Millie's Still A Problem: Helluva Boss Season 2 Episode 3 Review
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Vizipop had a great thread on her thoughts on MIllie for those who are interested (and respectful)
twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1635001106874114049?s=20
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Any other topics from this episode you want me to talk about?
The one thing I feel like could use some discussion...we ever gonna get Moxxie being a badass on his own or is he constantly going to be saved by others?
Someone else in the comments to the actual episode brought up how they appreciated the Acknowledgment of how bisexual and Pan people usually just get lumped in as being gay or assumed that it's a phase.
I thought people couldnt really die in hell withought an angel weapon
@@MapleStarBlitz That's the royalty
@@lotharhex Yeah, I was going to mention in my own comment that, while it's cool and good to see Moxxie step up emotionally and verbally to his dad, we haven't had a lot of moments of Moxxie being badass yet. Seems like he's always getting bailed out. Granted, maybe he's not one for up close physical fights, maybe that is more in line with Blitzo/Millie/Loona's proficiencies, fine, but if he's the gun expert, I hope they lean into that eventually. Next time Crim (Or maybe another reoccurring antagonist, Striker round 2 would be good for this.) comes back, let he and Moxxie get into a duel at 20 paces or a shootout or something.
I’m starting to think the reason Millie is more well put together then everyone else in the main cast is because she doesn’t have daddy issues
Millie is literally the ONLY main character who doesn't have Daddy Issues.
Blitzo
Moxxie
Stolas
Octavia
Loona
ALL have Daddy issues. The mothers are far less important to their issues.
Seriously. Aside from her parents having high standards in the dating department, they're great. I mean she even has a trans sister and nobody in the family bats an eye over it.
I- You know what, that makes to much sence, SC, make this the pinned comment.
I know, this episode made me realize that. But, we do know that Millieand her sister, Sallie Mae, have a rivalry or just plain sibling one upmanship. That would make great drama. And also score points for trans representation which would be on brand for a show made by and for queer people.
@@jordanloux3883im pretty sure they ignore her being trans because it’s completely normalised in hell tbh
What's Milles personality?
-Loves Moxxi
-Feral
Don't forget "southern"
@@airplanes_aren.t_real that falls under "feral"
Who would win in a fight Millie or yor forger from spy x family, im betting on millie 😜
@@cinnamonbeanbaby444 idk, but Millie definitely has an advantage considering that she is used to fighting human and bigger sized opponents while dealing with a feral red gremlin is definitely new to Yor
@@G.F.SF55 I would say Millie because she can literally kick bullets, which gets her in a huge advantage, but that’s just my opinion
You know, I'm honestly starting to wonder if the reason Millie never gets character moments is not because she's a side character, but because unlike every other character the helluva writers are comfortable writing, she is a stable person with a semi-healthy background. Every other character we've seen the helluva boss writers really dive into has severe trauma and deep seated issues. What if they simply don't know HOW to write character development and motivations for characters who are more or less healthy and stable?
Millie more than deserves backstory and motivations for us to understand her better, but I'm starting to feel that the writers don't know how to approach that for her. It seems they wanted at least one main character who isn't a train wreck in the main posse, but in doing so perhaps they've pushed themselves outside of their comfort zone?
That could very well be the issue here. The writers have managed to write pretty tragic or seemingly tragic backgrounds for everyone while Millie remains as the odd one out. And maybe they just aren't sure how to pull it off considering what they've done before, it would be quite the switch from what they usually do. If they did, however, the question is how would a Millie centric episode pan out? Maybe it can be based on her past before she met Chaz or after, why she left Imp and when she first met Moxxie. In fact this could be an opportunity here to pull offa twist, have the episode start with Moxxie only to reveal more of Millie's background and just why she loves killing. Being a country Imp and being from Wrath, we learn she used to enjoy life but slowly grew tired and wanted more, and the thrill of being an assassin appealed to her more then anything. She tried free lancing but it was hardly a solid gig, so she opted to find work somewhere that could hire her. We could learn about her background as to why she fell in love with Chaz or if she had a partner before who broke her heart and so she struggled to find any love again until meeting Moxxie. Here we could see her be the one to make the first step and learn as to why she fell in love with Moxxie, and that being his kind heart. The episode could end off with Moxxie proposing in some hilarious scene set in a restaurant where we see them fight side by side and just how much a good team they are together. It ends with her accepting whilst she is stained with blood and they kiss, before we come back to the present and see her watching Moxxie when either he is sleeping or she I looking at a photo of their wedding and she smiles to herself. "Instead of a Imp, I was given love from an Angel." Could be a phrase used.
That legit has to be it
or thats the point since its fucking hell and she comes from a stable family. so there is no conflict in her upbringing. and she is a crazy bitch which they showed in the episode they go to her family home and say that she can't be in the competition because of the deaths she caused.
@@SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119 I feel like if her backstory is related to Moxxie, she still doesn’t get her “own” episode, because it’s still focused on how she met her BOYFRIEND 😭😭
Moxxies backstory doesn’t have anything to do with Millie
I think her backstory will inevitably involve Moxxie in some way, but I don’t think that’s an insult to her character or a bad thing in general, so long as it’s handled well. Moxxie’s back story showed us how he met Blitzø, but people obviously don’t accuse it of being too Blitzø centric. Surely Millie and Moxxie will meet in her backstory. My assumption is a lot of her conflict will revolve around feeling restless in life, after all a lot of her dialogue and her origin demonstrates she comes from a very different life than she lives now. Perhaps Moxxie was what allowed her finally settle into something stable. That doesn’t have to come with deep trauma or anything. Instead it’s a journey to find fulfillment, and she finds that in the work she does and the relationship she has. Tbh, that’s a pretty common life story for peoplr, it’s not at all insulting to find value and joy in simple things like that.
It seems that each episode so far has covered in some way how each character met Blitzo. Stolas first seeing him at the circus, Loona being adopted by him, and now Moxxie sharing a cell with him. If the pattern continues, then Millie should at least get a flashback to how she met him in the next episode. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me
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Blitz is the glue that holds the team together
@@harveyanimations8974 yeah ... That's definitely white sticky glue... Nothing else.
@@shelbyholcombe8731 it’s metaphorical stop making it weird
@@harveyanimations8974 NEVER!
Millie's "how I met your father" story would be hilarious if she was luna's babysitter.
Omg thats a great idea
I want this to be canon so badly.
Well, if anyone can handle Loona its Millie.
Thst would be a great Origin story episode for Millie. She leaves her family farm looking for work on hard times, and along comes Blitz needing a babysitter...
That would make so much sense!
Moxie has gotten like four episodes at this point, EVEN THE EPISODE DESIGNED FOR "VISITING *MILLIE'S* PARENTS IS A MOXIE CENTRAL EPISODE
Moxxie is officially the writers' pet character and you can't convince me otherwise.
@Bruh yeah, at this point we've gotten enough. He should step down, and let us learn abt other characters 🗿
Still, he doesnt do much and doesnt get "spotlight" moment, he still feels like he doesnt change and keeps being scared of everything
Because Millie was tacked on at the last minute. The show was originally supposed to just be Moxxie, Blitzo and Stolas.
@@Syber2.0 Yeah, that bothers me too. "Moxxie learns to stand up for himself" is nothing new.
I did love how Millie was noticeably angrier at Chaz when she learned he did Moxxie dirty.
Noticeably is one way of putting it.
In my opinion the harvest moon festival SHOULD HAVE been a Millie episode more than a moxie trying to prove himself to her family 3:10 which I feel like you explained perfectly despite the short amount of time it was mentioned
(Edit) holy hell thanks for 1k likes
She was cheated in that episode. Like she was badass then that episode she was taken down easily. My gurl got cheated
Vivzie did say on her thread that she wasn't planning on making a Millie focused episode just yet, since she is focusing more first on the main cast. Millie isn't a part of the main cast, but she will at least get one episode to herself, just not yet.
@@okami_rain2884 I also hated how Harvest Moon Festival's main thing was, basically, "Moxxie getting kicked to the curb, lol!" It wants to play it for drama, but at the same time for laughs, and then, at the final fight against Striker, Loona kicks a door into Moxxie's face to allow Striker's escape! The "nod of approval" by Millie's dad, for me, was TOO LITTLE, to late.
@@undertakernumberone1 the fight felt really 1 sided and the thw other episodes, most of the time, Millie kicks every one butt to save the day. Was there like a training montage we missed after that episode or something? Tho I still like the episode and the crew. I guess they just wanted him to escape for later. I still feel bad for Moxie being the butt of most of the jokes. Tho I guess it was be weird when not? Idk
@@captainjeans I think it’s more of an explanation of why she’s just generally a violent person with a healthy relationship who’s well-adjusted.
Hopefully the season trends mean Millie is getting an episode focused on her soon. It should have already happened
Saw someone on the subreddit say that vivziepop has confirmed more focus on Millie. I'm currently just happy to see Moxxie get proper development and not be the joke of the episode.
We should or will get a fizzarolli backstory
@@Blake_is_weird We're definitely getting more Fizz.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 OMG YAY
@@maltemejlstrup4746 Noice!
Pensuke: Contract?
Literally after the episode I realised we got to see Moxie's backstory with Chaz but NOT Millie's, and I was so pissed.
Honestly same, why would they mentioned that Chaz and her were a thing at one point if it wasn’t going to have an impact on the plot?
That’s what I thought. Why even make him her ex too if we get no follow up. They really need to give Millie her own spotlight.
Who cares
All we really had to know was explained right away as the episode started. Millie and Chaz did NOT part ways on good terms which only got worse when she found out he abandoned Moxxie when he needed him to help him most. Millie would have made sure Moxxie got out even if it was her that was thrown in jail because she could escape on her own anyway with her primal fighting spirit and brutalizing force of nature fighting style.
ON GODDDDD. i need to know what Chaz did that made Millie so pissed at him (talking abt before knowing that moxxie also dated him btw)
Crim: "We need Chaz's money"
Also Crim: _rigs the whole mansion with remote opperated, self-thrusting d**dos all over every wall and chair_
Honestly... it probably wouldn't be that expensive.
I think it's less "need" as in "we're doing bad financially" and more "we want all the money".
That scene made me uncomfortable
yeah i dont think they need money because they brok or have financially it more of they need money because they greedy and do anything to get richer more
I really hope this is leading up to something big. Like Millie feeling like she can only protect people and can’t show her problems, but she’s shown no signs of it so it’d be kind of out of the blue.
I really hope Millie gets something other than “badass girl”, which I love don’t get me wrong, but she needs more depth into how much she cares in non-violent ways.
Do you read her tweets?
@Pastie Sugar relying on external source(s) to spill character information isn't a good way to build characterization
@@blood_gushers6442 You misunderstood why they were asking. Vivzie tweeted that she's going to do Millie-centric episodes, but it's frustrating that people aren't patient and that they ignore the character traits Millie does have in favor of saying her personality is just "Moxie's wife." Your comment illustrates the problem; people are too quick to judge so they come to a false conclusion.
@@g.s.651 Idk. We’ve been through a season and a quarter without a Millie episode. If you ask me, I feel like the rodeo episode from S1 should have focused more on Millie since it was an episode with HER family in it.
@@redballoon9007 I think the difference is the source. The family is the source of the trauma and baggage of these characters, but clearly that isn’t the case for Millie, so when we got her family, it was more about their relationship. When we do get Millie ep. It will probably explain what she has, to be equal to the cast in trauma, since her family isn’t traumatizing (at least on the surface)
Client: ok I get it, all of you have daddy issues
Millie: I don't, I love my dad(montage of Millie and dad having fun and life lessons)my dad's fucking awesome
I swear that's the only character conflict that Vivzie is interested in using for her cast. Millie doesn't have that, so she has no real struggles as a character.
@Planet Zoidstar Yeah it's kind of odd. Only time the show's tackled bad mother figures is with Solas' ex-wife (forgot her name).
I got the ref tehe
@@gamemediafan1714 Stella
YESSSS! this is exactly how they should solve this problem lol
I think the problem with Millie is that she doesn’t have any flaws to poke at to drive a story revolves around her, unlike Moxxie’s insecurities, Luna’s loneliness, and Blitzo’s…everything.
Her anger could be used, but seeing as so far the show has only ever treated it as a joke or something good, I don’t see that happening or being believable.
Yeah, She has a severe "Applejack" problem, if the episodes are built on character flaws, the character who doesn't have them (or they aren't treated as such) just.....can't get episodes.
What would a Millie episode be ABOUT that wouldn't feel out of left field?
The only thing I can think of is maybe there comes a situation where she becomes the damsel in distress and Moxxie has to save her for once? Or even like... she tries to do something alone and can't quite handle it, but tries to push through specifically because it's "my problem, Mox, I didn't want to get you involved." And then by Moxxie coming to help her anyway she realizes she babies Moxxie a bit too much, and that she's become too much of a protector to him rather than equal partners? Maybe there's an argument about how she subconsciously thinks he's incapable of things? Idk.
It's like Toph from ATLA, where there's very little character development because the character doesn't necessarily NEED it. And imo there's nothing wrong with having a character like that, not everyone HAS to go through a world-altering arc to become completely changed, but at the same time I can understand why the gimmick of "Moxxie gets in trouble, Millie goes feral and saves him" is getting old. Because I also was really, REALLY hoping Moxxie would follow through on his incredibly well-done threat towards his father...
@@woomod2445 maybe before the show started Millie’s anger was a lot worse and the anger we’ve seen so far is her controlled anger? Maybe try to find where it stems from, maybe have something to say on the nature of anger and how it can be a good thing since anger is normally seen as only a negative emotion to hold down and never release? Then again this is hell so I doubt anyone cares.
Maybe instead Millie’s intense outbursts are a way of counterbalancing her otherwise cheerful nature?
Again, all I have to work on is her anger, which again isn’t a problem. Luna went on a rampage in the previous episode tearing stuff up and all M&M did was watch while calmly drinking coffee/tea.
@@sarcasticat6979 regarding Toph, at least she had friction with other characters like Katara (the driving force of at least two episode of I recall correctly) and with Aang. Millie supposedly has a problem with Luna, but this has never been expanded upon. So I suppose that could be a good episode to focus on Millie to explain the animosity between them (unless the dislike is just because Luna Billie Moxxie which just falls back into the “protective of Moxxie” trait. But it would be better than nothing
Perhaps we could explore issues or flaws of hers from the past, with another ex-partner, or failed friendship. Maybe she has some kind of regret.
Viv actually just tweeted an entire thread about the Millie issue you’ve been talking about (and I agree with your points about it). She said that there’s going to be more Millie focused episodes eventually this season, but that the reason why she hasn’t had one for her in the released show yet is because the series is written and centered around Blitzo. As such, Moxxie, Luna and Stolas play off of him the most which is why their focuses made sense at the time. This makes sense, but I’m glad we will have more Millie focus soon.
I mean its name is a word play. Helluva boss. Hell Of A Boss and hes their boss. Its easy to forget, but the shows supposed to be about him. But i think there should also be more millie too
@@onyxium7102 tbh I thought the show was gunna be like the office considering how the pilot went
It’s supposed to be centered around Blitzo? Because lately it’s been feeling just “all of the characters minus Millie.”
@@devalue7064 I don't see her that way at all. Sure, she's relatively stable and supportive like you said, but there's more to her than that. She's clever, thinks on her feet, and used those skills to talk down the succubi in one episode after taking down the monster fish on her own. She's cheerful and has a zest for life as we see just in general. She's not sullen or troubled, but she's also emotionally intelligent, which is not always a quality you see with cheery characters.
ahh so thats why everyone up till season 2 has had past relations with blitzo
Ok hear me out, in the very first episode we saw that she doesn’t care about human lives at all, seeing them as merely targets. She’s also quite violent in her fighting style. It would be nice to see Millie-centered episode about how she trained to become so strong and why is she so ruthless especially towards humans, that would be interesting
? we already know why she's so strong tho. She grew up in wrath and would compete in the 'roughest, toughest, bastard in Wrath' games. Like, she's literally from violence the place
She's not just human lives she's disregarding. The reason she's not allowed to compete in Wrath is because she killed 9 people during a single event. Millie is literally a berserker that looses all chill the moment she's "seeing red".
Working as an assassin is probably the most socially accepted way for her to earn a living those violent tendencies.
I’m starting to think Vivzie genuenly has no idea what Millie‘s backstory is 💀
They'll figure it out.
And that Vivzie might have extreme daddy issues, if the father characters lately have shown me anything.
Is she not interested or something? What's the holdup?
Why add Millie if she’s not going to have a backstory they could have just kept the original 3 characters and the show could run just fine
@@tylere.8436 That's none of our business to speculate about
I think one great way they could do Millie justice would be to put her in a situation where violence can’t solve the problem as I think that would allow some flashback potential and also some genuine character development.
counterpoint, what situation cant be solved with Millie Violence? she got away from dorks with violence
@@aviowl8945 a hostage situation, stranded without moxie or anyway back to imp, loses a fight in a terrifying way, or various forms of chicken nuggets
@@marcgid1174 they only have one hostage?
What kind of plan is that if they kill the hostage they don’t have any hostages anymore
@@aviowl8945 very true but what if moxie
YESYYEYSYES
We get it. She has the Ochako problem where her whole personality is "I'm attached to this person. I no longer have agency of my own without my boo".
Perfect way to summarize it.
Millie is much more fleshed out than Uraraka in a lot of aspects though.
@@_th3lunarch1ld_ Eh, both ain't great, but at least we know how Uraraka interacts with other people and other interests besides her love interest. Millie barely interacts with anyone besides Moxxie.
Nah, the thing with millie is that she is the straight man of the show, everyone is batshit traumatized and has a fuck ton of daddy issues... except millie; she is supposed to be the reliable girl and the only time she doesn't win (striker) the whole crew loses
She has the Retsuko/CJ problem where she's really fleshed out on the surface, strong and whatnot, then as soon as the guy gets in the picture all that personality gets flushed down the toilet - except with Millie the guy's already attached to her.
@@_th3lunarch1ld_ No way, Uraraka is definitely way more fleshed out than Millie
I hope we get a Millie episode soon. I wanna find out why she's so protective and good at fighting.
they already showed why she is so good at fighting when they went to the harvest festival. she was not allowed to compete because of how feral she went and led to the death of 9 people. so she obviously competed in the harvest festival many times. and trained for it.
@@Stackali that may or may not be true. But we'll never know with %100 certainty cuz it's never outright said or shown in the show, which is why we still can't say much abt Millie as a character regarding certain things about her..
she just is. its annoying because lots of people want her to go thru shit things, its really annoying. not every character needs trauma and shit.
@@-syo-You don’t need trauma to have struggles
never said u did@@moaharbor
I was so hoping that during the wedding scene that Millie would have cut Moxie free at some point and the best boy would pull out fully packing with fire arms and the two of them go full Ballroom dance fight so we could see how in sync they are together and maybe have Millie say something along the lines of "This reminds me of our engagement!" And Moxxie going "You know you're right! Wanna get married again?"
That would've been some funny dialogue.
I like what we got better, that would be wayyy to cliche and they’ve done something exactly like that like 4 times already in the show..
@@horseconfused I feel like what we got was way too much. I usually enjoy the fight scenes but this one was just… a lot. The d1ld0s don’t help the situation. They leaned too far into the “ooo wow shocking look it’s gore!! woah!!!” imo
To each their own for sure but I wasn’t a fan of this episode, especially the fight scene :P
@SketchUT Yeah, I kinda wish they had done away with those, especially after Moxxie's mother's shoe was revealed. It really felt like it took away from that scene to me. Sure, they could keep them in for the original gag, but I think Crimson should've gotten rid of them after.
You should go on writing the show I would absolutely love it
I swear, if that's how Moxxie and Millie met, that would be hilarious and amazing. Her being Loona's babysitter would also make the line "You're pretty agile for an old lady." that much funnier
HUNTERRRR
I never thought of Blitz and Stolas as exclusive. They use eachother and starting to catch feels but Blitz couldn't call Stolas his BF and hot angry when Millie said that. It's very Blitz to just do this random horseless friend just to get a chance to see what M&M like in bed. That line went perfect on him
Yes
I ADORDE Millie as a character. She's the most mentally healthy/stable character in, well,, hell. She's a perfect combo between adorable, wholesome and absolutely brutal!! I really want to see her more exactly because she's a mentally healthy character, which could even out the tone more and show that people can be deep AND healthy at the same time! I'd love that
The fact that Millie has had such an amazing glowup in her job/murdering is honestly an amazing detail. She "single-handedly" killed so many people from the Mafia, but in episode 1 of season 1 she was easily defeated. It’s amazing!!!
She’s either lifting or juicing inbetween episodes. There’s no way she pulled a sub-zero fatality without major practice.
Right? Episode 6 sent chills down my spine. GO MILLIE!
@@vergilthewolf3619 What? I didn't realize that it's hard to pull someone's skull out of their head.
@@redengineer4380 am I the only one who knows how Millie actually pull their skulls out of their body
So will she be able to take down Striker easily? Because Striker and Blitzo seems to be evenly matched.
Moxxie's Mom would have loved to see Millie and Moxxie together.
She was such a caring mother 😇🙏
I love the dialogue they give Moxie up until he stands up to his father, Moxie tells Millie he'll tell her about his father "later" and he'll join her upstairs "in a minute" to finding out they'll be staying in separate rooms that it'll "just be a night" you can tell Moxie is letting his father separate him from everyone he was with until he's able to stand up for himself and tell his father that he won't go through with the wedding.
As someone's who's felt what moxxie has felt towards a parent, this episode felt real and raw to me and empathized with Mox all the way. His fear, his anxiety, it all clicked with me and was an all too familiar mix of emotions. Wasn't comfortable to realize what his backstory was about, but I'm glad it was shown. Great episode.
I loved the very subtle piece into Biltz' ongoing obessession with M&M
After sleeping with Chaz, Biltz still doesn't understand how he landed either Mille or Moxie when he's that bad in bed. Blitz only pokes around to find something else.
That actually says alot about how little Biltz understands how relationships should work. He fails to understand that M&M simply have a strong emotional connection, rather that a physical one.
Yeah, Sleeping with their ex is as close to sleeping with Moxxie and Millie as Blitz will ever get.
I didn’t even hear the part where blitz was telling chaz to slow down, and it KILLED ME because I knew off the bat he was gonna be bad in bed, but I was too distracted by chaz moaning to hear blitz 😭😭
The only bad thing about the episode is that you can still sum up Millie as Moxxie’s wife. 😭 Let the queen have something else.👑
When the furry bait has more development than you- you know your character has a problem.
@@valentinkambushev4968 "The furry bait" 🤣 but seriously, Millie needs more focus. An episode about how she grew up and how she discovered her love of killing or something.
I wish she got more of a mini background story plot like blitz did. since while it was moxie centric, bltiz still got to do something that didn't distract too much from the plot while also keeping his own personality but millie this whole episode stayed the same :^(
@@valentinkambushev4968 You can keep calling her that, but that doesn’t make it true that that’s all she is.
@@chanelleeddins4758 I mean, going back to Spring Broken "You know the kind of FREAKS up their that would drool all over you" _dramatic pause as they all stare into your SOUL!_
Wish we gotta hear more about her ex and her struggles instead of always being the “girl that saves man that hopelessly pines for her all the time.”
I’d like to see moxie contribute a little on the fighting aspect. We’ve seen Millie fight a massive monster, and now a mafia gang, where is Moxie’s shining moment where he can show the influence she has on him? I’m just hoping a future episode we’ll really see if moxie is also willing to do ANYTHING to save Millie.
I’ve always liked the girlboss x malewife trope, but it feels like Millie deserves a little more attention and moxie deserves to not always be the helpless hostage that Millie swoops in and rescues.
Agreed, I mean, he's a professional killer, we should see more of his moves.
Moxxie gets to tell the whole story of how he met Chaz, fell in love, then got betrayed by him. It explains Moxxie's disdain at the sight of Chaz.
Millie on the other hand is furious at Chaz throughout most of the episode. She even tries to kill him at one point but doesn't make any mention as to why. What did Chaz do to piss her off that bad?
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I genuinely love how they wrote Crimson. He's a cunning mafia businessman who doesn't care about who he kills or what he does as long as it benefits him. But the absolute best part that sunk that in was when it showed that he straight up killed Chaz. I genuinely did not expect this, because it seemed like he was going to be set up as another antagonist for the series in some fashion. Like one of those villains that keeps on showing up in the crew's endeavors. But the fact that they just suddenly killed him was absolutely fantastic, it makes Crimson seem like so much more of a threatening force which was exactly what we needed.
Cunning? Dude is the most absolutely brainless excuse for a mafioso I've ever seen. Everyone says 'how did Chaz survive this long', but how did Crim?
@@TheDapperDragonFrom what I can tell, he did that to Chaz himself so if he’s able to kill someone bigger than him and get their teeth out; don’t fuck with that person. Also, you can’t tell me his workers did it. He and Chaz were the only ones left at that wedding, so Crim killed Chaz right then and there. Plus; We saw how many people he dumped into that ocean too, He probably does that job by himself but only brought Moxxie along so that Moxxie would be more cold-blooded
I like how accurate of a mafioso he was. A lot of people were like "oh moxxie couldn't show off how awesome he is by the dad saying OK I respect your decision." If he was the kind of man that had that kind of honor and respect, moxxie wouldn't have been in this situation in the first place. That's really how a ruthless mob boss would behave.
@@coolio104 In what way? His utter refusal to check up on the unsubstantiated claims from someone he knew was a shiftless asshole? His refusal to check vehicles coming near him? His insistence on being an honest man?
I think he takes his trophies before he kills them. The guy who got dumped in the ocean had his horns hacked off. I haven’t seen an imp/demon with flat horns yet. Which probably means Chaz lost his jaws BEFORE he died.
Honestly, there has to be at least a moment that’s just for Millie rather than seeing her always saving Moxxie from danger.. she’s still a character that has potential and could further her character development along the way..
I miss how she was in the pilot, kind of sucking up to Blitz as an employee. With money being a recurring issue for her (her background, her job, hating Chaz for trying to tout on about being rich), she could have a thing about wanting to be a successful career person trying to make a better life for her and Moxxie. Someone noting how good she is at murder and trying to hire her out for a better job could be a fun conflict
And in that vein, even though this was a Moxxie episode, and the whole thing was building up to Moxxie standing up to and denying his father, in the end he still fucked up and had to have Millie come and save him.
Like you'd think if there isn't gonna be Millie development, they'd at least develop Moxxie some more, right? But no, he just fell right back into his stereotype of being the screwup and butt of the joke. Literally they could have done either and chose neither.
@@WildArtichokes Exactly. Like if they wanted to make episode 3 a Moxxie episode so badly, then what was the point of the writers making Moxxie tell his dad he's grown a spine over the years if they're not even gonna show it? They could've easily done so by having Moxxie be the one to save Millie this time and hell, this could've made Moxxie a real badass for once.
Millie has SO MUCH POTENTIAL.
i'm sincerley hoping they see this and make a millie episode. we all need it.
I like that Millie's not that complicated. Not every character needs traumatic past or unresolved issues. She's just wholesome violent fun.
That said, I'd be happy to have one episode focus on the girls. Either Millie, Roxy & Octavia combining efforts or maybe a Millie & Sally May road trip.
I agree. Though, I would like if we got like a flashback to when she and Chaz were together and some character development. Also who's Roxy?
she doesn’t need severe trauma, but she doesn’t need to be the rage and wrath-filled savior that saves Moxxie all the time either. If everyone else gets to have a buildup to what makes them present, Millie should too, especially when she’s the only one who hasn’t been shown how she met Blitzo yet. she doesn’t need to be complicated, but she should have something. given that she’s angry as hell, they could be building off of that instead of making her this hotheaded bomb whenever Moxxie is in danger. she’s an absolute sweetheart of a woman, but she deserves better writing and just more stuff for her fans to like about her.
it’s easy to say millie doesn’t need anything, but she does. it’s just poor writing to have her exist as a borderline side character doing the same stuff when she’s supposed to be part of the main characters. it just wrings her out and it’ll only be a matter of time before it REALLY starts bothering people, as she’s now seen as a violent mary sue wife type. millie needs some sort of build like everyone else, because it’s realistic and easier to write her with it, considering they’re in hell so no one obviously has it easy. she deserves it
I don't think she has to have a traumatic past, either; in fact, I think it'd be refreshing for her not to. Let her have a rather good upbringing on the farm with her folks. That being said, she definitely needs a conflict that makes her feel more like a person and less a cardboard cutout.
@@NancyIsTheName I think they meant Loona. I'd guess they called her Roxy from the fact that Loona and Roxanne Wolf from Fnaf security breach look alike.
@@Tok07 I disagreed with you.
Imagine if Millie’s episode comes out and it blows everyone’s minds with how amazing and well-built it is so much that we all feel better about her being shafted. Doesn’t seem likely but I’m holding out hope.
EDIT: Vivziepop’s tweet thread about her did make me feel a little better. I hope whatever she gets is worth it.
It's what we (and Millie) deserve
Sounds like heavy copium, but I don’t blame you (or anyone); we need this!
s3 ep3 is my guess
I just hope the episode isn't solely around just her being like "Is Moxxie in danger? If no, act sweet. If yes, go apeshit"
Like an episode where she actually does something independent of him is sorely needed. Or hell, if you must include him, maybe have them fight over a disagreement. Yes they want these 2 to contrast Blitz by being a perfect lovey dovey couple but even a little friction would be good if it told us more about them.
@@caldw615 Moxxie's storylines don't revolve around Millie so I really hope her episodes get the same treatment. Moxxie can play the supporting role like she does for his storylines.
Even the episode involving Moxxxie’s dad just ends with Millie killing everybody, she can’t be the hero everytime💀
Fr she saves moxies ass every episode
This episode actually highlighted very well what the downside is of refusing to give Millie's character anything but the badass feral wife treatment.
This episode centered around the horrible abuse her husband suffered from since childhood from his abusive parent and how far Moxxie has come since then to cut himself free from that and finding a loving wife and a life that makes him happy.
The concept (and most of the execution) of this episode where Moxxie's abuser forces him back into the family and his wrath is amazing and by itself, I do not at all mind the fact that Crimson stopped his son's moments of standing up for himself and that Moxxie needed to be saved from him. Highly abusive parents are not a story trope to overcome just to look cool, a victim needing help to escape the person who has hurt them and had their toxic hands in the child's brain ever since birth IS NOT degrading for the abuse victim. It rather shows how horrible the parent is that an outside force is needed to save the kid/person the parent was supposed to love and protect.
BUT. This is where Millie's underdeveloped character causes damage and ironically is turned into the very factor that not only undermines the child abuse and the victims her own husband represents, unfortunately now the loving partner's portrayal is used to deliberately sideline and even RIDICULE the victim. Any loving partner who is the Millie to their abused Moxxie should NOT want a portrayal like this in this kind of context and conflict. Especially if it is once again executed in a way you couldn't get away with if the genders where switched :/
Since Millie is such an underdeveloped character the show doubled down on keeping her portrayal the same way as always in the "save Moxxie from the wedding scene" and this included that everyone - INCLUDING MOXXIE - was not allowed to to do anything cool because it could take away from how badass she is in battle bc these are one of the few moments she gets dedicated to HER. The problem with that is that _Jesus fucking CHRIST, _*_someone else's abuse is not a stage for you TO LOOK COOL!_*
But that's what happened. In concept, it's not bad that Moxxie needed to be saved from his abuser. Abusers are the worst and most dangerous things in their victims lives. But simply by the nature of Millie's writing we all know exactly that the reason for why Moxxie was taken out wasn't to primarily to highlight the nature of dangerous abusers, it happened to give Millie a free stage to look cool and play the hero. It's clear as day taht the fighting happened for MILLIE'S sake and not for the abuse victim in his abusers wrath.
If it had the fight wouldn't have swept Moxxie under the rug and had Crimson act as a threat to his son's life. Moxxie was fully at his mercy, this could have been a great moment of the awful abuser vs loving protector of the victim coming face to face where the parent gives up the victim at their mercy because they realize they can't get away with their abuse now the way they did earlier because the victim has since then found a strong and supportive love which can now save them.
Buuuuuuut we couldn't give that moment the proper credit in emotional impact because Millie's is a comedic character while also being yet another "strong" female character where fighting skills and gender-subversion equals personality to a solid degree. So instead of the impactful moment all (male) abuse victims and their loving (female) partners deserve where the victim gets saved in dignity and agency, Millie is made to leave Moxxie tied up, throw him over her shoulder and slap his ass while saying to his abuser "This ass is mine!"
I don't care how funny you think this was (it REALLY isn't. *Please* let male abuse victims have dignity and don't make them the butt of the joke for their female partner "empowerment". For fucks sake leave abuse victims out of that! Especially if you already refuse to let the female partner be her own damn character besides being his wife!), after how well the rest of tbe episode did with Moxxie's and Crimson's dynamic that moment was awful to watch imo. Abusers humiliate, don't write the loving partners doing the same right in front of the abusers eyes!!!
YES THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS INTO WORDS
It was so weird to me that the whole episode was focused around Moxxie's relationship with his family, and the difficulty in communicating with Millie without putting her in danger, and all sorts of actual problems (that were honestly kinda relatable)
And then he can't actually do anything in the whole ending? It's just a montage of Millie killing a bunch of people without even looking at her husband once (especially weird when, like, part of why their relationship was so successful after Moxxie's abusive upbringing was respect and support). I actually appreciated Blitzo's actions this episode because at least he was interesting without overshadowing the plot, but everything serious got thrown out the window just for a 'Millie being a badass' compilation
And yeah, the "this ass is mine" bit was so fucking uncomfortable for me. Like the whole thing was about how Moxxie's father doesn't respect him and abuses him (not to mention Chaz and all the sexual harassment), then Millie just pulls THAT!?!? Like where is the respect? Can we not let him maintain some basic dignity? Getting stuffed into a wedding dress and nearly forced to marry his shitty ex, then getting his ass slapped and carried off like he's not even a person!?!?!?!? WTF
I feel like its even made worse, by their choice to put Moxxie in a dress, making him a literal damsel in distress, as well as the choice in music. They play some punk girl empowerment song while Millie is slaughtering everyone. They fully knew what they were doing. It was simply an excuse to show off how bad ass Millie is. They basically wanted to reverse the gender stereotype of the man saving the girl, and have a total girl boss moment. Which I find conflicting, because on the one hand, it was a cool scene and I like Millie kicking ass. But here it just felt forced, and it overshadows the actual plot, about Moxxies trauma.
Also I dont get why Crimson didnt just shout out, "Yo lady, stop right now or I will slit his throat." Like, that would have stopped her in her tracks.
Oh, so *that's* why it pissed me off a little bit that they couldn't have them fight Crimson together - because Millie is the equivalent of an Irish stereotype - her personality boils down to "fights a lot." and Moxxie's abuse turns into a sideshow.
@@ZillaTheTegu Honestly, Crimson's whole mafia operation bugs me because after learning that actual mafiosos don't kill their wives - one of their biggest rules is around family - I'm left thinking how the fuck Hell's mafia runs and/or why it's actually stupider than a human mob would be by willy-nilly murdering everyone like schoolyard bullies with wedgies for looking at Crimson the wrong way.
Like, I get it, Greed ring and shit, but God, it's like Viv watched only the cool, gory parodies of mafia movies and called it a day.
@@eatatjoes6751 I guess it all hinges on, if Crimson is actually good at being a mafia boss or not.
My personal biggest complain in this episode was that even after Moxxie says "I am leaving Dad, and If you try to stop me you'll learn firsthand how good I've gotten at my job" he is knocked out and has to be saved. The fight scene was great but I think Moxxie should have been the one to fight for himself and not have Millie save him again.
I would have just given him a moment where he kills the guards trying to knock him out and gets overpowered when he has to go hand to hand with his dad.
EXACTLY. These are my thoughts!!!
Yea like why build that up with the animation change and everything just to under cut it.
Also i just couldnt take his dad seriously as a mob boss. Doesnt feel like he has power or connections. He had to trick his son into coming back so he can have him marry someone he hates into the family cause they need money. Hes a pretty crap crime lord of he is that poor
Based on the ending, it seems like Crimson’s not out of the story yet and is gonna be targeting Moxxie, so maybe he’ll get his moment when that happens
@@kinroga well it's never too much of money you know. Also maybe he doesn't need to be really cool boss, maybe his empire is already falling and all he has left is his rage for his son. Tho you can't tell me Chazz really managed to fool him like I mean have you seen Chazz?
I got a cool idea for a Millie episode/fanfic where Moxxie is leaving for at least a few hours for some much needed guy time (whatever that means for Moxxie and whoever he hangs out with that day) and Millie is having trouble adjusting to being alone, rather than almost always with him, so she has to figure out (possibly with help) what exactly she likes to do that Moxxie may or may not enjoy that much
Or maybe make an episode that shows what millie does in her spare time, maybe she plays hell golf as a hobby but gets competitive when someone insults her skills, maybe she and loona go have some fun in the city or a different circle of hell(fertile ground for world building)
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Yeah, Blitz would have to threaten Millie before she would ever hang out with our Loonie.
@@Ruby3P assuming Millie would even be scared of Blitzø
I could see Millie and Verosika becoming friends. Like perhaps they start off hating eachother (since Verosika is jealous that Millie's relationship turned out alot better than hers), but they go through some shenanigans and end up as friends. Who both don't like Blitzo (since he mistreats Moxxie and screwed over Verosika.).
@@PlanetZoidstar or, they explore that weird superiority complex Millie has with hellhounds like Loona.
*I know the show has been setting that up don't you fuck with me.*
Millie lore I think could be deeply well explored by showing how and why she left wrath, her family, and fell into the life she’s in now, rather than a ‘family or daddy issues’ episode. Because it’s clear Millie has rather… deeply changed from a ranch girl to a literal goth assassin
I loved Crim in this episode. That scene with him and Moxxie in the room alone was so fucking intense. He is ruthless and menacing, pure evil.
Unlike a lot of critics I actually found him being so easily duped by Chaz to be extremely realistic. People like Crim think they is are master strategist's because they surround themselves with dumb yes-men who act tough but can't fight for shit. Watching him get surprised and pissed off when Millie slaughters his entire crew in front of him was so cathartic.
I also think its a case of 'who the hell would be dumb enough to lie to me like this.'
I love that woman, i really hope she gets more char development
Thats funnt xD was that a reference?
That woman is a scarey woman but she deserves most respect
I always thought that since Millie had the most healthy relationships with her family and past (especially compared to every other character lmao) she’d could’ve been somewhat of a crutch character for them.
When another character has something they need to get off their chest, they’d go to her first for advice or comfort. If that was her character, we could’ve gotten an episode where she feels pressured to help everyone with their insecurities and how it’s weighing down her own mental health. Or how she’s constantly supporting others, but doesn’t want to ask others for support thinking that it could cause them more problems.
Maybe these problems would stem so deep she doesn’t even tell Moxie because Millie herself doesn’t recognize them as problems since she’s so used to her supporting role.
I kinda like that Millie seems to have healthy relationships. Instead of Millie having burnout maybe a plot revolving around her keeping her boundaries and the others, due to circumstances, trying to get her to bend them. More inspirational.
But i'm a sucker for ''characters that don't need to change, the best they can do is keep their good qualities''.
this is just willows two second moment from TOH
For the most part, Millie has a healthy relationship with her parents, but we see that she doesn't really like her sister. I think an episode about her sibling relationship would be nice or one about how she met moxie or blitz
@@mmesoma783 I mean, she isn't shown to actively hate her sister but more like annoyed and irritated because of her comments towards Moxxie and her teasing Millie being banned from the Harvest moon Pain games. Which to be fair teasing and being very angry with your siblings is very normal.
@@shiyoshi7435 I never said Millie hated her sister, more of a dislike from getting teased by her. While I definitely agree this is normal for siblings to do, I just thought it would be nice to see a little bit of their feud when they were younger especially since the show has mentioned little incidents between them
After one of the reveals being Chaz being both their Exes, I was downright surprised they didn't even touch Millie's past with him.
Then it sort of dawned on me that maybe Millie is just the power fantasy trope. After even Stolas, aka Blitzo's affair is given backstory to a point where you'd mistaken him for a main character, I think Millie just preserving this mystery has value to it. Like, it's not a mistake at this point, just ride it the full nine yards - Millie is Star Platinum, the Megazord, this font of glorious violence that shows up and does the things and everything deeper about them is implied. I'd actually be on board with it if she was a pure power fantasy, but her other defining trait being Moxxie's plus 1 is what I think is the entire problem with her, since it's a trodden objectification trope.
Moxxie was also done dirty. He finally stands up to his father, promises that he will show him that he is no longer the meek subordinate, he will shoot his face off if he has to.
.... Immediately gets apprehended and Millie saves the day. They could've at least let him kill his father, or at least beat him within an inch of death to prove that he isn't like him.
But no, we need returning villians! We need girlbosses to girlboss!
The worse part is that the writers are very well aware of Millie getting shortchanged in character development. The writer admitted on Twitter in response to this issue that he even had her flashback with Chaz prepped and ready, only to find it out of place and as you said earlier, would stick out like a sore thumb when put together with Moxxie’s distress. That and the episode itself is already too long.
They did certify that a Millie-centric episode will come later in the season, so fingers crossed on whether that finally address your issues.
What sort of infuriated me was how anti climactic it was with Moxxie standing up to his dad, the panning shot amd the lighting made it so badass and made me think shit was about to finally go down between him and his dad, and his father finally seeing how capable Moxxie has grown to be after being away from the household for so many years, but nope! He just gets tasered, placed in a wedding dress and saved by Millie. And yet, even with the whole massacre Millie did as was said Millie didn't get a lot in the episode regardless, so to me it felt like a slot where Moxxie could've fought back against his dad even if he lost *anyway* was still taken by how Millie came in for the rescue.
The way the episode went was fine I suppose, it just kind of had me disappointed because I felt like it had a bit more potential for Moxxie in particular, considering the whole episode was centered around him and his past.
Yeah I was hoping for Millie to get caught off guard and need Moxie and they could have tag teamed the whole gang together, showing that while they couldn't do it alone, they could tackle anything together. Would have been nice, thematically I think.
@@ChesireWaltz that would've been cute :]
the fact the moxxie's the one they focus on more then his wife but even he isn't allowed to stand up for himself-
i was SURE its time for moxxie to shine, but noo
TBF, there was that cliffhanger ending implying Crim would return, so could not really it just yet.
I will find it interesting if Millie is like Willow from the Owl House. How she is the “put together one” and finds the need to help everyone her crew. That everyone looks up to her as a backup or emotional support so she can’t show weakness. As in when she needs to fight for someone or to be there. Like Willow, she eventually broke down due to it, so what if Millie end up the same way. Or if Millie is out in a situation where no matter what does, she can’t protect them. Or her using violence to solve things has to do with her past history
Don’t worry, it’s been confirmed by Vivienne that season two will have a\multiple Millie focused episode/s
I think we did get a little hint as to how Moxxie and Millie both fell for the same guy. We see how he's good at manipulating people (He convinced Crimson he was rich despite all the evidence in his car) but he's also an idiot. Moxxie related their backstory as a bunch of movie references, so I think that is how they got together: Chaz hooked into Moxxie's theater/movie obsession. Meanwhile later he tried to seduce Moxxie with a song, saying he "remembers" how much Moxxie liked them, but in this instance I think he confused Millie for Moxxie, since she's the one who goes weak in the knees for corny songs, and the seduction didn't seem to work on Moxxie, not even a little bit. Chaz got to Moxxie through movies and to Millie through music.
that's a really nice analysis damn i like that
We shouldn’t have needed a “hint”. We should have been able to see how Chaz and Millie’s past relationship worked out IN the episode so she wouldn’t look so much as an extension to Moxxie’s character and more like one of the main cast.
idk about that last part, since mox loves operas and musicals
@@commandowalperson3113 Exactly where the fuck would You put another backstory, that would ruin the pase and the time. She needs her own episode, bruh.
My biggest problem with this episode, was Mox having this BIG chekhov's gun setting up moment of "if you try and stop me, you'll find out just how good I've gotten at my job." only for that gun to never be fired, because he got knocked out RIGHT after. This isn't the first time that's happened-when he discovered Striker's intentions with the holy weapon, Millie needed to step in there to try and save him. I loved Millie here, but I'm getting tired of her being a one note character.
She should've been the focus in The Harvest Moon Festival, but the focus AGAIN was on Moxxie feeling inadequate. I love that we're exploring who he is, but it just feels like rinse and repeat at this point now. We need to see him FOLLOW THROUGH on a threat for once, otherwise what's the point. It's becoming repetitive. I'm tired of Moxxie having moments where he's on top, only to get the rug pulled underneath. The only time that HASN'T happened was in Truth Seekers, where he opened up to Blitz, and held his own along with the gang.
I saw a comment say "I know people are gonna be upset over him being knocked out, but this is the start of his character development." as an excuse to what happened. But the thing is, he's HAD his development start since mid season 1. By now we should see him be more efficient, more confident, we've seen him open up. But no, they had him be saved again. It's just getting old
I think that line is going to come back with having Moxxie fight Crim in their next encounter. I also think that either Moxxie isn't going to kill him (call back to how he called the cops on the rest of the family in season 1 episode 1 instead of just killing them) and Millie or Blitz kill him after moxxie leaves or hes going to kill Crim in such a brutal way that its entirely offscreen with blood and bodyparts flying into view and Millie just watches unsure whether to be disturbed or impressed.
I also think if it happens Crim's death is going to set up a conflict for a third act episode of IMP having to deal with the gap in the mafia families with Moxxie either inheriting the family or having to fight for it to get rid of someone ordering a hit on him or something. which will either end up with IMP also having mafia stuff going on in the background, as well as their usual shennanigans or (maybe a stretch) very loosely having the stuff that happens in hell in the Helluva story have a knock on effect of background events in Hazbin (say for example Crim's mafioso having dealings with the 3 Vs in the pride ring or Mammon pissed that they interfered with business or something)
I liked Millie's role in this episode because they didn't force her to be a damsel in distress or write her out of the combat. she was bad ass and didnt need handicapping. I'd just like to see an episode where she stands out on her own without Moxxie.
So far the show has set up a lot of possible future encounters (Striker, Crim, The Cherubs, D.H.O.R.K.S) but haven't brought them back yet so i'm really looking forward to seeing what happens later. Also wondering if we'll see any of IMPs clients in Hazbin.
The foreshadowing is that the gun is still going to be fired, just not in this episode.
I’m also curious why Millie didn’t you know get rid of moxxie father and Chaz herself. But I realized this is just build up for moxxie to do it himself, at least for his dad.
Also I was surprised that Millie didn’t know that moxxie was abandoned by his former partner. Since in one episode when loona had to close the portal, she freaked out.
I kinda wish instead of her just getting mad, she would look at Chaz and said that was you? And then go feral.
Also they could have had moxxie get ready to go feral on his father, only for his father to threaten Millie not knock him out. And then have Millie go feral, while have moxxie use his gun as cover for her.
I was honestly so pissed he just got knocked out and did nothing the rest of the episode. They keep setting Moxxie up to be confident and stand up for himself, just for him to get it thrown back at him and be rendered useless the rest of the episode
For those saying the gun is going to be fired later, sure that's well and good. But Moxxie should've at least broken out of his binds, or done SOMETHING at this wedding crash and HELP Millie. SHOW his dad THEN AND THERE what kind of threat he meant. THEN it would make waiting for that big fight between father and son even better. Making a huge threat against your own family member only to do nothing just makes you seem like not a threat. Mox KNOWS his father, he should've noticed the look between father and henchman, and TRIED to do something.
I'd have taken a TRY. They at least had him try and fight Striker with Blitz. But did nothing here. I dunno I just want Moxxie to have HIS moment. Millie needs to be taken out of the action scenes in dumb ways because the writers have made her OP. And the fandom knows this, and the writers know this. Like she got taken out by a bear trap. That's just dumb.
Honestly i was waiting for millie‘s backstory with the douchbag. I loved her in this episode but that we didn’t get more of her bugged me. And it would have been beautiful if this episode of meeting moxie‘s family was centered around millie in contrast to the episode where we meet millie’s family.
I just wish in the end Moxxie got to show his dad just how badass he's gotten. Like instead of him having that moment and immediately getting knocked out, I wish he could've just point blank shot the goon in the face or something.
There has to be a reason Millie hasn’t gotten an episode yet. Every member has gotten their own episodes, so I’m holding a lot of hope for when she finally gets one centered on her
It sucks that even when she did have an episode we’re they go and visit her parents but it literally just became all about moxie I love moxie but I really want some trauma for Millie to come to play
@@brook8182 what if Millie has no trauma though 💀
@@SumThatSooli There are stories to tell about people who don't have trauma. Trauma isn't the only cause of character flaws
There were 2 main issues with this episode for me;
1) Despite the plot revolving around Millie & Moxxie’s Ex, as well as Moxxie’s family and upbringing, Millie was barely present, being relegated to only a few generic lines of dialogue and an action scene at the end. This once again leaves Millie in a very minimal position in what should have been a pivotal episode for her, much like we saw in Season 1 Episode 5.
2) The episode ends with Moxxie’s father becoming yet another villain for later on, despite the fact we’ve had 5 other opposing groups already introduced, none of which had much of a returning role as of yet (Robofizz & Ozzie, Verosika’s Group, The Cherubs, D.O.R.K.S, and Stella & Striker). Having yet another group, the Mafia, added in just makes this entire story far too muddled.
Robofizz is dead, normal fizzarolli isn't, also in my opinion all the villains are fine- I doubt ALL of them will return
Couldn't understand why Moxxie didn't finish him off. He killed his freaking mom
I don't think Fizz and Ozzie will actively try to come after IMP. Sure, they might show up again, but they are definitely not reoccurring antagonists.
Maybe some of villains will partner up? I can see Crimson and Striker working together.
@@Void_TheDemon so why there's so many cliffhangers?
I feel like the team just needs time to produce more than one episode. We've seen quite a leap in character development for most of the cast and I get the feeling Millie will be next in one or two episodes. Vivz doesn't seem to ignore their fan base and the sister moment between Octavia and Loona shows they really have something deeper to say about each of the cast. Patience, friends. This is a project with a rare passion behind it
Millie seems to really care not just for moxie, but for her crew as well. From what I've seen all characters do, go back to some root of trama, or goal they were told they had to achieve. I think that her personality is bold and sweet, expecially when she shows her love for moxie and getting aggressive. More back story of her and her sister. Or the way that she was raised. Going back to her family I thought was cool, bc, you can see she gets her toughness from her parents. Like even maybe how her parents met and what she was born into, might establish more of her story. ❤❤❤
They could have easily put in her backstory with vhaz right after she discovered moxxie's oast with him, so she'd say something like "First you [insert what Chaz did to Millie that made her hate him so much] and now you did THAT to my husband!? And here I thought you couldn't be more insufferable!" Or something idk
Yep 😐
I was really hoping for the backstory with Millie and Chaz and was super disappointed when we didn’t get it but the episode was still super cool !!
Yeah,and it's really weird that they keep resorting to making Moxxie the damsel in distress like we know that he can take care of himself. Why not make Millie the one who needs saving?
I hope one day Vivziepop make an episode focused about Millie like her childhood,Her adventure or how she met Moxxie, i really hope it happened soon
I really think Moxie’s mom is dead by how much Vivzie wanted us to focus on her shoes. They were practically designed to catch our attention and practically screamed “HEY! YOU! Pay attention at this shows I keep pointing at, their going to be important in a few more seconds”
I saw another comment kinda explaining this but, we can see that Millie doesn’t want to be away from Moxie. This could be an attachment or abandonment issue she has that a Millie centered episode could dive into. She chases after and saves moxie a lot and was pissed when she learned Chaz left him. An episode diving into her learning/ coping with this would be amazing
If they wanna bring back Chaz, we may even see he played into that trauma. (I have a hunch Millie may have dated Chaz before Moxxie did ?)
It would give us answer for those two. Also, the way Millie talked earlier seems to imply she had many exes. So, maybe she dealt with a lot of her exes cheating on her or abandonning her and all ?
@@orianefaton1885 Chaz is dead lol
YES, this is what I think too, she shows some very subtle abandonment issues, like in the episode truth seekers, when the portal closes separating Moxxie and blitz from Millie and loona, Millie went crazy in that moment, she started crying even, that was not out of place, that scene was on purpose to allude to a possible issue millie has, I think they will deepen into her story in that way, in that episode, that is not how a normal person would react, she reacted as if she’d never see Moxxie again or that she lost him for good and it’s her fault, something along those lines, that scene really made me question what her backstory is, why she’s so good at fighting, why she cannot stand a moment without Moxxie, why she has so many anger issues etc, it’s really mysterious.
@@horseconfused it always made me think millie might have issues with codependency.
This episode was much darker than anything before in this series. I loved Moxxies background story and he threatened to kill his father. That was epic. It looked so cool when Millie used Blitzo's horns to kill one of the sharks. This episode had everything: Drama, horror and comedy. I don't think I have to describe the outstanding animation there especially the smooth turns in the camera angel. Easily one of my favourite episodes. The only complain I have with this episode that Loona doesn't talk once in this episode. It's less than we got from Episode 2. Why doesn't the writers give her at least one sentence at the beginning and the end of the episode? Like when he helicopter broke the wall and when IMP broke the wall again when they came back.
Sadly, we need to accept that Loona is nothing but a furry bait.
@@valentinkambushev4968 you do realize that makes no sense right??
although she has those traits, she has emotions and fears just like the rest of the crew. did you not see the scene in s2 ep 2 with blitzo looking to adopt hellhounds and the lady saying "she'll never amount to nothing" and loona literally broke down crying.
tdlr: she is MORE than furry bait, she has a character background.
I think she was just too bored and pissed of saying "could've just used the door dude" lmao
Voice actors are expensive, Considering Erica Lindbeck's experience, she may be one of the higher to highest paid voice actors in the show
Honestly, loona has gotten a hell of a lot of attention from the Fandom. You know, because of furries. She doesn't need to be in EVERY episode.
Plus the voice actor was probably sick or something
I like the idea of Moxie and Millie meeting thru Blitz, and she would no doubt have no issue killing him if he was late while babysitting especially since it seems she and loona don't get along all too well most times
I can imagine Millie spent most of her youth with little attention or overshadowed by her other siblings. Her family don't seem bad, but no family is perfect. That lack of attention could be what made her get with Chaz. Maybe he gave her what she needed and then broke her heart. Maybe it wasn't just him that hurt her emotionally? It could been a seris of bad relationships that made her fall in love with Moxxie. Someone who loved her more than anyone else ever had.
This was the first thing I thought of when I finished it. I was like "So...the plot is that Moxie learns the same thing he's learned 3 times already?"
The problems relate to his insecurities but each problem is separate dealing with his insecurities in regard to different people. First was his in-laws(just in general wants to be considered part of his new family), second was his relationship with Blitz (this is him trying to understand where they stand in this business compared to how his relationship with his dad was) and finally his dad, which is the result of how much he’s grown, especially when he challenges the new life he has with Millie. So he didn’t learn anything new per say, just put his foot down when he’d failed to in the past
I think one of the reasons why Millie gets sidelined so much is that she seems like someone who thrives in the moment, not unlike Ty Lee from ATLA. She also doesn't have the family problems in the way almost every other character does!
Which honestly makes me want to see more of her - I'd love to know how and why she joined IMP, why she chose to leave the ranch and Wrath Ring. There is a lot of potential there.
Its not just that she's in the moment and lacking in family issues.
All of the drama with Blitz, Moxie and Stollas seems to stem from their insecurities and fears.
Millie doesn't have insecurities, and her fears can't really be played with too well since they are basically just dying.
Millie is too well adjusted that she doesn't provide easy drama as a result.
This series has a serious issue with its female characters and it's making it hard for me to keep up with it knowing that the only time Millie and Luna get episodes where they're major players, it's always going to be for the development of Moxie (who I like a lot!!) and Blitzo. If the series is going to continue down the path of focusing on interpersonal drama & relationships over the nonsequiter antagonist of the week/hit of the week, then Luna and ESPECIALLY Millie deserve to be fleshed out more as independent characters without the focus shifting immediately to the male characters they have the closest relationship with.
Millie is genuinely my most favourite character in this series, so i'm really hoping they give her an actual backstory and some sort of character arc. she's a badass and she's also fun, but rn it feels like she's just that (plus Moxxie's wife). the show is still fairly new so i'm hoping that down the line she will get her own episode or two because honestly she deserves it
Honestly I've noticed that the only character development comes from trauma
Millie has a good relationship with her family, good home life, one of the healthiest relationships I've ever seen...
It's hard to do something with her because it seems she doesnt really need development, she as a character is already at where other characters wish they could be
Trauma and gay relationships, to be fair.
For sure. They could still do something with Millie’s family history. Like, maybe she was just overlooked because she was the middle child or maybe her family loves her but she wants more from life and they were unintentionally holding her back?
Yeah, they really need to try harder to find something besides “shitty abusive parents” as character development.
Character development does not come from having trauma and overcoming it. Character development can come from different aspects of flaws that a character suffers to achieve the obstacles they're going through, either from simply being "selfish to generous" or "cowardly to brave" or "pessimistic to optimistic" it can come in many forms.
Maybe Millie’s parents are good but they have one flaw. They have high expectations of Millie and are hard on her. They were hard on her and blaming her for almost being killed by Striker even though he was the toughest imp there aside from Blitz. So maybe all her life she’s had high expectations and so these expectations have been instilled into her and we get an episode where she tackles these and learns: “I don’t always need to be perfect in my parents eyes”.
Boom we get character development but we don’t retcon her parents too much. Also relatability points since some kids go through this with their parents
True except one thing. Her lovelife was shit. . In the episode when we meet her family, we find out for a second that she was so despite for love that she fought and got hurt real bad trying to catch a wedding bouquet. Her life sounds like it was loveless. She grew up in an envirament that was all about fighting. She is obsessed with moxie to the point that she would break if she thought she lost him. Honestly…i think she needs him more than he needs her.
During the whole episode, I was waiting to see if Millie would get to tell her story with shark chad over there, but the way it was left hanging. Why even give them a history?
So they can make jokes out of it. 😒
@@valentinkambushev4968 I feel like the same jokes could have been made regardless. She could hate him because he left Moxie. She could hate him because he tries to sleep with her. I think the only real difference would be the beginning of the episode and the scene with Blitzo
@@jessicamurphy5553 I feel like hating him because he hurt Moxxie is honestly worse because it makes her feel like she revolves around him even more
I actually like the fact that at least one of them have a semi healthy background, it feels like all of these are leading up to something big, and when that happens, everyone will be down on their own problems, maybe imp will break up and millie will be the glue to get everyone together, a situation where violence wouldn't be the answer and she has to think of a way to bring everyone together and solve a bigger problem?
Like here's where the problem for me with this episode lies. Beyond millie just being pushed aside to the position of savage wife again, moxxie is again pushed aside to the position of the emotional person in need of saving. Like they have established that moxxie is very much a character capable of holding his own, at least since truth seeker, yet he has never gotten a single chance to shine in that regard. It really seems like moxxie is just there to be the emotional guy, and millie is just there to be the fighting guy in their relationship, and it's really tiering. Like give each of them a chance to shine in the other regard too. For moxxie for example you could have made him take out one or two of crimsons goons before he got tasered, and for millie, you could have at least explained her backstory with chaz, and just give her a character beyond brawler. Maybe have them talk before being separated. Have her know the backstory of moxxie, and be sceptical of crimson from the start. Just make her more, then moxxie's liveguard, because that's how she currently feels to me. And for goodness sake, make moxxie get shit done as well, like this character deserves better, then to constantly be the one who needs saving. Show us the skills he has acquired due to his job, don't just tell us about them. I absolutely loved this episode, but this shit just held it back from perfection.
This is pretty accurate to how I feel about the episode. It's not just millie who's not getting the best treatment, moxxie is too. Him standing up to his father without needing his wife's spine was a huge moment. Having him immediately dropped before being able to act on that turned a serious moment into a punch line. Fine, catharsis is delayed. But at the final conflict, he never got another word or action. Just carted off in a dress, and used for one more gag.
All this needed was Blitz freeing up moxxie while millie got her rampage so he could make good on that last conflict. Maybe not killing his father, but wounding him and coming to terms with their new power dynamic. Crimson's son is no longer a pawn but a true member of the family. Denying moxxie and millie is not an option for him. Mox owes his wife a proper introduction to his family, mob or not.
You explained this perfectly thank you
Yeah i agree, Loved the episode but the whole "You'll find out how good i got at my job" kinda felt flat when he had zero pressence in his resque
The only thing I kinda can use as defense for Vivizie here is that Mox is strongly implied to be a snipper type of fighter and also... well, he looked unarmed there.
(of course, he could have had a small gun to use for self-defense purpose, but I think there are a few steps between Moxxie standing up to his Father and attempting to kill this piece of shit)
But for the end part, yeah, Blizt coming, freeing Moxxie (most likely having to fight Crimson a bit as a result) and Moxxie once free going to pick up a gun, maybe to shoot a guy that was trying to sneak up on Millie would have been nice. (it would show they have each other back too)
And Millie can still decide to lift him over her shoulder like she did while talking to Crimson.
Since the implication is that crimson is now out to kill Moxie, I'm hoping that later on Moxie will get a more serious one on one confrontation. Maybe between that time Moxie's inability to fight despite it being his literal job and constantly being made the damsel will be addressed.
Okay okay but here's an idea for her character..
Since from what we've seen, it seems millie has had a simple life with her family on the farm and has a healthy relationship with each member. Tho this is good, it makes her feel like it's hard to connect to her husband and friends (Blitzø, loona)
This also makes her feel like she has to be tough, and a designated protecter of her husband to make up for that lack of connection and understanding.
All this tied together makes her feel like any personal struggle of hers is minor and not important since she has had a good life, and that she must always be the tough one. This cuases her stress aswell.
So an episode tackling this issue could really build on her imo!
id love to see an episode of millie based on this! her role as a protector examined with the group is a good idea
That's actually kinda of a good idea.I hope we get a ep similar to what u said
I watched the episode wondering why Chaz and Millie ever dated. They didn’t do anything with it.
It would be interesting to know why/how she hooked up with him to begin with, seeing how much she despises him now and isn’t even the slightest bit charmed or conflicted about his advances.
Maybe she used to be more vulnerable physically and emotionally? And maybe that’s part of how she’s learned to be so strong, to not be taken advantage of or fall for the wrong things?
I do love that despite how much of a badass she is, she still has a very girly feminine bubbly side. Maybe Chaz took her to fun places, serenaded her, bought her stuffed animals?
It would be cool that maybe he exploited that softer side of Millie, so she learned to not fall for those things again, but it still not destroying that side of her. Like yeah she learned to not let her femininity get exploited, but she didn’t let it change her personality you know?
Tldr; she has a lot of potential.
Honestly Millie being the babysitter crossed my mind today…
I didn't even think of Millie maybe being the babysitter mentioned, that would be perfect! The pacing of this episode is so tight, and Chaz got to go out on a high note
Oh crap you're right
Haha true that’s probably how he wanted to die
i haven’t watched the video yet obviously but i was so excited when i thought we were gonna get a millie episode with her character development. still loves seeing her beat people up though. I’m just upset that we know next to nothing about her other than she’s that she’s violent, loves moxie, and is very southern.
One of the main gripe i have about this episode is that once again, Moxie isn't able to show he's capable of getting out of some mess by himself. Even at the end, no snarky remark, no comeback oneliner or something to his dad. Once again it's Millie who saves his ass, and he ends up being rescued.
I don’t like how for this episode, Moxxie has a whole flashback about his past relationship with Chaz, and his childhood is revealed as well as the entire story about him and Chaz, but for Millie, who also dated Chaz, it says literally nothing about their past relationship except for that he is her ex. Like I almost forgot that Millie also dated Chaz.
I think the best way they could've "save" this episode was to have Millie address Moxxie's lies through the episode (and their marriage since he lied about his past) and to start a small arc of them struggling before returning stronger together... also, for as much as Crim characterization is top notch, I cannot consider him a real threat anymore after seeing Millie decimate his goons, basically the whole point of a mob family...
I had a similar feeling about DHORKS. The episode ends with the implication that the government will become a problem for IMP in the future, but since we already saw them tear through their goons, how much of a threat can they really be?
Doesn't seem like he lied about his past, he just never talked about it.
I'm honestly surprised Millie didn't kill Crimson after everything like I thought she was going to but she probably didn't want to hurt Moxxie by doing that.
For a second I thought she was going to run over Crim with the car. Until I realized that would mean running over Moxie too
Actually i like the anger idea, we could have a twist is that her parents we've introduced too aren't her blood related parents and are her adopted parents.
We can make the whole thing darker by say millie murdered her og family in cold blood when younger or even controlled by a great power.
moxxie wouldnt be hurt by that. the guy threatened to to kill millie and mox as well lol. leaving crimson alive only puts them in more danger. good for story but makes no sense as a practical choice
At first I was mad the dad wasn't dead because I'm the type of viewer who hates conflict at first, but once I got past that, I agree that he'd be an awesome villain to come back a few more times.
I don't actively think Millie is the most shallow character due to not having a direct background being touched upon. (She kinda does when they visit her familly???)
I feel what this means is that, well, Millie is healthy. She doesn't have deep trauma to exploit and for once I find that a GOOD thing. In a cast of character whom all went through funked up shit, Millie is the strong STABLE person that knows what a normal life is supposed to be like. She's not vain or heartless either from this. Being a very supportive person isn't making one less interesting, it is just her primary traits, which is fine.
In short i think Millie needs more interaction with the world around them, like making a new friend, going out shopping whatever the funk else, that doesn't DIRECTLY involve the other characters or violence scenes, but she doesn't need extra trauma and bad shit that's happened to her. Just an episode where she's having the day off, interacting only with Luna and not about her husband, stuff like that something that's centered around relaxation time away from IMP and her husband.
Millie is like the show’s biggest Chekov’s Gun ever. There’s so many things introduced for her that just aren’t used and taken over by Moxxie.
-How Moxxie and Millie met
-Millie’s past love life
-Millie’s past relationships with her family
-How Millie’s family started disliking Moxxie
-What led to her becoming part of I.M.P if M&M met after the fact
I hope some of this stuff gets addressed in the later seasons, Millie’s pretty intriguing and a part of the main squad, she deserves an episode of her own that’s dominated by her instead of Moxxie or better yet one that’s independently focused on her.
Yes! Thankyou! Was so excited to hear your reaction once I watched the episode though didn't expect it so soon. Hope you're taking care of yourself, man.
What I’d want, is explore the why for Millie being this savage, murderous person. Maybe her ability to cause fear and harm to others acted as a kind of safety blanket? It meant any sane person who wanted to mess with her or those she loved would think twice because she might take their skeleton out- it’s complete speculation that that’s why but whatever the reason. I wanna know!
I think Millie is the only put together character because her parents and family love you
To me, I appreciate how simple she is. While yes, I definitely want her to get an episode actually dedicated to her, I appreciate how simple she feels most of the time. An honest, wrathful loving farm lady from the Wrath Ring. In comparison to all the baggage the cast has, it’s nice there’s one character who’s just as simple as she is. Again, would love to have an episode all her own, but I also like her as she is now.
Millie is getting her own episode this season. It's been confirmed on twitter
"no, i do not sound like Blitzo"
that's exactly what someone who sounds like Blitzo would want us to think
I saw the beginning of the episode with Millie getting mad at an ex and I just went "FINALLY! ITS A MILLIE EPISODE!" until I was hit with disappointment when I realized its Moxie episode(Then subsequently got reeled back in when the drama kicked it). Millie DESERVES to have an episode about her. I want to know more about her. Hopefully the next episode will be about her since in this episode she did basically solo'd saving moxie. Maybe we can get a backstory on why she is super tough and good at fighting(minus her family). Or maybe even give Millie a present threat instead like a character foil. Just please give her SOMETHING. I just want to know more about her since she is currently the weakest link.
Sadly, of all the episodes we had previews of, none of them appear to be from a Millie episode. But Vivienne did acknowledge the backlash on twitter and confirmed that she will have her episode eventually. Eventually...
“whatever the hell chazz had going on” is a very accurate description of whatever the hell chazz had going on
Honestly I love this show so much. Yes it has mistakes, but yall gotta understand this is made by a couple people with a dream. It's Honestly incredible and inspires me to keep animating
Chaz last as long as he need to. I love Crim's slow turn and stare.
I'm Happy Helluva Boss is Still Going.
I'd love to see why Millie became so strong and good at fighting. Sure, we know she was raised like that by her parents on the Harvest Moon episode, but I'd love to see more reasons for that more than "Yeah, we raised our kids to be total badasses"
I'd love to see that maybe at some point Millie was completely helpless on a situation, really vulnerable but no one was there to save her. Once she got out of that situation she trained so hard to become unstoppable.