2018 Leaf 2zero owner here. Very fair review I thought, with two useful points missing: 1. Agreed about new price - why bother? I bought mine at 2 years old for £20.5k in as new condition with a 94% battery. They are very well made and undersealed and there's loads of high mileage original batteries still going strong. This car will easily last 15-20 years if you wish. The range would get annoying if you do a lot of journeys over 140 miles, on my 40Kw version, but for once a month, it's fine to have a coffee or a snack while it charges. Point 2. I do quite a lot of city driving and the e-pedal is a brilliant design. It uses the radar, brakes gently to more firmly depending on accelerator pedal position and applies the brakes at about 8mph, so in town, you only ever need to touch another pedal if you have to do an emergency stop. This makes town driving very calm and easy.
LOL, no it won't. Batteries decay just in like in you cell phone. Unlike your cell phone you are looking at over $ 5,000 for a new battery for this car. Like he says if you want full electric go Tesla or else get a hybrid.
@@oraclewizard77 Our 7 year old LEAF with a much smaller 24 kWh pack is still around 88%. 20 years is doable, especially with a larger pack - just wait and see!
LOL, yes it will. Ignore the trolls acting like they understand Li-ion battery technology. The automotive versions of Li-ion batteries do not use the same chemistry as cell phone batteries. Automotive Li-ion battery packs also employ a BMS (Battery Management System) which protects the batteries while cell phone batteries do not. Cell phone batteries have a distinctly different chemistry designed to provide maximum run-time at the expense of safety or longevity. A cell phone only needs to survive 2 or 3 years anyway as providers really don't want them to last much longer. All Li-ion battery chemistries dislike being charged to 100% and do not like being left on chargers at 100% for any given time. Doing this significantly affects their longevity. EVs employ a BMS to prevent this but cell phones do not. Without a BMS to prevent overcharging to 100% or prevent them from remaining on a charger at 100% for extended periods of time, cell phones batteries die within a year or two. Also, active temperature control (liquid cooling) is typically only necessary if you intend to us DCFC (DC Fast Charging) often especially if you live in places where ambient temperatures can reach over 100F (like Arizona). For people that charge at home and only occasionally need DCFC, the batteries will last just a long as they would if they were liquid cooled. Properly cared for there is plenty of anecdotal as well a empirical evidence for early LEAF batteries lasting well beyond 100k miles with acceptable capacity loss. This is especially telling considering that the early LEAF batteries were very small (only 24kWh) which required charging far more frequently than would a larger battery. Given that these batteries have a limited number of charge cycles (typically about 1000) means that SIZE MATTERS. A 24kWh battery with only 85 miles of range might need to be charged once or even twice per day while a 64kWh battery might need charging only once a week. Do the math. 1000 charge cycles with 85 miles per charge cycle is 85,000 miles while 1000 charge cycles with 226 miles per charge cycle is 226,000 miles. This is why a Tesla, with their expected 1500 charge cycle battery technology and 300 miles of range per charge cycle, are expected to go over 450,000 miles.
@@MrSunnyBhoy Leaf batteries don’t overheat because the BMS prevents it. In hot climates on long journeys over 250 miles this could get annoying (longer second daily big charge). But in UK the second charge of the day is about 15 minutes longer than the first one (30-40 minutes) assuming I need 80% minimum. I’d I only need 50% or less to complete my journey, then it’s not an issue.
Bought our 62kWh e+ delivered first week of March and with a little shopping around I got it for a shade over £30k with metallic paint. At £5k less than an E-Niro (plus not having to go on a long waitlist for one with no real discounts to be had) I am very happy with the Leaf. Caveat to that is that I will very rarely rapid charge it, so rapid gate is not an issue for us.
I'm looking at a new Leaf 62KWH. It seems to be a trend amongst 'reviewers' to need an extremely successful car to get all whiny about. They seem to say "let's knock the Leaf and show my street cred". Reviewers also seem to be over concerned with hard plastic and how many bottles a car can lug around in the cubbyholes. I was amazed how well the Leaf was put together.
@itsnotunpleasant Thanks for the reply! That’s awesome to hear the car's still going strong. I was a bit worried about the battery over time, but since I’m only driving about 25 miles a day (maybe 60 once in a while), it shouldn’t be a problem for me.
The 62kWh leaf will actually charge at 100kW, but no-one is deploying 100kW Chademo chargers in europe. The reason you don't get the full 50kW charging power on 50kW chargers is that they can only supply 120A current (this is a cable limitation). Most EV's use battery packs that go between about 350V (low charge) and 400V (fully charged). Which means at low charge you'll get 42kW (350Vx120A) and even if the battery would accept full power at high states of charge, you'd still only get 48kW.
The Pro Pilot Assist works well if the roads are actually marked properly with lines. The Leaf's strength, which you completely left out, is the fact that it has a much better hauling capacity than most other similar cars. As a daily driver for only one or two people, then that's not important. But if you want to haul stuff home from Home Depot after work or on the weekends, the Tesla 3 is a toy, in comparison. So is the Kia.
The Leaf is today the BEST electric car for the money. The Kona has major flaws with their braking system, and options plus the material quality are not to par with the Leaf. In Canada, the Tesla is WAY more expensive the basic version is 300$ more per month.
Pro pilot assist does keep you actively in the lane and steers the car under the right conditions, like on a highway. Saying it is just a fancy cruise control is a big understatement. There is a steering wheel icon on the screen that turns green and beeps when the car is in control. I'm not sure how you can miss that after driving for 1000 miles.
Just to give you all a current price update. (Aug 2023 ) Price new in November 2019. £34500 I have just purchased from main dealer a Leaf 110kw, 40 kWh battery. a Tekna model. In very good condition with two new front tyers.and battery in excellent condition. One Years warranty and one years R.A.C cover. Price paid £13495. I think I have made a good purchase.
In the real world £36k isn't the price of a 62kW Tekna. Probably because it is an older design, and they can afford to, Nissan were discounting Leafs heavily pre virus.The Tekna is top of the range you could get a 62kW around £30k. I have a 40kW Tekna on order at £25k. Lease and PCP prices are good as well. Nissan are at an advantage because the model is established and they make a lot of them. The slow rapid charging could be that the weather was cold when you had it. Cold batteries don't charge quite as fast. Not just in Leafs.
I live in Newfoundland, Canada. The weather never gets really cold or really hot. My friend has a 2011 with 154,000 km. It has full battery health (12) bars. I just bought 2 for my company. 2011 and 2015. They are fun and practical if you know how to educate yourself on their use.
Well, also the Tesla supercharger network exists. If you have the money for a Tesla, then you get the Tesla, because otherwise, the charging will be a nightmare.
@@mattevans4377 as Snorky says, for the majority even a first jen leaf is more than adequate for most people! If you do allot of motorway miles then yes Tesla is the way to go, but the majority Potter around town ans do small trips making a used leaf a bargain!
E Pedal does feedin the friction brakes in addition to the regen. This is because as the car slows down so does the motor reducing the strength of the regeneration power and therefore braking effect. In reality, at very low speed the regen is so low that it cannot overcome the cars momentum. Hope this helps. Good video,thanks
One big difference between B mode and E-Pedal is that the regen braking in B mode depends on the battery having some capacity to hold the charge generated - it needs to be at 80% or less for the full effect. In E-Pedal mode the braking is consistent regardless of charge state, blending in physical brakes to compensate for lack of regen braking. Plus, like others have mentioned, E-Pedal will bring the car to a compete stop and hold it there, B mode won’t.
I’m not opposed to electric cars; in fact I look forward to the novelty of trying one but the thing that worries me is that I’m at the bottom of the food chain and as such I’m usually buying cars that are 15-20 years old. Because of that o tend to know what’s coming down the pipeline into my budget and I’ve always found something fun in low budget. I’ve had mx5s, mr2s, hot hatches and currently on a z4. As things stand though there’s not a single model that would reasonably depreciate to my level that I want. I bet the model 3 is a great car, but its just a family hatchback. The rimak is an amazing car but it’s not going to be 5 grand ever. The needs of the world come before my desire to drive something I actively want, but I understand petrol heads looking around and not seeing anything for them in EV. It’d be nice to see an mx5 or similar on the market in the next few years. If there isn’t something like that until the proposed deadline of 2030 then reasonably speaking the first EV I would likely buy would be in 2045 😂
The Nissan Leaf Plus is an incredible deal as of last week. Nissan slashed the prices for left over 2019's down to $29,000 (for an SV Plus with tech package). That's nearly $14,000 off of MSRP here in the states. Because Nissan Leaf still qualifies for the full incentives I was able to take another $10,500 due to federal and state incentives ($7500 federal and $3000 state). I just drove away with a brand new 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus w/Tech that ended up being roughly $18,500 (about $21,000 after state tax, tags, etc...). Hurry, there aren't many 2019's left.
Agreed with all the shortcomings of the Leaf. I do favor the looks of the 2nd gen (more like a facelift), but it's no longer competitive with everything else. Ended up going for a MG ZS EV Exclusive instead.
@@animalcol1 My delivery got delayed, so I don't have much to say about it yet. Did a test drive, and it's quite spacious and have a fair amount of kit (Exclusive trim). It's not posh, but for 25k it's a good deal. ~140 miles of range are plentiful for my weekly commutes. I plan on living on public chargers (CCS / Type 2), as I live in an apartment - and they're still planning to get chargers installed in the car park.
@@phillippereira6468 It's been great and faultless. Though with more EVs on the road and not having a home charger; I'm struggling to charge without waiting for an hour + (waiting for someone to finish, then charge)
First Gen leaf does everything I need ...apart from my out of town trips where I take my old clunker ! Cheap as chips :) no need to lug around all those expensive kWh of battery. Just ev on the cheap and go electric in 5 years when 3-400 mile is as common as
Just got one new in the US for $23K after taxes and incentives. That's amazing value. You should probably mention the pricing you are bringing it down for does not necessarily apply outside of the UK.
Just one point: the Soul (which is now only sold as an EV in Europe!) uses CCS -- it basically has the same powertrain and power electronics as its "cousins" from Kia and Hyundai. It is the old generation of Soul which still used CHAdeMO.
douglas todd definitely, i had my first Nissan leaf and it was used slightly but i've owned 4 different cars and no other car feels as good to drive as my nissan leaf
Technically there is no such thing as a zero emission vehicle. That electricity has to come from burnt fuel in some way, even wind power those turbines production creates emissions from the thousands of components that need building etc.
How long does it take to fully charge? The closest charge station to me is next to a grocery store. Would I, for example, have time to nip over for some hummus while it's charging? Great content, I really do enjoy it, ta!
0 to 80% in around 30 mins. After 80% like any battery the charge will taper off. At 96% on a 50 KW charger mine pulls around 5kw. When I do long journeys in my 40 kWh tekna I tend to charge at 20% to 85/ 90% .
Even some of the new kids on the EV block will throttle charge speed when the battery gets hot. BYD for example. To me that's preferable to battery damage, but it could be annoying when doing 200+ mile journeys. When I'm going huge distances fast I'll get a train but if I want to drive that distance I'll just give myself extra time. Leaf e+ should be able to do 90% of typical UK driving though..
I still watch the reviews even though I have one on order (since January, now delayed further in current situation) on a two year lease deal. All the negative comments haven't changed my mind. I don't care about the battery or the old tech. much prefer buttons to press over a fingerprint attracting touch screen with menus to navigate. It's half the price to lease over a Model 3 so there's no comparison, I doubt the Tesla is twice as good. More EVs are coming to market hence the two year deal. Will be interesting to see what's available when the lease is coming to an end. I don't plan on driving any further than the range in any day, mostly it's for around town stuff. I need to offset my V8 weekend car somehow!
In basically exactly the same situation. Waiting on my 2 year leased Leaf to come. Was the cheapest EV to lease when I ordered. Way cheaper than the alternatives.
That approach makes plenty of sense. Agree on the buttons too. I absolutely loathe the touch screen set up. Its dangerous, for me anyway, as I've to take my eyes off the road for too long. Stopped me buying a model s for that reason.
Your average leaf owner is only going to the shops and back, the odd garden centre and national trust property. I doubt they go near anything other than their home charger in their entire lives. If it was considerably cheaper I’d consider it for my commuting car. Trouble is even the cheap end of the market is hugely expensive.
Your info about charging is misleading , the 60kw leaf is 100kw compatible e.g. 77kw real intake , the issue is at this time there is just 3 120kw chadamo in the south of England most are just 50kw , that only average 44kw max , if it had ccs then there would be plenty of options
Agree price is nuts, no battery cooling is dumb, but you’re wrong about Pro-Pilot, that steers you extremely well on motorways, easily as good as most other comparable systems (except Tesla’s) I’m not sure you used it correctly.
Nissan went down the route of working on the battery chemistry, to increase heat tolerance and continue to do so. Unless battery cooling is very well designed (such as Tesla), then hot spots can develop within the battery, often near the terminals, which can be damaging. The other advantage of no active battery cooling is less tech to go wrong and less weight. The big down side is the limit on rapid charging (which is what battery management is about). Nissan give a similar warranty on the battery as competitors, so they must be reasonably confident about he product.
Rupert Murray sure you’re right I don’t think nowadays that it has too much affect on battery longevity, it still has some effect. The charge throttling is a total pain though. I’ve owned s 40Kwh and the charge speeds can be horrendous compared to the 30Kwh Leaf we also own. The 62Kwh is more tolerable due to the greater range meaning you need to charge less on s journey.
You don't have the Chevy Bolt in Europe, but it is basically in the same situation as the Leaf. Its price is within spitting distance of the Model 3. However, GM for the last three months has been significantly discounting the Bolt putting it $12K or more below the low end Model 3 making it more palatable. I looked at the Leaf when purchasing my Bolt a few months ago, but just didn't want to take the chance with no thermal management on the battery. To be honest, I blame Nissan for the general public's concerns about EV's having battery degradation. As almost no EV has any significant degradation except for the Leafs due to no thermal management. The first generation of Leafs were notorious for battery degradation and unfortunately that stigma has stuck with some looking at EV's.
Having driven the leaf I couldn't get a good seating position, sitting too high with the steering wheel too far away, it takes a lot away from the driving experience.
Here in Japan the 62kWh version is GBP31,000 including tax. The smaller powered version is not worth buying due to slower charging rate, I hear. The B mode is like a low gear 1 or 2 as you find on an Automatic shifter - for steep inclines and declines. No regenerative breaking. E mode uses regen. and pad braking. Tootling around town this is the preferred mode and with clever driving the brake pedal rarely requires use. Bring on the Evija!
The B mode provides stronger regeneration when the accelerator is released. It works at all speeds so is not directly comparable to a low gear on an automatic shifter.
36 "far-zend.... parnd" oh boy that is a lot of money, no matter how sorry I feel for Greta I wouldn't crack that much off for a car within that range/group. However good good review thanks.
In Phoenix, the 40kw Leaf won't do 100 miles on the freeway with the AC on. Plus, in this heat, the battery starts degrading notably in 1 year. Why would anybody buy a leaf when you can buy a Testa for about the same money and get twice the range, among other things. Once the tax credit, that you still get for the Leaf, expires over the next year, they won't sell at all anymore. What a shame too, for the company that pioneered these cars of the future. It was predictable though, Nissan executives just couldn't figure out that these things need about 200 miles of range to enter the mainstream
LEAF's are still popular in more colder areas, especially if one can be bought at discount. I'm in Minnesota and just got a SL Plus for $23k after taxes. That's a good $20,000 less than a SR+ 3.
@@pioneer7777777 Well done, those SL plus leafs look like a good deal in the low 20's. They aren't quite that low here yet. When they get there, I might pick one up too
You’ve left me more confused but 1 year has passed since your review. The e+ leaf. Is in need of an upgrade, and I don’t want to drive a Chelsea tractor even if it is electric
Why would you look for a Tesla M.3 if you need a hatchback for your family? The price is compatible to both Hyundai and Kia, however when buying a new car you should look for good offers and not waste money. The problem is rather long waiting lists for Kia and Hyundai. If you plan on driving more than 300 km and can't wait for an hour to get the batteries charged, you might look into the laws regarding pauses for professional drivers. Btw it's not wise to charge the batteries from 0 to 100% on fast chargers. No matter what car you use.. Try to Google "Problems with battery coolant) and you get over 78 million hits, mainly not regarding the Leaf. Just saying...
I lease a Leaf 40kw. Have to agree - great car, lovely to drive, practical etc.. but the sticker price new has always been way too much. Makes me sad, stuff like this really slows ev adoption.
In America, that is basically the price since Nissan offers rebates and you can get a federal tax credit of up to $7,500 if you make enough to qualify for it.
New Nissan? No, not worthy of the price / feature. I own 2015 Nissan Leaf which I purchased use at $7500 year ago. It came with 12 bar (full range) and for that price, I can easily justify the value even with the battery degradation issue. It is a good car, don't get me wrong. It has very competent and solid performance and so far had no problem. But Nissan lost loyalty from the many existing leaf owner by not taking responsibility for the battery degradation issue. The battery replacement is financially not feasible and the warranty for battery is a joke. Without their support, Nissan's new offering doesn't provide any compelling reason when compared to new EVs like from Hyundai or Kia (at compatible price) or Tesla if they can afford a bit more.
The range is still an issue. As is the initial cost. As is the charging costs which are now going through the roof. As is the time wasted while it charges. Meanwhile, my totally reliable Peugeot 106 diesel (built in 1996) cost me £500 three years ago, and does a stupendous 80mpg. To get from Lands End to Johnny Groats (yes, I misspelt it on purpose) involves only one stop to refuel. I could give a Tesla a 2 hour head-start and still beat it at legal speeds. I won't be buying an EV anytime soon....and highly likely you won't either.
So you do that trip every day/ week? Most people have a bladder also, so if you do 200 miles stop for half an hour and put another 100-150 in that's more than enough for 98% of people! Yea they are more expensive to buy, but over the lifetime of the car are far, far cheaper to run! Very little maintenance ( a major service is screen wash and cabin filter change!) . Jay is right about the leaf, far too expensive, but discounting the Tesla because over a trip you do once in a lifetime, or even once a year because it saves you "2 hours" is frankly ludicrous. The tesla will be cheaper to run, far more fun ( even my leaf is no slouch at the lights and takes many off-guard) and cleaner for your local environment, yea I'm not a global warming freak, but what is undeniable is Diesel and petrol cars are responsible for produce emissions that cause respiratory issues, heart issues and also linked to various form of cancer, that there is a good enough reason to swap ( especially if you have kids). Tesla's also have regular software updates, how many cars do you buy that may have a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds and then in two years time can suddenly do it in 3.2 ? Try one, you might actually learn something about the future of cars!
@@davefitzpatrick4841 You are utterly typical of the EV brigade. You forget to mention the huge cost to the environment to even build an EV to start with. You breeze over the set-up costs, which for me, and I suspect the vast majority are way out of budget. My Peugeot 106 diesel has been totally reliable in the three years I have owned it. Sure, I frequently change the oil, but I am quite certain the cost of that is not going to add up to the horrendous cost of even buying an EV. Nissan Leaf, the basic one costs £30,000 divided by £5 (gallon of fuel) = 6,000. That buys a lot of fuel at @70mpg (420,000 miles). I won't do that in what is left of my working life. I spend around £300 a year on maintenance so even adding that in, the Nissan Leaf looks expensive. I go to Scotland (800 mile round trip) 4 times a year, I drive a 200 mile round trip once a fortnight, and my regular commute is a 110 mile return trip. Why oh why when my time is precious should I want to be forced to sit in a scutty motorway service station, (no doubt buying overpriced coffee to while away the boredom) while my car charges up. Furthermore I am under the impression that even charging EV's is starting to go up considerably in price, assuming you can find a working charger, and assuming you are a member of the particular charging company who's charger you wish to use. If I was concerned about 0-60 times or top speed I wouldn't be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel. Health: Feel free to produce evidence that one single death certificate has ever cited "Diesel fumes" as reason for death. For the record, I am not an EV hating petrol head (if I was I would surely not be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel. However, until these EV's become WAY WAY cheaper to buy, the reality is only a few people will do so.
Compared to a Tesla, ICE vehicles are cheaper, but there are much cheaper alternatives. If you aren't taking more than one person else with you, an electric scooter/moped/motorcycle or the Renault Twizy (shame it has to limit it's top speed to comply with regulations in the US, limiting its economies of scale) are probably much better or similar value than most ICE cars. Even if you have to rent sometimes for long distance, they are probably cheaper. Not suitable for small children, but if you don't have small children, EVs are cost effective. Still depends on personal taste. Also the electric models are not that old as the Peugeot, so when they are they will probably have similar deals. Edit: Also where are you getting your prices from? A used electric true car can costs less than £8,000
My conclusion is you need to do some homework before you review, the pro pilot is generally regarded as one of the best on any car, and no I'm not a leaf owner,
Maybe Nissan did think that by getting into the EV market early, they were on to a winner. Then, after 7 years of R&D, innovation, accute atention to detail in engineering and design, Tesla arrived. The bar has not yet been matched, and continues to get higher. It's a shame Renault got mixed up with Nissan (who seem to be concentrating on the higher end now), as the Zoe is a superb medium sized 4 seater family car. Renault seem serious, to the point of manufacturing nothing but elctric cars in the EV friendly China. They're not Teslas, but they appear to have much more 'mass market' purpose than Nissan. I hope they are successful in China, and build a solid financial and manufacturing base, to comfortably produce affordable, quality electric vehicles for the European market, on mass.Traditional car makers are revealing that they're creaking at the knees, under the cost of transitioning to ev production. VW are biting the bullet, and opening EV production after the 'lockdown', and hopefully they'll put the disgraceful 'dieselgate' debacle behind them. Barring Renault, VW, MG(?) and a few good, but hard to get brands such as Hyundai and Kia, Tesla remains the serious choice and worth paying/saving a little extra for.
What do you mean "still"? The first generation was never worth buying, it did not have an actively cool battery which led to real problems. Because Nissan was doing what it does, making things too cheaply
Active cooling isn't an issue in the UK because of our climate, it has been an issue in warmer climates there's no denying. I have a 4 year old leaf with 98% state of health!
@@waynerussell6401 this is more specifically the non Tesla EVs and more about 10 years from new when the batteries are knackered but an ice still just needs fuel.
If the range is barely 200 miles new how low will it be in 5 years with an owner that's been continually fast charging? EVs are for leasing from new & then binning at the end of the term, there's no way I'd buy one second hand.
My car is 4 year old, rapid charging isn't as bad as some make out, my state of health ( I have spyleaf) is 98%, battery is guaranteed for 8 years but will go on much much longer, how often do you do 200+ miles? If it's regular/ daily, yes it's not the car for you! But once or twice a year ( as most people do) it's a none issue.
@@davefitzpatrick4841 I think my point still stands, barely 200 miles from new will only worsen as the car ages. I'm not in the habit of doing 200 miles but a bigger range means less time spent sat on a charger, & as we already know the cost of charging only seems to be increasing in price. Plus the horror stories of battery pack replacement costs (particularly from Nissan) would be enough to put me off EVs until they are a genuine alternative to petrol or diesel.
@@Zerofightervi please do some research, I'm not sure where you get your info but it's wrong, if over 8 years you lost 20% of battery capacity you'd still have 160 mile range, 60% of people have a drive, currently with electric providers such as octopus at night time the price per kwh is often below 5p per kwh and at times has even had those house holds payed ( that's not a miss print) to use their electric. I've had my car 6 months ( didn't have a drive so got a subscription with polar) over 3000 miles done at a cost of £41 . I pay £7:95 a month for polar and there are two chargers near me ( park and ride and council car park) that the electric is free for me to use, just the monthly fee for as many miles as I wish. I now have a drive and make use of my solar panels which I've had for three years, so I drive on sunshine alone. Batteries are getting better and in 8-10 years time your battery does need replacing ( unlikely) maybe because you want longer range, their will be third party companies that will be able to do a battery swap probably for the third od a price Nissan charge now. It stands to reason as more EVs appear the garages will have to change their business plan as there won't be money in servicing EVs ( frankly nothing needs doing). You like allot of the general public fret and panic over something they know little about. It's a shame because those that do make the transition don't go back.
Ownership/running charges no one seems to take in to account battery pack life /replacement cost at 8 years.Camcorder/laptop/cordless drill you will know about dead batteries going to the tip.
Car batteries are built and managed very differently to laptop batteries. They have advanced battery management systems that look after them unlike the batteries in laptops etc. Most car manufacturers warrant their electric vehicle batteries for 7 or 8 years to have at least 70% of their original capacity or they will replace or repair the battery pack. Car companies are quite smart where warranties are concerned, so they set the warranty period so there is almost zero chance of the warranty needing to be honoured. This means in practice an EV battery will generally last way beyond the warranty period, perhaps upto 12 years or more, which is about the average life of most cars anyway. Most EV drivers will never have to replace the battery in their car. When the battery does reach the end of its useful life in a car it will most likely be used for static power storage for another 10 years before being recycled. The idea of EV batteries going to landfill is a complete myth. Apart from the environmental damage, the components are too valuable to throw away.
@@davidprescott7463 People are already replacing batteries on Prius at huge cost Current ICE cars have a life span of 20 years at least. When the battery range drops below 50 miles the whole car will have to be scrapped because a new battery is greatly in excess of the cars then value. So depreciation over the life of a BEV car will be a lot higher. At present ICE owners typically contribute £2000 per year to the exchequer in fuel duty and VED BEV owners currently pay nothing . This will not be lost by governments they will reach a tipping point and government will replace fuel duty and VED with a black box direct debit charge of at present costs of 25p per mile - this with become additional to BEV owners within a year or two. There is a bin at council tips for Lion batteries .
@@richardhintonracing Catch up - LiIon chemistry is advancing quicker than you comprehend. Check out Tesla's battery info Day in May (Virus permitting). jes.ecsdl.org/content/166/13/A3031.full
Your loss, obviously don't have kids either! They save you money and are better for the local environment ( imagine the air always being as clean as it has these last few weeks).
Unless you need a car today, for the Europeans I'd hold out for Volkwagen's ID.3 before purchasing anything. That is if cost is a factor. If you have little concern for cost then I'd go with a Tesla due to better technology and the Supercharger network. Here in the U.S., unless you live in California or a couple of other mandated low emission states your only choice of an "affordable" EV is the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf generally both have been receiving heavy manufacturer discounts here versus Tesla's which always sell at full MSRP.
There are emissions making them ( there's always going to be, unless you advocate walking and cycling everywhere). But the national grid gets cleaner every year ( around 30-38% produced by renewables) around 4% by coal, which is reduced every year! I have solar panels and charge mine up with solar power, so yes 100% clean! But I'm not a global warming conspiracy freak, but what is undeniable is, your Diesel /petrol car produces emissions that cause respiratory issues, cancer and heart diseases! They are cheap to run, relaxing to drive, but can be fun. Do some research you'll be surprised.
2018 Leaf 2zero owner here. Very fair review I thought, with two useful points missing: 1. Agreed about new price - why bother? I bought mine at 2 years old for £20.5k in as new condition with a 94% battery. They are very well made and undersealed and there's loads of high mileage original batteries still going strong. This car will easily last 15-20 years if you wish. The range would get annoying if you do a lot of journeys over 140 miles, on my 40Kw version, but for once a month, it's fine to have a coffee or a snack while it charges. Point 2. I do quite a lot of city driving and the e-pedal is a brilliant design. It uses the radar, brakes gently to more firmly depending on accelerator pedal position and applies the brakes at about 8mph, so in town, you only ever need to touch another pedal if you have to do an emergency stop. This makes town driving very calm and easy.
LOL, no it won't. Batteries decay just in like in you cell phone. Unlike your cell phone you are looking at over $ 5,000 for a new battery for this car. Like he says if you want full electric go Tesla or else get a hybrid.
@@oraclewizard77 Our 7 year old LEAF with a much smaller 24 kWh pack is still around 88%. 20 years is doable, especially with a larger pack - just wait and see!
LOL, yes it will. Ignore the trolls acting like they understand Li-ion battery technology. The automotive versions of Li-ion batteries do not use the same chemistry as cell phone batteries. Automotive Li-ion battery packs also employ a BMS (Battery Management System) which protects the batteries while cell phone batteries do not. Cell phone batteries have a distinctly different chemistry designed to provide maximum run-time at the expense of safety or longevity. A cell phone only needs to survive 2 or 3 years anyway as providers really don't want them to last much longer. All Li-ion battery chemistries dislike being charged to 100% and do not like being left on chargers at 100% for any given time. Doing this significantly affects their longevity. EVs employ a BMS to prevent this but cell phones do not. Without a BMS to prevent overcharging to 100% or prevent them from remaining on a charger at 100% for extended periods of time, cell phones batteries die within a year or two.
Also, active temperature control (liquid cooling) is typically only necessary if you intend to us DCFC (DC Fast Charging) often especially if you live in places where ambient temperatures can reach over 100F (like Arizona). For people that charge at home and only occasionally need DCFC, the batteries will last just a long as they would if they were liquid cooled. Properly cared for there is plenty of anecdotal as well a empirical evidence for early LEAF batteries lasting well beyond 100k miles with acceptable capacity loss. This is especially telling considering that the early LEAF batteries were very small (only 24kWh) which required charging far more frequently than would a larger battery. Given that these batteries have a limited number of charge cycles (typically about 1000) means that SIZE MATTERS. A 24kWh battery with only 85 miles of range might need to be charged once or even twice per day while a 64kWh battery might need charging only once a week. Do the math. 1000 charge cycles with 85 miles per charge cycle is 85,000 miles while 1000 charge cycles with 226 miles per charge cycle is 226,000 miles. This is why a Tesla, with their expected 1500 charge cycle battery technology and 300 miles of range per charge cycle, are expected to go over 450,000 miles.
So how accurate is James statement on the battery overheating when rapid charging? Did it cause you any issues on long drives?
@@MrSunnyBhoy Leaf batteries don’t overheat because the BMS prevents it. In hot climates on long journeys over 250 miles this could get annoying (longer second daily big charge). But in UK the second charge of the day is about 15 minutes longer than the first one (30-40 minutes) assuming I need 80% minimum. I’d I only need 50% or less to complete my journey, then it’s not an issue.
You are fast becoming one of my favourite TH-cam car reviewers, well written, informative and succinct without any gimmicks. A thumbs up from me.
Bought our 62kWh e+ delivered first week of March and with a little shopping around I got it for a shade over £30k with metallic paint. At £5k less than an E-Niro (plus not having to go on a long waitlist for one with no real discounts to be had) I am very happy with the Leaf. Caveat to that is that I will very rarely rapid charge it, so rapid gate is not an issue for us.
I'm looking at a new Leaf 62KWH. It seems to be a trend amongst 'reviewers' to need an extremely successful car to get all whiny about. They seem to say "let's knock the Leaf and show my street cred". Reviewers also seem to be over concerned with hard plastic and how many bottles a car can lug around in the cubbyholes. I was amazed how well the Leaf was put together.
Hey! How's the car doing after 4 years? I'm asking specifically about the battery life. I'm planning on buying a 2022 model for daily commuting
Still going strong. Done about 40k miles and no sign of any degradation.
Great car.
@itsnotunpleasant Thanks for the reply! That’s awesome to hear the car's still going strong. I was a bit worried about the battery over time, but since I’m only driving about 25 miles a day (maybe 60 once in a while), it shouldn’t be a problem for me.
The 62kWh leaf will actually charge at 100kW, but no-one is deploying 100kW Chademo chargers in europe.
The reason you don't get the full 50kW charging power on 50kW chargers is that they can only supply 120A current (this is a cable limitation). Most EV's use battery packs that go between about 350V (low charge) and 400V (fully charged). Which means at low charge you'll get 42kW (350Vx120A) and even if the battery would accept full power at high states of charge, you'd still only get 48kW.
Lovin' the new Titles, James!
The Pro Pilot Assist works well if the roads are actually marked properly with lines. The Leaf's strength, which you completely left out, is the fact that it has a much better hauling capacity than most other similar cars. As a daily driver for only one or two people, then that's not important. But if you want to haul stuff home from Home Depot after work or on the weekends, the Tesla 3 is a toy, in comparison. So is the Kia.
The Leaf is today the BEST electric car for the money. The Kona has major flaws with their braking system, and options plus the material quality are not to par with the Leaf. In Canada, the Tesla is WAY more expensive the basic version is 300$ more per month.
Mine is three years old and still has 100% battery power
Pro pilot assist does keep you actively in the lane and steers the car under the right conditions, like on a highway. Saying it is just a fancy cruise control is a big understatement. There is a steering wheel icon on the screen that turns green and beeps when the car is in control. I'm not sure how you can miss that after driving for 1000 miles.
I approve and like the brand new intro that matches this channel
Just to give you all a current price update. (Aug 2023 )
Price new in November 2019. £34500
I have just purchased from main dealer
a Leaf 110kw, 40 kWh battery. a Tekna model.
In very good condition with two new front tyers.and battery in excellent condition.
One Years warranty and one years R.A.C cover.
Price paid £13495.
I think I have made a good purchase.
Good price what mileage was it? And what dealer? Thanks
How strange just watched a video on hubnut where he was at a Citroen berlingo meet there. Great video
In the real world £36k isn't the price of a 62kW Tekna. Probably because it is an older design, and they can afford to, Nissan were discounting Leafs heavily pre virus.The Tekna is top of the range you could get a 62kW around £30k. I have a 40kW Tekna on order at £25k. Lease and PCP prices are good as well. Nissan are at an advantage because the model is established and they make a lot of them.
The slow rapid charging could be that the weather was cold when you had it. Cold batteries don't charge quite as fast. Not just in Leafs.
I live in Newfoundland, Canada. The weather never gets really cold or really hot. My friend has a 2011 with 154,000 km. It has full battery health (12) bars. I just bought 2 for my company. 2011 and 2015. They are fun and practical if you know how to educate yourself on their use.
Another problem with the Leaf is that the Model 3 exists!
Well, also the Tesla supercharger network exists. If you have the money for a Tesla, then you get the Tesla, because otherwise, the charging will be a nightmare.
@@mattevans4377 why is it a nightmare? the ave journey in the UK is 29 miles.....
@@mattevans4377 as Snorky says, for the majority even a first jen leaf is more than adequate for most people!
If you do allot of motorway miles then yes Tesla is the way to go, but the majority Potter around town ans do small trips making a used leaf a bargain!
Too much money for that car I love it. Especially when the 400-mile model y is on the way
The e-pedal uses regen braking down to about 5mph, at which point mechanical braking takes over down to a standstill.
E Pedal does feedin the friction brakes in addition to the regen. This is because as the car slows down so does the motor reducing the strength of the regeneration power and therefore braking effect. In reality, at very low speed the regen is so low that it cannot overcome the cars momentum. Hope this helps. Good video,thanks
One big difference between B mode and E-Pedal is that the regen braking in B mode depends on the battery having some capacity to hold the charge generated - it needs to be at 80% or less for the full effect. In E-Pedal mode the braking is consistent regardless of charge state, blending in physical brakes to compensate for lack of regen braking.
Plus, like others have mentioned, E-Pedal will bring the car to a compete stop and hold it there, B mode won’t.
I’m not opposed to electric cars; in fact I look forward to the novelty of trying one but the thing that worries me is that I’m at the bottom of the food chain and as such I’m usually buying cars that are 15-20 years old. Because of that o tend to know what’s coming down the pipeline into my budget and I’ve always found something fun in low budget. I’ve had mx5s, mr2s, hot hatches and currently on a z4. As things stand though there’s not a single model that would reasonably depreciate to my level that I want. I bet the model 3 is a great car, but its just a family hatchback. The rimak is an amazing car but it’s not going to be 5 grand ever.
The needs of the world come before my desire to drive something I actively want, but I understand petrol heads looking around and not seeing anything for them in EV. It’d be nice to see an mx5 or similar on the market in the next few years. If there isn’t something like that until the proposed deadline of 2030 then reasonably speaking the first EV I would likely buy would be in 2045 😂
Great to see your channel growing Jay - that Google Play placard can't be far away!
The Nissan Leaf Plus is an incredible deal as of last week. Nissan slashed the prices for left over 2019's down to $29,000 (for an SV Plus with tech package). That's nearly $14,000 off of MSRP here in the states. Because Nissan Leaf still qualifies for the full incentives I was able to take another $10,500 due to federal and state incentives ($7500 federal and $3000 state). I just drove away with a brand new 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus w/Tech that ended up being roughly $18,500 (about $21,000 after state tax, tags, etc...). Hurry, there aren't many 2019's left.
Did a similar deal just recently. Pushed me into getting into an EV at that price.
I'm so out of touch with car prices, I was expecting 25 grand, not 35.
I'd rather buy a nearly new gti and use the spare 10k on fuel!
I think 60kwh version is 35, 40kwh is closer to 25.
60kwh is definitively not a value for money.
You can buy a super nice 5.0 supercharged XKR for that.
After federal rebate, the base E+ costs about 26-27K in the US.
Douglas Thompson true.. a loaded one after rebates, incentives, and so cal Edison, and cal rebates.
Agreed with all the shortcomings of the Leaf.
I do favor the looks of the 2nd gen (more like a facelift), but it's no longer competitive with everything else.
Ended up going for a MG ZS EV Exclusive instead.
What's that like? I've heard it's a decent old bus but just a little challenged in the range department?
@@animalcol1 My delivery got delayed, so I don't have much to say about it yet.
Did a test drive, and it's quite spacious and have a fair amount of kit (Exclusive trim).
It's not posh, but for 25k it's a good deal.
~140 miles of range are plentiful for my weekly commutes. I plan on living on public chargers (CCS / Type 2), as I live in an apartment - and they're still planning to get chargers installed in the car park.
@@jasonyee8210 so after a year of ownership of your mg how have you found it
@@phillippereira6468 It's been great and faultless. Though with more EVs on the road and not having a home charger; I'm struggling to charge without waiting for an hour + (waiting for someone to finish, then charge)
@@jasonyee8210 Cool thanks for the heads-up. Am looking at getting the Mg also. Bang for buck it is fantastic
First Gen leaf does everything I need ...apart from my out of town trips where I take my old clunker ! Cheap as chips :) no need to lug around all those expensive kWh of battery. Just ev on the cheap and go electric in 5 years when 3-400 mile is as common as
Just got one new in the US for $23K after taxes and incentives. That's amazing value. You should probably mention the pricing you are bringing it down for does not necessarily apply outside of the UK.
@Hose2wAcKiEr Mine is a 2019 SL Plus.
Just one point: the Soul (which is now only sold as an EV in Europe!) uses CCS -- it basically has the same powertrain and power electronics as its "cousins" from Kia and Hyundai. It is the old generation of Soul which still used CHAdeMO.
Yeah it's the old Soul I am talking about
New intro suits you sooo much more James!!
First question is it good value for the money.?
douglas todd definitely, i had my first Nissan leaf and it was used slightly but i've owned 4 different cars and no other car feels as good to drive as my nissan leaf
Technically there is no such thing as a zero emission vehicle. That electricity has to come from burnt fuel in some way, even wind power those turbines production creates emissions from the thousands of components that need building etc.
How long does it take to fully charge? The closest charge station to me is next to a grocery store. Would I, for example, have time to nip over for some hummus while it's charging? Great content, I really do enjoy it, ta!
0 to 80% in around 30 mins. After 80% like any battery the charge will taper off. At 96% on a 50 KW charger mine pulls around 5kw. When I do long journeys in my 40 kWh tekna I tend to charge at 20% to 85/ 90% .
Model 3 can take 250kW. Need the LR or P model however. My leaf has pulled a max of 47kW.
Am getting a e plus on nhs cant wait
Even some of the new kids on the EV block will throttle charge speed when the battery gets hot. BYD for example. To me that's preferable to battery damage, but it could be annoying when doing 200+ mile journeys. When I'm going huge distances fast I'll get a train but if I want to drive that distance I'll just give myself extra time. Leaf e+ should be able to do 90% of typical UK driving though..
Thanks so much James 👍
I still watch the reviews even though I have one on order (since January, now delayed further in current situation) on a two year lease deal. All the negative comments haven't changed my mind. I don't care about the battery or the old tech. much prefer buttons to press over a fingerprint attracting touch screen with menus to navigate. It's half the price to lease over a Model 3 so there's no comparison, I doubt the Tesla is twice as good. More EVs are coming to market hence the two year deal. Will be interesting to see what's available when the lease is coming to an end. I don't plan on driving any further than the range in any day, mostly it's for around town stuff. I need to offset my V8 weekend car somehow!
In basically exactly the same situation. Waiting on my 2 year leased Leaf to come. Was the cheapest EV to lease when I ordered. Way cheaper than the alternatives.
That approach makes plenty of sense.
Agree on the buttons too. I absolutely loathe the touch screen set up. Its dangerous, for me anyway, as I've to take my eyes off the road for too long.
Stopped me buying a model s for that reason.
Agree on all points.
Your average leaf owner is only going to the shops and back, the odd garden centre and national trust property. I doubt they go near anything other than their home charger in their entire lives. If it was considerably cheaper I’d consider it for my commuting car. Trouble is even the cheap end of the market is hugely expensive.
Your info about charging is misleading , the 60kw leaf is 100kw compatible e.g. 77kw real intake , the issue is at this time there is just 3 120kw chadamo in the south of England most are just 50kw , that only average 44kw max , if it had ccs then there would be plenty of options
Agree price is nuts, no battery cooling is dumb, but you’re wrong about Pro-Pilot, that steers you extremely well on motorways, easily as good as most other comparable systems (except Tesla’s) I’m not sure you used it correctly.
Nissan went down the route of working on the battery chemistry, to increase heat tolerance and continue to do so. Unless battery cooling is very well designed (such as Tesla), then hot spots can develop within the battery, often near the terminals, which can be damaging. The other advantage of no active battery cooling is less tech to go wrong and less weight. The big down side is the limit on rapid charging (which is what battery management is about). Nissan give a similar warranty on the battery as competitors, so they must be reasonably confident about he product.
Rupert Murray sure you’re right I don’t think nowadays that it has too much affect on battery longevity, it still has some effect. The charge throttling is a total pain though. I’ve owned s 40Kwh and the charge speeds can be horrendous compared to the 30Kwh Leaf we also own. The 62Kwh is more tolerable due to the greater range meaning you need to charge less on s journey.
You don't have the Chevy Bolt in Europe, but it is basically in the same situation as the Leaf. Its price is within spitting distance of the Model 3. However, GM for the last three months has been significantly discounting the Bolt putting it $12K or more below the low end Model 3 making it more palatable. I looked at the Leaf when purchasing my Bolt a few months ago, but just didn't want to take the chance with no thermal management on the battery. To be honest, I blame Nissan for the general public's concerns about EV's having battery degradation. As almost no EV has any significant degradation except for the Leafs due to no thermal management. The first generation of Leafs were notorious for battery degradation and unfortunately that stigma has stuck with some looking at EV's.
Did you account for the 10% battery buffer the car holds at/below 1%?
Having driven the leaf I couldn't get a good seating position, sitting too high with the steering wheel too far away, it takes a lot away from the driving experience.
How long is the battery and associated electronics guaranteed for ?
Uploaded exactly at the same time as Regular Car Reviews. 🤔
Great new opening titles.
Here in Japan the 62kWh version is GBP31,000 including tax. The smaller powered version is not worth buying due to slower charging rate, I hear.
The B mode is like a low gear 1 or 2 as you find on an Automatic shifter - for steep inclines and declines. No regenerative breaking.
E mode uses regen. and pad braking. Tootling around town this is the preferred mode and with clever driving the brake pedal rarely requires use.
Bring on the Evija!
The B mode provides stronger regeneration when the accelerator is released. It works at all speeds so is not directly comparable to a low gear on an automatic shifter.
36 "far-zend.... parnd" oh boy that is a lot of money, no matter how sorry I feel for Greta I wouldn't crack that much off for a car within that range/group. However good good review thanks.
In Phoenix, the 40kw Leaf won't do 100 miles on the freeway with the AC on. Plus, in this heat, the battery starts degrading notably in 1 year. Why would anybody buy a leaf when you can buy a Testa for about the same money and get twice the range, among other things. Once the tax credit, that you still get for the Leaf, expires over the next year, they won't sell at all anymore. What a shame too, for the company that pioneered these cars of the future. It was predictable though, Nissan executives just couldn't figure out that these things need about 200 miles of range to enter the mainstream
LEAF's are still popular in more colder areas, especially if one can be bought at discount. I'm in Minnesota and just got a SL Plus for $23k after taxes. That's a good $20,000 less than a SR+ 3.
@@pioneer7777777 Well done, those SL plus leafs look like a good deal in the low 20's. They aren't quite that low here yet. When they get there, I might pick one up too
You’ve left me more confused but 1 year has passed since your review. The e+ leaf. Is in need of an upgrade, and I don’t want to drive a Chelsea tractor even if it is electric
Why would you look for a Tesla M.3 if you need a hatchback for your family?
The price is compatible to both Hyundai and Kia, however when buying a new car you should look for good offers and not waste money. The problem is rather long waiting lists for Kia and Hyundai.
If you plan on driving more than 300 km and can't wait for an hour to get the batteries charged, you might look into the laws regarding pauses for professional drivers. Btw it's not wise to charge the batteries from 0 to 100% on fast chargers. No matter what car you use..
Try to Google "Problems with battery coolant) and you get over 78 million hits, mainly not regarding the Leaf. Just saying...
2:20. Yup.
Even MiEV (from 2009) have active battery cooling.
No serious car comes without battery cooling.
I lease a Leaf 40kw. Have to agree - great car, lovely to drive, practical etc.. but the sticker price new has always been way too much. Makes me sad, stuff like this really slows ev adoption.
I agree with the Trabant in the titles :D
Well it depend on how u r driving it u look like ur very fast your meant to change ur driving habbits
I like the car no it's not perfect. $25,000 would be great for that Nissan bring down the price
In America, that is basically the price since Nissan offers rebates and you can get a federal tax credit of up to $7,500 if you make enough to qualify for it.
Used....yes New...no. £15-£20k makes more sense
So, in conclusion, you like the car (so long as it's the base model), but you don't like charging it? Why am I not surprised....
New Nissan? No, not worthy of the price / feature. I own 2015 Nissan Leaf which I purchased use at $7500 year ago. It came with 12 bar (full range) and for that price, I can easily justify the value even with the battery degradation issue. It is a good car, don't get me wrong. It has very competent and solid performance and so far had no problem. But Nissan lost loyalty from the many existing leaf owner by not taking responsibility for the battery degradation issue. The battery replacement is financially not feasible and the warranty for battery is a joke. Without their support, Nissan's new offering doesn't provide any compelling reason when compared to new EVs like from Hyundai or Kia (at compatible price) or Tesla if they can afford a bit more.
The range is still an issue. As is the initial cost. As is the charging costs which are now going through the roof. As is the time wasted while it charges. Meanwhile, my totally reliable Peugeot 106 diesel (built in 1996) cost me £500 three years ago, and does a stupendous 80mpg. To get from Lands End to Johnny Groats (yes, I misspelt it on purpose) involves only one stop to refuel. I could give a Tesla a 2 hour head-start and still beat it at legal speeds. I won't be buying an EV anytime soon....and highly likely you won't either.
So you do that trip every day/ week?
Most people have a bladder also, so if you do 200 miles stop for half an hour and put another 100-150 in that's more than enough for 98% of people!
Yea they are more expensive to buy, but over the lifetime of the car are far, far cheaper to run!
Very little maintenance ( a major service is screen wash and cabin filter change!) .
Jay is right about the leaf, far too expensive, but discounting the Tesla because over a trip you do once in a lifetime, or even once a year because it saves you "2 hours" is frankly ludicrous.
The tesla will be cheaper to run, far more fun ( even my leaf is no slouch at the lights and takes many off-guard) and cleaner for your local environment, yea I'm not a global warming freak, but what is undeniable is Diesel and petrol cars are responsible for produce emissions that cause respiratory issues, heart issues and also linked to various form of cancer, that there is a good enough reason to swap ( especially if you have kids).
Tesla's also have regular software updates, how many cars do you buy that may have a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds and then in two years time can suddenly do it in 3.2 ?
Try one, you might actually learn something about the future of cars!
@@davefitzpatrick4841 You are utterly typical of the EV brigade. You forget to mention the huge cost to the environment to even build an EV to start with. You breeze over the set-up costs, which for me, and I suspect the vast majority are way out of budget. My Peugeot 106 diesel has been totally reliable in the three years I have owned it. Sure, I frequently change the oil, but I am quite certain the cost of that is not going to add up to the horrendous cost of even buying an EV. Nissan Leaf, the basic one costs £30,000 divided by £5 (gallon of fuel) = 6,000. That buys a lot of fuel at @70mpg (420,000 miles). I won't do that in what is left of my working life. I spend around £300 a year on maintenance so even adding that in, the Nissan Leaf looks expensive.
I go to Scotland (800 mile round trip) 4 times a year, I drive a 200 mile round trip once a fortnight, and my regular commute is a 110 mile return trip. Why oh why when my time is precious should I want to be forced to sit in a scutty motorway service station, (no doubt buying overpriced coffee to while away the boredom) while my car charges up. Furthermore I am under the impression that even charging EV's is starting to go up considerably in price, assuming you can find a working charger, and assuming you are a member of the particular charging company who's charger you wish to use.
If I was concerned about 0-60 times or top speed I wouldn't be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel.
Health: Feel free to produce evidence that one single death certificate has ever cited "Diesel fumes" as reason for death.
For the record, I am not an EV hating petrol head (if I was I would surely not be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel. However, until these EV's become WAY WAY cheaper to buy, the reality is only a few people will do so.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne www.transportenvironment.org/publications/electric-vehicle-life-cycle-analysis-and-raw-material-availability
www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-0488-7
cleantechnica.com/2019/06/14/tesla-model-3-vs-honda-civic-15-cost-comparisons-over-5-years/
Compared to a Tesla, ICE vehicles are cheaper, but there are much cheaper alternatives. If you aren't taking more than one person else with you, an electric scooter/moped/motorcycle or the Renault Twizy (shame it has to limit it's top speed to comply with regulations in the US, limiting its economies of scale) are probably much better or similar value than most ICE cars. Even if you have to rent sometimes for long distance, they are probably cheaper.
Not suitable for small children, but if you don't have small children, EVs are cost effective. Still depends on personal taste.
Also the electric models are not that old as the Peugeot, so when they are they will probably have similar deals.
Edit: Also where are you getting your prices from? A used electric true car can costs less than £8,000
Nissan need to update badly for this price you can get a 77kw id4 now that’s worrying for Nissan
My conclusion is you need to do some homework before you review, the pro pilot is generally regarded as one of the best on any car, and no I'm not a leaf owner,
Yep, you are right, it is simply too expensive.
I own a leaf and the resale value is worthless so make sure you want this for the long haul
Agreed, too much money for this model.
Maybe Nissan did think that by getting into the EV market early, they were on to a winner. Then, after 7 years of R&D, innovation, accute atention to detail in engineering and design, Tesla arrived. The bar has not yet been matched, and continues to get higher.
It's a shame Renault got mixed up with Nissan (who seem to be concentrating on the higher end now), as the Zoe is a superb medium sized 4 seater family car. Renault seem serious, to the point of manufacturing nothing but elctric cars in the EV friendly China. They're not Teslas, but they appear to have much more 'mass market' purpose than Nissan. I hope they are successful in China, and build a solid financial and manufacturing base, to comfortably produce affordable, quality electric vehicles for the European market, on mass.Traditional car makers are revealing that they're creaking at the knees, under the cost of transitioning to ev production.
VW are biting the bullet, and opening EV production after the 'lockdown', and hopefully they'll put the disgraceful 'dieselgate' debacle behind them.
Barring Renault, VW, MG(?) and a few good, but hard to get brands such as Hyundai and Kia, Tesla remains the serious choice and worth paying/saving a little extra for.
Love the outro music 🎶 Name?
My phone seems to believe it's Octadrone VI by ELFL.
"Shademow" very posh :-P
What do you mean "still"? The first generation was never worth buying, it did not have an actively cool battery which led to real problems. Because Nissan was doing what it does, making things too cheaply
Active cooling isn't an issue in the UK because of our climate, it has been an issue in warmer climates there's no denying.
I have a 4 year old leaf with 98% state of health!
@@davefitzpatrick4841 Leaf spy does not show degradation.
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so you've changed your name to Mr. Holmesdale Finance now?
EV market is changing fast what you save in fuel with this you will lose in depreciation compared to ICE engine rivals.
Tesla Model 3 depreciates 5.5% in first year.
ICE average 25%
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@@waynerussell6401 this is more specifically the non Tesla EVs and more about 10 years from new when the batteries are knackered but an ice still just needs fuel.
If the range is barely 200 miles new how low will it be in 5 years with an owner that's been continually fast charging?
EVs are for leasing from new & then binning at the end of the term, there's no way I'd buy one second hand.
My car is 4 year old, rapid charging isn't as bad as some make out, my state of health ( I have spyleaf) is 98%, battery is guaranteed for 8 years but will go on much much longer, how often do you do 200+ miles?
If it's regular/ daily, yes it's not the car for you! But once or twice a year ( as most people do) it's a none issue.
@@davefitzpatrick4841 I think my point still stands, barely 200 miles from new will only worsen as the car ages.
I'm not in the habit of doing 200 miles but a bigger range means less time spent sat on a charger, & as we already know the cost of charging only seems to be increasing in price.
Plus the horror stories of battery pack replacement costs (particularly from Nissan) would be enough to put me off EVs until they are a genuine alternative to petrol or diesel.
@@Zerofightervi please do some research, I'm not sure where you get your info but it's wrong, if over 8 years you lost 20% of battery capacity you'd still have 160 mile range, 60% of people have a drive, currently with electric providers such as octopus at night time the price per kwh is often below 5p per kwh and at times has even had those house holds payed ( that's not a miss print) to use their electric.
I've had my car 6 months ( didn't have a drive so got a subscription with polar) over 3000 miles done at a cost of £41 .
I pay £7:95 a month for polar and there are two chargers near me ( park and ride and council car park) that the electric is free for me to use, just the monthly fee for as many miles as I wish.
I now have a drive and make use of my solar panels which I've had for three years, so I drive on sunshine alone.
Batteries are getting better and in 8-10 years time your battery does need replacing ( unlikely) maybe because you want longer range, their will be third party companies that will be able to do a battery swap probably for the third od a price Nissan charge now.
It stands to reason as more EVs appear the garages will have to change their business plan as there won't be money in servicing EVs ( frankly nothing needs doing).
You like allot of the general public fret and panic over something they know little about.
It's a shame because those that do make the transition don't go back.
@@Zerofightervi th-cam.com/video/Y4bC2rYOIFY/w-d-xo.html this will become commonplace in time.
I hate leasing
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More older HNut kinda stuff please. Old 750iL. Bond cars. Less dull EV. I drive a XL1 EV so not against EVs but Leafs!!!
Ownership/running charges no one seems to take in to account battery pack life /replacement cost at 8 years.Camcorder/laptop/cordless drill you will know about dead batteries going to the tip.
Car batteries are built and managed very differently to laptop batteries. They have advanced battery management systems that look after them unlike the batteries in laptops etc. Most car manufacturers warrant their electric vehicle batteries for 7 or 8 years to have at least 70% of their original capacity or they will replace or repair the battery pack. Car companies are quite smart where warranties are concerned, so they set the warranty period so there is almost zero chance of the warranty needing to be honoured. This means in practice an EV battery will generally last way beyond the warranty period, perhaps upto 12 years or more, which is about the average life of most cars anyway.
Most EV drivers will never have to replace the battery in their car.
When the battery does reach the end of its useful life in a car it will most likely be used for static power storage for another 10 years before being recycled. The idea of EV batteries going to landfill is a complete myth. Apart from the environmental damage, the components are too valuable to throw away.
@@davidprescott7463 People are already replacing batteries on Prius at huge cost Current ICE cars have a life span of 20 years at least. When the battery range drops below 50 miles the whole car will have to be scrapped because a new battery is greatly in excess of the cars then value. So depreciation over the life of a BEV car will be a lot higher. At present ICE owners typically contribute £2000 per year to the exchequer in fuel duty and VED BEV owners currently pay nothing . This will not be lost by governments they will reach a tipping point and government will replace fuel duty and VED with a black box direct debit charge of at present costs of 25p per mile - this with become additional to BEV owners within a year or two. There is a bin at council tips for Lion batteries .
@@richardhintonracing Catch up - LiIon chemistry is advancing quicker than you comprehend.
Check out Tesla's battery info Day in May (Virus permitting).
jes.ecsdl.org/content/166/13/A3031.full
So long as ICE is an option I will never drive electric.
Your loss, obviously don't have kids either!
They save you money and are better for the local environment ( imagine the air always being as clean as it has these last few weeks).
Have you tried?
Dave Fitzpatrick I couldn’t care less about the environment and they don’t exactly save you money
Short answer, no.
Buy a Tesla, or just get a hybrid Lexus.
Unless you need a car today, for the Europeans I'd hold out for Volkwagen's ID.3 before purchasing anything. That is if cost is a factor. If you have little concern for cost then I'd go with a Tesla due to better technology and the Supercharger network. Here in the U.S., unless you live in California or a couple of other mandated low emission states your only choice of an "affordable" EV is the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf generally both have been receiving heavy manufacturer discounts here versus Tesla's which always sell at full MSRP.
Until EV'S become substantially cheaper people will continue to choose the alternatives. They are just far too expensive at the moment.
cleantechnica.com/2019/06/14/tesla-model-3-vs-honda-civic-15-cost-comparisons-over-5-years/
www.iseecars.com/cars-to-buy-used-study#v=2020
Zero emissions my arse
There are emissions making them ( there's always going to be, unless you advocate walking and cycling everywhere).
But the national grid gets cleaner every year ( around 30-38% produced by renewables) around 4% by coal, which is reduced every year!
I have solar panels and charge mine up with solar power, so yes 100% clean!
But I'm not a global warming conspiracy freak, but what is undeniable is, your Diesel /petrol car produces emissions that cause respiratory issues, cancer and heart diseases!
They are cheap to run, relaxing to drive, but can be fun.
Do some research you'll be surprised.
It's the lowest emission car on the market, across its lifetime which includes manufacture and scrappage/recycling.
My arse produces emissions.
No.....
Shadowmo connector? 😂