Holding Stolitz Accountable - Helluva Boss Analysis
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I’m sure Octavia snapping at him will finally make Stolas fully self reflect.
Unless the show plays the "Oh, Octavia is being manipulated by her mother and uncle! Poor Stolas!"
@@valentinkambushev4968
They’ll 100 do that.
I also hate how Octivia feels like an after thought and only is used to boost up Stolas
Agreed, I'm hoping third times the charm for poor Octviva. Everyone kept excusing Stolas the first times and I just didn't get why. He made LuLu Land all about hiring Blitz so he could flirt with him, and basically did the same thing in the L A episode. He says he acknowledges how he's treating her but has yet to change it
@@valentinkambushev4968 ugghhh I hate that I know that's what's gonna happen
Like, her being manipulated by stella woudk at elast give Octavia more character traits but it's ONLY gonna happen to further victimize STOLAS
I'm gonna be heonst I'd rather have Stella be a good mom to Octavia, I eman with all of season 1 and hie the vas rlaked about stella and Stolas I think they were setting her up to be a morally grey character, but that was obviously scrapped
@@ihartyoutubification
Along with the fact that Octavia forgives him both times. Which really annoyed me because it feels like she isn’t allow to feel angry or sad unless the plot demands for it. All so it can Stolas be the uwu sad boy dad who’s trying to do everything right for his daughter.
My headcanon is that blitz never realized that his calendar was set to the wrong month for literally the whole month
This is very Blitz
@@cam_luong Very true, but I also think people obsessing over what month it actually was kinda need to take a deep breath and chill. It's a cartoon, not a Ken Burns documentary.
@@zolo49noname45It's not just a cartoon... But people do need to chill
Or maybe hell works on a slightly different timescale.
@@zolo49noname45
Its times like this where I actually agree with the people who say "it's a fictional show, chill". As a writter? This is something that I dread in my own fanfics.
Blitz is stuck in self pitty
Stolaz is stuck in a fantasy
@@chese0965 yeah because stolas has no one but he’s daughter. So yeah
@@BonnieDearest40Same with Blitz with Loona.
@@seeleunit2000 noooooo moxie and Millie and fizz
@@seeleunit2000 dude has a support group
Self pity and Self hatred
Stolas definitely needs more self awareness that’s for sure
Stoats...
@@lwaysDrawingstoat image
Yah, despite this being a good episode for Blitz development, Vivzie's character writing flaw was out in full force for Stolas. Whenever Vivzie has a favorite character, she gets terrified of people not liking them or pointing out their flaws. This often leads to retconning certain character interactions or messing with other characters to make them look better. This is why Stolas kept going on and on about how he's never seen Blitz as lesser when we defiantly know he's at least treated Blitz like he thought so.
@@Dragonblade722 Not saying what your saying isn't valid but Vivzie straight up agreed that Stolas was so in his own head that he ignores reality including so I think she's(hopefully) building up to the episode Mastermind or Sinmas where he reliazes or someone shows him the error in his ways
@@zenchantrelle9779god I hope so but so far she certainly failed in that regard. Especially considering the retcons, and Octavia and Stella pretty much exist to wubbyfy Stolas. If you are a woman you are not going to neuanced in a Vivziepop show
I will say that I’ve heard Vivziepop wants Stolitz to be endgame and *if* that’s still true, I definitely think they need time apart BEFORE getting back together
There goes my investment in the show 🫠
I saw two coprotagonists be more enemies than friends for 3 whole seasons and I still shipped them hard. Stoliz need the time apart for the heart to grow fonder or yonder. @@no_0riginality937
@@no_0riginality937Wdym? They've been so clearly set up as endgame, why get invested in the show if you didn't want them together?
@@cam_luongbecause we live in an era where media literacy is at rock bottom. So you know damn well they likely ignored all the signs 😅
@@no_0riginality937 "oh no, the creator of the show does how she likes! how could she!"
i think the biggest issue thats ignored, is to blitz, they were never dating, it was blitz prostituting himself to a prince for his dinner ticket.
which completely changes how to look at it, blitz wasnt being bad in a relationship, because blitz was never in a relationship, just something to make sure him and the only people he seems to care about can keep their jobs and money.
His ex and Verosika don't know about that. The only ones who know the truth are IMP, Blitz and Stolas. And even Striker who I think will return and points this out in the future.
💯💯
THANK YOU! They are not a couple, it was never that, just a mutual thing.
Thank you! Omg the amount of people that ignore this critical detail is wild.
@@solbelenchuquimiapoma9387 Yeah, Verosika not knowing that is what bugged me about some of Apology Tour. She only ever saw Stolas as another ex of Blitz, not what the relationship was like. Her not knowing that always defeated the purpose of that party; that and we're assuming that some of those exes were actually hurt, or if any of them were just as bad if not worse than Blitz. Blitz may be an ass but that's kind of obvious when you really think about it and look at him.
Stolas working with Blitzø would be so fucking funny
It was built up from S2 Ep 1 that Stolas will be the receptionist proper of I.M.P. and I can't wait to be correct soon enough.
They should make him the new receptionist so Loona can go on more adventures.
@@Rayvincen Stolas being a receptionist would be much more fitting I mean- he does love words 😁
@@LOLrpop*happy owl noises*
@@LOLrpop I saw somebody suggest he might enjoy playing part receptionist/therapist and working angry people putting out hits through their anger.
Verosica knowing in less than 24hrs is interesting, she is a succubus it wouldnt surprise me if they have magic to know when a bad breakup happens as that is prime soul sucking material. "I feel a disturbance in the ship, deploy the ninja incubus"
*brings in Lilith with incubus and box of friends*
but i don’t think imps/hellborn have souls??
@@KiryuMythic Child leash + friendship necklace makes her even better!
@@brenocat3292 brimstone, magic spoon, and rubber cement
i say she has voxtech watching for his breakups lmao
My guess is when his family will summon him to "judge" him, he will have a defense-attorney who provides proof that their relationship is actually the "morally acceptable" master-servant dynamic. Stolas sees many scenes where he put Blitz down, realizes his own hyprcrity and bombs his own defense.
Now THAT! That would be an interesting episode.
Ouch, talk about a wake up call
That would definitely be interesting
I would love for this to actually happen😭I hope it does or something similar
We can only pray
as an artist, I've also noticed that with the constant excusing of Stolas's behavior coincided with a sudden change in how the animators draw him face-wise, he used to have a much more narrow face, squinted eyes and a decidedly more "smug" appearance, but ever since the episode where they were children, they kept drawing him with the rounder baby face, wider eyes and generally "cuter" appearance.
I’ve noticed that too!! S2 has def been a wider face plate, wider eyes, more “confused” or triangle-mouth smiling, than smug.
So glad someone pointed this out!! 💕
Maybe to make him feel more “sympathetic “
It gives me the ick they literally smoothed away his rougher edges
The fact that they had to push a "met at childhood" trope had me rolling my eyes so hard. You mean to say that a demon prince who was based on demonic literature that's hundreds of years old just coincidentally happened to be a child the same age as kid Blitzo and they both grew up at the same rate? It's this and other little things that feels so try hard at making the ship as non problematic as possible, "safe toxic". Another glaring instance of this safe toxic mindset is Stella: Stolas cheated on his wife? That's okay, she's a nonsympathetic one dimensional stupid villain, never mind that she was also forced in the marriage just to give birth to heirs, that's not demeaning at all.
@@aerinsoleris vivzie has literally herself talked about how Stella still has a perspective on the relationship that hasn't been told _yet._ you should really watch lightweights podcast's interview of her. she talks a lot about how long they've been planning all the story beats and such. nothing that happens in the show is in reaction to people's opinions on past episodes, they've had everything planned out for way too long for that to be feasible, especially considering they've already recorded all the lines for season two and have started recording for season 3.
"When have I ever?"
2 seconds earlier
"My little impish plaything"
I really can’t understand this fandom sometimes because you guys can have so much understanding for one character and then completely have no understanding for the other. How many times have we seen in the show blitz saying something out-of-pocket or downright SA to his employees or some random character or even stolas in season two episode one and this episode. You guys never seen the pointed out or even called this character out for it but when it comes to stolas saying something controversial literally a season ago you guys won’t shut up about it.
@@BonnieDearest40you are legit brain dead fam. Did you even watch the video?
If Stolas actually looked down on Blitzo, he probably would have severely punished Blitzo for getting caught by humans, and losing his daughter in L.A. He had plenty of chances to just throw Blitzo away and take the book back. He could’ve left Blitzo with nothing. This guy can literally turn people to stone with a glance!
@BonnieDearest40 Because people will keep on defending him. Both are in the wrong. Everybody makes Stolas the poor bird boy who has done nothing wrong in the relationship. Blitzø isn’t the prince here Stolas is. Stolas not only calls Blitzø names but other imps. He lacks self awareness. You seem like you are defending Stolas. Yeah Blitzø has messed up many times. He has messed up countless relationships, and pushed everybody away. He pushed Stolas away many times and doesn’t want to communicate with him sometimes. You did not have to be rude by the way.
@@RockCandy718 exactly! Stolas never really abused his power over blitz in fact he is the ONLY reason blitz is even successful in the first place.
I'm really hoping Octavia gives it to him, no holds barred. Stolas has done some serious damage to Blitz that he doesn't even notice, but he's been doing Via just as dirty. If he isn't dismissing or ignoring her to fight with Stella, he's doing it to flirt or fight with Blitz. Even at Loo Loo Land he was making excuses for his behavior instead of apologizing and acknowledging what he was doing was hurting her, and Via is smart enough to notice these things and the larger pattern. And she is brave enough and so sick of it that she has nothing to lose in telling her dad off.
This is just me yammering, I would imagine we're getting close to her being 18 now. I could see her possibly becoming a target to the Goetia for their own machinations. Or maybe on her 18th birthday, she decides to leave and try and make it on her own and tells her dad off when he tries to change her mind. We see her with Loona in product art sometimes, so maybe she goes to her to help figure out her life. Who knows.
I'm just gonna sit here waiting for Stolas to get a wake-up call for being a dickbag.
I wouldnt rely too much on product art because its just something for the fans. Hopefully it is true because both Loona and Octavia could likely help eachother given their abandonment issues
(Psst. Word on the street is Octavia is getting a song about just that)
I'm just going to point out that Stolas wasn't making excuses during Loo Loo Land, he was trying to tell his daughter the truth of the matter and not being able to. If Octavia was really as emotionally astute as you're implying, then she would have noticed sooner that her family was barely playing nice and her father was miserable. In both of these cases, her reaction to how things are going would probably be very different.
She does need to confront Stolas on how he's affecting her, but we need to remember that he sheltered her enough that she literally thinks that everything was fine until he fell for Blitzo when it wasn't. It doesn't negate the harm he's done, but it does mean that she's biased about something she doesn't have the full picture for, same as everyone else.
@@FullMoonDeriaFor real. Every other thing he did on that episode I hold him to task for, but choking on his words and stuttering while trying to figure out how to tell his daughter "I was forced to marry your mother, it was decided when I was a child, she's abusive, even if she weren't I'm gay and I can't be in love with her, cheating was a result of how things were and not a careless decision that blew up my happy marriage" without actually saying that because he doesn't want to destroy the image he sacrificed half his life to create so Via had a chance at being happy and normal... That's not something I can fault him for. Of course I want Via to put things in plain text for him, but I also want the reverse, specifically in re: her mother. I wonder if she even knows that without Stolas she would most likely be heading to the altar with some stranger on her next birthday
I want to see Stella's side of the story. People seem to forget that she was also forced into the marriage just to produce heirs, her worth is hinged solely on making babies. Also note that she has no personal ambitions for power, she was totally fine with Octavia inheriting everything after Stolas is assassinated. Octavia herself does not seem to dislike Stella, so any vitriol Stella had to Stolas was not targeted at her daughter.
True love does not only encompass the things that make you feel good, it also holds you to a standard of accountability.
Yes, a thousand times over.
Ooh that’s a good line, I’ll have to remember that
Yup
I thought I was the only one who would be fine if they don't end up together. Just because Blitzo "woke Stolas up" doesn't mean their relationship has to work out.
Honestly, if they just made the Succubus guy he danced with in Apology Tour an actual character and have them date I'd be perfectly happy NGL.
@@JackedThor-so well, he is a man, so yeah, he is going to be a character. Hell, he will probably get more development than Millie and Loona.
@@valentinkambushev4968 yeah...
no i need them to be happy fgs
@@valentinkambushev4968 Lmao, the pettiness here. But, who knows you might be right.
Oh my god IT JUST OCCURED TO ME that Stolas bringing up the Striker thing was when Loona needed to get her shots so Blitz was LITERALLY actually BUSY-
I expected him to bring up the fact that Blitz never came to visit him in the hospital after getting almost killed by Striker.
I once heard a beautiful term that I think fits this ship perfectly, 'delusionship'.
Ah so that's what Zutara was 😂
"you couldnt even bother to come save me"
HE WAS LITERALLY TAKING CARE OF HIS DAUGHTER???
Very true, though I am not sure Stolas knows this. Blitz didn't say "I was taking care of my daughter" he said "well you are immortal, I didn't think Striker could hurt you."
Bullshit excuse. Millie and moxxie could've taken her for the shot. Moxie just had to claim he was blitzø 😂
@@Axel_Kasai thats such a shitty thing to say. "hey, daughter, im gonna go save this guy i fuck and barely know instead of putting you, my only child who should mean the world to me, first."
???
sending moxie and millie to save stolas was the right move not the other way around
@@LunacyFringenot only that loona clearly showed anxiety and stress being around that place. Why would he send his employees when this is something a loving parent should do
Well, to me saving a person's life is more important than taking a person to get a shot (a person who is also an ADULT and should be capable of going on their own), and the fact that that shot was delayed for 5 years makes me believe that it could be delayed for some time more. Saving a person's life is an emergency; taking a shot is important, but it isn't as urgent: it's a prevention against an emergency.
But, on the other hand, it's not like Blitz completely disregarded Stolas' situation. At first he was going to save him as fast as he could, then the M&Ms said they could handle it themselves, so he trusted them and let them take care of it. It was bold of him to assume that they could beat Striker on their own, since Striker is such a dangerous opponent. Sending the M&Ms put them in danger as well. But this is also a testament of how much Blitz trusts the M&Ms (and, to a certain degree, Stolas' power).
So, yeah, I think Blitz made the right choice by staying with Loona. But only because the M&Ms were also an option.
We’re here to talk about stolitz… agan
"Sheen, that's the 7th week in a row you talked about stolitz in class"
If Sarcastic Chorus wants to talk about his gay demons then he’s gonna talk about his gay demons, let the man live!
Thats the mainplot of this show nowadays.
Yes 😊
Of course Gay demons make sense
the thing that gets me is that when blitz tells stolas "i don't understand why you'd love me", stolas never actually gives a proper response. he doesn't explain why he loves blitz, he just says he wants someone to love HIM. it almost sounds like he's saying that anyone will do, so long as they care about him. it just proves that they never really had a relationship and don't even know that much about each other beyond surface-level things. i hope this separation will give them a chance to actually learn who they are as people without any transactional factors affecting it, but we'll see what the show actually does with them.
To give some credit to Stolas here, it's not like he's never tried to get to know him better - but I do wish Stolas had answered that.
I think if ANYONE in Blitz's life answered that question for him, it would help a lot.
I can't be the only one who NEEDS a road trip episode with Octavia and Loona
A woman-centered episode in Helluva Boss!? Impossible!
@@valentinkambushev4968 Honestly, Viv even once said Hazbin would be female centric, yet almost every important character and fan fav is a dude.
Angel, Alistair, Lucifer, Val, Vox, Adam. While the list of important female characters is Charlie, (Not Vaggie), and ummmm oh Rosie! And uhhhhhh. Yeah Charlie is it.
Viv just doesn't like women being center stage. In HB, they're either background or props for the male characters. Loona is to boost up Blitz as a selfless parent, Millie is just a bland well of support for Moxie, and Octavia is just to add an emotional aspect to Stolas' actions and divorce, to exist just so she can he hurt and he can get all UwU and feel bad.
Hahahahaha!!! Women is center stage?!?! Hahahahahha!!! Good one mate 😂😂. I would Love an episode of Octavia and Stella though. Give us SOMETHING about Stella not a caricature they turned her into. I can't care less for the furry bair mouth piece though
@@mulqueen2023it doesnt help that our main interests is the relationship between TWO MALE DEMONS. Unlike hazbin hotel who's more of a grand story involving both hell and heaven, helluva boss is just stuck in hell between a handful of characters. We arent worrying about lilith, about the hotel or sinners redeeming themselves. We are worrying if an imp and a owl are going to make up xD
Thelma and Louise the furry version
The calendar is hand written. Blitz doesn't know how Months work, and probably didn't think about it too much. In character, and entirely relatable. If you think about Blitz being unable to keep track of time effectively, which he usually doesn't, then it would be easy to see that he legitimately didn't think it was October, didn't think that October started on a Thursday, or overlooked the fact that you can write 31 on the calendar on the same line and date as the beginning of the week by cutting the square in half. It would not surprise me if he flipped that month over and it started with the 31st for the next day to be the 1st. Happens.
If it becomes true that Stolas loses his status, title and his royal life then that means he’s going to have to learn what’s life without having everything granted to you on a silver platter. Cause Stolas doesn’t understand low class or what’s it like to live a poor life. So I feel that would teach him what’s it like for imps that work manual labor jobs and give him a better perspective on blitz and his work and everything in his life. Because as much as Stolas claims to like blitz and doesn’t look down on him he really doesn’t know anything about him
For real. I doubt he even knows his dad bought Blitzo for him.
I would say it is worse that he does not know.
He knows some things, but not appreciate or really understands what he knows.
We all know what hunger and cold is, but hopefully very few of us know what that is like at 3 in the morning while homeless and in the middle of a blizzard.
Would actually make for a super interesting episode/plotline I think!
Would be VERY interesting but he is a born prince. His powers are his own (he definantly doesn't need the book we've seen again and again) so even if they take the status...who will fulfill his role.
I know its Viv's continuity but you can't just get rid of a demon of an Ars Goetia.
This would be very interesting.
“We’re stolas is doing his regular party thing…being alone.😊”
And trying to test if a Goetia can drink himself to death, apparently
I have faith in the creators because in that scene where Stolas goes "when have I ever looked down on you" he immediately sits down because he is literally looking down on Blitzo.
And he still looks down on him
@@airplanes_aren.t_realPretty much
I love that we got the song " Look my way" But if you watch FullMoon he barely looks at Blitz all XD.
I get that he was nervous but Blitz was behind him crying,I was like BRO PAY ATTENTION XD but it was ironic
Asmodean crystals can only be used by the ones who own them, Blitz has to force the drug dealer guy to open the portal to earth.
Exactly. That detail was obvious. So how did so many people miss that ?
I’m fine with apology tour personally because it was needed for Blitz to finally get to the point where Stolas is at in actually WANTING their dynamic to be more than just sex. Their relationship was a non starter if Blitz didn’t want a true relationship to happen. I think Apology Tour was perfect in making Blitz painfully self aware of how his own self hatred is hurting others when he’s been under the false assumption that him denying committed relationships was somehow helping the other person because his own opinion of himself is so low. And I get the feeling Stolas is going to get his own reality check very soon… if he doesn’t it will be a problem, but it’s far to early to stress over until we see where this story’s heading.
The problem I have with it ...is once again we have to shift their characters almost 360. Stolas didn't love Blitz ....he was infatuated with him as his only friend and connection. The man broke in to take the book, and that is how their relationship began. In fact, Blitz was actually the one in control here, because he simply could have taken the book and ran away.
Yet, he felt sorry for him, & he choose to stay, & he choose the contract.
There were benefits for both parties.
They were equal, until suddenly they weren't.
Stolas started to take things too far. You missed the fact that he started to abuse the power he had in the contract ..inwhich he had Blitzo acted as his bodyguard on at least two other missions. That wasn't the deal, and he started to utilize their power differences in other ways to make Blitzo do other things.
Now Stolas wants a real relationship, but instead of finding out what he needs to do to make that happen. He instead choose what makes him feel less guilty and say things like I'm setting him free....like master and servant.
The problem was ....Blitzo himself chose the contract, because with it ....they were equals.
They were partners in crime, but once he broke it ...it became Stolas wants it this way. So, what now, if he drops him ....he would seem to be a greedy person who only wanted the ability to travel, and if he stay ...it's because he feels he owes him. It was a no win for Blitz.
To sum it up:
People often forget ...but in a love confessions ...it's just as much of a burden for someone to answer ...as it is for someone to wait on the answer.
@@letb5569 I think that’s a little unfair to Stolas. The bodyguard parts were indeed not a part of their contracts however at the end of the Day Blitz agreed to them, less so Loo Loo land but the Harvest Festival Blitz took Stolas up on the offer. Let’s also not forget Blitz used Stolas to get into Ozzies and lead him on to think it was a date when it clearly wasn’t, so it hasn’t been a one way street.
There is definitely a power imbalance in Stolas’s favor for most of their relationship that Stolas recognizes (though he still hasn’t fully taken the steps to correct those issues). But once he gave Blitz the crystal and gave the choice to Blitz to stay or go the ball was in Blitz’s court, and Blitz didn’t swing. And Stolas broke the relationship off and was seemingly fine to leave it at that, or at least give them space for himself to cool off that Blitz failed to respect and pushed.
Stolas set Harvest Moon up to fail with his terrible communication but it’s Blitz who needed to realize he wants more out of this thing than he has had up to this point. If this was about simply the deal then when Blitz got the crystal he could have just taken it as “Well, I fulfilled my end of the contract and got the ultimate thing I wanted, peace out bitches!” But he didn’t, because he wants more out of this than he’s willing to admit. Apology Tour got Blitz to the place where Stolas has been for a while, now they actually have a chance to work out their issues because now they both want it… assuming Stolas hasn’t completely moved on at this point.
... Buy all things that are unholy ! You stole his fans really are weird and lack any self-awareness. The owl is the one who also screwed up. It's been stated time and again, yet you still ignore it.
And that's why you like that owl. He's just like you in the sense that he ignores the obvious when it's starting at him in the face.
Because you're just like that
@@letb5569... They both screwed up. In Full Moon Stolas screwed up more there. In apology tour they, both screwed up.
Tbh, I don't think it's fair to assume Blitz doesn't want a relationship with Stolas. As it is unfair to assume he does because we simply do not have access to that information.
We cannot take what Blitz says at face value cuz he will do anything if it means he has control of the situation. Its why his first response to any personal conflict is to yell and insult.
I think the episode is about how his need for self preservation is very selfish and ends up hurting people.
I think the people who like Stolitz, actually love the concept more then the reality.
The concept being a cute pairing of two opposites, both an enemy to lovers and childhood romance package.
Reality though is two dysfunctional adults who should just avoid one another as they worsen each other. Stolas needs to be a dad to Octavia and stop guilting Blitz, and Blitz should just focus on being less shitty.
I actually hate the childhood romance aspect, that felt tacky.
But I like them as the messy people they are, bc that feels true to life for me. Apology Tour did a great job of removing the fandom lenses bc most ships wouldn’t have a healthy discussion like the couch scene, or show you can still talk and care about each other while being reasonably mad and hurt.
Most enemies to lovers centered stuff would go straight to making Blitzø jealous, and spend the whole episode lingering on it.
In real life you can’t always help who your person is, and no one is ever going to be perfect. You just have to see each other for who the other person is and Stolitz are starting that now. They only had a shallow understanding of each other before, and the framework of their previous relationship played into that. Now they’ll see each other at their worst and realize they still want that connection
Exactly. Those two are both equally screwed up.
@@milkflavoredIt was less of a "childhood romance" on Blitz's Part. Stolas had the crush, Blitz didn't. stolas might have remembered Blitz as a kid, Blitz didn't
@@seeleunit2000Blitz had to remember Stolas or he wouldn’t have known to go after the book 😑 Stolas is the one who told him about it
I think it's kind of the opposite. Many people who were fans of the pairing loved how messy and disfunctional it was. See Sarcastic Chorus himself. The concept of two equally flawed people getting in a relationship just for business and lust, then starting to become more and more dependent on it due to the desire of both of them to be loved and their abandonment issues, and ultimately wanting to change the nature of their relationship but having a hard time due to how it started... This is what drew people to this ship. Two characters who took their relationship light-heartedly or carelessly at first, and then got hurt because of it.
The "childhood friends" part of this story, and season 2 ep 1 in general, annoyed a big part of the fandom back then, because it changed the nature of this ship. On one hand, it tried to make it more morally acceptable by saying that the arrangement was based on a miscommunication (and this convinced some people who were against or neutral to Stolitz to give it a chance). But on the other hand, it meant that these two characters were never on the same page. Not only there was miscommunication regarding what they wanted their relationship to become, but also on what their relationship was from the beginning. Back then, many people used to believe that Stolas thought their relationship was based on lust, at first. Maybe Stolas had also a romantic attachment to Blitz, and maybe he believed that Blitz had physical attraction for him as well, but the fandom thought that Stolas knew that Blitz had no romantic feelings. So, they thought that Stolas himself was trying to get content with the lustful nature of their relationship. This was supported by how Stolas proposed their arrangement, by Stolas' "that's a mood Gabriella" (Gabriella was screaming "why won't you love me Alejandro??"), by the fact that he was so happy when Blitz asked him out (he was like "Blitz is ready for the next step??"), and by the fact that when Blitz said what he thought their relationship was in ep 7, Stolas didn't look surprised, just sad and sorry. But season 2 ep 1 seemed to imply that Stolas believed there were romantic feelings on both sides. This seems like a minor detail, but it makes a huge difference.
Though, this actually reinforces your statement even more. I too believe that many people love Stolitz more because of the concept than for what they actually are.
Stolas fans: “Just be patient! Stolas will get called out.”
Yeah like by the end of the year in December. What they don’t realize is we have to wait MONTHS for these episodes like the next one won’t even be about stolas it’ll be about blitz and his issues again. This show spends more time calling out blitz than it ever does stolas
People say “but viv does know Stolas is also wrong! She didn’t forget!”
Yeah and she said Millie would get her own development and we’ve been waiting YEARS for her to get some. The most we got was in that cringe camp episode which was mostly overshadowed by moxie’s issues and blitz’s thing with barb. The other was a short with Sallie which was rushed cause it was a short.
Face it Millie still gets done dirty despite what viv says so unless she actually shows that she will call out stolas I’m not buying it. Her word isn’t enough. Action speaks louder than words.
So yeah it’s fair of sarcastic chorus and people like us to criticize the writing we see right now. Stolas hasn’t been called out by anyone in the show except blitz and Octavia. Eveyone else babies him like he’s the victim. While blitz is treated like a monster and octavia as overreacting.
Honestly, Viv's word has as much weight as a feather.
It’s fine to discuss the fact that he hasn’t been criticized much and state your hopes for it but it’s a little much to actually call it bad writing in a situation where we know the stolas criticism we want is coming and we all agree that the blitz criticism is accurate is a little much 💀
Also, just because it's not Stolas' turn to be on the spotlight of "you sucks, get a hold of yourself", doesn't mean they have to IGNORE his issues... It was so frustrating when in the latest episodes, everytime Blitzo had any right reason to be upset or was wrongfully called out, they glossed over that fact and turn it so that Stolas was in the right... in the latest one, Stolas brings up the fact Blitzo ignored him when Striker kidnapped him, and the writing totally glosses over the fact Blitzo had to take Loona to get her annual shots that she was waiting for five years (you know, being an actually good father, something Stolas should understand but, woopty fucking doo, Stolas being a shitty parent, who would've guessed it) and still sent the M&Ms to save him... which they succed at. I can't wait to see, when/if Stolas will be actually called out, the horde of people telling it's not true and he was actually perfect, because that's the framing of him thus far in the show's eyes... even when the facts says otherwise...
I'm sorry but judging writting solely by the way you consume it is just inaccurate. I agree that it's taking long in general, but having to waut months matters little when what's really important is the story itself. If we applied that logic to anything we'd only approve of episodic shows. Yes, media takes long to produce. However, having to wait months for a release is more of a contextual explanation for your feelings than a statement on why it is poorly written. The pacing is kinda off sometimes but it's not as terrible as y'all put it. People complained when there was no progress with fizz and it was all sudden. Now you complain because there was a big argument and so far only one side has been adressed in a full episode when it was dealing with a handful of stuff. I agree it was not perfectly balanced, but to say it's bad writing you need more than that.
Also, I'm sick of people saying "everyone else treats stolas like a baby". He's not the MC so he doesn't interact woth that many characters, but, as you said, via and blitz critisised him. Then, he has two guys who hate him and want who kill him, a butler that appeared maybe twice that is potentially somewhat nice to him, Milly and Moxie which are neutral to him except that one time they kinda felt solly for him when he almost died, his wife that hates him, Asmodeus who seems also rather neutral to him but they get along more than others and that Stolas seems to kinda like, and now verosika and her employee who were the only ones to treat him like an innocent guy because she is blitz's rightfully bitter ex and literally threw a party that was called obsessive by Stolas himself to hate on blitz with no context. Again, I agree he's not portrayed the best, but the amount of people who overdramatise his treatment much like you is insane.
In my opinion, he's not a good written character. Both Blitzo and Stolas have a lot of problems, but since Blitzo gets more screen time. His problems get solved, while Stolas just started to get some more screen time, but that was not enough, especially getting to this major plot. Stolas needed more screen time to get to his other issues before this.
"Breaking bad.."
Me: yoo heisenberg in hell???
"... habits. Bad habits"
i knew someone would point it out
ye, thought the same lmao
Youre goddamn right
Better Call Saul was better
Fight me
The crystal gift from Stolas feels even more worthless considering Stoals only got it BECAUSE of Blitz making amends with Fizzarolli...like genuinely he didn't do shit outside of ask, get rejected, and then just give up. If Blitz didn't do his work, then he probably wouldn't have gotten that crystal since Stolas only puts the most pathetic amount of effort to actually help someone he loves...
OMG TRUE OMG TRUE TRUE TRUE
everyone use the argument that he helped Blitz BUT BLITZ HELPED HIMSELF!!! Like he expects Blitz to be happy about all the "ghost help" he does to Blitzo, how hes supossed to know ??
That's a stretch saying it was worthless. Stolas mentioned before if someone knew he gave that book to Blitzo, it could be bad for the both of them. Seeing how the other episodes is gonna go, Stolas ex would used anything to get back at him. And that would make Blitzo get caught up and would probably get to him first since to them hes nothing. And Stolas hinted in the Full moon episode that it was illegal. It was actually a good move on his part to take that advantage of Blitzo friendship with Frizz to get that crystal. He also needs more credit when credit is do.
Exactly. I mean what would have Stolas done if Ozzy was adamant in not helping ?
Would he have just bothered to even try to swipe a crystal for Blitz ? He says he loves him, yet he doesn't put much effort. He might be attracted to him, yet Stolas NEVER does much for Blitz
how do u know thats all he did?
@@red-rr3isExactly. And at that time Blitz wasn't even looking for a crystal, let alone asked for one from Fizz.
By trying to save both their butts and apologizing (even if the whole thing was an accident, wrapped up in a manipulation on Blitz's Dad's part). Dude still said sorry and meant it.
And he got some good karma out of it.
Look, all I’m saying is that Stolas is very stay-at-home-wife coded
"I'm Stolas. Yo."
I was so grateful when they people came out of the woodwork contesting stolas claims after the entire fandom turned on blitz. I was like damn finally both sides are in the wrong ! All you were missing was being captured by the dhorks after stolas rescued them how he patronized them blitz included .
“Are you little creatures not being careful?” -Stolas to 3 imps and a hellhound, all of which are in the lowest two social classes of hell
The "when have I ever" line makes sense cause no one has pointed out to him that his version of flirting comes off as condescending. Blitz never corrected that other than the "just say my name right" line. Therefore he doesn'ttttt knowwwww. Someone needs to tell him first.
Facts I do like Stolas but my main hope is that he will also get a dress down or at least a chance to see how he is also a problem (I do acknowledge he takes some accountability in the song but still) in the future episodes because yeah I hate when show do the “they talked off screen thing” and they both need a lesson on communication.
Blitz tried to establish boundaries back in Loo Loo land so he could just do his job bodyguarding, and Stolas cuts him off saying he's being cute when he's serious
Still into owo poor owl boy territory. Stolas is 35 not 17.
As a casual fan of Helluva Boss (meaning I'm not aware of whatever essays the Fandom writes and 'agrees on' for theses characters and story lines) I genuinely wonder if the "When have I ever" line is supposed to be yet another thing where Stolas thinks he's merely matching Blitz' energy.
Cause Blitz himself is saying and doing some _wild shit_ to Stolas and that's just written off by the Fandom as "fine, whatever, it's Blitz lol",
so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Stolas genuinely thought they were on equal footing in all this all along.
@@falconeshield He is meant to be flawed as well.
You understand that the Stolitz is not just any ship when Sarcastic Chorus dedicates at least 10 videos to it.
Everyone had a Buffy X Spike OTP ship at some point in their life. For Chorus, it's Stoliz.
I mean the ship is kinda at the center of the whole series. There are other things happening too, but it mainly revolves around them
23:55 - Blitzo also apologised TO STOLAS at the end of OZZIE'S when he refused to spend the night after their night out.
I'm kinda worried that Blitz will be treated as "the one in the wrong" the whole time as they have been doing recently and they act like Stolas is in the clear where as he said he'd give Blitz a choice, then assumes his choice and gets mad at him for his assumption of his choice.
Well, maybe at first as a way of setting up the audience for a complete 180... Since you know, with this phantom it wouldn't be that far off.
@@seeleunit2000 that would be an interesting direction
The fact that Stolus calls it Hallows Eve makes me think it's the night before Halloween
It would make sense for the human world too. Usually adults have their own parties the day before or after Halloween and then the actual holiday is for their kids
Halloween lands on All Hallows Eve, October 31st, which is the eve of All Hallows Day- November 1st.
"all hallows eve" is the 31st, but that being said, before the holiday became Halloween, it was traditionally a festival celebrated on the 30th, 31st, and 1st, in honor of those who had passed on. The costumes were to ward off evil spirits, and offerings were left to your loved ones who had passed on. In its oldest form, it was called "Samhain" (pronounced Sow-win) and was celebrated at that time of year because it was believed the line between the spirit world and the physical world was thinnest on those 3 days.
All hallows eve is original name for Halloween not the day before Halloween.
Thanks to this episode if I ever meet a summoned demon I'll offer him cake
I feel like the show is trying to retcon everything from the episodes prior to "Ozzie's". I mean, they bluntly ignore all the times Stolas has been thirsty and all the pet names he used on Blitzo.
I thought there were some romantic hints throughout season 1, like using "knight in shining armor," "darling," inviting him out for fun, showing concern for his safety, complimenting his assassin skills - however his delivery was also sprinkled in with lots of sexual remarks.
Please prove me wrong, but my sense of Helluva Boss is that it hasn't been as carefully and deliberately plotted and written as we would like or as we would've plotted and written it ourselves, and that characters have been repeatedly retconned or pulled in new directions just based on *vibes.* I get the impression that once Stolas started being written as a sympathetic sad woobie, the writing team forgot how he came across in the earliest episodes.
This. Honestly a lot of episodes come off as '...I get WHAT you're doing, but why did you do it THIS way??' more and more as the series goes along. Besides the predictable 'Stolas feels bad and was treated poorly' that challenges nothing and nobody, Blitz being a loser who overcompensates vs someone who has entire parties planned around how terrible he is was a fast attempt at a character arc under the guise of comedy.
I miss how Stolas was in season 1.
I miss Pilot Stolas
this isn’t true. the show was planned out after the pilot and they had figured out the ending and where the show was going to go while writing season 1. season 2 was written three years ago, and by the time it was finished, only the first two episodes of the show had aired. i don’t think people understand how the writing and production process works, because many assume that viv finished season 1, and then started season 2 and changed everything. that’s not how it works. this was all written years ago, animation just takes time. and by the way, viv said herself that stolas has made mistakes and lacks a lot of self awareness. just because he hasn’t realised that yet doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen.
@@firefliesinthesky384 the thought that all of this is baked in makes it worse. Stolas is definitely gonna get his but there's a nuance to writing that doesn't swing-set and she consistently flies high
The funny thing is, I had a dream about Stolas living with Blitzo and working for him, about a month or so ago lmao. Octavia was there too and they were arguing like a married couple.
Imagine your dream just predicted how these two end up🤣
Also these two already fight like a married couple
@@acesinger6092Ep 2 S2 was the closest to them being boyfriends in the show. 😢
Aw thank you! You did a great job digging into them both!
The use of yakity sax during the montage of Stolas being demeaning to Blitzø absolutely killed me
Is it bad i thought of mlp first
@@oluakinyemi8658Na man you're good. I think of Silent Hill 2 and Maria following James with PH coming to kill both
For this ship to work
Stolas needs to be more self aware
And blitz needs a new history
What some people don’t know or realize that was confirmed by Brandon Rogers aka the voice of Blitz is that Viv already knows how helluva boss is going to end and he and some others knew how it was going to end near the start of the series. So this isn’t some writing and changing things up because how the fans will react like other shows no Vivian has a vision and an ending for Helluva Boss. Hazbin hotel is a different story since it all depends how many episodes the studio is allowing them to have per season.
Stolas: When have I ever looked down on you?!
Stolas from the Pilot and All of Season 1: Are we a Joke to you?
And not just Blitzo. Ironically, he looks down on Blitzo the least. Just look at how he talks to the M&Ms and the wrath imps.
@@valentinkambushev4968 And how he treats his butler. Poor guy needs a raise.
@@valentinkambushev4968moxxie and millie literally never disrespect him and he treats them like shit, like WHAT
@_Dar_29 regardless, the guy's living it up offscreen with his bisexual polyamorus group.
@@SecretMagician dude has bitches
Blitzø: Oh Stolas. That’s…..a romcom
Me: Big deal. You’re already in one!😂
Right? WE’RE the ones watching Helluva Novela
@@milkflavored"Aye why won't you LOVE ME Alejandro!"
It’s so entertaining watching you just hoping for Stolas’s downfall lmao. Like damn the bird has truly sent you on quite the journey.
Honestly, I think Stolas suffering a physical loss of something would be good. Because the guy is too in his head. He can't see past his own flaws
I think Sarcastic Chorus doesn't really pray for his downfall, he just wants characters to hold accountability for their actions. Also, let's be real, Apology Tour was brutal for Blitz.
As much as I'd like them to end up together, when you really look at things......it shouldn't happen.
It's like their trying to retcon/rewrite season 1 because they *didn't* look ahead and are now desperately trying to backtrack to make stolitz canon in the end
I heard Stolas was initially supposed to be a villain. Is that just for the pilot or was it in Season 1 before getting changed during the show?
Yeah, it's painful obvious they didn't think about this while writing the old episodes.
@@Takejiro24apparently Viv had no clear plan for helluva boss, and I think that it was in the pilot, then changed cause Viv liked how 'cute' stolitz was
@@Takejiro24
And what’s so weird a lot of people are like
“Stolas is a much of a more complex character now”
When no. He’s literary treated like an uwu sad boy who can’t do anything wrong
Both by the fandom and even the show. Fight me on it
@@SammyRobinson62232I 100% agree, Blitz makes very valid points- ofc Blitz isn't 'innocent' in this whole mess but when you compare the mistakes if the two together.....Stolas takes the cake 100%
The fact is that I feel that, unfortunately, Vivzie probably won’t put Stolas accountable. He is the fan favorite and the UwU boy of the show. If he does get taken accountable I’m actually gonna be surprised and impressed
finally, something to eat midnight snacks to
2:15 This could be actually a reference to when they met as kids too, because then Blitz takes(steals) a bag but now that they are adults he brings it. From a storytelling point right now this seems weird but when you look at it visually you see the similarity, for example, both times bags are thrown over the balcony(I am not sure is it the same one though)
I'm just here to watch the dumpster fire.
But if stolas did loose everything. Then Blitz would be fulfilling his promise as a kid. OOOOOOH that could've been foreshadowing. Ooooohooohoohooo*clapping like stolas*
That’s exactly where they’re going with it. That and Moxxie’s constant bitching about needing a better receptionist
please god let this happen because it would be so fucking funny
"Oh Blitzy, Loopty phoned."
I never noticed stolas put a cigarette out on his horns…. Add to the fact that blitz is a burn victim
23:57 Remember at the end of Ozzie’s, where he says “I’m sorry” after he declined Stolas’ attempt to have a drink at his place?
Sometimes I wonder if you guys are being semantic. Stolas meant if Blitz was ever sorry and said so with risk it wouldn't be accepted. He did that with Fizz but Stolas didn't know that.
Some relationships like Blitz and Stolas are just so broken and toxic that separation is honestly the healthiest option. And while we all know it’s not going to happen, maybe it should be permanent.
Yonder or Fonder. We'll see.
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It’s almost like Season 1 Stolas is a completely different being than the Stolas we currently have and the show seems to treat that old Stolas was never a thing.
Vivzie's writing in a nutshell. Don't worry about what happened last episode, worry about what's happening NOW.
@@TheDapperDragonher work comes off as being built around scenes designed to be clipped out of context and shared/memed by fans
Weren't there a lot of romantic hints dropped by Stolas in season 1, though?
I've never thought of "knight in shining armor" or "darling" or inviting someone out to a festival as sex only, but that's just me.
Sadly, there are two things that are keeping Blitz and Stolas from getting together....Blitz's love of green apple flavored candy and his dislike of Dum-Dums and Jolly Ranchers.
XXDXDXD The best video to come from this ship XD
I'm sp proud of this fandom for that treasure
I understood that reference
Not only has Blitz apologized in front of Stolas, he's apologized to Stolas. Two and a half times.
He said he was sorry that he couldn't rescue Stolas because he was taking Loona to the doctor/vet, and he said he was sorry after the clusterfuck disaster that was Ozzie's.
But I suppose asking Stolas to remember every word Blitz has ever spoken is a tall order, especially when the feefees are so strong.
After Ozzie's, he only apologized for not coming in - he didn't apologize for using Stolas for their date. It's still a start, though.
3:28 you also have to remember in full moon in the very beginning it says it’s SEPTEMBER on Stolas’ magic calendar alarm clock thing- all sorts of confusion
I'm assuming the mortal world clock and the underworld one doesn't match 100:
I just double checked this and it does not
I ain’t going to lie. Sassy Stolas made me wanted to punch a hole in the wall (just joking but still)
I also hate whenever people try to point out Stolas flaws. Another defense is “oh you just wanted the show to explain their feeling”
No we want to have Stolas to be held accountable just for once.
I also will get jump for this. But it feels like Viz and the writing team didn’t plan the series at all. Which is why there’s all of these retcon
So maybe my memory is off, but didn't Stolas do a lot of romantic hints during season 1, too? I always considered his use of "knight in shiny armor," "darling," complimenting him on fighting, etc. I know a lot of sexual comments were mixed in there, but I always took it as a sign of romance.
No offense but You need to touch a lot of fucking grass
I’m saying I’m praying for Stolas’ downfall, if he has to end up working for Blitzø I’d love that :D
I think Stolas saying Blitzy instead of Blitz isn't him being condescending, it sounds more like he's using it as a cutesy pet name and thinks Blitz likes it
That's the thing. *Stolas* thinks it's cute. *Blitz* might see it as condescending.
Heres the issue: Blitz has multiple times told him that he hates the nicknames. Why continue using them?
Stolas calling Blitz, Blitzy wouldn't be a problem if the nickname was consensual. Blitz made his distaste for his nickname quite clear with Stolas.
I can't forgive Stolas for hiding behind his menu.
all the date was blitz ignoring him and stolas hide after they humiliated him and mentioned his ex wife and daughter in front of everyone 🧍
Also him getting up from his seat ready to leave when Ozzie was approaching him. Quite shitty taking into account that Blitzø was cornered at that moment
@@yes.1374it was quite shitty blitz used stolas just to stalk moxxie and millie, but we ain't gonna talk about that 😂
Fair. That's fair
@Axel_Kasai... That's already been discussed out the ass. Well it was terrible of blitz to do that and no one's justifying what he did when Moxie and Millie told him to stay out of it, Stolas is not blameless. And again, the owl started the whole sex for services situation in the first place
I'd also like to mention that in that beginning part he says, "I sorried Fizz so hard he cried!!" when it was him who cried 😢. So he lied about that
Blitz not admitting to vulnerability gasp
@falconeshield I know typical blitz 🙄, but i didn't recognise that he lied first time through it was on second hearing that I thought on about it and realise how cleverly sneaky the writing was there
People seem to conveniently forget who really started this toxic relationship but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation. Just remember who initiated being sexual first
And someone not only consented, but kept it going by picking up the telephone. So what are you really saying.
Yeah, like the amount of people who forget that Stolas was drunk is astounding.
Blitzo literally slept Stolas out of pity when he just wanted to steal the book. Stolas calls back thinking that Blitzo is ok with bedding him, since he already did once before. If Blitzo didn’t want the relationship to continue, maybe he shouldn’t have slept with Stolas when he had the choice not to.
I mean Stolas was getting a bit flirty at first but that was probably because he was drinking strong alcohol, but then Blitzø started making the scene sexual
@@milkflavoredIs Blitzø agreeing to Stolas' transaction *really* giving consent? Blitzø was basically told that if he wants to keep using Stolas' book, he needs to bed him, keep in mind that Blitzø needs that book in order to run his business, its key to both his livelihood and that of his employees and adoptive daughter, Blitzø has *everything* to lose if he said no while Stolas has *everything* to gain if he said yes. Their transaction is *far* from an equal exchange and giving consent through that transaction is questionable at best, because realistically this is sexual coercion. In our world, if someone told you that you had to sleep with them in order to keep your business afloat, if you even implied that the person who agreed to this gave their consent, you would be called out for victim blaming. And the only reason Blitzø picked up the phone was because it was ringing *while he was being chased by a psychopath with a gun,* anyone would pick up the phone just so the ringtone wouldn't give their location away, and you know what Blitzø said the moment he picked up? That it *wasn't a good time,* which Stolas proceeded to ignore, why are you considering this damning proof that Blitzø consented to this?
Stolas: "Talk dirty to me or you're fired!"
Blitzo: *Talks dirty.*
Stolas: "I'm uncomfortable with the way you're speaking to me now!"
That is not what happened AND not how consent works, maybe check that out before You hurt someome.
He never forced him to talk a specific way 😂
I know my last relationship was fucked up bc apology tour was like holding up a mirror to the shit we put each other through for 2 years. They had the exact same insecurities and bad habits as blitzø, and I definitely had a social power imbalance over them, and dropped small hints and kept giving outs bc I felt like I was taking advantage of them. We literally decided to have a sexual relationship in exchange for emotional support bc we were both in bad places and had just been hurt. That was how it started and then we both caught feelings (obviously). Every interaction between Stolas and Blitz gives me flashbacks and it’s humiliating. It even tracks as people often only blamed them for our issues, when I was also to blame for not being direct and ignoring the social power imbalance. Each episode makes me cringe bc of how accurate it is.
I'd be perfectly happy if both Blitz and Stolas could get back to a point of genuine friendship. I don't need them to be in a sexual relationship. There's supposed to be two more seasons after this one, so hopefully there will be enough space for that to happen. Having said that, I also don't want this to turn into the Blitz & Stolas show either. Other characters need their moment in the spotlight too.
While I would prefer them to stay broken up, if the plan is getting them back together, changes and accountability need to happen with BOTH of them. Because this toxic, manipulative and abusive song and dance of Stolitz has gotten very old very quickly. I'm so done with them just going round and round in circles with no development or communication or change in their dynamic and being absolutely awful to each other. It's exhausting.
Give me a solid reason as to WHY they should be together instead of the million reasons why not or do me and everyone a favor and keep them broken up.
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While I think the show has provided reasons that make them compatible, I definitely agree that they aren't shown as well. One complaint I've always had is that if we're supposed to root for them, then there should be more screen time or clearer genuine attraction shown between them.
I think Stolas' comment about Striker is just another example of him NOT treating Blitz as an equal or with respect. Sure doylistically the shot subplot was a meaningless diversion to keep Blitz away so he could get shocked by Stolas' condition, but watsonianly Loona needed potentially lifesaving preventative treatment that she's supposed to have yearly, that she hasn't had in 5 years and probably won't have for another 5 years. If Blitz had to reschedule, it would have meant risking Loona's well being and probably her LIFE given we're talking about HELL rabies (I'd assume it's not better than earth rabies).
Stolas would do the same damn thing as Blitz if he was in the same position caught between Blitz being in danger and needing help and Octavia's life being unavoidably at risk everyday for 5 more years if she didn't get a vaccine. And he'd probably call the same two people to help too, despite not knowing Moxxie and Millie exceptionally well from what we've seen, because he knows they're capable enough that Blitz trusts them. At least Blitz seemed to seriously consider working out some way to go for Stolas himself before Moxxie offered, and even still he seemed reluctant to not be there for him. I don't know if Stolas would accept that trade off with Octavia if he DIDN'T have someone else available to save Blitz's life. I genuinely think if he had no other options, he'd just be like "I will be there as soon as I can, but I have to take care of my daughter first and that's going to take a while."
And yet he's really giving Blitz shit for not personally coming to save him, when HE KNOWS Blitz was taking care of his daughter, KNOWS it was for her Hellbies shot, KNOWS it took 5 years to get the appointment and would thus probably take another 5 to reschedule, and KNOWS Blitz personally sent the two most capable combat specialists he knows to save him in his stead as soon as he possibly could.
Honestly I wish Blitz would've gone all mama bear at that shit and torn Stolas a new one like "EXCUSE YOU, WOULD YOU LET VIA GET RABIES FOR ME?! BC IF SO I DON'T NEED TO THINK ANYMORE, MY FEELINGS ARE FU-" like OF COURSE he's going to choose his daughter over you dude. THAT'S HIS DAUGHTER.
"Stolas would do the same damn thing as Blitz if he was in the same position caught between Blitz being in danger and needing help and Octavia's life being unavoidably at risk everyday for 5 more years if she didn't get a vaccine"
Honestly, considering his behaviour in Shooting Stars... I'm actually unsure if he would prioritize Octavia over Blitz. Stolas has been shown to spy on Blitz multiple times, and even interceded once to save IMP's ass from DHORKS. Despite all of that, he doesn't attempt to scry for Octavia while looking for her, and gets distracted hilariously easy when Blitz is forcibly side-tracked into the dumb sitcom, leaving Loona as the only one actually looking for Octavia. There's also him prioritizing bringing Blitz along and flirting with him constantly on a day meant to cheer his daughter up, and prioritizing fighting with Stella over a day out with his daughter that she'd been looking forward to for *years*.
Blitz would prioritize Loona over anyone else (Including his own well-being, considering how he went out for her even after the utter fucking trainwreck for him that was Ozzie's), but Stolas' own behaviour shows him constantly prioritizing himself and his own wants over Octavia, even when she's practically crying out for help.
Loving your commentary on this series, your criticisms are reasonable and your rants on the characters writing is fun to listen to!
Put your therapist glasses on Fizz. You may be our only hope.
But honestly, please just have Blitzo go to Fizz and tell him about what happened. Fizz has a healthy relationship, and would see the red flags in both. Fizz starts with what Stolis did and then asks what Blitzo did in response. Fizz would also go off on him, causing Blitzo to leave. Fizz upset, and genuinely wanting to help Blitzo now, would talk to Oz about how he doesn't know what to do. Oz decides to call Stolis to his office, and Fizz would say he is going to surprise Blitzo with something(while implying it involves horses) and blind fold him. Then have Oz teleport Blitzo into the office, while the King of lust and his boyfriend dig these guys a grave, and trows them in to figure out their shit.
I would love to see a conversation between Fizz (or Oz) and Stolas (after Blitzø has told him everything and Fizz has told Oz ofc) and see them tear him apart about the power imbalance. Clearly it’s something they’ve struggled with (see: crooked) and deal with on a regular basis in a healthy way. I think Asmodius would be SCANDALIZED by the way Stolas actually treated Blitzø and the transactional nature of their relationship.
I’ve never actually been less okay with them not ending up together, because last episode completely convinced me that Blitz is in love with Stolas and I find the idea of them not ending up together if that’s the case really depressing
Exactly how I feel. And it would also kind of invalidate Stolas’ feelings by implying he got over Blitzø that fast. They’re both doing the work now, but there’s no rule that you can’t support your (potential) romantic partner while they change
I mean we FINALLY got confirmation Blitz might've fallen for Stolas post his nightmare against the Dhorks. I can live without Stoliz but it's about time that was addressed.
stolitz is more complicated than the question did the chicken or the egg come first 😭
4 videos about one episode? pretty sure that's a record. i agree though; i'm praying on stolas' downfall. ...in a loving way.
So can we talk about how literally all of Stolas's alternate outfits are better than his regular one?
The amount of people now pointing out stolas is gold, it was always framed that blitz was the main issue but never looked at stolas and ignoring what he did originally even if he attempted to change it
AYE IM SO FUCKINGEARLY
lol finally
Same
Same!
Stolas needs a friend. Not a lover, a friend. Then he could start to get better, then get back with blitzø.
"Babe, wake up, another Stolitz video just dropped."
"No."
"Understood, carry on."
Hey no one more doesn't hurt
Yeah, Stolas and Blitzo both need to improve, and I really do wonder how they are going to make this work in a health relationship. Love your content and analysis videos.
Okay, my favorite thing coming out of the fandom right now... is everyone making montages of Stolas being demeaning towards Blitzø in varius goofy songs in response to Stolas' denial. 😂😂😂
We're all just CLOWNING on this oblivioys birb
Honestly? I would think it'd be more emotionally resonant for them to not get back together. Two lovers who realize that there's simply too much between them to start over again, but ultimately better for it as the experience with one another helps them evolve as people. And if you're still wanting that type of relationship in the show, there's still Asmodeus and Fizz.
But this is Vivziepop's writing, and if she wants something to happen, then it will happen, regardless of what would be best for the characters both in terms of story and tone.
Okay, I think the thing with saying Blitz could've just stolen one, you have to remember that before he was using the book illegally and Stolas was also illegally permitting it. So no matter what the issue of legality would be into question. Plus Stolas said the crystal was registered in Blitz's name, meaning if Asmodeus notices his crystals being used for unauthorized reasons, he could crack down on their use and catch Blitz. And also remember, Unhappy Campers is BEFORE the events of Oops play out, so Asmodeus would be even MORE biased against Blitz than just some random imp using the crystal
Just briefly on the timeline thing, I feel likes it's pretty possible the Blitz just hasn't touched his calendar (aka its behind). Because if you look closely at the calendar, there's 3 more pages after it, so 3 more months in this year. So unless Full Moon happened in September and we had a month timeskip, Blitz just hasn't changed the calendar (which based on the stains and tears on it seems likely).
Great video, great analysis, love your vids about Stolitz, and it really brings out how deep this situationship iceberg goes
I'm honestly surprise many people think Stolas isn't going to get consequences when it very much implied he very much going to have it. Like we have Octavia calling him out, they just first have to call out Blitzo and they can't both be called out at the same time. Their issues are both incredibly different and have to be handled differently, Stolas needs his daughter to tare into him and the other goetia calling it out or even noting how it just some fling.
While as we see Blitzo needed to see how exactly he hurts others so I am eager to see how it going to be handled. So I say I be patient since it clear Stolas issues are going to come to a head~
16:24 he literally said to stolas that he has to take loona to a important shot and he was the one who sent m&ms to save him
i dont know why i dont hear people talk about this but Stolas realizing Blitz never told him about Striker is that unlike the petty thieves that Stolas takes care of at the end of E2 S1, Striker has heavenly weapons (idk the full name). And if it wasnt for Blitz stopping him the first time Stolas couldve very well been dead. Whenever Blitz knew or not im surprised Moxxie never said anything.
But the realization that Blitz knew about the hitman before he nearly died at his hands and didnt bother telling him must have brought him to a terrible (and false) conclusion that i honestly cant blame Stolas for
Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
It would be so interesting if you debated Danny Motta on this. He's very much team Stolas even if he has started acknowledging that he may have a small part to play in the relationship breakdown recently.
Danny doesn't pay attention though. He forgets character names, plot lines, etc. Most of his reactions are just cheering Stolas on while not acknowledging anything he's done wrong, he's basically an average stolas supporter commenter.
@greyblueme9711 Recently, he uploaded some lives. He actually reacted to a video by Sarcastic Chorus and acknowledged some of the points he made. I think of all his reacts, he's very ingrained in Helluva Boss.
I wouldn’t watch Danny debate if you paid me. SC Is the kind of person who would pause the screen to zoom in and read the texts messages. Danny is the kind of person who barely catches that Stolas got a txt from Blitzø at all
@milkflavored I swear he did. If you check out his community posts he always comments on the zoomed in texts. He has a running theory that Blitz isn't dyslexic or illiterate and the way he proves this every time is by zooming in on things he writes. Like the apology list in this episode. Everything is spelt correctly, he's the one who pointed it out.
I feel like Octavia is going to have a song and I can’t wait ❤
Maybe the look my way music video wasn’t completely canon because the part where Stolas has the realisation “unless it’s me and no matter what in this world I could give, it’s not enough to break through the walls you’ve conjured up to live.” It sure sounded like he’d had the realisation and could see Blitzø’s perspective but then he doesn’t take that into account on the full moon or afterwards.
I love these deep dives into these characters
While I understand and respect your opinion, let's remember that the show will have 4 seasons, and that we are still halfway through season 2.
It seems to me that it is still too early to draw conclusions, just enjoy the present
Y’all weird af wishing for a character’s downfall…I want both stolas and blitz to realize they’re in the wrong, that’s it. Blitz is just starting to acknowledge his shitty behavior and I’m pretty sure Stolas’ behavior will also be explored.
And yes, I do want them to end up together because they have potential. Their dynamic is great, and it makes sense story wise…but I only hope it happens AFTER they work on improving themselves. First comes friendship.
Btw you don’t have to be a stolas or blitz apologist nor do you have to demonize them (hah) either. They are complex and deeply flawed characters, but that’s also what makes them fun and relatable.
Yeah! One thing this show doesn’t miss is the character writing. Their reactions might be flawed from an objective standpoint, but as far as being realistic, consistent characters, everything they are doing and saying makes perfect sense based on their complex beliefs, feelings, and experiences. They just need some self-reflection to see how their actions have hurt others, and how their unhealthy beliefs and coping mechanisms make it harder for them to get what they want. Just like real people. And also like real people, old habits are difficult to break. I’m personally really excited by Apology Tour because this shift in the status quo of their dynamic is an ego-shattering wake up call for the both of them. We’re getting Blitz’s perspective and growth first because he’s the main character and he needs to establish what he wants now, after what happened, but I’m positive Stolas will get his moment soon too. I don’t want it to be a rigid, perfectly structured “arc” and you can pinpoint one ~big character growth defining moment~ as the catalyst. I want their path to getting better to be messy! Growth isn’t linear in real life! So far, this show has been excelling at making messy characters. I think Full Moon and Apology Tour is a good development.
Thank goodness, finely a reasonable person! It's really weird and spiteful to wish for the downfall of either of these incredibly flawed and damaged characters. Can't we all just hope for growth and healing for them even if they don't get back together? I would love for them to get back together, but if they don't, that's okay too as long as they both grow from it. Folks need to chill with all of the hate. It feels like some really weird projection to hope for either of them to crash and burn.
Ok, thank you. That's the most reasonable freaking thing anyone has said
Except AT didn't, they demonized Blitz to make Stolas in right and like he did nothing wrong, this wouldn't be an issue if Viv kept her word they both are to blame but she didn't and never even says Blitz is only wrong, just they're both. If you still believe Viv truly cares about being consistent which she literally just retconned everything Stolas has done and made false promises, you have issues and support her legit sewage and atrocious writing.
As someone who has seen the leaks, I find all of this so frustrating because I know it's coming.
I'll be honest, just because I think it's safe I imagine Stolitz are endgame, but it would be refreshing to have them both realize they're not right for each other but depart as close friends.
In a recent live from Brandon Rogers, he said he was on Blitz's side and he's one of the writters, so I'm sure in a coming episode Stolas' behaviour is gonna be addressed
Surprised this was actually about how they're both wrong and not just a roundabout way to dunk on stolas again 😂