500 Miles In A Nissan LEAF! My First EV Road Trip
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Throughout this video all I could hear was tony laughing haha
especially when he rocked up to the second charging point and he had to wait.
😂😂😂
Even though this is a sponsored video, i am glad you didn't shy away from explaining and showing the downsides
There is no downside
@@doddsalfa
Main problem is you would keep having to buy things like lunch or magazines to keep you from being bored so you spend more money
If you get a Tesla you can play free video games on your screen while you charge. Of course as long as you’re not on a road trip you’d just charge at home while you’re asleep.
@@craigcampbell1843 It takes 5 minutes to refuel, charging just takes so much more time. No one wants to sit in their Tesla playing silly video games on a road trip. I understand that for people who live in big cities, evs might be helpful since you can charge them overnight, but for people who just commute to and from work, they don't have to refuel their cars everyday. I think evs and ice cars should coexist, people who use cars as a transportation tool can just buy an ev. People shouldn't be forced to switch to electric cars which they pretty much are rn. And evs aren't quite environmentally friendly. As volvo said, manufacturing emissions for their xc40 ev are 70% more than its petrol version. It has to be driven for 70,000 miles (9 years or driving based on uk average) which is quite a lot. And 70% of electricity comes from coal, more evs means more electricity which means more burning of coal. I think more research needs to be done , cus the world has believed that all pollution and climate change in the world is caused by petrol cars, and evs will solve this, which is far from the truth.
@@Varunn_30 I don’t know where you get your information from but you’re so wrong. Producing an electric car does cause about 20% more waste than producing an ice car but that damage is offset in about six months of driving because they cause no emissions. Meanwhile not only does the ice car pollute it’s whole life but so do the oil refineries and the semi trucks it has to have to produce and transport the gas it needs. And 80% of electricity comes from coal? Not even close. In Sweden they mostly use hydro, nuclear and wind. Here in California it’s mostly wind and solar. In fact the state gives you money if you install solar and all new houses are required to come with it. Coal?? Where did you hear that 80% of electricity comes from coal? 1940?
@@Varunn_30 28 minutes charging on a 400 mile trip that was actually split in two stops that were ended anyway. As I’ve said in my other post a quiet Petrol station at Penrith my usual top up place would take 7 minutes on a quiet forecourt. Did I have lunch or toilet break at the petrol station that in keeping with this clip was a shell. Stops were numerous not for charging for toilets, food, just to stretch the legs. Anyone blasting six or seven hours straight fair play but I’d rather come in an hour later and it’s not for charging but driving more relaxed taking breaks that everyone should take regardless of charging. Stopping for the toilet and not charging because there was no need the norm.
@@SWR112 Imo, Evs are great for using in the city, but for trips and long distance travelling, ice cars are still superior. Driving evs, you have to think about where to stop, how long to stop and that definitely increases the time you take to reach your destination. In a petrol car, I can stop where I want to and for any amount of time. You stop and take breaks to relax, some people don't. In an ev, I don't have an option. If Ive run out of battery, I have to stop for 40 minutes or whatever. And right now, Evs arent that efficient, the charging network isnt that good even in developed countries. We're privileged to be living in developed countries where new technologies can be implemented. In so many countries, they can't be. Anyways you have an opinion and I respect that.
I understand the temptation to present the whole electric experience as 'not as bad as you might think' but as a viewer I still saw your experience as 'as bad as I expected it to be'. The suggestion that waiting for someone else to finish charging is not a big issue, and that you can do other stuff while its waiting to charge, does not really make up for the fact that you are stuck there for large amounts of time comparatively speaking. You even said yourself that you could have been home a couple of hours earlier in a Petrol car. Personally I'd rather get home early and do my work in a comfortable location than have to do it sitting on the passenger seat of a car. And on top of that, while it's charging no doubt you're drinking nasty but overpriced filling station coffee and eating bags of Doritos, and getting the pages of your magazine (which you wouldn't normally buy) all greasy.
EV's have their place but it is not long distance; not yet anyway. They're great for short journeys and especially if you can top the car up at home overnight. With regard to fast charging - you have to remember that manufacturers are still only putting the really fast charging 150kw+ kit in super expensive cars which most people can't afford anyway. It's going to be a long time before EVs can truly replace the convenience of a petrol car. I've no objection to that happening incidentally but we have to be realistic about when it will be. They are a long way off right now.
Or to put it another way, what Tony said every time the podcast covered it !
If you use the right ev for the job they are perfect.
He drove over 500 miles in a low range Nissan Leaf. Might as well of taken a combustion car into the desert. I own a long range id4 and I have never used or needed a fast charger.
A little tip for leaf owners that haven’t tried. When plugged in you can press the power button twice (without foot on the brake) to turn the car ‘on’ without the motor on as it won’t allow you since your plugged in.
This is handy as if you scroll to the battery screen on the driver display you can monitor the current rate you’re charging (I’ve not seen a difference in charge with the car off/on) so means you can sit with the climate/radio on and when you leave again you’ve pre conditioned the car or you can if you’re getting a very slow rate of charge move to another charge point.
I’ve noticed myself on a typical 50kwh charger It’ll start to drop drastically at the 80% mark down to 16kwh and slowly go down as you get fuller (as with most EVs) and been getting 4.2kw/miles in my 40kWh leaf tekna 71plate :)
Thanks for sharing, I'm picking up my used 2018 40kwh Leaf Tekna next week - my first EV - so this is great. I have my fingers crossed that the battery cooling issue in the earlier cars like mine doesn't get in the way too much... I understand that Nissan implemented a software fix for later cars like yours.
@@neurojitsu yeah I haven’t personally seen anything. I don’t do long distance back to back driving though.
I get quite accurately 144 miles on full charge, not trying to hypermile and enjoy the instant acceleration (without being a twat about it lol)
@@caolkyle Yes I'm looking forward to that instant torque, I think it'll be really enjoyable in a way that ICE cars aren't most of the time thanks to our congested and camera-infested roads. I was looking at a Hyundai Ioniq as an alternative, but the Nissan's better torque is what finally swung it for me - I figured the everyday drive would just be more enjoyable.
The joy of fast road driving is a long-past memory, and frankly no longer really socially acceptable in the way it was 20+ years ago - I still fondly look back on the joys of my Mk2 Golf GTI 16V years!! I even did a police roadcraft 2 day course on a motorcycle back then, and the police riders would encourage you on national limit country roads to push on... I doubt they do that anymore. Don't get me wrong, I don't drive/ride fast on public roads - I used to do track days for the thrills and the pleasure of honing my skills.
90% of the time our journeys are well under 100 miles, but we will occasionally do 400 mile round trips to see friends - so that'll be when I'll encounter the hot battery charge-throttling if the software is not updated... apparently you can ask a Nissan dealer to upgrade it, but for some reason the older cars are not automatically updated by dealers. Maybe they changed something in the battery packs for the later 2018 cars...
@@neurojitsu yeah you’ll love it most on roundabouts. People still blissfully unaware of the instant power lol
The cost of charging will rack up as we get nearer to 2030 and road pricing is inevitable unfortunately
Of course. Mother State will need to fund her expenses..
Ye, it's ridiculous. A Portuguese magazine (i live in this socialist "paradise", Portugal) did a test with a Taycan, and it was actually more expensive to "fuel" than a 911. But then again, we are in a Socialist Country.
Not if u charge at home, which most people will do
@@katchaontheflipside . Unless they are off grid and charge their EV by running on a treadmill or whatever, they will have to pay the price set by Mother State and the Big Energy Corp.
The Uk government must have their piece of the ev pie.
I would also like to see someone sit at a recharge station for 45 minutes with 2 kids under 5yrs and see how calming that would be. A long way to go until EV is a viable replacement from what I can see for numerous reasons.
Not everyone makes the decision to have a gang of kids. And not everyone does road trips, many use planes for long distance trips.
Lol I've done it plenty times. We usually watch a show or get out to stretch
@@Charlesbjtown1. two children is not a "gang".
2. Most people do infact have children because it is quite literally the most normal behaviour for humans to do (otherwise we'd have gone extinct a long time ago).
Your comment says more about you than anything else; disconnected from reality.
The problem is the oil companies not investing in EV charging.. they need to use a few of their £billions to improve the situation and make up for all the environmental damage and pollution they have profited from.
Oh and btw, you need to get onto Shell about creating ‘business lounges’ at their service stations to accommodate those of us who will end up covering high business mileage in EV’s. Tables with 3 pin plugs, free fast wifi and some sort of ‘loyalty’ card with discounts on refreshments would be a game changer for those of us stopping to charge on the move 👍🏻
THIS. They’ve been talking for years about doing this and only now appear to be starting to drag themselves along.
all that stuff has to be paid for and cleaned/replaced every few years. Gues who is going to pay for that, we do with inflated electricity prices.
@@tubejorrit it’s an inevitable biproduct I’m afraid. Fossil fuel goes up and comes down and I’m pretty sure we’ll find the same with electric. As a business Shell will have to facilitate the change and try and position themselves at the forefront of the market by offering a ‘destination’ to charge EV’s. I’m no EV warrior btw, but commercially fuel companies are going to have to do something to accommodate the customer waiting 30-45 mins for their car to charge and maximise the profit opportunities that presents. They have always exploited the real estate they posses by inviting franchises like subway and costa to occupy space, maybe now you might see the likes of Regus doing the same 🤷🏻♂️. Ultimately the likes of Starbucks already have a business model that works by enticing people into their premises by offering free wifi and 3 pin plug sockets in return for some custom (an overpriced coffee) and I’m sure the likes of Shell are already well aware of that. They’ll make enough money from you charging the vehicle, buying a coffee and a sandwich and keep you captive by downloading a ‘loyalty’ app without having to worry about the cost of employing someone to wipe down a desk, and fair play to them for doing so. As we know if you put convenience and experience up against cost, convenience and experience will always win hands down.
Aren't these called "coffee shops" LOL? A co-location strategy with a coffee chain would be another way to achieve this, just at petrol stations are partnered with supermarkets...
You should just charge it to 75-80% after that its very slow, so you actually gets quicker to your destination if you just do that. Normally from 5% to 80% takes like 25-30min the last 20% takes also 25-30 min so to be quicker just charge to 80 and go to next charger.
Agree, it would have been more insightful for most viewers if Sam had shown more of the practical considerations and realities of long range EV driving, rather than doing a Shell advert. There is SO much more Sam could have covered that would have shed light on the realities of long range EV driving. Sam casually mentioned a 2.5 hour longer journey due to charging/waiting time... but as you say, the most efficient way to charge an EV is to keep the battery in the 20-80% charged range. Moreover, the charging times of different car models vary wildly... the Leaf is one of the slower-charging cars out there, and whilst it's brilliant (I've just bought one) it is no longer a best-of-breed EV... so Sam might well have put more people off of EVs with this video, which is perhaps Shell's objective???
Whilst it seems like your experience was positive, just look at Shmee’s videos where he’s rocked up at plenty of charging points which have failed to work. You had to wait for one charge point on your return journey for 17 minutes, but you could have been waiting for longer if there was another car there already queuing. Then, you could have gone to another point slightly further along as you suggested, but that could be out of order or have queues there too.
Whilst you said it was advantageous for you to be able to do some work during your two 45 mins periods of charging, surely getting home 2 hours earlier and doing the work at that point would be the same had you been using a petrol or diesel car?
Also, £35k for a Nissan Leaf?! All good and well if you can afford monthly finance payments, but it’s not as if you can go and pick one up for £5k second hand (or any electric car for that matter). So currently they appear to be for people who are better off financially, let alone those who have on street parking or live in flats not being able to really use them as they can’t charge at home.
Sorry Sam, but there’s still a long way to go before I can be converted to buying an electric car.
He will learn what two hours means if he ever decides to have kids.
You can pick up a second hand Leaf for a bout £5-6k. I personally wouldn’t as the Leaf is renowned for not having any battery heat management. I bought my EV for £7k second hand.
So basically you spent 2.5 hours of your day just sitting in your car waiting instead of resting in the comfort of your home. For day-to-day city life, EV's are perfect, but for longer distances, EV's aren't yet ready. I do enjoy your honesty and not sugar coating things.
They are ready you are not
Well a lot of people hate gas prices and smell
@@doddsalfa this is the most ridiculous cope I've read yet, congratulations.
@@anonanon7497 congratulation with your first pc is this your first week on the web?
It's not big deal if your trip is only few times a year!
Still feels to me like EV's are like curved TV's - everyone who has one is excited about them, and says you should get one - then 5 years later they are essentially obsolete
Or a over hyped 3d telly.
In terms of cost, is it actually cheaper? That charger was £0.41/KWH, and the nissan leaf is 62 KWH battery, so its about £25 to charge and cover roughly 200miles? Would it not be better to have a diesel for the meantime in terms of costs?
Trick is to have a home charger when owning an EV. I run my Taycan at 1/8th of the petrol cost on my 911 when at home driving shorter trips not needing to fast charge. On road trips it’s about 50-60% of petrol costs on a 991. It’s much more
comfortable and in most circumstances just a better choice.
If you only use fast chargers, yes. But if you use home or destination chargers it's way less expensive. I do longer trips and I charge about 1/3 on fast chargers.
@@philhartley7564 soon as people cross to ev government will loose huge tax income from fuel which is about 70% per litre so they'll shove that cost to electric so i don't consider energy cost. Yes overnight off peak charges will be cheaper always as most people live in apartments flats or terraced housing or homes that dont allow you to park outside so demand will always be low overnight at home so youll save charging there. But they just need to install fast chargers like the 250kw more so even someone who cant home charge can rely on public to keep topped up
@@cephasmakuzva I don't dispute that the costs will rise through more expensive electricity, road charging etc. The government will have to replace all the duties that we currently pay on fuel, road tax and so on and that will have to come from the EV users as take up increases. For sure, long term, EV will become more expensive but that would apply to any fuel source that we end up using, not just electricity. Otherwise, the government have to raise taxes, reduce services or both and that is unlikely to happen for political reasons (except, perhaps, the reduce services bit). Whichever way you look at, we (the public) pay for these things just by different methods at different times. Having said that, in the short term, EV use is most likely cheaper (and sometimes substantially so) and that is likely to remain (IMO) for 3 to 5 years - after that it is anyones guess. I'm not sure "most" people live in apartments or terraced houses but regardless, on street charging is becoming more prevalent - it will take time but it has started. A get deal depends on your driving profile, a friend of mine just bought an EV, he does around 8k miles a year and could charge from home, if he had off street parking but he doesn't, - instead he charges while he is shopping, once week, it's enough.
In my experience, yes it is. I run an eTron 55 which replaced my petrol Discovery Sport. The eTron is not a particularly efficient EV but nether was the Discovery Sport an efficient petrol SUV. Comparing like with like, if I charge off peak, the EV costs around 1.9p per mile, the LR 24p per mile, at standard rate electricity the EV costs 5.7p per mile, the LR 24p per mile, at a public charger the EV costs around 14p per mile, the LR 24p per mile. I have assumed supermarket petrol costs but bear in mind that the public chargers I use are on the motorway, where petrols is around 80p per gallon more than the supermarket so the LR would be more like 27p per mile.Most of my trips are around 500 miles which, in the EV is 40% cheap rate £3.85 and rapid charges at £42.00, total £45.85 v the LR at £120.00. I calculate that the most expensive journeys in anEV cost around 35% of the cost of the LR. That is worst case. I do 200 mile trips from home, that cost me £3.80, where it would have cost £48 in the LR. OK, so you could have a diesel Golf, or something like that but you'd compare that with an ID3 for example to get like for like. Your example shows the absolute worst case and to equal the cost of the EV, your diesel car would have to do 52mpg but don't forget, that is the worst case scenario and there are (if you can off street park) plenty of opportunities to charge for a LOT less. 200 miles in the etron, charging from home would cost me £3.80 compared with the 50mpg diesel at £25.
Loved the funky EV music on this video. You always nail the tunes
Soon all car YT videos will be about charging while eating chips to calm the range anxiety.
I wish I had any car to use as an excuse for the chips I'm about to buy.
@@Cloxxki . lol
Range anxiety is a load of bollocks, do you ever worry about your MPG tumbling down as you go along? Nope - it’s no different
@@Manofsteel8640 . He had range anxiety in this video. But that's "a load of bollocks" You better stop watching his videos then.
@@Memovox it’s nonsense. I’ve had an EV for 3 months, few long range road trips, London way, into Wales.. not once has it been a concern - have you ever had range anxiety in a petrol car? All the same arguments all the time.
He’s exclusively using Shell stations here but if he went up the M1-M6 there’s over 40 he could’ve potentially stopped at - even says it himself.
Also ChaDeMo is rubbish compared to the Type 2
Bit of advise, when you pull up to a charging station..... plug in first, then go to initiate the charge. That way if there is a connection issue, it may offer you a free charge and not payment required!!!
So Sam what was the total cost of your 450 mile return trip to Amari from London? Presumably you left with a full charge? So the £35 cost of charging twice was only for one leg. Are we meant to assume therefore that the real cost was over £70 for the return trip? Surely a 320d could have done that for a lower cost (emissions arguments aside).
As Volvo have said, it'll be at least 7 years to offset the emissions impact of building an EV.
Filling up at home is 3-5£’s depending on battery size.
@@Nord_Mann ok that’s fine if you can charge at home, but what about the cost of charging at a public charger in London before you depart?
@@andrewhurstcars if you have an EV and live in a house with a driveway, you would usually fully charge at home beforehand. So no need to pay for another public charger before you depart.
@@kevins718 yes for sure, but most people in London do not have a driveway.
Sam I just wanted you to know I worked in the Nissan dealer network for 12 years, I know what a Leaf is like to live with and I have no interest in a long range Leaf test, but here I am watching all of, and ‘liking’ it, purely in support of you and your work. Keep it up 👍🏻
£35 on electricity, you’ll be packing your own snacks and magazines next time to keep costs down…
Jimmy Kucero, for sure. Not very economical not to mention the time sitting about and the hope the charger wasn’t faulty, will stick to suck-squeeze-bang-blow for the time being. £35. what a rip off
You know Sam if you want you could drive your petrol car and stop in a petrol station for 40 minutes and edit your videos. It will only require 5 minutes if that 40 minutes to actual refuel but at least you can get the work done.
That excuse ‘I have the gift if time’ is called positive spin.
A petrol car is less comfortable (because of more sound ) , more expensive to run and has a worse acceleration . Of course something like a Ferrari 812, Porsche GT3 or a Huracan STO is much more emotional and fun but is a BMW X3 M40i too ? I think an elctric car is the perfect car to drive as a daily next to one or two petrol-powered sportscars to drive for fun. But without a opportunity to charge your car at home or at work it doesn't really make sense, that is still problematic.
I have a problem with the need for all electric cars to charge with the car facing forwards which takes far more room than a normal fuel station where the car is refuelled from the side
99.9% of the time EV owners charge at home while they’re asleep and never spend a single minute of their week at a gas station or charging station.
@@craigcampbell1843 you are assuming that everybody has off road parking but unfortunately they do not
@@peterkirton4580 you can also charge your EV while you’re at work. Most people that have EVs also have jobs. The only time charging an EV is even a minor inconvenience is when you’re on a road trip out of town which almost no one does on a daily or even weekly basis. Even then I don’t consider it an inconvenience because I like to stop every couple hours and get some food and stretch and use the bathroom anyway. The rest of the time an EV is much more convenient than a gas car that requires special trips to gas stations
Just letting you know: Tesla has it (free) supercharger network, multi stations at each location. Rarely a que. And it tells you on your way to this Tesla super charger how manny there are, how manny in use in live feed. So you can change to different charger location when the one you are traveling to is bussy.
In short: do the same trip but take a Tesla (long range) and compare to any EV and you will know the difference
Yes but unfortunately you have to put up with Tesla US build quality.
As a tesla model 3 owner i know the build quality is indeed very poor.. but in terms of range tesla is sooo much better then the leaf. Super charging isnt free anymore
Apart from early Model S and, possibly, Model X, the Tesla Supercharger is NOT free
This is so much better then “DRIVING A NISSAN LEAF TILL THE BATTERY DIES” or something like that kind of video. Don’t like EV’s, definitely don’t like a Nissan Leaf. Yet, you had me interested the whole video Sam!
Brought a 500e 2 months ago after an having a Abarth 595 Comp. it’s a different experience - more about managing the battery like Sam said in the video - but I love it, cabin is quiet, comfortable 0-30 is 3 secs, plenty of pep on the M-Ways. Longer journeys take a little planning but apps like ZapMap really help - cost also depends on where you fill up really.
Charged up at a BP Pulse station the other day 20-100% (161 miles) £12.37 = Happy days.
I'd question that 161 mile charge as the wltp is only 199 miles and that's in perfect road conditions
Good video. Have had a Tesla for a couple years and have to say the experience is quite a bit different (better).
Excellent Sam for doing these type of videos I like to say Iam petrol head at ❤ but owed first gen leaf 🍃 few years back and there a great entry 🚗 for most people 👍and I have another no problem 😊 keep up the good videos 👍
Its kinda sneaky how the government first offered free charging, and now it's starting to come at a cost. That and its not promising if you plan to keep the car for more than 5 years.
Don't be naive, a child of five would have predict that.
It's not sneaky. Government exists to rob you. If the Green Utopia comes to fruition then we're going to be paying more for electricity than we've ever paid for petrol.
@@RAZGR1Z Acting green, it won't reduce CO2 in the long run compared with modern petrol cars, it wil costs us a fortune, some companies/people will make a lot of money 💰
The entire EV hype was a bait and switch from the start. It wont be long before pay per mile is introduced and electric prices start ramping up, to cope with sudden massive demand (due to mass adoption) and to recoup lost fuel taxes. People cannot see the wood for the trees.
Love your work Sam and I know sponsored content is important but, for me, this felt too cynical a sales pitch for Shell and not your real opinion. You're a stand-out TH-camr for your honesty, I hope this isn't the start of it being diluted.
More (honest) EV content would be interesting though!
Love your regular work mate 👍
Yes, this was definitely a Shell greenwashing video... that central London 'new concept charging station' is the only one in the country with no clear plans for any more. Shell, like all the other oil companies, have been dragging their feet, underinvesting, and even are accused of lobbying to slow down EV adoption. Sam didn't help his own personal brand with this video, as all this greenwashing is such common knowledge now.
Nice to see you trying longer journeys etc in your EV. I don’t know if it was passed onto you by Shell but most EVs have a charge curve. That means that the higher the charge, the less speed you get. Most of them usually tail off at around 80 percent and the last 20 takes much much longer. You could save a lot of time by stopping more often but charging until it ramps down. I’d massively recommend checking out Kyle Connor on Out of Spec motoring as he road trips across America in EVs and is an advocate for this method 👍
I'd recommend having a petrol car and not having to needlessly faff around but each to their own.
Kyle Connor does the same in Europe, especially in Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway for now the second year in the row, each European stint lasting a month. The difference is in Europe he does not complin about failed attempts to charge like it happens outside Tesla network in the USA.
@@anonanon7497On continental Europe it is faster and more convenient to take fast electric train which could make possible that trip hours ahead vs driving an internal combustion car.
If you think of how many thousands of people fill their tank each day, imagine the sheer volume of charging points to cope with that demand and the time cost too. I can’t see either people running cables from their houses to wherever they may park their car. Also the amount of energy needed to cope with country wide demand would be immense. I just cant see at this moment how this will work for the masses for decades unless there is a massive technological leap.
If we all got up tomorrow and all of us had ev’s this Country Would reduce CO2 By 1%.and Lithium batterys are not eco friendly.
It's all rubbish, let us all boycot EV's.
As several others have commented - do the same trip in a long range or performance Tesla ..... night and day - faster charging and no waiting - but fair play for giving it a go.
The cheapest model Tesla costs as much as luxury SUVs in most places, this is more realistic. The model S costs over 120k Canadian here for the base model and 170k for model S plaid. Model 3, the cheapest option, starts at 67k. That’s 20k more than fully loaded SUVs. Add 13% sales tax (in my province) onto that and our low Canadian wages (senior engineers make 80k) and nobody is choosing a Tesla over a Nissan.
It would be really cool if they could eventually update the apps to have live updates if somebody is actively using the charge station to avoid waiting and questioning to drive to a different one to just have the same problem.
My understanding is that some apps do have this: Zap-Maps has this information for example for some of the charging networks, but not all of them. I'm about to pick up my first EV next week, and so I found that Pod Point is the most prevalent network in my area and so I just have to choose apps that have good Pod Point information. It seems different apps are partnered with different charging networks, and there is no regulation requiring standardisation and free open access to this sort of information, at least not yet...
I agree that the whole waiting experience could be better designed. There's no reason in this day and age that charge networks couldn't implement app-based queuing systems, with alerts and waiting time estimates. This would considerably help those waiting to use their time well, or decide whether to wait or move on and leave the queue.
Liquid Hydrogen please over electricity. Sam, you need to go and interview JCB in the UK about then developing and running their earthmoving equipment with Liquid Hydrogen. Harry’s Garage did a great interview with them a few months ago.
The key is to use the time whilst charging to your benefit, you got home later but less work to do once home .
Found this extraordinarily useful, as I bought my first EV two days ago and I’m yet to charge it…👍
Get a home charger. Then EV life’s e breeze. What Sam did wrong here, was not charging when at Amari. Always be charging when stationary. Good luck with your EV ownership. Which model btw?
So you bought an EV but had to watch a YT video afterwards to understand it..?
Seems legit..
@@Memovox I’ve seen thousands of YT videos of both EV’s and ICE before/after getting an ICE or an EV. What’s you’re point? One can pick up a great deal of tips on YT, especially on new to many tech like EV. My sister just got an e-Up! and I’m regularly sending here YT videos to educate here on EV life
@@Nord_Mann . Yes, and you have posted about your life more than once now..
So in your experience; what's the downside(s) with living with an EV?
@@Nord_Mann Just a little 50kwh Zoe for the moment and as a first step, because I’m taking early retirement In a couple of weeks, so it more than meets my needs for the moment. Haven’t got a home charger just yet but it’s in process, with the survey being done Wednesday next week. No particular hardship till then however, as my local Tesco (1 mile away) currently has a free to use 22kw charger. So most of my charging will be there till they decide to swap to payment. Currently still at 80% after only doing about 40 miles, so I’ll wait till it’s about 50% (2-3 weeks?) before I give it a go. Expect I’ll have my home charger by then too 🤣
1:31 interesting green roller in the background.
£35 and 2.5 hours extra travel time? That’s crazy. How do people think the electricity is generated to charge these EV’s… I know the likes of Tesla offer some solar powered charger but the majority of this electricity is generated through normal means.
Fair video I was surprised to find. Much of your issues were because of only using Shell and Leafs using Chademo which is slow.
Our longer trips are a lot easier as we have CCS that goes up to 170kw which is 3 times faster.
Well done for using the ‘downtime’ to do stuff as that is pretty normal for EVers. With our faster charging speed we often find we only have enough time for a bathroom break and getting a coffee…so still no time for emails!
My uncle has been trialing an Audi etron for his business, and tried to drive it down to Devon from the midlands. The experience was so bad, that's he's getting rid of it 🤣 Has to sit on the motorway with everything turned off to conserve range, all of the fast chargers were broken, and there's pretty much no EV chargers in that part of the country.
Very optimistic trip experience in the Leaf, Sam. Thank you, very much.
Interesting, and I understand this was a deal with Shell - but probably would have had better results with a) a better car maybe a little bit more expensive but capable of faster charging, like the Kona/Niro/Enyaq/ID3+4; and b) if you weren't limited to just Shell chargers, you would likely have found others that were empty rather than waiting specifically for space at Shell.
Where's your product placement on the TH-cam video I don't see it
Great video Sam. EV’s are far too expensive and the range isn’t enough yet. Hydrogen is the way to go I think.
How much is 1 kg of hydrogen?
bit of a puff piece Sam. Could have discussed costs of electricity and using the app to understand if the plug you’re aiming for is in use. this highlights perfectly the two issues. waiting to charge and waiting while charging. both issues will be resolved with solid state batteries and better use of existing real estate to provide multiple charge points. not sure how happy the grid will be at the ground level though. lot of cabling needed in the ground still. or better yet, every point has to be renewable, independent and have a battery storage capacity.
Absolute fantasy.
A more positive review than i thought as an ev driver. Sounds like issues were more because of being tied to shell network, particularly having to queue..
Great video. Keep up the good work.
While charging infrastructure is not a problem where I live. I drive up to Thurso, Scotland quite regularly and the infrastructure is not there in that region. I'll stick with my petrol engine for the time being until things have improved.
I have a 2018 smart fortwo eletric, its just perfect for me, small, fast enough actually, the range is only between 70/90miles but its a city car, i just get at home and charge it up during the night like the smartphone and it gives me 3 days without worries.
One thing to note, Sam. I noticed you had your e-pedal turned off. (3:28) If you flick the gear knob into "B", you'll activate e-pedal, which means you have one-pedal driving and maximum energy recovery when you fully lift off the accelerator. It's a must when driving in town, you probably would have gotten more out of the LEAF. Never mind, we're all learning to use EVs. Really like the LEAF (which actually stands for Leader of Environmentally-friendly Affordable Family-cars).
I have a Polestar 2. Same experience like you Just requires a bit more planning. Done LA to Vegas and it was a doodle. Love My EV!
The thumbnail though 😂 don't be THAT sceptical Sam haha
How are you so chipper at the end of the day... I did a 12hr day and I was dead haha! Safe travels. MORE EV STUFF!!
Shell recharge didn't work for me, the one time I tried it in Nevada... worst and never again.
Ps, I drive a Nissan leaf w 40kW battery, only 150 miles of range. I don't have anxiety, I have charger anxiety!
Couldn't they integrate into the app if the charge points are occupied or not? Then you dont stop somewhere that is already occupied?
Infomercial for shell and Nissan.
This feels like an overlong Shell advert - make sure you're not being used for greenwash. I wouldn't pay £35K for a Leaf, BTW - but I just picked up a Mk1Gen2 with 50K miles on the clock for
*I'd rather take my 30 year old BMW and I'm willing to bet that using my car and keeping it going for 30 years is way better for the planet than an EV. Just ask Volvo!*
Nothing is gained with that utopia.
You are right, we will be forced in to EV's though, I don't want one, and electric charging wil be as expensive as petrol when more people are forced in to buying one.
The waiting time while charging is terrible, I think hybrids are more practical.
Imagine you are in an ambulance......😁
Good news. By the time I'm forced to use an EV it'll be a hearse!
How reliable is your 30 yo BMW? Not everyone can fix and repair their own cars. By the time they are done paying on repairs of an old BMW, they may as well buy a new more reliable vehicle.
@@noblekitty I use it every day for a 30 mile commute in all weathers and it has yet to let me down. The total mileage is 207K miles and it drives as well today as it ever did. It's serviced annually (by a local garage) and parts are cheap and readily available. Just because a car is old it doesn't automatically mean it's unreliable.
Coincidentally I used a Nissan Leaf (belonging to my employer) the other day and the smaller of the 2 batteries it has failed and left me stranded. I couldn't even move the thing out of the way because it couldn't engage drive or whatever. Pushing it, towing it and bump starting it weren't options and I had to wait for a transporter to take it back to Nissan. Thankfully I drove home in my old 535i.
Amusing to see the time lapse while charging, to see all those liquid fuel cars arriving for a refill, then going in the very short time. Just image if every one was electric (each 'pump' being electric) - how long would the queue be!
Miles,it will be like the recent petrol "shortage"
Not really. There is home charging, community charging where you can use someone else' s home charger and also charging in other businesses that are not fuel stations. This reduces the customer base greatly.
How would you be in the rain, would your Visa card work OK on a wet surface? Shell don't cover these charge points nor install overhead lights like on the petrol forecourt. EV remains an after thought to Shell
Hello 'Sam' , a BIG tip, when driving a 'E' vehicle make sure you switch off the 'interior light' in day light !!! Regards, RichardA.
They should add a comfy seating area to the shop to make it more relaxing. It would also be great if you could book a charger before you got there to plan better. Great video, sounds like you should get a Leaf
Hi Sam, really liking this new sort of Video style, keep it up! When is the new F-Type coming because you have said so many times you are on the hunt for it.
£35k for a Nissan Leaf. I paid £39k for my C205 C63 with 20k miles
You made the right choice.
Brand new vs depreciated.
@@currentaf8455 obviously
I've got a Leaf. Driven then since they first came out. I think driving an EV is excellent. BUT, its not for everyone.
For the wife's commute and weekend trips it's great and so cheap to run. We've even been to Belgium in it with no issues. As an alternative it's a good option but i don't think it should be forced on everyone.
I also have an 11 year old Volvo with 134k miles on, and to those who say these old cars run like new and are problem free, i would really doubt that this is true.
The power stations should have a readout everyone can see without having to go up close to it.
The amount of inconvenience people will willingly accept for the feeling of have made a difference.
I'm in the market for a car and I have to say I'm 50/50 on whether to buy an EV or gas vehicle. After watching this, I'm now fairly certain I"ll be sticking with gas. The range on EV's needs to be in the 1,000 of miles per charge and it should only take a few minutes to charge as well. Once that happens I'll switch over.
One question for me that really shows the gap between where we are today and where we need to be in terms of infrastructure is during the time you were sat charging, or waiting to charge, how many folks in ICE vehicles visited the same site to fill up with fuel. Appreciate that it’s never going to move in such a dramatic way but even to get to 10% of all vehicles being EV’s then there’s still a massive challenge to realise this.
They could improve the app showing if a charging point is being usued or not or even the % of the battery of the car is charging if it is being usued!
Charging points need to ramp up 1000 percent or this will never work. Also why are the charging points never under cover?
Sam, you did say it
"Buy into this ideology"
Frankly it's not there yet. Personally it should sit alongside ICE power, as there is a need to not make waste of existing vehicles.
4:11 When he pulls in at the fuel station and it is only 136.9 at Shell FFS, that's some Narnia shit. £2/L now. Insane this is less than a year ago
Just checked with Shell, they are now 85p a KWh. That's a rip.
A good hybrid is definitely the car for the next few years and by then the charge network will hopefully be country wide not just around cities and motorways
We had exactly this dilemma, and just decided to go EV rather than hybrid. We wanted a car that would actually be usable as an EV for short journeys, which really narrows it down. Most hybrids have virtually no EV range, as the electric engine is mainly used to boost acceleration efficiency.
We considered a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, which has 20-30 mile pure electric range which is enough for our school and shopping runs day to day leaving just longer runs being hybrid. I've had my eye on this hybrid for years, as it has a Co2 emmisions figure of 40g, making road tax just 10 pounds a year and you can avoid the upcoming ULEZ congestion charges etc. However, the outlander achieves its best MPG for journeys under 107 miles - ie above that, it starts to use more fuel than the equivalent diesel Outlander. So in practice, this means it needs regular charging on longer trips, if you want the fuel consumption to beat a diesel, which means you'd have to drive it like an EV with about 100 mile range!
I appreciate there are newer hybrids that might perform better than this, but all hybrids have the same 'design flaw' that they can only achieve their best fuel efficiency with the battery charged up. And very few hybrids have good pure EV range.
So we just decided to go for an EV: the Nissan leaf actually, a Tekna 40kwh model with about 140 mile range (second hand, so a little bit of battery degradation reduces the range from a new car's approximate 150 mile range).
Sam, Spending “time on the road” to take a break while on the road to download your video is only displacing the time you’d still be in your home or office downloading your video… sitting at a power station for 45+ minutes is not getting the point A to B done. It’s taking you away from your time worth more.
And … ask yourself what is the original source of energy powering that noisy generator that’s plugged into your EV supposedly saving the world and environment?
He is still being productive, that's the main thing. Plus, after the break, he would feel more refreshed to focus on the remaining part of the long journey. Look, I'm as much a "petrolhead" who loves V8s and V12s as much as the next guy, but I really enjoy learning about and being around EVs. Sam's experience in the LEAF can only be good news going forward, cheaper EVs could finally become useable for long-distance driving.
@@magnustan841 True to your point however, at what environmental cost are the charging stations worth. And, the big question is, what is the longevity of the whole EV package worth VS economical petrol? How long does it last and what economic and environmental impact does it have after it is “used up”?
@@kana4114 We don't have all the answers for sure. Anyway, petrol isn't completely clean. You have the manufacturing and material sourcing emissions when making a combustion engine, then the big one, refining crude oil into petrol, which is massively dirty. How about distributing fossil fuel, too? That requires diesel trucks and the recent situation in the UK highlighted a potential downside when there is a shortage of drivers.
To be fair, having an electric car all depends on your needs. Like I do mostly city driving with the odd long road trip here and there and it’s perfect for my needs - My car takes 35 minutes 20-100 - By the time you’ve gone for a pee, had something to eat and grabbed a coffee you’ve easily killed 30 minutes. Sam’s stopping at Shell stations here so it’s not really a true picture of what you’d do… also shell can be quite expensive per Kw
if you look at Polestar they’ve published a report looking at the carbon footprint of their cars… and their impact. Obviously because we rely on natural gas more here the car has to be driven further for it to be a net zero car. Drive it in sweden/Norway and it works out to be cleaner.
It’s not perfect, but it’s a start.
@@magnustan841 so you think people (who have jobs, lives etc) would want to sit around at a service station for hours in order for their car to charge?
Please just admit that the tech isnt ready yet.
Remember that EV's are still evolving and the range with improving battery technology will get better. The current cars are very good, even the short range MK1 versions are still good. Very reliable cheaper to own and you cannot stall them.
Battery tech isnt improving.
Are there any unbiased reviews on TH-cam these days. It’s ALL about sponsorship and it’s tedious, really tedious.
What a shame Sam that your first electric road trip was in a Leaf, it has one of the slowest charging speeds and shortest ranges. I would love you to try the BMW iX3. Much quicker charging speeds and range plus an engine soundtrack made by Hans Zimmer! (preparing for hate messages)
Turning a 5 hr round trip into an 8 hour one 👍
The infrastructure will never cope with this type of journey
There will be too many cars in the queue
You'll be waiting all day
I have bought an EV last week and only now know what range anxiety is and also ZAPMAP shows charging points but quite a lot of them are out of service or are in use. It does say when you click on the pin drop that the charging point is not working but in North London I'd say out of 30 maybe 10 are not working. As for Shell I went to one in Muswell Hill and it would not let me tap and charge, it stated on the machine I had to download their App to engage the connectors. Unless Shell have a tie in with certain car brands I don't know but it definitely was not like your experience shown here. I think the only way to go is getting a home charger, plus I noticed the Shell charger was the most expensive of all so far at 41 kwh. It all seems unregulated with random prices, some have a £1.80 add on fee as well and some take a pre payment off your card but if it's broken the payment is obviously refunded but not for a few days and that means you cannot use that money either
Now we know to pick up autocar if we want next weeks behind the glass top ten list spoiled 😉 another great video!
I don’t know how the price of fuel is there, but in the US you could probably do the same distance for under $35 in fuel with a 2021 Prius.
Junction 16 I see for the second charge! I use that for my EV, pretty reliable but agree we do need faster chargers to save that wait you had, albeit a small one!
I really like the fact that this is an honest video. There are clearly drawbacks to owning an “affordable” EV as of now. Especially for people who do longer distances. In a few years I don’t see this being an issue though.
Great video Sam!
For an occasional 500 mile trip it would work out.
Why not look at scene on the charger?
EVs are just pricing those on lower incomes out of the market. About £35k is not an entry level car, £14k is. Unless public transport improves massively between now and 2035, of which I remain sceptical, most people won’t be able to afford a new EV, so will turn to used ICE cars and pay however much fuel costs then. Which doesn’t lead to much of a carbon reduction
I really think they should have numbered bays for queuing up to avoid any confusion
I love how people are comparing the young EV market to gas cars that have been around and improved improved over a 100 years. Don't worry, it won't be long until you don't have a choice.
Yup, back in the back you had to find a Chemist that had Petrol.
we have a choice here in Australia. Power your car by oil or coal. That's one reason why EVs are slow in the take up. very little environmental advantage and the ones that run on coal are expensive to buy by comparison
@@allomony4010 well if I didn’t read up on it, I wouldn’t have believed it. I never even knew coal was a thing for fuel. Interesting
@@michaelj7069 I am not sure that you understood my comment. Since electricity in Australia is largely generated by coal, those who choose to drive EV vehicles are causing much more environmental damage then they realise,
@@allomony4010 🤷🏻♂️ made sense to me. What didn’t I get?
Can you take one to Monaco next time you go, the rest will be back home before you even get there.
Wouldn't it be nice if the app would tell you that there is already someone at the charger you're planning on visiting? And perhaps even give a suggestion to visit a different charger? Seems doable with the connected nature of technology.
This definitely makes sense
£35 for charging. Think you glossed over that a bit.
What sort of prices were you paying for the charging? 15%-80% cost how much? Etc. Thanks for the interesting content!
Great video. I, for one, was an early EV adopter, only to come back to combustion engines a year later. I wasn't happy to do so, but it simply didn't make it for me.
As you mentionned, infrastructures are still to be built. Where I live in Canada, which is in the country, infrastructures are mediocre at best. So I ended up, more times than I would've love to, plugging the car on a 110V plug, in a generous person's driveway, to just make it back home.
During harsh Quebec winters, autonomy drops faster than Norwich City in the standings (that's a soccer reference for you in the UK).
So all-in-all, unfortunately, we're still not there for my own personnal needs. But yes, as Sam mentionned, EVs are evolving so fast that in a year, i'd probably be on the market to buy a new one.
Its the same for parts of the US as well.
Secondary roads have almost no chargers.
Sam, how much did it cost to recharge? Major relevant information of interest! Thanks
What about the cost of changing the battery in a few years. An IC engine will work forever, but in a few years time we will be dumping huge car batteries without sufficient infra for recycling them.
Ah that myth. Mine is 7 years old and has 95% battery life.
There are loads of EV's out there still going strong with over 100k miles, with 10% degradation at most. Most car manufacturers have a warranty up to 100k miles and 8 years.
the leaf is not too bad. about 7k and an hours work to change.
Dude was saying he had range anxiety... and has the e-pedal off so he gets the least possible regen..
Main problem with this video is thinking that 500 miles round trip is long road trip.
Interesting video. Just curious if you’d feel the same if you had a journey to the very south tip of Cornwall. Looking on the Shell map they have one recharge station in the middle of Cornwall. Hopefully more are planned soon 👍
Why do the electric charge points not have cover ? If it’s raining you’re gonna get wet ?!
Some do, they have solar panels on the roof to charge up storage batteries used from crashed EV’s
Shell ripping people off with over priced electric what a surprise from shell it doesn't change
The acceleration is addictive in these EVs . I think its all down to planning until infrastructure is up amd running .