444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2023
- In this video, I compare the 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt to see once and for all who the winner is. Covey makes a guest appearance and longs to chase birds while I compare these cartridges.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Cubby stole the show!!! What a beautiful dog and companion. Thanks for sharing Ron. Stay well and God Bless.
i think its covey. like a group of quail. but yes coolest looking dog and so mellow
Beautiful dog, anybody know the breed?
I was wondering that myself. Is he part Dalmation? Mixed with German Shorthair maybe? Inquiring viewers would like to know. Looks like a great dog. Certainly very well behaved
Cubby sure did but that leaves me asking if cubby has an onlyfans? 😉
It's covey
That has got to be the best-behaved, sweetest doggie I've ever seen. Beautiful, too! As for the cartridges, I'm working on a matching set of 444 lever gun and a 444 BFR from Magnum Research...deer and hogs, be afraid; very afraid soon.
My combo (lever gun and revolver) is a Big Horn Armory Model 89 and S&W 500 Magnum, both of course in 500 S&W Magnum.
My puppy would eat those bullets for sure.
Well he was talking lever action rounds if he would of talked the difference between the 12,16,20 gauge for upland bird hunt then I'm guessing the dog would be putting the shotguns in the gun cases and bringing them out to the truck to hit the fields.
He'll with the dog rons hat
Ron, if you don't want your doggie. My wife and I will take em in. Lol
The 444 or the 45/70 is very good medicine for any north american big game including coastal brown bears!
I always thought the 444 should get more love
444 was one of my very favorite rounds from 40 years ago, glad to see it gaining momentum again.
I don't think it's gaining any momentum. There are new rifles chambered in 45-70, but not 444.
Liked mine ok , but I like my 45-70 better. More heavy bullet options. Sold my 444 and still have my 45-70.
I have a 444 I bought years ago mine was made in 1976
@@TexanUSMC8089 The r5-70 should have been allowed to die when its time came.
My respect for you increased immensely by the love you show for your dog. 👍🏻🇨🇦
Thanks vanisland. Hard to not love Covey.
I agree with. You gotta be kind to your family. Especially the doggie. Even God says so. I know we love our 3.
Your beautiful dog distracted me throughout the video,what kind is he??
Need a show on 450 Marlin... love that too!
It’s about time someone showed some love for the Marlin 444
I dispatched my first pig with mine the other week.
444 is an awesome round
Was wondering why Hillary hasn't been in the news lately. 😀
I'm 13 and my grandpa gave me a 444 marlin, I use it for hunting deer. Beautiful gun.
Covey seems very well versed in ballistics. Good to see the classics getting some love.
Thank you for this video. I wanted to get a 45-70 but couldn't find one and settled for the 444 marlin and am glad I did. Now I have the 1895CB 45-70 also and love them both. Long live the Lever Gun
I wanted a 444 but ended up with a Guide gun when I found one in stainless. Many years ago
“Settled” haha. There is no settling for marlins, just winning other ways
Cubby is awesome! Love that dog! ❤️🤣
My uncle had a dog like that named Snipe (a dignified animal with human intelligence). Back in those days dogs weren’t chained or fenced. Every day around 11:15, Snipe would make the walk from his house, to our house where he would sit on the back porch.
A little treat, say hello observe the goings on. When we sat down to lunch back home he would go. Never deviate from his course or his time. People still talk about that dog.
The 44 mag is loaded in the lever evolution ammo with a 225 ftx and they work great!
You beat me to it!
Love those loads in my ruger super blackhawk 1445 fps from a 7.5 inch barrel
This comment needs more likes - came here to say the same thing!
I have the Ruger semi auto with the tubular magazine. I shoot the 225 gr. Flex tip while using a red dot sight. It works great on deer in these So. Ga. woods.
They work so great that their B.C is worse than their own 200 grain
Hornadys own 240 grain XTP is .205 and 200 grain XTP is .170 and the almighty dollar snatcher of the FTX 225? .145!
Been partial to the 44s for most of my adult life. Having bullets that will work in 44 specials, 44 magnums and the 444 Marlin.
Just always appealed to me. I'm a triple four guy 👍
Ain't. Nothing you can't do with that ONE caliber.
Covey is a beautiful puppy and she loves her papa. Thank you Ron.
I ordered an 1895 in 45-70 and received a 444 with a serial number that belongs to a 45-70 according to Marlin / Remington, when I called them about this in 2012. I kept the rifle and cut the barrel, by a gunsmith, to 16". I like the 444 just as much as a 45-70. Great review.
Love my 444 Marlin. Really hoping Ruger brings back the original looks to with the rifle. CVA makes a single shot 444.
Mine is in the H&R.
The first Ruger Model 336 is in 30-30 but we can hope…
1886 Browning modern repro in 45-70 loaded with 500 grain hard cast lead flat nose is a beast when hand loaded. Kills um all and it’s so fun to shoot too.
Ron has gone up 100% in my estimation! He has a proper bird dog! None of this GSP bullshit! A proper English Setter! Looks like a Ryman Setter! Pure Class!
What a beautiful dog!
Great co-host!
I've hunted for years with a Marlin model 444P guide gun. I bought it new in 2004. It's one of my favorite rifles. I've taken multiple elk and deer in North Idaho. I never have to look for my game. They drop where there shot 90% of the time.
Cool, I have a 444P and a 444S, I hope to use one of them on a cow elk this year in Wyoming
I agree big bores are what I use also. I'm not a long range hunter. Big bore get it done.
Stunningly beautiful dog!
I didn't hear a single word you said... that dog is super cute.
I've hunted with both in single shot Handi-Rifles. Both are amazing deer rifles for here in Arkansas.
I like the 444 simply for the slightly flatter trajectory though.
But both hit like a hammer on whitetail.
I am in your neck of the woods. While I haven't hunted with the 45-70. I have a fair amount of experience and success with the triple 4. Using Marshal of Beartooth Bullets 444 Marlin load data, in a Marlin 336 . There is nothing on the continent safe from that combination lol
A while back, some southern states started allowing .444M and .45-70 single shot, exposed hammer, breech loading rifles for "primitive weapons" season for deer. They've since relaxed it a bit to be any .35cal or larger cartridge in a single shot, exposed hammer, breech loading rifle. That was a big reason for the uptick in .444M, .45-70, and .35 Whelen. Since they slow walked the regulations down to .35cal, some folks just stuck with the .444M or .45-70 they already had. My uncle hunts with a .444M and he loves it... even using it during regular season, now, most of the time. His is very accurate with the 265gr LEVERevolutions that you showed in your video and he has taken deer with it at 200yds without hesitation.
Thanks for another informative video! I appreciate your hard work and your KNOWLEDGE. I am a big fan of the 45-70. I have read hunting articles of the 45-70 handling Cape Buffalo using Buffalo Bore Ammunition. It is not a long range cartridge , however, within 150 yards it will handle all big game . If I were in Grizzly country, it would be my long rifle of choice. God bless!
That’s a fantastic dog!
I like some .45/70 and other big bore cartridges. I've taken a bunch of deer with my .45/70 single shot running the 300 grain bullet at 2000 FPS average in my hand loads. Mild, easy to shoot loads that put a hammering on deer. Great video
I love how Ron is with his dog.
Yes Ron and now we have the 360 Buckhammer which has been brought out by Remington.
Also you can buy flex tip lever revolution in .44 mag. Got a few boxes in the safe
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the 45LC along with the 44 mag. I have a Marlin 1894 in 45LC, & a 1895G in 45/70. I really love my lever action Marlins.
I got a Marlin 444 2 years ago and just got some Leheigh Extreme Penetrators in 250 gr. for hand loading. Sure to be a great round for Northern Idaho for whatever shows up in my scope!
Thanks Ron and Covey. I have a single shot H&R Handy Rifle in the Rem 444 and then I have my new Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in 45-70. I enjoy both. It is just a little harder to find the 444 ammo on the shelves locally. I just harvest a boar hog the other evening with the 45-70. It fell where it was standing when I pulled the trigger. That big 45 really did the job. Again, thanks for sharing the information on these two cartridges.
Handloading is a good idea with the 444 for a couple reasons. One, more performance. Like a lot of factory loads, they underperform stated velocities. The other is economy and also tailoring for accuracy too. Cases usually last 20-25 loadings. It's a shame Hornady discontinued the 265g FP. It worked very well.
@@nokoolaid Thanks James. Yeah, I need to get the die set and do just that.
Thanks again Mr Spomer.
I have JM Marlin 444 Marlin and a 45-70 JM Marlin Guide Gun, and love both of them! Powerful and accurate and much fun to shoot! They are high quality firearms. I handload both cast and jacketed bullets.
What a beautiful English Setter.
What a beautiful girl! She was so good for the entire video!! What were we talking about again???? 😄😄❤️❤️🐾🐾🐾
We have a pair of .44 Mag, Marlin 1895's for guest hunters, only 1 shot kills.
Love both, I'd add in the .375 Winchester and the .405 Win. The versatility of the .45/70 is you can load down to cowboy action loads and go all the way up to Buffalo Bore or Garretts or anything in between. That was the problem I saw with the .450 Marlin is that your stuck at a .45/70 hot load ballistics unless you re-load. Long live lever guns
Good information, thanks Ron.
Your dog is awesome !!! ❤
Good video. I have a 444 and my buddy has a 45-70. We both like them in the bush. I haven't used my 30 30 very often since I got the 444
always wanted a 444 Marlin lever gun ever since I started reading Mack Bolan books back in the early 1980s ...
Hey! That's my line! Been using that for years! lolol
I had wanted a 444 since I was a kid but never broke down and bought one. A few years ago a friend really wanted a guitar that I had and offered to trade an original Outfitter. Now I have one. And, now I need the matching 450 Marlin and 45/70...
Nope you already have the best one. Triple 4 is the best hands down. Check underwood for some really nice ammo. 👌
Absolutely beautiful dog!
Baby got back! Lol, your title just made me watch that video for the first time in 20 years
Great video Ron, love Cubby and the bird scene! Both the .444 and .45/70 are well respected in the woods. I have a pair of Marlin stainless Guide Guns in .45/70, but would love a .444 too!
Lovely doggie and big bore cartridges, it's paradise !
We love your channel down here in Texas.
Cubby and 45-70, by far the best episode so far!!!!!! Lol
444 stole my heart a few years back
45-70 is my favorite cartridge. Been thinking about getting a fourth rifle chambered for that cartridge. I sure like that Marlin stainless lever action guide rifle. I just got to figure out a way to tell the wife! Lol
Immediate thumbs-up for the beautiful pup! And the rest of the content was also great.
Thats a great buddy you got there. 🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🙂
got a 450bushy and it is quite magical on deer.... its a called 'thumper' for a reason!!! kicks like a mule but fun!!
Love your 4 legged best friend Ron!!! Great video too, thanks like always!
Covey!
Love my 444 Marlin that I bought new in early 70's.
You dog stole the show. Great dog. I like the 45.70. I have one & I love the take down abilities with this round. A good short to medium range cartridge for anything.
absolute gem of a video! You have my subscription for life!
I like both 45-70 & 444
Thanks Ron, I just came into a 444 marlin in a Marlin lever action. Nice gun. BTW, covey is a great dog. I love hunting breeds which is why we have two beagles.
ok...i got to admit i sat here and watched this and never heard a word.... i was too busy watching covey..such a beautiful and regal breed....my grandfather and uncle always have had a setter...the look on coveys face said it all....Ron..i think someone is bored of all this gun talk and would really like to go out and chase some birds
I know you're right, Rotties.
Straight wall cartridges will be legal in Illinois for the 2023 whitetail season.
I recently purchased a .444 Marlin in the CVA Scout V2. I have been playing around with it for a couple months. GREAT little rifle: accurate, very good trigger & absolutely bombproof.
This is my first “big bore” rifle. I gotta say, I am really liking the .444 Marlin cartridge. It will be MUCH improved from a slug gun.
Very well said" I can't wait!
Find all the ammo you possibly can
That’s the one thing that I did not enjoy, so much. I found ammo, but it was off Gunbroker-and relatively expensive.
I was able to buy 200 rounds of Hornady LEVERevolution. Thankfully my rifle loved them.
Got a 444 in the CVA Hunter (old version of the scout) and I love it. Using a 300gr Hornady XTP. Very effective on Whitetails.
How is the accurcy on your 444 marlin in CVa scout
Good timing. Just saw a Cosmi semi auto rifle but only comes in 45-70 and 444. No real direct comparison on the internet yet.
That's one cool dog! 😎
The flatter trajectory of the .444 Marlin is what makes it my choice over the 45-70
Thanks Ron and Covey.
You have great insight on cartridges. I always enjoy your videos. Great Job
Thanks!
Thanks Ron you are absolutely the best and your sweet dog just tops it off. Thank you sir your knowledge of firearms and cartridges is unsurpassed.
Your best friend is a sweetheart,beautiful buddy!
I have both the 45/70 and .444 Marlin. Marlin lever actions. I hunt mature bucks in Missouri. 100 yds and under are my shots. My favorite is the .444. It kicks harder but darn, does it do a number on deer. I use the Hornady 265 gr. Leverlution ammo.
Adorable pup.
Own a 1895 myself hadn't hunted with it since 2017, not sure why. So anyway a lady I know wanted some deer meat this year and on the last day I went and about 10 in the morning 8-9 doe's showed up, well I ran that lever like I'd been doing it my whole life, it was natural it was fast and effective and I really surprised myself how I dropped one at 140 and another 110 and one at 90+ and they we're all spread out probably 80 to 100 yard's between all of them. All I can say is if you don't own one get one , theirs just something special about an 1895. One day if I'm lucky I'll beach hunt Kodiak island, hopefully I'll run it flawless that day too😳
As always.... great job Ron!
That dog is awesome
Bought a 444 lever action in 1972 paid 165 dollars. Still have it
Nice job and big fan! Keep up the great work.
hornady has a flex tip for the 44mag, in there leverevoluution 225gr, 1410 fpc at the muzzle,, great show. I enjoy watching you show. I learn a lot,
Love this channel !!
Love my 444 Marlin
How’s the recoil? Is it the most powerful lever action caliber?
You can find CVA Scout in .444 Marlin, my brother just purchased one.
I have 2 of those!
I have a lever action in .44 mag and have shot the ballistic tips from Hornady. Kicks pretty good and very accurate to 100 yards. Wouldn't ever take it further.
I have a falling block in .45-70 that I have also fired the Hornady ballistic tips from and it's a bruiser! My shoulder was sore the next day from shooting that one! It has an old pop up peep site and is very accurate to 100 yards as well. Unfortunately, without a scope I can't see much further with my vision limitations.
Love shooting both!
Hey that is one cute pooch!! PS: 45/70 Rules!
That's a sweet pup!
Guns and Dogs.....go together like apples in pie!!
I do like the big bores as well.... but then again, I like em all!! 😏
Ron, you put out the best videos. I love your dog when he makes an appearance.
I just bought a CVA Scout single shot that is chambered in .444 Marlin.
You have a beautiful and super well behaved dog. 😁👍👍
Well done, Ron. Oh, and thank you.
My favorite video so far. . . . I've had the .444 about 3 years. The trapdoor about 5. Love both of them.
Best title for an episode. - Ever !!!
Brilliant idea and well done
This is such a great video.
.444 get NO love compared to 45/70 but I love it and have for years
Just the vid I needed to watch! Thanks
Ron , Thank you !!! I’m glad I picked your video to see how my Marlin .444 added up to the 45/70 , because all I see is 45/70’s yesterday when I went to CCA , my Gunshop to pick up a 50 state legal Fight Lite stock n lower receiver asy. N the other guy just bought the m- lock style Marlin lever action in 45/70 !!! I thank you for making me continue to Love my Marlin.444 , it’s old but 99% perfect 💥💥💥💥🔫 Thanks from Commy Ct. 🇺🇸
Now that is a man with supreme good taste in bird dogs! Nothing like a Ryman type English Setter! Majestic supreme bird finding machines. Affectionate cuddle dogs in the off season. No other bird dog is as supremely beautiful!
You have a great best buddy what a wonderful dog.
I'm a 44 mag Man and a 30/30 Fan .
With all this new straight wall cartridge laws for hunting.
The New 360 Hammer looks very promising for a 200 yard hunting cartridge.
And HRA has already built a Lever action side gate Rifle for this Cartridge !