Paul Merson and Mike Dean's HEATED debate on VAR after Luis Diaz disallowed goal 😡
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Paul Merson and Mike Dean clash over why Tottenham vs Liverpool could not be stopped after the VAR mistake which wrongly disallowed Luis Diaz's goal.
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I’m not the biggest Paul Merson fan but I laughed when he said “ did you think you were that clever you were never going to make a mistake”.
Well said Paul it’s not life and death it’s more than that var need to get the right decision in real time what ever it takes full stop
Football managed for 160 years without VAR, the alternative is to go back to what we had where decisions were incorrect every week anyway. However, this mistake should never have happened.
@@jimmelton5846you comments insinuates var is to blame when it is absolutely not this is human and officiating error the pgmol needs to have serious look at its rules and official the technology was fine and done it’s job it’s these same old fools can’t seem to get things right
The error is so crazy I’ve genuinely assuming foul play or some sort of match fixing
@@buchiaduba1523 incorrect, it doesn't insinuate that. I'm fine with VAR, it should however be used to right the wrongs on the pitch and not used to double down on incorrect decisions. My comment was aimed at the person suggesting that these decisions are more important than life or death despite not having VAR since day dot.
why have negative opinions about people?? biggest fan?? he has an opinion and is in a position to give it, no need to hold ill will.
Sorry but after that Simon Jordan interview where Dean admitted to not sending the ref to check VAR cause he felt like he’d had a ‘tough enough time already’ his point of view means nothing anymore
Standards are very low, need a new set of referees trained properly.
@@mh4841Why would anyone choose to be a referee in modern day football? The amount of abuse they take (often deserved) would turn anyone away.
@StupidVideos40 good pay and the implementation of better refereeing standards can change this. Referees in other sports are respected, this can change in football if the model and structure of refereeing was changed. There needs to be a bit more open conversation and less of the boys club vibes. Today's referees are stuck in the old generation of football.
You missed some really important pieces of info for context. First he went into detail how stressed he wld get when he knew he was on VAR. His anxiety was thru the roof which likely led him making an inappropriate emotional decision to help a fellow ref despite the fact that everyone could see the hair pull. He said he was incredibly wrong to do what he did. He eventually took himself off VAR as he could not handle the mental stress.
yeah and that just criminal. Some one does something wrong and you won't call it out cos the poor chap has had a hard time recently. Bloody ridiculous.
Never thought I’d say this, but thank you Paul Merson for defending the integrity of football and voicing what all us fans are thinking about the officiating in the country
Exactly, but the fans get more say than the players or managers. If a manager or player asks for an answer,bookings bans any fines are handed out. This means nothing positive will ever be achieved. The man in the black teflon kit is answerable to no one. Yet sky sports believes that when said Teflon kit is retired, we the paying public want to listen to these utterly droll people. Excuses after excuses, what a closed shop it has become.
Go on Merson lad, keep having a go
We all know var is here to sway results in line for gaming industry lots of bets need to loose with the help of var that make fixing results possible corruption of the highest order
@@waynerobinson9948 agreed
The guy was made the var mistake told me after ,,,.....haha i did them scousers. Wtf
If we stop the game after a restart, where do we draw the line where VAR can reevaluate a f**k up? We'll be pulling the game back 10 minutes because they've spotted a handball. These protocols are there to stop VAR ruining the game further, but we've got fans like baboon Merson crying bloody murder that VAR should break their rules again to correct a mistake
Paul merson at the end is every football fan in the country this week what an legend 🤣🤣
in that every average joe football fan is an extremely uneducated media puppet that has no clue of the ins and outs, no idea about protocols, processes, legislations and things that are way over the FA's power. correct.
Yep, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Mike Dean trying to justify the unjustifiable...
Saying about given a corner is not the same is no where near the same about given a goal a goal changes the game a corner don't so a waste of breath even saying that
@@nicholasmarsh8536 the bloke was probably a copper in a former life. Inability to think outside of the box is a requirement... they don't want police and refs to be able to think for themselves do they... "Just following orders mate"
Mike Dean belittling the panel with his "for the sake of it" comment sums up how the PL refs think of players and fans. They have no accountability for their actions and are too arrogant to want to improve better.
Is it not the opposite way around ?pundits and fans will criticise and abuse refs at any point . If you’ve ever been into a football stadium , you will know (if ur being honest) that the refs are often the scapegoat . Fans will boo the ref for making the right call, because it goes against their team .
@@Kronthedon2333that’s because referees are useless they haven’t a clue, they have cameras where they can look back over every incident and they still get stuff wrong, former footballers and those that have actually played the game at a decent level should be doing VAR
He just said Darren is one of the best….clearly not, but he’s still defending the fraternity
@@Kronthedon2333that’s just sport mate what u want them to do cheer?
Mike Dean is rewarded for making blatantly incorrect decisions to protect his mate in his own words by getting a seat in Sky studio. And people still wonder why refereeing in England is outright incompetent.
It was his brother-in-LAW
@@sammyboyjnr5520i see what you did there mate😂😂
The worst referees in Europe. Hated across Europe. They don’t want to learn. Keeps saying it’s the law. It’s not the law it’s a rule. Which they change every season and mid season
The trouble is they think they did nothing wrong. They broke the law originally by ruling out a fair goal. So they broke the law they are so obsessed with.
Should be jailed not rewarded with a job
I agree totally. I actually like Mike Dean as a person but couldn't think of many refs less qualified to discuss the merits of VAR because of his comments a few weeks ago. He has zero credibility and is lucky he hasn't been sued or even prosecuted. Whoever has been doing the hiring at Sky Sports the last few years needs firing along with Mike.
When Paul Merson is the voice of reason you know we're in trouble!!!
Thank you Paul Merson for defending us all and speaking out against that bunch of nonsense from Mike Dean
Lol is his mates afterall lol
Not the first time he speakv/ did nonsense
If we stop the game after a restart, where do we draw the line where VAR can reevaluate a f**k up? We'll be pulling the game back 10 minutes because they've spotted a handball. These protocols are there to stop VAR ruining the game further, but we've got fans like baboon Merson crying bloody murder that VAR should break their rules again to correct a mistake.
I dont think he's talking nonsense hes explaining from the otherside . Refs have rules to follow by the body that controls them just like any other sporting event. You cant just stop the match yes its a mistake but when he states law he means football law not public law . I dont get why people dont understand , yes its a terrible mistake but move on
“It’s law that we can’t stop the game”, well according to the “law” a goal was scored. 🤷🏼♂️
Good point. It’s happened before , not recently ! that when the situation is made clear to the opposition they agree to score an ‘own goal’. Sign of the times maybe ?
It’s like iRobot with these laws 🤣
The law regarding not retrospectively giving a goal AFTER the game has been restarted existed long before VAR.
@@welldoneboysgoodprocessAs long as that is in place, this will happen again.
@@welldoneboysgoodprocess that is the dumbest logic ive ever heard of.... So i suppose you think slavery should still be allowed because that was within the LAW too...
Nice to see an actual *HEATED* debate for once lol
Yeah thanks to old Merse
😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Mike Dean thought hr could patronise Merse… Merse caught that ‘for the sake of it’ clean and ran with it… bravo merse 👏🏽👏🏽
Couldn’t give him a red card in that room either lol
Dean is still doing what he’s always done, protect his mates. How he wormed himself onto a seat on Sky by doing the wrong thing is just unbelievable. Give the fella some credit.
Because its great TV that's why
I agree, rewarding incompetence; why ask him when he (and they, the refereeing collective) are always keen to defend their mates and the indefensible. Isn't Dean the one who when Chelsea were defending a corner, defender Cucurella had his hair pulled throwing him to the ground, said he'd seen it on the replay but there wasn't a specific law to outlaw pulling of hair therefore nor the resulting goal from the corner. This degree of stupidity is why we are in the mess we are. Does he actually believe that or is he just biased against Chelsea?
The sacred laws of the VAR game that were enshrined in stone only about 5 years ago 😂
I remember a time before VAR.
Every weekend there was a debate about whether a goal was offside, about players diving for penalties, fouls, most weeks, in massive games (though let's be fair, it is a game, and no reason for people to be so badly criticised for a mistake)/and somehow the game survived.
Go back five years. How many people after a game would say/bloody ref, we were robbed?. All.
Var is a glorified linesman. It was a bad decision, explained over and over. An error. It happens.
We had referees for 150 years. They were never perfect. The technology worked, the human made an error.
Maybe we should all watch football played by robots. Then there will be no mistakes.
@@Withcare11that's rubbish because it was VAR that sent Jones off.
Did Mel Brooks write them
@@dannybradley8391 Jones, got himself sent off. VAR simply confirmed he was not in control, and therefore it was a red card.
@@pleasantville4529 That's false as it was a subjective decision manipulated by beginning with a still image followed by slow motion.
"You can't stop the game, it's the law!" except when a player restarted from an incorrect place. Then it's ok to stop the game and order re-start from two yards away. In this instance Tottenham restarted from an incorrect place, so stop the game and let them restart from mid of the circle
Or a streaker, a flare, or even a cat.... Or a head injury, or for racism from the crowd..... but not for a huge mistake like this.
i love this comment, it's perfect
HE ALSO SAID THEY REALIZED IT SECONDS LATER! WHY NOT JUST REVERSE THE DECISION? IF THEY REALIZE MISTAKES SOON AFTER THEY HAPPEN THEY SHOULD ALWAYS REVERSE DECISIONS. LIARS. MIKE DEAN IS THE FACE OF THE OPERATION. SHADY BUSINESS
Except the ref agreed to the restart. Feels like you're reaching a bit
@@mickbanner ... The point he is making is that the play can be brought back when they want it to ...
What bothers me here is that Mike Dean is acting like this is not even a big deal and it’s a small mistake. He doesn’t care or even acknowledge this is terrible for the game and a huge error like this could be the difference in a title race. Paul Merson totally justified here.
The thing is, Mike Dean said they couldn’t interfere because they had to follow the rules but they had already broken the rules by disallowing a perfectly legal goal.
The fact that if the referee stopped the game to give the goal, he wouldn’t referee for the rest of the season is OUTRAGEOUS- but them clearly making a massive mistake and carrying on is fine? W****s the lot of them
The first mistake was an error but if the referee stopped the game again to get it checked again,Daniel Levi would have the right to sue or get a replay because the referee knowingly broke the law to award Liverpool the goal
@@billyoniell9138 a 'law' or protocol has been broken by VAR because the correct goal was not given.
@@billyoniell9138Yep😂
at least he did the right thing. he gain the respect from the football world, at least he had the balls to make things right.
@@billyoniell9138 would not be checked again as the decision was already made. There would be no grounds to sue or get a replay.
It is ok to stop the game when a player gets a head injury or a fan runs on the field, but a goal is not as important i guess; they could and should have stopped the game...Nobody would blame them for making the right decision. The play continues after the ref sees an offside, but lets the players play it out and then stops the game, why they could not stop the game here makes Zero sense.
Haha, well put!
Exactly zero common sense applied
its in the law to stop the game bc of a head injury tho
yes, a goal is more important than someone's life. I do know what you mean, however still don't think the ref should go back on the decisions they have made, but something need to be done to eliminate the mistake
@@beatriz-lw2ru And why is that protocol, or rule (not "law" btw lol) there in the first place? Because of common sense. People with common sense sat around a table at a meeting and decided these rules based on common sense, not some fixed unyielding immovable "law". I mean, VAR was created because of supposed "common sense", not because of any pre-existing law that 'thou shalt never be broken or changed'. People spouting this "law" nonsense clearly have zero common sense themselves
"You say 'The law!'....THE POLICE AIN'T INVOLVED!" 😂👏👏👏👏 Well said Merse 👍👍👍
I hate how over the top Mike Dean is trying to be just so he can protect his mate. "The law mate!"
The rulebook is literally called laws of the game. You picked out the dumbest thing he said and went " well said mate "
Dean is not talking about public law, he's talking about the law of the football game....which, if you've followed football for more than six months, you would know exists.
Merson normally annoys me but he nailed Dean here.
Mike dean literally said on peter crouchs podcast if aguero was on a yellow card when he took his top off for that goal in 2012 he would’ve not sent him off and would’ve bit the bullet, so why has he changed his mind on the law is the law???
You got
@@henrykemka2164spot on, so many unnecessary cards and “big moments” cos refs think they’re the most important people on the pitch. Whatever happened to “managing the game”, being more lenient for the sake of the match and just making sure it’s an enjoyable game for players and fans alike??
Prem refs today are the worst they’ve ever been, and unlike the managers, the players and even the fans, they’re above any scrutiny in the media or in the pitch and avoid punishment for everything, no matter HOW big the mistake is.
The league is an absolute farce until we get a complete new set of officials AND rules
bcause hes a azzole just like his main counterpart mate of WEBBCHESTER who should all be sacked
@@bareyeelos2417 Pep Guardiola was subtly making that exact point. The league is racking up red cards at more than twice the usual rate averaged over the last several seasons, and over three times what we saw last season. It is not the players whose attitudes are so different.
United got awarded a penalty after the final whistle against Brighton, which fair enough, was a pen. Suddenly we are pretending god himself will smite the ref because he doesn't follow the "law". Ref should've just called the two captains, show on the big VAR screen that it was indeed onside so everyone knows what is going on and let Diaz score a free goal, instead we are having this big drama which could've been resolved in minutes on the pitch.
Mike Dean: “Rugby is a slower game…” He obviously hasn’t watched Harry Maguire playing out from the back, or even the All Blacks on attack.” A most unconvincing contribution from Mr Dean!!
Harry bagged himself an assist, will he receive any credit, I wonder?
Rugby is sh*t to be fair.
Rugby is a slower game
What I find really, really frustrating is the apparent lack of scenario planning by PGMOL, is there a chance of miscommunication, what do we do if there is? Injuries after an offside ie Pickford on VVD a couple of seasons ago in Liverpool vs Everton. It's mind boggling
I’m a spurs fan and that call last week was an absolute joke, more so after the audio was revealed. There’s no excuses, if you realise you make a mistake, you rectify it.
yeah everyone else is accountable but the officials...it will never change
The laws of the game, so they let a goal not be counted that should... makes no sense... and the mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion is beyond me...
like not counting a legitimate goal seems like just about the worst mistake you could have and they're so focused on the laws of the game, isn't there a point where the laws of the game go out the window and it becomes a matter of lessening the negative impact of a mistake? There is no world in which what happened is better then if they violated the laws of the game to stop play and count the goal.
@@joncoish They cant give the goal after a restart because the players. manager and the home fans would go ballistic!
And lawyers would definitely come in after the match to sort this out!
@@timburns6423 But they've come out and said it was a goal.... so what you said makes no sense. Everyone knows it was a goal, they even said it, it just doesn't count. You're probably a Tottenham fan though, so go on and enjoy you're "win"...
@@joncoishI’m with you. The law should go out of the window with a mistake like this! Stop the game, explain to the managers and captains, and award the goal
The law to protect who?
Of course Mike Dean will protect his colleagues,the rules and system
Police tactics
@@eddouglassame referee who admitted he once didn't use VAR to protect a colleague during a game
of course he will…… honour amongst thieves…
Imagine making the wrong decision and not stopping the game because of "protocol". And only in England does these sort of decisions take place.
The guys in the VAR room have bosses just like the players, coaches and fans. And they have rules to follow. They can't just bring the game back if that means going against rules. Common sense definitely needs to be brought in, 100% across the board and this is a prime example of it. But in this game, at that moment...they made the mistake, acknowledged it and followed the book after that point.
@jackd9928 well its been costing teams points. If the standards of officiating is not improving, then we have to look at that and azk what are the reasons that the Premier League officiating is so bad.
@@tashrif46 I agree, but on this occasion, the only thing they did incorrectly was get the decision wrong in the first place. They couldn't have done anything else after that mistake.
@jackd9928 stop the game and get the correct decision.
@@tashrif46 Again, they couldn't. The rules need to be changed to allow for this as it is obvious common sense...but until then...
Mike Dean reminded me of that scene in the office "this has been imposed upon me" 😂
“It’s not a legal decision to stop play and award a goal”
Is it legal to not award a perfectly legitimate goal?
What is the lesser of the two evils?
Yes, it is not for the first, and yes for the second. You said it yourself.
Yup. How is that different from awarding a goal scored from the corner which should have been ruled as a goal kick? The lesser of the two evil?
Clearly your listening skills are lacking. The rules of the game do not permit a goal to be awarded after a wrong decision has been made AND THE GAME HAS RESTARTED. You are not playing a kickabout with your mates. Football cannot made ad hoc in game decisions which are against the laws of the game.
@@mediacenterman8583Mike dean meat rider.
@@mediacenterman8583we want people willing to break the protocols to get to the correct result. Like they say in here they aren’t going to call the police if they changed the decision to the correct one. Howard Webb would have preferred them to break the protocol, and not have this complete media PR disaster, which is a worldwide embarrassment for PGMOL. They have got in more trouble by not breaking the “laws of the game” as you call them. Those laws are guidelines and not like criminal laws.
"It's the law! It's the law!"
what an excuse for those incompetent refs...
an excuse for corruption you mean?
@paulobrien4106 as mark goldbridge said previously, this is a dictatorship
He's 100% right... if they stop the game and reverse the decision, then they make an even shitter show of themselves and undemine the laws of the game, the very thing they're supposed to uphold.
But their incompetence is as process designers, not refs. They can't see the wood for the trees: ten minutes in the ops room of a warship at action stations would show the difference between reliable speech protocols and the haphazardness in the VAR audio.
it was ok for them to "break the law" and chalk off an onside goal though... mike dean talking utter shite its all a cover up.
Your asking a ref for common sense, good luck with that 😂.
Funny going back to this when play was stopped 3 mins later in Palace vs Liverpool but not here
«It JuSt WoNt HaPpEn AgAiN» is the dumbest argument I have ever heard…..
We all know it will happen again given the incompetency and arrogancy these premier league referees are
This will definitely happen again one way or another....human error. Maybe let AI do the VAR? 😅
I’d like to know what exactly is going to prevent it happening again. Carrying on as normal isn’t good enough.
Laws can be changed, and there's no way Mike Dean can say with absolute certainty that this won't happen again. Merson is correct end of
He doesn't come off well, just saying "it's the law" - better for him to explain WHY it's the law, where I think he's right. The law on VAR is there to prevent decisions being overturned later - imagine the corrosive effect on the game if you create a precedent where any decision could be changed minutes later, that would be disastrous - it's bad enough that we have that ten seconds or so after any goal when we're not sure if it might be overturned. They have to get it right - and a simple change to the communication protocols here will resolve for the future, which they've already done.
Because it was a human error but if you know your wrong and stop the game you have now broken the law yourself as a referee
@@fullydavid yes, but there needs to be some sort of contingency put in place for a mistake of this nature.
😢
@@fullydavid What you call corrosive, most people would regard as corrective. It's natural justice.
We aren't talking minutes later, so your slippery slope style argument doesn't work.
If a team has legitimately scored a goal (as Liverpool did), the officials know that they have (but have miscommunicated that fact to their colleagues), and they immediately become aware of the error (as happened in this case), the correct thing to do is stop the game and have the goal stand.
Mike Dean doesn’t have a clue
Mike Dean covering for his mates & showing exactly why refs need to be taken out of the VAR process, only person that knew what was going on was the one that's not the ref.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game" Bill Shankly
well said….most refs never played the game…
Nothing to do with laws of the game and everything to do with protecting themselves - they made the use of VAR (an objective technology) into a subjective system through arrogance of believing using it objectively would undermine their profession. Since that point every decision is not made on the facts before them but on the basis of 'is this a reasonable error for one of us to have made'. In what other profession would this utter arrogance be allowed. Remove VAR from the responsibility of PGMOL, make the decisions factual by an independent team.
this!, clearly they want to be above everything else, that is the bottom line.
Spot on! Refs should be like the goal nets or lines on the pitch. Just a tool, not something that influences the game
never even quote the section in law book on the explicit definition that games cannot be stopped. We have seen game stopped minutes later for various reasons. liar.
Very well said.
Making the simple game difficult.
If that was calm as per Dean then can only imagine if it's chaotic.
We shouldn’t see these referees for the rest of the season anyway. It’s rich coming from Dean when he says if they stop and award the goal “you won’t see them for the rest of the season”. Ideally, we shouldn’t have to see them ever including the likes of Mike Dean.
Mike Dean in this interview is just protecting his fellow referees.. laws of the game/ protocol excuse. These refs are more concerned about protecting themselves than doing what's right.
@@Philip__325 I'm baffled that it's so hard for some people to comprehend this. The law is written with no wiggle room for a mistake like what happened. You could tell by the response of the VAR team when the goal was overturned. They knew that was the end of it, despite trying to communicate a legal goal. If the ref blew the whistle mid-play and reversed the decision, the panel would be nearly as combative, claiming that there's nothing in the rulebook that allowed them to do that and the referee is just making it up as he goes.
@Philip_325 but what is more important staying within the bounds or doing the right thing. The VAR ref has made a massive mistake that isn't objective or debatable.. its onside and a goal, not 1 Tottenham fan would argue it. He could of delayed the game to fix his mistake but can't because it'll break protocol, ok but his massive mistake has altered the match. Mike Dean says 2 wrongs dont make a right, but correcting his wrong would make the match right and that's more important than following protocol. They followed protocol to protect their jobs and not because it was the right thing to do
@@yeeeeeeeer Oh they still are arguing it. Amongst all the other BS they're spouting.
are we sure they are implementing 100% of the law all time!. In this case, the VAR was null and void and to be repeated.
@@Philip__325 The "law" says its a goal
They changed a rule mid-way through the season a couple years back, but they can’t implement a rule where VAR can stop the game for a major error that literally denied a fair goal? It’s nonsense. You have to stop the game for 5 seconds to allow the goal and just kick off again.
It's an embarrassment when you look at the difference in budget between rugby and football and yet they still can't get to the level of communication of rugby refs and TMO's
Also the rugby VAR is televised there and then and you hear them discuss it, no reason why they can't do that in football
The laws of the game say that it's onside and the goal stands. What trumps that?
Darren England apperntly
by "LAW" he means 'lies always win' 😁 buncha NPC's
Far too logical for this crowd mate 😂
Mike Dean sticking up for his mates again
Yes. Absolutely nonsensical
It is the most English thing ever to say "it's IMPOSSIBLE to stop play because it's the law you can't stop play because we said so."
You can tell the panel absolutely hate Mike Dean
Mike dean talking about the laws of football 😂
Mike Dean banging on about "the law". I'm pretty sure it's the law that onside goals should count.
The EPL has to comply with IFAB and not make it up as they go along. The law regarding NOT retrospectively giving a goal AFTER the game has been restarted existed long before VAR. As erroneous as the decision was, currently the football international body dictates that the goal cannot be retrospectively given after a restart. This is the way.
@@mediacenterman8583who cares what the rules are and what the law says about these type of situation. So what it’s not court of law no one dies or goes to prison. So what if those VAR assistant referee gets fired? What’s worse than rhe mistake is knowjijg they’re choosing their pockets over the integrity of the game? “We can’t do nothing about it? Yes yall
Can do something about it break the law break the protocols and i guarantee the football world would stay behind that referee and that will be bigger than knowing it was a mistake but choosing not to correct
@@thegamerabdull8820 Well the refs care and they follow the law, that's it. No it isn't life or death and yeah it's just football but then why debate this so much? Why does anyone care if it's just football? If anyone lost their job and career and it is a career this high up, then would those teams pay them to support their family? What your saying is those people should break the football law to suit a team and then lose out in life? We all have rules in our jobs which sometimes we can't break no matter what we feel and the same goes for the ref but the whole thing with VAR in the end of the day will have issues and something else will happen in the future because we as humans will mess up. Also we all know it's never 1 and done is it, what happens is someone will say well they did it for this team or that team and then that's it.
The way merse said “law” at 0.5 sec was hilarious
Sending a ref to check offside on var without 2D lines is against the law,
We need to get Mike Dean off TV. With what he's admitted about sticking up for his mate, he doesn't deserve to ever be seen on TV again. These things should have repercussions.
The way Paul Merson blows up towards the end of this video is ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS MAN! 🤣 🤣 🤣 PURE COMEDY GOLD this was! 😂 👏🏾
Good on you Merse!!
Mike Dean: "As you can tell by what you've said about restarting the game for the sake of it"
This arrogant attitude thinking that they are better than everyone else is what's wrong with them, bloody disgrace!
Spot on
No actually it's all the people who believe they are above the law. The referees know they are not above the law. They didn't make the law, but they know they have to obey it. And if the law is bad, that's for IFAB to fix
@@yoonyulntaeny There was no problem with the law, there was a problem with communication which has nothing to do with the law. VAR created a problem, it was their job to fix it. In everyday life, if someone asks you a question and you can tell by their response that they misunderstood you, don’t you make it clear as to what you meant? This comes down to common sense.
@richardstewart50 Agree with that, but that's off topic. In this thread we're talking about the law on bringing the game back after play has restarted
Didn’t know these laws where past through Westminster 😂😂
The first thing Dean should have said on that last question was "look at the communication process and have a structed set of words to be used and only 1 to 1 with the Ref and VAR", secondly, change the "LAW" to allow MAJOR mistakes like this to be rectified, and finally, start using AI technology for Offsides!
In addition, this is taken from Wiki:
Following extensive trailing in a number of major competitions, VAR was formally written into the Laws of the Game by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) on March 3, 2018.[2] Operating under the philosophy of "minimal interference, maximum benefit",[3][4] the VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected.
What does the last sentence mean?
I don’t know why no one is talking about Chelsea’s game at the weekend when the game was stopped after the restart to check the goal again…
Mike Dean hasn't a leg to stand on. Officials saying things like "we can't" is a complete joke. They do what they want. Officials only look out for themselves. Dean protecting Darren here is like defending Jack the Ripper.
Officials cannot stop a game for 10s but if they feel like it, they can give a penalty after fulltime.
Slide on.
the offence was commited before full time.
@@davidlancaster4476 that only proves my point more. If they can make a decision AFTER the match regarding an incident that happened during the 90, they can easily alter the result after the 90 last week by awarding Liverpool a goal.
"Can't do anything." Is an abhorrent lie, and negligence of duty and consistency.
Yes var just corruption swaying results in bookies favour no other reason for var as rules not in place just make them up as and when joke
@@irishdude5074 i assume you are a liverpool fan, so, united were awarded the penalty because of a incident that happened 10-20 seconds before the final whistle, the difference is that liverpool scored their goal in the first half with still at least 45 mins to go. if liverpool were winning 3-0 before the own goal, nobody would be making a scene. but because goals or no goal decisions cause a whole different pattern of play then nobody can say what the final score would have been, it's just like when a team is under the cosh and the tv reporter says it could have 4-0 if the chances would have been taken, no it wouldn't because when the first goal goes in, the play re-starts from the centre circle, so as i have pointed out the pattern of play changes as it would have done if dias's goal would have been given, but it doesn't alter the fact that the goal should have been given and the var team should be sacked for such a bad call as you can clearly hear him saying that it wasn't offside. the officials are just making poor excuses and covering their bad decision making.
@davidlancaster4476 If Liverpool go 1 nil up, they could still bet duffed 4-1 this is true, but, Liverpool having the lead wrongfully taken away changes the entire complexity as they still chase the game down a man, much less conceding a goal minutes later. Even at 1 1 they have a fighting chance and if normal play resumed as it did, a 2 2 draw was probably a "more" fair result, not considering the sheer ineptitude of the ref and his bookings.
Wow, merson was passionate here.
Absolutely captured the emotion of every true supporter of football
It helps that he was riled up by deans nonsensical and absurd "ex players dont know the rules, as you have seen".
@@thedunyadoneya2628 it's not absurd it's the truth! They have no idea about most of the rules
So can't players learn the laws of the game like 'normal' referees do ???
@@JohnnyBarnes-th7zc they could do and should do! Instead they just give opinions based on nothing every week
Merson is the hero we needed
There is also a case for THE SCREEN. Normally, the TV and Stadium screen says CHECKING VAR then shows the result as ONSIDE or OFFSIDE. Everyone sees it and knows. In this case, NOTHING was shown, no result of check was highlighted, no line was drawn, IT WAS ALMOST DELIEBERATE.
It’s very suspicious. Something deeper may be at play here.
The laws of the game were already broken when they gave the on field ref the wrong decision.
This right there is the problem, he is defending incompetence but doesn't want to sell his mates. Refereeing in the EPL won't recover.
Exactly, got to protect the old boys club.
Refs have never recovered. Always useless.
@Mikefizzled then you use your common sense if no rule covers the incompetence
@@Mikefizzled which is why an unprecedented mistake should be met by an unprecedented correction.
Exactly, Miek Dean seems very reluctant to say 'I'm open to the rules being changed'@@Mikefizzled
"I can remain calm because I know the laws". He can also belittle the credibility of players who, according to every ex-player pundet, are in agreement and would have done the right thing and stopped the game to award the goal. This arrogance is unacceptable where millions of pounds is riding on it.
saying "you cannot change the law" is like saying "dont go jump off of a sinking cruise"
What was the law when Mike Dean was on VAR that time when he didn't want his mate on the pitch to have to do his job properly?
This is infuriating.
It happened to Arsenal last season and it has happened again. PGMOL’s amateurish incompetence is just dazzling to behold.
THIS did not happen to ARS , last season or ever.
How do I know ? Bc this ( a goal that has been adjudicated by the official responsible for making that deternination as good not allowed to stand) has NEVER happened.
Not happened before but closest occurrence was when Newcastle and Wolves were both denied goals against Liverpool last season for offside when they were in fact onside, the var just drew the lines wrong.
“It won’t happen again”
@@JuanCarlosOmar1mate this has never happened before , nomatter how you put it, nothing has ever happened like this before
It has and did, wrong decision because of incompetence, last season, Arsenal was winning a game and a goal was awarded to Brentford, which was not a goal, it was offside, but VAR "Forgot to draw the lines"-was literally the reason they gave to Arsenal, maybe it seems like scoring a goal is more important than conceding, but its the same thing if in the end the team ends up one goal up because of the right decision. The PGML appologized right away just like it did in this game, but who cares, points lost.
Give us the replay.
A simple process of the on field ref AND the guys within VAR ALL speaking and agreeing the final decision BEFORE playing on with the game would solve this.
Mike Dean thinking he's the 'Judge Dredd' of football over here
I find it hard to believe that the official wouldn't have refereed for the rest of the season had he used common sense.
well he wouldnt have done as hes broke the laws of the game. Its really not difficult to understand
@@woody19995 Easy to understand, difficult to believe.
It's not laws. It's rules. And when a situation arises where the rules don't cover an act of incompetence you need to break the rule. Its common sense which referees don't have
@@brendansmith9484 no it's laws. The ref would have lost his job lmao not difficult to understand
@@northlondonforever__ how? What stops Tottenham then filing a lawsuit as they didn't follow the laws of the game?
They should show the offside checks in real-time on the big screens. Not only would it stop this from happening again, it would also add a little more excitement for the fans in the stadium.
Corruption is corruption
Mike Dean, the laws of the game say you can't pull a player by his hair to the ground and to be fair, if the ref doesn't see it he can't call it but you were in the VAR room and saw it and decided to ignore it. So Romero didn't get a straight red, didn't get a 3 match ban and Chelsea didn't get a win because you didn't follow the laws of the game.
Dictatorship..........answer to no one and if you do just lie!
Tell cucurella to get a haircut then lol
I always thought the one thing missing in a game of football was bureaucracy, glad they finally fixed that
Which would hurt the game, correct the wrong decision or following the protocol?
2:00 'it will not happen again'. Kovacic goes BRRRR
Tbf it would have been harsh Kovacic is a tenacious tackler from middle Europe, he has always going to play that way, common sense is you don't send off a world class cdm 34 minutes in for an almost red and and an almost yellow, almost off, rightfully played
@@sallybally344 does it matter where hes from If he's breaking the 'laws' of the game? They're both 2 yellowish minimum. Both studs up that go above the ankle. Go check the gusto VAR audio and that's what they say for a straight red.
You see how, even in retirement, referees maintain an almost untouchable line of arrogance and untouchability. It's as if they had a kind of safe harbour for their actions and could make mistakes without fear of major consequences, because of this damned protocol. I keep saying it: if the VAR guys had beaten their chests and said "stop everything and go back. There's a mistake there and we're not going to corroborate it", I'm sure nobody would be angry. Protocol be damned. What matters is making the right decision
But their commitment clearly isn't to the fans, the clubs or what's right: they're just loyal to their employers and their salaries. They don't have an independent ethic, they are servants of a system.
Bang on !! BRILLIANT assessment and gotta get you in the ALL new VAR team 😂😂😂
Cant rlly blame someone too hard just for doing their job and following the rules they were taught
bang on matey refs wish ther were police but dont have the balls to chase thief's
so they blow whistles instead
@@k.b9478like sheep, do as your told, don't think. Serve your master
@@LTC366 what you yapping about
With Darren England not being allowed to no longer cover Liverpool games makes it even more fishy, strange decision.
Nah mate, they will make sure he and Paul Tierney are in every Liveprool match moving forward.
Almost like they’re admitting that he can’t be trusted to officiate Liverpool games.. if that’s the case, he should never be trusted to officiate an official game ever again!
All the noise over a wrongly disallowed Liverpool goal.
Where was all the upset people when the goal against Aston Villa didn't register on the referees watch and VAR didn't tell him. Aston Villa got a point that day and Bournemouth were relegated on goal difference?
A simple solution would be for the relevant players involved to have clear daylight between them for an offside decision to be valid.
"once the game has restarted there's nothing they can do" - This is the problem right here, not just one referee but a group of game officials have no power to run the game properly once the game has "restarted". Almost begs the question what on earth is the point of human officials if the human element isnt allowed to get involved in making a correct decision.
The laws/protocols needs to be altered because they prevent common sense and integrity to the game. Human error is inevitable so why in the unreal hell wasn't this considered with the football law makers? Got to laugh at the arrogance of this process otherwise your lose it like merson.
This is such a low resolution take. The EPL has to comply with IFAB and not make it up as they go along. The law regarding NOT retrospectively giving a goal AFTER the game has been restarted existed long before VAR. As erroneous as the decision was, currently the football international body dictates that the goal cannot be retrospectively given after a restart. This is the way.
@@mediacenterman8583 How does this have any barring on his comment whatsoever?
Another bang on assessment!! What is the point of having human error if NO human or machine can rectify said error?? It's some REAL shameful 💩💩 and Dean kept emphasising "law" instead of "rules", so his is also guilty of using the wrong terminology 😂😂😂. What an absolute bellend😂😂
Problem is they stop to restart the game if a free kick is taken from 2 yards away. Why not follow protocol there
They put the protocol ahead of the purpose, so knowing they had it wrong, they thought it was better to have a massive wrong decision than to do it differently just once.
But they didn't have the authority in that moment to put purpose ahead of protocol. Breaking protocol sets a dangerous precedent. You might as well say that the Liverpool players should have put purpose ahead of protocol and picked up the ball and thrown it into the goal. If you don't follow protocol you have anarchy.
@@happysappy21well said. As soon as game was restarted there was nothing that could been done. It was set in stone. The logic of not going back makes sense and if you break the protocol like you said will open Pandora’s box.
@@truethugoh wow, thanks, I was expecting to be shouted down judging by the majority of comments in the comments section. It's weird how everyone says "Well the ref should have broken the law". Well if we're talking about breaking laws then why should the ref do it? ANYONE can do it! People don't understand anarchy until it's too late.
@@happysappy21Mike dean is that you?
@@trinibaduk9012Clearly not as Mike Dean doesn't know how to make a cogent argument.
Mike Dean "The protocol is to follow protocol" Jesus... 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Protocol 😂😂😂😂
He forgot why VAR was introduced.
Nonsense
"want to change the laws for the sake of it..."
Let's not act like Mike Dean didn't ask for Merse to have a go at him with his choice of words.
It happened with Arsenal Vs Brentford last season where Brentford were offside twice in the run of play and the goal still stood
🥱
That goal would have been a very special goal for the us Liverpool
Mers is spot on, there should be outrage at this level of mistake and Mike Desn was just covering for his ref buddies.
"The law is that the referee cannot stop the game"
The law is also that when a player is onside, the goal is given.
So what now?
😂😂😂
Yep, it’s as simple as that. Why are they more bothered about 1 rule than the other. It’s shocking
So a ref who follows protocol after making the wrong decision has done well, but a ref who makes the right decision but breaks protocol is fired for the season. Mike Dean are you hearing the words you’re saying?
Howard Webb is the problem. And let's face it Mike Dean was never wrong as a ref was he😂😂
Rugby have it absolutely spot on, well oiled,well trained, well disciplined, football needs to take note.
More discipline in Rugby. Football is a shambolic mess in comparison.
that would be far too simple they'd rather reinvent the wheel
After spurs restarted the game. If ref was told the truth and he stopped it and awarded the goal. All that would happen is few people would moan about their poor communication and they would be silenced with it’s not offside. So the right decision was made. After their error they decided to stick to the much worse decision based on technicality
If it was any other club other than Liverpool, only a few would moan. They seem to put themselves on some kind of peddlestal
@@mikelaw6153
If it was your team you would be saying the same so stop with that nonsense.
And because Liverpool did make a big deal out of it VAR have already implemented new rules that will benefit all teams (hopefully).
@SBandy maybe for 24hrs max. My team has been on the end of shocking decisions. Unfortunately, you can't eradicate human error. There will always be mistakes. I can't remember a week without controversy.
@@mikelaw6153 That's a badge of honour for Liverpool. If your team wouldn't fight like Liverpool you should be deeply embarrassed.
Yeah you can't stop the game except when it's against Liverpool! (Stopping the game after 2 minutes to award Palace a shady penalty against Liverpool)
Spot on Paul Merson. There is only one say to stop this VAR rubbish and that is to just get rid full stop. It doesn't belong in football.
You can't stop the game for a clear refereeing error, but you can stop the game when it's a penalty or a foul that leads to a sending off...
Not if the game stop and start, you can stop and go back for a penalty if the game didn’t stop and start. That is why anytime something happen in the box and the ball go out the ref hold the player for the play to be checked.
Because it’s in the laws of the game to do so.
Unless you’ve actually sat there and read through each section and sub section of them you cannot say there isn’t a law that says “you cannot stop the game for VAR failing to make the right decision.
Once a decision has been made by the referee it cannot be changed.
It has been the same since the law for instances were the game needs to be stopped was first introduced.
@@jordanbelton8189 refereeing decisions can be changed, like when they give a yellow, then go to the monitor and give a red
How come Man U got a penalty after the full time whistle ? But they couldn’t pause the game for 10 seconds to gift a perfect goal
Because the game was finished right after the play, VAR was checking the play, that is why VAR told the ref to keep the players on the field until the check was done.
@@ill_be_frank no, Man U they didn’t stop and start the game, the game was finished. That is Why VAR ask the players to stay on the field, because they were looking if was penalty or not.
because the offence happened before the final whistle.
@@davidlancaster4476 this offense happened 60 mins before the final whistle
@@trevork.d8227 what are you telling me for, i think it should have been given, my answer about utd was in responce to an abu about utd getting a penalty after the whistle, they didn't, var were checking possible penalty before the final whistle.