What Are We MISSING? Stolitz Analysis - Helluva Boss
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Human Stolas is a downgrade. Yes or No?
It's a trap! You will not out me as a furry today sir!...
I mean sure. Brolas definitely isn't an upgrade. . . .But I'm not a furry dammit!
Nah. He’s hot
He’s ehhh
Absolutely. He's an eldritch horror barely contained within an owl-like shape. Any human disguise over that is just weak.
yeah
Fun fact: When stolas threw the water onto the guy in the stage, he burned becuase in the beginning of the episode, thers a poster next to the dumpster saying the water is 98% acid!
@Seeing Star oof looks like spam to me
Lmao, i though it was bc stolas saliva is acid
He said that already in the video before this one
When i first saw the episode I thought he was just a discord mod and thus allergic to water
It was bottled, so I assumed it was a chemical reaction in a nasty fake tan.
"maybe we were getting Kesha" the way you manifested this help
I see resolution on Stolas' side. He finally got liberty to talk back to Stella and kick her out of his life. It defidently improved his mood and lightened up attitude. But we defidently miss something on Blitz, and it's a problem because hes the main character
perhaps we'll see it in 1s ep 8 whenever that comes out- seems like a loona and blitz ep so maybe they talk abt stuff there idk
I need to know the rest of Blitzø’s backstory! What relationship does he currently have with his dad? Or his sister? Who’s the lady implied to be his mother? How’d he get his scars? What happened between him and Fizzarolli? Or him and Verosika?
See, I'm not sure what's going on with Stella is "resolution" on Stolas' part. Not saying he shouldn't have stood up for himself, but the way he's gone about it is very impulsive and a bit manic, and not in the normal manic Stolas way.
It's apathy. It's "fuck it lmao", it's "screw everything and damn the consequences" and it's still a very dark place to be in mentally.
I don't see resolution on either of their sides yet, I just see a dysfunctional relationship in which a Major Event happened and is being swept under the rug in order to maintain both of their own equilibriums.
@@SaraLovelace1 I. . .think I see more of dysfunctional behavior on Stolas part. But by "resolution" I didnt mean "end to his entire conflict and all of his problems". I just meant that as of right now Stolas didnt realy felt cinsequenses catching up to him. His mood was lightened up by talking back to Stella, sure, its euphoric for him, but its only temporary happines that should disappear as soon as realization hits him.
But I acknowledge how his conflict at Ozzie was almost completely ignored.
While blitzø’s the main character, it doesn’t mean his story should get fast tracked. It is also important to show the stories of other characters and their personalities to define them. Blitzø’s story is going to continue along with the other characters (mostly Stolas) and react to each other differently due to what’s happening in their lives. It’s just general character progression that’ll likely effect their behavior.
Stolas is really just a fan of bad jokes, but I don’t mind it. Kinda wholesome, like Millie loves Moxxie's songs despite most people not enjoying them.
To the contrary, M&M's duet in the latest episode attracted a large crowd of donors to Moxxie's starving artist fund.
You mean the one in Ozzie’s?
@@JamesWillmus i think they mean in hell
"Despite most people not enjoying them."
Then why did everyone did? In the Ozzie episode after Moxxie finished his song, and make out with his wife, the crowd cheered. And during the newest episode, the M&Ms sang a duet about how much they loved each other and people actually enjoyed it enough to give them money.
@@VernonMcWilliams enjoying a song and paying people for it are two different things, they presumably paid for the entertainment when they bought the tickets, so I wouldn’t bet on them wanting to pay a second time, also they got to see the star of the show get hit over the head with a guitar, it will smith is any indicator that thing tends to be pretty popular
Stolitz is one of the most complicated relationships I’ve witnessed in which a character who desperately wants closure only to reject it completely when it’s given to him.. and then there Stolas a prince in which he lived a very complex life and yet struggled to form a close relationship from an imp that at the time didn’t want to do anything with him…
They’ve both been used and they used eachother in which you can see the complexity these two have…
No it’s just horny owl
Honestly same cause the fact seeing the M&M’s all chill with blitz without any scene showing him apologizing to them was weird. It felt like we were still missing context on what happened on Blitz’s end cause we saw how Stolas was after that.
Right??????
Honestly blitzo does stuff like this all the time and they probably just decide to move on with their day. Moxie has stated to stop doing things like this and Millie has stated that's all right mox he's our boss.
To be honest he didn't do anything that bad to them. They are probably already used to him following them around. Not to mention that he tried to defend them and accidentally took the attention from them (which, considering the situation they were in, was a good thing).
Yeah, ever since the end of episode 7, I've been anticipating seeing how Moxxie and Millie are taking what went down at Ozzie's. Not even in that they'd be upset with Bliz but they saw all of Blitz's insecurities get flung out into the open along with Stolas and it happened because Blitz stepped up to defend Moxxie, Moxxie especially since he went through the Truth Serum with Blitz and knows how this stuff affects him. I was really hoping we'd get an episode coming off of Ozzie's at IMP with M&M helping him get back up but the episode barely touched them.
Going to sound weird but there wasn’t really much of anything to apologize for. Blitz stalked them sure but not only did he take hot shit that literally everyone saw but he stood up for them by doing it. What went down wasn’t his fault and the night would have probably ended uneventfully if asmodeus didn’t decide to harass moxxie. I’ve had my list of weird bosses who have done some questionable things but if I saw something like that happen to them I’m good. They got publicly roasted by the president of sex on national television. That’s the kind of stuff you wish upon your enemies not your weird ass boss.
I wish we could see the finale. I just wanna know what's up.
At least the bots are context-appropriate. Hope you didn't fall for them.
Yea, i honestly thought that this episode was set somewhere in the past cause of how normal everything felt, like nothing had happened. But now I don't really know.
Didn't season 1 finale wasn't about the plot but a visual spectacle? So it wouldn't be much anyway.
If they stopped cuz if there is a Hazbin Hotel character imma be pissed. Cuz it's her show and creation
@@SolBin-b4m My theory is that it was connected to Kesha somehow because of the episode being set at a hellhound party and the werewolves from Die Young looking very similar to the hellhounds in design. I assumed that Tex's girlfriend (who hosts crazy parties) was going to be the werewolf from Die Young, whose whole character was about loving to party. It would be a cute tribute to where the channel really got big and how much further it's come since.
Also the Die Young video has been unlisted after years of being allowed up which is either the biggest coincidence in the world or a raging clue.
I think Both Blitz and Stolas put thier problem on hold for the sake of finding Octavia. Nothing is 'Solved' but the pair were mature enough to put thier squabble on hold.
Hell. Luna showed a surprising amount of maturity when talkign to Octavia. Hope the two interact more since the two definitely have a fun sibling/buddy dynamic.
I mean yeah but stolas is still all over blitzo. It doesn’t make sense they should have worked together but they should still be tension between them.
@@plaguedoctor_pr1658 I mean, they both use sex and generally being overly horny as a coping mechanism to fake confidence. It seemed perfectly plausible to me that they were both just freaking out about the girls and desperately trying to put on a brave face to everyone else in the only way they knew how: dirty talk. They were plenty catty with each other throughout as well, like the classic "on-and-off-again hatefuckers" relationship you see in some shows.
I agree, they may have problem with building relationship, but they're both loving and caring dads- depsite the fact they've both got shitty fathers. They both know how it is wanting move whole Hell to make sure their child would be safe and sound. So they may just put that squabble on hold for Octavia's sake.
Same I think that to
@@SpitfiretheCat16 i mean i understand but Atleast if they had just a little hint like the guy in the video said I would understand and stolas was in a relationship with his wife and she mistreated him like crazy until he learned to defend himself and you think he wouldn’t let anything like that happen again after his ex. Blitzo I understand but stolas idk
Charitably, the fact that Stolas _didn’t know_ where Octavia was caused the freak-out, but Loona being able to track her made him calm down enough to fall into a reassuring rhythm with Blitz.
I can see that!
To be fair the writer of the this episode,this is his first time writing a helluva episode, so we shouldn't expect for him to hit out of the park right away and he probably will improve over time.
Definitely a good job for a start off
I commend the writer for trying and good for him! The problem I have with this is that they let this person write an episode that followed up a pretty important episode for the series. I think it’s more of the teams fault for letting this happen
It would have been cool if he wrote a more fun episode for Helluva Boss. It would make more sense
That explains everything! Wish I knew this sooner.
He's a writer for Brandon Roger's TH-cam channel
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS this was his first time writing a helluva episode.
If the 2nd part is suppose to be the Hellhound Party with Loona & Tex, then I imagine Blitzo inserts himself into the situation, embarrassing her at some point. Remember how in Episode 2 of Season 2, Loona talks to Octavia? How she was saying dads fuck up all the time? Maybe that was to point out how Blitzo acts at this party. He goes there worrying about how Loona will mingle with others, being very overbearing, until she snaps at him out of embarrassment.
She yells at him to leave when she learns he was spying on her. They talk at the end of the episode about what boundaries need to start being put in place in their relationship, and drive off back to their apartment on a mellow note. Season 1 ends, and the next time we’d see how their communication has improved is the “The Talk” they had about her anger management with clients in S2E2.
I think when Loona said "the people here know you" that might mean he's been to hell hound pounds multiple times before finding Loona and that's the hellhounds she was talking about.
I think you can alsl see the werewolf guy on the phone in the New episode
My god you fucking nailed the prediction of the episode
I saw someone summarize the recent episode nicely: "It's the most emotional episode we've had so far, and it's also the most rushed and chaotic"
There was so many talked about AND not talked about at the same time
The writing on this show is simultaneously so flawed and undercooked yet has so much potential and several highlights of quality too.
It’s pure chaos from a writing quality perspective. I can’t even settle on how to feel about it.
This really explains something that I’ve been trying to put into words.
Blitz and Stolas refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the room is perfectly in character for them both because they are far too dysfunctional, both as a couple and as individuals, to be mature enough to deal with the fallout of Ozzie’s.
Mix that with them both having a situation that they can use as a valid excuse to avoid talking and the second ep makes more sense. Blitz would never willingly admit there was an issue because he wouldn’t want to appear weak and Stolas doesn’t seem to even know what a real relationship looks like, much less what to do when there is a problem in a relationship; so them acting business as usual is the best solution this pair of emotionally repressed idiots can come up with.
It doesn’t perfectly explain away the refusal to deal with the problem but it isn’t entirely out of character either
As someone who has seen this in my own family. you are right on the money. Dysfunctional relationships will only acknowledge a problem when it grows to big to ignore. what happened at ozzie's is barely a bump in the road of their terrible romance. They might talk or deal with it later, but If this is very recent after that then it makes sense for them to just ignore it and pretend nothing is wrong.
I mean when Blitz and Loona got into an argument, Loona did comment in the end, "yeah, I'm fine... He'll get over it... He always does." And he was basically over it by the end of the episode. We've seen this pattern before of Blitz completely looking past arguments like they never happened. He's learned to mask his feelings and repress his anger until he just forgets about it. If I'm only 19 and physically can't prevent myself from doing this exact thing, I know that he, as an adult, most certainly can't help but do this. This is something that when it happens long enough, you physically, mentally, and emotionally forget how to express yourself instead of repress yourself.
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I feel like the fact that Stolas and Blitz feels off in this episode is due to the fact that we haven't really seen them in a more "casual" 1 on 1 instance. LooLoo Land mostly had them flirting and Stolas focusing on Octavia, and Ozzie's had a one sided type of feel with Stolas actually trying to have a proper date while Blitz is more focused on the M&M's. They haven't had a on screen moment of how they act together without flirting, and I think that is why it feels weird with how casual they are trying to be in this episode. For all we know this is how they act together when they aren't overly flirty or sexual with each other, that this is there normal when theyre just hanging out. And we have seen at least one photo of them either just casually hanging out once or uh- relaxing after a booty call, there is definitely very VERY tiny hints at something more casual between them, and I feel like it could have been more beneficial to see that before this episode to compare how they act casually to how they acted in this episode.
The tone change after being tossed into the van was some major whiplash for me. It felt like it was cut from a different episode, and made me wonder what happened with the production.
I didn't think the finale would wrap up what happened in part 1 but I think it would've at least given us some context or some progression on their relationship.
As good as the episode was it felt painfully obvious it was skipped. Hopefully they release it soon
But if Viv's claims about episode 8 are true then what are we missing?
@@valentinkambushev4968 honestly, I don't think much but it's very awkward how they're acting like the events of episode 7 never happened. Moxxie and Millie are okay with blitz now all of the sudden. Stolas and blitz are talking like nothing ever happened. I'm not saying part 2 needed to happen but to an average viewer who's just seen 7 then the next two it just feels uncanny like they missed something
@@asaknight321 Wait...when did Millie and Moxxie fall out with Blitzo?...I'm pretty sure they didn't really care that Blitzo intruded on their date at Ozzie's because he does it ALL THE TIME. Also, in episode 7 M&Ms date ends pretty well with them being able to end their musical number on a sweet note, meanwhile Blitzo and Stolas take all the blows of Fizz and Ozzie's diss track and put a dent in their relationship (so there shouldn't be a reason why M&M should be angry at Blitzo when Blitzo didn't hurt anyone other than himself and Stolas in that episode).
If Vivziepop (the creator and one of the writers of the show) says that episode 8 doesn't add anything to the plot then don't you think we should trust her?..
@@lechocolat3783 This is true
Hear me out: we need an episode where we follow up with some of the past clients like the teacher or the scientists, where they're trying to live with the fact they're in hell. The teacher especially would be interesting, like she either wants to check out Hazbin Hotel because of the claim of being able to leave He'll but she meets the woman that ruined her marriage or the Scientists are effectively making various machines but are finding out what it's like to actually be exploited.
Unfortunately, there'll likely never be a crossover between Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. The two shows have different crews, and due to Hazbin Hotel getting picked up by a tv network while Helluva Boss remains a free TH-cam cartoon, it'd take a lot of work to make an actual crossover episode happen. It sucks, but that's business.
Honestly feel it's unnecessary
My biggest issues with this episode is how "tone deaf" it feels for Stolas and blitz to be "Flirting" and spending a majority of the episode together, When the problem of the episode is about octavia reaction to her parents divorce (Which was caused by blitz). In a way i feel it proves her point right of how Stolas cares more about Blitz then her, since as you discussed in the video (12:20) since stolas isnt shown to be as worryed about his daughter as he should be, choosing to spend all day watching Blitz preform which is something i didnt like. And at the end when lonna tell her "But hes trying" felt hollow since it wasnt better shown that he does care in this episode and in a way justify stolas actions without properly addressing via trauma . It would have worked better if the episode showed stolas be more worried about his daugther and thinking about how his actions affect her rather then continueing to do the thing that casued the issue in the first place(along with giveing octavia more screen time and allow her to show some agency in her feelings)
( Im not saying that stolas hates or never cared about octavia since that isnt true, but its more "Tell then show" to where were told one thing without it being properly illustrated in the episode its self)
Here’s how I’d “fix” this problem:
Blitz has just yelled to Loona after being kidnapped, both he and Stolas are still in the van.
“She’s in good hands!”
“Blitz.. About the other night at Oz-“
“Stolas, how ‘bout we focus on finding your kid for right now? ‘Kay?”
Stolas gives a forlorn nod and then the episode continues as usual.
Octavia is returned, hugs Stolas and “I’m so sorry for forgetting” and whathaveyou like in the episode, and then Stolas looks over at Loona and Blitz.
“Thank you. Both of you.”
Loona pulls out her phone and ignores him. Blitzo, however, returns a slight smile, opens his mouth to say something, but gets interrupted by the fireworks.
I think one reason for Blitzo and Stolas to take such a massive detour and get caught up in shenanigans ties into this theme of the episode of fathers being MASSIVE screwups and still genuinely and unconditionally loving their daughters. And by extension, also setting up Loona as being the kind of truly close, dependable friend that Octavia desperately needs in her life right now. Note how it's LOONA that does all of the actual legwork in finding Octavia (right down to figuring out she was in LA to begin with) while Stoals and the imps get sidetracked, and is the one to give her the emotional support and connection that she needs in the end. So in that sense, Blitzo and Stolas ending up being kind of useless feels like part of the point.
Bro called Kesha years before it happend
What would’ve worked would’ve been a 7 second scene after stolas rushed to the office that goes something like.
S: [stiffly] “Alright then let’s head to the human world right now. Let’s go blitzy- Blitz. Ahem. Blitz. That’s what I meant to say”
M&M: [to Blitz] is everything okay?
[flashbacks of stolas drinking after ozzies and blitz comically sobbing on the couch]
S+B: [talking over each other] EVERYTHING IS FINE WE’RE TOTALLY FINE NEED TO LOOK FOR OCTAVIA LETS GO GUYS aHahahAa..
Lighthearted enough to fit with the episode but still addresses the continuity issue. And we wouldn’t have to speculate where the characters stand.
yeah that would have been good, the MnM parts honestly could have been cut to add something like that.
Maybe Stolas was acting weird because they were in public? As a Goetia, he propably automatically shoves worry and fear down in public, maybe?
The part with Loona really hit me hard. Blitz himself wasn't wanted as a child and that stuck with him through adulthood. His father used him for money and even sold him to be Stolas's play thing. Even now he feels Stolas uses him just for sexual gratification. Seeing Loona being unloved and scared obviously resonated with him. It gives reason to why he is such a overbearing parent to loona and that has allot to do with the fact he didn't have a loving family of his own.
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Silco in that way. Just like Blitz, he say himself in a scared girl, which is why he decides to adopt her.
When Stolas brought up Moxxie's Phone Number, I was led to believe that they'd bring up Ozzie's more often. I do enjoy that they were ignoring it. Like you said, it's in character that they'd ignore what happened at Ozzie's, but maybe more casual arguments like with Moxxie's number would be more welcome. Like show me that they're not over it entirely, show me that they're in a middle of a fight and have them argue more
That would have been a nice middle ground. Showing that while they try to ignore it there is still some bad feelings in there.
To me it felt like we missed an episode where they acknowledge the breakup. Because in this episode they are acting like "exes that still have feelings for each other but are functional pretending they're good friends". By that i mean it's pretty obvious they still love each other, they both blush pretty often, but also Stolas never says "Blitzy" and seems less lusty overall, like this belongs to an old relationship.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. It's very in character for both of them to do that but we didn't get any hint what happened between them. It didn't seem like them trying to ignore that. It seems like a funny episode and it's a good episode on its own but if you look at the things that happened before this it's really weird that this isn't at least mentioned in any way.
I swear you're the only person that can really get into the writing of this show in a in-depth way. Can point out subtleties but also flaws, while also staying focused on the actual point. It's such a breath of fresh air every upload.
The reason stole us is probably going along with that sitcom is so that they don't stand out. They are demons on earth after all, in fact, I'm surprised that Octavia wasn't caught by someone who was sober
Here's the thing. It's possible that they tentatively put a bandaid on their relationship in the finale, without it having to be the focus of the episode. Like a throw away phone call return to the status quo but not really because consequences. It might take place during or after episode 1 of season 2. Just my thoughts though.
That's my bet. S1E8 likely wouldn't show a full resolution, but might show them acknowledging they still like each other. From there, pretending everything is normal is perfectly in character for both of them.
A note; Stolas understands the ramifications of revealing themselves to humans so it makes sense that he's not using his insane powers to just grab her and pick her up.
This just feel them trying to do "forced proximity" for Stolas And Blitz.
How the ep played out felt jumbled and force. Like they were just looking for an excuse to cram Stolas and Blitz together and reenact how Stolas first fell in love with Blitz.
Reminding him on why he loves blitz. And to not give him the asmodian crystal. To hold on to this relationship and not give up on it.
Also Stolas never really talks back to blitz. There used to be some sassy doting but not in the way of "calling blitz on his bullshit" kinda way.
Also Stolas had ways to determine where Blitz was in Truth Seekers. "I have my ways" He could probably do the same.
The whole episode was "in character" for him but it also doesnt make sense. It's either Stolas being a worried dad was an act and he was taking advantage of the situation to determine if he should stay with Blitz or not because he knows he wouldn't have this chance ever again since Blitz is obligated to find his daughter since it was his fault in the first place she got the book.
Stolas is known to be self-aware.
He knows if he leaves Blitz to deal with the whole sitcom (cause he can) he'll lose the opportunity to validate him staying and pursuing Blitz. Theres a clear distinct change in his personality thats because he's torn (he knows she's safe but would rather not let her wander on her own) but Blitz doesn't
As a father himself he feels guilty, Stolas took advantage of that.
To keep holding on to Blitz
Or maybe I'm just reaching and it was just bad writing but if I'm right then the way they presented it is shitty. They had a concept but didn't know how to deliver it.
I relate to these two chars a lot and I can see myself acting the way Stolas did. Not that I have, It just makes sense to me.
I get the feeling that (though the show likely won't address it), what Stolas spent his entire marriage doing to Stella (putting up with her bullshit)...Blitzo does with Loona. She is constantly shown to not respect him and have zero hesitation berating and outright abusing him. She smiles when he isn't looking, but outside of one instance (Spring Broken), she never shows any hint that she cares she is abusing her adoptive dad. Who just enables her because he almost never claps back. He's clapped back exactly once (See The Stars) and that actually got Loona to back down. Him trying to play diplomat and peacemaker (or caring father) only invites more of Loona's abuse.
I really hope the show DOES address this because it seems hypocritical for Stella's abuse to be demonising...But Loona's abuse is played for laughs.
Oh my gawd he called it we did actually get to here Kesha
"Maybe we were getting Ke$ha"
How did you know-?
The lack of tension was the first thing my fiancé and I noticed when we watched the new episode. That and the art style looked a bit different. Glad we weren’t the only ones who thought Stoliz was interacting a bit too calmly with each other
Love your videos and yeah it did feel like that there fight really didn't happen.
I just love blitz's whole flashback moment, flashbacks relating to past trauma just gets to me in most media. I do agree, more of the cast needs screentime.
Wait he got the Kesha part right?!?
In defense of the writers, "Try to please all, and you will please none."- Aesop I think Stolas and Blitz's craving for an actual relationship is the primary factor why the two live a lie. They're so used to lying to themselves about their personal problems their conversations are like breathing.
Honestly the biggest hint that the Ozzie's fight even seemed to have happened was that Stolas just called Blitzø by his name and not Blizty. Stolas started just calling him Blitzø at the end of the season 1 Finale.
But otherwise it doesn't feel like much changed for them. It just feels like this episode wasn't supposed to take place just after the season 1 Finale. I know it's not but it just feels weird.
Given how emotionally charged the previous episodes had been and the personal hell that Stolitz faced, it makes sense that this episode had taken a step back from the drama. It's a given that the elephant in the room will eventually be addressed, but now had not been the right time. Plus, it cute that this misadventure had helped reestablish to Stolas why he had fallen for Blitzø in the first place.
I think we should blame the real villains here: Toxic fans. I heard somewhere that Viv started releasing season 2, only so that the impatient fans will shut up. It's probably why episode 2 came out so undercooked. They are so afraid of facing the toxic fans' wrath that they released episodes, even if they are not completely ready. We still don't know who is copyrighting episodes 8 and until then, I think it's fair to blame the impatient fans.
Exactly
I want to believe that isn't true, because it would be a shame. I'm sure most of the fans who are old enough to actually watch the show could have waited longer.
@Rach yup it is
@Rach Np lol I think you have your opinion I didn't agree I was being sarcastic but I hope you have fun watching something else
@Rach lol
This is the critical view of this episode I was looking for. Glad someone gave this episode a closer look.
I think episode 8 of season might be a moment where Loona bonds with Blitz and the M&M kept an eye on him. So they just partied.
I hope so too. Please let it happened please!
Like i said in your review of S2 Ep2, Blitz and Stolas's moments may seem like they prefer to forget that the whole Ozzie's incident never happened but given how they acted toward each other they're dealing with it in their own way and at their own pace.
Like i said i'm sure eventually Blitz and Stolas will end up dealing with the Ozzie's incident head on because one way or another it'll come back to haunt the two of them, and when it does they'll have no choice but to face it together, but for now their progress in starting a real relatinship is starting out slowly they might get better as the series goes on.
Honestly, I get so excited whenever I see you upload, your videos are the perfect combination of funny, analytical and SHIPS!! that they keep bringing me back. Genuinely one of the gems of TH-cam to me : )
I feel like the episode was a bit janky and rushed still good but a bit strange.
As much of an emotionally oppressed owl Stolas is, at least he has shown some growth on his end. He doesnt call Blitz using a pet name anymore. He is also standing up to Stella. But Blitz, he has yet to show us whether or not he still stalks M&M or whether or not he still talks down on Moxxie. Growth, no matter how small is still growth and Stolas has shown me that.
I agree with you when it comes to the urgency and lack of awkwardness between Blitzo and Stolis. I feel like the premise of this could have brought them together whether they wanted to see each other or not. Octavia getting ignored by her father and goes to different places trying to find the stars. And they try to excuse Stolis not using his powers because he doesn't have the book. Another draft or direction could have helped it. I loved the Luna backstory moment, saddest moment in the series to me, and I loved the sisterly bond between her and Octavia.
0:15 "Welcom friends and people that have Ad blockers" - Guess Ill just leave 💀
Stolas knows he is the one who screwed up and his treatment of Biltzø as a plaything but not a partner was his mistake. Blitzø doesnt know how to have a healthy relationship and his way of handling everything in this episode was "I can fix it" a solution any of us from broken homes who only got to see our Dads every other weekend and rotating holidays know far to well.
But I think the back of the Van was the closest we got to either of them opening up about everything and I think Blitzø was about to until Stolas gave him an out.
This lack of narrative urgency in favor of "random fun shenanigans" is giving me some "Steven Universe" and "Star vs" flashbacks.
And Amphibia s3.
i kind of think it’s that as much as Stolas wants to find Octavia, he has a lot of things up in the air in this episode. He’s in the middle of a divorce, his boyfriend and him are fighting, what will the public think of him, and he can’t necessarily wreak havoc in the living world due to some sort of hell law. I believe due to the divorce in some way Stolas is trying to give Octavia some semblance of space so that she can understand what all is going on in her life because at the end of the day with Stolas’ power he could likely find Octavia in any world any dimension with ease. I think in a way Stolas is trying to mend his relationship with Octavia and Blitz all in one go. Through this process Blitz starts to take note of how he’s finally starting to have meaningful relationships in his life but is likely scared because none of his relationships with anyone has ever ended good.
that’s my take or maybe self projection who knows
1:12 Wait, did Sarcastic Chorus predict that Kesha would be in S1E8 or was this known already?
Ok but can we just talk about how he randomly guessed correctly on Kesha coming in?
It did feel kinda lazy how Stolas was depowered here without his spells just for the plot to happen.
It does bring into question how powerful a demon is without magic? Just use one powerful spell or take their grimoire and they're as weak as any other human.
Like we've seen him at his most powerful so far without his book! This makes no sense!
I think to add a bit of urgency would be too add angels or something. We see that the angels don’t know about the imps cause they’re too small and powerless to worry about. But a demon noble straight from the depths of hell? I think making Stolas worry about angels trying to kill Octavia would be perfect to add urgency and panic.
i honestly agree! while watching the episode, i immediately caught on the weird pacing and confusing tonal shifts. The season 1 finale and the first episode of season 2 was filled with so many heavy emotions and tension between Stolitz, but this episode was a little bit of a let down because all that tension kinda just poofed away. I hardly believe it was written that way because of the plot of the episode (octavia stealing the book and all). Stolas was distracted with human things instead of having full focus to find his daughter, which is very uncharacteristically for him to do. my theory is that the episode was really rushed to compensate with the lost episode. Which i think made the episode lack consistency not only within itself, but for half of the whole series. But viv is a great writer and im sure the next episodes will probs be 1000x better than the last one
I will NEVER get sick of Stolas's "turn down for what". Please continue to use it as often as possible. Love your work! Thank you for sharing it!
Its still a banging episode. But it was still really odd to see them so close after their fight in episode 7.
100% Agree with your take on the writing and pacing. I didn't see anyone else bring up how off it felt when it'd released so this is refreshing 😮💨
I would argue that Stolace had a slightly different dynamic with Blitz now. The sass Stolace gives Blitz during the phone number bit was unexpected. Up till that point he's gone along with what Blitz wants or uses that cutesy talk he mistakenly thinks Blitz likes. It felt like he was slightly less afraid of making Blitz hate him. He also didn't actively engage in dirty talk. I dont think he intended to have that effect on Blitz with the breathless line. Ironically it's when he's not trying to appeal to Blitz that Blitz finds him more hot.
I love the socially awkward owlboy. He's definitely trying to act like everything's fine to avoid conflict in this episode, but even then he "fails" to hold up to the standards of his previous interactions with Blitz. Seemlingly and hopefully for the better.
I would have liked to see an awkward moment between them. I'm hoping we'll get to see that in a future episode when Via isn't lost in the human world.
Yeah I felt like we missed something between this episode and where episode 7 left off. They were getting along a little too well for how things ended in episode 7. Perhaps something happened in episode 8 that we have yet to see? Not sure Vivzie and the crew said they are having copyright issues with it. So hope one day we will be able to see it. For now it feels like a plot hole is in the making.
I actually agree with all of your points, I thought there was something off about this episode when I watched it. Between disregarding the Ozzie's episode and the way humans are animated in this show in general, it just felt a little weird to me, like it didn't fit with the rest of the series.
Human Stolas radiated twink energy though, and Loona and Octavia finally got to meet so not all bad
And S2 ep2 was had some very emotional scenes and character development that I actually love, that made this episode my favorite.
5:16 Thanks for the translation. Makes spell casting much easier. 👌
XD
"If you're poor in hell the only options are to let people step all over you or square up"
Huh, not too different from earth.
For me, it almost feels like the Ozzie’s episode happened later- It doesn’t make a lot of sense but like think about it. Before Ozzie’s, these scenes make more sense and we have already seen time skips so… Also, this would be after Truth Seekers but also the hangover and yelling at Stella from Circus also happens later.
In regards to Stolas not doing anything magical to help find Octavia faster, he did say before the phone number bit that his powers would be severely limited on earth without the grimoire.
Your video always makes my day 😊
I really liked this analysis! It covered a lot of how I felt and expressed it in a lot more coherent of a manner!
I get what you mean, it was probably just wishful thinking on my part that a vital piece was missing
Also, on the calendar in the beginning of the new episode, you can see “stolas day” on a week before. There COULD have been a vague “makeup” and moved on with it.
About needing an episode without Blitz/Stolas; I wouldn't hold my breath for an episode without Blitz, but I think, based on the trailer, that we're gonna see a Moxxie/Millie centric episode. I say that because of the shark guy Moxxie can be seen with twice and the scene of Millie tearing people apart, who also seem to be shark demons.
I appreciate you putting the words to what I felt could be improved upon~ I couldn’t agree more with your assessment on it being a good episode with some sloppy writing/thru lines on this particular plot thread-higher stakes or one moment of tension would have tied it all together much better-that being said no creator is perfect and I don’t begrudge them wanting to fit all of the moments they did into it 💫
As much as I love, love Helluva Boss and love the high-emotion moments, I feel like at least part of the expectations that people have for things is based on the fact that we expect stories to be story-shaped, so we as viewers sort of fill in the blanks when story moments and character motivations don't quite line up quite right due to writing that isn't so much bad as it is inexperienced in plot throughlines, more concerned with setting up gags and beats than flowing consistently and seamlessly through character and plot arcs. So we, as viewers, have grown used to filling in blanks like "Oh, they must've talked at some point" or "I guess they worked this out offscreen" or "Oh, I guess THAT'S how that works".
There are moments in the show that really highlight character dynamics and relationships that feel real and moving, but then it's like everything goes out the window for a situation that seems wild and funny or a throwaway joke. Consistency in character, tone and direction is something that is probably helped by writers' rooms headed up by experienced showrunners, which this show lacks with it being a completely independent freelance and volunteer-heavy project. It seems like a real hodgepodge of "Hey, this seems cool!" behind the scenes, especially looking back at earlier episodes, and then we headcanon and theorycraft and cover the holes with stuff that makes sense for us as viewers.
Which isn't to say that the writing or the show is BAD, I love the show and I love the characters. It's just clearly kind of all over the place, sometimes, like an amateur work with a volunteer staff should probably be expected to be, and we maybe impose more justification and consistency on it from the outside as viewers than it actually has.
Great Analysis! Love it
I really love the way you analyze this series! As sometimes my tiny teenage brain has absolutely no clue how to piece together adult concepts XD
I loved this two part analysis about Blitzø and Stolas, I also really liked your "issue with m&m" video,
Idk if you've thought about it but I personally think it'd be really cool to see you do an analysis on the father daughter relationship of Loona and Blitzø!
ok but stolas getting excited about the red glasses as a fill in second pair of eyes was really funny and cute. but they defiantly needed an awkward moment between each other to show they really where just ignoring the situation
I’m so god damn involved in these shows and wanting to watch more content I’m finding myself accidentally rewatching your videos as they’re just on a loop in my recommended feed😂
I think the main reason why stolas did not teleport to wherever and just escape is coz juast a he said, hes weak in the human world without the book. I also notices that this is the only episode where stolas gets srsly mad at blitzo with no flirty tone except the *breathless* part
I understand that they really wanted to showcase season 2 as soon as possible, and that the S1 finale part 2 might be bigger than we think, but it feels really weird how we went from Blitz and Stolas having an argument to straight up being fine in the next episodes with no explanation
1:13 From the future. It was Kesha. Kesha was the legitimate reason. They literally got Kesha. Not just her song. But actually her. It was fire. You loved it. She wrote the song in the story. It changed literally nothing about season two it was a victory lap for vizzy and I think it was also a victory lap for Kesha considering her lawsuit was finally settled and she’s free to make music again… anyway continue
Something else that confused me was why Loona kicked Blitz after telling Octavia to go easier on her Dad. She should have at least let him hug her act like she was embarrassed it would have flowed better
I assume Loona did that because she, like Blitz, is kind of shit at emotions. She's able to give others relationship advice, but when it comes to actually putting it into action herself, she reacts negatively (for example, kicking Blitz) because it's her way of protecting herself from her own emotions and fears.
@@Morrynlupine I guess but dang if she was gonna reject him did she have to kick him in the nuts like damn. She could have been just as effective just holding his head a way with her hand jeez😅
@@Morrynlupine I hadn't looked at it that way before. You make a good point. She also gave Blitz a softer look at the end. It may take some time but I'm sure there will eventually be an episode where Loona and Blitz will hug.
This is the vid the got me into Helluva Boss. Thanks, man.
millie needs to feel like she's part of the main cast for at least 1 episode. even visiting her family was an episode that sidelined her for moxxie and Blitz.
It's like they decided to go back to the status quo to deal with Octavia's drama, without blitz and stoles getting in the way and taking the spotlight. I assume they'll deal with stolitz later because it doesn't seem like the type of thing that would or should be left out.
Stolas does say that he's less... Versatile? in the human world without his grimoire. Whether that's falling back on bodyguarding a badass or not is debatable. It also... Doesn't make a lot of sense to me... But I had to skip most of season one and haven't had the chance to binge.
Also, I want an episode that's just focused on Loona and Octavia.
From what we've seen of his powers as someone who has watched all of season 1 and what it exists 2, yeah it feels weird. He's shown to be quite capable magick wise without his book.
@@enderwalkgang admittedly there's the whole masquerade thing going on (which also doesn't make sense but ok)... Maybe all of his spells are too flashy and noticable?
@@Wanderingsage7 maube but like in the back of the van- he could just leave
i totally agree! i watched it twice and both times i thought it was done very strangely and super fast
i wish the episode was longer, it could've worked out some of the issues and made it feel less like whiplash
I was in the mindset that they put their argument in the back of their minds because they were looking for their daughter's. I could be wrong, but that's how I saw it
I wish this episode was just a girls trip. Like imagine if all the scenes with Stolitz were just of them running around, accidentally killing people, being frantic or whatever. Maybe Moxxie and Millie could have stayed back at the company to hold the fort down (they were already practically written out of the episode anyway, and I think the frantic antics of the dads being juxtaposed with either a boring day at the office or seamless and efficient teamwork from M&M would have been funny. Like after the episode everyone gets back and M&M would be like "oh great you found her! You wanna hear about our day?" And everyone is like "nah" even though it was a successful day for them lol). BUT ANYWAAYYYSS I wish the dad's were frantic, and possibly during a tense moment Blitz or Solas blow up at each other in a way that references the terrible date night, but then they kind of collect themselves and are like "this isn't about us right now, we need to find the girls". Luna and Octavia have their nice heart to heart alone, then the dads roll up as usual. Also kind of wish instead of Blitz rolling up to a sitcom that it was Stolas. Like how funny would it be that his human disguise looked a lot like an actual celeb? Like he can't escape fame no matter where he goes. And I think he'd give a stilted, unfunny delivery, and Blitz could support him by laughing for his sake cuz he knows what it's like when no one laughs. But also then we could have Blitz stumble into like... a horror movie or something. And he can be his gross, shock humor self, with the director encouraging his twisted performance, up until he gets too into and starts committing literal atrocities lmao. Then the dads gotta run outta there super fast haha. Like let's have Solitz roll up to their kids totally disheveled and beaten up and just totally exhausted, to show they've been panicking nonstop all day lol.
I think another important thing to point out is that throughout the episode they were always around other people. May it be Moxxie, Millie, Loona, Octavia or the cast of "Sweetie I'm in the house". They never really had a one on one moment to really talk about their relationship.
In my mind Stolas is not breaking out the demonic power freakout as that would also land Octavia in big trouble too for being in the human world without permission or a disguise. He’s trusting Blitz in what to do as he knows IMP has been doing business in the human world without being caught. Also for the end of the episode with the fireworks, they’ve seen demon power signals, but humans aren’t known to have that power in modern times. So I can excuse mistaking the fireworks as Azathoths’s Tears in this case.
This puts it so so well. I couldn't quite communicate what felt off in this, and I agree with the headcanon nature of trying to explain it. I feel an issue they're now facing is balancing that drama and comedy; it feels they're almost a bit afraid to fully embrace the angst and emotional weight of where the plot is heading.
I sincerely hope blitz gets so drunk to the point of help, to which loona rings stolas. This is when blitz and stolas have their talk