we have a 40kw 2020 model. best car i've ever owned. i have driven non stop since 1980. if u need a car to do 100 miles in a day and can charge at night on ya drive just buy one. as quiet as a rolls royce and handles on the road superbly. we love ours and will drive it untill it dies
40kwh Tekna here. Amazing solid reliable car. Ok it doesn't have CCS but as a 2nd car doing my 50 mile daily commute and running the kids around here there and everywhere it's perfect. It is supposed to be a 2nd car to my other half's diesel SUV but it turns out my LEAF does 18k miles a year and the SUV is now lucky to do 4k miles a year.
I bought a 2018 loaded LEAF in excellent condition. Got a great deal and I love it. Never ICE again. I'm not a tree hugger, love tech and charging at home for very little cost. My electric costs have not changed or changed so little I can't observe the difference.
I’ve had a 40kwh Tekna for the past 2 years and as an everyday car it’s absolutely amazing . Air con, hot seats front and rear , heated steering wheel .adaptive cruise, lane keep , cross traffic alert , blind spot warning , 360 camera , full leather interior . Plenty off room inside and big boot . What more do you want for £10k ?
Battery health on the 40 can be seen in one of the menus in the instrument display, a horizontal white bar with 12 segments equivalent to the separate bars on the Mk1.
Love my leaf, just purchased it from the lease company and its one best cars I have had, no problems and cheap to run, how can you lose when you save £2500 pa on 10000 miles/ my battery is 3 year old but has hardly degraded its still pretty like new.
There is loads of Chademo around still, you're good for 3-5 years I reckon. Leaf Mark 2 (especially in Tekna) is a LOT of car for the money. 40Kwh will be 140-160 miles real-world, which matches published figures quite well. Space is good, drives well (smooth/quiet), loads of safety tech, 5 star NCAP (unlike 0 star Zoe). Lots of low-mileage ones around from car supermarkets. We got ours from Cinch, who are brilliant. Serious value at around £13k imo. Styling is subjective naturally, but in the flesh it's actually pretty alright. Go for the 69 plate (2020) onwards to get the upgraded entertainbment system - pre 2020 models had a much smaller screen.
Great video, the love a lot of people clearly have for the leaf seems to keep values high for what they are. The Zoe seems to give more second hand bang for buck. Keep the second hand videos comming.
I've just brought a used 62KWH leaf (an upgrade from our original 24KWH UK built leaf) as the price different from a 40KWH car was minimal for the extra range/functionality (for our use case). While the leafs generally get looked down on (as a sub optimal car) as there are so many great cars from other manufactures available on the used marked (especially the Ioniqs) we really love it and its evolution from the original car (and full feature set) made it a no brainer for us. Yes CCS and faster charging would always be nice, but the chademo socket allows us to take part in Indra's V2H trial - and having the car power the house (which isn't yet available from any CCS car) was a massive positive for the leaf.
I did buy 2 years ago, fantastic ok the range is a bit limited but 95% of the time I don't even have to think about charging. Just plug in when I get home. Saved a fortune in fuel.
Couple of corrections. You can get a gen2 leaf with light interior, it was an option to purchase but they’re V rare. The parking brake on gen2 leaf (late 2013 >) is a foot brake to action not a hand brake. The 24kWh pack will degrade less than a 30 kWh pack so worth considering over a 30kWh.
Bought a 3 year old Leaf a couple months ago for £8,500 from a nissan dealer with 3 years nissan warranty. Love it. It's such a joy to drive. Bargain and I like the look of it.
I haven't had a look at the prices for Leaf 40/62kwh for some time, as I've been thinking about getting a cheap leaf (24kwh) but these prices are very good! A private sale would get me nervous though, I always think you'll get some reassurance with a dealer warranty. The price for the £12k 62kwh (I think about 58kwh usable) in the video looks interesting, although there is a Kona available at the moment for £2k more with a genuine 64kwh battery, CCS 70kw charging and no rapid gate!
Thanks for the review. Yes, the prices have cooled off a bit over the last 9 to 12 months. I bought a used 2019 LEAF SL PLUS (62kWh battery) last spring for $27,000 USD here in the states. It was offered by a Nissan dealership 5 hours away as a certified used car. The price might sounds worse than it was because it is a loaded SL with most available options including leather and had been garage kept for it's 3 1/2 years in New York City and only had 6,998 miles on it. The first year and a half it was in dealer showrooms during the height of the Covid pandemic and the next two leased by a local resident that had a garage. The shipping protective film is still on the alloy wheels complete with the "Peel here" labels still in place. I bought this before I knew about the CCS / Tesla being the primary fast chargers found and being installed here in the states but not sure that would have changed my decision. That is because I bought the LEAF to replace a Nissan Vera hatchback I had been using exclusively as my run around town car for 9 years and the Leaf still fits that criteria perfectly since I charge at home anyway. However, now that I have it and I do enjoy driving it on longer trips too I do look forward to the CCS to CHAdeMO adapters becoming more available and hopefully more reasonably priced. That should reduce the range anxiety I have experience a few times on longer trips due to CHAdeMO unavailability.
The foot operated parking brake may put off some people. Surely a bigger battery will be less stressed over it's life than a small one needing to be charged frequently, so I'd go for the biggest i can afford. I understood Zoe's used their air con unit to control battery temperature, so are not passive as you said.
the foot parking brake is definitely not mainstream, but after using it I personally found I really liked it. our new 62KWH car has replaced it with an e-brake - and while this works perfectly fine, if I had a magic wand I'd definitely replace the e-brake for the foot brake.
Passive thermal management is only part of the problem. Mk 1 Leaf battery chemistry is crap. My 35.8 kWh e-Golf is 5 years old and lost 8% capacity after 60,000 miles in SF Bay Area. It has lost 1% since 20,000 miles on odometer. VW specified robust Samsung SDI cells for the e-Golf.
The Chademo would put me off, had a Tekna back in 2014, cracking car, lousy range so the 62Kwh battery would be for me and it would have to be a Tekna to get all the toys as I would be thinking of its future resale value and in a few years time 500 mile ranges will be the expected norm so something that could do around 200 miles would still sell. Loved our Tekna though but charging away from home was a nightmare back in the day although there were plenty of free DC chargers about and little in the way of queue’s. Once went from Halifax to Dover and return using ecotricity , no issues at all and all for free !
The thing with Chademo is that it supports V2G/H from day 1. I’m waiting for Indra V2H to be installed, allowing me to tap into the ~17 kWh usable capacity on my 2014 Leaf. If V2H works well, we’ll upgrade to a 40 kWh. I would be specifically looking for a Chademo car (a Leaf). No CCS car currently support V2G/H. As you said, Leaf is gateway into EV for many. In 2017 I got a 24kWh 2014 as experiment and love everything about EV’s. We now run this Leaf for school runs and Model Y for long trips.
@@geiiger I’m not much of video presenting person…. My V2H has been installed. Works well, Leaf functions as home battery when at home. So we plug it in whenever we are at home.
Sadly the small capacity batteries will deep cycle more and degrade faster. You prompted me to have a look at what is available on the used market, quite tempting to pick up a tired one as a project.
I've been looking at these too, nice to see prices getting to reasonable levels at last. Personally I fancy a 62kwh but not at 17k and not at 130k miles odd so I'll keep looking.
It's worth noting that the 62kWh version doesn't just have a bigger battery. It also has a 50% more powerful motor! So you'll be travelling further and quicker on each charge.
Great video thank you. I've recently become interested in getting a used leaf as a replacement for my ever dependable mondeo. My main concerns are because I dont have ANY ability to home charge and there are no chargers at work. I would be solely public charging , so the chademo charging standard is a concern . I do about 120ish miles a week commuting then probably about another 50-60 miles running around out of work hours. Given my budget I'd be looking at a mid condition 30kw mk1 or very rough 40kw mk2 (I prefer the looks of the mk2 personally) I dont know any body in my social circle with an ev. So I would be taking a 5-8k "leap of faith" and hoping I could make a used leaf work for me. How do people get on with public charging mid age leafs? Roughly how much would it cost to do the 10%-80% charge? Sorry for the long comment. Much love and have great day.
I think yours is the case where a pure electric car doesn`t make sense, if I were you, I`d be looking for a petrol hybrid only buy an EV or a PHEV if, at some point, you can sort out home charging otherwise you`d be paying 10 times more for fuel than the rest of us
I bought a 2021 Leaf for 17990. In my area, I save 1,799 in registration taxes and 4k in a tax rebate up to 16k, so approx 12k in real price. There are only 3 cars 2021 or newer for less than 18k in my area. I wish I would've purchased the larger battery for longer trips, but I should be able to make it to my vacation property with one stop.
I wrote my 2017 leaf of this year and was given £5500 from my insurance so great deal I then purchase a 2020 leaf with a battery health of 95% for £ 8300 like new so great deal
As of today in the uk (my area) its 85p per kwh to charge your electric vehicle, for the range topper leaf (62kwh) it would cost about £51 to charge to full, that's about £15 more expensive than a petrol car I wanted the leaf so badly as it looks amazing but with current electric prices, and no access to home charging, this vehicle is not worth it as there is no savings to be had
I owned a 2015 24 kWh Tekna, It was perfect for what i needed & was my first venture into EV Ownership, I since have part exed it for an ID.3. The only reason i did get rid of it was comfort & no flat floor in the rear. My leaf still had 12 bars & between 90-95% battery life left as confirmed by Leaf Spy Pro.
I heard the Nissan leaf doesn't heat or cool the batteries. Wouldn't that be a big problem? I need to buy a 2nd car for the family and thinking of getting an electric. But, I do long car trips and not sure if a Zoe or Leaf can charge up at motorway points.
i bought 2012 nissan leaf for $2000 , swapped battery with 62KW for $3100, got 420km. just over a 5K i got a great car. i would recommend to everyone. you don't need to spend 50K, 80K , 100K for an ev.
Nothing wrong with the leaf. It does everything you need. In reality nobody really drives that far, they just think they do. I've had 4 leaf so far and never had one problem (I used to work at the factory). Just keep away from the taxis. We're off to Belgium in August in ours (Newcastle - Hull - Rotterdam - Bruges) and I'm not expecting any problems.
The Leaf is an excellent choice for those who don’t carry a lot in the boot. But for those who have no garage in which to store things, it’s not the right one.
I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf original owner thinking about upgrading for some more range have 85000 miles started looking found one in a Ford dealership 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus 240 range 12000 MI $18,000 I could probably get it down a little I think it's a good deal been looking around not my first look thanks😊
I want good battery monitoring and management with appropriate heating and cooling to improve battery usefulness and extend its useful life. I’ve been told the Leaf has no battery cooling and heating. Is that true?
Chademo certainly seems like a risk on these. Would love it if Nissan or some independent company would start offering CCS conversion kits for these. I think then I'd be all over one.
This is possible and happening. Just a case of the price. If companies can make kits then surely the charging stations will start to offer it also, they make money the more people charge up so its in their interests to provide it.
I am tempted by the 40kwh but 2 concerns the battery degradation and how long will chademo be supported (also still need to convince wife to go electric)
I seriously considered a Nissan Leaf before buying my Renault Zoe. My problem is that I have no garage and have a bicycle that has to live in the boot!! As does the garden tools!!
Not 100% sure - I’m led to believe that the battery chemistry is better but that the cooling situation is still very similar. Would definitely be checking SoH carefully especially on higher mileage cars.
The 62 is much better, there's 3 battery 'modules ' as opposed to 2 in the 40. This is what allows it to charge sightly faster and also manage temperature better from both charging and motorway driving. Hence battery degradation is slower than earlier models, it's excessive heat that punishes batteries like the LEAFs which don't have active thermal management.
Cars have been over priced and the dealers have deliberately been dragging out the "chip shortage" excuse!! Now we are heading into a period of OVERSTOCK , so prices are starting to come back down to earth. New EV's are now getting seriously into affordable range... So second hand EVs could really give you a cheap to charge runabout. My BEV costs £25/mth where as I used to spend £150/mth on diesel.
I was at Gretna services two weeks ago - all the Applegreen CCS units were in pretty much in use, the IONITY units in use (and queued), and the two Gridserve units with CCS/Chademo were busy with a leaf queuing. Only downside is the proliferation of CCS only units. Saying that, Abington Applegreen has dual CCS/Chademo and there seems to be an aftermarket modding scene for these - www.youtube.com/@DalasEVRepair
Gretna’s always mega busy, it’s hard enough with a CCS car there! Was hoping the Applegreen addition there would make things easier but it sounds like it needs even more!
The new Gridserve units at Tebay will eventually help a bit but Gretna catering for both North/South is likely the issue - and it was lunchtime on a Friday so possibly peak demand.
It would have to be an absolutely amazing deal before I bought a 2 to 3 year old Leaf. During that period the Leaf's competitors brought some strong rivals to the market. For example, no way would I buy a 2 year old Leaf if there was a Mk1 Ioniq or a Kona for around the same price, give or take £1500 to £2000 or so..... The South Korean cars are *way* ahead on efficiency and tech......
I agree with you that the Koreans are way ahead of the game. Like the Ioniq 5 equipped with the 800 V battery system. I visited the dealer to check one out. The sad thing is that the Koreans EV like Hyundai or Kia are so nice but also very expensive. Unlike the old days when you have to choose between a Camry or a Sonata, you are tempted to get a Hyundai because it is significantly cheaper. The Ioniq 5, if you want it loaded with the 360 camera which comes with some sort of autonomous driving or lane keep assist, would cost you quite a few bucks. For the Ioniq 5, you need to get the limited version (Highest trim). The AWD version is easily 60k. The KIA is a litte better when you get the AWD GT Line for about 58K instead of the highest GT model that goes for about 62K...................No thanks!
No. Chademo is for DC charging, so you’d use Chademo instead of CCS. A mk2 Leaf uses Type 2 AC, older ones use Type 1 (which you can get an adaptor for) - but they all use Chademo.
"Cheap Leafs - the Gateway drug to EV"...!! Actually, I don't disagree - in fact, I think, in years to come, the Leaf will be regarded as most EV owners 'first car' in the same way that the original Mini was as a teenager's first car. It certainly was mine - a lovely 30kWh Acenta with the 6.6kW optional charger. I did about 20,000 miles over 2 years in Lottie before needing a higher-passenger-seat car for carrying my elderly mother - so, ended up with a BMW i3 94Ah Rex... another model dear to heart, I gather.
Be sure to ask the dealer for a battery SOH (state of health) check before you buy. This can provide a print-out of the battery's health in percentage terms.
Don't buy a petrol or diesel car because you will regret it. It will be expensive to fill, expensive to service, expensive to repair and a pile of junk in no time. You will quickly understand the meaning of buyer's remorse. Of course, you could go all luddite and get a horse instead ... 😂
@@michaelgoode9555 Michael, you forgot ULEZ Charging Schemes almost everywhere you drive, in another 3 to 4 years...these will add anything from £30 to £80+ per week onto the running costs of an ICE, depending where you are and where you regularly drive.....And there is also the fact that Shell recently stated (in their last business report) that they plan to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. They haven't yet stated what their plans are for fossil fuel, post 2030. Shell were one of the organisations who lobbied the UK Government to bring *forward* the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans to 2030, from 2035...The National Grid were another. Not sure about the horse thing Michael. Keeping horses these days costs a packet...👀👀 Plus I'm a tad averse to shovelling sh*t........
Keith, which electric car did you own which you regretted buying? My Kia eNiro costs me £6 to £7 per week to charge up at home on my Octopus off-peak EV tariff (which recently reduced in price from 10p per kwh to 7.5p per kwh). That does me around 240 miles per charge. Haven't you heard of off-peak tariffs? Oh, and servicing's cheaper too Keith. I paid £68 for my last service. Repairs? I haven't had any carried out, apart from a faulty seatbelt warning light. My EV is 3 years old, and still has 4 years of it's 7 year warranty to run..... Lots less to go wrong with an EV Keith. A typical EV has around 30 moving parts. Your car has around 2000 moving parts to wear out, need replacing regularly or break.... And Keith, you *have* to drive to a petrol station to refuel. I do it at home on my drive while I sleep, for a 7th of the cost of using petrol. I haven't set foot on a petrol station forecourt in 3 years, and I've saved around £6k over no longer buying petrol during that time.... But hey, if you're good with ICE, then crack on mate...... Oh, I forgot to mention the free charging at my local Sainsburys. I have used it a couple of times, but in all honesty I'm ok with paying running costs of 2p per mile.......
Certainly seems to hasten degradation and causes issues with journeys that involve multiple rapid charges in one go (“rapidgate” on the 40kWh car). Not sure it’s a reason to avoid one completely though.
The battery will lose capacity quicker. A Japanese YTer has a 2018 40kWh Leaf with almost 190k miles on the clock. The battery still has a capacity of 29kWh. The net capacity when new was 38kWh. Not too shabby.
I believe the firmware management was updated but its still an ongoing point to consider. A tesla or other EV have active cooling and not many Leaf have active just passive. 90% its not a problem. Someone should make a video on it
@@ModernHeroes If the first buyer takes a big hit, you are less likely to buy another and then they wont be available on the S/H market, and probably on the new market either, once their limitations are more apparent and governments pull back on the none existent climate emergency suicide policies. Maybe you EV evangelists are right, but personally I doubt it.
If you want to look like a c buy one
Is that really the best you’ve got? I mean that’s not even really a proper attempt at trolling is it? 🤷♂️
Don't cry 😢
@@paulhorscroft1471 you've certainty convinced me what you look like.
I can change you can't
@@paulhorscroft1471 I think you'll find the wind has changed.
we have a 40kw 2020 model.
best car i've ever owned. i have driven non stop since 1980. if u need a car to do 100 miles in a day and can charge at night on ya drive just buy one.
as quiet as a rolls royce and handles on the road superbly.
we love ours and will drive it untill it dies
40kwh Tekna here.
Amazing solid reliable car. Ok it doesn't have CCS but as a 2nd car doing my 50 mile daily commute and running the kids around here there and everywhere it's perfect.
It is supposed to be a 2nd car to my other half's diesel SUV but it turns out my LEAF does 18k miles a year and the SUV is now lucky to do 4k miles a year.
I bought a 2018 loaded LEAF in excellent condition. Got a great deal and I love it. Never ICE again. I'm not a tree hugger, love tech and charging at home for very little cost. My electric costs have not changed or changed so little I can't observe the difference.
I’ve had a 40kwh Tekna for the past 2 years and as an everyday car it’s absolutely amazing . Air con, hot seats front and rear , heated steering wheel .adaptive cruise, lane keep , cross traffic alert , blind spot warning , 360 camera , full leather interior . Plenty off room inside and big boot . What more do you want for £10k ?
A fair price, and it's doing what you want. So yes, fair comment.
yep same as we have. amazin g car in every way. and i'm very fussy with my cars
Had a 40kWh Tekna for 5years and it was faultless. ProPilot worked well and I enjoyed my time with it.
I've a 2019 40kw with 50k on it. Great car and I'd only change for a 62kw model.
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Good to see a growing used EV market, which proves that the batteries are lasting better than even the manufacturers originally expected.
Battery health on the 40 can be seen in one of the menus in the instrument display, a horizontal white bar with 12 segments equivalent to the separate bars on the Mk1.
Love my leaf, just purchased it from the lease company and its one best cars I have had, no problems and cheap to run, how can you lose when you save £2500 pa on 10000 miles/ my battery is 3 year old but has hardly degraded its still pretty like new.
There is loads of Chademo around still, you're good for 3-5 years I reckon.
Leaf Mark 2 (especially in Tekna) is a LOT of car for the money. 40Kwh will be 140-160 miles real-world, which matches published figures quite well.
Space is good, drives well (smooth/quiet), loads of safety tech, 5 star NCAP (unlike 0 star Zoe). Lots of low-mileage ones around from car supermarkets. We got ours from Cinch, who are brilliant. Serious value at around £13k imo.
Styling is subjective naturally, but in the flesh it's actually pretty alright.
Go for the 69 plate (2020) onwards to get the upgraded entertainbment system - pre 2020 models had a much smaller screen.
Great video, the love a lot of people clearly have for the leaf seems to keep values high for what they are. The Zoe seems to give more second hand bang for buck. Keep the second hand videos comming.
I've just brought a used 62KWH leaf (an upgrade from our original 24KWH UK built leaf) as the price different from a 40KWH car was minimal for the extra range/functionality (for our use case). While the leafs generally get looked down on (as a sub optimal car) as there are so many great cars from other manufactures available on the used marked (especially the Ioniqs) we really love it and its evolution from the original car (and full feature set) made it a no brainer for us. Yes CCS and faster charging would always be nice, but the chademo socket allows us to take part in Indra's V2H trial - and having the car power the house (which isn't yet available from any CCS car) was a massive positive for the leaf.
Hey, recent leaf owner here. I was just wondering how did you get on to the indra v2h trial please?
@@rock10234 I'm on the trial, but I haven't yet got my charger yet (awaiting on DNO paperwork).
I did buy 2 years ago, fantastic ok the range is a bit limited but 95% of the time I don't even have to think about charging. Just plug in when I get home. Saved a fortune in fuel.
Couple of corrections.
You can get a gen2 leaf with light interior, it was an option to purchase but they’re V rare.
The parking brake on gen2 leaf (late 2013 >) is a foot brake to action not a hand brake.
The 24kWh pack will degrade less than a 30 kWh pack so worth considering over a 30kWh.
Oh yeah I totally forgot it was a foot brake 🤦♂️ my bad.
Bought a 3 year old Leaf a couple months ago for £8,500 from a nissan dealer with 3 years nissan warranty. Love it. It's such a joy to drive. Bargain and I like the look of it.
Swapped my leaf for a Zoe Ze50 no regrets
Gone from 155 miles with careful driving in the leaf 269 miles in the Zoe
I haven't had a look at the prices for Leaf 40/62kwh for some time, as I've been thinking about getting a cheap leaf (24kwh) but these prices are very good!
A private sale would get me nervous though, I always think you'll get some reassurance with a dealer warranty.
The price for the £12k 62kwh (I think about 58kwh usable) in the video looks interesting, although there is a Kona available at the moment for £2k more with a genuine 64kwh battery, CCS 70kw charging and no rapid gate!
Great review, as used buys they start to make sense, particularly the 62kw cars as these as useable for the longest of commutes.
Thanks for the review. Yes, the prices have cooled off a bit over the last 9 to 12 months. I bought a used 2019 LEAF SL PLUS (62kWh battery) last spring for $27,000 USD here in the states. It was offered by a Nissan dealership 5 hours away as a certified used car. The price might sounds worse than it was because it is a loaded SL with most available options including leather and had been garage kept for it's 3 1/2 years in New York City and only had 6,998 miles on it. The first year and a half it was in dealer showrooms during the height of the Covid pandemic and the next two leased by a local resident that had a garage. The shipping protective film is still on the alloy wheels complete with the "Peel here" labels still in place. I bought this before I knew about the CCS / Tesla being the primary fast chargers found and being installed here in the states but not sure that would have changed my decision. That is because I bought the LEAF to replace a Nissan Vera hatchback I had been using exclusively as my run around town car for 9 years and the Leaf still fits that criteria perfectly since I charge at home anyway. However, now that I have it and I do enjoy driving it on longer trips too I do look forward to the CCS to CHAdeMO adapters becoming more available and hopefully more reasonably priced. That should reduce the range anxiety I have experience a few times on longer trips due to CHAdeMO unavailability.
I only use slow charge (type I connector/2.2Kw ) . Why? I have solar PV panels and 3/4 of my electricity completely free!
The foot operated parking brake may put off some people.
Surely a bigger battery will be less stressed over it's life than a small one needing to be charged frequently, so I'd go for the biggest i can afford.
I understood Zoe's used their air con unit to control battery temperature, so are not passive as you said.
Ahhh that’ll explain the difference in longevity then! Thanks.
the foot parking brake is definitely not mainstream, but after using it I personally found I really liked it. our new 62KWH car has replaced it with an e-brake - and while this works perfectly fine, if I had a magic wand I'd definitely replace the e-brake for the foot brake.
Just got a 19 plate techna in metallic black . Beautiful car love it ❤
I opted for a used ID.3 for two big reasons: firstly, chademo and secondly, better range and efficiency.
Passive thermal management is only part of the problem. Mk 1 Leaf battery chemistry is crap. My 35.8 kWh e-Golf is 5 years old and lost 8% capacity after 60,000 miles in SF Bay Area. It has lost 1% since 20,000 miles on odometer. VW specified robust Samsung SDI cells for the e-Golf.
The Chademo would put me off, had a Tekna back in 2014, cracking car, lousy range so the 62Kwh battery would be for me and it would have to be a Tekna to get all the toys as I would be thinking of its future resale value and in a few years time 500 mile ranges will be the expected norm so something that could do around 200 miles would still sell. Loved our Tekna though but charging away from home was a nightmare back in the day although there were plenty of free DC chargers about and little in the way of queue’s. Once went from Halifax to Dover and return using ecotricity , no issues at all and all for free !
The Zoe air cools the battery - that's why they degrade less.
Very useful. I have never thought of buying an electric car. Having seen your video I would spend about £12K on a Nissan Leaf. Thank you
The thing with Chademo is that it supports V2G/H from day 1. I’m waiting for Indra V2H to be installed, allowing me to tap into the ~17 kWh usable capacity on my 2014 Leaf. If V2H works well, we’ll upgrade to a 40 kWh. I would be specifically looking for a Chademo car (a Leaf). No CCS car currently support V2G/H.
As you said, Leaf is gateway into EV for many. In 2017 I got a 24kWh 2014 as experiment and love everything about EV’s. We now run this Leaf for school runs and Model Y for long trips.
CHAdeMO did not support V2G from day 1. It is not available on gen1 Japanese built cars.
@@fire_stick ah okay. Thanks for correction. Still waaaay earlier than CCS.
Indra says CCS V2G/H standard was only published last year.
@@fire_stick Gen1? What are you talking about?
Can you make a video when possible, I subscribed
@@geiiger I’m not much of video presenting person….
My V2H has been installed. Works well, Leaf functions as home battery when at home. So we plug it in whenever we are at home.
Sadly the small capacity batteries will deep cycle more and degrade faster. You prompted me to have a look at what is available on the used market, quite tempting to pick up a tired one as a project.
I've been looking at these too, nice to see prices getting to reasonable levels at last.
Personally I fancy a 62kwh but not at 17k and not at 130k miles odd so I'll keep looking.
Zoe has NCAP Safety rating on 0 hence why they are given them away.
It's worth noting that the 62kWh version doesn't just have a bigger battery. It also has a 50% more powerful motor! So you'll be travelling further and quicker on each charge.
Great video thank you. I've recently become interested in getting a used leaf as a replacement for my ever dependable mondeo. My main concerns are because I dont have ANY ability to home charge and there are no chargers at work. I would be solely public charging , so the chademo charging standard is a concern . I do about 120ish miles a week commuting then probably about another 50-60 miles running around out of work hours. Given my budget I'd be looking at a mid condition 30kw mk1 or very rough 40kw mk2 (I prefer the looks of the mk2 personally) I dont know any body in my social circle with an ev. So I would be taking a 5-8k "leap of faith" and hoping I could make a used leaf work for me. How do people get on with public charging mid age leafs? Roughly how much would it cost to do the 10%-80% charge? Sorry for the long comment. Much love and have great day.
I think yours is the case where a pure electric car doesn`t make sense, if I were you, I`d be looking for a petrol hybrid
only buy an EV or a PHEV if, at some point, you can sort out home charging otherwise you`d be paying 10 times more for fuel than the rest of us
I'm waiting for the 62 kw prices to drop, update Jun 24, prices have massivley dropped. Torn between a BMW i3 or a nice leaf.
I bought a 2021 Leaf for 17990. In my area, I save 1,799 in registration taxes and 4k in a tax rebate up to 16k, so approx 12k in real price. There are only 3 cars 2021 or newer for less than 18k in my area. I wish I would've purchased the larger battery for longer trips, but I should be able to make it to my vacation property with one stop.
I had this discussion with myself, I couid live with low range, bought an Ami.
I wrote my 2017 leaf of this year and was given £5500 from my insurance so great deal I then purchase a 2020 leaf with a battery health of 95% for £ 8300 like new so great deal
As of today in the uk (my area) its 85p per kwh to charge your electric vehicle, for the range topper leaf (62kwh) it would cost about £51 to charge to full, that's about £15 more expensive than a petrol car
I wanted the leaf so badly as it looks amazing but with current electric prices, and no access to home charging, this vehicle is not worth it as there is no savings to be had
Yep, I bought one in 2023, 30,000 miles. It is fantastic car. £4,000 Great value and delivers all the way.
I owned a 2015 24 kWh Tekna, It was perfect for what i needed & was my first venture into EV Ownership, I since have part exed it for an ID.3.
The only reason i did get rid of it was comfort & no flat floor in the rear.
My leaf still had 12 bars & between 90-95% battery life left as confirmed by Leaf Spy Pro.
I heard the Nissan leaf doesn't heat or cool the batteries. Wouldn't that be a big problem? I need to buy a 2nd car for the family and thinking of getting an electric. But, I do long car trips and not sure if a Zoe or Leaf can charge up at motorway points.
i bought 2012 nissan leaf for $2000 , swapped battery with 62KW for $3100, got 420km. just over a 5K i got a great car. i would recommend to everyone. you don't need to spend 50K, 80K , 100K for an ev.
Very good information
We bought one with 90k on the clock and still at 12 bars battery health. Really nice thing but wish it looked better on the outside.
Nothing wrong with the leaf. It does everything you need. In reality nobody really drives that far, they just think they do. I've had 4 leaf so far and never had one problem (I used to work at the factory). Just keep away from the taxis.
We're off to Belgium in August in ours (Newcastle - Hull - Rotterdam - Bruges) and I'm not expecting any problems.
The used LEAF market is quite big here in New Zealand.
Well, I doubt that the small battery would have the range to take me to Brighton for a holiday fortnight on one charge and back on another charge!!
My leaf mk1 2016 = 12 bars, it is driven & charged gently
The Leaf is an excellent choice for those who don’t carry a lot in the boot. But for those who have no garage in which to store things, it’s not the right one.
I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf original owner thinking about upgrading for some more range have 85000 miles started looking found one in a Ford dealership 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus 240 range 12000 MI $18,000 I could probably get it down a little I think it's a good deal been looking around not my first look thanks😊
I want good battery monitoring and management with appropriate heating and cooling to improve battery usefulness and extend its useful life. I’ve been told the Leaf has no battery cooling and heating. Is that true?
Chademo certainly seems like a risk on these. Would love it if Nissan or some independent company would start offering CCS conversion kits for these. I think then I'd be all over one.
google Muxsan
I think it is very complicated, hence it has not been done.
Muxsan, a Dutch company, offers a CCS conversion.
This is possible and happening. Just a case of the price. If companies can make kits then surely the charging stations will start to offer it also, they make money the more people charge up so its in their interests to provide it.
I am tempted by the 40kwh but 2 concerns the battery degradation and how long will chademo be supported (also still need to convince wife to go electric)
I seriously considered a Nissan Leaf before buying my Renault Zoe. My problem is that I have no garage and have a bicycle that has to live in the boot!! As does the garden tools!!
You said that the battery suffered with degradation on the early Leaf…what about the newer cars like the 62kwh?
Not 100% sure - I’m led to believe that the battery chemistry is better but that the cooling situation is still very similar. Would definitely be checking SoH carefully especially on higher mileage cars.
The 62 is much better, there's 3 battery 'modules ' as opposed to 2 in the 40. This is what allows it to charge sightly faster and also manage temperature better from both charging and motorway driving. Hence battery degradation is slower than earlier models, it's excessive heat that punishes batteries like the LEAFs which don't have active thermal management.
I’m poor, I have a budget of £2000 to £ 3000 is a used leaf feasible or any electric car? 🤔
Cars have been over priced and the dealers have deliberately been dragging out the "chip shortage" excuse!! Now we are heading into a period of OVERSTOCK , so prices are starting to come back down to earth. New EV's are now getting seriously into affordable range... So second hand EVs could really give you a cheap to charge runabout. My BEV costs £25/mth where as I used to spend £150/mth on diesel.
I was at Gretna services two weeks ago - all the Applegreen CCS units were in pretty much in use, the IONITY units in use (and queued), and the two Gridserve units with CCS/Chademo were busy with a leaf queuing. Only downside is the proliferation of CCS only units. Saying that, Abington Applegreen has dual CCS/Chademo and there seems to be an aftermarket modding scene for these - www.youtube.com/@DalasEVRepair
Gretna’s always mega busy, it’s hard enough with a CCS car there! Was hoping the Applegreen addition there would make things easier but it sounds like it needs even more!
The new Gridserve units at Tebay will eventually help a bit but Gretna catering for both North/South is likely the issue - and it was lunchtime on a Friday so possibly peak demand.
It would have to be an absolutely amazing deal before I bought a 2 to 3 year old Leaf. During that period the Leaf's competitors brought some strong rivals to the market. For example, no way would I buy a 2 year old Leaf if there was a Mk1 Ioniq or a Kona for around the same price, give or take £1500 to £2000 or so..... The South Korean cars are *way* ahead on efficiency and tech......
I agree with you that the Koreans are way ahead of the game. Like the Ioniq 5 equipped with the 800 V battery system. I visited the dealer to check one out. The sad thing is that the Koreans EV like Hyundai or Kia are so nice but also very expensive. Unlike the old days when you have to choose between a Camry or a Sonata, you are tempted to get a Hyundai because it is significantly cheaper. The Ioniq 5, if you want it loaded with the 360 camera which comes with some sort of autonomous driving or lane keep assist, would cost you quite a few bucks. For the Ioniq 5, you need to get the limited version (Highest trim). The AWD version is easily 60k. The KIA is a litte better when you get the AWD GT Line for about 58K instead of the highest GT model that goes for about 62K...................No thanks!
No deal on new leafs in USA
Is there an adapter that I can purchase to put on my type 2 charger to change it to a Chademo charger?
No. Chademo is for DC charging, so you’d use Chademo instead of CCS.
A mk2 Leaf uses Type 2 AC, older ones use Type 1 (which you can get an adaptor for) - but they all use Chademo.
Just get an ioniq?
"Cheap Leafs - the Gateway drug to EV"...!!
Actually, I don't disagree - in fact, I think, in years to come, the Leaf will be regarded as most EV owners 'first car' in the same way that the original Mini was as a teenager's first car.
It certainly was mine - a lovely 30kWh Acenta with the 6.6kW optional charger.
I did about 20,000 miles over 2 years in Lottie before needing a higher-passenger-seat car for carrying my elderly mother - so, ended up with a BMW i3 94Ah Rex... another model dear to heart, I gather.
The fire service recommends a 15-m quarantine area for one damaged EV.
Sounds like your insurer’s problem to me. Is this really the best the anti-EV lot can come up with now? 😆
@@ModernHeroes MH, have you heard the one that says you get more car sick in an EV?
As a young guy looking to buy a used EV i appreciate your videos alot!
Be sure to ask the dealer for a battery SOH (state of health) check before you buy. This can provide a print-out of the battery's health in percentage terms.
One word: Chademo
Meh. Still plenty of charging options, I don’t think it’s as big a deal as some people say.
@@ModernHeroesExactly. But especially as type1/2 will be fine for destination charging, so just plan ahead for Chademo long distance!
Nah. Options will only get worse as it becomes unsupported. Nissan should have went to CCS rather than wait for new model
@@scottcameron8936 Plenty of new chargers supporting both ccs and chademo being deployed as we speak.
Don't buy an EV You'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life.
Don't buy a petrol or diesel car because you will regret it. It will be expensive to fill, expensive to service, expensive to repair and a pile of junk in no time.
You will quickly understand the meaning of buyer's remorse.
Of course, you could go all luddite and get a horse instead ... 😂
@@michaelgoode9555 Michael, you forgot ULEZ Charging Schemes almost everywhere you drive, in another 3 to 4 years...these will add anything from £30 to £80+ per week onto the running costs of an ICE, depending where you are and where you regularly drive.....And there is also the fact that Shell recently stated (in their last business report) that they plan to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. They haven't yet stated what their plans are for fossil fuel, post 2030. Shell were one of the organisations who lobbied the UK Government to bring *forward* the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans to 2030, from 2035...The National Grid were another. Not sure about the horse thing Michael. Keeping horses these days costs a packet...👀👀 Plus I'm a tad averse to shovelling sh*t........
Keith, which electric car did you own which you regretted buying? My Kia eNiro costs me £6 to £7 per week to charge up at home on my Octopus off-peak EV tariff (which recently reduced in price from 10p per kwh to 7.5p per kwh). That does me around 240 miles per charge. Haven't you heard of off-peak tariffs? Oh, and servicing's cheaper too Keith. I paid £68 for my last service. Repairs? I haven't had any carried out, apart from a faulty seatbelt warning light. My EV is 3 years old, and still has 4 years of it's 7 year warranty to run..... Lots less to go wrong with an EV Keith. A typical EV has around 30 moving parts. Your car has around 2000 moving parts to wear out, need replacing regularly or break.... And Keith, you *have* to drive to a petrol station to refuel. I do it at home on my drive while I sleep, for a 7th of the cost of using petrol. I haven't set foot on a petrol station forecourt in 3 years, and I've saved around £6k over no longer buying petrol during that time.... But hey, if you're good with ICE, then crack on mate...... Oh, I forgot to mention the free charging at my local Sainsburys. I have used it a couple of times, but in all honesty I'm ok with paying running costs of 2p per mile.......
It’s not that deep bro
@@ModernHeroes Right? ✌ Too many individuals dwelling on political dogma around evs.
Is the lack of liquid cooling anything to worry about?
Certainly seems to hasten degradation and causes issues with journeys that involve multiple rapid charges in one go (“rapidgate” on the 40kWh car). Not sure it’s a reason to avoid one completely though.
The battery will lose capacity quicker. A Japanese YTer has a 2018 40kWh Leaf with almost 190k miles on the clock. The battery still has a capacity of 29kWh. The net capacity when new was 38kWh. Not too shabby.
Great video, thanks. Personally, I'm not ready for an EV yet, but I keep watching as they get closer to my needs.
What about RapidGate on the 40kwh? Is that still A Thing? Is the 60kwh version also affected?
I believe the firmware management was updated but its still an ongoing point to consider. A tesla or other EV have active cooling and not many Leaf have active just passive. 90% its not a problem. Someone should make a video on it
Are you real? if you as a first owner lost so much, would you buy another?
The amount the first owner lost is irrelevant to a used buyer just like it always has been 🤷♂️
@@ModernHeroes If the first buyer takes a big hit, you are less likely to buy another and then they wont be available on the S/H market, and probably on the new market either, once their limitations are more apparent and governments pull back on the none existent climate emergency suicide policies.
Maybe you EV evangelists are right, but personally I doubt it.
Fleets aren’t going to turn away from the massive tax benefits any time soon so I don’t think there are any worries about used supply….