I like both Baby’s Super Forms because of the narrative behind which was an organic version of Baby’s design. It was mean to show that the more powerful Baby becomes in Vegeta’s body, the less the body resembles Vegeta and more like Baby, symbolizing the more control Baby has over Vegeta. Additionally, I like how he was written in his own arc was his involvement with the Great Ape.The placement of Great Ape is important in the Baby Saga for an additional reason: you see, in the Saiyan vs Tuffle(Baby’s race) war, both sides were equal with neither gaining the advantage, however this changed when the full moon of Plant Plant/Vegeta comes play as it only appears once every several years. This let the Saiyans transform into Great Apes which was ultimately was the deciding factor in this back and forth war. The Great Ape carries this theme of “History Repeating Itself” and Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Golden Great Ape Baby was essentially a challenge of who could take that deciding factor from the last conflict and use it better in this new conflict, to which Goku was able to win the challenge with Super Saiyan 4 as he wasn’t tied down by negative feelings such as hatred and was strengthened by his love for his friends and family, where as Baby was only able to achieve Golden Great Ape and that’s it because of his hatred inhibiting him and tying him down(thematically speaking). The Great Ape is the main thing that controlled Baby’s life as it even gave him PTSD when he saw Goku turn into a Golden Great Ape himself and he essentially becomes what he fears and hates the most: a Great Ape. So yeah, the Baby Saga is one of my favorite sagas in Dragon Ball, not just because these reasons but also becuase it introduced my favorite form of all time: Super Saiyan 4! I also think Baby is a very relatable character as when he infected anyone, they identified themselves Tuffles, and when Baby decided to infect the entire universe, meaning turning them into Neo Tuffles, it meant that Baby wanted his race back and didn’t want the tragedy of Tuffles to repeated again(even Bulma confirmed this in episode 35 in theJapanese version.), which is why he wanted to rule the universe. However, as the arc progressed and he was getting pushed back by the saiyans, Baby slowly began to become more and more twisted and drowning further in his hatred, losing sight of his goal, resulting him trying to destroy the protagonists by any means necessary, even if his infected subordinates got caught in the crossfire.
Oh shut it will you. All I have to say is that one is a mini arc and the other is played off like a major one. Isn't that the same arc where Goku gets absorbed too? Coping is above 9000. RoF is better than the shadow dragons arc and black star. Episode 18 already clears Super 17 alone😂
I love goku spirit bomb against kid buu and seeing everyone stop this monster was really awesome and badass in my opinion, but personally for me my favorite is the cell saga with gohan taking down perfect with the Kamahama with his father made me so happy in my opinion.
My favorite things from each saga, each DB show Classic Pilaf: the whole time period from Ox king to the Great Ape was awesome Tournament: Namu, and the fight between Goku and Jackie Chun was beautiful RR: the Baba tournament, specifically Goku fighting Gohan, that was a freaking masterpiece Tournament: Roshi at his best and Tien is such an interesting character especially by the near end Demon King Piccolo: Piccolo himself, revealing so much to the lore Piccolo JR: pretty much what you said Z Saiyan: Piccolo and Gohan's relationship development Namek: what you said Android: everything up to Imperfect Cell absorbing android 17 was perfect, and SS2 was pretty awesome too Majin: Buu turning into a child all up to Goku leaving with Uub is just masterpiece, super Buu was so fun, but from Kid Buu, we learn more about the Kais (not Bibidi's reasoning for some reason), Vegeta at his best in Z, and the spirit bomb finishing move was amazing GT Black Stars: the potential to tell interesting and unique stories from each planet was insane, especially with Goku getting nerfed Baby: the whole Baby lore and SS4 was just pure masterpiece NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17: any 18 moments was awesome Shadow Dragons: you cannot, i repeat, CANNOT, come up, with a better idea for a final boss of Dragonball, you just can't, oh and the ending, don't even try, the ending was masterpiece Super... BoG: SSG and the concept for Beerus was interesting F: Roshi gets to be buff again Tournament: finally more Kaio Ken, I bet I spelled that wrong Zamashu: .... Oh this is really making me think.... Seeing the Scythe was cool..? I like Scythes, my favorite weapon... Yeah 👍 ToP: Jiren looks cool? Moro: I'm actually in the process of reading it... I'm not really done with that yet... Oops, so far, Moro is actually quite awesome Garnola: is this where Ego was introduced? Idk when it was, but if it originated from this saga, I actually kinda like Ultra Ego Super Heroes: Beast Gohan looks pretty cool Black Frieza: I know nothing about this...
I think I said this in another video of yours, but they really should have made the reveal that GT was another timeline and universe in the Dragon Ball world. It would have been great to retcon these characters into Super. I'm sure they could have written around the age difference of some of the characters.
Saiyan/Frieza Saga dialogue, outside of being Dragon Ball flavored, was quite generic. As far as Goku is concerned. It's not until he's met with actual consequences for his assumptions, in the Cell Saga, that we start getting edgier and more unique interactions between Goku. Prior to that, it was the generic "am good man, I kill bad man, you bad man, hurt my friends, and small baby that am barely around"
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I like both Baby’s Super Forms because of the narrative behind which was an organic version of Baby’s design. It was mean to show that the more powerful Baby becomes in Vegeta’s body, the less the body resembles Vegeta and more like Baby, symbolizing the more control Baby has over Vegeta.
Additionally, I like how he was written in his own arc was his involvement with the Great Ape.The placement of Great Ape is important in the Baby Saga for an additional reason: you see, in the Saiyan vs Tuffle(Baby’s race) war, both sides were equal with neither gaining the advantage, however this changed when the full moon of Plant Plant/Vegeta comes play as it only appears once every several years. This let the Saiyans transform into Great Apes which was ultimately was the deciding factor in this back and forth war. The Great Ape carries this theme of “History Repeating Itself” and Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Golden Great Ape Baby was essentially a challenge of who could take that deciding factor from the last conflict and use it better in this new conflict, to which Goku was able to win the challenge with Super Saiyan 4 as he wasn’t tied down by negative feelings such as hatred and was strengthened by his love for his friends and family, where as Baby was only able to achieve Golden Great Ape and that’s it because of his hatred inhibiting him and tying him down(thematically speaking). The Great Ape is the main thing that controlled Baby’s life as it even gave him PTSD when he saw Goku turn into a Golden Great Ape himself and he essentially becomes what he fears and hates the most: a Great Ape.
So yeah, the Baby Saga is one of my favorite sagas in Dragon Ball, not just because these reasons but also becuase it introduced my favorite form of all time: Super Saiyan 4!
I also think Baby is a very relatable character as when he infected anyone, they identified themselves Tuffles, and when Baby decided to infect the entire universe, meaning turning them into Neo Tuffles, it meant that Baby wanted his race back and didn’t want the tragedy of Tuffles to repeated again(even Bulma confirmed this in episode 35 in theJapanese version.), which is why he wanted to rule the universe. However, as the arc progressed and he was getting pushed back by the saiyans, Baby slowly began to become more and more twisted and drowning further in his hatred, losing sight of his goal, resulting him trying to destroy the protagonists by any means necessary, even if his infected subordinates got caught in the crossfire.
The copy vegeta arc was so bad it didn't even get a mention 😂 at least super 17 was acknowledged.
Purple vegeta was just a mini arc. If it was DBZ, it would probably be a filler arc like when garlic Jr Returned
Wait there's a that?
it was like 4-5 filler episodes at most it doesnt even deserve to be called an arc
Oh shut it will you. All I have to say is that one is a mini arc and the other is played off like a major one. Isn't that the same arc where Goku gets absorbed too? Coping is above 9000. RoF is better than the shadow dragons arc and black star. Episode 18 already clears Super 17 alone😂
Good choice on the Pokemon Lake background music🤝
I love goku spirit bomb against kid buu and seeing everyone stop this monster was really awesome and badass in my opinion, but personally for me my favorite is the cell saga with gohan taking down perfect with the Kamahama with his father made me so happy in my opinion.
My favorite things from each saga, each DB show
Classic
Pilaf: the whole time period from Ox king to the Great Ape was awesome
Tournament: Namu, and the fight between Goku and Jackie Chun was beautiful
RR: the Baba tournament, specifically Goku fighting Gohan, that was a freaking masterpiece
Tournament: Roshi at his best and Tien is such an interesting character especially by the near end
Demon King Piccolo: Piccolo himself, revealing so much to the lore
Piccolo JR: pretty much what you said
Z
Saiyan: Piccolo and Gohan's relationship development
Namek: what you said
Android: everything up to Imperfect Cell absorbing android 17 was perfect, and SS2 was pretty awesome too
Majin: Buu turning into a child all up to Goku leaving with Uub is just masterpiece, super Buu was so fun, but from Kid Buu, we learn more about the Kais (not Bibidi's reasoning for some reason), Vegeta at his best in Z, and the spirit bomb finishing move was amazing
GT
Black Stars: the potential to tell interesting and unique stories from each planet was insane, especially with Goku getting nerfed
Baby: the whole Baby lore and SS4 was just pure masterpiece
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17: any 18 moments was awesome
Shadow Dragons: you cannot, i repeat, CANNOT, come up, with a better idea for a final boss of Dragonball, you just can't, oh and the ending, don't even try, the ending was masterpiece
Super...
BoG: SSG and the concept for Beerus was interesting
F: Roshi gets to be buff again
Tournament: finally more Kaio Ken, I bet I spelled that wrong
Zamashu: .... Oh this is really making me think.... Seeing the Scythe was cool..? I like Scythes, my favorite weapon... Yeah 👍
ToP: Jiren looks cool?
Moro: I'm actually in the process of reading it... I'm not really done with that yet... Oops, so far, Moro is actually quite awesome
Garnola: is this where Ego was introduced? Idk when it was, but if it originated from this saga, I actually kinda like Ultra Ego
Super Heroes: Beast Gohan looks pretty cool
Black Frieza: I know nothing about this...
I never see anyone acknowledge the garlic jr saga haha. I dont remember it being so frowned upon that people literally act like it doesnt exist.
It's only bc it's not in the Manga. Its a good arc still
I think I said this in another video of yours, but they really should have made the reveal that GT was another timeline and universe in the Dragon Ball world. It would have been great to retcon these characters into Super. I'm sure they could have written around the age difference of some of the characters.
Gotdamn you have a great analysis . I do want you to harp on some of the bad. I would like to hear your take
Super Emotions/Challenge yourself in life
Zamn that Goku purple hit the spot
The whole bardock thing throwing in the granola arc makes no sense why its pop up now
I don't know where the criticism came from,your content is good. People are just hating
"VEGETA! I can fly!" Nappa was great in the TFS Saiyan arc too. God damn it, Nappa.
Saiyan/Frieza Saga dialogue, outside of being Dragon Ball flavored, was quite generic. As far as Goku is concerned. It's not until he's met with actual consequences for his assumptions, in the Cell Saga, that we start getting edgier and more unique interactions between Goku. Prior to that, it was the generic "am good man, I kill bad man, you bad man, hurt my friends, and small baby that am barely around"
No BOG or ROF reference? 😢
Dragon Ball Z has flat cartoonish character design even GT did it better
Sound crazy.
GT GLAZERS ON BIGTUNES CHANNEL ARE CRAZY
Where is the strength of the broly movie
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