"Stop the game!" - Paul Merson & Mike Dean clash over VAR
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Paul Merson and Mike Dean clash over why Tottenham vs Liverpool could not be stopped after the VAR mistake which wrongly disallowed Luis Diaz's goal.
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How do you bring Dean to talk about a ref decision? That's the worst ref in EPL history 😅
Don't worry they'll bring in Anthony Taylor next😂😂
Not as bad as Mike Riley
A few much worse than him, grab another tissue
Their boss is Howard Webb. There you go 😅
Funniest thing is all premier league refs are terrible and most are united fans
Imagine a cop arresting you. Realising a minute later he made a mistake, but because he has already arrested you. He can't let you go. This is what Mike Dean is saying.
well if thats what the law tells you to do then the police have no choice but to follow it blame the people who made the rules
This is football not police
File a lawsuit... for wrongful arrest...so can Liverpool FC sue the VAR official for?
No the opposite, they are saying officers should be able to make the laws up on the spot… he is saying they need to follow the laws….
Use your brain ffs
Not quite. The laws of the game dictate the protocol. Mike is correct. The officials at the game were wrong.
“Why can’t we stop the game and go back”
“We just can’t”
“Why not?”
“We just can’t”
"THE LAW! ITS THE LAW!" christ
Man utd Brighton?
@@bendodsworth2373 No restart in that incident, it was the full time whistle where the rule is as long as the players are on the pitch, the ref can check an incident and award the penalty. If the players have left, then he cannot bring it back under the rules
Its like arguing with a robot.
After listening to Mike Dean, I am now CONVINCED there is deeper rot to this than meets the eye
But this incident is a total one off, the rot lies in other areas of reffing performance.
@@sagahammerbless you spammer
Absolutely...
This shows how refs no longer understand their role. They believe they have to enforce the law, but the laws exist to protect the game. If your enforcement of the law undermines the integrity of the game, you’re the problem. It’s why real judges, who preside over real cases, are always encouraged to fix their own mistakes.
fantastic answer 👏👏👏👏👏
@@taliaxoxo Agreed!
So what is the role of the refs?
@@Mk1Malethe referees role is to make the game fair for both teams..
This is like saying a police officers job isn't to enforce the law, the laws just exist and they're free to ignore them. A refs role is literally to enforce the laws of the game.
"Two wrongs don't make a right"
I mean, stopping the game to correct the decision absolutely does make it right, lol.
That guy is a joker.
He’s just repeating the same script. As you’ve said the “two wrongs” comment only applies if he gives away a penalty to rectify the offside goal that wasn’t given. Not correcting the wrong decision
No. U can’t break the law to correct a mistake
@@ngqabuthodube2068 There’s something called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The latter relies on common sense. A ref should make this call on his own responsibility. And given that he acknowledges he made a mistake he should’ve rectified that
@@amakky1989 They are not even laws, just rules of the game lol
And we all know what rules are made for hahaha
I wonder what the "law" states for goals awarded by VAR say.
We are gathered here today to pay our respects to Mike.. Such a honest man sadly taken from us while crossing the road. He saw the car coming at 60mph but the law says cars must give way. Rest easy Mike and seek comfort knowing that legally you were right, in reality you were left right up down and flying 50ft in the air!!!
😂
😂love it
😂
if only that would actually happen
Bloody eck 😂😂😂
The way Mike Dean sets of Merse right at the end after both calming down is absolutely hilarious
Mike Dean is THEE perfect example of what the problem is. Paul hits the nail on the head here. Just stop the game. There's no lawyers on the side of the pitch waiting to run on and abduct Simon Hooper. Mike just can't comprehend life without being told what to do, spineless.
Exactly
If the game is stoped than Tottenham actually have a legitimate case for a replay. Mistakes happen and they are unintentional. The refs knew stoping the game was against the rules and if they went ahead with it that deliberate and far worse.
@tobymarx-dunn2332 but liverpool don't have a legitimate reason for a replay when they were robbed of a goal? Nonsense loool
there are lawyers which will sue the premier league for breaking the rules actually
You are not listening. Dean isn't disagreeing, he is explaining the constraints under which the officials have to work. There are a lot of other discretionary areas Refs can use commonsense but this is not one of them.
Mike Dean is a fool. He is out there screaming that ex players don't know the law and in thesame breath says that you cannot change the law. You can change the law if a panel unanimously agrees to the said change.
He's saying VAR cannot stop the game, but where's the rule saying he can't tell the ref? It's horseshit, they were hoping it would just be chalked-off as a mistake.
Mike Dean sticking up for his colleague is the most outrageous refereeing bias in the world of refereeing
@@nickwoodward819 var can stop the game any time if they saw any flaw
Apparently it's ok to ignore the rule that goals get counted. That rule is unimportant, it's not like it's the entire point of the game.
@dnldslvstr exactly! the whole point of playing a football game is to score one or prevent one! all these laws, Mike Dean holds so dearly holds, are made to make 2 teams working for their goal(s) safer or in a fair manner.
common sense in this case should be above the law. all laws are born because of common sense.
They forgot the most vital part: a Darren England statue in front of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to remember this unprecedented performance and his VAR team's monumental and revolutionary contribution towards this Tottenham's win. The other 19 PL clubs can move on all they want, but Darren England' has become an instant Spurs legend after this game and deserves nothing less than a statue erected and a song composed to praise him for years to come to always remember his dedication to the success of the club. Hail England!
Mike Dean is the epitome of the phrase "if you aren't flexible, you'll break".
Merson is spot on for once. Dean sticking up for his colleagues
All those colleges… Where are the young men and women going to learn now?
Birds of the same feather
U guys are making premier league look irritating, mike Dean himself has made horrible mistakes that's even worst than this that's y he is in support of this
After 5 arguments, Dean's defence took on a sixth form, the guy needs a higher education, I'm not sure to what degree he can keep this going. I agree with Merson, the guy was an A Level player in his time.
Yep, surprise surprise
Dean has been asked by his mates to defend PGMOL which according to his pathetic argument has no integrity! Even Webb is hiding… way forward is to get rid of current crop of ref and bring in new better ones
When Merson is speaking nothing but facts you know its shambolic
Merse cares about the game… he was a great player.
Yeah and what does that say about Dean who spoke nothing but nonsense in defence of evil?
😂😂😂😂😂
The only thing I don't agree with is when he says "it's Liverpool v Tottenham" so basically saying if it was Sheff Utd v Burnley it wouldn't have mattered. It should matter to every team in every game.
@@Nihilism4U "evil"? Lmfao don't be such a drama queen.
When Mike Dean said for the sake of it!! That triggered a beast and passion in Merse, like no one has seen!!
This was the quickest restart of play that I can remember when there is a VAR offside check. If we really look at most offside checks, typically it is very close and almost impossible to call correctly without the VAR lines to determine offside or not. However, comparing this situation to most other offside checks..Diaz was onside by a mile. It is hard for me to not think they did not want the goal to count.
This guy is speaking very definitive on every phrase like he owns football. Now you can see why players hated him
Yeah and then makes the sly dig about how he's staying calm and mersin isn't, just to further try and wind him up. Guy is an absolute 🔔 end
I never understand how these refs or ex refs walk calmly down the street in England after years and years of horrid decision-making.
Players and fans hated him because he made definitive mistakes that cost a lot fans misery.
@@johanld2826 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Didn't you hear how they refer to their bad refereeing? Humanly errs.
@@johanld2826That’s why it’s called a civilized society. You don’t get physical with a ref over a game 🫣
Merse had enough of the bs 🤣. Spoken with the passion of all football fans. What happened to Liverpool could've happened to any of our clubs.
Will happen, has happened etc. It was a particularly bad example but I'm sick of it TBH.
Most football fans find Liverpool dropping points funny. Most football fans have spent years suffering the favouritism at their team's expense.
"What happened to Liverpool could've happened to any of our clubs."
Haha ha It does every time they play Man Utd or Liverpool.
Replay the game? Why not replay the recent game at Anfield when Bowen was fouled in the box and no penalty given.
It happened to Arsenal 3 times last season, 1 against Man Utd, 1 against Newcastle and 1 against Watford. We lost against Utd by 1 goal, drew with Newcastle and drew against watford... thats at least 5 pts lost. We lost tye league by 5 pts... they can't tell us that it doesn't affect the game... Arsenal weren't the only team that were robbed several times by VAR, Brighton were hit hard by it, Wolves, Forest, its a joke of a system
@@aaronemerson7079 The scandalous offside was against Brentford. Yards offside! We received official apologies from PGMOL for each occasion, yet didn't see us crying for games to be replayed.
@@mehallica666 very true, yet something needs to be done. I think replays will open up a can of worms that we don't want to deal with. Every game has issues, if we start replaying clear and obvious errors, what's to stop teams turning aroimd and saying this foul or this missed foul isn't a major impact on the game? You can't, every decision has an impact, so the question then is, what is the best solution? Are we looking for bans on officials? I'm sure Arsenal and few other teams would like to see the back of Oliver. Fines? Get rid of VAR? I mean its brought more problems than it has solved since it came in. What needs to definately happen is some accountability for actions that have major implications for the integrity of the game. Maybe a total overhaul of the officials as well because they clear are not up to standard and the World knows it. One of if not THE best league in the world yet at the World Cup your lucky to see 1 British official being used. Shocking!
The fact that Mike Dean is still employed as a pundit after openly admitting to corruption is actually so insane that it beggars belief.
I blame the clubs who refused the PGMOL to implement Semi automation offside, because I see no logical reason for their refusal except that they felt it will chop of their goals only to turn out, that it could have helped them better.
they DIDNT follow protocol - following protocol will mean that FIRSTLY they need to KNOW the on-field decision - they didn't
If the game is stoped than Tottenham actually have a legitimate case for a replay. Mistakes happen and they are unintentional. The refs knew stoping the game was against the rules and if they went ahead with it that deliberate and far worse.
Same Mike Dean who said he looked away from dangerous play because he didn’t want his mate to get stick.
Mike Dean is the worst.
The guys in the studio especially merson should have brought that up with Dean when he said previously he ignored the laws of the game to protect his friend. He broke protocol there and he admitted to it and he's got away with it.
If it is the last game of the season and a team gets robbed a goal that could have won the title, would they just say that is protocol?? I think not. It would be utterly unacceptable. Changes need to be made or the integrity of the game will be completely lost.
I wonder how many teams have suffered from reffing cock ups in the last week or so. But Liverpool lose out and there is all the grief and victimhood for all to see. Reffing cock ups should be part and parcel of the game, you win some you lose some. They are not because there is a groundswell of opinion that our refs (and the PL) have an agenda to make sure the biggest names are in the CL (ie Liverpool and Man Utd). This has been going on for donkey's years. Kick them all out and bring in the top refs from around the world and have genuine impartiality.
@@sagahammer There is no room for subjectivity on offside calls. They should have stopped the game immediately after the miscommunication.
Mike Dean has the insight of a rock.
PGMOL must know it's in a bad place when Merson talks absolute sense.
Everything Merson said is rubbish
@@danpreston564is this you Mike?
@@mantabsekali920Must be a Mike Dean relative
@@danpreston564obviously support the wrong decision just because you’re anti-Liverpool
@@DJDannyN2009 like i give a shiny shite about Liverpool.
How many times has VAR been 'checking for potential penalty' while the game has carried on...suggesting that they could bring the game back to award a penalty? Yet they can't bring the game back to award a clear and obvious goal?
Good point. Pity it wasn't raised in the studio.
Absolutely correct, well said
It’s crazy
The game carried on before there wasnt a stop in play. If the ball has gone out of play, they would not restart until the VAR has finished checking. Otherwise every single incident in the box they going to just wait for VAR to decide
"but it's the law" who makes the "laws" Mike?
"Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things." - Peter Drucker
The right thing was to stop the game and find a way to award Liverpool the goal. Poor leadership is what we have with referees in the premier league. If the seatbelt sign is on during a flight and someone is having a heart attack the right thing would be for whoever can help to take off their seatbelt and go save that person's life. Extreme analogy but...
Paul Merson was literally me after hearing the audio for the first time!
"Two wrongs dont make a right" is the biggest cop out in this instance😂😂😂😂
Actually in this case two wrongs WOULD have made a right!
@@smithofsmiths1872the irony
@@smithofsmiths1872"two wrongs make us look stupid" is what that means
So hes saying making wrong decisions is okay as long as you follow protocol
Basically? Yes, LOL.
The laws/protocols for the game prohibit the integrity of the game, let that sink in 🤣
He obviously isn’t saying that. He said the protocol won’t let them change it, not that it was ok
could you listen what he say...."law"..."law"...."law" .......lol
@@whatthehead thought he was a judge or something
@@whattheheadwell if the law is set by someone above you then that’s all you can do
Merse was definitely back on the pitch arguing with the ref at the end there 😅 13:38
In NHL (hockey in North America), there have been several instances that a video booth replay has shown that a puck has crossed the line, and even though a few minutes have been played, they let the on-ice ref know, who, at the next stoppage in play, announces that a goal was missed on-ice, but discovered on video. The goal is then counted, and the clock is set back to the time it occurred. And nothing that has happened since then counts. It absolutely can be done in football too.
Mike Dean is far more concerned about protecting his mates than the actual game.
Totally agreed Webb and his mates created a nice little number for themselves. Don't want ex players in the masonic referees society.
Mike Dean sticking up for his poor mates again. The fact they still have him on the show after saying that and now after saying all that is ridiculous.
he is not sticking up for them. He said it was an awful mistake. Do you not listen? Are you that thick you cannot grasp what he is saying?
He was right in everything he said.
@@DarwinionThey are that thick. 90% of these comments are.
Mike Dean is more concerned about what Spur’s Daniel Levy would say if the goal is given, than making correct decision. Just amend the stupid protocol & make EPL enjoyable.
if someone forgets to enter a goal in the match report and the match restarts then will that goal not count? the protocol says that a match may not be interrupted to correct an error or that a match may be replayed when such an error occurred, Liverpool's offside goal is basically the same as if someone forgot to fill in a goal in the match report.
"The laws if the game say we can't stop play once it's restarted"
The laws of the game also say you can't rule a goal out for offside if it is actually onside. If a set piece can be pulled back because it was taken from the wrong place, then so can this. The kick-off was taken from the wrong place.
Perfectly put my friend however you should realize that PGMOL are led by idiots or thieves so the can't comprehend what you just said.
This 100% ...how the fack can they recall for this, the games restarted, it's the LaW of the game xD clown show
Mike 'but he's my mate" Dean done his fair share of dodgy decisions . Var is there to help and there should never be any mistakes. Some of the officials are corrupt
Never any mistakes? You might reduce them to 1%, and the standard of mistakes even now is already so much higher than it used to be without VAR despite this error, but there will always be mistakes.
In the past we routinely got such offside decision wrong, once a game…we’d have said “oh, imperfect human eyes” and move on. The fact this is such hot debate in fact documents how much better we got with VAR.
Maybe points deduction is where to look to resolve a situation like this for a serious error affecting the game or the outcome. Like rewarding a point/points at the end of a season. Obviously it shouldn't happen and hopefully never happens again....
As a Liverpool fan, the damage has been done; it is what it is. Happy our club made a stance to provide transparency and clarity over what happened so errors like this can be prevented. Do we win the game with the goal? Maybe. Who's to say we win today if we had won last weekend? Would it be confidence or complacency? Let's carry on giving every game 110% and see where it'll take us. YNWA.
Would West Ham have gone on to beat Liverpool when Bowen was scythed down in the box? We just had to suck it up, so should you.
@@sagahammer your tribalism is blinding you from how LFC has directly told the PGMOL how it is and that the officiating needs to improve. Can't you see the bigger picture?
@@ollyliam-john7868 "officiating needs to improve" Yes and it can start by stop giving Liverpool (and Man Utd) favourable treatment, Can YOU not see the bigger picture? or are you just upset because the victims have been done FOR ONCE. This has been going on for years.
@@sagahammer there isn't some big conspiracy, mate. You sound like every delusional fan of a non top 4 club. Liverpool and Man Utd have both benefitted and lost out on decisions this season, just like everyone else.
Your problem is confirmation bias. You see one decision in favour of a 'big' club and you remember it for years because it fits your agenda. All the decisions against them are immediately written off as karma or you forget them on the spot. Always been the way.
Merson was saying what we all felt. Fair play to his passion.
That's the problem. You're getting emotional instead of being rational. Yes, a mistake was made, an irreversible mistake. Nothing can be done. Move on
Not really, some of us have functioning brains
@@HumanBeingSpawnTo move on and ignore things that CAN be changed isn't rational
@@HumanBeingSpawnonly a spurs fan would say that 😂
@@HumanBeingSpawn Agreed. Short of getting the one true god to referee EPL football matches a human will be involved. Eventually human's make mistakes.
Mike Dean is worried about Daniel Leavy but not what 99.9% of what the common sense people think.
Amazed me how people don’t understand it. It’s the rules…. He would be breaking the rules. When play continues you change the trajectory of the game in this minutes…
@@jamiejosh96 The rules of the road are to stay in your lane but when you see another car coming head on at you in your lane do you stick to the rules or apply common sense?!
@FBICPS best reply ever Brother!
If it had been fixed after 10 seconds and leavy had complained, everyone knows that the right decision had been made on balance after the initial mistake, there might have been an apology, but the match would never be replayed for the sake of mere seconds. The irony is that there is far more reason to replay the game now. But that isn't going to happen either is it? So mike deans argument makes no sense
@@FBICPSnice metaphor bro.. straight to the point.👍💯💥
The greatest preservation of the integrity and the rules of football is to award a goal if the officials have concluded it is indeed a goal. There's no bigger breach than failing to do so.
Saying we’d not see Darren England for the rest of the season for breaking protocol, but it’s fine for him to continuing reffing after this mistake is absolutely absurd. Like what the hell are you on!!!
So they can stop the game after it restarted to award a penalty.. but not to fix a mistake..
I think if any of this made logical sense we would understand.. but it doesn’t
Exactly, games are stopped and pulled back all the time. Even Diaz scoring got pulled back and the outcome changed.
But they haven't stopped the game a 2nd time. The game is stopped while the call is checked. Then then game is started to take the pen or whatever. They don't take the pen then say "woops that was wrong. Stop the game again and chalk off the goal".
Play goes on (while VAR carries out a check) and gets pulled back all the time. There was no penalty or subsequent goal, the ball went out for a throw. Even if there had been a significant event, it should still be pulled back as it would have been if, for example, a corner comes in and there's a possible penalty incident. While VAR is checking, the defending team counter and score. VAR now gives the penalty for the foul and chalks off the subsequent goal. That's fine by the rules, but rewinding 30 secs of nothing can't be undone. Surely the point is to have fair outcomes and for goals awarded to actually be counted, or else, why play? It's the difference between those who know the rules and those who know the game. @@russellward4624
It makes logical sense because in case of penalty it is the opposite team who fouled and they will be punished for it, but if you stop it because of referee mistake one side of the game might feel damaged by it - maybe the scored/had a corner or whatever…and yet they did nothing wrong to deserve the rewind.
It doesn't, it's about getting the right/fair result. "if you stop it because of referee mistake one side of the game might feel damaged by it" and if you don't, one side is definitely damaged by it (Liverpool in this instance). Spurs wouldn't have been damaged, they would have got exactly what was warranted, a goal against them (i.e. punished for failing to defend the attack). Never before has a goal been given and not counted in the final score. @@ondrej1893
The ref can stop the game if a dog runs onto the field of play, or if a streaker flashes their bits. But (apparently) a ref can't stop the game to correct an incorrectly given decision. Games' gone! 🤣
Or stop the game if two balls are on field.
What about if a Dog flashes its bits.
As for the dog scenario.
Don't tell Chic Brodie of Brentford as it finished his career. "Colchester v Brentford 1971" and the video is only one minute but watch the dog.
Yes, because that's only stopping play, not replaying part of the match thats already been played.
Release all the audio in VAR mistakes now I want to hear all
Dean be like we can make wrong decisions but cant break the protocols😂😂😂 .. who made this guy referee should be awarded a brain 😂😂😂😂
Dean and PGMOL is now very very clear….. protocol is more important then integrity.
It is you who wants them to make more errors just because it would make things seemingly right (on the surface) this once. It is you who doesn’t consider the consequences such precedent would have for future errors.
If they can’t leave their emotions outside the door then they should not be allowed to be employed.
I just watched the Ireland Scotland rugby match and it so transparent everyone can hear the referee and officials in what they are saying and what decision they make. That’s for the full match. It doesn’t slow down the game. Even if they have to go back to a incident. Following protocol is no moral compass.
@@patrickmorris3721how can u get bribed if u have a mic on?
@@ernieyu7516 we thought of it, good man with a little side show in the Middle East. 😉👍
So how can you give a penalty after the fulltime whistle but are afraid to stop the game at a throw in to give a correct decision
Cause game was already stopped one time and restarted after the var check completed.... whereas the foul occured full time whistle blown after that var check took place... and game was stopped and penalty was given.
@@RishabhSingh-db4mqbut the ref blew the full-time whistle. And when that is done the result stands no going back.
@@RishabhSingh-db4mqthe game was over so the result should stand. They went back and changed the result but are afraid to stop playing during a breakdown in play.
"after a restart"
@@nickwoodward819 no restart can happen once the full-time whistle has been blown.
in the past if a error was made the ref would restart the game and tell the other team let them score we seen this a few times in football
I think people are forgetting that for YEARS there's been dodgy decisions, which have lead to goals standing that shouldn't of or vice versa....The goal should of stood, it was a major cock up, but it happens, if we Replay the game it'll create a monster and open the floodgates for loads more situations, as harsh as it sounds everyone has to move on now.
Scoring a goal is the hardest thing to do in football. You should not take that away!
Cannot change the law but can award a penalty to some particular team even after the final whistle.
Ahh but that's Manure Utd - they have their own set of rules
Depends on the badge, Manure have a devil in their badge and you know those refs be doing sus demonic rituals every night
Game hadn't restarted after the incident though. Ref had stopped the game (with final whistle) but he can easily go back if there was an incident just before. This is very rare of course, but your anti Man.Utd stance blinds you and you resort to talking shite. And I'm a Leeds fan with no love for them.
Those top 2 comments are embarrassing 😂
@@Darwinion”final” in final whistle doesn’t mean final after all then. 😂
12:10 The best way to improve communication is to introduce codes/code words instead of just spewing random sentences. Confirmation and acknowledgement codes should be introduced as part of the protocol.
Why can it not be replayed?????
Merson saying everyone else is thinking. Not surprised he lost his rag over Mike Dean saying 'for the sake of it'
On this occasion 2 wrongs clearly make a right! Mike dean protecting his mates again 😂 he is and always will be a complete tool
Can't believe Sky still have him on after his comments about protecting his mate
Knowing the laws is no substitute for knowing the game.
Its not the lack of concentration or training, its using the correct language ! " Check complete, Goal" 👍👍👍👍👍
Show the process and the decision on the big screen!
Message to Mike Dean: You make us miss Mark Clattenburg more and more every week mate.
Yes, damn him and his explanation of the laws of the game which he has no control over.
What is so ironic and " funny" is that the persons in VAR were so focused in the Liverpool decisions with the 2 sendings off and other decisions and the one major decision in Liverpool's favour the concentration and focus gone through the window
What is worse. If my club isn’t playing(chelsea) I still have games on in the back ground and I knew what the on-field call was. How do 2 people still have jobs. When they failed at doing the most basic part of their job. To watch the game.
In my career, I fail to do my job. I am out the door looking for new work.
@@eiler1987 AMEN.
Imagine this: The VAR & officials realised that they can't backtrack but that it was definately a goal so they explain to both managers what has happened immediately. Both managers agree that to preserve the correct score, Spurs would allow Liverpool to walk the ball in. Ref saves his VAR colleague, and Spurs look like heroes to the footballing world. The game goes on
Lesson to take from this: Whilst the PGMOL are out there screaming about how Refs need more protection from the Fans and Media against their wrong decisions they've proven they're more than happy enough to throw those same Refs under the bus because of the unchangeable "Laws"
I just don't get it, he says stopping the game to correct the uncalled goal would be worse then not giving the goal, how can someone come to that conclusion? No wonder there are so many mistakes by refs because if they all share the same views as this guy it seems they're lacking in common sense. They are too focused on the rules and trying to be robots, at some point common sense needs to overrule everything else. It would be one thing if they just missed it, but they recognized the error and it should've been corrected.
coming from a ref perspective, it says in IFAB laws of the game that once you restart a game, you cannot change a decision. For example, if a goal was given and you realized 5 minutes after play restarted that there were too many players on the field, you cannot bring back the decision. As long as refs follow protocol they have done their job right, but if they reject it they're in deep trouble. It sounds nice as a football fan but as a ref you can't just make up rules. It would be the same thing as if I incorrectly gave away a penalty and then gave another penalty on the other end to atone for it.
PGMOL and other ref organizations care much more about rules than making the game fair.
The problem is how long can the game play before too much time has passed. 30 seconds? 2mns? 10mns? What if they make it wins and 2mns and 10 seconds later they realize they got it wrong? What if the oposition goes down the pitch and scores in that 20 seconds? Chalk off that goal and award the 1st goal? It just sets up other messes down the road to fix 1.
Then why didn't they talk to the captains and managers and let Liverpool score a goal ,as has been done in the past many times ,most recently at Leeds ,simple
@@mickmochan406That’s what makes it even worse. They didn’t even tell the on-field ref about the mistake so he could do anything like what you said about it. They just threw their hands in the air and said ”I can’t do anything, i can’t do anything”. And Mike Dean is defending it!! What a joke
@@FilleIceRises that's correct mate ,and as sticking to the laws of the game when was last time you saw a foulthrow being given ,and yet most of them are foulthrows
mike dean, protecting his mates again!
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Can I give multiple thumbs up to this comment?
Yeah like a criminal defending his partners in crime. It is because of men like Dean that bad decisions keep happening in football, what do men like that even do in this game? They care nothing about the game or the fans, they are more concerned with rules, power, money and exerting authority as if they they think this is a war they have to fight and that the laws of the game is there to feed their children.
Dean and his mates are nuts, they need to find themselves a job where their way of seeing things might actually be appreciate! Maybe they should ask Putin if he could use more generals?😂
@@jamespants6591oh shut up 🤐
Merson 100% right here! Put him in charge of the PGMOL and it'll improve over night.
I’m confused because we have seen games in the past where play has continued and var has looked at something and stopped play to take the on field ref back to the incident under review. Now they say they carnt do anything once play restarts.
10:57 "They know its offside , Darren's checked it"
Mike Deans confirmed what we all knew, they knew it was given as offside
They knew it was offside. The confusion was that they thought the ref had given the goal so they stated 'good decision'. It's like they weren't actually watching the game. Mad.
@@aaroningl It's not like they either weren't or clearly planned to cheat.
@aaroningl they knew it was wrongly called offside and they said perfect, so it's bullshat excuses don't make any sense
@@damienjoseph7540 They thought a Goal was given so they thought they were agreeing with it by saying "Check Complete".
NOT ONE OF THEM stated the obvious thing to change.
Once VAR has made their decision they say "IT'S A GOAL" or "IT'S OFFSIDE". THEN there is no confusion over the wording and the 2 comments are totally different,in this instance, we now know that VAR thought ot was a Goal so even if they were not paying attention and thought they were agreeing with the On-Field decision then THAT wording shows they did not agree with it.
Surely it should be so simple to say "check complete" - "its a goal"
The hilarious thing about this argument is that they watched the chelsea game there was an possible offside that ended in a goal, the game restarted then var and the ref stopped the game to check again! Paul merson must of felt so vindicated! Wish i was watching and hope to see what happened between them when this happened 😅
The Chelsea game was stopped for an offside check after the restart today! Who could have seen that coming? Oh, yeah, everyone!
Look, as a Liverpool fan I’m upset over the disallowed goal but, all we need now is clearer speech when making a decision. “Confirm that is a goal” was all that was needed by either the Ref or VAR
That is exactly what I was thinking when I was watching this - surprised they didn’t touch on it.
Their procedures and training are terrible, simply terrible. And the VAR booth is an accident waiting to happen. I would go further and say we have been getting accidents that are swept under the rug.
If it is such a strain to get a very simple and common call correctly executed, how well do you think the booth performs when there are multiple issues to analyze and it is genuinely hard? Now we know why it slipped their minds to looked at Pickford wiping out Virgil. Now we know why the Rodri handball at Everton slipped their minds. When the situation is non-easy, they are proverbial chickens with their heads cut off in the booth.
Yes, the fact that clear confirmation of the actual result of the VAR review (i.e. Player is onside, goal to Team X) is not part of the process is idiotic. Pure ineptitude by those that designed the VAR processes.
I think there should be an independent person to check the conclusions of the VAR, this way if VAR comes to a wrong conclusion, someone else can point it out.
You want a VAR for VAR?
Nah they should just play it on the big screens and have the refs audio going on so everyone knows what is being looked at and for what. Like the NFL whenever they call for flags or foul play.
Remove var it's dishonest
There WAS someone doing precisely that. Unfortunately they chose to ignore him. He's the 'Oli' they refer to.
"The law is that you cannot stop once its restarted"
The law is that if a player is onside, the goal isn't ruled out for offside.
What now?
What about challenges on cautioning after the game has finished. If a clear error has been made during the game how come red cards, bans be modified post match upon review? Where does this protocol fit in with the consistency in the game?
Many years ago, in the World Pool Championships, the Q ball hit 2 balls and the referee can not determine if the shot was good or bad by naked eye; Realising the importance of the call he had to make on who will progress on into the tournament, he went on to the TV monitors and asked the TV coverage team to look at the replays. I'm sure 20 years ago those weren't in the rules if he is allowed to look at the monitor to review. I salute that ref for having the presence of mind on what to do.
They did this on purpose
just like you ate those crayons on purpose
@@nickwoodward819embarrassing
@@nickwoodward819 lol
@@nickwoodward819😂
100%
Does anyone know what law Mike Dean is referring to about not being able to stop the game to award the right decision?
NOT ONE OF THEM stated the obvious thing to change.
Once VAR has made their decision they say "IT'S A GOAL" or "IT'S OFFSIDE". THEN there is no confusion over the wording and the 2 comments are totally different,in this instance, we now know that VAR thought ot was a Goal so even if they were not paying attention and thought they were agreeing with the On-Field decision then THAT wording shows they did not agree with it.
If play has stopped, for something like a throw in or a free kick, there’s no reason as to why they can’t delay it until a correction is made. They had recognised a *significant error* had been made but did _nothing_ because they initially failed to correct it.
Instead, they let it continue then chalk it up as a human error. Instead of punishing the *professional* referees that messed up so badly, they just send a “sorry bro” to the unfortunate club/clubs that are affected that week. Nonsense.
I would say it was the most significant error you could have in a football game, a legitimate goal not being counted even after they recognized the mistake.
I mean, there is - he's not wrong the laws of the game say you can't except in a case of mistaken identity or violent conduct. Sure, the rule is nonsense, but it's there. Doesn't stop the VARs telling the ref though.
No because after a legitimate goal it has to be a kick off (as in back to the center circle) I think which means a completely different phase of play which means getting rid of the one active. I think that's the problem and why that law is there in order to keep the game flowing. Granted it leaves the ref's vulnerable to makin gmistakes as we saw but that's the law. That's why I htink that rule is in there. It's because it's a goal a goal is always the final stage of a play you always go back to kick off when a goal has been scored. It's because the goal was disallowed initially because they thought he was offside that they allowed play to continue. It was onl yafte rthey gave permisson for play to be continued s i t did that they realised their error. Unfortunately by then it was too late to go back on it . Bu tuntil/unless the rules change to allow them to do that the onl yway atm t oprevent any mix up in the future is to clear up lines of communication. Which it sounds like the new procedures announced are designed to do.
@@nickwoodward819.
Law states you can’t undertake a review if play restarts. But they would not be starting a review but getting a decision to the ref correctly.
@@sjsharp2007 after the not-offside was confirmed, Spurs were given a free kick. They might as well have kicked off from the centre as it lead to the same thing: Spurs having possession.
Funnily in the Burnley v Chelsea game the game restarted before the VAR check had completed and the ref stopped the game. So either you can or can't stop the game to correct an error, which is it?
Ball moving when taking a free kick or free kick from wrong place, game stopped and free kick retaken. Corner taken and ref blows to then talk to a couple of players who are jostling, corner retaken.
Mike Dean is talking nonsense and just protecting other refs.
Mers going ballistic was magic. Dean was talking out of his arse. As a Liverpool fan I'm still pised
Mers- he only has to sit there and watch the game and make a decision 😂 soooo true! I don’t see how 99% of people saw it was onside yet trained officials can’t see it between themselves? More training for sure!!
the problem is that these refrees are too stubborn and have this aura of untouchability .
Mike 😂Dean is the actual root cause of VAR being introduced😁😆..
I have no problem with VAR being introduced, people are forgetting the past frustrations of seeing the ball go literal feet over the line or a player clearly being onside/offside on TV and the Ref/Linesmen missing it. The problem now is the fools operating VAR. Yorkshire Old Boys club who aren't fit to officiate League 2. We need new talent from abroad, the current crop of British refs are abysmal.
I've listened to a few of the VAR audio releases and what seems to be consistent is the unprofessional dialogue and communication between the officials, it always sounds like a rushed slap dash excitable conversation...like yeah 'that will do' and move on. They seem more intent on making quick decisions rather than the correct one.
The problem is that the ref on-field and both managers must AT LEAST be informed of such major mistakes immediately when the ball went out of play. Let them know the ref cannot do anything then, and let the managers decide whether to give a goal back to liverpool.
Is it against the “laws of football” for the refs to acknowledge a legitimate goal, but then not award it?
A referee before VAR could make a decision and then realise 5 minutes later that he may of made the wrong one. Doesn’t mean he can just go back and correct it.
@@Evasive1How would he know five minutes later that he made a mistake?
@@Rayunicorn1 bc as a referee you make instant decisions, and after a minute of reflection can make you realise you made the wrong decision.
@@Evasive1 this is an entirely different situation though
@@spherelance72 how is it? There was a communication error, they made a mistake and it’s too late to correct it.
No Excuses!! Stop trying to rationalise it just STOP!!!!!!!
So human beings are not allowed to make mistakes?
That's the problem of being a ref though you have to make lots of black and whi tedecvisions i na game full of grey areas. It's not as eas yas i tseems looking at it on a TV screen.
@@Evasive1what's the requirement of video asisstance then? let's go back to the days without VAR, whatever decisions on ground referees make will have to be accepted.
@@Arno_1664 okay so you want more errors and mistakes to be made?
@@Evasive1 on which ground you are providing logic?
u don't want anymore mistakes, but happy to accept the mistake already occured against liverpool? shows how much u hate liverpool.
You can't change the protocol as how would they 'fix' the results...
The guy is so passive aggressive I am surprised no player smacked him during those 20 odd years
He said that if the ref would have stopped the play they would have been out for the season.
So the refs Even after such a huge mistake will not correct it so that they can avoid the consequences.
Even after making this huge blunder they are concerned about the concequences for themselves more than about getting the decision right. Then how can you say integrity has not been compromised.
If a question was posed to Mike Dean asking “what is the fundamental responsibility of the referees to football?” I am sure it would be something along the lines of “to make sure the spirit of the game is upheld and the game is conducted in the correct manner”. The spirit of the game and the correct result is Diaz scored a goal. If the referees protocol in any shape of form denies it then they are the hurdle for the spirit of the game rather than the facilitator.
Could you imagine if it was a cup final or a league winner decider game. The uproar would be worse than it original was. Hopefully they change the rules for decisions as bad like this.
Mike Dean sat in that little Doctor Robotnik looking set up 😅
Thank you, Mr. Paul Merson.
Imagine if people were actually this passionate about issues that matter in the world...
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@@Isleofskye Dani Rojas over here
Sorry i missed how the error came about… i know VAR misunderstood for sone reason and thought the on-field call was onside and then they agreed. I’d love to understand how this came to be 🤔 did the ref ask var to check? Did var automatically intervene? Can someone please clarify?
I’d like to add, in rugby you have 1 tv-ref (call it a rugby VAR) and the communication from the ref (on field) to the tv-ref/var is broadcasted so you at home/in the stadium can hear what they say. Now in football, there are a room full of VAR officials and you dnt know what they communicate as its not broadcasted. So im not sure if the ref talks to one person of to the entire team…
At the Ladies WC the ref came on the PA system after each review and explained it. It added MAYBE 3-5 seconds to each one but it told people what was going on!!