Right on. Fan of the .450 master of bushes. One idea i had after seein some vids bangin on the .35 legend or goin off on the "urban effectiveness" of various calibers in the ar without even mentioning it. Was that the hunting and urban parameters of 2 to 3 hundred meters overlap and .350 hits a sweet spot in capacity and bullet weight 5hat would lend itself well to frangible loads. Food for thought
Yes and accurate! If you haven’t gotten any get some. Been using this stuff for 4 years now out of my CVA cascade. Need a different magazine for it. It drops deer
Because of the bolt action rifle remaining completely locked until the bullet has left the barrel and no gas from firing the bullet being used to operate the action @russr
When you shoot a deer with the 450 Bushmaster does it damage a lot of meat on the deer. I'm just curious because I just purchased a Henry Repeating Arms single shot rifle chambered in 450 Bushmaster and my furthest shot, I will have to take is 30-50 yards?
If you hit a major bone like a shoulder blade or something, it will cause more damage than if you hit just ribs. So the answer (like most quality ammo) would really be, it depends on the shot location. Behind the shoulder, not so much. In the shoulder, expect more damage.
How about working up a slower monolithic 450 for suppressed use that would also have 45lc applications for us supressed guys or levers or single & bolt guns. just a fellow michigander idea
@@SteveC810Oh gotcha. Yeah they would know. But, there’s a new load out that’s a 200gr traveling at 2,600fps that will fit in your Patriot (and AR’s). I’ve got a video that just came out today on it. You should check that one out. That would be an excellent option.
@shanewhope it's probably loaded to hot for a AR platform would be my guess as to why he said it's specifically made for bolt and single action black butterfly ammo is another one to check I'm curious myself having a AR for ohio
Gas guns require specific pressure curves for port pressure and extraction timing . Too much pressure would beat the gun and result in parts breakage. While an adjustable gas system might help in some ways, you are still left with accelerated wear of the bolt and premature breakage possibilities, as well as potentially (most likely) higher pressures in the barrel/chamber upon unlocking. You may only break an extractor. You may rip right though the case head as it is still stuck in the chamber from still too high pressure for the design. You may break bolt lugs (the ar bolt can only be hogged out so much before you have to move to a bigger platform). Bolt action guns can have much larger locking lugs, and need no consideration for timing of auto unlocking If the ammo is designed specifically for manual bolt actions, would not recommend running it in a gas gun with different design parameters.
I have also been looking at the 350 however with the increased speed you definatly have my attention. Was this originaly a winchester round or? Also I need to find more info on your custom rifle. Thanks in advance, T
Try they 105gr MKZ from Cavity Back. With a stout charge of N530, I'm getting over 2800 fps with them out of a 24" upper. They've always expanded beautifully for me, and I get sub 1/2 MOA. Farthest kill was just shy of 700 yds on a prairie dog. Farthest deer was a decent Indiana 8pt that dressed out at 180 lbs. He was quartering away heavy. Hit just behind the back rib and exited through the front of the opposite shoulder after going through one lung and the heart. Based on the wound channel, expansion looked good and total penetration was over 30" before exiting.
I believe they test out of 22” barrel but I can’t remember. If so, there won’t be much of a difference at all. You’d have to ask them directly. There’s contact info on their website.
Me too, I have the TC with MGM 25.5" muzzle broke barrel that has some unreal velocity and energy with about every bullet I've tried theoretically I could be looking at 32-3300fps,WOW
I believe the issue is the magazine overall length not being long enough in an AR. I believe you can single load it but they won’t fit in the mags. You can email Bear Creek Ballistics directly and ask them.
In my guns they are less than 2”. The bullet is still rising at short ranges. As long as it doesn’t exceed 2” or so from point of aim, I don’t worry about it. I set up my guns for maximum point blank range. Then I don’t have to worry the range out to around 215yds or so. Just shoot. Anything longer and I can dope the shot
@@FullQuiverOutdoors My preference has always been to zero a hunting rifle at 150 yds. If the MV is relatively slow (~2,00 fps), it puts my 100 yds POI at 2" or maybe a little under. If the MV is higher, the POI might be closer to an inch. Not enough difference to worry about, but being 1" closer to "perfect" from an accurate rifle gives a little more room for error in the field. At 200, my POI is low by roughly the same amount. 200 yds is relatively easy to judge, and you can be off a little without making a bad shot.
Yeah, I wish they had displayed a meaningful ballistics chart. If I ever meet someone who manages to zero their rifle at zero yds, I'll shake their hand...
I don’t know. I can tell you from experience that the big difference in their 240gr load is the bullet. It expands at any range and penetrates extremely well. Short range you get large exit hole but the bullet stays together. No shrapnel in the meat. Long range we’ve recovered some bullets and they always look like an advertisement. Perfect mushroom. We haven’t recovered a bullet yet from their loads that haven’t been beautiful.
Too expensive to guarantee an ethical kill? The bullet is literally the only part of the entire hunting rifle system that actually touches the target. Why do people not blink twice spending hundreds of dollars on a scope and even more on a rifle, then go to the store and buy a $20 box of ammo? Doesn't make much sense.
Obviously these are all tested at a certain length barrel and anything shorter will be slower. That’s how all ballistics are listed on ammo boxes. Nothing different here
Right on.
Fan of the .450 master of bushes.
One idea i had after seein some vids bangin on the .35 legend or goin off on the "urban effectiveness" of various calibers in the ar without even mentioning it.
Was that the hunting and urban parameters of 2 to 3 hundred meters overlap and
.350 hits a sweet spot in capacity and bullet weight 5hat would lend itself well to frangible loads.
Food for thought
The original intent for .450BM was to be specifically fired from an AR platform.
Yup. That was before many states adopted limited straight walled cartridge laws that favor the 450 BM. Now it’s way more popular than ever imagined
Thanks genius. This guy's a master gunsmith he knows that.
300fps faster?! That’s a crazy!
Yes and accurate! If you haven’t gotten any get some. Been using this stuff for 4 years now out of my CVA cascade. Need a different magazine for it. It drops deer
if you reload, and YOU CANT USE THIS IN A A15, look at the 460sw load data... thats how u get these speeds
Because of the bolt action rifle remaining completely locked until the bullet has left the barrel and no gas from firing the bullet being used to operate the action @russr
When you shoot a deer with the 450 Bushmaster does it damage a lot of meat on the deer. I'm just curious because I just purchased a Henry Repeating Arms single shot rifle chambered in 450 Bushmaster and my furthest shot, I will have to take is 30-50 yards?
If you hit a major bone like a shoulder blade or something, it will cause more damage than if you hit just ribs. So the answer (like most quality ammo) would really be, it depends on the shot location. Behind the shoulder, not so much. In the shoulder, expect more damage.
Less damage than a 12 gauge slug if you’re familiar with those.
How about working up a slower monolithic 450 for suppressed use that would also have 45lc applications for us supressed guys or levers or single & bolt guns. just a fellow michigander idea
Will these fit in my stock Mossberg Patriot mags?
I can’t remember offhand what the overall length is on them but the info is on their website. I believe the only thing they won’t fit in is an AR mag
@@FullQuiverOutdoors ok, just wondering cause the website shows the HV rounds needing an upgraded mag for the Patriot 😞
@@SteveC810Oh gotcha. Yeah they would know. But, there’s a new load out that’s a 200gr traveling at 2,600fps that will fit in your Patriot (and AR’s). I’ve got a video that just came out today on it. You should check that one out. That would be an excellent option.
Great footage and explanation
So will this NOT work in an AR platform or just not optimized?
Im also curious
@shanewhope it's probably loaded to hot for a AR platform would be my guess as to why he said it's specifically made for bolt and single action black butterfly ammo is another one to check I'm curious myself having a AR for ohio
Gas guns require specific pressure curves for port pressure and extraction timing .
Too much pressure would beat the gun and result in parts breakage.
While an adjustable gas system might help in some ways, you are still left with accelerated wear of the bolt and premature breakage possibilities, as well as potentially (most likely) higher pressures in the barrel/chamber upon unlocking.
You may only break an extractor. You may rip right though the case head as it is still stuck in the chamber from still too high pressure for the design. You may break bolt lugs (the ar bolt can only be hogged out so much before you have to move to a bigger platform).
Bolt action guns can have much larger locking lugs, and need no consideration for timing of auto unlocking
If the ammo is designed specifically for manual bolt actions, would not recommend running it in a gas gun with different design parameters.
The High Velocity ammo will not work in an AR because it is too long. The cartridge overall length is too long. It says that on the website.
@@EricLaney-n1k NO for a AR.. the PSI will break bolts...
Can these be fire in an AR.
Yes they can but they are too long for the magazine so they have to be single loaded. They are designed for bolt actions and single shots
I want some please
I have also been looking at the 350 however with the increased speed you definatly have my attention. Was this originaly a winchester round or? Also I need to find more info on your custom rifle. Thanks in advance, T
Check out the Bear Creek Ballistics website for more info or contact them directly. They are great guys and can help you out.
Should make it in 6.5 grendel ..ssts are good just wanna try new ammo
Try they 105gr MKZ from Cavity Back. With a stout charge of N530, I'm getting over 2800 fps with them out of a 24" upper. They've always expanded beautifully for me, and I get sub 1/2 MOA. Farthest kill was just shy of 700 yds on a prairie dog. Farthest deer was a decent Indiana 8pt that dressed out at 180 lbs. He was quartering away heavy. Hit just behind the back rib and exited through the front of the opposite shoulder after going through one lung and the heart. Based on the wound channel, expansion looked good and total penetration was over 30" before exiting.
Will you get this Velocity out of a 20in barrel. And what length is yours.
I believe they test out of 22” barrel but I can’t remember. If so, there won’t be much of a difference at all. You’d have to ask them directly. There’s contact info on their website.
Make some for my 460 Thompson Center rifle.
Me too, I have the TC with MGM 25.5" muzzle broke barrel that has some unreal velocity and energy with about every bullet I've tried theoretically I could be looking at 32-3300fps,WOW
How do I order for the 450 Bushmaster?
Click on the link in the description or search “Bear Creek Ballistics” online
Do you make these for 350 legend yet?
Yes they do. 140gr all copper bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2600fps. I did a video on that one too.
Can you run this through AR?
I believe the issue is the magazine overall length not being long enough in an AR. I believe you can single load it but they won’t fit in the mags. You can email Bear Creek Ballistics directly and ask them.
If they are 2 inches high at 100 how are they up close 30 50 70 ?
In my guns they are less than 2”. The bullet is still rising at short ranges. As long as it doesn’t exceed 2” or so from point of aim, I don’t worry about it. I set up my guns for maximum point blank range. Then I don’t have to worry the range out to around 215yds or so. Just shoot. Anything longer and I can dope the shot
@@FullQuiverOutdoors My preference has always been to zero a hunting rifle at 150 yds. If the MV is relatively slow (~2,00 fps), it puts my 100 yds POI at 2" or maybe a little under. If the MV is higher, the POI might be closer to an inch. Not enough difference to worry about, but being 1" closer to "perfect" from an accurate rifle gives a little more room for error in the field. At 200, my POI is low by roughly the same amount. 200 yds is relatively easy to judge, and you can be off a little without making a bad shot.
I personally own the same caliber in the AR formate and was wondering about magazine fed systems
Oh, one more question well two. What is the recoil? and where do I get the full ballistics chart, charts? Thanks again, T
I can’t tell a difference in recoil although there has to be a slight increase. Check out their website for more details
Yeah, I wish they had displayed a meaningful ballistics chart. If I ever meet someone who manages to zero their rifle at zero yds, I'll shake their hand...
@@nospam3409, if you emailed them, I’m sure they could get you the info you need. Jeff and Christian are great guys
300 fps faster depending on barrel length
That’s impressive.
When will Bear Creek Ballistics do a video of its 240 grain 450 Bushmaster AR ammo? This AR ammo is listed on their website.
I don’t know. I can tell you from experience that the big difference in their 240gr load is the bullet. It expands at any range and penetrates extremely well. Short range you get large exit hole but the bullet stays together. No shrapnel in the meat. Long range we’ve recovered some bullets and they always look like an advertisement. Perfect mushroom. We haven’t recovered a bullet yet from their loads that haven’t been beautiful.
Do they do any loads for 45/70
Not yet. Those aren’t legal for use in our limited firearm zones so they aren’t a high priority.
@@FullQuiverOutdoors oh damn I didn't know that
@@EricLaney-n1k, yeah, kind of a weird rule we've got here in the midwest. Straight walled cartridges only and limited to 1.8" in length
@FullQuiverOutdoors I'm in Ohio and I was so happy for the straight wall cartridge law
@@EricLaney-n1k, same here. I used to hunt Ohio quite often. Glad to see most of the Midwest adopted a similar law
Great bullet but just to expensive
Too expensive to guarantee an ethical kill? The bullet is literally the only part of the entire hunting rifle system that actually touches the target. Why do people not blink twice spending hundreds of dollars on a scope and even more on a rifle, then go to the store and buy a $20 box of ammo? Doesn't make much sense.
I got good results with the federal 300 grain hollow point and Hornady black I wish they were 20 bucks try $43 for 20
I bet the 16 and 20 inch barrels won't be able to do that
Obviously these are all tested at a certain length barrel and anything shorter will be slower. That’s how all ballistics are listed on ammo boxes. Nothing different here
@FullQuiverOutdoors did you test it on a 16 inch barrel? Just curious at the numbers with one.
@@BamaShinesDistillery Bear Creek Ballistics has done a lot of testing of that and should have those numbers if you email or call them.
@FullQuiverOutdoors
This is very interesting to me. Does that cartridge head space on the mouth like an auto-loading pistol round since it doesn't have a shoulder?