Robert Smith yeah. It’s kind of crazy how that works out. There is a picture of Reed Fischer (Tinman Elite Adidas Pro) wearing the 4% Flyknit at the Houston half marathon. He’s obviously not the only example as so many pros have felt the wrath of their sponsors as a result of wearing Nikes
@@benanastasoff8980 but then if they are falling behind others that are wearing the nikes, they are in danger of losing sponsorship. So it's a lose lose situation for them. Until the other manufacturers catch up its not really fair (in my opinion)
I look at this as a transformation its an inevitable change more the world progresses the more things improve there are a number of factors its not just shoes only track its self keeps getting better and better making it conducive for runners , way they train , eat , equipment they use etc and experts know more about running than it was 50 years back . not to forget some people are really talented to me that is the most useful part. i ll just enjoy sports as it comes in
Over time the fast times in the world have fallen, I can't help but think that the records are because of the athletes. I subscribe to the idea that people will wear what is most comfortable because it allows the athlete to focus on the pain of running not the pain of their feet. These shoes seem to fix the pain on the feet issue by absorbing a portion of that energy. Plus carbon fiber plates have been around for a while in spikes. I think the fact that the shoes are more comfortable, due to good cushioning, is what makes them great, but that's just me.
I totally agree with you! There actually isn’t even a carbon plate in the dragonfly. It’s Pebax, just like some many other spikes. It’s kind of irritating though when people blame achievement on shoes or doping. Just because a shoe loses less energy doesn’t mean an athlete isn’t working to win, it just means that they are closer to their full potential
Good points, however perhaps we need to look at this a little more carefully. If a shoe is designed to optimize returns it begins to behave like a spring, therefore the runner is working less to run faster. This then becomes a paradigm shift in technology and an ethical issue as well. My take on the video is one that makes us decide which way we want to go with this. Personally, I’m a Bekele enthusiast, diametrically opposed to any technology that permits a shoe to behave spring-like. I simply would rather not wear them and be able to say I ran that 10k with nominal returns. This video points out many times are falling around these shoes, and that is good for business because those shoes will sell, no matter what the price.
dog tagged, I respect your opinion but I disagree. Everyday modern trainers give a lot more energy return than the leather flats people used to wear for the marathon in the 1940s. So if I went back in time to the 40s and mass produced a shoe like that would it get banned in that time period as well? Older tracks were made of dirt and cinder now we have rubber tracks that give a bit of spring back and we call that fair. While this combination of this technology may help an athlete on a very small level I believe it’s the foot in the shoe that runs fast, not the shoe on the foot. Helping athletes reach their potential.
dog tagged let me ask you this: what is the most basic law of physics? The answer to that is the inability for energy to be created or destroyed. Energy is put in and inevitably lost in heat. While I am extraordinarily impressed with past world records, I don’t look down on new ones because of technology. What many of the athletics originalists believe to be fair is essentially a shoe that just loses a ton of energy in the form of heat. That is what’s happening. The shoe does ZERO work. The plate doesn’t even work like a spring (which still wouldn’t give more energy than the athlete). The plates are basically just for stiffness which allows the runner to place more mechanical torque upon the shoe and therefore translates into less energy lost. The phrase energy return is misleading. There is no such thing as energy return in the sense that it it often used. ZoomX foam has an 80% rebound (best case). That basically means that 20% of the runner’s effort is lost in heat. Does that sound unfair? How can it be considered unfair for a runner wearing a shoe that loses energy competing against a runner wearing a shoe which loses a little bit less energy? We live in a (mostly) free market world and competition is encouraged and rewarded by the system. What Nike did is not impossible for other companies to do. They do not defy the laws of physics. While Nike has been on top for a few years now, it looks like they may get a push soon. That may mean lower prices, higher availability, and even better shoes. The solution is not limitation, it’s competition.
Samuel Roberts - Seems we’re at an impasse. You are correct about the history enough to make me think you are involved with it. I’m a business owner, so I know as do most, that there is always a pitch or innovation that will get you those customers to call you back with orders, even if it means a sacrifice along the way. If Nike was to admit they went beyond accepted norms to achieve these results, what do you think people would say? “We are only interested in a faster time with less pain”, right? While that may be true, it doesn’t make it right. Anyway, thanks for the insight.
Try a shoe with a higher stack height, and run less, increasing distances no more than 10%/wk. I've found that increasing in kilometers, & not miles is a great help until distances are built up to 10 miles. Good luck✌
Barry Kelleher most world records now actually aren’t in those swim suits. In my opinion those suits probably made more of a difference at the time... but companies figured out new ways of making suits to fit new standards and techniques got better so naturally times dropped. Times dropped so much that I believe Michael Phelps only has 1 world record now
@@gamingnoob4417 For the swimming, many of the times still stand. They just ignore those records so now they have an official WR and a bodysuit WR (the one that is ignored)
You think Bekele would run a 12:35 to open the season..in humid weather..during a pandemic? No, give Joshua credit and accept that bekele is #2 all time
@@alexsoileau4579 first of all that was my opinion . second I didn't even say anything ab cheptegei yes he worked hard and earned the wr. But technology definitely played a huge influence on his performance.
I think they'd be okay in XC, but only on firm, dry, perfectly flat terrain. Any mud or uneven terrain would make the ZoomX foam horrifically unstable. The Victory XC 5 and Matumbo 3 will definitely stay the top options for XC, but the Matumbo will be harder to come by now that it's being replaced
I think it would be good on an even grass surface. I live in Arizona though and we don’t really do that here. Everything is super hard packed and would absolutely destroy the dragonfly. A lot of people just use road shoes for XC for that reason
These shoes don’t show us if runners have gotten better or if the shoes have gotten better. Many of these new great performances could have been achieved many years ago if they had the same opportunity for energy return and flexibility. We will never know if and how much athletes are improving because of the boosts the shoes give them. There will only be more technological advancements to come.
Our training methods have gotten better but in terms of our physical abilities, we haven't changed that much genetically. However our technology has evolved leaps and bounds
Nutrition and training strategies have also improved dramatically over recent years and I would argue they offer a bigger advantage than the shoes alone
Agreed! All these broken records should come with an asterisk because of these bionic shoes. They make a huge difference at least 10 to 15%, maybe more. They act as a springboard. I think the authorities having finally got around to regulating the amount of foam they can use, but the damage has been done. Has a made a mockery of the sport.
I think if Bekele would run under 12:30 with these shoes, Cheptegei would run under 12:20....it's always just as much as needed for the WR.......how about just analyze the facts and not thinking too much about them?
Here is a idea can you do a video about all the shoes wear during world records like the 1500m 5000m and the 10000m like what shoes were hicham wearing when he ran 3:43.13
Always an interesting debate with athletics tech. People should watch Malcolm Gladwell's TED talk comparing Jesse Owens and Bolt. He concludes basically that Bolt is only slightly faster than Owens if you remove the 75 years of tech and new knowledge Bolt had.
Cheptegei was clearly knocking on the door of this record, but I don't think it was a coincidence that Bekele's record lasted for 16 years unchallenged, but falls as soon as this shoe comes out.
Herein lies the conundrum. A thorough investigation into the efficacy of this technology in terms of increased gains (regardless the wearer) has not been conducted nor has it been seriously challenged, allowing patented breakthroughs to be released relatively unchecked. The governing body, IAAF, and independent agencies, should be demanding and assessing the science and test results found behind return inertia response technologies, prior their release.
Well, professor, can you also explain then, how come, the 1500m WR was not broken "as soon as this shoe came out....."?????? Also, how come the 800m WR was broken in adidas, 9 years PRIOR to "this shoe coming out".....????? Also, how come the 3000m steeple was not broken since 2004?????? and the mile and the 2000m etc.......?????? UUUUUUUUUH, so maybe it's not only the shoe, but someone's feet.........
Cheptegei's will be unchallenged too for 16 years, just like Bekele's, hellllloooooo nobody could break it for 16 years with Bekele's shoes!!!!!! Professor Rogers, you're dumber than you think!!!!
@@waterproof4403 Yeah, and before that he was 13:30, and before that he was a kid....so what, he trained hard, he made mistakes and he became the best....
When I can get can a pair of these will be pleased to tell you what I think! They are "only" RRP £130 in the UK (half that of the Alphafly) but sold out instantly the other day when there was a clearly limited drop but, of course, there now seems as many on eBay for crazy prices as there are on the feet of keen amateur runners. Of course the Nike athletes are in them as they get given what to wear (bit like the same vest!) but interestingly these are somewhat cheaper than the also new "ZoomX" Air Zoom Victory which Nike say is a 800-500 spike so interesting that Cheptegei's opted for Nike's "budget" ZoomX spike! TBH I find it unlikely that these spikes make a huge difference but even saving a second in a track distance race is often difference between 1st and 4th. Also if the spikes are that good where was everybody else in the race? I note Jake Wightman in the 1500 went almost unnoticed to 2nd UK all time and now faster than all of Coe/Ovett/Cram but he is in New Balance.
@@christopherwilson9182 Because (a) I am a British 800/1500 runner and anybody beating the times of Coe/Ovett/Cram is amazing and bread and butter for this channel - "The second fastest (UK) time in HISTORY" :) (b) I know his father & coach (Geoff) well and Jake himself a bit, (c) Illustration that you can run extemely fast even if you are not a Nike athlete and so not in Nike shoes which is kind of the topic in question in this video.
@@TimGrose but he has been noticed by you but that doesn't mean everybody else really cares. Comparing a world record and the second best UK time is ludicrous. It doesn't have the same outreach and it shouldn't because IT'S NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL
Christopher Wilson Well obviously but still worthy of note as a track & field fan... And also I thought this video was as much about the possible effect of these spikes than the performances per se so trying to offer some extra perspective.
Coming soon, the Nike Quick-Run-Like-Fuck-Here-Comes-The-Coppers. Guaranteed to help you do an 8.5 second 100 metres. Yes, we know the World Record is 9.5, but we here at Nike know a short-cut. Nike have come a long way since the days of Bowerman, Knight, and Prefontaine. Now we are designing shoes to help you outrun a squad car. Tick ........ whooooosh.
Somerandomperson- Ha..ha..ha! I think the oversell fits the shoe, as it’s so over the top, but that’s probably not such a good thing, is it? Ha..ha..ha!😂 Thanks for the laugh
Nike has always made great RACING shoes, I'm hoping they will concentrate more on TRAINING shoes. I stopped buying their trainers 35 years ago, but have tried them on every year since.
Such an incredible spike. I've secured a deal for the olympic colorway of the Air Zoom Victory, but I'm even more excited to get my hands on the Dragonfly. Can't wait to go smash my official 10k PR at long last (I've only run one official 10k, and it was a couple years ago so I'm gonna knock 4-5 minutes off of it)
@@CoolGuy-fw2zz Thanks to COVID I only ran one official 10k last year, and it was a slow race. I won it in a really slow time, but I was also saving strength because I had to race the 1500m less than twenty minutes afterward. However, during training I did run a 10k tempo in 31:27, so that was a pretty significant unofficial PR. I'm hoping to run something in the mid to low 29's this Spring
Shoes are just one piece of the marginal gains that allow these world records to fall. The work the athletes put in is always superhuman and is the bulk of what gets the record over the line, but you can’t forget the advances in nutrition and training support devices that allow themselves to hold themselves in peak shape for so much longer so they can push their bodies to higher level performances. The partnership and work of the pacers to set him up for the time. The partnership of coaches and other athletes who push each other in training. Higher level competition is key to pushing and motivating higher performance. The advanced materials of the shoes and clothes certainly contributes but is small compared to these other things. It shouldn’t be overlooked though that the sponsorship from Nike also enables the ecosystem that these athletes are thriving in.
Jacob Schenkel - Very nice comment. I still have a hope for humanity, that this sport will grow out of these shoe technologies that threaten to separate it too much from its past. This may sound sentimental, but I like that there was a barefoot WR marathoner, Bikila, to show the world what the ultimate benchmark could be.
Best track spikes ever made we out of Kangaroo shin.Old timers remember those from the 60s early 70s.You could run super fast on the ole dirt 440yd tracks.They were outlawed in 73.Ran track 15 years.Never even came close to that feeling with any spike.
This is so genuinely cool and I never knew about this. I am in no way an 'old timer' but I just think it's fascinating how they used kangaroo shin. It's extremely clever.
@@quadraticf they hugged your feet perfectly.They were 4oz.and they flew.Remember were training in heavy sneakers in the day.Big. Puma or Adidas.No Nike or any other brands.Most tracks were thick dirt. You ever wonder how the 68 OG 4x 4 ran 255.3.Resistance training and Kangaroo skin
In a way, every shoe gives you a boost... The differences are usually small, but you don't run barefoot or with hiking boots for a reason. If some shoes are better suited for track running, one of them will be the best. This might or might not be a nike shoe, there sure is a lot of marketing involved and it might depend on the runner. Why do you think that years ago a 4 minute mile seemed impossible, and now a lot of athletes can do it? Humanity doesn't evolve that fast, I do think that shoes play a role. Of course training methodology (and doping) might also play a role, but still.
The shoes don't inherently give a boost either. What the carbon fiber plate is doing isn't actually propelling you but increasing your running economy. It won't "create" energy of its own but it will return more energy back to the runner.
The next but one, but one, model will be the Nike Tardis, Stilts, Z%!. These will conform to the World Athletics shoe specifications by bending space-time around the two-metre cushioning foam so that it only looks like it measures two centimetres.
But did you notice that the Brit who finished third in the 1500 behind Jacob set a big, sub 3:30 pb, in New Balance? Are you saying that if he wore these magical Nike spikes he would break the World Record? Also Monaco is a famously fast track (recently resurfaced?) I suspect improvement s in track surfaces have as much to do with faster times as any new footwear!
@TotalRunningProductions can u make a vid on the Nike Air Zoom Victory spikes that Timothy Cheruiyot was wearing when he raced against Jakob when he got the European record just recently? Please do so, it would be much appreciated and good content.
Not sure if the zoom xc 3's used just a carbon fiber shank or if the carbon fiber was full length, but I loved those spikes while racing so if the dragonflies are anything like that they sound fantastic
There's always the looming question of whether the atlete's are getting better or the technology, many sports scientists argue today's athletes are only fractionally better than those of 100 years ago when our technology is removed from the equation. However, I can't help but think it is the extraordinary athletic ability of those like Eliud Kipchoge and Kenenisa Bekele (who have been recently breaking down insurmountable barriers) tbat is responsible for world records being pushed further and further. Although of course, the role of sports technology cannot be ignored
What about the new running track? After successful testing and accreditation of the CONIPUR Vmax athletic track systems to World Athletics specifications, biomechanical measurements were carried out with top athletes under real conditions - and demonstrated superb values.
He has the record and no one can take it away from him. But when running nerds talk about "the greatest", we talk times and potential. If they are contemporaries, like cram and coe, we talk times. If they are from different eras, we talk potential (all things being equal ie. Shoe tech, track surface, nutrition and training knowledge). Though both are still professional, I would label Bekele and Joshua from different eras due to the rapid advancement of tech. Who knows, the length of an "era" may get shorter and shorter due to the faster and faster advancement of tech.
The Victory is more aggressive and forward-oriented. It has a full length carbon plate and a bisected forefoot air zoom unit, plus a lighter atomknit upper. The Dragonfly is more focused on efficiency/longevity, and its plastic spike plate extends all the way back to the heel for rigidity. There's a lot of event overlap between the two.The Victory is more 800-5k, and the Dragonfly is more geared for the 1500-10k.
40mm stack limit on road shoes after Nike announced a 39mm stack height. Now a 25mm pair already in development when new 25mm limit was brought in. Sebastian Coe is as crooked as they come. He's taken some serious backhanders from Nike.
@@aarondavidson907 yes I agree something is going on. I just get sick of elite sport and all the bribes and bungs that go on behind the scenes. Then a new person comes in and promises to sort it all out. Then someone offers them a bribe to keep quiet and then nothing gets done. It makes a mockery if the sports that we love.
Kenenisa Bekele is probably still was the best 5k runner of all time. If he wore these shoes during his world record race he definitely would’ve gone under 12:35
If Bekele gone under 12:35, Cheptegei would have gone under 12:30, when you put and if in a sentence, then it doesn't solely relate to one and only factor, but to ALL of them......so just let's forget about ifs, buts, ands, only look at the FACTS, shall we???????
Who remembers the track spikes with brushes instead of spikes , late 60s. Not sure who the manufacturer was, but they were banned after athletes broke Sprint records. Anyone know who made them ? And what times were run ?
I dont think they will have added much at all i think it is just that athletes are getting better and that people have been eager to race and train hard in quarantine
I'm buying my first spikes. Never had spikes before. On the tracks, what's the MINIMUM speed per mile I should be doing on the tracks so that they don't feel strange on my feet??
What’s even more amazing is that the narrator said they were the exact same pair of shoes. I’d be surprised if Ingebrigtsen really took his shoes off after running and gave them to Cheptegei.
I belive if bekele wear this shoe now in this age can break his own record. This ugandian runner his form is dangerous he will have short span but bekele his form and speed is perfect runner on his age. Nobody can run like this man
It has nothing to do with Shoes/spikes...It is purely due to the athlethe's hard work and discipline. These big brands must stop taking credit for people's sweat!
Put an athlete it rigged boots and another in a pair of super light shoes and see who wins a 5k. What you have on your feet and the tech involved makes a difference. Look at the world of cycling nd how carbon and aerodynamics has made a difference there.
@@adamhardcastle9252 let's not use extreme examples. "Rigget boots" is a bit of an exaggeration...let's say both athletes would wear comfortable, entry level professional spikes. I say they would still achieve great times, with or without these overrated ones. This is just a marketing gimmick bro, and if you fall for it, you are also gullible to mass consumerism...FYI, several years ago there were many professional middle distance runners who won elite competitions in their BARE FEET...what do you make of that?
@@adamhardcastle9252 don't use cycling as a comparison bro. Cycling is a "vehicular" racing sport. In other words you need to improve the bike as much as the cyclist himself. Just like motor racing, horse racing or rowing. It's the vehicle that counts...here we are talking about running, which primarily requires the use of the body as a performance tool
Watched a video about the brush spikes used in 1968 Olympic Trials. They were banned, which is what these shoes should be. They give an unfair advantage to someone who can afford them. The fact they give any advantage should ban them the same way they banned the brush spikes.
If el Guerrouj had really been interested in breaking the 5000m WR, he had done it, running the 3000m in 7.23 on his own. they say what you can run over 3000m alone, you can go over 5000m. I think he didn't want to hurt Gebresselassie.
But then wouldn't all your competitors also have a pair of these? So you'd end up in same place or, most likely, qualy time would have to be more strict or everybody would qualify.
I feel like equipment advancements are just part of the sport. I don’t know if we should be running on ash tracks barefoot to make sure the records are safe or not...
Drym if one brand comes up with amazing technology we shouldn’t be mad at them because the technology they came up with was good. Instead other companies should try to innovate with similar technologies so multiple companies are able to have some amount of technology.
Nike pays its best athletes to wear these shoes, just because they perform well, it does not mean it is because of the shoes. This is mainly a marketing strategy.
ember sef They are paying the best athletes? If a top athlete has been improving their time and knocking on a world record with every meet, it’s only a matter of time. Thinking a shoe is ehat made the difference is a little ridiculous when someone was dominating the field without it. They said the same thing for Eliud Kipchoge but he was already a top marathon runner who got better with every marathon. I think the breaking 2 experiment helped him far more than the shoe.
Nike Victory XC 5 or New Balance XC5k. For flat, dry, even terrain courses a pair of Matumbo 3's will be your friend because they're lighter and faster but have enough cushion to deal with XC.
Very strong confirmation bias in this video. No mention that Timothy Cheruiyot beat ingebrigtsen without the dragonfly’s desperate pacing the race terribly. Also, I’m fairly sure Bekele ran his record in prototype shoes so based on the current rules, his shoes would be illegal. Normally love these videos but I feel we are looking for a story more that just enjoying a great performance. It really detracts from the sport to have this debate brought up every time a record is broken.
No. This record was handed to Cheptegei on a silver platter. Especially the 10000m. It was orchestrated. With robotic wavelight pacing system helping him.. Bekele ran it by heart
Most of these new top times are run in inter-squad meets with no drug testing. I'm not accusing anyone of using performance enhancing drugs, but it is a strong possibility.
@@Nm-qj4sy wouldn't you rather know that your PB came from hard work and good training rather than just buying something that will make you faster? But then if you are racing in these all the time and still getting faster you know that the improvement is you and not the shoe. I guess the main problem comes when you line up to race and you're the only one not wearing them, you're immediately at a disadvantage. But if you're only aiming for a PB and not worried about beating competition, I couldn't be proud of myself wearing these.
@@Thegardener87 well it was an 800m, where the shoe doesn't give a huge favour or disatvantage. I know I'm know im putting in the work. The shoe felt great, and it is legal to run with. Why shouldn't i use them?
@@Nm-qj4sy haha you sound exactly like my coach. He says we can't stop technology. Yes 800m there is barely enough time to gain any significant advantage. I don't know what exactly it is about them, something just stick in my side about such big advantages (mostly on the road at this point) in such a short period of time. What happens then if you're training really well and you know you're in pb shape (let's say the 5km Road race). You've run 14:55 in the alphafly last year and you're feeling great but rules change and now you can't wear them. Now, even though you're fitter and faster than last year, your time might be slower because you have to wear inferior shoes. And what happens at elite level? If the shoes were banned in the future, do we have to cancel out all of the records set in them? Obviously this is very hypothetical because I can't see them being banned. Just wondering how other people look at it. 👍🏻 Congrats on your PB by the way
Nah, they basically just gave him the shoes and had him run in them, giving them free marketing without doing anything. It's all these people saying that the shoes are unfair and breaking records for the runners, nike's just cashing in. I don't blame em really
I think as long as shoes are in the same category of design there isn't much a shoe can do to improve an athlete. I still don't understand how any kind of spring on a shoe could help you run any faster, you would have to show me a video with an explanation and demonstration of the mechanics involved. I think the running form of a good athlete can do a million times more than what even the most advanced alien tech shoe can do for anyone, apart from the visible form, things that you don't even see, not even in slow motion, like muscle activation and timing
Lol 2 years ago these spikes were like a thing of legend and now theyre like the only spike you see at a high school meet
I think it's really interesting how one company has created such a dominant range of shoes. Nike's got some smart engineers working for them!
It's funny that in the road races even athletes sponsored by other shoe manufacturers are wearing the alphafly because they know its faster.
It’s called marketing.
@@snoochpounder true, they have marketed the crap out of this. Very well put together campaign. Someone is getting a big Christmas bonus this year.
Robert Smith yeah. It’s kind of crazy how that works out. There is a picture of Reed Fischer (Tinman Elite Adidas Pro) wearing the 4% Flyknit at the Houston half marathon. He’s obviously not the only example as so many pros have felt the wrath of their sponsors as a result of wearing Nikes
@@benanastasoff8980 but then if they are falling behind others that are wearing the nikes, they are in danger of losing sponsorship. So it's a lose lose situation for them. Until the other manufacturers catch up its not really fair (in my opinion)
When ever nike releases a new controversial shoe i learn as much as i can about it and then lecture my family on it.And guess what my family hates it
I look at this as a transformation its an inevitable change more the world progresses the more things improve there are a number of factors its not just shoes only track its self keeps getting better and better making it conducive for runners , way they train , eat , equipment they use etc and experts know more about running than it was 50 years back . not to forget some people are really talented to me that is the most useful part. i ll just enjoy sports as it comes in
Over time the fast times in the world have fallen, I can't help but think that the records are because of the athletes. I subscribe to the idea that people will wear what is most comfortable because it allows the athlete to focus on the pain of running not the pain of their feet. These shoes seem to fix the pain on the feet issue by absorbing a portion of that energy. Plus carbon fiber plates have been around for a while in spikes. I think the fact that the shoes are more comfortable, due to good cushioning, is what makes them great, but that's just me.
I totally agree with you! There actually isn’t even a carbon plate in the dragonfly. It’s Pebax, just like some many other spikes. It’s kind of irritating though when people blame achievement on shoes or doping. Just because a shoe loses less energy doesn’t mean an athlete isn’t working to win, it just means that they are closer to their full potential
Good points, however perhaps we need to look at this a little more carefully. If a shoe is designed to optimize returns it begins to behave like a spring, therefore the runner is working less to run faster. This then becomes a paradigm shift in technology and an ethical issue as well. My take on the video is one that makes us decide which way we want to go with this. Personally, I’m a Bekele enthusiast, diametrically opposed to any technology that permits a shoe to behave spring-like. I simply would rather not wear them and be able to say I ran that 10k with nominal returns. This video points out many times are falling around these shoes, and that is good for business because those shoes will sell, no matter what the price.
dog tagged, I respect your opinion but I disagree. Everyday modern trainers give a lot more energy return than the leather flats people used to wear for the marathon in the 1940s. So if I went back in time to the 40s and mass produced a shoe like that would it get banned in that time period as well? Older tracks were made of dirt and cinder now we have rubber tracks that give a bit of spring back and we call that fair. While this combination of this technology may help an athlete on a very small level I believe it’s the foot in the shoe that runs fast, not the shoe on the foot. Helping athletes reach their potential.
dog tagged let me ask you this: what is the most basic law of physics? The answer to that is the inability for energy to be created or destroyed. Energy is put in and inevitably lost in heat. While I am extraordinarily impressed with past world records, I don’t look down on new ones because of technology. What many of the athletics originalists believe to be fair is essentially a shoe that just loses a ton of energy in the form of heat. That is what’s happening. The shoe does ZERO work. The plate doesn’t even work like a spring (which still wouldn’t give more energy than the athlete). The plates are basically just for stiffness which allows the runner to place more mechanical torque upon the shoe and therefore translates into less energy lost. The phrase energy return is misleading. There is no such thing as energy return in the sense that it it often used. ZoomX foam has an 80% rebound (best case). That basically means that 20% of the runner’s effort is lost in heat. Does that sound unfair? How can it be considered unfair for a runner wearing a shoe that loses energy competing against a runner wearing a shoe which loses a little bit less energy? We live in a (mostly) free market world and competition is encouraged and rewarded by the system. What Nike did is not impossible for other companies to do. They do not defy the laws of physics. While Nike has been on top for a few years now, it looks like they may get a push soon. That may mean lower prices, higher availability, and even better shoes. The solution is not limitation, it’s competition.
Samuel Roberts -
Seems we’re at an impasse. You are correct about the history enough to make me think you are involved with it. I’m a business owner, so I know as do most, that there is always a pitch or innovation that will get you those customers to call you back with orders, even if it means a sacrifice along the way. If Nike was to admit they went beyond accepted norms to achieve these results, what do you think people would say? “We are only interested in a faster time with less pain”, right? While that may be true, it doesn’t make it right. Anyway, thanks for the insight.
I just wish Nike would invent a running shoe that stopped my right calf muscle from tearing every time I run!!!!
Word. Or gave me runners knee from using a barbaric 10mm drop on every damn pair of shoes
@@makingpeoplefeelgoodwillia3511 I haven't ran on my toes since the late 1970s. I'm a heel striker.
Try a shoe with a higher stack height, and run less, increasing distances no more than 10%/wk. I've found that increasing in kilometers, & not miles is a great help until distances are built up to 10 miles. Good luck✌
check your liver if everything is all right, Wish you success.
This is like the swim suits they banned after 2009 worlds as all records broken and equipment costs too prohibit for all athletes
@@bsmoov7 really man?
Barry Kelleher most world records now actually aren’t in those swim suits. In my opinion those suits probably made more of a difference at the time... but companies figured out new ways of making suits to fit new standards and techniques got better so naturally times dropped. Times dropped so much that I believe Michael Phelps only has 1 world record now
@@gamingnoob4417 For the swimming, many of the times still stand. They just ignore those records so now they have an official WR and a bodysuit WR (the one that is ignored)
Cam Maunder there’s world records that still stand but I believe more world records now are set without a super suit
@@gamingnoob4417 but imagine if our best swimmers are wearing super suits tho?
Thanks for the shout out @Total Running Productions! Can’t wait to rock these on the track! 🏃🏻💨
I believe if Bekele had today’s shoes in his prime the 5k world record would still be his
Do you think Bekele might have broken the record if he was using the same shoes Paavo Nurmi used in the 20s?
@@Themanhimself-o1h absolutely
You think Bekele would run a 12:35 to open the season..in humid weather..during a pandemic? No, give Joshua credit and accept that bekele is #2 all time
@@alexsoileau4579 Yah i think people just kind of have a hard time accepting that this record would be taken down.
@@alexsoileau4579 first of all that was my opinion . second I didn't even say anything ab cheptegei yes he worked hard and earned the wr. But technology definitely played a huge influence on his performance.
I wonder if these could be used in an XC race and be beneficial
Like A Clock he isn’t saying that he is asking if these shoes could help you shave off some seconds in a xc race.
I think they'd be okay in XC, but only on firm, dry, perfectly flat terrain. Any mud or uneven terrain would make the ZoomX foam horrifically unstable. The Victory XC 5 and Matumbo 3 will definitely stay the top options for XC, but the Matumbo will be harder to come by now that it's being replaced
I think it would be good on an even grass surface. I live in Arizona though and we don’t really do that here. Everything is super hard packed and would absolutely destroy the dragonfly. A lot of people just use road shoes for XC for that reason
@@benanastasoff8980 I do that, imagine the Alphafly in XC 😂 a lot of injured people
When is your season beginning
These shoes don’t show us if runners have gotten better or if the shoes have gotten better. Many of these new great performances could have been achieved many years ago if they had the same opportunity for energy return and flexibility. We will never know if and how much athletes are improving because of the boosts the shoes give them. There will only be more technological advancements to come.
Our training methods have gotten better but in terms of our physical abilities, we haven't changed that much genetically. However our technology has evolved leaps and bounds
Precisely. Records are falling around inception of these shoes, as the video points out. That is not a good sign at all.
Nutrition and training strategies have also improved dramatically over recent years and I would argue they offer a bigger advantage than the shoes alone
I think bekele running this shoes his own peak 5k world record under 12:30...
Agreed! All these broken records should come with an asterisk because of these bionic shoes. They make a huge difference at least 10 to 15%, maybe more. They act as a springboard. I think the authorities having finally got around to regulating the amount of foam they can use, but the damage has been done. Has a made a mockery of the sport.
I think if Bekele would run under 12:30 with these shoes, Cheptegei would run under 12:20....it's always just as much as needed for the WR.......how about just analyze the facts and not thinking too much about them?
Exactly! Also the robotic wavelight pacing technology is helping athletes too. Haile Gebrselassie would have ran sub 12:30 with out a doubt
@@shandytorok259 you freaking 🤡
@@Vedioviswritingservice they killed the sport sadly
I just think that foam is super important when it comes to distance running.
I do better without foam
Here is a idea can you do a video about all the shoes wear during world records like the 1500m 5000m and the 10000m like what shoes were hicham wearing when he ran 3:43.13
That would be cool
Good idea fam
Always an interesting debate with athletics tech. People should watch Malcolm Gladwell's TED talk comparing Jesse Owens and Bolt. He concludes basically that Bolt is only slightly faster than Owens if you remove the 75 years of tech and new knowledge Bolt had.
I think the spikes will help greatly talented runners run better and break more records in the future.
Cheptegei would not be able to break the world record without this shoes
In my opinoin
I agree. He is talented. Would come close, but without shoes and light pacing, no record.
Kanishak Tomar -
Your opinion is correct. This is not placebo effect. These are tangible gains the shoe itself is providing.
I think he could but it would be really close....although if bekele had his pacing then I think he could run 12:34
Cheptegei was clearly knocking on the door of this record, but I don't think it was a coincidence that Bekele's record lasted for 16 years unchallenged, but falls as soon as this shoe comes out.
Herein lies the conundrum. A thorough investigation into the efficacy of this technology in terms of increased gains (regardless the wearer) has not been conducted nor has it been seriously challenged, allowing patented breakthroughs to be released relatively unchecked. The governing body, IAAF, and independent agencies, should be demanding and assessing the science and test results found behind return inertia response technologies, prior their release.
Well, professor, can you also explain then, how come, the 1500m WR was not broken "as soon as this shoe came out....."?????? Also, how come the 800m WR was broken in adidas, 9 years PRIOR to "this shoe coming out".....????? Also, how come the 3000m steeple was not broken since 2004?????? and the mile and the 2000m etc.......?????? UUUUUUUUUH, so maybe it's not only the shoe, but someone's feet.........
Cheptegei's will be unchallenged too for 16 years, just like Bekele's, hellllloooooo nobody could break it for 16 years with Bekele's shoes!!!!!! Professor Rogers, you're dumber than you think!!!!
No. Cheptegei was a 12:57 runner before this attempt...
@@waterproof4403 Yeah, and before that he was 13:30, and before that he was a kid....so what, he trained hard, he made mistakes and he became the best....
When I can get can a pair of these will be pleased to tell you what I think! They are "only" RRP £130 in the UK (half that of the Alphafly) but sold out instantly the other day when there was a clearly limited drop but, of course, there now seems as many on eBay for crazy prices as there are on the feet of keen amateur runners. Of course the Nike athletes are in them as they get given what to wear (bit like the same vest!) but interestingly these are somewhat cheaper than the also new "ZoomX" Air Zoom Victory which Nike say is a 800-500 spike so interesting that Cheptegei's opted for Nike's "budget" ZoomX spike! TBH I find it unlikely that these spikes make a huge difference but even saving a second in a track distance race is often difference between 1st and 4th. Also if the spikes are that good where was everybody else in the race? I note Jake Wightman in the 1500 went almost unnoticed to 2nd UK all time and now faster than all of Coe/Ovett/Cram but he is in New Balance.
Why would people think about the second fastest uk time when somebody just beat a long standing world record
@@christopherwilson9182 Because (a) I am a British 800/1500 runner and anybody beating the times of Coe/Ovett/Cram is amazing and bread and butter for this channel - "The second fastest (UK) time in HISTORY" :) (b) I know his father & coach (Geoff) well and Jake himself a bit, (c) Illustration that you can run extemely fast even if you are not a Nike athlete and so not in Nike shoes which is kind of the topic in question in this video.
@@TimGrose but he has been noticed by you but that doesn't mean everybody else really cares. Comparing a world record and the second best UK time is ludicrous. It doesn't have the same outreach and it shouldn't because IT'S NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL
Christopher Wilson Well obviously but still worthy of note as a track & field fan... And also I thought this video was as much about the possible effect of these spikes than the performances per se so trying to offer some extra perspective.
The victory don't actually have any zoom x foam as far as I know, just zoom air. Maybe that's why, not sure though
Jesus these Nike shoe names are getting ridiculous😂 what’s next? The Nike dragon alpha firefly impossible air zoom bounce x percent percent?
You forgot to put "plus" next to the percent
I'd definitely buy a pair of those
Coming soon, the Nike Quick-Run-Like-Fuck-Here-Comes-The-Coppers.
Guaranteed to help you do an 8.5 second 100 metres. Yes, we know the World Record is 9.5, but we here at Nike know a short-cut.
Nike have come a long way since the days of Bowerman, Knight, and Prefontaine. Now we are designing shoes to help you outrun a squad car.
Tick ........ whooooosh.
They've got Viperfly as well ☺️ and accidentally I called it Snakefly 😄
Somerandomperson-
Ha..ha..ha! I think the oversell fits the shoe, as it’s so over the top, but that’s probably not such a good thing, is it? Ha..ha..ha!😂 Thanks for the laugh
somehow i always find myself on this channel
This is just evolution of the sport. These shoes dont have any motor in them it only helps the athlete to use his full potential
Exactly!! The shoe is just a shoe
@@did.it.myself9022 shut up
Nike has always made great RACING shoes, I'm hoping they will concentrate more on TRAINING shoes. I stopped buying their trainers 35 years ago, but have tried them on every year since.
Such an incredible spike. I've secured a deal for the olympic colorway of the Air Zoom Victory, but I'm even more excited to get my hands on the Dragonfly. Can't wait to go smash my official 10k PR at long last (I've only run one official 10k, and it was a couple years ago so I'm gonna knock 4-5 minutes off of it)
How did it go?
@@CoolGuy-fw2zz Thanks to COVID I only ran one official 10k last year, and it was a slow race. I won it in a really slow time, but I was also saving strength because I had to race the 1500m less than twenty minutes afterward. However, during training I did run a 10k tempo in 31:27, so that was a pretty significant unofficial PR. I'm hoping to run something in the mid to low 29's this Spring
Shoes are just one piece of the marginal gains that allow these world records to fall. The work the athletes put in is always superhuman and is the bulk of what gets the record over the line, but you can’t forget the advances in nutrition and training support devices that allow themselves to hold themselves in peak shape for so much longer so they can push their bodies to higher level performances. The partnership and work of the pacers to set him up for the time. The partnership of coaches and other athletes who push each other in training. Higher level competition is key to pushing and motivating higher performance. The advanced materials of the shoes and clothes certainly contributes but is small compared to these other things. It shouldn’t be overlooked though that the sponsorship from Nike also enables the ecosystem that these athletes are thriving in.
Jacob Schenkel -
Very nice comment. I still have a hope for humanity, that this sport will grow out of these shoe technologies that threaten to separate it too much from its past. This may sound sentimental, but I like that there was a barefoot WR marathoner, Bikila, to show the world what the ultimate benchmark could be.
So it is the shoes which is the problem - not that I am getting old...
😂
Beautiful spikes
What if bekele had these?
Exactly.
Absolutely, Bekele still the 5 and 10k Goat
“What if” is the most common excuse used in sports 😂 Move on to get better results and not hang on to the past.
probably few seconds faster
@@sam88wise22 gosh give Joshoua time he is only 23
Best track spikes ever made we out of Kangaroo shin.Old timers remember those from the 60s early 70s.You could run super fast on the ole dirt 440yd tracks.They were outlawed in 73.Ran track 15 years.Never even came close to that feeling with any spike.
This is so genuinely cool and I never knew about this. I am in no way an 'old timer' but I just think it's fascinating how they used kangaroo shin. It's extremely clever.
@@quadraticf they hugged your feet perfectly.They were 4oz.and they flew.Remember were training in heavy sneakers in the day.Big. Puma or Adidas.No Nike or any other brands.Most tracks were thick dirt.
You ever wonder how the 68 OG 4x 4 ran 255.3.Resistance training and Kangaroo skin
How can a shoe that gives you a boost be allowed for competition? I find it pretty weird
In a way, every shoe gives you a boost... The differences are usually small, but you don't run barefoot or with hiking boots for a reason. If some shoes are better suited for track running, one of them will be the best. This might or might not be a nike shoe, there sure is a lot of marketing involved and it might depend on the runner. Why do you think that years ago a 4 minute mile seemed impossible, and now a lot of athletes can do it? Humanity doesn't evolve that fast, I do think that shoes play a role. Of course training methodology (and doping) might also play a role, but still.
The shoes don't inherently give a boost either. What the carbon fiber plate is doing isn't actually propelling you but increasing your running economy. It won't "create" energy of its own but it will return more energy back to the runner.
Brainy zeronine -
That’s precisely the point I’ve been trying to make. Well said !
No mention of the more expensive Zoom victorys?
The next but one, but one, model will be the Nike Tardis, Stilts, Z%!. These will conform to the World Athletics shoe specifications by bending space-time around the two-metre cushioning foam so that it only looks like it measures two centimetres.
Production Supervisior Of The Official Cheese Federation approves this build
But did you notice that the Brit who finished third in the 1500 behind Jacob set a big, sub 3:30 pb, in New Balance? Are you saying that if he wore these magical Nike spikes he would break the World Record?
Also Monaco is a famously fast track (recently resurfaced?) I suspect improvement s in track surfaces have as much to do with faster times as any new footwear!
@TotalRunningProductions can u make a vid on the Nike Air Zoom Victory spikes that Timothy Cheruiyot was wearing when he raced against Jakob when he got the European record just recently? Please do so, it would be much appreciated and good content.
Which shoes was cheruyiot wearing in Monaco ?
Not sure if the zoom xc 3's used just a carbon fiber shank or if the carbon fiber was full length, but I loved those spikes while racing so if the dragonflies are anything like that they sound fantastic
Worn them and can tell you they are amazing!
There's always the looming question of whether the atlete's are getting better or the technology, many sports scientists argue today's athletes are only fractionally better than those of 100 years ago when our technology is removed from the equation.
However, I can't help but think it is the extraordinary athletic ability of those like Eliud Kipchoge and Kenenisa Bekele (who have been recently breaking down insurmountable barriers) tbat is responsible for world records being pushed further and further. Although of course, the role of sports technology cannot be ignored
Those shoes are on fire!!!!
What about the new running track? After successful testing and accreditation of the CONIPUR Vmax athletic track systems to World Athletics specifications, biomechanical measurements were carried out with top athletes under real conditions - and demonstrated superb values.
He has the record and no one can take it away from him. But when running nerds talk about "the greatest", we talk times and potential. If they are contemporaries, like cram and coe, we talk times. If they are from different eras, we talk potential (all things being equal ie. Shoe tech, track surface, nutrition and training knowledge). Though both are still professional, I would label Bekele and Joshua from different eras due to the rapid advancement of tech.
Who knows, the length of an "era" may get shorter and shorter due to the faster and faster advancement of tech.
Bekele is the greatest
What's the comparison like between these and the also new Air Zoom Victory?
The Victory is more aggressive and forward-oriented. It has a full length carbon plate and a bisected forefoot air zoom unit, plus a lighter atomknit upper.
The Dragonfly is more focused on efficiency/longevity, and its plastic spike plate extends all the way back to the heel for rigidity. There's a lot of event overlap between the two.The Victory is more 800-5k, and the Dragonfly is more geared for the 1500-10k.
40mm stack limit on road shoes after Nike announced a 39mm stack height. Now a 25mm pair already in development when new 25mm limit was brought in. Sebastian Coe is as crooked as they come. He's taken some serious backhanders from Nike.
Underrated comment
It might not be Coe himself that's crooked here, but I agree there is definitely some shady stuff going on over at World Athletics.
@@aarondavidson907 yes I agree something is going on. I just get sick of elite sport and all the bribes and bungs that go on behind the scenes. Then a new person comes in and promises to sort it all out. Then someone offers them a bribe to keep quiet and then nothing gets done. It makes a mockery if the sports that we love.
To anyone who has this shoe, is the bottom of the shoe rock solid because it looks like it is extremely stiff underneath?
Kenenisa Bekele is probably still was the best 5k runner of all time. If he wore these shoes during his world record race he definitely would’ve gone under 12:35
If Bekele gone under 12:35, Cheptegei would have gone under 12:30, when you put and if in a sentence, then it doesn't solely relate to one and only factor, but to ALL of them......so just let's forget about ifs, buts, ands, only look at the FACTS, shall we???????
Who remembers the track spikes with brushes instead of spikes , late 60s. Not sure who the manufacturer was, but they were banned after athletes broke Sprint records. Anyone know who made them ? And what times were run ?
They damaged the tracks lol
Whoever thinks its all bout shoe technology and laser lights go buy them and break those records
0:38 that was a tough guess when the video is about these
Can you make a Video about Terry Fox and his "Marathon of Hope"?
Would be keen to see that too
Nice Nike ad dude
Are these better than the ones announced for the Olympics next year?
I dont think they will have added much at all i think it is just that athletes are getting better and that people have been eager to race and train hard in quarantine
I'm buying my first spikes. Never had spikes before. On the tracks, what's the MINIMUM speed per mile I should be doing on the tracks so that they don't feel strange on my feet??
Haile G, and Kenenisa Bekele are the best runner for 5000m and 10000m In the world
1:12 There was really only 20 minutes between the two races?!
Both performances were at the same meet
What’s even more amazing is that the narrator said they were the exact same pair of shoes. I’d be surprised if Ingebrigtsen really took his shoes off after running and gave them to Cheptegei.
That's how track meets go usually.
The results speak for themselves. If Nike keeps breaking records at this pace I don't see any other company coming close ever again.
I belive if bekele wear this shoe now in this age can break his own record. This ugandian runner his form is dangerous he will have short span but bekele his form and speed is perfect runner on his age. Nobody can run like this man
Bekele is the greatest ever
If bekele weared these shoes he would run 12.33 easily
It has nothing to do with Shoes/spikes...It is purely due to the athlethe's hard work and discipline. These big brands must stop taking credit for people's sweat!
Agreed
Put an athlete it rigged boots and another in a pair of super light shoes and see who wins a 5k. What you have on your feet and the tech involved makes a difference. Look at the world of cycling nd how carbon and aerodynamics has made a difference there.
@@adamhardcastle9252 let's not use extreme examples. "Rigget boots" is a bit of an exaggeration...let's say both athletes would wear comfortable, entry level professional spikes. I say they would still achieve great times, with or without these overrated ones. This is just a marketing gimmick bro, and if you fall for it, you are also gullible to mass consumerism...FYI, several years ago there were many professional middle distance runners who won elite competitions in their BARE FEET...what do you make of that?
@@adamhardcastle9252 don't use cycling as a comparison bro. Cycling is a "vehicular" racing sport. In other words you need to improve the bike as much as the cyclist himself. Just like motor racing, horse racing or rowing. It's the vehicle that counts...here we are talking about running, which primarily requires the use of the body as a performance tool
Cheptegei is a fricking god. 12:35! Hot damn
No
Today was my first Highschool XC meet as a freshman and I ran a 17:04 5K, placed 23rd. Anyone have any tips that could boost my time?
Buy one of these.
All of these new shoes are better springs. They are the track equivalent of the swimsuits that banned.
Watched a video about the brush spikes used in 1968 Olympic Trials. They were banned, which is what these shoes should be. They give an unfair advantage to someone who can afford them. The fact they give any advantage should ban them the same way they banned the brush spikes.
Been trying to get a pair for 2 weeks. checking nike website every day for my size.
Nike owns the IAAF.
Hard to dispute that
If el Guerrouj had really been interested in breaking the 5000m WR, he had done it, running the 3000m in 7.23 on his own. they say what you can run over 3000m alone, you can go over 5000m. I think he didn't want to hurt Gebresselassie.
Lmao shut up. Gebrselassie is the all time greatest ever. El Guerroj is no where near him
wish i had them when i was a junior. I needed 1.5 secs to qualify for world junior champs 1500m. I ran in Nike zoom distance, and adidas oregons
But then wouldn't all your competitors also have a pair of these? So you'd end up in same place or, most likely, qualy time would have to be more strict or everybody would qualify.
@@MarkRai-ko1sk Interesting point you make
I don’t need it. I don’t need it...I NEEED IT!!
I feel like equipment advancements are just part of the sport. I don’t know if we should be running on ash tracks barefoot to make sure the records are safe or not...
We should allow a unique tech of shoes. But if we do so shoe brand are dead.
Drym if one brand comes up with amazing technology we shouldn’t be mad at them because the technology they came up with was good. Instead other companies should try to innovate with similar technologies so multiple companies are able to have some amount of technology.
Nike pays its best athletes to wear these shoes, just because they perform well, it does not mean it is because of the shoes. This is mainly a marketing strategy.
How would you explain all the records being broken with the shoes?
ember sef They are paying the best athletes? If a top athlete has been improving their time and knocking on a world record with every meet, it’s only a matter of time. Thinking a shoe is ehat made the difference is a little ridiculous when someone was dominating the field without it. They said the same thing for Eliud Kipchoge but he was already a top marathon runner who got better with every marathon. I think the breaking 2 experiment helped him far more than the shoe.
I don’t like that shoes are making a difference personally
Makes things more exciting imo
I don’t think they should improve peformance, only protect the foot
I don’t
Shoes don't run a 12:47 or a 12:35.
Anyone thinking the shoes are the only reason Mo and Joshua broke records know nothing about running.
@@stevenfast5764 dumb take
4:48 like my mile time tomorrow 🤯
Are these taking the spot of the mambas?
What cross country spikes would you recommend for this 2020 season? if it happens anyway lol
Nike Victory XC 5 or New Balance XC5k. For flat, dry, even terrain courses a pair of Matumbo 3's will be your friend because they're lighter and faster but have enough cushion to deal with XC.
Aaron Davidson thanks! I was already considering the Victory XC 5s because I already know I like nike, so this might just be confirmation
This is a good Nike commercial, but for broadcasting on TV to long.
Hold up... Cheptegei broke the 5k record 20 minutes after running a 1500?!?!?!?
no he did not run the 1500
No matter what shoe.... U still have to run
i know you have to run but you need also good shoes 🤨
Very strong confirmation bias in this video. No mention that Timothy Cheruiyot beat ingebrigtsen without the dragonfly’s desperate pacing the race terribly. Also, I’m fairly sure Bekele ran his record in prototype shoes so based on the current rules, his shoes would be illegal. Normally love these videos but I feel we are looking for a story more that just enjoying a great performance. It really detracts from the sport to have this debate brought up every time a record is broken.
Michael Winzar -
Yes it does detract. Our instincts tend not to distract us from the subterfuge so that we may perceive the deception.
No. This record was handed to Cheptegei on a silver platter. Especially the 10000m. It was orchestrated. With robotic wavelight pacing system helping him..
Bekele ran it by heart
My question is.... where do I get a pair
I run only 80% the speed of Bekele or Cheptegei but I get injured twice as often as either of them.
dragonfly or new victory for 1500M please ?
Me who don't run: guess it's all about shoes all alonga
Can you make a video about today’s Jacob Kiplimo
I mean this is a joke but imagine your at a cross country meet and you see nico young pull up with the nike dragonflies
Most of these new top times are run in inter-squad meets with no drug testing. I'm not accusing anyone of using performance enhancing drugs, but it is a strong possibility.
The only fast time(in the video) that was in an Inter-squad meet was moh’s time(12:47 5k). All the other times where in international meets
Without this shoe, the record could have not been broken. Just saying
Who's excited to see the viperfly's thoooo
Can't wait to get a pair
I love them so far. Got a new pb in my 1st race
@@Nm-qj4sy wouldn't you rather know that your PB came from hard work and good training rather than just buying something that will make you faster? But then if you are racing in these all the time and still getting faster you know that the improvement is you and not the shoe. I guess the main problem comes when you line up to race and you're the only one not wearing them, you're immediately at a disadvantage. But if you're only aiming for a PB and not worried about beating competition, I couldn't be proud of myself wearing these.
@@Thegardener87 well it was an 800m, where the shoe doesn't give a huge favour or disatvantage. I know I'm know im putting in the work. The shoe felt great, and it is legal to run with. Why shouldn't i use them?
@@Nm-qj4sy haha you sound exactly like my coach. He says we can't stop technology. Yes 800m there is barely enough time to gain any significant advantage. I don't know what exactly it is about them, something just stick in my side about such big advantages (mostly on the road at this point) in such a short period of time. What happens then if you're training really well and you know you're in pb shape (let's say the 5km Road race). You've run 14:55 in the alphafly last year and you're feeling great but rules change and now you can't wear them. Now, even though you're fitter and faster than last year, your time might be slower because you have to wear inferior shoes. And what happens at elite level? If the shoes were banned in the future, do we have to cancel out all of the records set in them? Obviously this is very hypothetical because I can't see them being banned. Just wondering how other people look at it. 👍🏻 Congrats on your PB by the way
@@Thegardener87 let's just have everyone run barefoot then...
The 1500 Meter World Record Next
Did they call it 'mechanical doping' when man was put on the moon?... No. This gets hate because the others are worse at making shoes, end of
Not a fair comparison
NIKE is trying to take credit for this machine?
Nah, they basically just gave him the shoes and had him run in them, giving them free marketing without doing anything. It's all these people saying that the shoes are unfair and breaking records for the runners, nike's just cashing in. I don't blame em really
Jakob ran in these shoes last year as well... At least the prototype.
They should release it without spikes as a neutral racing flat
They will, and probably call them them the nike zoom ultragigasupa elite hyperfly premium plus. I for one would buy a pair
Last time I was this early, actually there wasn't a last time
At 5'6" in height and weighing 115 lbs. he probably could have broke the 5000m world record....barefoot !
I love them ! Way to keep innovating,Nike !
Better fancy shoes than EPO...safer.
cheptegei had both tho
I think as long as shoes are in the same category of design there isn't much a shoe can do to improve an athlete. I still don't understand how any kind of spring on a shoe could help you run any faster, you would have to show me a video with an explanation and demonstration of the mechanics involved. I think the running form of a good athlete can do a million times more than what even the most advanced alien tech shoe can do for anyone, apart from the visible form, things that you don't even see, not even in slow motion, like muscle activation and timing
Anyone here in late 2024??
These shoes are just “Ho-Hum” nowadays, they used to be so legendary 😂