder and 44mag super BH on the hip I’m sure I could drop a Yeti!
@@megastick9324 with the current rush to meet demand quality control has slipped a lot in factory ammo, I've found that handloading is currently the only way to get affordable consistency. I've gone through three different boxes of factory 5.56 and had so much inconsistency between each shot and caused cycling issues while my handloads almost never cause an feed/eject failure.
I also removed the stock flash suppressor from my .450 and replaced with the smooth cap. No noticable increase in recoil but much less "boom" back to the shooter. I highly recommend the .450 bushmaster. Ammo costs are very similar between the .450 and the .45-70 govt. I paid $30 +tax for .450, and I paid $33+tax for .45-70 govt. Both are box of 20 rounds.
Should have bought all of them looking at todays prices.
Next we want 50 Alaskan vs 50-110 win, are fairly comparable 450-525grs at 2100fps-2300 fps
Bullet construction quality is difficult to determine but appears that the 45-70 retained more mass which wins in my book.
I've heard much the same on ballistics for these two cartridges - very happy to see you do some comparative shooting!
I've been looking forward to doing these comparisons for a while now. Thanks Ken
I've been waiting for this match up
Me too!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Your local party goods store must love watching you walk in heading towards the paper plates
The idea is the full pressure is in the intial hit.
The 7.72 combat rifle rounds and the 5.56 are made for the puncturing effect. A 45-70 is meant more for the heart stopping and bone crushing. (Another way of putting it is swiss cheese making vs getting hit by super sonic hydraulic press.) The former you might keep running as you leak blood. A 4570 though gonna either stop your heart or its gonna cause brain hemoraging damage on a scale that will make getting hit with a proper military issue weapon seem like a mercy killing.
Wow that's impressive ... Keep up the great videos man and thanks for the great content
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Great video man!!!
"i'm gone lossen these up and start headin in from the back"
Heck Josh you say that about all the girls!
Always love the paper plate test and this one answered the question I’ve been asking myself for quite some time now. Quick sidenote though could you please get a closer up view of the projectiles before you fire them I would greatly appreciate it. Awesome video brother.
Great video, now I know which calbre I will build next.
Thanks for watching Paul!
Now try this with the 45-70 African big game rounds.
Hard cast lead.
@Chad Klaren yeah, \i eould love to see a contest of how far the powder will push a round when it's meant to travel, not to stop.
African big game loads ? Federal premium safari ? Normas. Cape shock. Kynoch ? Barnes triple shock. Lmfao
500 gr hornady DGS. At 1600. Handload. Not no African load.
Also try and get some Underwood Ammo Extreme Penetrator rounds for the paper test!
That will be a fun one
Just found this one WTW! Great video with those rifles and surprised me with the results! Thanks!!
Hey Chuck!
Great comparison!!!!! Thanks for the vid!!!!
Thanks for watching Brian!
I want to take the time to thank you very much for making this video. As someone who really enjoys the 45-70 cartridge I found it very interesting. I do believe with a hot load by buffalo boar on the 45-70 you would have beaten that 450 bushmaster though. Thanks again was a lot of fun watching it! 👍
Thanks for watching! More 4570 videos coming very soon!
Yeah! I agree 100%!! I've seen some pretty HOT loads that put out around 3500 ft lbs of energy!!! THAT IS A LOT OF ENERGY!!!
TBH, your using a pretty lightweight round for the 45-70.
Yes that was the point. Otherwise it would not be a fair comparison
Man, I really thought that both bullets would have went farther. Especially after the pistol tests! Great video brother! Thanks for the vid. Roll on Who Tee Who
Thanks for watching Danny! Was surprising, but fun!
You make so many awesome and informative videos!
Appreciate you watching!!!
Next up could you do a video on .458 socom vs .45-70 govt ballistics? I've always heard that .458 socom is practically .45-70 power in an AR platform. I'd be interested to see how they compare.
Was the 45-70 round a hollowpoint? Of course it didnt penetrate.
Both were lead soft-points, not hollow-points
@@jimwells4240 The 45-70 box clearly says hollow point on it.
They were jacketed hollow points. Winchester doesn't make a 300gr soft point in .45-70.
Not only that but the bushmaster is a hotter load and the Winchester is a mild load for all weapons meaning safe for 130 year old firearms. There are much hotter loads for modern firearms.
Got to have one of each. I'm happy to take those paper plates if they up for auction
Nice video. Thanks for the kind words on the 450 Bushmaster. I too have done some penetration tests with the 450 Bushmaster.
230 grain FMJs
2400+ FPS.
7/16” steel boiler plate
Didn’t stand a chance. Neither did anything hiding behind it. Video is on my channel. Thanks again!
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I love the 450 bushmaster! I will go subscribe to your channel!
Seeing how strong those plates are, the extra distance the 45-70 went can equal much more in a different medium such as Grizzly bear.
well it was the 450 Bushmaster than went 10% further.
Big difference between the 450 with soft points against 45/70 with jacketed hollow points
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At least someone who saw that the 45-70 was not shooting the same bullet tipe.
I salute you sir
exactly.... This guy is a dumbass. Really, a hollow point vs a SP. Come on man!
I did like that the 45/70 bullet held together
The 45-70 comes to life when hand load with identical bullet the 450 bushmaster and 45-70 with factory loads its pretty much same. love when doing a penetration test people pick soft point and hollow points that are designed to expand and not penetrate and if not the same brand it is impossible to determine anything because the lead mix can be completely different causing deferent expansion points.
Big barrel length difference
Lol I was hoping to find a comparison between this 2 ha ha!!!
Great video buddy 👍🏼
THANKS!!!
We have almost 1,000 videos! Done a lot of comparisons 🤪🤪🤪
Thanks for another cool video! 😁
Thanks for watching Dewey!
Revisit this and use a hard cast 300gr in the 45-70. It will make the bushmaster look like a 22lr.
Could the same be said if you used hard cast lead solids in the 450?
Im really trying to see which would better suit me. I feel the 45-70 has a higher ceiling but the 450 can do most of what the 45-70 can to a degree and theres always a give or take between cartidges.
The Winchester are loaded pretty week.
@@thomashaley5284 you our stupid is not a 130 year old gun
Great video great channel thank you!!👍
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It.s great to see someone enjoy what they do!! Question have you seen a video no a mdt. stock for a savage 30-06
Thanks for watching!
I doubt if you shot a big razorback pig, or a Sambar deer, they would notice the difference between the two 45 cal bullets. Personally I will stick with my Henery 18in barrel 45/70 lever action, if for no other reason, nostalgia & Ammo availability compared to the scarce 45 Bushmaster. Good vid, cheers from Downunder.
Thanks for watching Ernest!
The 45/70 round is not a soft point! It's a hollow point! How is that a fair comparison??
Both semi jacket
@@aaronm8694 The HP will expand very quickly. Those loads are meant for small deer, etc. Unfortunately, anything lighter than a 400 or 405 will most likely be a HP round for the 45-70. I would hate to be on the receiving end of either, but then again, you wouldn't care after getting hit with either.
Fun! Probably just a slight variation in the way the two different bullets were made. The 45-70 case is longer so it can be loaded hotter. Thanks!
Closest bullets i could find to make it fair. Most 4570s are loaded hotter and with bigger bullets
The .45-70 is a traditionally blackpowder cartridge (70 grains of black powder) so with smokeless it's usually got about 50 grains which is similar to a fully loaded .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM, the modern rounds are shorter as they were built around higher density powder like how 38SPL and 9x19mm have about the same power and same powder load, the 9x19 casing is smaller as it doesn't need to be so big with modern powder. However since .45-70 has leftover case capacity now and modern rifles are stronger it's possible to load it hotter, like my .44 Magnum rounds that I make for my Henry but would not put in my revolver.
Super cool video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching Sonny!
I kinda want to see how many plates a crossbow with razor broadheads will penetrate.
We can make that happen too!
Guess it would all depend on what distance, how many pound cross bow etc....
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Load em to the same cup pressure and you will see a huge difference.
Your channel is popping off I'm proud of you bro
Hey appreciate that. Next time im in TX we need to do a collab video
WHO_TEE_WHO for sure brother
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Thanks for the very good video on this WHO_TEE_WHO ! I do own both the 450 BM and the 45-70. And I also own a 444 Marlin with about 25 other guns and calibers. Just speaking for myself. Out of all 3 of these guns I own I like the 444 Marlin the best. So was wondering on how the 444 Marlin will do on this test ? And how far distances were you shooting from ? And I do not own an 450 Marlin but this 450 Marlin sounds like an very interesting caliber. Some day can you do another video on this with the 450 Marlin and the 444 Marlin ?
its not really a fair test. the 450 bushmaster is loaded at around 38,500 psi. most factory ammo: winchester for the 45-70 is safe in all guns including trapdoor which has a psi of 28,000.
As close to as Fair as we can make it :-)
Mikelsworld; oooooo that explains it. Ty
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Ok I'm starting to figure out the rules. Maximize 1 cartridge to its full potential and minimize the other to its minimal potential. 😀 ok as long as we know the rules to the tests. Haha. I do enjoy your videos even though it does mislead some of the viewers.👍
Thanks Terry. All in good fun
Ok, for all the hunters here...
This video got me thinking. With the way that lead broke up, wouldn't it scatter lead all through the meat? Or did it break up because of how hard the plates are when stacked like that? I mean, they say to wash your hands after touching lead bullets so you don't end up with lead poisoning, seems if these rounds broke up like that in an animal, you may be eating small chucks of lead.
And sorry if I sound like an idiot. I only shoot targets and carry for self defense. I do not hunt, so never thought of this stuff before.
Yeah the bullets sometimes fragment, but not near as much here. When i do rwcover a bullet from a deer it is ussually in one big slug. Will be catching these bullets in water in another video this week - that will show a similar result
Cool to know! I have always wanted to hunt but around here it is too crowded. I worked for a security company years ago. We was hired to keep people off a rich persons land during hunting season. You could see the orange vests, hats, etc all around walking into the other fields and woods. Too many guns looking to go BANG in a small area in my opinion. So I just stay home. lol
Wow. Yeah i used to hunt public land and some spots would get crowded
I could write a book on being leaded, I lived in Kellogg, ID as a child, the foliage was burned back by pollution for a half mile or more from town in every direction. The Bunker Hill lead smelter and other smelters ran unabated 24/7, I am now in my late sixties, I have cast lead and worked in a lead smelter. My lead content is 11.5 micro grams per thousand parts, you on the other hand are more than likely in the 5-7 micro grams per thousand parts, possibly less. I have never shown any of the problems the medical community threatens people with. Lead is toxic to a point, but so is Teflon, stainless steel, cast iron and most every other item on this planet. Humans are all different and have different tolerances, therefore, we all react different to our surroundings. Continue the way you are, but don't get to uspset about being around lead, you probably don't want to eat it, but if you ingest a fragment it won't kill you for many years, lead poisoning requires months or even years of contact to be harmful to an adult human.
Thanks for the info Ray
This would a better test if you used similar ammo. Repeat this with Underwood Ammo with Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators for both. Also, there are some very hot loads available for the 45-70 that the 450 Bushmaster doesn't come come close to in energy. I live in Alaska and carry my 45-70 with Underwood 305 gr +P using Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators which has 3740 ft lbs of KE. Awesome stuff!
I love my 450 bushmaster. This was awesome to see. Would love to see the 450 up against more rifles.
Tons of very similar 450 comparisons up already. Over 10 at least. More coming soon
Not shooting the same rounds there.
One is a JSP(jacketed soft point)
And the other is a JHP(jacketed hollow point)
He said JSP for both rounds.
@@mag-nm7tw And that was wrong.
The .45 Government, 1873 technology still gettin’ ‘er done!
Yes it is!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Love it. That was a good one man.
Thanks for watching Robert!
I always enjoy your videos!!.............Cheers, Jim
Cheers Jim!
Have to remember that .450 Bushmaster is loaded to 38,500 psi, whereas the Winchester .45-70 is loaded to something less than 21,000 psi in deference to Trapdoor Springfields. The .45-70 can be loaded to .450 Marlin pressure in a Marlin 1895. Not with my shoulder behind it though.
"Not with my shoulder behind it though."
Eh, new 1895s have threaded barrels so you can screw a muzzle brake on the end of them to soften that recoil so you can shoot hot loads through it without it killing your shoulder.
@@guyontheinternet8891 Honestly, I’d go after anything in North America with the right 400-420 grain bullet at 1600-1700 fps, so those uglies aren’t necessary.
@@876mpr I agree there. The +P stuff is cool, but totally unnecessary.
@@guyontheinternet8891 And how cool does that make the 45-70, when you can get that kind of performance for around 20,000 psi?
You want penetration try a cast bullet. Those rounds you are using are for rapid energy expansion on target.
Ermine Alox-I agree.if penetration is the goal,cast bullets need to be used.
The extra plates seem to be able to give the ones in front MORE support in stopping the rounds, I am assuming.
LOL at the bug inspecting the 450 at 3:22
Then It is inspecting the plates at 3:36 lmao!
Did you hire that bug as a sidekick!? lol
Another great video! I am surprised it was that close..
Bugs everywhere!!! 😂 i was surprised that close too
That was a great test but didn't the 308 and 30-06 penetrate more paper plates then the 45's did ?
Thats why i was surprised 🖒
Alfred Angelici In the paper plate test with the 30-30,308,30-06 he used 150 gr. soft point for bullets.
Not a real accurate test with a soft point versus a hollow point
Does it really matter in paper plates though?
Interesting video! You hit the trifecta with me. I am a big fan of 1).45-70, 2)Marlin rifles, 3)Winchester Super X bullets.
Thanks for watching John! I love the 4570!!!
Love those guns. And nice ruger ranch. Was looking at one before I got my 30-06
I love them too! The ranch is pretty sweet. The 30-06 will def get the job done
I figured they would have went further but both will take Deer down with lot of damage👍🇺🇸
Thats right Big Poppa! Thanks for watching!
16 in barrel vs 20 in barrel. Identical bullets, similar charges. The 45/70 will win.
Thanks for watching Kirk!
Kirk Boswell video shows the 450 BM won.
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Agree mostly on what Jack said on this. Yeah the 45-70 has a longer barrel. And the 45-70 have more lead and more gun powder and bigger and make a bigger hole and probably will do more damage. But shooting calibers this big or on hunting purposes I am sure the animal would not know the difference if it got hit from a hunter from using a 450 BM or 45-70. This is one thing and it appears this video also proves it, that a longer barrel or a bigger caliber or what ever does not always mean better or more velocity or more knock power etc....
Funny how so many butt hurt people that own a 45/75 are. They act like its a car race or something. Off the shelf I'm grabbing the 450 every time. Not that the 45-75 is weak but to get it to full potential requires reloading, extra time effort etc. The 450 is ready rock right out of the stock box and it won with a shorter 16 inch barrel, just think if the 450 had a 20" barrel would hit even harder.
I think the .45-70 will go through more but the Bushmaster will open up more.
I am thinking that because the Bushmaster isn't as pointed. Flatter surface will start expansion sooner.
That Bushmaster surprised me. It's hard to tell what expanded more but the Bushmaster clearly went through more. Good stuff!! Fun channel.
Awesome! now you guys need to do the same with some heavy, hard-cast slugs.
Yup!
Both lovely rifles. Defo need to do same test with hard cast ammo
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I once thought about purchasing a 45-70 lever action but didn't really need one and now they are really expensive. Then the 350 Legend and the 450 Bushmaster come on the scene and are drawing my eye. I can use one lower and switch off between the two is an appealing arrangement in the AR configuration. Throwing in the number of States limiting hunting Deer to straight walled cartridges I'm getting that desire to put together another AR lower just for those two caliber uppers.
That was fun to watch and answered the questions I had. I hope we all realize here that this is apples and oranges. What the 450 does is put 45/70 potency into a fast and maneuverable system such as the Stoner (what Hollywood calls 2 letters and 2 numbers I won't write here) and with almost no extra needs such as a proprietary magazine, etc.
In that, it is hands-down the superior "big bore" cartridge.
Working on getting the Ruger 450 light weight and easy handling. I like the 45/70 also but here in my state the 450 makes more sense range is under 100 yards easy and more likely 40-50 yards. Have been deer hunting with a Thompson encore .50 and it has been a great rifle but now we can shoot straight walled cartridges and this is newer so I’m going to give it a try..
I love the 450 bushmaster!
Great shot placement.
Just did some shopping, cheapest new 45-70 is $775 from Rossi. Cheapest 450 bushmaster was the Mossberg Patriot at $355. That's +45 plates at like 45% cost.
Big bullets that carry a lot of energy, but both bullet are made to dump energy quickly to drop targets fast without over penetration. They'll shake that table, but won't go far. I have a Bushmaster AR chambered in .450 Bushmaster with a 20" barrel. Same type of results when using soft point ammo. With Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator the .450's a monster. I've dropped 250-300 lbs. hogs at 200 yds with complete pass through with it. I will have that Ruger dangit. A perfect bush gun that can still reach out and touch something out to 200 yds easily. Nice job brother.
Man I wish I could go hog hunting with you sometime :-)
Cool and informative. I would like to see troy ind. PAR in 308 and or 338 fed.
just a piece of information, thr 45-70 commercial rounds are loaded a lot lighter than modern firearms can handle. Hand loads for a modern rifle are significantly more powerful, safely. They do this because so many of the old winchesters are still in use and they don't want to blow them up.
Who Tee Who, keep rocking out the fun videos, your making a lot of people smile and encourage others to watch you, please keep putting out the video :-)
Thanks for watching Husker! Appreciate that. Spread the word! Will have a new video out every day as long as youtube keeps letting me do it 😂
Would love to see u do a 270 243 and 375h&h mag like this
Thanks, WTW. Your videos are a lot of fun. I enjoy your enthusiasm. You and Hickok .45. Both from the Volunteer State. Be safe and keep shootin'.
Always appreciate you watching Mark!!!
Just got the Ruger 450B havnt shot it yet but loved the video.
Love that rifle
I Guess that answers my question about how the 450bush was compared to the 45-70 ;)
More comparison vds coming soon!
Your on a role bro. Keep em coming
Spread the word! Im workin hard 😂 Thanks for watching Victor
WHO_TEE_WHO you got it
Thanks Victor
Just looking at the projectiles I can see mote exposed lead on the .45-70 cartridge which might have a bearing on the results.
I love how the 4570 ammo box said deer elk and bear when it should say anything land animal on the fucking planet
45-70 Marlin is the ONLY rifle with a T-Rex on the suggested game panel. Deer, elk, moose, bear….T-Rex!
Great vid...subbed.
Thanks for watching griffethk!
I own both of these guns. Exact same ones. Love my straight cased rifles. I use my Ruger American .450 Bushmaster for deer. Its my go to gun. I let my 6mm,.270,30-30,6.5,.222, all set in cabinet now. The .450 is just a beast
Love the 450!
No surprises....big ol' heavy soft-points, not traveling ridiculously fast. Paper plates stacked tightly are VERY dense. Both slugs expended all of their energy IN the target....didn't waste any with overpenetration. The only thing I really was impressed with was that the .45-70 slug stayed pretty much intact, while the Bushmaster came apart.
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Like this video a lot. I replaced my 45/70 with a 450 bushmaster have had more one shot kills and most surprising, is not one of the Elk took more than 2 steps after being hit with the 450 bushmaster.
Hornaday Lever Evolution! Not sure they make a 450 bush but the 45-70 is whole lotta fun in the BFR. I wonder how those would measure up???
I absolutely love my ruger american ranch .450 bushmaster. I've killed 4 deer with mine. The furthest was 205 yards. Devestating round. I shoot the hornady black 250 grain. Just purchased an 1895g marlin .45-70. I too have the Winchester X 300 grain ammo. Have not shot it yet but am very eager to get it out and stretch its legs. Awesome video. Keep them coming.
I love the big rifles!
@@WHOTEEWHOyes indeed sir. I use my .450 exclusively for deer hunting. Love it.
Damn Right! I bought a 450 as soon as I heard about them. My guy at the gun shop ordered it for me. When I got to the shop to pick it up everybody was standing around talking about it. Best of all the rifle will shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards in anybody's hands. I must tell you it's the loudest rifle I own.
I love the 450!
I was betting on the 45-70, but both guns are pretty nasty, wouldn't want get hit with either one....Good video !!!
thanks for watching LArry
It's been interesting to see several of your "paper plate" tests. I'd be interested to see what would happen if you soaked the first half or so of the plates in water and see how the bullets respond.
Thanks for watching Eric! That would be interesting!
you should do this again with the 45/70 but with the 325gr sst hornady ammo
That was a surprise. Can hardly wait for the milk jug tests if they will catch them rounds.
Milk jug test is going to be awesome!!!
You got me thinking now about converting my .308 Win. BLR Mod.81 worn out barrel.
I'd like to see a paper plate comparison between the .350 Legend and the .460 S&W out of revolvers with similar barrel lengths.
Normally I would say nothing, but your .450 BM had a jacketed SOFT point. The 45-70 had a jacketed HOLLOW POINT (that's what the ammo box said). Since hollow points are velocity based, the longer barrel of the 45-70 almost guaranteed that said expansion would reduce penetration. Just an observation. Thanks for the vid.
Yeah closest comparison i could find and make it somewhat fair without overpowering the 450 with some real heavyweight 4570 loads 😂 . There isnt much 450 bushmaster ammo out there. Thanks for watching Mike!
Do a ballistics cross check like you did for the 30’06 @ .308 for .350/.450 and 45/70 or the .460 S&W